The 5 Most Useless Ships at the Battle of Exegol

[@SanelyRed]

So glad that an Ewok glider made it to the Battle of Exegol in Lego Star Wars The Skywalker Saga

[@florians9949]

The resistence would have never stood a chance without them.

[@nostalgiagamer9452]

Spoilers

[@kingjellybean9795]

Lmao really? Glad to see the game devs have a good sense of humor with that dumpster fire of a movie

[@steelier6107]

@@kingjellybean9795 palpating somehow returned

[@DanBen07]

Yeah one of the ships has a AT-AT leg attached behind it.

[@Slenderman12342]

The GR75 is literally the spaceship version of the Gonk droid

[@ramiel7666]

Don't disrespect the gonk!

[@Monner69]

yes and it did everything

[@tricksterjoy9740]

If they incorporated that ship into the plot, the series would be over in one movie. It’d solve everything

[@simpsonfan13]

THEN IT MUST DIE

[@samboi123]

Different GR75

[@macwelch8599]

The Sith Eternal Star Destroyers were pretty useless as well

[@SP-sy5nq]

I'd almost say the sequels are useless, save that they can be quotable sometimes. (Not nearly as much as the prequels tho)

[@stephenthedude4383]

@@SP-sy5nq they fly now!?!!??

[@hunterkiller1440]

Just like the Resistance bombers. Highly offensive, small defense.

[@xinweikoh1961]

Long story short everything is useless in exegol

[@nickter745thebold8]

They would’ve been better as Resurgents imo.

[@williambell3304]

My problem with that Battle is that a scraped-together fleet like that, operating so close, with no standardization and little preparation would probably spend more time crashing into and shooting each other than doing anything effective, and would be prone to disorganization and panic.

[@starburst98]

To be fair it looks like they have only two targets, star destroyers and tie fighters. So as long as they only have those as targets the shooting each other thing would be minimized.

[@toddkes5890]

The people on those ships had a choice: die to the First Order Planet-killers, or fight. If the First Order had stuck to just conquering planets and leaving people alone, that fleet would have likely never showed up.

[@williambell3304]

@@toddkes5890 I'm just talking military effectiveness. And I know it's a movie, where theme and symbolism are more important. But honestly, There will likely be some truly combat-effective elements in that fleet. From Local militia defense-forces to pirates. Jamming the skies with civilian ships that don't know how to communicate and coordinate in battle, aren't equipped or trained for it, are unpredictable and prone to panic and which will spend more time damaging each other and getting in the way than anything else will mostly serve to reduce the effectiveness of the combat-proficient ships and reduce the odds of victory. Unless the plan is to destroy the Star Destroyers with a hell-rain of flamimg junk. Basically, this here plan is most likely to go about as well as when it was used on a Futurama episode by Brannigan. Truthfully, there ARE ways to salvage that plan. The best way to make a fighting force out of that fleet would be to break it up into battlegroups of the combat-ready ships and personnel, with some of the specialist ships and pers. for support, training the others and refitting the salvageable ship over time. But that's a strategy for a guerrilla war, not a last-stand battle. If we MUST go that route, well, the movies have been perhaps suggesting latent force users exist throughout the galaxy. In the end, EVERYONE is connected to it. So have a force user commune with the entire makeshift fleet, enabling them to coordinate subconsciously and giving the civilians subconscious access to the battle-competence of the veterans. (A similar tactic has been used by both the Emperor and Thrawn in novels.)

[@LightBusterX]

That would be closer to a Crusade than an actual battle. xD

[@karimf.a.7521]

@@williambell3304 For what I know, every ship has it's own communication device, so they can comunicate with each other, and the plan was to take down every crusier they could before they could leave the planet, so other than spacing out to cover as much space from the final order's fleet, there isn't much need to have actual irl battle logistics and actual overly complicated strategies to what's supposed the star wars equivalent of literally everybody against you at the same time, specially considering that they didn't have that much time to get a better plan than just swarm them as best as they could, and the said fact that they only have two enemy objectives fairly distinctive to shoot at. And i doubt about them panicking, bc to be fair, if you decided to actually going from wherever you where at the moment to a planet nobody has visited before, and actually join a bunch of people to face against the first order for a last fight for the galaxy, then you should at least have an idea of what you were getting into, and if it was worth to actually go and join this battle. This people was here because they actually wanted to help no matter what. But once again, to be fair whatever their plan was before arriving, or if they had a more complex tactic either for the small civilian ships, or the big bulky cargo ships, it could've been better explained if this battle had more screentime than the 2 minutes it got from the 2 and a half hour movie it was meant to close.

[@hunterkiller1440]

I was honestly expecting a lot of Clone Wars era ships.

[@MilesL.auto-train4013]

They mistreated the prequels here anyway so...

[@wolxthewolf3362]

The director for this movie and force awakens was one of the few people who thought the prequel trilogy was awful, so when he made the sequal movies, he wanted to avoid any mention of the prequels

[@MilesL.auto-train4013]

@@wolxthewolf3362 And in the process, neglected all of the important storybuilding and lore that helped make Star Wars _Star Wars._ Say what you want about the Prequels, their story is still fundamental to the canon of Star Wars. Also, J.J. Abrams.

[@DIEGhostfish]

From JJ? The one who demanded Pod Racer flags be removed? Ahahahaha AHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAHHHAHAHAHAHAHA.

[@MilesL.auto-train4013]

@@DIEGhostfish I'm not familiar with this, explain?

[@MistahFox]

The Battle of Exegol is a monument to the Star Wars sequels; it has a cool concept and it looks great, but really its just a hodgepodge of reused assets/ideas executed worse than they were before.

[@enskje]

A monument to Star Wars as a whole: Designed to sell merchandise! "Merchandising! Merchandising!, where the real money from the movie is made".

[@MistahFox]

@@enskje Okay I get where you're coming from with the ridiculous consumerism rampant around Star Wars, but neither Star Wars nor this battle was designed to sell merchandise. The first Star Wars movie was certainly not designed to sell merchandise because they barely made any, and when the movie was massively more successful than they thought it would be that had to scramble to make merchandise for it, but it would be years before they made enough to fill demand. The Battle of Exegol wasn't designed to sell merchandise because we know it was designed to be cheap. It reused all of its ships (that were already merchandised) without a single original asset in order to save time and money, not to sell toys. The rest of it was to sell toys!

[@luclin92]

@@MistahFox that is actually a good point, they messed up so much that they didn't even had the chance to add any new toys into the mix. Like the new star destroyers wouldn't sell more than the old. But that is what happens when there isn't a plan behind a trilogy

[@TwoDogsFighting]

It looks like a static image of some star destroyers doing absolutely nthing tbh.

[@ubchnfhnbh2278]

"Looks great" Looks ugly and half assed to me

[@ggt47]

The number of ships is overkill. No pun intended. Talk about traffic jam,one shot could ricochet and destroy all the ships.

[@xionkuriyama5697]

Which is a lesson they learned in TLJ, even!

[@nickter745thebold8]

@@xionkuriyama5697 Why didn’t those bombers have shields?

[@josephmontanaro2350]

Would make sense to have waves, not only is blue on blue a big issue with one giant wave but being able to manuver would be difficult, most of these ships, even the combat ones, tend to use speed and manuvers in combat vs the more line ship oriented star destroyers, on top of that having a reserve of several waves let's you A. Drop more ships in to flank opponents with precision jumps, B. Take advantage of false pauses in the battle (IE wave 1 falls back, they assume they won and began damage control, rearming/refueling fighters and even larger ships before they send them out to burn the galaxy when suddenly wave 2 gets a slightly less effective advantage then the first surprise wave and C. A strategic reserve if the plan fails and you need to adapt (IE "this is wave 1 leader, be advised our intiligence was wrong, there were additional escort wings of fighters based planetside that committed to the fight, recommend you send part of wave 2 to focus on ground based hangers and have the start of wave 3 screen for small craft before committing wave 4s larger ships")

[@robertagren9360]

@@josephmontanaro2350 No. Waves would just make new problems that the ships behind are able to accelerate into the ships in front because you can't break in space. Space itself is a big place and they had to shrink all ships into one movie screen. Why use waves when you could have everyone fighting at the same time. Waves means every wave behind it isn't fighting. Waves worked for human infantry because we have limited stamina. You're thinking that the ships are humans where you pull back the weaker wave. You can't pull back any ship and waves is irrational. In space you just want a line formation and let every ship shoot at the others. Ships in space are cavalry and you're not riding a horse backwards or able to turn around. You get stomped to death by the horsemen behind you. Waves is worse than having all ships in one basket. Because you let the opponent pick each ship after another.

[@secretbaguette]

Just a random turbolaser misfire gets a pentakill

[@nathanapodaca3456]

Honestly, the battle of Exegol annoyed me. It looked like it was basically Disney saying "Look at how we can defeat the bad guys through the power of friendship!" I get what they're trying to go for, but you can at least try to have it make sense. I remember when I went to see TROS with a friend in the theater we both said the entire final battle felt like a rip-off of the final battle of Avengers: Endgame, which came out earlier in the same year. Like, even some of the lines were similar. "I am Iron Man/I am all the Jedi."

[@andrewbogard2411]

You should watch ryan George's pitch meeting about it he makes this same point. Lol

[@DrPet80]

the whole movie was shit. why should the useless battle in the end make sense?

[@xTK421x]

Fits right along with the "no winner no losers" way of teaching in sports.

[@daefaron]

The funny thing to me is how that scene (from what I've seen on youtube,etc, never fully watched the movie) is supposed to be this big heroic "THE DAY IS SAVED!" moment. But they put it in the trailers, IIRC the first trailer even. So the whole plot about "Nobody is coming to help us" was already completely ruined.

[@nathanapodaca3456]

Oh, and Palpatine just Force-lightning-zapping the entire fleet was another point that just went too far. If he has the power to do that, why build an entire fleet of Planet-killing Star Destroyers? Disney had a lot of potential for the final battle of the saga, but they had to make it look like two boys playing with legos and arguing over who's lego fleet is better.

[@robertb7293]

Normally, I'd be in a huff and nit-picking the effects team for copy-pasting a bunch of unarmed or pointless things just to pad a scene. Knowing the kind of nightmare deadlines ILM was put under though, I have to shift the blame. They did wonders, considering the unfair workload. I like to think the fleets pilots were in a similar rush, jumping to some coordinates that got barked at them, without really having time to plan what they were doing once they got there. Riding entirely on the energy that its better to go out and explode than sit at home waiting to explode.

[@BertoxolusThePuzzled]

They were in SUCH a rush they were able to travel months worth of distance and through a UNNAVIGATABLE hazard almost instantaneously with hardly any effort. So much for needing to track down a Sith Dagger McGuffin to find the other Sith Holocron McGuffin...

[@nathanapodaca3456]

Sucks for the guy on the unarmed transport who suddenly finds himself in a pitched battle without knowing why he's there in the first place.

[@robertb7293]

@@BertoxolusThePuzzled XD Nah see. The plot holes are necessary for increasing the surface area of the paper. What else were Disney and I supposed to write on? A second napkin? Madness.

[@dankuser8303]

Some of the ships might have been modified and armed

[@BertoxolusThePuzzled]

@@dankuser8303 Then they needed to show that and/or call it out in the movie.

[@trapperjohn6089]

Having all of those empty freighters nearby would come in really handy when you have damage starfighter’s scrambling for a place to land or handy for Carrying fighters into battle

[@davisdelp8131]

True

[@robertnelson9599]

Bet Disney would never think of that on their own.

[@stephenbruce1548]

Or just being used as canon fodder

[@Demokirby]

Also important to note that empty freighters provide coverage for the other ships, they are just large masses containing no critical system of the ship. Might get a lot of holes blown through it, but as long as major areas like cockpit and engines that make up very little of the ship don't get hit, that is shots not hitting more critical combat craft.

[@konstellashon1364]

And with the battle starting in atmosphere, even bringing armed Airspeeders and Cloud Cars could help.

[@formallyknownasj.a.2074]

How did all those thousands of ships all hyper jump into place so closely and not one of them had crashed or ran into another?

[@nickter745thebold8]

Timing, I guess?

[@thestarwarsmusiccomposer3491]

Cause of their navig computee

[@pepperedash4424]

Bad writing. They never should have made it to Exegol to begin with without a Wayfinder. Especially in such short notice with only guy to convince 10s-100s thousands of people all across the Galaxy to assault a 1,000+ fleet of planet killers. While we're at the First Order should have long since stumbled across and neutralized the armed vessels of the Citizen's Fleet since they manage to occupy the participant's homeworlds for an entire year.

[@quackerrbarrel7077]

with the power of bad writing

[@jibril2473]

@@thestarwarsmusiccomposer3491 Their Mickey Mouse powered Nav computer

[@hunterkiller1440]

Battle of Exegol reminds me of Battle over Coruscant, I want more of the space Battle rather than whatever is happening to some hippy monks with laser swords.

[@BloodandlatexFX]

Well then you’re gonna love rogue squadron next year

[@roger632]

Eh, the Battle of Exegol was sloppy... the Battle Coruscant on the other hand, was gloriously done!

[@jakevader4029]

I actually believe the opposite. The Battle of Exegol is an example of how not to do a fleet battle while the Battle of Coruscant is.

[@imreallynoob8311]

Coruscant is some kind of a real space battle where ship fly everywhere,but i dont know why they fight ship to ship boardside attack but dont form a line like normal tactic but whatever While Exegol is some kind of pearl harbor surprise attack they cant do much but refuse to form a battle formation out of the atmostphere(where the shield can open) while the rebel attack also kindda wierd

[@nickter745thebold8]

@@Riotmedic009 I liked episode 7. The rest were “meh.”

[@rexlumontad5644]

Leia: "We need your help!" Galaxy Fleet: "We sleep." Lando: "I need your help." Galaxy Fleet: "We got ya bro!"

[@SephirothRyu]

The cape gives +5 to Charisma. Also he rolled a natural 20. He could have even talked down the laundry fleet with that roll.

[@kaylahills3760]

Even Kathy Kennedy doesn't realize it. HahahahahahahHAAAH.

[@timewarpdrive77]

Leia: "We need your help!" killing 5 ships Galaxy Fleet: "We sleep." Lando: "I need your help." killing a million death star destroyers Galaxy Fleet: "We got ya bro!"

[@toddkes5890]

First call to help was where the First Order was focusing on conquest. People knew that they would likely be alive after a First Order attack. Second call to help was where the First Order was threatening to blow up a planet if there was any rebellion. At that point the people knew that it was fight or die

[@samboi123]

Yeah bc Lando is cool

[@KingsandGenerals]

*_Emotional damage_*

[@Ravenous1369]

I really enjoyed this, I think half the fun is trying to figure out How these ships and others could be used even if not very effectively. Like the freighter carrying a ton of fighters for example, its a really ingenious way to make use of its features; very large open bay, massive doors, sturdy construction to handle long-term usage, that sort of thing.

[@louisalectube]

In my headcanon, some had blaster cannons or missile launchers bolted into their cargo bays (w/ appropriate jury-rigged fire control sensors for targeting enemy ships). Pew pew indeed!

[@angrytvrobot6130]

Oh yeah, with time a half-decent fleet of uglies could have been made. This was put together relatively quickly though right? I honestly can't remember much about the movie but I'd be disappointed if half the ships didn't crash into each other because a bunch of clueless civilians were trying to pull military maneuvers.

[@michaelramon2411]

Those freighters would actually be very useful if you had to put together a carrier fleet out of civilian ships, or a permanent hit-and-run unit. Every military chews through supplies like crazy, and more carrying capacity is always welcome.

[@bthsr7113]

You could also use the mass of the cargo, or the whole ship itself as a ram Or release cargo as chaff. If you were desperate to help, law abiding, and stuck with that miserable ship that doesn't even have self defense weapons. The nastiest (and most involved) option would be using the cargo pods to carry a king's ransom in full ordinance bays. Say, ripping the munition pods of of Hyena droids and/or TIE bombers, then giving them more attached capacity. Then you have a civilian platform that has been modified as a strategic bomber that should do better than the A-17 Starfail. Would actually like to see something like this now. Yessss, some puffed up warlord or Hutt Boss using it as their personal sledgehammer

[@michaelramon2411]

@@bthsr7113 Because of the unusual from-above nature of the Galaxy Fleet's attack on Exegol, opening the freighter's front door and literally throwing boxes of explosives or fuel at an XSD below you would be a semi-viable tactic.

[@Nidhoggrr]

Good lord. Using a battle bird at this battle would be like taking a pre dreadnought class cruiser into a fleet engagement against modern next generation ships.

[@boobah5643]

A pre-dreadnought would be better armored and carry more guns than anything modern. Of course, it'd be incredibly slow and have to get ridiculously close to do any damage, less so if you at least upgraded the fire control. But it _would_ be distracting as anything.

[@Nidhoggrr]

@@boobah5643 I think you need to go watch some Dratchinifel vids cause all that is totally wrong. There's a thing called a technology gap. A pre dread would be blown out of the water with a single missile as soon as it entered scanner range (which is well beyond the horizon line, of which a pre-dread is very much limited to) and that's if it wasn't spotted by a scout craft first. It's so laughably outclassed by modern warships. It would be like saying a matchlock can compete with a modern sniper rifle.

[@goldenhorde6944]

This was my issue with the end of star trek beyond as well

[@enisra_bowman]

i know that concept is alien to many so called "star Wars Fans" but there is something like ... fun search wikipedia for it, might wanna try it out But the Concept of adding such a Ship in this fleet is "an easter egg" and for F.U.N. and should not taken that seriously because some thought it would be funny to add such a ship in it

[@Nidhoggrr]

@@enisra_bowman And I though it would be FUN to talk about how insanely outclassed it would be. Why do YOU have to be the prick here poking holes in that FUN?

[@leobezard5998]

considering who was directing, no wonder the copy paste fleets and ships were a thing in the sequels. JJ is at least consistent in his deconstruction of franchises. (if you've suffered through the new star trek stuff, you know what I mean)

[@mittensfastpaw]

Don’t forget Johnson on the Star Wars train wreck.

[@enisra_bowman]

@@Blodhelm actually, you are more the Next-Wave of Prequellhaters that come up with pathetic "reasons" why your oppion is a fact. But again, with that Gatekeeper Logic, most of Star Wars or many other Movies or Shows are crap because Copy&Paste and even more prevalent in older stuff quite common The Only ones the Destroy Franchises, are Gatekeepers, that said Prequels and the Sequels or basicly anything New is a pile of Turd

[@oXRaptorzXo]

So you wanted them to Make new designs for pre existing ships?

[@fenrisvermundr2516]

That was actually Kurtzman.

[@enisra_bowman]

​@@fenrisvermundr2516 yeah, shure and by the typical claims that follow how it got ruined, you never watched a minute of Star Trek

[@sunyavadin]

As an Armada player, I have customised GR75s I added hangar bays and bomber command to, carrying a wing of bombers, which I deploy from my MC75 as part of one variant of the "Raddus Dolls" strategy of deploying ever smaller ships from each other. Any transport vessel is a carrier if you are brave enough :D

[@dh510]

I think it's pretty dumb to bring useless ships that might end up hampering the ability to maneuver for useful ships... Also, wasn't "fuel" an issue? Shouldn't that be allocated to the ships that make the most use of it? Or is there enough now?

[@nickter745thebold8]

There’s enough fuel in Star Wars.

[@boobah5643]

The things about freighters is that, although fragile, they've got a lot of internal volume for customization. They aren't going to be fast or armored like a purpose built warship (generally), but you can fill that cargo bay with reactors, shield generators, fighters or whatever relatively easily. And there's some advantage just cluttering up your opponent's scopes; he can't see what is behind your freighter, and he has to figure out what everything he does see is.

[@konstellashon1364]

@@boobah5643 the novelization of Independence Day had that as well. They had extra pilots, so some flew in unarmed jets just to be decoys to the alien fighters.

[@bthsr7113]

Ignoring the bigger of the two problems I have with solo, fuel has historically been plentiful in Star Wars, and this is not a centrally coordinated effort, This is every ship with the will and means to respond to the hail doing so. There isn't a clear central command coordinating them as they head there, let alone managing everyone's resources.

[@robertagren9360]

Only one ship in the galaxy uses fuel. The others uses a power generator.

[@Gamer-gv7xn]

Well we dont see any of the ships doing anything at all, instead we got rey and ben fighting palps...

[@spacemonkey9257]

I'm eating beans

[@bradhedgehog12]

Not to mention only the Fighter Craft was doing the work

[@konstellashon1364]

@@bradhedgehog12 yeah. like, even showing the freight ships firing small cannons from above as the snub fighters attack from below for a few seconds would justify having them there.

[@bradhedgehog12]

@@konstellashon1364 Yeah. I would of liked to see like Them Calamari cruisers and Nebulon Bs shooting

[@toddkes5890]

Or just getting between a damaged Mon Cal warship and an enemy warship. The freighter takes the hits so the Nebulon and Mon Cal ships can recover

[@ScaleTail1101]

Quadjumpers might actually have had weapons. The Lego set features cannons similar to those on the Razor Crest, so it wouldn't be a stretch to assume they had similar armament in canon.

[@Sephiroth144]

The other uses for Balleen freighters could be 1) troop transports- could fit a lot of grunts in them (would make for good boarding actions- or frankly, the call for the fleet might include calls for infantry as well...) or 2) munitions transports- wouldn't be the craziest idea to have dedicated munitions ships hauling racks of proton torpedoes or vats of tibanna gas to supply the DPS ships. Which, admittedly, is similar to the GR-75s roles in my headcanon.

[@chengyunma4497]

Auxiliary ships. While useless in actual battles, can prevent your warships from being useless in battle.

[@tomaskops7119]

3) Recovery ships, with large openable acces, they can collect damaged starships

[@rozodru4790]

So I guess Echart never played Xwing vs Tie Fighter on the PC because the rebel transports, the GR-75s did have guns. at least one. some were fitted with ion cannons, many fitted with a single turbo laser.

[@chatterycasque9594]

Still useless given the sheer scale of the battle Plus I'm pretty sure those upgrades would be hard to manage

[@timewarpdrive77]

Isn't that part of the old EU.. aka, the thing that was decanonized so they could make this garbage fire of a trilogy?

[@chatterycasque9594]

@@timewarpdrive77 They didn't change the capabilities for the GR-75, so it still applies

[@timewarpdrive77]

@@chatterycasque9594 No it doesn't... its called non-canon for a reason. You don't just get to arbitrarily fill in the blanks for them.

[@themanwhowouldbebrick]

This battle was supposed to be the most climactic space battle in star wars and it was 3 minutes long, plus they couldn’t even be bothered to make a new star destroyer they just made the old one with a big gun. Hopefully they make an extended cut of all the sequels that explains about palpatines revival, expands this battle, fixes the choreography of some of the fights and extends this scene. This will probably never happen, it’s just wishful thinking.

[@nickter745thebold8]

The Xystons are more representative of the idea that the Empire is rising from the grave to take their revenge. It’s symbolic in that way.

[@pepperedash4424]

@@nickter745thebold8 Still dumb of them to not only reuse an old design that failed the Empire, but to incorporate new weaknesses like their main armament, lack of a navigation system, and basing them where their shields can't work.

[@pepperedash4424]

Even then it wouldn't justify Palpatine's last minute presence, or make sense of why Palpatine created two independent factions instead of consolidating his forces against a diminished New Republic, or how he got the funds and resources to build the two out of nowhere. And why did he create Snoke for the First Order instead of adopting an alias.

[@nickter745thebold8]

@@pepperedash4424 True. I like to think of a better scenario where Snoke was a different person by himself, but got influenced by an imprint of Palpatine from a Sith Holocron. Snoke encounters the Sith Eternal cult (who were discovered by Palpatine during a secret Galactic Republic colonization effort) and has them act as terrorists across the galaxy. Then he utilizes the Imperial Remnant to play the façade of the First Order, a political party representing the Imperial Remnant and dedicating themselves to “stopping the terrorist onslaught on the New Republic.” All the while, the First Order will work their way into earning the New Republic trust while secretly supplying the Sith Eternal with their technologies and children to brainwash and forge into elite soldiers groomed to kill. And Snoke will be the one to play both factions while they are in actuality working together. However, even though Snoke is pulling the strings, he’s still being influenced by Palpatine, who’s grooming him into something more… for himself. That’s my take on what the situation would be.

[@pepperedash4424]

@@nickter745thebold8 That's a more consistent character arc than what the Sequels gave. Which started off as Snoke being the main antagonist that had lived to see the Empire rise and fall and learn from their mistakes, along with the Sith in TFA. To the script being flipped in TLJ with the command structure being retconned from having Kylo, Hux, and Phasma share equal rank directly under Snoke, so as to avoid any attempts at usurpation, to Kylo being next in line because Rian Johnson thought Kylo and Hux squabbling would be funny. And Snoke being reduced to an obstacle for an undeserving underling to take charge as the main antagonist. Then with TRoS; in a vain attempt to salvage the trilogy and at least partially to spite Rian Johnson, Kylo's status as main antagonist is replaced by Sidious. Because let's face it, Kylo isn't main antagonist material as he has already been bested by the main protagonist twice, and is hard to take serious with his frequent temper tantrums. All the while Snoke's position in the trilogy is outright contradicted by having him be created by Sidious somewhere in between TRoJ and TFA. What a mess of a trilogy.

[@chaseimler5258]

Man, I wanna meet the GR75 captain that has, like, 12 Xyston kills painted on their transport

[@cd5sircoupe]

I see the Eravana complaint and I agree with the possible usage, but also consider this. Anyone familiar with Elite:Dangerous could probably see the similarities to the Type-X line of ships. They're generally bulky haulers serving the same role as a freighter in Star Wars. However they can not only be outfitted with weapons, albeit at a disadvantage against similarly sized specialty or multi-role ships, but there are also combat variants of them. The Type-6 Transporter is an early game medium hauler which doesn't fare well in combat (probably more akin to the Quad Jumper here), but it has a version called the Keelback which incorporates more hull strength, additional thrusters, a ship-launched fighter bay (by far the cheapest/smallest ship you can get one on, and SLFs are a huge dps dealer), and possibly a few other different more useful internal compartments or slightly different weapon placement. It's been a few years so I'm a little foggy on the details. I remember that the lore reason for the Keelback was to have a more armed/armored version of the Transporter since there is a whole piracy thing and they wanted something that looked like the civilian version that could fight back. The Type-7 is probably closest to the GR-75 here. It's essentially a medium transporter in terms of specs but has a large ship frame. It's got great durability & cargo space but is absolutely not suited for combat. Hauling & Mining is another story though, thing is great for mid game if that's the route you're going. No combat variant here. The main one relevant to this is the Type-9 Heavy (the analog to the Eravana here). It's one of the largest ships you can get and feels like a cement mixer when flying it. But it's insanely tanky, has an insane amount of storage space to haul goods, and can be outfitted as a turret fortress and also can have SLFs. It's variant, the Type-10 Defender, was introduced during a story arc that required a lot of militarization. It's faster in every regard, has better/more weapons placements (I think this gets it the highest potential dps depending on loadout), highest hull armor of all the ships and really high shields, and keeps the SLF. It's literally a flying fortress, but other stuff can still fly circles around it. But you can literally just sit there and let your auto-turrets & SLFs do the dirty work and not worry.

[@adorimirable]

I love how they thought that a simple asset dump of recognizable ships would be a cool idea.

[@jaywerner8415]

Now if only they had MORE recognizable ships in that fleet. Like seriously most of those ships look like Nebulon bs and MC 75s till you start looking up-close and personal.

[@infinitespace2520]

Now imagine how much time this dumb asset dump of highly detailed models took to render.

[@waxilliumladrian]

Did you expect a nuanced and well thought out decision from this IP?

[@jaywerner8415]

@@waxilliumladrian From Star Wars? yes. From the people that made those movies? NOPE!

[@waxilliumladrian]

@@jaywerner8415 You're right! If it was to the fans and people interested in the story, we would've got a whole other movie. It's the movie industry that damages it in order to make profit

[@konradpietrzak3842]

I remember my father saying that during World War II everything was used as long as it could, even tractors were taken to the front (as the situation in Ukraine shows, they can be quite effective), my grandfather himself was in Ulany and he fought the Germans on horseback. And dont forget how situation look on Axos side when they start loosing war.

[@schaddalton]

I'd suggest that a possible canon reason for a lot of the less useful ships at the battle was simply that when the call went out, when Lando told the Galaxy what was at stake, pilots and ship owners of all walks felt an obligation to contribute. That meant even those whose ships weren't very maneuverable or fast or well-armed decided that they simply couldn't sit out out and had to go and do whatever they could to help defeat Palpatine and the Empire. Even if it meant sacrificing themselves, providing cover for other ships, kamikaze runs, etc.

[@JohanMsWorld]

Cargoships can actually have a lot of usefull uses in a spacebattle. They could: -Carry cargo, ammo, fuel and resuply (obviously). -Carry fighters, tugs, rammers and small ships. -Carry mines, homing missiles and battle droids. -Carry space marines and naval infantry. -Be a command, Control and Intelligence ship. -Act as hospital ships. So they are not useless even if you cant strap a single gun on them. Johan.

[@ML-sc3pt]

Or as much as I hated rebels they showed a great use for cargo ships. Have them carry crates of explosives and drop them in a bombing run

[@sebastianalvaradocolon5983]

Really missed the chance for ILM to make model to make obscure ships like the Dauntless Heavy Cruisers, Assault Frigates and Dreadnought Support Craft Instead we got things like Hynestian Star Cruisers. ( THICC Nebulon B my beloved) Dont get me wrong, I love some of the designs I really like. But why not take some things from legends

[@vaimantobe3034]

@@Blodhelm in this case I would hardly blame JJ. This is a visual effects team thing. The real reason is most likely unfair deadlines necessitating the use of as many pre-existing assets as possible

[@nickter745thebold8]

I know nothing about Legends, so I don’t have anything to say against this.

[@chrissonofpear1384]

At least we did see N-1s, Mandalorian Fang-class fighters, Peltas, U-Wings and a few others.

[@antonisauren8998]

@@chrissonofpear1384 No Peltas? In 5:15 those two in the middle look very similar. :P

[@Daft_Vader]

Bringing the Battle bird to Exogol is like bringing an ancient Greek longboat to a modern naval battle

[@Jedi_Spartan]

5:34 "Again the Rebels have brought a load of unarmed GR-75 Transports to a giant battle." "WHY, what do they do? Is it in case the Rebels get hungry and need a snack and that's where they all are?"

[@nickter745thebold8]

They’re support ships.

[@Sic_Ca_Rax]

Wait... I just noticed a weird point... why are the emp'ed ships spinning while falling? I have played KSP enough to know how something with momentum falls, the X-wing spinning makes sense but massive starships? Why?

[@nickter745thebold8]

Because they’re big and slow.

[@vaimantobe3034]

It's star wars, where ships also explode in the vacuum of space. Even though this takes place in atmosphere, the hard physics aren't exactly realistic

[@samboi123]

@@vaimantobe3034 well I’d think they explode because of the fuel and oxygen within the ships

[@alem1655]

Still would have been kickass if we just saw a hoard of clone wars era capital ships kicking ass

[@kaylahills3760]

It would have been great to see a Venator star destroyers.

[@alem1655]

@@kaylahills3760 yeah

[@samschellhase8831]

5:17 what’s the long spindly ship between the GR-75 and the hammerhead to the left? Looks almost like a giant B-wing had a mechanical issue that couldn’t get unstuck

[@Martian2607]

Do you have a video going over some of the less known ships in the “galaxy fleet”? I saw something that looked like a mix of a nebulon b and an assault frigate that caught my eye

[@sebastianalvaradocolon5983]

Most likely your talking about the Hynestian Star Cruiser. One of the better designs from TROS

[@vaimantobe3034]

I heard some ships in the background are literally blended randomly using an algorithm

[@edenjung9816]

Thanks Eck for this Video. We Had a suprise Celebration for my Brother Yesterday (German time) and partied into the morning, so your Video helps me get down and ready to sleep. In General i want to thank you. Your Videos and especially your voice Eck, Had helped me get to sleep for a Long Time (Same goes for The Hockey Guy). You have such a Nice and smooth voice that it is easy to Fall to sleep Hearing it. Considering that it is hard for me to Fall asleep you helped me a Lot. With my ADD this day was a Bit much. So i got to bed early. And you Help me with it. I am watching you since i graduated high school. And i Love your content. Thus, Thanks a bunch.

[@Meanlucario]

Not every ship can be great, and it's fun to see the bad ones that ended up in places they shouldn't have been.

[@whyjnot420]

I would like to point out something about tugboats in the real world..... they are INCREDIBLY agile. They need to be in order to do their job. This is why tugboats look fat in comparison to fast ships (the wider beam relative to their length enhances agility while impacting top speed, fast ships look more like pencils, very long and thin, but having that huge length means it has to push against all that water when turning, and they are more susceptible to rolling over, also helping to limit their agility). Hell some of the most agile warships ever built were the round so-called pancake ships built for Imperial Russia (agile for their size and time period that is). So if the quad jumper there is meant to be an analog to tugboats, they should be surprisingly agile.

[@Javierotb]

Those ships wouldn't be front line fighters, but rather support ships to serve medical roles, personnel carriers and other cargo/supply roles. Definitely not useless.

[@xionkuriyama5697]

I have a guilty pleasure for this battle, not because it's any good, god no, but because it's literally a kid smashing all their action figures together and making boom noises

[@uberjens]

I generally don't defend TROS in anyway, but I can see several of these ''useless'' ships actually serving a purpose. As this is potentially ''the end'' of the galaxy, several of these ships could be there simply to add numbers for the resistance. More ships equals more targets, and while the the empire(I actually can't even remember what name they went by in this movie lol) would try to focus the bigger threats, it would be really hard to prioritize just on firepower with that many targets. Several of these ships could also probably serve as rescue vessels as well, picking up survivors from damaged ships etc.

[@andrewgreeb916]

The final order is likely not afraid of padded ship numbers, it's the fact they had only capital ships that screwed them over, you need ships to counter fast moving fighters especially if you have known vulnerable points on your capital ships.

[@botblitz1017]

well technology does progress in star wars like Anakin's prosthetic looking like a robot while Luke's prosthetic actually looks like a person

[@pyrosauria7444]

Though I don’t much care for the battle with how lazily it was done, was there any CIS ships even present during the battle? Or even some former Imperial ships repurposed?

[@Gabriel-zy7ee]

There was several Luckerhauls and I think plenty of Vulture droids on thier.

[@nameynamename3758]

why would there be cis ships, most were self driven and the ones that weren't were all probably melted down, like most of the republic ships

[@cheefqueef6494]

@@nameynamename3758 Probably repurposed in some way by small junker/mercenary groups. But again using a bunch of ships from 30 years ago is like North Korea using weapons from the 60s.

[@pyrosauria7444]

@@nameynamename3758 If they have a ship from 25,000 years ago, then some CIS ships would still be good to have here.

[@kaylahills3760]

Agree.

[@pakboris2268]

I think that everyone who took these ships to that battle, were thinking that there will be a ground or boarding battles

[@bryanm498]

From the moment Palpatine launches a lightning Kamehameha capable of disabling half of the two galactic fleets, any ship becomes useless... Unlimited Power. He had already delivered the spoiler!

[@josenicanor5157]

Turns out that the Star Speeder wasn't supposed to be in the movie but it just flew in to the shot to get footage for the tour

[@DIEGhostfish]

Minelaying, EVA rescue, medical ships, or just target saturation. Of course given the Holdo ram NO ship is useless in combat any more.

[@nickter745thebold8]

If, of course, people are willing to go down with said ship during said maneuver.

[@Firepup740]

@@nickter745thebold8 I think I have some battrl droids laying around somewhere just in case.

[@nickter745thebold8]

@@Firepup740 …I don’t know if many survived up to that point.

[@andrewgreeb916]

@@nickter745thebold8 people? Astromechs can pilot ships, have them pull the maneuver

[@whyjnot420]

I think my biggest problem with this battle is that it felt like a wannabe version of the Battle of The Line from Babylon 5.

[@bthsr7113]

I'd honestly have preferred more visible emphasis on common ships and less recycled capital ships. To truly emphasize that the galaxy as a whole has realized they must take a stand, and with one voice say, "No more." The common people, the smugglers, the planetary militias, and yes, a few capital ships that had scattered to fight another day. Oh sure they'd suffer hideous casualties, especially the first handfuls to arrive, but as the trickle became a flood, the Final Order (Blech!, just so try hard) would find that their efforts to grip the galaxy with ultimate force had backfired. Considering the lack of shields on Exegol, ships would be able to punch well above their weight, and most of them wouldn't have lasted much longer with shields anyway. A fighter from a planetary militia or bounty hunter could go straight to killing cannons and bridge crews. That heavy freighter may have been beyond Han's means to modify, but I could see that space being used to house some salacious systems. It would be difficult and you'd need either prolific salvage of battlefield or enormous investments in the black market. The pocket carrier would be easier and more obvious, but you said that one, so I had to consider cut down warship cannons and a bunch of power supplies. Or packing the cargo pods with mines, missiles, or torpedoes. Also, throwing cargo if you're genuinely so lacking in means after getting this clunker, yet still determined to do the right thing. I disagree that many fighters wouldn't have hyperdrives. This is the New Republic era after all. I could easily see pirates, militias, bounty hunters, concerned citizens, criminal groups, and actual New Republic forces having hyperdrive equipped fighters. The tugs could drag debris around to inflict more damage, they could pull the stupid star destroyers out of position, and they could help friendlies maneuver, especially if friendlies were damaged. I'd assume some of the GR75 weapons were stock for self defense purposed, and they just modded them with what they had to best fit what they needed. Yes, they'd get hammered, but I could see them showing up out of dedication and at least drawing fire for a few precious seconds. Museum owner/collector wanted to make history instead of study and store it. Also, a lack of shields would be less detrimental here. Unless it was modded for urban combat or turned into a one salvo missile/torpedo boat, the most I can see the bus doing is landing marines by virtue of being ignored for more important targets. Which could actually be useful. Or maybe use it to release chaff.

[@saintsman2010]

Amazing how none of the ships collided into each other, especially with how congested the air space was and ships were constantly coming out of hyperspace

[@Wally480]

No not negative. It was a good smirk noticing how many ships there must of just been cannon fodder. Gotta hand it to Lando for laying on that charm!

[@ShizaruBloodrayne]

I feel like there wasn't much thought into what ships would be there. Rather they just needed a variety of filler to cover the screen. The biggest problem I have with the sequel trilogy, like most movies these days, is that you aren't supposed to think about it. You're supposed to just process the visuals and move on and forget about everything the second the movie ends lmao

[@jasoethesentienteyeshapedg4847]

Eckhart uploaded a new video. Disney trilogy...again. *This is where the fun begins~.*

[@lemonhead0728]

The fact that they added all these old ships from lore and even going as far as adding the star tours vehicle is pretty cool to me

[@MM-qz3eh]

well i mean the cargo ships could be used to launch containers and rocks at the fleet either to scater fire or damage surface hard points

[@erikm8373]

All these ships served a very important purpose: when they're being shot at, that means one less useful ship is being shot at

[@matrix-5466]

Little offended you didn't include the Resistance Bombers in that category. Those thing were complete shit in the Last Jedi!

[@Spacemonkeynz]

They still saved the day. Without them the resistance would have been destroyed.

[@MouldMadeMind]

@@Spacemonkeynz this makes it only worse.

[@goldenhorde6944]

They were deployed too close together and their shields weren't up, there's no reason to think they wouldn't have been more effective with better planning.

[@MouldMadeMind]

@@goldenhorde6944 let me gues a book writer had to come up with that excuse.

[@goldenhorde6944]

@@MouldMadeMind no that's literally just what happened on screen

[@michaelramon2411]

This is total headcanon, but I like to think that the Galaxy Fleet was callsigned "Skywalker Force." It's like a triple pun, and would make sense in universe.

[@jakedempsey3809]

Eck you clearly misunderstand the power of emotional support. FR though that scene could've been so cool but it's not even a battle, a bunch of ships just show up and then it jumps to Rey and Ben

[@PetesHQ]

I feel a lot of those ships in that fleet where useless

[@g11operator]

I’m very sure I saw an republic medical transport ship fly over the camera before landing at the resistance base in the movie at 2:02

[@derrickstorm6976]

Well maybe a ship got a booboo and needed a bandage :3

[@roger632]

The bigger Republic age ship seen in the sky above the Resistance base at 2:00 (it's basically an upgraded medical frigate) specifically, it is the same exact model first seen in the Rebels series, it was utilized by Commander Sato of the small rebel cell known as Phoenix squadron.

[@kaylahills3760]

At least that ship made it into the movie, I was looking all over for the Venator star destroyers but I did not see any.

[@roger632]

@@kaylahills3760 Yeah, Separatist frigates and dreadnoughts would've also been nice to see.

[@granatmof]

Honestly if you put it in context of stakes and who's involved, there's very much a Ukrainian tractor vibe to the inclusion of some of the ships.

[@ParaspriteHugger]

You have a useless mass freighter with tons of shipping containers in pull, you have a load of tiny, nimble tugs with four giant engines on them, so using the containers as ammunition against the static targets would have been an option - similar to what Iron Squadron did over Mykapo.

[@thorakvideos2495]

Ok, now we need the 5 MOST usefull ships at the battle of Exegol!

[@lastprimaris7914]

I think those freighters definitely served as fighter carriers since they had no defence weapons but had plenty of space for fighter ships

[@dylanking6871]

One purpose of having excess ships, even unarmed ones, is simply to add extra targets and soak up some fire. If there are 20 targets coming at you but only 3 are dangerous to you, you have find and focus on those 3 and hope none of the others have any surprises in store. If one important ship is in danger and needs cover, another ship (something large and tanky, but lightly manned) can physically shield them to give them time recover. In Halo, the UNSC did this with a medical station in the first space battle they actually won against the Covenant. 'Course I would imagine the Galaxy fleet very disorganized for the most part. But it still would have been a lot for the Sith fleet.

[@Nr15121]

Yeah it’s like using decoy weapons fighters irl have glide missiles they can fire that match their radar signatures and just soak up Sams and clutter up the enemies radar

[@eyepatchpirate7726]

Perhaps the freighters and transports were transporting ground forces or other ground equipment, just like the GR70 at the battle of Endor?

[@floridaflight8454]

Bruh that one scene were all the ships get blasted by palps you see at least 3 mc75s and it looks ridiculous. I adore seeing the mc75 but this looks to funny 😆

[@CognetoBurrito]

To be honest, you could probably combine the first two to make effective ship-sized battering rams, assuming they have any level of plot armour to not die before they get close.

[@gamemode_cat6606]

One use for the quadjumper might be to attach tow cables onto star destroyers and pull them into each other.

[@nickter745thebold8]

They’re that strong? Dang.

[@Llortnerof]

@@nickter745thebold8 Not with their jet engines, they aren't. Seriously, those engines are completely nonsensical.

[@waxilliumladrian]

@@Llortnerof They could be used closed cycled, but the designers forgot the fuel tanks :D Let's assume it's some scifi stuff we can't comprehend

[@roguerifter9724]

I still want to know who thought the idea of Han flying an unarmed ship instead of having some guns bolted on ASAP as soon as he got the ship made sense.

[@ryanfreedman6348]

In the X-Wing minis game, the quadjumper has some weapons. I know it’s not canon but I picture it as having some sort of weaponry

[@ceilyurie856]

strap an ex power generator and a weapon turret inside3 a standard cargo pod, slap one on the dorsal, one on the ventral side, and you got a small gunship that can move fast in a straight line

[@JustinGann]

An interesting thing I noticed on Wookieepedia states this about the Baleen-Class Heavy Freighter: "Baleen-class freighters were about 400 meters long and were quite clumsy, but were capable of moving large amounts of cargo across the galaxy every day, and consequently, were essential to commerce. Their forward compartment could be opened in transit and used to salvage items found drifting in space, even entire starships. Built in orbital shipyards, ships of the class were designed to never enter a planet's atmosphere, instead they were docked at space stations and transfer yards to load and unload cargo." So, I wonder how the resistance would have modified them in such a hurry to enter the atmosphere. However, I do think it makes sense that they would act as carriers of sorts for this battle, carrying ships just like you mentioned.

[@Mobius_118]

How the hell were there no Starhawks? You know, the ones that can one-shot a Star Destroyer? It's not like they're non-cannon, unlike the Executor SSD the NR had captured in the EU.

[@coreymicallef365]

No ships are totally useless in a battle, at the very least each one can soak up at least on shot.

[@hayleyglyphs]

which reborn Emperor had the better fleet and grand plan? Dark Empire Palpatine(s) or Rise of Skywalker Sheev?

[@twixidust5819]

Pretty sure the most useless ship was the entire star destroyer fleet...

[@CountKibblesNBits]

One thing that annoyed me is that the Xyston Star Destroyers are essentially bigger Imperials with presumably more weapons and thicker armor. And we know that shields dont work do to Exegol's atmosphere. Which means the galaxy fleet wouldn't have shields either. The galaxy fleet should have suffered horrific losses when charging the Final Order fleet. They would eventually win, but it would have been with great sacrifice.

[@nickter745thebold8]

Wait, Exegol prevented shields?

[@eugenehoitt3250]

So the mirror armor would have worked?

[@CountKibblesNBits]

Yeah the perpetual lightning storms that charged the atmosphere didn't like shields. Poe make a statement that shields and navigation computers don't work in the planet's atmosphere, in the movie. Later novelizations and other material attribute this to the volatile atmospheric conditions.

[@nickter745thebold8]

@@CountKibblesNBits Dang. Didn’t know environments like that existed.

[@LudosErgoSum]

The Battle of Exegol is the biggest asset flip in Galactic History!

[@sirhenry9313]

No ship is useless if you ram the enemy hard enough....

[@nickter745thebold8]

Take the A-wing that took out the Executor’s bridge for example.

[@charlietheunicorn5383]

25000 year old ships or vessels utilized during the battle of Exegol. Good Good!

[@SebeastMr-zh4px]

Lego made a better starwars movie than Disney

[@arabicnokiaringtone3435]

the galaxy fleet is the definition of "random bullshit, GO!"

[@Brickticks]

The worst ship at the battle….. Was the one with the two giant cartoon mouse ears. Still, if they ever do a remaster of this scene, do you think my ship could make it in from No Man’s Sky?

[@bthsr7113]

Stop it. Disney botched this one yes, but they also gave us the Mandalorian, bothe the good and bad parts of Book of Boba Fett, Bad batch, Rogue One, and Solo. They're not all good or bad. Because there are a lot of people working on these.

[@stijnVDA1994]

Honestly the galaxy fleet felt like that enourmous group of Pokémon, in pokémon 2 or also called 2000. Most didn't have a thing to do there, but they wanted to be there..

[@josephfarkas1639]

The whole sequel trilogy was useless! Wasn’t good in any way other than Kylo was cool but kind of Anikan 2.0 and BB8 and that’s it

[@randomlyentertaining8287]

It makes perfect sense for unarmed ships to show up, since apparently you can just ram into the enemy at lightspeed and poof. The "Galaxy Fleet" would've been cool had the movie actually had a good story and had hyped up the fact the fleet exists instead of just poofing it into existance.

[@skorpianplaysgames6959]

id love to see a reverse of this, where you list your favourite ships/star fighters at Exegol

[@UGNAvalon]

I’d love to see a Lower Decks-esque comedy short about those poor Starbus drivers who had to strap blasters onto their vehicles before flying into a complete mess of a battle with zero intel.

[@lucamarvinfritz1293]

I think, that maybe, many cargo ships in this battle were used as that; cargo ships,carrying ammunition, fuel and other usefull stuff

[@PolluxPavonis]

Is incredible how ridiculous this movie is, even in the smallest details, wow.

[@shang9054]

I would love to see a good fan film about the people of the galaxy's reaction to the destruction of Kijimi and how they assemble the exogol fleet

[@wij2012Gaming]

The freighter class mentioned first may not have the firepower, but they do have the mass.

[@andrewgreeb916]

If only there was some way to get that mass moving very quickly into an enemy vessel

[@chrisnewer3845]

Regarding 1st ship you have huge frontal bay on these freighters. Stick it full of missile or torpedo tubes and some basic FCS and you have a passable Q ship.

[@bluebirbjayy]

Why do I enjoy the idea of a swarm of Quadjumpers ganging up on a Star Destroyer, pulling a Hammerhead Corvette, and dragging said Star Destroyer into something big and vaguely important to the battle.

[@SephirothRyu]

I mean, at least they didn't use clow...er, CLOUD cars!

[@smilingnid4276]

Rolling up to battle of Jutland in a greek Trireme.