Ebikes are getting heavier... but not the Urtopia Carbon Pro

[@trancetechkid]

Yeah I’d really like to see this trend with top end battery density, ultra lightweight frames etc. something you could actually get on top of a car roof rack easily.

[@g00fysmiley]

Battery density at this point is what it is. Batteries ate bot always super heavy though. You can get a 10 lb 15ah 48v battery that is removable. It's the bigger motors and engineering the frame for the power. Once we get solid state batteries, though weight will be saved there we are a few years away there.

[@djstonewood8653]

The sounds are a great feature for safety and coolness. One cricket for first. Two crickets for second gear. Three crickets for third level assist.

[@oplkfdhgk]

3:45 i think it's nice but i am hoping there is a way to change the stem and handlebar because if you can't do that then it could cause issues with bikefit.

[@Hoggdoc1946]

Phone sync features could be a real pain especially if internet connection is required.

[@unwillingful]

I have a bafang bbshd and a cyc x1 pro gen 4... I will have to say I prefer the torque sensing because it allows me to put it on a higher assist setting while still being able to pedal. The BBSHD really feels like a bulletproof motor but it's really hard to dial in a good assist setting that helps while pedaling. I end up just holding the throttle down the whole time with the BBSHD...

[@karlInSanDiego]

Thank you for checking out this bike. They promoted it with big dollars while fundraising for it.

[@kevinmccune9324]

send this crippled old man one to try kyle,i cant find anything light enough with a motor,I do appreciate your videos( keep up the good work,hope you are feeling better)

[@jeffmpvd7689]

I would absolutely never buy an eBike that needed a phone to turn it on. That's a HUGE failure point. What happens when they no longer update the app and it does not work with a new OS? It becomes a perfectly good throw away bike in a landfill.

[@georose33]

Another reason why I dislike the EggRider display

[@smpadda]

You can start it using the fingerprint reader button.

[@undesputedkg]

It doesnt require a phone

[@jeffmpvd7689]

@@smpadda but you need the app to setup the finger print reader, no?

[@urtopia]

Hi, this is Urtopia. You can definitely use your fingerprint and voice to lock or unlock the bike without using your phone.

[@NuclearEngineerDOE]

Another great review. Do you know who manufactures the motor? TIA BTW, I returned a cargo bike that weighed 82 lbs (!). My thought is they will only get lighter and better, and here we are.

[@LarryWickliffe]

Thank you Kyle, another great review. Does the display have a clock? Old bike speedometer always had a clock, most eBikes don't.

[@MumfordJim]

Mine has a clock, but it is not accurate because I do not leave the battery in all the time, I believe. If I set it at the beginning of a ride it would probably be accurate. Should do that.

[@RedSinter]

Hey Kyle, I assume they've solved the issue with Carbon cracking failure. With the exception of some of the phone tech stuff is questionable but it's the $.

[@djstonewood8653]

This is why I prefer cadence sensors because if you already have the E bike, why would you want to have to strain paddling if you don’t want to. In my opinion, they don’t even really need speed levels on a torque sensor because the torque sensor should determine the level of assist. With cadence sensor the settings one through three or one through five makes sense because you can choose to pedal at whatever speed you want to pedal at and then just adjust your overall speed with the assist level.

[@PatchezRagdolls]

I'm building a trailer for my ebike what I can boondock in

[@RagnarokLoW]

remove the chain and pedal it on the dyno?

[@StuBotNYC]

A review from a guy who didn't read the manual... I guess it shows it's mostly dummy proof (reviewer excluded); total eye roll and video full stop at 6:26

[@BlairAir]

Ebikes: Weight - up Load range - up Power - up Distance range - up Now Ebike Class with: Weight - Down Power - Up Range - Up (naturally) Materials - Up (Quality) Safety - Up (UL Listed) Cost - Up (naturally) This is good. The demand for more, and cheaper things does NOT create better goods.

[@davidhodgson977]

I would love one of those, but alas I can't afford it. Then again, what is the cost?.

[@X1GenKaneShiroX]

With all the accessories then the bike cost $3,294/€3,078/£2,607 and it would literally take a Burundian 5,999 days or 16 years 5 months 7 days to afford only one Urtopia Carbon 1 Pro electric bike.

[@E-Ryders]

This company sent us a used one when they launched two years ago when it had a Carbon Belt Drive. It was one that did it's round with a few other youtubers so when I got it was a bit banged up etc.....lol. Well, the wires that tucked into the frame were a little frayed from so many assembly's and dis-assembly's it didn't work for me so I told them and they said no worries, they will send me a return label and asked me to send it back and they will send out a New Model right after to keep and review. They never sent me another one after that and basically lied and ghosted me 🤦‍♂.......Live and learn. I assume they have improved on a lot of things, tweaking the odds and ends making it better than the pre-launch prototype model🤷‍♂

[@PatchezRagdolls]

Do you have any advice for me

[@karlInSanDiego]

I guess thinking that e-bikes are our future transportation, I'm excited that both lighter less powerful bikes are available along with very powerful car-replacement designed bikes. Maybe we need a few years using both (and measuring their emissions impact of manufacturing) to gravitate towards one or the other.

[@michaelhorton6166]

I'm happy with my Aventure Step Through.

[@Hoggdoc1946]

At nearly $2500 from an unknown company I would pass on this.

[@X1GenKaneShiroX]

With tax included and no additional accessories then the bike would cost $2,649 USD. I would get a way bigger bang for my bucks if I were to purchase an Eahora Romeo.

[@southernebiking]

This was the direction I was, hoping the industry would take. And a lot of pushback from people wanting to regulate. These bikes, comes from the fact that they are much heavier than regular bicycles. They have a good debate by using that. Hopefully more will take this lead. I am talking about the weight, not the other features.

[@FSK1138]

my first Ebke was 75 lbs you get better battery and more power for the same weight or less

[@GamersForTruth]

I would really like to get this bike. But for that price, it's such a weak motor. And I live in a very windy state, but I will say that it seems like it does help a little that this bike weighs less than most bikes. So I feel like a 500 watt motor would do fine, hopefully they eventually offer an upgrade option to get it with a 500 watt motor.

[@bergmanst]

Can you turn off the sound?

[@gusbranchesi5810]

yes

[@obnoxiouspriest]

I've never seen a direct to consumer Chinese e-bike follow the class 2 type e-bikes that all the big bicycle manufacturers produce. Strangely this one isn't much cheaper. Aesthetically it's got some charm for sure, and I do like some of the features like the built-in speaker and the interesting looking display. Although having it so slaved to your phone really does seem problematic as others have mentioned. Feels hard to justify that price with such a small motor and battery, and no throttle.

[@karlInSanDiego]

sounds are great, display looks really bad compared to LCD or better.

[@addertooth1]

Yes, if you want speed and range, light is not the answer. A small light battery has little range. A small light motor produces less power, and thus less speed and hill climbing ability. A lightweight composite frame cannot tolerate the power from a bigger motor. For those who have to carry their bikes up and down stairs, or onto busses and trains... then light is the goal. For those who want to seriously commute to work, and not be sweaty when they arrive, more power and range is the answer. They prefer a full suspension as well. The bike you are showing does not have front or rear suspension. I see the market as diverging. There are clearly two camps here.

[@Shadowmaster625]

I'm most interested in a 1000W, 2.8" tire, with a suspension that doesn't clank and clonk over bumps, and doesn't weigh a ton.

[@frederickjost9]

I just picked up the bike from Utopia for $2,444.67. Plus all the available accessories. $3800

[@undesputedkg]

Going over a hill without changing gears first makes it use more power and go slower

[@michealbackus4543]

Why would they mess with tacky sounds when a recording of a human saying the number of the gear or mode you just switched to would be much better?

[@melissasmess2773]

Needing a phone and the display is terrible.

[@karlInSanDiego]

please stop with the handheld camera motion. had to look away

[@ToadboyVlogs]

Cool the bikes light...but its a bad ebike. No suspension, looks like no throttle, a screen that doesn't look easily replaceable. The list goes on.

[@jamesvlambert]

All black clothing, on an all black mat, finish bike, on blacktop. Equals very low visibility! Be careful!

[@christophercegelski8]

It comes in different colors, including white

[@MumfordJim]

I like the idea of lighter, but I do not want to many bells & whistles. It is a bicycle. I do like the ability to make setting adjustments in an app. Things that I do all the time I want to do on the display. This may be a little too much stuff. Propella makes some lighter e-bikes, the 9S PRO V2 look interesting at 42lbs. Lighter, but not so many bells and whistles. The KISS version of a light E-bike (Keep It Simple Stupid). Good to see you looking at lighter E-bikes.

[@obnoxiouspriest]

Sounds like the kind of bike you want is what a lot of the major traditional bike manufacturers offer in their e-bike lineup. They're a lot more similar to this, with just enough motor and battery to do the job, and no throttle. They also tend to be a lot more expensive than the more powerful throttle equipped the chinese-made e-bikes that are everywhere. And without a throttle they can sell them without restriction anywhere in the world.

[@MumfordJim]

@@obnoxiouspriest The Propella 9S PRO V 2 is $1200, which is not high priced at all. You should look at it. Throttles are fine, I just personally never use one. I would a throttle if I needed it, most of my Ebikes have one. I just prefer lighter bikes because they are easier to put on my bike rack, lift up stairs and put on a repair stand. Many of the bells and whistles that the Carbon Pro had I didn’t feel I needed, just more to go wrong. Another example is Velotric. They make two similar bikes. The Velotric T1 with lots of bells and whistles. They make a simplified version the Velotric SL T1, both light weight. The simplified version T1 SL I would consider at $1099. The T1 I would stay way from $1799. “RUSS IS Right” has had major problems with the more complex T1 version.

[@christophercegelski8]

The Carbon 1 Pro weighs 33 lbs. His number must have included the saddle bags, or whatever else he had. So no, this bike is 11 lbs lighter

[@christophercegelski8]

​@@obnoxiouspriest9 lbs

[@Harry-lmao]

Frankly, I won't get me an ebike before the age of 70. The one mtb that I still use for my weekly rideouts is from 93 but in an absolutely great condition, same as me. I always keep asking myself if EVs are really worth the hype. Hawt debate. Of course technology improves over time but all the electrical parts and fundamentals on how this technology works is pretty ol skool, imo. There is just less that is convincing to me.

[@christophercegelski8]

This bike offers OTA updates, so maybe you could buy one while you can still ride!

[@You-sw7tm]

$2200 for a 750w ebike? That's a hard pass.

[@84imreplica]

There is no way in the world I'd ever considering buying this bike.

[@paulcoinc]

I wouldn't want any bike I had to use an app for. Past that I don't want to have to hear what its doing. I wear a full face helmet so that and traffic noise having to listen to what its doing is just not going to happen. Im sure someone loves all of this but it ain't me, it ain't Im not a silly bike one. 😊

[@christophercegelski8]

Again, you don't have to use the app. In fact, if you like preload your destination, leave your phone at home and the built in screen will give you turn by turn directions, time to destination, etc...also, if the bike is stolen you can track it down from the app, and the bike has OTA updates capability and so much more. Everyone has different needs. For me, I'm not doing much of reading other than dirt and gravel and not climbing 12ft mountains anymore. Max range of 80 miles and 25 mph is more than enough for me. And I prefer not having a throttle. I bought this to get a little exercise, not commute to work.

[@stevek4382]

Damn they can turn your ebike off just like a Tesla.you buy it but you don’t own it. They just want you access to your phone.

[@lukewalker1051]

That bike is a joke. Can't turn on the bike without an app? I built a 1700w 52v 20 amp-hr BBSHD mid drive Specialized Allez Road bike that will do 40 mph for less money. 45 lbs. Less weight and less money for still a high power bike? I could build it lighter with less expensive BBS02 1200 watt motor and smaller capacity 15 amp-hr battery but I like the power and range. Superior bicycle components and superior power. The BBSHD is eminently programable with Bafang configuration software for specific power level per setting. E-bike consumers are woefully ignorant and bike manufacturers taking advantage of their ignorance. Marketing of apps as being 'positive' when in actual fact, they are an egregious and needless encumbrance. Like needing a phone app to turn on your TV.

[@jeffcastle235]

It's got a fingerprint sensor - if it's anything like the carbon 1/1s then you can turn it on without the phone.. not sure why he was having issues

[@christophercegelski8]

You don't need the app or phone to turn it on Mr knowledgeable!

[@goldbearbunny4787]

Lol its different

[@rayrussell6258]

That bike looks really cheap. They save money even on paint, using one spray can of flat black on the whole thing? Might as well make a backyard lawn ornament out of it, to make flowers around it more colorful. Lighter bikes are DANGEROUS, the rider makes the balance top heavy and that can cause the bike to slide out from under you in a turn. Hasn't anyone paid any attention to all the pro road cyclists in the European classics this year, who've crashed and now nurse broken collarbones, ribs, clavicles, and sternums because they've removed so much weight to get more speed?

[@christophercegelski8]

The bike handles extremely well, even at high speeds around tight corners. In fact, a heavier ebikes ( most are 20 plus lbs heavier) going down a hill at a fast rate, into a tight corner, or having to avoid a sudden obstacle would be more dangerous simply based on the laws of Physics F=M*A and much easier to lose control. Especially if the road was wet and skinnier tires were used. Now the Carbon Fiber bike will have a little less flex to the frame, but by weighing a good bit less and having both front and rear large hydraulic brakes, the bike would be able to slow down and stop much sooner than a heavier bike without hydraulic brakes.

[@rayrussell6258]

@@christophercegelski8 your attempt to make a point is totally backward. Weight holds the bike to the road. Lightening the bike only increases straight-ahead speed. If your idea is so good, why are all the best cyclists in European pro racing nursing so many injuries, because the bikes slid out from under them in curves and in racing maneuvers? You can't answer truthfully, I'm certain. I love how internet "experts" try to sound knowledgeable by quoting some formula!!! Watch the races, see the crashes and the ambulances. That is more important than "formulas"!!!

[@johnwmendenhall9896]

@@rayrussell6258 Maybe it is because they are riding at BREAKNECK speeds in a race? I don't recall this being touted as a "speed racer" PS: unlike you I just ordered one and look forward to it suiting my needs @ 69 yrs old.

[@rayrussell6258]

@@johnwmendenhall9896 good luck, but you will learn that lighter bike means your tires are in less constant contact with the road. You likely aren't going to be going full speed around a hairpin turn, and you don't have to be, you might be running over uneven road surfaces that send you closer to gravel on the road edge than you intended, and that could cause you a tumble. I'm retired from an engineering career. I can point out the problem and consequences with weight reductions. Most people understand the point. Others have to experience the problem before they take anyone's advice. You sound like the latter. Again, good luck. I wish you no harm.