"Eckhart Tolle Is WRONG!" - Jordan Peterson on 'The Power of Now'

[@karlgrano2664]

JP’s answer started with…”I don’t know enough about him to answer in depth”… this became abundantly clear with everything he said following that!

[@littlewarcovers]

exactly

[@RogerioLupoArteCientifica]

Yes, he just puts Eckhart Tolle in the “package” of the “humanists movement” of the 60’s and then goes on talking nonsense about humanists, just saying “they’re wrong”, just as a dogma, without ever explaining what exactly is wrong. “They’re wrong because I’m saying”, that’s the subliminal message. But the humanists he refers to have nothing to do with Tolle’s message. He obviously doesn’t even know sh about Tolle’s work, so better keep silent in this case (or any other😂).

[@michaelchase5304]

I was gonna comment the same thing 🎉

[@jonnyharris7]

I think he was referring to him personally. He hit the nail on the head with his description and I didn't hear anything he said to be incorrect. In fact he made a great point about the effect literature can have on you relative to your own current understanding. Seems alot of Ekart Tolle fan boys/girls getting defensive about nothing.

[@michaelchase5304]

@@jonnyharris7 it's funny. I don't even use Tolle in any of my mentality. No one seems to know exactly what Tolle teaches. To say someone is straight up wrong isn't fessing up to the fact that everyone is a little right.

[@MegaBunnyrabbits]

The degree to which JP needs Eckharts teaching is unfathomable.

[@carecree888]

1000%

[@karlgrano2664]

@@MegaBunnyrabbits 😂🤣I agree

[@ThePianoenergy]

You nailed it!

[@dionoliveira4058]

Aha!

[@rahulparikh6183]

This is like the best example of the ego thinking too much and not even being able to understand the present

[@holgerschafer4583]

Bravo!!! True!!!

[@matthewsdonnelly]

You can tell when the head looks like it's going to Pop

[@djenkins555]

To be fair, Elkhart Tolle is a charlatan.

[@NilsFrederking]

All the psychic problems that Peterson has would disappear, if he understood Eckhart Tolle. Peterson has a sharp mind, Tolle has a very clear and powerful mind but it serves only as a tool to explain spiritual phenomena.

[@djenkins555]

@@NilsFrederking Tolle and Peterson are both frauds.

[@powerandpresence5290]

I like Jordan Peterson. But he is out of his depth here. The intellect cannot grasp presence, because it is not about intellectual abstraction. You have to stop and allow the mind to become silent. You can’t think your way to an awareness of this. This is one of the major shortcomings in Peterson’s teachings. He is disconnected from the body and the psyche, despite the fact he has a decent understanding of Jung - but that understanding is garnered from the intellect, not so much direct experience.

[@vuyoludidi9851]

So true. This is evident in this clip

[@danj9339]

@@powerandpresence5290 Absolutely agree with all of this

[@uhhdudeuhhwhatsup]

@@powerandpresence5290 what a perfect description. Jung went way farther into the human psyche than Jordan has. It seems Jordan can only tolerate what his ego will allow him to before he starts tearing others’ theories to shreds due to his own limited understanding of them, which he seems to misinterpret actually as a greater understanding.

[@sgrhwl2706]

People like JP just do intellectual masturbation...Talking , preaching but still remain miserable and spread misery mostly

[@ethan46199]

I'm pretty sure Jordan understands that there are transcendent truths that cannot be expressed verbally... Pretty sure that's most of what he tries to point to, especially in his talks with atheists

[@stephansiebert_insidemusic]

Jordan has absolutely no idea of what Tolle is talking about. he should not be so selfrightous.

[@geoffreylevens9045]

I just found this and thank you. You saved me typing that.

[@dominiknewfolder2196]

As a man who went through a full awakening experience I can tell you, JP doesn't have any idea what he's talking about. JP is a missionary of "upgrading" yourself which is absolutely opposite to awakening, just being here and now.

[@andrewhamilton2480]

@@dominiknewfolder2196anyone can just claim anything nowadays huh 🤣

[@dominiknewfolder2196]

@@andrewhamilton2480 yep, that's true. Awakening is not some science-fiction or religious superpower. It's about healing your attachment system.

[@Anton_Sh.]

@@dominiknewfolder2196 or its about what one likes to thinks it is about. :)

[@eftiolalacka8041]

The power of now’ is everything that Jordan has to understand.

[@vonkachez]

Exactly 😊😂

[@rollwithtoby]

Yeah and whats wrong with practicing presence....

[@gaulishrealist]

@@rollwithtoby Eckhart Toll tells people to silence their mind completely, which is not possible. L. Ron Gardner is a superior spiritual teacher by several leagues.

[@rollwithtoby]

@@gaulishrealist I guess you haven't practice meditation

[@Atl6host]

@@gaulishrealist Eckhart Tolle does not teach to silence the mind completely, only to stop identifying yourself as the activity the mind produces. And that when you do this, you can allow the present moment to predominate over the ceaseless mental chatter and not literally but effectively "silence the mind."

[@CSK84]

Jordan Peterson is unfortunately incorrect in this instance. Eckhart Tolle's teachings are deeply rooted in Christian mysticism, Zen, Dzogchen, and the contemplative traditions generally. Tolle is not a humanist, if anything he's a mystic.

[@elafal377]

In Sufi Islam as well!

[@kyrareneeLOA]

Agree. Spiritual mystic. The simple distilled point being, for me: ... be fully present with all things, yourself included, in this racing life, nothing is more powerful than slowing down to be fully present. My favorite part.

[@HeWhoHath]

Toll is a lip smacking peddler of pseudo philosophy.

[@georgesonm1774]

@@HeWhoHath but that isn't meant to be a 'philosophy', it's literally a guidebook for internal transformation

[@Soulfulboy1111]

@@HeWhoHath Most philosophers are miserable: Nietzsche, Bukowski, Kierkegaard,... I don't think Tolle wanted to be one of them.

[@dudeabideth4428]

Tolle is not about self actualization . But about self transcendence Why don’t JP say that I haven’t read the book instead of rambling

[@ysf-d9i]

you guys realize he literally did say that at the start, right?

@@ysf-d9i And that is where he should have stopped. Why keep talking when he admitted he didn't know enough to comment.

[@Vaspinators-i2r]

Transcendace only works till it doesnt, or when youre old and you can more easily givi in to transcendence because have lost hope. Or when physically ill. Just my thoughts atm

[@neuemilch8318]

@@Vaspinators-i2r it is not, it is a path that you can take at any time. A door that opens when you make friends with your demons instead of fighting. The peace you find in the chaos when you realize that you are neither your thoughts nor your feelings, the river and not the raft. Your personality a construct, concepts and morals just shadows on the wall. When you realize and integrate all this instead of hiding your insights behind walls and living in ignorance. When you overcome your fears. When you accept the chaos and the apparent meaninglessness of the world and decide to live anyway, to really live instead of surviving, then that itself is transcendence. At least my definition, I would hope that you find your own and that you don't deny yourself to grow beyond yourself.

[@Vaspinators-i2r]

@@neuemilch8318 I meant a little different but I get what youre saying. I meant more that you want what you want and if it doesnt happen youre agitated and pissed. Ofcourse, I dont hide my insights from those few I talk to if they are asked or that topic is in the air. Something like that.

[@BenedictC-sb6de]

I’m not even 30 seconds in and it’s already a complete misinterpretation of Eckhart Tolle… lol.

[@cjmllvv]

This is a bad one for Jordan

[@splinx1819]

Either way, as much as he tries to help the world or if he's just speaking just to make money, his philosophy, along with every philosophy in existence, is just thoughts. Philosophies lead people astray if they believe they're going to improve their life. The true way to improving one's quality of life is through improving physical health. Physical health is the foundation of mental health and wellbeing. Love is a greater factor that raises one's vibration, if one looks to achieve a vibration of enlightenment.

[@kingdomcitizenship5613]

He actually never said why he believes humanist are fundamentally wrong. He just called it weak and said it can't withstand ideological assault.

[@TikuVsTaku]

@@splinx1819 It’s important to take good care of your physical health, no doubt about that, but it’s even more important to realize, that you are not your body, your true nature is something else than the body, and clinging to the idea that “I am this body” can be very harmful. ✌️

[@splinx1819]

@@TikuVsTaku If you're looking to attain universal consciousness, or become less identified with your body, it comes not from thinking a certain way. You must be a certain way. Practice chastity, yoga, breath-work, meditate everyday. These activities will optimize the quality of energy within you, and will thus expand your level of consciousness. The identification with the physical body is a natural, neutral experience by the way. Your sense of unease doesn't derive from identification with the body, it stems from your need to improve your health, physically and spiritually.

[@Warrioress111]

You just have to look at both men. JP looks angry and in pain, Tolle’s face shows an aura of inner peace and wonder. I know where to go

[@liatresanos3769]

JP cannot stop thinking, and looks just like you said, a bit frustrated, is incorrect in many things and is married. Tolle looks more in peace but so in peace that is kind of not my type of man. So, my answer to which one would I choose would be, I go neither way. Altough I listen to everybody and if something is useful I take it in.

[@Tameron-xv8yn]

Jordan Peterson is angry and in pain, and at this point in life, I don't think he'll ever get better. The doctor who can't heal himself.

[@mcc208]

Yeah ❤

[@NU94]

Power of now was the first book that awakened me. I came home on drugs basically in psychosis, way too young to even know the road I was on, and I had the fortune of coming across my brother in that state. He immediately turned on Eckhart Tolle. I'll never forget hearing that bell for the first time. It was the very first time my mind was still and he pulled me into the deepest presence I'd ever experienced at the time. I had no idea whatsoever what was happening then, but I spent days walking around in complete bliss KNOWING I had found something incredible although I couldn't for the life of me THINK 😂 what it was. That slowly saved and transformed my life. I went back to sleep and had many awakenings since then. I believe life is fighting the dream until you accept you have everything you truly want inside, because you do.

[@souljourney3482]

Oh wow. Absolutely surreal description of your experience. I could sit in meditation right away 🙏🧘🏽‍♂️🙏

[@mkor7]

That's beautiful! I had an analogous experience with discovering Alan Watts back in 1972 at the age of 19. Eckharrt Tolle helped me with some reawaking back in the early 2000s.

[@stephwalsh9158]

I do not want what I haven't got By Sinead O'Connor But Sometimes... especially now that I'm older (tho not yet always wise😅 .. but with full heart I hear and understand the words as an older person who's tried alot Amazing Grace 🙏 How sweet the sound! That saved a wretch like me I once was lost, but now I'm found Was blind but now I see I thank you dear Lord 🙏 🙏 💗

[@Edheron10]

I had a similar experience but it took me 6months to complete the book. The few days that followed were absolute complete bliss no matter what was going on around me. Surrender is not weakness.

[@JamieWatkins-ic8ld]

At least Tolle knows when to be quiet ....

[@doreentrees6000]

Nailed it!

[@dankelly7712]

Why can’t he just say he knows nothing about Eckhart Tolle, instead of pretending Eckhart is “part of that humanist tradition blah blah blah.” I always find it shocking that higher level thinking psychologists and philosophers know nothing about non duality.

[@ysf-d9i]

he literally did that at the beginning, I don't understand why you people miss this.

[@mechadonia]

@@ysf-d9i”I don’t know anything about him except he’s a humanist and humanists are wrong” ok but he’s not a humanist so you know nothing about his writing. Hes just miscategorizing the work and then dismissing it to look cool and well read. Theres no shame in admitting youre unfamiliar with certain ideas.

[@JayS.-mm3qr]

​@@ysf-d9ihe went as far as to say, "in the final analysis", and then suggest Tolle is wrong. There is no excuse for suggesting he did some final analysis, after saying he doesn't know much about Tolle. Despite not knowing much, he presumes to know about the work, and presume it is some 60's movement.

[@ysf-d9i]

@@JayS.-mm3qr ok he's wrong. And? It's like you're never mistaken about something.

[@JayS.-mm3qr]

@@ysf-d9i lol yes he is wrong. You suggested he wasn't. So how about instead of trying to turn it back on me, or whoever points it out, just admit he was wrong and so were you.

[@francovers22]

The Power of Now is the most important book I read in my life.

[@TheMLMGold]

Then you should read his double sequel, The Power Of Next Year.

[@1Jason]

Same

[@93alepb]

Same

[@rampuratictok1809]

Stillness speaks,

[@karolisz815]

This is very sad to hear.

[@Globalcuriositytv]

Jordan is so arrogant and wrong in the same time. Eckhart changed my life. Power of now change a lot of people’s life

[@thecrow4597]

What does tolle helping you in your subjective opinion have to do with his worldview being ultimately true or not?

[@endofscene]

@@thecrow4597 Peterson doesn't even understand Tolle's worldview. Although Tolle's teachings are universal, they align more with Dharmic and Esoteric spiritual traditions than with humanism or any secular philosophy

[@thecrow4597]

@@endofscene How do you know he doesn't understand it if they didn't speak of any of the content of the worldview in this clip? He might be referring to something specific when he says humanism not saying that is the totality of Tolle's belief alignment.

[@endofscene]

@@thecrow4597 because he’s so far off base. He obviously hasn’t read or understood Tolle’s work

[@ethan46199]

Lots of things change lots of people's lives. Drugs change people's lives, too. Doesn't mean it's for the better. And power can be one of the most addictive drugs. Seek after God; seek after Truth. Don't seek after power.

[@littlebitbetter7]

Humanity is like a thirsty man in the desert; Eckhart’s teachings are the cool, crystal-clear water. I hope you don't listen to this guy and taste that ''water'' yourself.

[@fullcircleaudio]

Tolle is Zen, far predating humanist 60’s movement

[@paxnorth7304]

Well, and Christian Mysticism.

[@TheCerebralOne]

@@paxnorth7304 yea hes Christian mysticism much more than he is zen.

[@VSM101]

@@TheCerebralOne not really Zen is superior to chrstanity and inferior to Advita and Vishya advita

[@VSM101]

@@paxnorth7304 Chrsitan Mysticm is kinda inferior to Vedanta

[@TheCerebralOne]

@@VSM101 you probably @'d the wrong person. im not talking about what worldview is superior.

[@jazzvec]

Over the years we have explored not only the brilliance of Jordan's mind, but also its limitations, blind spots and biases. I have come to the realisation that, as many of us, Jordan is driven primarily not by his curiosity, but by his own limited worldview and the need to spread it in the world. His popularity has given him the necessary impetus in this messianic endeavour. He now genuinely thinks he has something important to say to us about almost anything. We have created a monster, my friends.

[@bryanhuseboe539]

Very well put and I share that view.

[@MissMissile505]

With enough time ,the cult of personality always seem to turn ugly in one way or the other, doesn't it ?

[@jmseipp]

Jordan Peterson is totally in his head and has no idea what he’s talking about here. Why would anyone care what he thinks anyway? He often embarrasses himself.

[@1Jason]

And he is a drug addict.

[@neirinjoseph6817]

@@1Jason For various reasons (namely one being that I've spent years in the field of psychopharmacology) I often feel compelled to clear up the "drug addict" narrative. Peterson had a drug dependence, which is different to an addiction (i.e. He wasn't abusing benzodiazepines, he was taking them as prescribed, but had issues coming off because his brain acclimatised to the drug.) You can look it up if you don't believe me. There is a difference between drug addiction and dependence. If you say "you don't know what you're talking about," or accuse me of blindly defending Peterson, you will be wrong like most people I say this to are.

[@neirinjoseph6817]

@@1Jason In fact, I'll also go one step further by saying the "drug addiction" narrative is harmful to people victimised by drug dependence. Many people take psychiatric drugs as prescribed but end up with some kind of injury, to write this off as "just addiction" doesn't see the whole picture. Peterson is actually one of many victims of this kind of thing (again, I am not blindly defending him, this is all factual.)

[@christinedavison7604]

Jordon has too much ego to understand Eckharts book The Power Of Now. It's the most incredible book that I have read.

[@Floor7586]

I completely agree!!

[@erior9662]

How so?

[@mkprocter882]

@@erior9662 Read it. The book is a life changer

[@colombianspanish]

Eckart is so far Beyond Peterson logical thought and understanding

[@samdevries4799]

So true

[@jeanannedupratt7075]

By decades of light years, yes.

[@theHermit9]

I’m glad most of the commenters here see through Jordan’s arrogance ... I’m glad the interviewers at least gave their perspective on how Eckhart’s teachings were helpful ... it was monumental for me and alleviating suffering

[@danj9339]

I'm not sure Jordan's ego could take reading Eckhart Tolle.

[@Marlowe_Bloem]

What's so egotistical about him?

[@blue5teel]

@@Marlowe_Bloem When one refers to someones ego they are not neccessarily talking about them being egoistical. Rather they refer to their (grandiose) sense of self.

[@frankie_subs9129]

Jordan Is a cool guy and i owe hin much. That said i cannot Imagine him sit down and meditate, which Is the ultimate peace and healing technique

[@ethan46199]

I, too, used to think that all functional and successful people were egomaniacs. Turns out I was just resentful, and projecting.

[@MrSkatersOnly]

​@@ethan46199but the Ego eckhart is refering to is the mind made self, not the ego people usually refer to.

[@teachernickinsaigon1201]

This is why i don't automatically trust "certified" psychologists. Many of them have low awareness.

[@whatcouldgowrong7914]

Most psychologists are just as broken as the patients

[@adamcylee]

Jordan Peterson is perennially depressed and he admitted it.

[@1Jason]

@@whatcouldgowrong7914Yes, I think it’s why a lot of them get into the field in the first place. To try to fix themselves.

[@Floor7586]

Me too....A lot of psychologists are obsesed with putting everything in categories, just like Jordan is doing here with Eckhart's work. But all these categories are just a lot of mind, but have not neccecarely anything to do with conciousness. They can make people very unconsious often...

[@teachernickinsaigon1201]

@@Floor7586 dude EXACTLY✨

[@b.2392]

"What a liberation to realize that the 'voice in my head' is not who I am. 'Who am I, then?' The one who sees that." ~ Eckhart Tolle

[@АртГуффович-б1й]

"That humanistic framework is weak, at its best! It's not even a rule for life, strictly speaking!" ~ Jordan I've-read-it-all Peterson

[@b.2392]

@@АртГуффович-б1й Tolle is speaking about “nothingness”, a Zenlike wordless emptiness, our original nature, an experience of the soul above our story about it all. The soul is not an intellectual construct and is beyond mere speaking.

[@felice9907]

@@b.2392 the soul is a concept, like every-thing else.

[@b.2392]

@@felice9907 There are only two things in the world, semantics (explanation, interpretation, or meaning) and nothing. I suspect you might be stuck in meaning.

[@felice9907]

@@b.2392 there is only one thing anywhere (and it includes the world): this "thing" is actually no-thing/aware pure space ... .

[@translinearlight6132]

This is ridiculous. Tolle has nothing to do with humanists he mentions.

[@jgmediting7770]

Peterson constantly misrepresents things to suit an aganda. You just have to know about a particular topic to see it. Outside of his field, he relies on the ignorance of his audience, or the complicity of who he is being interviewed by. He s shill, a propagandist on behalf of capital.

[@ultrablue7477]

“I don’t know much about Tolle” 1 minute later…. “Tolle is wrong”

[@jgmediting7770]

Peterson in a nutshell. Full of rubbish on just about everything outside of his field. But says it confidently so people take him seriously.

[@vaish4you]

​@@jgmediting7770 we agree

[@VeritasIncrebresco]

​​@@jgmediting7770 JP is incredibly helpful to lost young men, I wouldn't take that from him. But he's very vocal about how bad nazis are, then radio silent about the Gaza treatment.

[@jgmediting7770]

@@VeritasIncrebresco he targets young men for the political agenda he is pushing. Literally a group targeted by wealth and it’s far right strategy.

[@bleached_coral]

he didn't exactly say that Tolle was wrong. he ceased to comment on Tolle after acknowledging his lack of understanding and moved on

[@Joefest99]

Jordan needs to read those books. He’s approaching Tolle from a cognitive/conceptual perspective. Tolle needs to be approached as one would approach the Dao De Jing.

[@nathanielbrereton1501]

Agreed. Jordan is cute here. You ask about Tolle, he tells you about Rogers. Tolle has gone beyond the standard fare of the 1960's.

[@ysf-d9i]

The thing is, I realized there are fundamentally two different types of people in the world; those who simply want to reduce their own suffering (first they want to increase happiness, and then they realized the way to do that is to reduce suffering by not having so many desires)... For those types of people, Tolle and similar philosophers and philosophies seem so wise and great. But the second type of person is like JP or me; we want something *more*. "suffering", "happiness" etc are simply neuro processes resulting from millions of years of evolution that tries to predict what will help us survive and propagate our genes. So to maximize for some chemical mixture in the brain in order to "feel" contentment or whatever seems so meaningless. There has to be more. There has to be a greater purpose and a greater meaning. That's why although Tolle and similar philosophies is great as a springboard into understanding ourselves, it is insufficient to provide true meaning.

[@blackandgold676]

Read them OR STFup when ask to opine on someone he says he doesn't really know...

[@Paulo-ut1li]

Peterson is an anglo-saxon judeo-christian apologist/maximalist. Anything that deviates from christianity and abrahamic religions is problematic for him.

[@bethbartlett5692]

Precisely. Very well discerned. Beth Bartlett Sociologist/Behavioralist and Historian

[@claudioortiz5830]

Tolle is a true master. Jordan can't even take care of himself.

[@hithisisnotpaul]

Good point. Clean body and mind beat a clean room. Peterson can be so blind.

[@Seanb33ee]

⁠@@hithisisnotpaulhahahah😂

[@wasdnty]

Agreed

[@davidmaddy1447]

" I don't know much about him recently to comment in depth"...and he should have ended it there...instead of talking shite...

[@NaderTaghinia]

I'm at a loss for words when a psychologist I've learned so much from, says that a man who has literally saved my life, is wrong! 😞

[@laurentlorenzo4843]

I believe JP's interested in what can provide concrete answers to concerns on a civilizational level. It's within that context that Toll's teachings are comparable to humanism. As per JP statement, “It can’t waistband ideological assault with any degree of resistance.” Toll's work can do wonders but that will always be limited to a relatively small number of people. But hey, if you want to prove that perspective to be wrong, great! I hope to live to see it!

[@MindVersusMisery]

Take Petersons words with a grain of salt. That's what I've been doing since it became apparant to me that his success has made him grandiose. He has lost a lot of humility since he rose to fame. I don't agree with everything Tolle has said either, but he has not been dead wrong about some topics the way Peterson has.

[@JanetSmith900]

I like JP, but he's wrong a lot. He's a great thinker. He's good at one-sided conversations, too.

[@abstract3213]

Maybe it's time to notice how inflated his ego is.

[@deajar-davidlazer8678]

Yeah me too. His early lectures made sense and I saw a lot of people being helped by it but then he started making statements about things I’d had direct experience of and know him to be 100% wrong. I can also see through his debating tactics now. Most of what he does is self serving . He is so self deceived I’d almost hazard to say he’s running with his alternative opinions purely because it gets him attention, platforms and money. He’s not a balanced individual. He knows nothing about actualising, awakening or spirituality. Anyone who’s had an awakening can see right through him. All I see in him now is a lost being encapsulated in mostly hate/criticism superiority complex with a sense of self( ego) that insists everyone should think like he does. The infinite and diverse nature of reality just flies right over his heads for someone with two eyes, it doesn’t matter, his intellect has blinded him with conceptualisation.

[@uhhdudeuhhwhatsup]

I swear to God Jordan Peterson believes he’s the only person who can be right about anything.

[@bonganikato3016]

It's a sickness 😢

[@raymondtendau2749]

No I don't think so and he never said that anywhere.

[@uhhdudeuhhwhatsup]

@@raymondtendau2749 it’s not the fact that he doesn’t blatantly say it. It’s pretty easy to see it from how he speaks on things like this and countless other examples.

[@raymondtendau2749]

@@uhhdudeuhhwhatsup Very respectfully, I don't agree to that. There is a lot of life lessons I have learnt and applied from him and I can just be grateful for such great mind in our world today.

[@nickalimzhanov7317]

@@raymondtendau2749 you can learn even from a monkey.. he undoubtably has enough wisdom to lecture almost anybody , doesn't mean he is always right.. he is just a man and doesn't know most things , don't forget that.. he definitely lacks perspective in some "human-related" things too

[@utuserspike]

I believe JB is thinking of someone other than Tolle. He groups Tolle with a group from the 1960s. Tolles first book came out in 1997. He classifies Tolle a humanist, roughly defined as one who trusts to the scientific method, makes ethical decisions based on concern for all beings, and acts to give their own lives meaning without belief in an afterlife. Those values are not the thrust of Tolles writings. JB should have stopped after his first sentence, “I don’t know enough about him to comment in depth”. I am a big fan of JP, but he can’t be right all the time.

[@ejw1234]

He's talking about the tradition of...

[@atinybookabout]

100% agree with you - my sense is not that Peterson has a quibble with the thrust of Tolle's books - but rather, he's completely mistaken about who he thinks he's opining about :) No shot any critical assessment of Tolle's life's work could be compared to the writings of Abraham Maslow - or Humanism writ large. (Sam Harris has a lot more in common with Tolle than the other comps he brings up here - if he wanted to be critical of Tolle's "thoughts without a thinker" Vendanta -ish world view - that would have been a much better place to begin - my guess is, he has no idea who Tolle is, at least for the duration of this clip)

[@endofscene]

@@ejw1234 Eckhart operates within the wisdom of the Dharmic and Esoteric spiritual traditions, not human or humanistic ideologies. Spiritual evolution finds its maturity in spiritual involution which is the progressive awakening from the mind and all related ego phenomena such as ideologies and ideas, which at best can serve as helpful pointers along the Way

[@JustFollowingOrders12]

He's constantly lumping people in with groups so he can reduce their position and ideas to something he is familiar with and has prepared arguments for.

[@kellykiernan7785]

Also, his main premise is ridiculous. To say that Humanism "was wrong"? Humanism isn't a theory. It doesn't make predictions. It's a perspective, like Freud's perspective or any other. It can't be wrong or right

[@Injalau]

You are wrong and I am right....the ego´s favorite phrase.

[@adamishaq9184]

Jorden is still a child in his growth. Most people get older and regress. he talks like a very young person who remember very well about school subjects but never knows about the life. Some stuck as dwarf from inside due to lack of wisdom, even outwardly they are healthy, well versed and eloquent

[@ravenofthewild]

Ummm, where did you get your idea that Most older people regress? Curious of your age? As someone who worked with the elderly for years and is now there myself I can tell you that is false for the majority. I knew a couple of folks who regressed and both were in early dementia. Something that I observed is many older people spent their lives working hard on raising families, paying bills, being responsible and once old enough they had the time and space to play again and reclaim that beautiful childlike joy that is always there within us all. Perhaps you've confused being playful with regressing.

[@maxsmart99]

When Jordan Peterson asks “how old are you?” it’s a subtle put down, like saying you’re too young to realize what’s true. As if he’s the wise elder who has landed on the undisputed truth

[@musaire]

lol yeah it was too obvious, he even spelled it out practically "depends on the knowledge base you read the book with"

[@Mike.br80]

That’s a stretch. He’s comparing the age when he read the book to the current ages of Jack and Graham

[@ejw1234]

@@musaire@0626love Have you ever encountered Ken Wilber in your twenties and then re-read him in your 40s? It's the same effect reading Krishnamurti in your twenties vs. later in life? And the same is reading Kerouac in your youth and then seeing him on William F. Buckley's Firing Line in a taped interview later in life?

[@cheyennealvis8284]

That's because he knows everything about everything.

[@gavigaviman]

it is because the only way to consider hippie BS great is to be young or stupid, or both.

[@andymann4845]

The great sage Sri Ramana Maharshi when asked how one should go about finding a teacher or teaching said "Go to that which brings you the most Shanti (Peace)". I know in my own life Eckhart has been a great lighthouse and educator, enriching my life immensely to find a sense of peace in the chaos of this world. I have also benefited immensely from what Jordan has taught, but in the end I know both are simply signposts and not the destination. Jordan is starting to sound very arrogant, talking from a place where he is deluded into believing he is speaking the highest truth. Sri Ramana also said "The Door to God is always open, but the Lintel is very low". If you lose your humility and get caught up in your own brilliance then you are setting yourself up to fall. Jordan's rote rejection of other teachers is disturbing and has hidden in the subtext of his replies that he holds the highest truth. Why doesn't someone set up a chat between the two?

[@avinashjagdeo]

In that case, steer clear of JP. His life is wrought with suffering.

[@siegfriedschulze5163]

Nice idea. Would maybe clearify misunderstandings.....(With Ramanas teaching and grace I found out who I really am. SURPRISE.)

[@ysf-d9i]

I don't think JP is motivated by arrogance or having to be right. Here's the thing. I realized there are fundamentally two different types of people in the world; those who simply want to reduce their own suffering (first they want to increase happiness, and then they realized the way to do that is to reduce suffering by not having so many desires)... For those types of people, Tolle and similar philosophers and philosophies seem so wise and great. But the second type of person is like JP or me; we want something *more*. "suffering", "happiness" etc are simply neuro processes resulting from millions of years of evolution that tries to predict what will help us survive and propagate our genes. So to maximize for some chemical mixture in the brain in order to "feel" contentment or whatever seems so meaningless. There has to be more. There has to be a greater purpose and a greater meaning. That's why although Tolle and similar philosophies is great as a springboard into understanding ourselves, it is insufficient to provide true meaning.

[@asor8037]

@@avinashjagdeo I agree with you. I've listened alot to both ET and JP. No doubt about who has helped me the most, after a while my mind went, well this JP guy sounds smart, but he is clearly very miserable. Why would you take your life advice from someone so miserable? ET on the other hand, emanates peace. That, in the end, is all that matters.

[@MayaSalila]

@@asor8037 Exactly!

[@MangalSinghDhami]

Eckhart Tolle is more eastern than Western. He is not ideological man.

[@fortadelis]

JP clearly has no slightest clue about ET's message. If he knew his teaching better, he would respond differently.

[@MM-yi9zn]

Tolle’s Book is tremendous. Changes lives for the better. Soothing, calming & very helpful for unhappy & depressed people.

[@dope6921]

Before i was about to end my life , i came across power of now . And i know now that , one has to die before they die and then find out that there is no death . Thank you Master Eckhart for saving my life .

[@liambeaton8318]

Jordan’s huge ego doesn’t like the power of now 😂

[@ejw1234]

He's more mythological and action-oriented. He wants classical and mythological ideas with modern psychology's empirical basis. He tries to synthesize that.

[@liambeaton8318]

@@ejw1234 wow you can use big words I’m so impressed 🤮

[@ejw1234]

@@liambeaton8318@liambeaton8318, you shouldn't be; it's just an opinion. If it's not for you, the beauty is you can just scroll down.

[@cjmllvv]

Psychology isn't a real science so jordan is essentially out of line allowing it to hold so much authority. Psychology is only useful with strong humility about its veracity

[@feastXfast]

When you have a very good and fancy and successful ego you don't want to give that up

[@DrKaushikRam]

JP's answer clearly exemplifies how distant psychology is from understanding consciousness.

[@jsingh108]

Not necessarily psychology. It’s him. Carl Jung was well ahead of his time.

[@DrKaushikRam]

@@jsingh108 Carl Jung was an exception. However, psychology itself has had it's own evolutionary trajectory that built off some base Jungian concepts, until modern psychology was hijacked by the pharmaceutical industry rather than psychoanalysis being applied as an investigative tool as was originally intended. I share a detailed account on how this occurred in this video - kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z3i5hZ-Pe6Z3ns0

[@dudeabideth4428]

Tolle is not about self actualization . But about self transcendence Why don’t JB say that I haven’t read the book instead of rambling

[@robst247]

Because if he admitted ignorance, his ego would have to shrink. His ego is clearly attached to its over-inflatedness and fears deflation!

[@rationalityrules111]

Peterson's whole worldview is totally traumatized by being ideoloogically assaulted for several years, and now we can see the PTSD interpretations of everyone and everything that he touches.

[@zealiabella8553]

I was a fan of Peterson, however after this clip, I can see how clearly he wasn’t humble enough to just admit he doesn’t know Eckhart‘s work enough to comment. Also to just ignore the hosts’ experiences of Eckhart’s teachings was very arrogant. Maybe a sit down with Eckhart might enlighten him.😄

[@yannhijazi]

that'd be interesting indeed 😁

[@fernandomatielobueno8716]

He literally said he doesn’t know him enough…

[@AAPAI_24]

For me, the moment he said that a man should wear a suit (to be a man of integrity and clout), that’s when I realised he just talks hot air. He’s so out of Roxy. Either so many intellectual concepts that I just can’t take him seriously.

[@AAPAI_24]

@@fernandomatielobueno8716but that didn’t stop him invalidating him somewhat. Arrogance camouflaged as humbleness. Peterson is a lot of thing: humble is not one of them

[@johndillon6330]

Yeah,​, Peterson is definitely NOT a spiritual man or teacher.

[@thomasgill223]

I have a lot of respect for Jordan, but here he was a dick. The guy tells him that these were the most important books in his life and J is profoundly incurious. He has already mischaracterized Tolle as a 60s humanist (which is stupid) so he just dismisses him and the interviewer and launches into talking about himself and the books he's read. I hope he didn't do that kind of thing in his profession as clinical psychologist.

[@jmwelshy85]

Wasn't his best moment for sure. Power of now is the most important book I've read to date too. Didn't agree with his analysis at all. He almost looked a bit annoyed. Wonder if there is something more behind these comments. Almost like he dismissed it out of hand because there is no way to measure what Tolle teaches. Kind of the opposite of what this talk was about. IQ.

[@ejw1234]

How different is Tolle from Leary or the other 60s hippies or spiritual savants from the 70s/80s? (The pain body...I like saying it to myself in his voice; it's great..Tolle has a good sense of humor, though, his little mumbling humor. It's great.) You can't build a civilization with Tolle, but maybe you can if you just take away his meditative and relaxation thoughts as a centering method.

[@gavigaviman]

All that hippi BS doesn't deserve any better.. it is just a pill of pure evil wrapped in a shiny colors with a :) on it

[@bonganikato3016]

Could start to detect a god complex in him since last year.

[@avinashjagdeo]

He can't grasp Tolle and his ego and world view cannot accommodate that fact.

[@avinashjagdeo]

JP is representative of the pinnacle of western provincial thought and engagement of mind and senses in the knowing of reality. He is perhaps the polar opposite of Tolle. JP rooted in the material sense of self as are most. I'm sure he suffers tremendously as a result and believes that suffering is the true nature of things. The works of Tolle and others enlightened to self would be beyond him and threaten to collapse the house of cards that he and other western thinkers work to build upon.

[@Eva-lv1lj]

God damn I’m glad I found this clip. Always had this feeling. Like if you want to function in the worldly view jp knows a lot about behavior, psychologie etc. But it’s al mind. You can transgress this by letting go. Feeling and body. But he is all up in his head. For some people he brings great knowledge it just the depends where you are on the ladder of awareness.

[@atomusbliss]

Yep.

[@ysf-d9i]

I realized there are fundamentally two different types of people in the world; those who simply want to reduce their own suffering (first they want to increase happiness, and then they realized the way to do that is to reduce suffering by not having so many desires)... For those types of people, Tolle and similar philosophers and philosophies seem so wise and great. But the second type of person is like JP or me; we want something *more*. "suffering", "happiness" etc are simply neuro processes resulting from millions of years of evolution that tries to predict what will help us survive and propagate our genes. So to maximize for some chemical mixture in the brain in order to "feel" contentment or whatever seems so meaningless. There has to be more. There has to be a greater purpose and a greater meaning. That's why although Tolle and similar philosophies is great as a springboard into understanding ourselves, it is insufficient to provide true meaning.

[@Eva-lv1lj]

⁠@@ysf-d9igreater purpose. When does jp explain a greater purpose. You mean god?

[@ysf-d9i]

@@Eva-lv1lj he calls it god. Which is something I dislike, but he isn't a christian in the way normal christians are. His conception of god is that which is the highest possible good. It's definitional.

[@OxyMoron-j9u]

How can someone comment on someone's book without reading them?

[@АртГуффович-б1й]

Example is right here on the video. "Just admit I don't know a thing about a topic? NO, too simple!"

[@hithisisnotpaul]

THIS ISNT EVEN HIS FINAL FORM

[@suigeneris2843]

😂😂😂​@@hithisisnotpaul

[@jonferngut]

Jordan would not be Jordan without his ego. Plus he's making bank on people's needs and fears, Eckhart's ideas could put his business at risk.

[@bonganikato3016]

This man has gone mad.

[@abstract3213]

Long ago.

[@michellesecrett1]

Eckhart and his teachings are a threat to JP and his religious ideologies

[@karolisz815]

What about the other way around?

[@michellesecrett1]

@@karolisz815 there is no other way around. Is Eckhart speaking or is JP?

[@robertjay9415]

blue vs green lol

[@juntus89]

"I don't know enough about him so I will begin by telling you he's wrong and I am always right". Tolle is a lot smarter than JP could ever be and I believe that JP knows this. E Tolle is enlightened, whereas JP bursts into tears on almost every interview he is in. E Tolle is loved and admired by all that watch him, whereas JP is not. E Tolle talks about things that matter, JP talks about the metaphysics of Raskolnikov and the symbolic substrate of the philosophical and post modern movement of neo-Marxist liberal woke ideological leftists... before breaking down and crying about how he loves it when young men come up to him and tell him he has changed their life. Then he cries again before shouting "UP YOURS WOKE MORALISTS!!"

[@LiveLoveLevelUp]

He's to focused on being right and not open enough to see outside of his dogmatic points of view. A brilliant mind, however strongly identified with its own mental position. This is exactly what Eckhart Tolle is speaking about in his book and lectures. We all have it, but in Jordan, he's too caught up in it so he doesn't realize it as a position. A strong identification creates a dense and thick ego, leading to more suffering and less joy. You can see it in his mannerisms and the tension and strain in his face when he thinks, almost as if hes afraid to loose it. I don't mean to judge, I've been a fan of Jordan Peterson for a long time and love his book. But I think he needs spirituality more than ever right now. Much Love

[@Floor7586]

I agree, really identified with the mind....

[@magnushedman1076]

this reveals everything about JP unmature soul! a fully ego intellectual man

[@abstract3213]

Ego inflated. It has not much to do with intellectuals. He is pseudo intellectual.

[@MrCas-fq3kt]

Everybody is wrong only Peterson is right....

[@AWT8900]

No you are wrong....only Peterson is right

[@AdamBechtol]

😋​@@AWT8900

[@Satori100]

We are all wrong. You and JP are right, no?

[@Mike_Lennox]

We can be certain that Jordan is right because his daughter accumulated severe internal dysregulation that almost completely killed her.

[@l.s9148]

That’s probably why he is wrong ..:

[@MichaelDamianPHD]

I'm not sure why Jordan Peterson is lumping Eckhart Tolle in with Carl Rogers and Maslow who were talking about completely different things. also the humanist conception of self-actualization would be very similar to the goal of individuation described by Carl Jung which means to create a more conscious integrated authentic and self-aware person.

[@acook213]

Tolle’s book and teachings are quite simple: it’s about recognizing that all mind activity (really all of life unfolding) takes place in the present moment. So the present moment is like the blank canvas upon which the paint (thoughts, feelings, etc.) is applied. So ultimately any philosophy isn’t the ultimate truth in and of itself… Tolle’s book is just a reminder to be aware of the space in which thoughts, feelings, our sensory perceptions, etc. take place, i.e. the present moment.

[@robst247]

Exactly.

[@Hugooo_ross]

Jordan is pure intellect and the power of now is about awareness in the present.

[@abishaicampbell2187]

It’s western philosophy vs eastern philosophy. The west emphasized “doing” and the east emphasized “being”. The west looks outward and the east looks inward. I think both are necessary to make a good life. Finding a balance and what works for you is best. Ego dissolution and living like a monk with no personal attachments to anything isn’t the path for most people but it might be for some. Eckhart taught me self awareness and how to not be pushed and pulled by my habitual thoughts and emotions. Jordan taught me how to get my life together and be productive through action. And to face the things I’m afraid of, because I’m stronger than I think. Both changed my life at different times and both were necessary for my life.

[@TROTICS]

Search up Christ the eternal Tao

[@vitaminkplus]

Richard Rohr is a wonderful bridge between Christianity and Presence / Stillness and Contemplation, which is comparable (or at least provides the Christian mystical contemplative traditions that reflect Tolle’s works). JP is approaching it completely from just the mind.

[@jtc8197]

Eckhart Tolle is only the beginning of the journey.

[@Ni7ram]

whats next?

[@drcunda1]

🙂 You're right 👍 I Lost Everything, I Have Found Myself. 💚 RUMI

[@Eliminton]

wrong there is no journey.

[@jtc8197]

@@Eliminton awesome❤ But what is the reason of writing « Wrong »?

[@jtc8197]

@@drcunda1❤

[@cruzyla]

When you’re so sure you’re right that someone else is wrong it closes you off to the very fact that you could be just as wrong.

[@Mark-mo4bo]

Number of times Eckhart cried over a benzo addiction: 0

[@thinkingcitizen]

Got em

[@AlvinaManley]

judgmentcallpodcast covers this. Eckhart Tolle is wrong!

[@sultanofswingdrift3021]

please tell me what episode are you talking about, gpt doesn't give any good clues

[@aleks8283]

Wrong with what exactly? Something he said, or just simply the whole person?

[@АртГуффович-б1й]

​@@aleks8283 the whole person, apparently

[@aleks8283]

@@АртГуффович-б1й looks like it 🤣

[@marianapalacios1675]

“I have never read him, but he is wrong.”

[@abstract3213]

He said the same thing about Marx. Sounds legit. An "exceptional intellectual". Deep as f...

[@Brunoorozcocmbtvs]

According to Jordan everyone is wrong ! Except him of course . This guy is a second class KZbin intellectual …

[@Eradicatorc]

lol, Peterson saying these things like ‘fundamentally they are wrong’ with so much confidence is quite arrogant, like he has all the answers. I think nobody knows what meaning life ultimately has, and we have to just admit that we are all just speculating. I think that shows true humility and willingness to learn. But that’s just me tho.

[@musaire]

With logic, one could actually exclude some theories with close to 100% confidence. There are just things that doesn't make sense or where you could just point out with the finger and show where the mistakes has been made in reasoning.

[@Eradicatorc]

@@musaire I’m actually quite interested in the things that you refer to, what are the things you are 100% confident in (or close to 100%) as to what the meaning is of why we live?

[@Eradicatorc]

@@musaire Or are you just saying that somebody could point out flaws in Reasoning with 100% confidence? Cuz I agree with that actually. Although not about any topic though. Simple topics like Math [2 + 2 = 4] , and if somebody gets it wrong, sure. But philosophical topics like the meaning of life are different in my opinion. As long as you’re not making any claims regarding the meaning of life with 100% I’m totally fine.

[@thecrow4597]

Making a truth claim is not arrogant. Every western person with sense knows that tolle is wrong. People just became so detached from their history that a guy like tolle could bring in oriental pagan thinking and convince Europeans of it. It doesn’t mean there is nothing tolle said that isnt useful. But his philosophy is simply wrong

[@musaire]

@@thecrow4597 I haven't read Tolle, please anyone remind me, if that's possible in a few words, what are the mistakes Tolle is making compared to Peterson.

[@dm4life579]

I have respect for JP only because he truly believes in his mission and purpose to heal and uplift. Even though it is clearly flawed and lacking. I sense that he knows the truth but can not conquer his fears and come forward. God bless you, JP. I can feel your struggle.

[@ggates5371]

Eckhart Tolle is wrong. I don’t know why he’s wrong. But I disagree with him. #JordanPetersonLogic

[@kundaliniyogalab]

Jordan is in love with sound of his voice, write or wrong.

[@Zesvo-c1t]

right or wrong

[@bigbrother1986]

Kermit the frog

[@blessos]

The difference between a philosopher and a mystic ladies and gentlemen.

[@ultrablue7477]

Not a philosopher… A psychologist

@@ultrablue7477 Close enough. It is still the intellect. Nice ideas to chew on but no real sustenance.

[@limitisillusion7]

Philosophy and mysticism are not mutually exclusive from each other.

[@blessos]

@limitisillusion7 They are in my book.

[@rasmuslernevall6938]

​@@limitisillusion7That’s true. But only mysticism will lead to the experience of that which philosophy seeks. It is the difference of mind and consciousness we are talking about here.

[@Aikanarokun]

Mind could never grasp silence. That is the problem of a lot of people, wanting to resolve happiness through outer objects and thoughts. If you look hard enough anyone could find the source of happiness within, it just takes a lot of work/meditation to understand that.

[@ysf-d9i]

this assumes that people are trying to find happiness in the first place. This is the fundamental difference between the JP camp and the Tolle camp. There are fundamentally two different types of people in the world; those who simply want to reduce their own suffering (first they want to increase happiness, and then they realized the way to do that is to reduce suffering by not having so many desires)... For those types of people, Tolle and similar philosophers and philosophies seem so wise and great. But the second type of person is like JP or me; we want something *more*. "suffering", "happiness" etc are simply neuro processes resulting from millions of years of evolution that tries to predict what will help us survive and propagate our genes. So to maximize for some chemical mixture in the brain in order to "feel" contentment or whatever seems so meaningless. There has to be more. There has to be a greater purpose and a greater meaning. That's why although Tolle and similar philosophies is great as a springboard into understanding ourselves, it is insufficient to provide true meaning.

[@trevorable04]

Again, this does not seem like the authentic Dr. Peterson that I grew up during my teenage years. I hope this is just some type of side effect from eating nothing but meat.

[@danj9339]

Yeah, honestly I think he's losing his way a bit. I was a big fan of his and agree with him on many things, but there's definitely an arrogance slipping in.

[@ysf-d9i]

no one is perfect... he said he doesn't know much about tolle in the beginning. It's best to just see it as him saying "I don't know about this, so let me talk about something else". When you talk so much in public, you're bound to slip up sometimes. If you or I constantly gave talks, we'd do it a lot more, I bet.

[@abstract3213]

He was always like that. Time to wake up. He just persuaded you, because he is a skilled communicator, but he was always full of s....

[@Mr.Honest247]

No I think he’s dominated so many people in debates that he made it his weapon and started to over identify with it making him develop a god complex. One of the many traps of too much victory and power. He needs to learn to let go.

[@chubbatheBOSS]

He was always a narcissist that convinced you to worship him, with his smooth talking and ego and now you’re waking up and seeing through it, that’s all.

[@hithisisnotpaul]

Eckhart and Peterson together are nice bible interpreters

[@thinkingcitizen]

Eckhart is much more influenced by the Indian traditions - Hinduism and Buddhism as well as Japanese Zen Buddhism

[@shole108]

Books, theories and philosophizing in them are one thing, and practice, application, experience are quite another...Eckhart lives what he talks - about pure consciousness without thoughts and ego trips...

[@HeWhoHath]

That’s because he gets paid Buku bucks to walk around acting like that. Now you try it You’ll go broke in a hurry

[@Kundalini_Goddess]

I'm so glad this video exists 😂 so i know to never take anything this man says seriously.

[@abstract3213]

Bravo! 👌👏

[@growingwithfungi]

ET is not a thinker JP, rather he teaches the opposite.

[@vrschwrngsthrtkr22]

Summary: "I don't know much about Eckhart Tolle, but Eckhart Tolle is wrong because Humanism is wrong because it cannot stand criticism, but Christianity can stand criticism". Can it? Is humanism wrong, because it's weak? Is it weak? Weaker than narrow-minded christianity? Or is humanism more like water that erodes the rock that is christianity. I am all for fighting wokeness, yet humanism is not wokeness. Wokeness is a perversion by fellow narrow-minded mentally challenged people, so it's closer to christianity than to humanism.

[@abstract3213]

How can he even say humanism is wrong? Wtf does that even mean? Did he proved it in a lab? It is about a different point of view, a different perspective, it is not a competition what is wrong/right, psychology is anyways considered a soft science!

[@JorisWeima]

He clearly doesnt grasp what Tolle truely means whatsoever. No wonder cuz JP is so much up in his mind, which is ultimately all fear based or something like that. Kinda weird for a psychologist, and especially for one who likes Jung a lot...

[@johng9718]

Would have been better off saying, "I don't know enough about him to answer," then leaving it at that. Having followed JP for a while, I know for a fact he would love Power of Now & New Earth if he read them. Not saying he would agree with every detail, but he espouses some of the same concepts mentioned in those books. There's just so much wisdom in those two books, and it's from what I can remember, it's kept very simple, so it's not like a wild, new scientific theory that needs to undergo meticulous scrutiny.

[@AntBeezy777]

This reminds me of that one video when Jung was asked why he didn’t visit Ramana Maharshi when he went to India. Bunch of word salad… lol

[@nicholasfejer8451]

Maslow and Rogers are pyschologist. Tolle is a spiritual person, not fixed on ideas. Hence each moment.

[@angus6032]

The power of positive thinking.....only gets you so far..........read two of his books and didn't get much out of them honestly.

[@jmwelshy85]

It isn't about thinking positively. I would suggest listening or reading the first 10 minutes again.

[@paulbarclay4114]

completely missed the point of the books its not even about positive thinking its about all thinking being pointless and unnecessary

[@AT-os6nb]

the ego missed the point of his books...it didn't want you to discover your true nature and so destroy its cover....and so you remain in the dark. A reread or two is in order if you want to understand a great work of literature.

[@HeWhoHath]

Yeah, he just has a wordy way of telling everyone that it’s OK to be lazy.

[@mr.b5534]

Blah blah blah 😂 Words. Tolle warned us about the limitations of words. 😂

[@karolisz815]

How is swimming in nothingness helps to pay your bills friend? Honestly. How are you doing?

[@vagabounder3463]

"The power of now" is a book just too powerful. Dont read it if you dont want to open the fckng door. And, BTW, the bible is the GOAT of power books.

[@CrouchingscarabflyingJ]

Hear that everyone, Dr. Peterson says that Jesus was wrong

[@OneLine122]

The hero is part of the Karpman drama triangle. When faced with an oppressor/victim drama, a hero appears to enable the oppressor by trying to help the victim. If they get the help, the victim becomes dependent on the hero. If the victim does not comply, the hero will turn on the victim. It's seen as a way to avoid one's problems. You can see this is almost all dysfunctional dynamics. Peterson is in that drama. He started to try and help the victims, it did not work and he turned on them. So now he defends oppressors.

[@AtomkeySinclair]

Jordan's mask is deeper than Nietzsche. He wouldn't recognize nd if it hit him in his duality.

[@laurentlorenzo4843]

What JP means is that even though Toll’s books may do wonders for an individual (even enlightenment), those benefits are only going to truly enable a limited number of people to thrive, within a limited context. Just like there is a Hinayana (small vehicle) and a Mahayana (great vehicle) in Buddhism, JP is more interested in great vehicles, equipped and conceived to guide an entire civilization. As implied in his statement on humanism’s or Toll’s small vehicle : “It can’t waistband ideological assault with any degree of resistance.”

[@ChakkaYashwanth]

Unless you are awakened or realize the cosmic consciousness within you, u will never understand or agree with Eckhart

[@stopwatch129]

The second JP put Eckhart in the humanist box was the second I realised that he completely does not understand the wisdom of Eckhart and many more like him past and present. I agree with another OP that JP (as much as I respect him) has too much of an inflated ego to truly understand the wisdom (ego in the sense that he thinks way too highly of himself). A shame really as I'm sure if he was able to grasp the wisdom he would bring a lot to the table.

[@normalsee4447]

The title of this video is a little misleading as Peterson doesn’t give any specifics as to how or why Tolle is “wrong” - he generalizes a lot and makes incredible leaps in his mind from one supposition to then proclaiming it as a truth or fact. I’m kinda done listening to JP and his raving rants….

[@deathchips926]

I am so happy to see the comments here have some sense to criticize the absolute hack that Peterson is-- an intolerant, smug, bottom shelf "intellectual". Of course, it's no surprise that he misses the point entirely on Tolle, I wouldn't expect someone as myopic and lacking in humility as Peterson to recognize true wisdom if it hit him in the face.

[@julianwayte]

Jordan does well in his intellectual realm but has limited personal experience in the way of metaphysical transcendence and is thus not qualified to speak on what Eckhart is pointing to. He will likely see in time.

[@zeMasterRuseman]

He should have left it at I don't know much about Eckhart Tolle. Now he just made a fool of himself.

[@eniopasalic]

Jordan Peterson defends his right to be afraid of death.

[@BrockLanders]

He should have just stopped after his first sentence. The problem with psychologists is that they swim within the shallow waters of the ego and never go beyond that. This is why people see psychotherapists for 10,20, sometimes 30+ years and never get better or see any real improvement. Eckhart’s teachings get to the root of the problem (which is the ego in the spiritual sense as opposed to the Freudian) and help one to transcend it. You cannot fix the problems of the mind with the mind or through trying to think your way out of them. For a man who likes to remind us of how high his IQ score is, I’m surprised that Mr. Peterson has not caught on to this yet. Others like Ram Dass did.

[@GrubKiller436]

0:47 "It can't withstand ideological assault with any degree of resistance." I mean, you have to give Peterson his due; this is a technically correct statement. It has no say in what we should or shouldn't do, nor what is right or wrong. The teachings of the Power of Now can be used for anything, really. It can even be used while we're harming others. D. T. Suzuki was pretty adamant in teaching Japanese soldiers how to use Zen in war. He promoted Japanese colonialism; though it never appeared to him that the precept/principle against the taking of life might have been violated. That's something to think about. There is an idea that there can be no mistakes in the world. Initially I would say, it certainly seems logical to assume that just as there exists no cloud that is a mistake, no human being is a mistake. Thusly, no action you make can be a mistake. What I've finally been able to grasp about the deepest and most fundamental aspect of morality is that it doesn't actually teach you what "is the right thing to do" in any given situation. We have an ability using our biological body, and that ability is that we're been able to map the patterns of admirable figures onto ourselves. And we psychologically perceive this as the right way to act in the world. Though, we don't know what is good; there can never be a line drawn between Good and Evil. But we assume how we're acting, which is often to our reproductive success (both individual and whole), as good. But even with that being said, to creatures such as us, in our realities, we have no objective sense of good. If you believe that life is purposeless and that nothing is truly valid in the final analysis, then yes, there can be no mistakes in life. But if you believe that your life has a purpose (which you may never be able to specify, but may know intuitively), then that would constitute there being mistakes. It means that when you aren't acting properly to/in alignment with your goal(s), then that's when you'll perceive mistakes. And that's the kind of stuff Jordan Peterson is concerned about. Therein lies the conflict the Power of Now has with our practical lives. Because in our lives, there are things we want to do and to aspire to. Meditation doesn't teach you what you ought to do. You all know that Jordan Peterson believes in Good and Evil. It's nothing new. Jordan Peterson's beliefs and Eastern philosophy don't fit each other neatly like puzzle pieces. They're not really meant for each other at all. But they can co-exist.

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Damn dude Very well done 🙇