It's Just Got A Lot Worse For Man City! Could These 130 Charges Could Be The End...?

[@NowegianRich]

City should also be charged for employing Michael Oliver

[@johnbyrne9019]

ha ha 🤣🤣🤣

[@viksinha5410]

We need him for the derby on Sunday

[@NICKYVTEC]

He needs investigating for sure!

[@jackreacher8858]

AMONG OTHERS

[@davidwong7208]

Yeah Loh mate 😮👍🏻

[@goatfather5711]

Remember U.E.F.A found them guilty but that case was time barred. Basically City delayed the process.

[@streaky81]

Doesn't apply. There's no time bar, and they don't have recourse to CAS. Man City here have a contract law issue. If they did what they're accused of and the league is interpreting the rules correctly and what they did correctly, they can't wriggle out of it.

[@watkins8256]

City changed the time bar, Eufa let them off and city chose the people who voted for the outcome.

[@ryanparry1965]

😂😂😂😂 none of that is true ​@@watkins8256

[@michaeldoig9881]

I’d recommend that you all read the CAS written judgment. It’s freely available and is very informative. You probably won’t like it.

[@goatfather5711]

@@michaeldoig9881 Not talking about the CAS judgement, Talking about the ban and City's lack of cooperation, and delaying the process.

[@philipbidwell7753]

Why did they do everything to delay the court hearing if they had irrefutable proof that their innocent of the charges

[@Gecmajster123456]

guilty asF, bigger fraud is their Coach, Pepe

[@jcwong4995]

that's how court cases work. I rmb amber heard was guilty for one already but the case must continue, it must be finished and conclude how many in total then can 'measure' how much the cost would be.

[@tyronevaldez-kruger5313]

They did the Trump to delay the damning evidence. Too bad there is no presidential football immunity

[@snaggiz]

Perhaps to make the PL look even weaker. Logically they’d wanna get this over with as soon as possible but here’s also an opportunity to hold the PL in complete contempt and embarrass them further. Again, the PL have to be ruthless in this case because if they don’t, they don’t look like they can competently self regulate their own league, in which guys outside regulation will be forced to take place instead which neither the PL nor the Pl clubs want.

[@brianshockledge3241]

and if the red cartel...sorry premier league had all this evidence why as it taken over a decade and counting.

[@kalevi7821]

I'd rather City leave the league. Kicked out, whatever.

[@StephenButlerOne]

It's really the only punishment that will be felt by the club. If they say get dropped to the first decision, they have enough talent tied to the club to tied them over two seasons to get back to the prem. They need to be bushed back to a point they can't just bounce straight back into the prem. I'd want them to be 5 game years from the prem. They would start struggling by year 3.

[@Azabaxe80]

@@StephenButlerOne A while back I thought that an appropriate punishment would be to relegate Manchester City to the Championship, but also bar them from participating in the transfer market to bring any player _into_ their club (including players from other clubs in the City Football Group) for three years. Players can obviously leave, and the club can use the revenue from those sales however they see fit except to purchase replacement players from other clubs. They can keep the honors won during that period. Those things really belong to the supporters, who should not be punished for the owners' sins. What this option would do is force the club to survive on the merits of existing club players from the first team all the way down to the academy.

[@StephenButlerOne]

@Azabaxe80 I have no issue in keeping honours, as they don't mean anything to any other fanbase now. But even if stripped, you can't take the memories of the journey and the triumph from the fans or players of city.

[@sambog2635]

​​@@Azabaxe80so they would go down for 1 year and then straight back up, even if some players did leave. hardly a just punishment!

[@Azabaxe80]

@@sambog2635 Let's say that they pull a Juventus and manage to convince all their players to stay in the club as they're relegated, they might come straight back up, but if they're barred from the transfer window, they won't be anywhere near as competitive. Think about it, the natural heir to Rodrigo Hernández is Martín Zubimendi. If Citeh is banned from transferring players in, Zubimendi is headed to either Barça, Madrid, or Arsenal if he wants to leave Spain. Against the aggressive defending of the Championship week in and week out, players like Phil Foden will lose their edge, and controllers like Bernardo Silva will be looking at sunny Spain or Italy for an out. The point is neutralizing the club, and cutting them off from the marketplace of players is how you do it.

[@BriarLeaf00]

All 50 City fans are very upset about these charges 😂😂😂

[@LdevArt]

they average 53,249 home crowd you blurt

[@AlvenmodFoto]

⁠yeah, and 53199 of them will be supporting Liverpool in January

[@bushbaptists]

50 have you ever seen one they are like red squirrels, I’ve met one in 48 years

[@Lee-b5h9r]

There are 51 City fans. And two are in Oasis.

[@bushbaptists]

@@LdevArttourists lots of tourists

[@davidellis2021]

Pep holding up 6 fingers. Lance Armstrong did the same.

[@dreswan1]

Ouch!

[@PaulAngeloff]

Seven

[@Lazy21Ethiopian]

Maybe he was saying 1 and 5... As in 15 more charges

[@PaulAngeloff]

@ good one 😂

[@jtnawroc4]

I thought he was holding up 6 for LFCs champions leagues.

[@fruityjohn68]

Rangers and Juventus got properly punished,let's hope the Premier league has the balls to do the same.

[@adithyalfc]

Those were different cases.. But yeah an example has to be set.. PL has to take strict action

[@BriarLeaf00]

@adithyalfc if they don't the UK government will appoint an independent regulator for football, the Premier Leagues worst nightmare.

[@learntooilpaint]

No chance city are getting anything but a £200m bribe, I mean fine

[@jonathanrennie1379]

will never happen they will just get a fine and that’s it

[@simonburling3762]

It may require the F.A. to act, as they are the only organisation that can expel Manchester City from football.

[@thenazarite2444]

Get them out of the prem, the whole football league pyramid, the fa cup, the league cup and Europe, for 10 years. EVERY competition is tainted!

[@joetookmyvideo]

England should be kicked out of fifa permanently, everywhere you go there is problems,how's that?

[@thenazarite2444]

@joetookmyvideo who else would have to be kicked out of fifa?

[@davidcoleman757]

Fantastic analysis as always, Alice. It's ironic that one of the best football channels on KZbin is run by a fan of our biggest rivals. Respect.

[@readyseteddie]

nothing against her personally but she literally just compiled all information already out there and put it into a video. if you really wanted to know all this you could have by reading the information out there, props to her for putting it into a single video for easy digest, credit to the people who have been reporting on the City charges.

[@shealey9763]

@@readyseteddie Yes, she did. She also did it very well and better than many mainstream media outlets. Everybody watching the video is aware of that. Nothing against YOU personally but there was probably no need at all for your comment.

[@carlmcconville8271]

@@readyseteddieyou’re right but she did what most of us couldn’t be bothered to do because she knows what her fans want. A lot of this I didn’t know but thanks to Alice I do now.

[@readyseteddie]

@@carlmcconville8271 nothing wrong with taking information and putting it together in an easily digestible way, I agree!

[@liamjohnson4221]

Think all rival fans can unite in hoping City are found guilty

[@BAyernaKED]

City makes for great competition would be a shame to lose pep from the league

[@JoacimNieminen-e6t]

Absolutely!

[@xiao966]

​@BAyernaKED he's not leaving football yet and who cares u rather have a cheating team still in the league?

[@matthewjamison]

​@BAyernaKED It's not a fair competition if they've cheated. Liverpool will be owed 2 titles & Utd a title too.

[@reggienaidoo6514]

If all things were equal , Klopp achieved more than Pep .

[@JonathanRodriguez-cl8gq]

I want to continue seeing Halaand getting humbled.

[@lioninwinter9316]

Refusing to turn over documents to a court results in an automatic contempt charge. The league should certainly include that in the charges and merit punishment.

[@markyNUFC80]

If it was a criminal case......which it isn't

[@johntaylor3592]

They didnt refuse to hand over documents to a court. The problem was they wouldn't hand over documents to the Prem but clubs are not obliged to help a Body incriminate them. Its up to the prem to prove guilt not the club to prove innocence and this happens in all business and criminal prosecutions

[@andrewness]

Obstruction of the investigation, including but not limited to failing to hand over docs, is part of the charges under consideration.

[@neilturner6749]

@@johntaylor3592Nope, it’s not the same as facing criminal charges, where you’ve no obligation to provide damning evidence upon yourself. EPL is a sporting association that’s bringing charges of breaches of its own house-rules, meaning the onus is just as much on the accused member to prove their innocence or face expulsion from that association.

[@nekonyansensei]

They are being charged for it. It's part of the 130 charges

[@lukecannon8710]

The three man panel to decide either they’re guilty will be pep guardiola , David coote and erling haaland if city pay enough

[@thezanzibarbarian5729]

You forgot to have Cheaty115's leading light in your list of the three man panel. *Michael* _"City pay me £20k per game to referee in the Middle East so I'll never send off a City player"_ *Oliver.* 🤔😲 😅🤣😂

[@Kaj0699]

😂😂😂😂

[@Liverbird-zp7yg]

I really hope you are right, but I have no confidence in the U.K. government and their “relationship” with Abu Dhabi Royal Family and specifically Sheikh Mansour. There will be deals done behind the scenes - too much money is at stake for both sides. I’d love to be wrong about this though.

[@nhd6128]

💯 ... the UK sold their soul to foreign billionaires years ago. If there is 1 thing we can all count on.. its that there is someone behind the scenes pulling the strings to bail City out.

[@BVking509]

You are talking a lot of shit here

[@ismathem]

I agree with you. Way too much money for England here.

[@gustavbrinkel5489]

@@BVking509 Why are they? Please elaborate.

[@KhaliqueThomas]

According to the leaks of the case. City are thoroughly cooked. They’ve pleaded guilty on a lot the charges so they are gonna get punished for sure. As for how hard is another story. The group that owns city have already been quietly looking for another franchise (US based) to take over, because they know the city project is about to be blown up…

[@gdogmalone]

What’s the difference between people from Dubai and people from Abu Dhabi? The people from Dubai don’t like The Flintstones and the people from Abu Dhabi do.

[@annunaki8274]

lloll™🤣

[@thezanzibarbarian5729]

_Really...!?_ 🤔😲 😅🤣😂 👍

[@andrewness]

Wilmaaaaa

[@sampreece]

Abu Dhabi Doooo

[@peterslinger3795]

About an hours drive

[@ianmccartney1974]

How ! When Everton got deducted between 8-10 points I’m not quite sure which for 1 charge ?

[@JoacimNieminen-e6t]

exactly so!

[@danhodson7187]

Exactly, if it were like for like 8 points per charge * 130 would be 1,040 point deduction 🤣 Better still, just spread 1,040 over the 16 seasons since this all started, so 65 points per season for 16 years. Fair's fair!

[@0LLy796]

An 80 point deduction is probably as bad as it can get. The max points a club can get in a 38 game season is 114. If city started the season by winning every game and kept winning every game, the max they would get is 34 points. Most teams don't survive the prem with 34 points

[@jackreacher8858]

@@danhodson7187 I LOVE THAT

[@learntooilpaint]

Because money and military contracts. 25 point, £200m fine and big handshakes.

[@opindras.bangerh129]

Thank you for covering this corruption. As a Liverpool fan, I have more respect for Man U than City, at least Man U have been honest with their finances and have a credible football history. YNWA ❤

[@trot52]

United is worth hating. City is only worth scorning

[@peterslinger3795]

Like the Covid millions they were given?

[@carlmcconville8271]

As a Liverpool fan I’d never have a sentence with Utd and respect in the same sentence but that’s just me.

[@AlvenmodFoto]

If they only get 80 points they get away pretty easy, consider what Nottingham and Everton got last season for much less

[@kovacdavid]

Since football has become a huge inflated business, it's even more important to do justice in all cases of legal and regulation breaches. As Chelsea fan, I also am a bit worried, truth be told. But no club should just be pardoned without appropriate punishment if they behaved wrongly.

[@mouseinthehouse_]

Why? Chelsea are in no danger.

[@ComradeOgilvy1984]

Chelsea seems to have hired better accountants and lawyers recently, to bend the rules while adhering to the letter. I am shaking my head at how they used 8 year contracts to spread out the accounting hit of the transfer fee. Gotta both love it and hate it, tbh.

[@Phgray58]

Thanks so much for all your insights and comments over 2024. As a frustrated Newcastle fan it’s nice to have a window into the working zone and strategies of the other teams all the best and merry Christmas from Canada.🇨🇦 Phil from Canada

[@ECILAFootball]

Thank you

[@dhruvbhatt4178]

I want all titles stripped and given to the runners up. Man utd should get 3 league titles, an FA cup and a community shield. Liverpool should get 3 league titles, 1 league cup, 1 community shield. Arsenal should get 2 league titles. Inter should get their UCL title, Watford should get their FA cup, Tottenham should get their league cup etc.

[@SlimJeezy27]

I agree but unfortunately it doesn’t work like that in sports. When Lance Armstrong was found guilty of doping, no one got the first played medal. When Juventus were cheating, it didn’t go to the second place team, just nobody got it

[@frank-caroltrott6131]

As a supporter, a retrospective title is of no significance, if anything just void those seasons. Telling a team that they won a league 8 years ago is a bit pointless. Obviously the players who lost medals may feel differently.

[@dlads79]

I'll take that. But you know what will happen, someone is about to get very very rich... End of story, most corrupt league in the world.

[@GKwan111]

It happened in the NRL in Australia to the Melbourne Storm. Look it up.

[@alanwhitby367]

We got more than 90 points twice and got beat by the cheats. But getting given titles years later isn't right and the fuck gives a shit about the Charity Shield ?

[@daleblanchard1768]

Referring to the Athletic story talking of "between 70 and 80 points" as a potential punishment: If City are found guilty of all 130 breaches, then a 70-80 point deduction is the weakest punishment imaginable, surely. 130 charges, I mean c'mon - 130 charges, yes 130! The absolute minimum could be 2 points per charge (considering recent history with other clubs), however, City's blatant disregard for the rules should surely compound the punishment to something absolutely extraordinary i.e. something befitting of City's extraordinary actions.

[@robertallen6380]

Relegated to League Two or lower and removal of all titles won during the offending period. That's the only punishment that will deter future offenders.

[@sampreece]

And ruin the leagues below, too?

[@nigl2807]

@@sampreece Not if they have transfer bans applied and PSR in the competition they get dropped to apply to them.

[@Golbridgeburner]

Haaland humbled in league 2 ahahahaha city will get so bantered in league 2 they are finished

[@LiamBeanComedy]

@@sampreeceI reckon league 2 would be quite happy with the extra eyes and ticket sales having world class players turn u at their stadiums

[@nozyparker]

@Golbridgeburner if that happened City would have too sell sell sell or loan players out too the Prem because of the huge wage bill city currently has.

[@freespeech-advocate]

they should be striped of any trophy's won and given an extra year exile from the premiership as punishment for bringing the game into disrepute. disgusting corruption from man cheaty

[@NoelG-IRE]

If City are stripped of titles, they absolutely need to make the club who finished second champions and compensate them accordingly. They were robbed of it and absolutely deserve to be recognised as rightful champions. If PL don’t do this, I hope the clubs go after city for the money.

[@Maax1200]

Its already begun with some clubs filing for lawsuits against City for that reason.

[@Maax1200]

If City where to be found guilty the club will effectively seize to exist.

[@NoelG-IRE]

@ be carnage really. I can’t see them pulling the plug that quick but at the same time, if they did get relegated, pep would run along with most of the team. Be hard to see them getting back up without breaking fpl again.

[@ComradeOgilvy1984]

Each position up the table earns the club 3M. So a 20 point deduction means there are ~5 clubs that were each denied 3M. 15M in direct losses. With a much bigger deduction more teams can make that claim. The team that was on the cusp and got relegated has an argument for 50M as they were kicked down to the Championship. The CL money is pretty complicated, because there are add on bonuses for the previous 5 years of results in European football. Liverpool has a claim for 50M at a minimum. But those add ons could easily add 10M-20M to their argument. Again, there are a number of teams that were on the cusp of CL/EL football. Over an entire decade, the total claims against Man City could easily exceed 500M in financial damages, by the various clubs. If they lose those court battles and their owners are shy about paying out, MCFC could literally disappear under that kind of financial pressure. (Most likely, someone buys the bankrupt club, but that is speculative.)

[@enzoluciano3490]

On behalf of the true league winners of the past 2 previous seasons the Gooners would like to thank you 😂

[@danielca3]

Just for not disclosing their books, they should face a big penalty if they face no charges whatsoever the game is finished

[@gedsoft3793]

In Australian rugby league, the all-conquering Melbourne Storm were stripped of 2 titles and 3 minor premierships for breaching salary cap rules. It can happen. Just needs a fair dinkum sports association that wants to keep it clean and fair. And the Australian NRL is no great shining example.

[@neilcreamer8207]

I think brutal honesty and fair play are big values for Australian Rugby League. I'm not so confident about the EPL.

[@Maax1200]

About the same happens to Juventus.

[@joelthomson8697]

Happened in Italy as well. Also Rangers got dropped down to the fourth tier in Scotland for much less serious charges. PL need to set a precedent here or they'll lose the final shreds of credibility they still have.

[@rotty66]

80 point deduction the therefore relegation would be getting off light, thats a 1 year punishment, it needs to be something that lasts for several years

[@TheEverSoTalented]

THIS is the REAL reason for the bad form of City and Pep starting to act insane,wow!

[@abigailirvine3414]

Take allthe trophies and titles that will hurt them more

[@chrisvda88]

lol it’s gonna be the 6 years of premier league dark ages where no one won.

[@cinematictrailerstudios]

Good! Everton got points deducted immediately these lot need to be punished

[@StephenButlerOne]

Because Everton owned up and pleaded guilty.

[@MarkWalmsley]

How do they get players so cheap? Everyone knew Haaland was going to be quality and they paid 50m for him?! That transaction needs to to investigated for one!

[@kevalino2]

Could they also be investigated by HMRC over criminal fraud? This will be of major concern for the CEO and directors as they are legally responsible.

[@streaky81]

Not the HMRC's job, you're thinking of City of London police who have the relevant expertise around this sort of thing.

[@kevalino2]

@@streaky81 thanks for the clarification. I’m thinking specifically about tax implications regarding the hidden payments but your reply still makes sense 👍🏻

[@markjones127]

You had me at 80 point deduction! 🤣 This reminds me of the Mitchell and Webb sketch 'Are We The Baddies?' I think Pep and the squad have had their heads buried in the sand for so long that now the current string of bad form has been caused by the dawning realisation that they were a cheating bunch of corrupt feckers the whole time!

[@AlbertGono]

The chickens are coming home to roost...it was pretty obvious to the neutral fan that city were benefiting from shady deals .now that all is in the open the players are demotivated.

[@Anonymously_Innocuous]

Don't just kick City out of the EPL, kick them out of league football.

[@LeeLMcG-or5uc]

Discrimination. Are Man City seriously trying to play victim here

[@Amberle38]

Here's hoping! Have to wonder if they've had some heads up behind the scenes to expect a guilty verdict at the very least & if that's playing into them being so out of sorts in recent games.

[@markbridgewater4918]

Weird how city owners invested 2.5 billion into one of vila's owners business fund and then villa side with city in that last vote...

[@ynwa73]

No matter what the business you cant falsify accounts. They did this for over 10 years .The pl would not bring this case forward unless they had proof. Relegation to the championship is no where near harsh enough. They have wrecked the integrity of the league. Not only have they stolen great memories for fans of rival clubs they have also screwed over their own fans .They should be just as angry as rivals but 99% of them are in denial

[@snaggiz]

They’ll probably get away with a slap on the wrist or nothing at all. Maybe they’ll pay someone off, seems that always works out for them. Crazy to think the PL didn’t hesitate when it’s Everton or Nottingham, but when it’s City? “Rules for thee..”

[@NoYouHandleIt.]

Alice your research is absolutely Brilliant.. Keep doing what you’re doing!!. *You’re Better than half the* *sports journalists* & *You’re Better than most* *useless pundits!*

[@damagehurdle]

I hope city doesn’t get away with this. But I just have this terrible feeling they’ll find a loophole or will be found not guilty. If they get any punishment I think it will be a fine and maybe a 1-2 window transfer ban.

[@BrendaSimmons-v9p]

If they are found not guilty then they are not guilty! Just wait and see what happens.

[@melv5816]

@@BrendaSimmons-v9p That's not necessarily true. It just means they had lawyers that found loopholes.

[@pieterwessel3733]

Thanks Alice. This is superb info.

[@doughooper9918]

That is probably why City have not rejuvenated the team this year by signing lots of new players. They probably have calculated they would probably lose and get relegated so now they will have to rebuild from a lower division. No wonder they are struggling so much this year. And with pep he will probably get fired and will get paid out for the last two years as a bonus.

[@ComradeOgilvy1984]

Possibly true. Down at Championship or League 1 with limited revenues, Man City would be under another immediate FFP crisis and would be forced to sell a large number of high salary players. MC might be forced to offer payouts to the players to cancel the contracts, and thus much of the implicit transfer fee value of some of those players would be lost. This could add up to hundreds of millions of implied assets in terms of players put in jeopardy. It seemed to me like Guardiola wisely started his rebuild two years ago, but it looked like that effort halted. Losing Alvarez while still relying KdB, Gundogan, Silva, Walker does not add up to a proper rebuild. The individual roster decisions can be explained, yet we can all see the roster did not progress as much as expected.

[@Tibor860]

Mate they haven't rejuvenated for years except for Haaland and Gvardiol

[@ComradeOgilvy1984]

@@Tibor860 I think we agree that they have not really rejuvenated -- that is the problem MC faces today, and the underlying cause of their drop in form. I was just given the impression that they were going to, having sold a few players that made an important contribution previously (Sterling, Jesus, Zinchenko), and having brought on Alvarez, Doku, Haaland.

[@Tibor860]

@ComradeOgilvy1984 The slow decline was coming last season everyone forgets that City were not great out of the UCL and FA Cup loss barely won the league thanks to Spurs not wanting Arsenal to win the title City rebuild was 2 yrs too late

[@thepatriot6966]

They should also have all silverware taken back and given to the runner up of all competitions too.

[@Fleshox19-uz3qt]

So Liverpool coming second with 99 points was because City cheated? No wonder Klopp left the club. How can any team compete with that? This is bad, real bad.

[@sambarker9762]

That never happened

[@superadders19]

do you mean 97 points in 2018/19? 2019/20 they got 99 pts and won the league. 2021/22 they got 92pts and finished 1pt behind city

[@Fleshox19-uz3qt]

@@superadders19 Yes, I may be inaccurate with my memory but what I'm trying to highlight is that Liverpool's football was top notch then, but we still couldn't overtake City. Just look at how close these two teams were in terms of performances and points. I remember one season that Liverpool lead the league since the beginning and STILL ended losing it to City at season's end. Is that why city always had the money to buy any player they want, whereas Liverpool ALWAYS told Klopp no because this or that player is too expensive so look for an alternative?

[@manumental86]

Let's be honest here, they're gonna get away with it. There's bound to be a few back handers dealt out to ensure that.

[@joelthomson8697]

Having a look at planet Earth in 2024 and I'm fully expecting City to get away with this entirely.

[@iec0]

city should be stripped of titles...a transfer ban and relegation...

[@Dan-mm1yl]

Think the team and management have already got wind of what is going to happen with the ffp which is why they have fallen off a cliff

[@johnobrien5341]

Who knows what will happen with city. The fact that this goes back 16 years. If they had taken their punishment early on, they could have still had the pep years but untarnished. Oh ps your becoming a great reporter. Keep up the good work 😊

[@The-Saxon]

Couldn't happen to a more deserving bunch of cheats.

[@dalelewis69]

All City”s trophies since 2008 should go to runners up. They cheated to get all those titles. They have acted in such bad faith they should go to the Vauxhall conference

[@QazwerDave]

Only 3 people to decide. Few to buy or pressure ...

[@DataCymru1701]

You are a really great source of football talk, keep it up Alice you're fab!

[@Roamany-Jones]

Only 3 people making a judgement on at least 130 cases. Are you kidding! Er, I think we all know what the outcome is going to be then. The Saudis won't have ANY problem bribing just three judges. Celebrate if you're a City supporter 🎉🎉

[@kloppsippingvarsenaltears2789]

1 season in the championship would be disgraceful. They need to be relegated to non-league and have to organically make their way back up and their titles should be stripped.

[@mikefoley360]

Inter Miami and not LA Galaxy club world cup - House of saud world cup - PGMOL - Man City - Football is rotten to the core. It's so f**king bent.

[@jamierennie817]

Cooked and am here for it.

[@markkelly9621]

It would help if the Premier League and UEFA had rules that clubs obstructing or delaying investigations into alleged cheating by refusing to hand over documents would be disinvited to take part in their competitions.

[@shanefoy3720]

As a Liverpool fan for 35 years, I will more angry if there charged and found guilty then I will if they are innocent, as city have cost 2 or 3 premier leagues and klopp should at least won three not one, now that makes me angry, considering we were playing youth academy players at times in our seasons they just bought bought bought, just like chelsea are all over again, but we hardy spend fck all yet we fight at the top most seasons, and I'm even angry how they screwed newcastle but not city not chelsea, totally bullshit 🤨😐😒🙄🙄😬

[@frank-caroltrott6131]

Sorry but I do not really agree, the majority of these issues were before Pep joined, pre 2019. Not sure how Jürgen would view a retrospective victory. I would void these years.

[@shanefoy3720]

@frank-caroltrott6131 I never said I wanted us to get them titles, I don't think they have been tarnished, just like the league

[@douglasshedd6119]

SO: NBA model. Tiered luxury tax system of the soft cap. Every tier of spending you go over, you are giving larger amount in tax to a pool that gets distributed to all the other teams. When you get into higher levels, you would be giving 4 dollars to the league for every dollar you spend. You then naturally get either to a point where the gain is mooted by the cost, or the pool of money to your rivals gets high enough that it wasn’t worth spending for advantage.

[@phatmeow7764]

selected 25/26 City's fixtures City vs Utd .... Maidenhead United City vs Pool ... Hartlepool City vs Forest ... Forest Green Rovers

[@jarednicholson1042]

They need to be stripped of their titles if found guilty.

[@oIBBEo]

There should be a law that when you have major charges, that team should be expelled from all competition until the charges are settled in court.

[@free..to..air..]

Liverpool should be awarded at least 2 premiership titles if Man City are found to have broken the rules...Make this the punishment...removal of titles and cup winners medals

[@joco-ik4nx]

The punishment should be similar to Rangers otherwise every team with billionaire ownership will be at the top of the premiership

[@MrMudassaranwar]

A brown envelope will be delivered before the judgement, guaranteed!

[@CornwallGhosts]

this is the real sports news channel Alice puts so much energy into everything

[@conorryan4089]

Very interesting video, very comprehensive

[@kumarreaturaj9873]

Sister, if Man City and Man Utd leave the Premier League, no one will give a damn

[@jackreacher8858]

I WOULD ! MU FAN SINCE THE DINOSAURS

[@liquidh5226]

Most famous three words in Man City history: “Stay humble eh” 😂

[@oneTrueSoul1]

Man city deserve massive deductions and trophies and titles taken back , the amount of legal cases from other clubs could seriously keep Mancheaty out of money for a long time

[@jumpferjoy1st]

Good video and interesting it is now 130 rather than 115. There are two issues that you didn't touch on and is not discussed on social media, that could be significant. 1) If these charges are proven, there is every chance of falsified accounts. That could instigate formal charges against the clubs directors. If systemic, apart from a sizeable fine, these directors, including the owner could be banned from holding a senior position in any organisation within the UK. 2) What has come out is that the UEFA leadership have alleged they have been personally threatened by City representatives. If this is true, more criminal charges. The EPL are in a tight spot. If they just slap City on the wrist, Parliament WILL move to introduce the independent oversight body. This is something the EPL obviously does not want. In addition there is absolutely a resolve that if City get away with just a fine, all bets are off. All clubs will accept the rules can be disregarded and the EPL will be officially broken. So the EPL will have to be firm.

[@streaky81]

The refusal to cooperate charge is serious business, it's bigger than the fact that if proven they basically cheated. That's the thing that could get them fully booted out of the league over devastating points deletions. The other problem they have is a bunch of the near the top clubs are all going to sue them if they're found guilty of any of it, which could be pretty devastating in it's own right. The thing that I think will happen is the City of London police will get involved over potential criminal accounting fraud - they're unlikely to do that until the EPL has done their thing and published their determination, because they'll need it to get warrants.

[@jtnawroc4]

❤ FYI, I really enjoy your posts. Great Job. Fast delivery. Fast uploads. Great points. Great analitics. Great technical insights. I appreciate it. Can tell you have been a lifelong fan of the sport. Lfc fan here. Nice work. Keep on feeding us forward. ❤

[@geronimo9595]

thanks for doing the research and presenting it to us in an organized and coherent manner. I'd prefer it if the city owners were forced into a sale and the club removed from their possession. This would be better than a points reduction/relegation/explusion scenario. It's not the club's/fan's fault the owners are corrupt

[@TJay96]

One season in the championship might not be enough depending on what they are guilty of

[@sambarker9762]

If they're not found guilty of anything,you can only assume corruption is at play

[@Am-Techy]

The big signing of Robinho from nowhere was a big hint to me a long time ago

[@sampreece]

Could be so, but if they’re let off with a slap on the wrist there will be massive repercussions for the EPL and its reputation.

[@Mie-t7u]

no ffp that time

[@patrickcondron7919]

Looking forward to your analysis of Liverpool later

[@fearnuke4640]

The problem is its taken so long to get to a point where city may get punished, even if they are relegated they will come up in 1 season no problem. They will have gave there academy loads of mins and get promoted. At that point they are clean from charges, have loads of academy players to sell and there club still is in a much better state than if they didnt cheat. It will basically just be 1 year off at best. Hopfully they get a 2 year transfer ban to then atleast they cant just buy a new squad straight away.

[@Maax1200]

They will NEVER be clean of cheating. City are done.

[@tropicalpalmtree]

Kick them out the football league. Make them work their way back from the conference.

[@Zeke_91C]

The STAY HUMBLE curse will mean that city will be found guilty !! 😂😂

[@MarkRyan-u3u]

At one time, Lance Armstrong was like a god among cyclists because of his victories. Now he has been stripped of all of his seven Tour de France wins, and he is currently subject to a lifetime ban from all official cycling events. There are straws in the wind.

[@DudeSilad]

I've had countless arguments with Citeh fans and I'm amazed out how blasé they are about this. They don't seem to grasp the severity of it. Or are in complete denial. They also don't seem to know what they're being charged for. Of course, most of us are expecting them to get off with a slap on the wrist. In reality, they should be kicked out of the league altogether like Rangers were. But I'll take relegation to the championship because they will never be same force again. They won't be able to splash the cash and it will take ages to build a team and they are the main guilty party for pushing up transfers so they're reaping what they have sown.

[@Bolkiebasher]

Very professional. I love the way you always show the sources, it is so important. Well done!

[@dalebrennan7615]

They won the uefa case

[@MarkRyan-u3u]

Well researched. That cleared up a lot of confusion.

[@petertaylor3446]

Well i have to say it has taken long enough..lets see what happens and what restitution will be given to teams that lost potential millions because of this bs

[@LFC-Raven]

Every video Alice does is thoughtful and well said. One of the top channels, Period.

[@sigurdurmarolafsson4183]

I hope that the FA will make an example in this case. That is the only way forward. But then there's going to be YEARS of appeals etc so nothing will be concrete right away.

[@user-zu6qn9ux9n]

The FA will do sweet fa

[@dalebrennan7615]

Your wrong about chelsea

[@kevinmyers5534]

If city are found guilty then surely the owners will forced to give up/sell the club, as a guilty verdict would mean the owners are NOT Fit & Proper

[@curtiss9983]

This video has more clarity than Skysports. Well done! 🙌🏼

[@DavidWilliams-qs6lz]

Alice, you have been great this year. Thank you so much for your great unbiased content.

[@blackchameleon1760]

I think they should be kicked out of the football league and have to work their way back from there and have a transfer ban on players as well

[@markyNUFC80]

Love the Pod Alice, but you cannot possibly think PSR was brought in to improve sustainability

[@liverpool_fc_tv]

Why do you think that? The rules state that clubs cannot spend more than what their earnimgs are capable of.

[@markyNUFC80]

@liverpool_fc_tv that is not the only metric for sustainability

[@liverpool_fc_tv]

@markyNUFC80 So what is the metric of sustainability then?

[@markyNUFC80]

@liverpool_fc_tv debt has to be taken into account with any sustainability model, as in with any other business model. That's only one additional metric, but I'm sure you could come up with more. That is, if sustainability is the actual concern.

[@stanpadley375]

At least I know what it is all about now many thanks Alice ❤

[@craigwright1867]

Great video Alice, very informative, thanks for all your hard work here. PS: let's hope it goes really badly for City.

[@johnbyrne9019]

Again, great work Alice!