Flox farming and running out of food. | Ep 2 | ONI - Frosty - Ceres

[@rn8567]

"this colony is coming along pretty nicely" monologue Echo, oblivious to his duplicant getting stuck because of his food storage

[@sha46327]

I had to go back to look! 😂 Too good!

[@Baiswith]

also Echo: "who designed this colony?!" (on realising the duplicants get to the supercomputer via the bathroom)

[@texan8580]

Poor Nazgul... but hey, they have FULL access to the food.

[@commissar_dk420]

It's gonna be real interesting when an industrial sauna pops up in the ice planet.

[@Samuel_Morchin]

Make it an open-air sauna. Melt the whole planetoid into water and then slowly boil it into steam. Line the underside of Space with Steam Turbines and run the space program using Steam Rockets.

[@insomnia2411]

I am waiting for the play through that turns it all into a giant water planet. I tried the blasted ceres map in the lab and my first planet melted. Literally steam from the open magma reached the printing pod and my dupes fell to the bottom got scalded and started dying.

[@darkehartplays]

0.25 cm Insulation is the same as the base clothing a duplicant wears, so the snazzy suit doesn't provide any benefit over the default outfit. The warm coat adds 0.8 cm to the base 0.2 cm a dupe has from just their skin to total 1 cm, which AFAIK makes them completely immune to Frosty Surroundings. You can see the numbers in their properties tab when you mouse over Insulation Thickness. On the status tab if you mouse over Body Temperature the tooltip shows the results of the heat transfer between the dupe and their environment, which uses this insulation value amongst others such as the Thermal Conductivity shown in the Properties tab. You can also see the current Homeostasis rate here, and if you mouseover Calories you can see that there is a cost for that homeostasis, albeit a pretty neglible one.

[@salemprompthous3820]

And, afaik, this has not been changed with the Frosty update, it's been like this since homeostasis was first introduced. Warm Clothing giving 0.8cm is the only new addition to this, where when worn gives a perfect insulation aginst cold. Don't let your dupes wear warm clothes in a sauna, though. It has the opposite adverse effect (already lost two dupes myself 😊. Now, Only Freyja (for those interested, Frøya is the scandinavian spelling of the name, where the ø is pronounced as the "ea" in "early", from Norse mythology) and other Frost Immune dupes are allowed in there)

[@overlordkye]

I like the way the new content forces the player out of their old strategies and habits! It feels like the colony is so resource-poor, given how little it has in the way of minerals... until you start to think of snow and ice as more than just water states. As the base progresses, the real question will become whether you end up trying to preserve it in its cold state with the new plants and critters, or if you let it melt and ship in the resources to convert it. Heat will threaten everything in a way it simply hasn't before. It'll be interesting to see.

[@Nicke422]

If you build the entire Living Area with Wood Tiles decor will no longer be a problem

[@NatanStarke]

And they give run speed nice for early game

[@NatanStarke]

Eventually i would recommend switching to metal tiles made of copper or gold

[@zelthar]

Go find your CO2 geyser. Ceres always has one. Emits at -55 as well, so good for passive cooling. Easy plant food and keeping cool.

[@diegoflavio8193]

The dupe has traped himself at 23:15 🤣

[@SgtGoodenough]

Pei has access to food, isn’t bothered by the cold and the pee will freeze. She’s not trapped, she just lives there now

[@peterklarr7494]

Yes, "himself" and totally not the fault of the glorious overlord not placing ladders across the food pit

[@SgtGoodenough]

The overlord works in mysterious ways. We must keep faith and remember that dupe safety is the number one priority. Pei is safest there and ensures that the other dupes are fed. I personally want to thank her for her service to the colony.

[@Branwhin]

I love Klei's beasties. Floxen are adorable. I think my favourite critter from ONI is a Puft though. They're just so absurd they're hilarious.

[@sha46327]

New goodies, new _managed_ chaos! XD Fun stuff! Best of wishes to you and the fam!

[@dawsonemmett2837]

take a shot everytime echo says wood

[@Sspinal]

bro is not still with us

[@ded_still_alive]

Fucking dies

[@rhysdavey1037]

Poor Naz, just chilln' on the wrong side of the food storage.... least shes got plenty of O2 and food!

[@wittkopdotzgaming]

0:27 Who would be afraid of such a cute arctic fox with a nice fluffy tail? Echo: I wood! 😉

[@Spencerbane]

I don't foresee any possible problems with building out of snow tiles. I'm sure everything will be fine and no important rooms will melt.

[@christopherg2347]

I think you need doors that don't let gasses out. Insulation means nothing if the warm gasses can trivially escape.

[@MrKalidascopeEyes]

The wood heater acts like a park buff. Send them past to get their buff they dont need to be in the room but they do count for lighting so adding them near workstations with a motion sensor makes for easy warm lit workplaces.

[@khloeprower6087]

WOOD! Also I think your flox food math is off... I think it's 20% growth/cycle and the plants grow 33%/cycle so it ends up being 3 plants can feed 5 floxes.

[@EchoRidgeGaming]

Great catch.

[@seandavis1189]

a heads up for the next episode. Nazgul is stuck on the left side of the new food box pit. they were frantically pacing back and forth then decided to get food eat and pass out. a ladder will fix this problem super easy.

[@AnotherJRB]

Considering that dealing with plumbing water at freezing temperatures is a giant PITA, might it have made sense to arrange things the other way around; have your early heat sources near your living spaces, so that your future bathrooms and such can be non-freezy, and have your farms and ranches at a safe remove so they stay cold?

[@salemprompthous3820]

Biggest difference between tiles and wood tiles: innate decor bonus of wood tiles is +15 across 3 tiles, where regular tiles have an innate decor of +5 across one single tile. No material that can be put into a regular tile comes close to what the wood gives in terms of decor (granite gives a +20% bonus, but still only across one tile reach) Tiles added to the Supply Closet down the line would make sense, wood tiles colored black/grey: there was a mishap with a grill here, so now it's a storage area 🤣

[@xaviermcaleer3428]

I started a collony last night and one of my dupes died because he got stuck in a loop between going to bed and trying to warm up. Since being cold gives a -5 to athletics he was slow and couldnt get to the warmer or his bed. He eventual starved and it was to late to save him. I had another dupe bring the food to him but he died as soon as he reached it. Also there is no material to make a tombstone, so he is just out in the open.

[@thereallegitimatemontblanc]

this planet pack brought me back to oni, my strat once I found a forest biome was to just outright move into it, and it worked pretty well

[@fuzzypumpkin7743]

That's what I did. Set up a double liquid lock to keep the rest of the plantetoid cold and my dupes are living in the warm forest biome, working in the cold for most of their farming and ranching. Found a polluted water vent waaaaaay up at the top of the map and built a vertical insulated chute for it to come down to the living quarters so it could feed the electrolyzers.

[@uncleben255]

I feel like im being dumb but how are 2 pikeapple bushes enough for a full flox ranch? I dont really get how to do math for stuff like this in oni but i came to the conclusion that you needed 5 bushes for 8 flox's, sorry if this seems like a stupid question

[@MrVallant]

Nah man, you're not stupid. Your math is sound. I guess he'll figure out he messed up by the next episode.

[@LightPhoenix7000]

You're right, I caught it too. He forgot to account for how much the plants grow per cycle.

[@aw6142]

^this. He'll figure it out, sooner or later lol

[@mazyllendya]

Hopefully he sees this comment lol

[@EchoRidgeGaming]

Your math is sound. My brain skipped over the growth rate of the plant.

[@megankelly3154]

Such a speedy colony update and just in time for my dinner! Thanks Echo!

[@KOMPIBUTUT]

i would suggest to place the woodheater inside your laboratory so they still get the well lit buff

[@AnotherJRB]

I think the light from the heater is too dim to give "well lit".

[@KOMPIBUTUT]

@@AnotherJRB ic ic

[@squid_cake]

I think what unnerves me about floxes are their narrow alien-looking eyes. If they had bigger cuter eyes, I wouldn't feel put off by them

[@petthequeenofmaddness8592]

ya, there style doesn't match with everything else like they are from a different game or something

[@UncleKennybobs]

I haven't checked if it's fixed but there's a PITA bug where the automated loader won't load wood into the burner.

[@EthanQix]

The new ration box location ended up trapping a dupe in the farm ;)

[@PMAvers]

You know, I never really messed around with it... but how it always seems like there's a rust biome near the start on the Frosty planets, I wonder how setting up a Rust Deoxidizer as a oxygen back-up might work? Chlorine might be a annoying byproduct, but Saltvines *do* grow in pretty decently cold environments.

[@darkehartplays]

They work quite well! I went with an infinite storage for my chlorine until I got and set up the Dasha Saltvine box. If you've ever built an electrolyzer set-up, the process is quite similar. It's just that Chlorine will sink instead of rise like Hydrogen. The big nuisance is that you want conveyor rails instead of pipes.

[@MagicFoe88]

Just a little bit of information. Every playthrough, I notice you giving commands to dig up plants. It is much faster for a beginner dupe to dig the tile underneath, saving vital time at the start 😊

[@zecorezecron]

When you finally get the requesite technologies, you should vacuum out the base except for where atmosphere is needed to transfer heat. That will help preserve the chill where it needs to be cold and alow your dupes to be warmer.

[@sarahsleamanova2072]

Me worrying about having too much CO2 while you worrying about not having enough lol.

[@ForeverLostInOz]

Thank you for another great video! Enjoying this colony so far :)

[@EchoRidgeGaming]

Thank you :)

[@BouncingTribbles]

Just wanted to point out that the wood tiles, snow tiles, and regular tiles are separated because of appearance. They just look different.

[@ferencerdelyi7135]

I think the wooden tile is seperated because you can research it. And if you research something u get new buildable things.

[@KaedysKor]

It's also got a much much higher base decor, +15 in a 3 tile radius, vs. +5 in a 1 tile radius for the normal tile. The game doesn't permit materials to modify the decor radius, and only permits the decor value to be modified via multipliers, so wood would have to have a +200% decor modifier to reach +15, and that would make it way too good in other usages. Basically, same reason plastic tiles and window tiles are separate buildings.

[@geoffreyhebel2438]

Took me awhile but they have an oxilite sconce decor item that they put oxilite in

[@oran0663]

I think snow tiles are gonna be great for early on in the colony(first 1-200 cycles) but once temperature starts becoming a problem they seem pretty likely to be the source of quite a few problems if they melt, especially since it seems that for most colonies on this planet you will want to hover around -10 to 10 degrees. Just something to keep an eye out for later on but I do definitely like them so far on my current playthrough

[@cactus.goblin]

How long until we have a CO2 problem instead of an oxygen one 👀👀👀 great update!!

[@ekimmak]

Bammoths and Seals are basically your go-to for meat if you aim for Carnivore. Just a few seal drops will allow you to make enough of the new meat product to get by with less Bammoths. Mind you, I don't think the seals are fun to ranch. Better to evolve elderly wild ones.

[@VShuricK]

seals dont drop meat, they drop tallow. Bammoth req ridiculous amount of food (4 domesticated plums) and live for 200 cycles. Yep, they drop huge amount of meat, but its only 2100kcal bbq per cycle.

[@ekimmak]

@@VShuricK Right, I don't know the name of the seal drop, but it's not meat. What it IS, however, is able to mixed with meat to provide a meal superior to BBQ.

[@VShuricK]

@@ekimmak pemmican worse then BBQ or Berry Sludge

[@KaedysKor]

@@VShuricK wat. BBQ is a 25% calorie gain over meat. It takes 3200 kcals of meat to make 4000 kcals of BBQ. Pemmican is a 62.5% gain (2600:1600). Yes, it's only +2 quality instead of +3, but in terms of _caloric efficiency,_ ie final food calories per raw input calories, Pemmican is wildly better than BBQ. And Berry Sludge doesn't help if you're aiming for Carnivore, in addition to being rather more difficult to farm. Oh, and if Carnivore isn't an issue, you can farm Plume Squash instead. Combine squash with tallow from the seals and you get a 35% calorie gain and a +3 meal quality. Plume Squash are 444.44 kcals per cycle, so 600/cycle if made into fries, meaning you need 3 plants per 5 dupes. And the Seals provide more than enough ethanol to feed the squash, too, each seal produces enough for 2.67 squash (and each Bonbon produces enough nector for 2 seals, so 2 bonbons = 6 seals = 16 squash. And then your Bammoths gives you all the phosphorite you need for the Pikeapples for your Flox farms, as well as huge amounts of clay for ceramic production, which means you've got food, wood, dirt, and ceramic all squared away from that setup (plus possibly some bonus nectar, which is an _excellent_ coolant, and makes great liquid locks, especially cold-temp ones with ethanol, _and_ gives you a source for plastic).

[@dominicksolerix2703]

How much wood would a Woodburner burn if a woodburner would burn wood?

[@flowergurl1009]

Im gonna make suggestion for the pips, i put them in my bedrooms to keep them alive better, if theyre wild youll never need to worry about them starving if you do that, then put them with my bathrooms once i did that setup

[@Rich4098]

Tough game. If you want to keep all these animals and plants, you'll have to preserve a cold place somewhere because you know it's all gonna heat up.

[@L0rks]

Thank you :)

[@commonsense-og1gz]

you could make one of those runaway ranch systems, where you just have a small stable, but you leave the door open. this way the flox get groomed, and can roam outside where there is no cramping issues. you can have enormous numbers of them.

[@Nutshell40]

Echo look at the research button when you research!

[@andregon4366]

11:50 JUSTICE FOR OXYFERNS!!!!!

[@PaddyTheGamerPop]

NIGHMARE FUEL

[@strike0885]

Dupe got trapped to the left of the printing pod after making a sterile location for the ration box..

[@bobbyorr9488]

Looking forward to seeing more

[@anibarukyouran1145]

My objective for this frozen planetoid was making it a regular planetoid and erase all the natural cold XD

[@Davini994]

Poor Pei :(

[@Stryka191]

How much wood could a wood flox flox if i wood flox could flox wood!

[@mirawind9126]

So the flox reminds me of bambex from Yonder. So cute but if you pet them they had this full on demonic giggle

[@Tiffani-M]

Echo, your wood burner system will work IF you are using enough power. I think it would be better if you used a gas element senser near the alveo vera plants rather than the smart battery since you need the co2 in order to breathe.

[@EchoRidgeGaming]

Great idea. This is in the works for the permanent setup in the future.

[@nikolay9001]

I am wondering if petroleum generator is better as it can consume ethanol as well and produce CO2, Ethanol can be produced by wood. Seems it is more efficient.

[@Tiffani-M]

@@EchoRidgeGaming this isnt originally my idea. I was having the same issue with my colony and got this type of answer from the discord. :)

[@KaedysKor]

The tiles are separated because the _base decor_ is different. Each tile has a base decor value, which materials then _modify,_ multiplicatively. Regular tiles provide +5 decor in a 1 tile radius, which is then modified by the building material (so granite, which is +20%, makes it +6 decor in a 1 tile radius). Wood tiles are +15 decor in a 3 tile radius, which makes them _substantially_ better for decor than regular tiles. The game doesn't currently allow materials to provide fixed decor _offsets,_ just multipliers, and those multipliers apply to everything. It also doesn't allow materials to modify decor _radius_ with the material effects. So the benefits of the wood tile would not be possible if it were simply a material on the regular tile.

[@sulpherstaer]

I think the snow & wood tiles are separated so people can get used to the new material. If it were just behind normal tiles, would you have noticed the snow right away?

[@Lightman0359]

They made wood tiles a separate object for playtest and balance reasons. in a normal colony with the DLC on, you have to research your way to them, they are in home luxuries, with comfy beds and plastic tiles. Like with all the other Tier 1 and 2 tiles [Snow Tiles and Basic tiles being Tier-0] and they had to make them a different object in the code. Just as normal tiles/pipes and insulated/radiant tiles/pipes of the same materials behave differently because of extra coding, potentially getting the buffs twice, actual programmers who know the ONI code can fill in the details. I am not a game coder, but I have made programs in quick basic, program moving lights for concerts, and DM for many different TTRPGS. My roommate is also working on a game in unity, so I understand the concepts, just not the actual code.

[@prome3us550]

Waiting for you to realize you've exiled a dupe with the pikeapple bushes... that 2 wide food-hole needs a ladder lid or she's gonna get pretty lonely out there. Luckily seems like a cold resistant dupe. Looks like it's shaping up well!

[@ZacharyChristy-Aronson-wg5ki]

Yeah!

[@Melancholy_Chill]

Freyia looks like glam rock star

[@knudbrandt771]

I would guess for the wood tile and snow is for the DLC and not on the base game

[@fishboyliam]

Separating out snow tiles makes sense to me; snow melts much earlier than any other material you might use for tiles, so being able to see at a glance which of them will melt at standard temperatures is important. As for the wood tiles being seperate, I agree it might be simpler to allow base tiles to use wood, but I think they wanted to make it require research; and I'm guessing they can't put "Build x tile out of y material" on the research tree due to technical limitations. Or I could be wrong. I ain't a game dev.

[@TheSpitfire88888]

Cool

[@samueltrusik3251]

FREEZE!

[@TheGalifrey]

My Frosty planet has a forest biome full of trees, aluminium and pips, just saying....

[@snackjunkie9367]

How much wood would a wood burner burn if a wood burner would burn wood?

[@MrTomasNavarro]

Isn't the wood tile separate because it's visually different?

[@DamiontheSpawn]

IT'S ALVEO VERA!!! NO ALOE VERA AHHHHH.

[@nazgu1]

:))

[@Avirampolan3505]

22:31 Sooo have you have forgot that the 2 spaces that you opened for the food will not let your dups to hop over? I think next episode will start with a "made a mess" massage 😁 She has oxygen and food for now......

[@purpleposeidon]

A group of floxes is called a flock, not a herd.

[@MeatsOfEvil]

How's that flox vs pikeapple math working? I read the entry as each flox eats 20% of of plant per day. The plant's gotta grow though, so if a plant took 5 days to grow (i.e. it generated 20% of its size per day) then one plant would feed one flox, no?

[@bahrisean9116]

Freshing up this colony? Is it not fresh enough Echo?

[@ScrewyGirl]

Hiya. I'm not sure if you are playing this blind or not, so I will just say... you really need to check how much meat the Bammoth drops. And please... do it on the video. I'd love to see the reaction.

[@jamesvance1367]

It was actually more before the nerf.

[@ScrewyGirl]

@@jamesvance1367 Wow! Did not know that!

[@Avirampolan3505]

Sooo have you have forgot that the 2 spaces that you opened for the food will not let your dups to hop over? I think next episode will start with a "made a mess" massage 😁

[@willonapop6184]

Hay why not use some of that snow for a floor instead of the ladders?? you got to save resources where you can!

[@jamesrhodes3763]

Your plants per flox math assumes they grow 100% in one cycle.

[@binomialhydra1615]

My wife hates when I watch your videos because I am shouting at the TV "save the trapped dupe!!" In other news, you have a trapped dupe at your Apple farm because you didn't put ladders over the ration box...

[@DreamyDuskywing]

Please build a door over your bew ration box. Save your builder (I think) dupe!

[@limeboat]

The playlist is in reversed order.

[@games-wz7sz]

Why have plastic, or carpet tiles look different? The answer is: Klei wanted to give more art and variety. I'm sure someone at Klei would have every tile and building look different depending on the material. But it isn't feasible.

[@madcio]

What is feasible is making subset of tiles different depending on material. There is even cosmetic mod about that.

[@ethanblack5642]

I comment to help statistics

[@scisher3294]

PLACE YOUR BETS! : How many episodes UNTIL Echo pronounces the name of Alveo-Vera properly? I’ll go with “correct by the 3rd episode.”🤭

[@aw6142]

Nah, I see it going the way of ox-a-gent. Gonna be a thing.

[@EchoRidgeGaming]

haha. I decided the real name was a tongue twister already, so I’m just owning it.

[@scisher3294]

@@EchoRidgeGaming LOL! Fair enough 😋

[@Misterscout]

This dlc been licking my ass. I get ip to 8 dupes but my plan out is too taxing, job wise and I cant get anywhere.

[@melorbode]

Is bob Ross your uncle?

[@OneOfDisease]

You wasting a lot of effort worrying about heat. Those planets have so much cold in them that you really have to work at heating them up. I have open metal volcanoes just dumping metal into a pool of mercury, and every thing is still frozen solid.

[@HyperVegitoDBZ]

even in the vanilla game if you piped a liquid through the pipes to warm smth up but not in the box of isolated tiles but in an open space, the amount of time that needs to ass is so absurd it's not worth the effort. Same with for instance pumping oxygen into the colony at a particular temperature, it's effect on the surrounding is minuscule.

[@ZyraZain8243]

Not aloe vera, aLVEo vera. Aloe is a real plant. Alveo is the game's oxylite maker

[@littlebois1813]

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