Why didn't the FORERUNNERS save themselves from the HALOS (or reseed their species)? | Halo Lore

[@fordprefect5974]

ironic. they could save others from death but not themselves.

[@furiousretribution4]

Ford Prefect Is it possible to learn this power?

[@randycheow4268]

Not from the forerunners themselves

[@fordprefect5974]

its not a story the prophets would tell you

[@blackrazorfilms]

@@fordprefect5974 The Precursors, taught the Forerunners everything they knew.

[@fordprefect5974]

*VISIBLE CONCERN*

[@eztebandavidkrj3477]

"WE deserve to be forgotten"... "Perhaps" - One monitor to another 📈📉🗿

[@jonasb104]

Plot twist: 343 Guilty Spark, who was a member of this conversation if I remember correctly, was actually a digitalised human.

[@negativevalue5195]

🗿

[@aweirdbiscuit2367]

@@jonasb104 it's between him and abject testament in the anniversary terminals

[@Lachdonin]

@@jonasb104 He was actually thousands of digitized humans.

[@hydrasfang]

Read the forerunner trilogy he was a human called chaukus if I'm spelling it right. His body was so badly hurt he had to be recreated in AI to live. That's if I remember correctly.

[@HaloCanon]

Great video, though if I may offer a minor correction: the Builder you talk about towards the end is not alive, or not flesh & blood, at the time of Halo 5. He uploaded his consciousness into the Domain during the final days of the Forerunner-Flood war.

[@gabrielvelasco3551]

Last time I was this early alderaan was still a planet

[@adalfyre7937]

Oof

[@darthfenrir4892]

Yeah, then that mining disaster happened and sadly DS-1 couldn't pick up any survivors because they were all gone. Such a sad day.

[@spartangoku7610]

Darth Fenrir489 what exactly is DS-1’s purpose, from your point of view?

[@darthfenrir4892]

@@spartangoku7610 It's not my place to question the Moffs.

[@YoungSlim51]

:(

[@blue1764]

All this started because the forerunners had daddy issues with the precursors.

[@keirfarnum6811]

Who themselves destroyed their creators, the “Originators”. Who also had done the same to the “Befores”.

[@ryanrzjr]

@@keirfarnum6811 Are you joking?

[@bazooka422]

@@ryanrzjr I don’t think he is

[@evanboll4651]

@@keirfarnum6811 Where'd you hear that?

[@Mr.Scott86]

@@keirfarnum6811 what the fuck are you talking about

[@tankerlutz11]

What I would like to see in the new upcoming Halo games is relics of ancient humanity. we know that they were spanning across thousands of worlds and their technology was on par with the forerunners. Maybe some human saved themselves and left the Galaxy or developed some technology on a world to Shield themselves. I would love for ancient humanity to come into contact with the UNSC. It would be a clash of cultures, a clash of technology, a clash of ideals and basically human beings meeting each other with thousands of years of technological engenius separating them. That would be so cool.

[@pastordonkoh7692]

I also like the idea of a faction of ancient humanity becoming the enemy in a way that makes them betray the mantle, betray their former ideals on preserving lifd and puts them on a collision path with modern humanity. An outcome that redeems forerunners and in a brilliant conclusion, one that sees modern humanity become the holders of the mantel. In this story the faction Ancient humans that escaped the Didact return to the galaxy with the intent to exact retribution, exterminate the last forerunners and reclaim the galaxy. Modern humanity is put in a difficult dilemma. Not only do you have *ONI* who intend on working with Ancient humans to achieve their goals, but you also have the UNSC with figures like Admiral Hood who oppose ancient humanity. A conflict that would tear apart the UNSC and split humanity into different allegiances. Would be very interesting.

[@masterchief5315]

@@pastordonkoh7692 trust me, that won't be interesting seeing our best Spartans get killed in the war with no effort and our ships gets wrecked by them

[@Thuazabi]

@@masterchief5315 If MC can be written to beat a Forerunner, he can be written to beat an Ancient Human offshoot. Fiction doesn't have to conform to the most likely outcomes.

[@twiddlerat9920]

Forerunners erased every single thing they made

[@ur-didact1991]

@@Thuazabi with bad writings or unless chief becomes something else

[@M1CAustin]

Forerunner logic: -Allows their species to die out so another (humans) can take on the mantle of responsibility. -Leaves the only Forerunner (Didact) alive that wants to destroy humans

[@casecao8412]

Well yes, but actually no. -The decision to leave the Didact alive was not made via unanimous vote by the forerunner council (cause they're all dead) , it was made by his wife, the librarian. - She believed by searching through the domain, the Didact would learn to love humanity and educate them in the ways of their people (that's obviously not how things played out).

[@BLOrtega]

To be fair the Forerunner council couldn't really decide the fate of the Didact as well unsurprisingly most of them retreated into the Domain or were consumed by the Flood

[@natethegreat7967]

@@casecao8412 The Librarian learned too late that the Domain was also a neural physics creation of the Precursors, and its destruction by the Halo Array ensured that the Didact would go insane and develop his life-hating philosophy.

[@warcrimes390]

The librarians original plan was for the didact to meditate in the domain and learn to like humans but the halos fucked that plan in all 3 holes

[@carloshicks9495]

@@natethegreat7967 I thought the gravemind drove didact insane?

[@jonathanoriley8260]

That's because, in the _original_ Bungie lore, Humanity _was_ the reseeded Forerunners, hence why were were called the "Reclaimers" - we were _reclaiming what was once ours._ This also better explained why Guilty Spark spoke to Chief the way he did better than blaming it on Rampancy.

[@redknight344]

Yeah for me 343 industries horrible expanded lore did the same to halo as the new disney lore did to star wars

[@cringekiller348]

The Bungie lore was completely stupid. If forerunners were humans , then why did they leave us in such a primitive state with no technology. It's almost as if forerunners didn't want the humans to survive.

[@jonathanoriley8260]

@@cringekiller348 None of the races that were reseeded maintained their technology. The Forerunners in Bungie lore were supposed to be wise caretakers of the galaxy. It only makes sense that they would believe Humanity needed to rise up again of its own volition and given time to culturally socially develop, so as Humanity may _earn_ the Mantle of Responsibility rather than simply be _given_ it. After all, if Humanity did not earn its right to the Mantle, then they'd turn out more like the Covenant than the wise caretakers they are supposed to be. It's not stupid at all.

[@spartanjohn-1176]

​@@jonathanoriley8260is stupid.

[@fluffiestmallard6484]

​@@cringekiller348 Because everyone died. There's no knowledge of these creations or anything else. They were reset right to the beginning

[@Jessie_Helms]

Last time I was this early Bethesda was a beloved and respected developer with a loyal and loving fan base.

[@christiang19]

So never

[@RJALEXANDER777]

People loved DOOM 2016 as well. The problem with Fallout 76 is that they got both lazy and greedy - ending up with a bare-bones, glitchy game with loads of microtransactions.

[@Overlord_MW2]

A newcomer!

[@Jessie_Helms]

Jackal Sniper ..... I don’t get it XD

[@jamesloftus324]

I admit fallout 76 wasn't as good as their previous games but I still enjoy playing it

[@IrishPhoenix7]

The forerunners has so much to feel bad about so i don’t blame them for not wanting to return, I guess it takes the galaxy to be nearly wiped out for them to realize they goofed

[@herropreaseherro7870]

Well technically the Ancient humans done goofed first for experimenting with the corrupted dust of the precursors on animals which then mutated into the flood. They were forced into forerunner territory by the flood and the Forerunners mistakenly thought humanity was invading. When they realized what was going on it was already too late.

[@captiancholera8459]

@@herropreaseherro7870 I mean can you really blame US of all species for experimenting on some weird dusty shit we find on a random planet?

[@jesussilva201]

@@captiancholera8459 Yes. You don't touch anything from a unknown origin and use it as food for you pets. Not mentioning that humanity never warned the Forerunners about the Flood. They directly attacked infested worlds without a second thought. The Forerunners did a lot of fuck up things for sure but the Flood infestation and the Forerunner-Human war wasn't their fault. We started all that shit and risked the galaxy in that period of time

[@captiancholera8459]

@@jesussilva201 woah, calm down there story writer. I was making a joke.

[@jesussilva201]

@@captiancholera8459 Yes sorry man. Now i realized that you were been sarcastic 😅

[@100_American_Bison]

ODSTs vs N7 and UNSC Marines vs System Alliance Marines

[@ZeroQ2012]

I don’t know about technology but even if mass effect is superior I’ll still give it to the unsc the halo humans have more battle experience after all. the biggest war sa had (before the reapers )only lasted few months with less than a thousand dead and every battle since was against slavers and pirates (and they lost some of them😑) the halo humans wars are more numerous and devastating and when they lost they did because they were outnumbered and outgunned the sa military is always mocked in canon for being weak and incompetent the matchup I wanna see is asari commandos or turian blackwatch vs unsc forces and maybe stg vs oni

[@somerandomguy8491]

@@ZeroQ2012 maybe stg agaisnt headhunters?

[@horusdark4343]

N7

[@1215298]

The Systems Alliance marines would slaughter the UNSC Marines generally speaking and specific circumstances not withstanding; they aren't mocked. In canon, they are hugely respected as they're the only military power that could contend with the modern Turian Hierachy in their versatility. They have massive amounts of drones for reconnaissance, all their vehicles have shielding and most have minitaure MAC cannons on them (Mako, Grizzly etc) and all their troops have shielding. Even if we assume a bog-standard squad vs squad match, it would go to the Alliance easily: they'd have shielding, access to tech attacks via omni-tool capable of disabling enemy offensive capabilities (or, if on hand, mod ammunition into specialist types: radioactive isotope, explosive, cryo etc) and they have superior full body armour capable of self healing or even full self repair if given time to do it. The main reason they lost against slavers was the need to protect civilians, their adherence to "moral combat" and the fact that the slavers had access to old batarian military space ships (which at the time, were only slightly sub-par to alliance vessels due to their "rag tag" nature). This is all assuming that biotics are excluded from said matchup.

[@ZeroQ2012]

Jordan Beeney no they were mocked did you miss the part when garrus tell turian jokes and how humanity is considered the french of the galaxy?? Its even said so in the codex that if it wasn’t for the asari stopping the war before it started humans would have been squashed the humans are not respected for defeating the turians because they didn’t the “war” only lasted few months and humans are the only one who lost a world in it and even then they keep calling it war when others species call it incident lets face it modern day earth will not call it war either And then what did they do ? they joined the very same alien that attracted them and joined as the inferior member they failed their own colonies when the slavers and collectors attacked and worst of all they are the only ones to appended their homeworld and run the very idea of cerberus came to be because of a lost faith in the sa leadership and that is one of the plots in the story the unsc are the same but for deferent reason they lost people faith for being a little tyrants sa can have as many drones as they want you cant defeat an enemy four time your populations especially with how tiny sa army is (the reason they depend on drones in the first place )and the level of industry that comes from eight hundred colonies where sa have only dozen and not one of them made it to the billion mark as for mac you do realize that if halo were to have a deferent name it probably be mac gun they put it in everything and is way more powerful than sa counterpart look it the wiki if you don’t believe me I know you are a mass effect fan and probably think I’m halo one but truth is I can’t stand first shooter games I’m mass effect fan first and foremost but im not gonna lie about it and change its history to make the game i love superior to others sorry but the entire plot of mass effect is stagnation I honestly don’t understand fans who want it to be more than it is their was one guy who tried to convince me that mass effect can easily squash warhammer 40k...... he was serious

[@rainyriderr1112]

I mainly watch these videos for the doggo outro tbh

[@codename1176]

RainyRiderR1 same here

[@ComradeDragon1957]

same.

[@miggle8547]

People watch the videos?

[@Tsquid61]

Could the meddelers be extra galactic forerunners? Maybe with the years of exile, the technology changed . #AskEck

[@spartangoku7610]

TimidestSquid 61 that’s probably the most logical theory I’ve heard yet.

[@AsrielDreemurYT653]

Please respond to this eck

[@AsrielDreemurYT653]

I need to know

[@cheesegreater5739]

I think the Meddlers are just a name for any species that meddled. Could of been forerunners, a completely new species or even some unggoy after extra special gas

[@sumreensultana1860]

@@cheesegreater5739 or just A Precursor bored as fuk

[@barrybend7189]

I think because they mostly thought its they're sacrifice to save the other races. Also I think they felt they are no longer worthy of the mantle.

[@tannersmith8415]

Barry Bend they were never worthy of the mantle to begin with. The precursors wanted humanity to uphold the mantle and that’s why the forerunners fought against their creators (precursors) in the first place. Which resulted in the precursors breaking themselves down into the flood.

[@cominguponinfra-red3038]

Replicators vs a Unified Star Wars universe (429th try now, *_I._** WILL NEEEEVER EEEVER GIVE UP!!!)*

[@WailingSpider]

Replicators, as in Stargate? No contest. Them

[@KitchenSinkSoup]

a #AskEck

[@UGNAvalon]

I actually did three #AskEck posts asking for his thoughts on repeat comments like this one. Hopefully he can address this sometime soon.

[@psyco829]

Not sure he knows much about the Stargate Universe. Has he mentioned them before?

[@dojokonojo]

The Replicators were only beaten because of the knowledge stored in the Ancient Repository. There isn't any of those in the Star Wars Galaxy. Replicators win.

[@gatekeeping8528]

I'd like to see more of ancient humans and their technology,. We've just seen some ships and a city

[@somegamer1891]

Yup

[@ethanbates2592]

That music combined with the story was pretty depressing... they did kinda deserve it though...

[@ethanbates2592]

@Tyrell Suraiya yeah but if they didn't murder the precursors in the first place we wouldn't be having this problem... it's sad that everyone died but its completely the forerunners fault

[@ethanbates2592]

@Tyrell Suraiya it doesn't matter whether or not the precursors can be wiped out or not. The forerunners killed some of them which resulted in the creation of the flood so my point remains that they got what was coming to them that's all (by the way this is my first youtube comment debate... how am I doing?)

[@spartandelta2756]

+Ethan Bates I believe the music is "Never Forget" from Halo 3. Assuming I am correct, there is a 1 hour version and 10 hour version. It is some very emotional music, but at times too subtle to get enough of an emotional reaction from me.

[@ethanbates2592]

@@spartandelta2756 thanks for telling me the name! I knew I heard it from somewhere I just couldn't place my finger on it!

[@physical_insanity]

@@ethanbates2592 You're doing good for a 14 year old. Just remember to stay civil and most discussions won't devolve horribly.

[@zeni104]

Also another point to mention is that before the attack on their capital, they though there was no need to catalog themselves. They had the shield worlds and thought they would survive.

[@alexgroot2508]

I love how you used the music in this clip. I think the Forerunners may have been a little too hard on themselves. If all species deserved a second chance after the firing of the Array, so did they. Yes they had failed spectacularly in upholding the Mantle and had often acted only for the sake of the Forerunners and not for the other species in the galaxy. But Humanity had been little better, nor had the San'shyuum. It would have been justifiable to reseed the forerunners as a species and have them start at the same level as the others, tier 7, and for the remaining advanced forerunners to retreat, only potentially interfering if the Flood returned and ohterwise leaving well enough alone. As to whether or not they will return in some capacity, I think so. With Humanity progressing to become a tier 2 civilization and the Covenant still being broken, the enemies that seemed so powerful in the past will become ever more irrelevant. Real life forerunners mobilizing their tech to revive themselves would add an intresting new faction to the mix would allow for new antagonists that are actually threatening to Humanity, much like the Covenant was in its glory days.

[@opticalraven1935]

That's because they tried to take something that wasn't theirs to take. The Mantke was to go to the humans but the Forerunners got mad and tried to commit mass genocide against the Precursors. Precursors that didn't die either went into hiding or eventually became the Flood (the Flood was the Precursors revenge plan). They caused the problem.

[@theredpanda3729]

Wait... This wasn't A... does this mean humanity is evolving?

[@casbah2075]

TheRedPanda37 do you mean in Halo lore or irl? Answer is both yes. Humans in halo were devolved after forerunner-human war. And yes, humans are still evolving today.

[@fenrisvermundr2516]

Evolutions, a natural process. But it's not exactly the Fastest. You can reach your Potential. With just a Little Help. Sorry, it reminded me of this Song.

[@BeastinlosersHD]

@@casbah2075 In what ways were they devolved. I thought they were stripped of their technology and memory of advanced tech.

[@Quintonias]

@@BeastinlosersHD I believe, based on what you see during the scene that explains this particular part of the lore, they were depicted as having been physically devolved, seeing as the mouths seem to be more ape-like in some scenes. I honestly don't know if it's been directly stated but, if I'm being honest, Halo 4 didn't do too well when it came to explaining confusing parts of its story.

[@casbah2075]

@Beastinlosers ripped straight from the Halopedia "Members of the most predominant human species of this era (retroactively known as "ancient humans" and scientifically designated archeohomina [5]) were on average larger, stronger, and significantly more intelligent than modern humans." And "they ultimately suffered a disastrous defeat against the Forerunners and were subsequently regressed into hunter-gatherers, confined to their ancient homeworld." So you are correct with technology, but I also would like to state a species can be considered more evolved by the technology they can develop. Look at real world ancient humans.

[@godzilla5006]

Best Robots (A.I.) Forerunner Machines (halo) Reapers (Mass Effect) Cybertronions (Transformers) Chariot Faro (Hzd)

[@grandadmiralthrawn8116]

Android 16 would take them all on at the same time.

[@ganon01ryanoutsen92]

Vex from Destiny can be best robots

[@RestrictedHades]

Drodeikas (star wars)

[@grandadmiralthrawn8116]

@@ganon01ryanoutsen92 I think the vex are closer to cyborgs considering that they're partly organic

[@KillerofGods]

Cylon toasters are a classic.

[@theredpanda3729]

How aware are you of "The Culture", from Ian Banks books? You talked about them once, but I am curious what you think of them. They have always (since I read the books) been my favorite sci-fi faction, and one of the few that aren't Science Fantasy. #askEck

[@moosepwn]

Amazing series. I love that people get so bored in their utopia that they become Special Ops for something to do.

[@VeritasVortex]

Doesn't reseed themselves to no longer meddle with the galaxy. Leaves behind a ton of advanced technology and weapons that end up in the hands of genocidal aliens.

[@voicefreedom9085]

latin

[@VeritasVortex]

@@voicefreedom9085 ?

[@AneurysmSauce]

Forerunners don’t need to come back. The Halo franchise is already kinda in a mess right now and I don’t think forerunners are the solution to that mess. However, if there is a halo wars 3 that takes place after another long span of cryo-sleep, I think that bringing a forerunner or two out of hiding around 2575 would be the most sensible option, as 343 needs to finish up the current conflict before moving to anything more serious.

[@user-oo3oi9ki2j]

We already got the Didact who could have served as the main villain for all of 343s Trilogy, BUT NO HE DIED IN A FUCKING COMIC LIKE A GRUNT

[@AneurysmSauce]

Tim W. Sorry I have a personal vendetta against comics. However, I’ve read every Halo novel written thus far. By my knowledge, MC smashed him with a composer grenade. How’d he die in a comic? You see, I kinda gotta know

[@user-oo3oi9ki2j]

@@AneurysmSauce I didnt read it myself but saw it in a video some time ago. The Didact get teleported after H4 to another location, (I was sooo happy when i discovered that as he really seemed to be the villain for their whole recalimer saga, you know reclaiming the mantle from the Didact) I honestly dont know if it was a ring or just another instalation, but somehow MC winds up there, puts a knife in the Didacts eye and kills him. The end. Thats a very very rough description, it was such a long time ago haha.

[@AneurysmSauce]

Tim W. Ha gotcha. Yea, why couldn’t they take the time to animate that? It makes sense. The grenade would’ve EMPd the Didacts armor, rendering him technologically inferior to MC. Only like 20 more seconds of additional content

[@andrewjazdzyk1215]

The knife to the eye DIDNT kill him though. To kill him the chief literally detached a halo segment and sent him into a planet

[@sidharthbabu5128]

Any thoughts on what were the Precursors's motivations thoeughout the silentium series? From my understanding, precursors created sentient life, tested their compatibility to the mantle, wiped them clean if they failed or should they perhaps succed, allow them to transcend sentient life and become the "Precursors" to continue the next cycle/test on the next sentinent species. Ultimately its implied by the Gravemind that after 400 billion years of godhood, they were suprised that that the forerunners would attack them and proceeded to allow the forerunners to kill them. However I'm not certain exactly if every Precursor was killed when "fleeing" from the ancient Forerunner fleet, but I presume that it was merely a subsection of the greater whole that's elsewhere in the greater universe. I suspect that that the transcition to being a flood and the sealing of the Timeless one was the final test on the Forerunners to see if they truly stayed true to the ideas of the mantle, should they fail(which i resume they did, due to their actions in the forerunner-human war and their belief of "imperial peace"), result in their extinction via the Flood, a weapon tailored made to defeat the Forerunners. Following this the Halo array is to be fired, resetting the board and allowing a new cycle to commence, by which I suspect humanity would be one now tested.

[@kybercat7]

Deathstar vs blackstone fortress I will never give up!

[@Groundbreaker300]

I'm sure anceint human empire remnant are still out there

[@ryanalving3785]

Rather irresponsible to leave galaxy sterilizing superweapons around unattended with some rather intransigent artificial intelligences waiting to bring them back on line. The least they could have done would be to destroy the halos after firing.

[@reentrysfs6317]

The flood going back was still something they could not risk And they did make activation only possable to humans

[@CloroxBleach-qy7vy]

I mean they still had the monitors to oversee their tech for years

[@ryanalving3785]

@@CloroxBleach-qy7vy who inevitably went insane from isolation, while also keeping alive numerous flood organisms throughout the centuries, thereby defeating the purpose of the entire exercise. Had they abandoned all research on the flood, and allowed all specimens to decay, then detonated the Halo rings, upon confirmation by the monitors that the flood had been eliminated, the entire conflict of the games would be easily avoidable. There may have been a human-covenant war, but not an existential threat to life in the galaxy. If the argument was that they needed the rings as a contingency in case the flood survived the plan somehow outside the containment areas, I would point out that such an eventuality removes the Halo rings as a viable solution to the flood problem anyway, as it would be demonstrative proof the plan doesn't work, and new options have to be considered. It would even be possible to keep the flood specimens alive long enough for the monitors to perform all scheduled testing, and only then purge the last of them, and then detonate the rings. The monitors could then be tasked with identifying possible alternative plans for dealing with the flood as a contingency, in the event of the Halo plan's failure. It just seems like the plan was doomed from the start.

[@CommanderHuggins]

Eh frankly I personally think the whole ancient backstory introduced with Halo 4 is kind of unnecessary. It’s a big, convoluted jumble of factoids that are difficult to follow. Throughout Halo 1-3 I had the question lingering in the back of my mind. Why didn’t the Forerunners come back? But for me that question was answered not by a huge backstory but by a single line of dialogue from Guilty Spark. “You are Forerunner.”

[@AtrociousAK47]

Man that halo 3 theme hits me right in the feels, makes me remember when i first got a 360 and the game for christmas in like 2008 and booted up xbl for the very first time (back when xbox had the blades guide menu), being totally blown away by the prospect of playing and talking with someome potentially on the otherside of the world. I pretty much stopped playing halo after getting into cod waw since i started to hate it for not having things like sprinting, aiming down the sight, and players dieing in 3-4 shots rather than 2 mags (since it took atleast a mag just to down your shields). I loved reach because it played more like halo pc, but i was about a year late due to being punished by my folks and my dad's stubborn insistance that i play some boring baseball game rather than "the killing games". Never finished the campaign for 4 nor played spartan ops (due in part to no internet access at the time), and never got into multiplayer cause i didnt have my legendary goodies to give me something other than default (since ranking up to unlock shit takes ages). Lost interest in the new games because i couldnt get into the story of 4 and i heard 5 was garbage (campaign only a couple hours long with a cliffhanger story that made little sense, and no split screen co-op). Halo wars was my 3rd favorite after halo custom edition and reach, while odst was probably my least favorite gameplay wise (although still more memorable than 4, especially after watching firefly)

[@Jessie_Helms]

Hey Eck, what’s your thoughts on Disney claiming Star Wars Theory’s Fan Film? #AskEck

[@gimpsickle5806]

Justin Helms what

[@SkirmisherKal]

@@gimpsickle5806 Disney claimed a fan made film and are making revenue off it.

[@Jessie_Helms]

Gimp Sickle Star Wars Theory, the largest Star Wars YT channel, made a Fan Film (it was like $60,000 and took several months. It’s studio grade production). He didn’t monetize it per Lucasfilm’s policy, but Disney claimed his ENTIRE video because 1 original composition was too similar to the Imperial March for their liking.

[@JohnnyRumpassBuns]

@@Jessie_Helms And then Disney monetized it because of greed and a fan made a better film then the ones they have

[@EchthelionII]

It has been taken off now thanks to Lucasfilm.

[@Hexomazer]

Halo universe after firing the halo array: I don’t feel so good...

[@DylanBegazo]

You know what’s funny? Imagine you’re Forerunner and you appreciate all the technology and advancement you have at your disposal, then you lose everything and gotta start from scratch aka rediscover fire again.... that’s like playing an entire game on legendary and forgetting to save at least once 😂 Conclusion: don’t you just hate it when you forget to save? 🤣

[@Alucia0]

Well they did a great job of keeping their nose out of the galaxy's buisness, just ask The Endless, I'm sure they will agree :/

[@jeffphillips1798]

Their greatest legacy was the 1989 Toyota Forerunner.

[@kennethkates3140]

Best Energy Rifle: E-11 Blaster Rifle Star Wars; Type-3 Phaser Rifle Star Trek; PPG Rifle Babylon 5; Type-25 Energy Rifle Halo

[@addisonchow9798]

Blame! Anime Gravitational beam emitter *COUGH COUGH*

[@adamorick2872]

The halo energy rifle is more destructive then the star wars rifle

[@armorfrogentertainment]

@Gabriel Martin that's more of a machine gun than an assault rifle

[@cgi2002]

If your following this through all the way, the star trek phasers and disruptors are several orders of magnitude more powerful than any of the others due to the energy required to completely disintergrate a person been frankly insane. Because Science has done a video on it, and its scary how powerful they have to be to do that. You also left off the M35 "M-Galaxy" Pattern Lazgun from the Imperial Guard (40k), as silly as it is, it really is insanely powerful (each shot is the equivalent of a modern MBT's main gun), although still an order of magnitude weaker than the star trek weapons.

[@RantzCore]

Here's a question I haven't seen; When the Halo Rings were fired, what would have happened to any ships in hyperspace during the discharge? Would they have been spared not being in normal space?

[@professorx2607]

There's another "advanced scifi civilization too stupid to really exist... and dont ask me why. 😎

[@DobleWhiteAndStabley]

If they were really stewerds of the mantle, they would have protected the Galaxy until humanity evolved to the point it could take over.

[@thomas.02]

The biggest mistake the forerunners made was taking things too seriously, be it themselves or this whole mantle thing.

[@dominiccingoranelli3071]

Sounds like you're saying they need to convert to dudeism

[@kennethkates3140]

Personal shield technology compared Dune Halo Mass Effect and Star Wars

[@ndukwui]

Well shooting Dune shields with laser creates nuclear blasts so there's that. Also if something is slow enough you can bypass the shields completely, they had a whole fighting style around it.

[@ls200076]

@@ndukwui subsonic rounds can pass those shields.

[@Installation00]

Well, Ur Didact survived in a cryptum. Iso Didact activated the array, meaning he was outside of thd effective range. 343 Guilty Sparks remnants seems to think the Librarian is still alive and is on his way to her. There is also a more primitive forerunner population in Path Kathona, and a great many more forerunners lived past the activation. It is likely others survived. It is, in my humble opinion, equally as likely that we havent seen the last of the Forerunners.

[@lmonster3146]

I hope we see more forerunners in the future because it would be interesting to see how humanity would interact with the species that built such technological advances.

[@grantreichel6870]

I would like to see the surviving Forerunners join humanity at the conclusion of Infinite to guide them in handling the Mantle. Right now, they're stumbling in the dark.

[@ethanquirk28]

Grant Reichel the Forerunners never knew how to handle the Mantle either, thats why they fucked it up and thats also why the creators of the Mantle intended not to give it to them

[@jesussilva201]

Nobody in the Halo universe knows that The Mantle really is. Not even the Forerunners. Personally i don't think that the idea of The Mantle is a benevolent one but more like a lovercraftian idea with zero moral implications (at least human moral). After all the Precursors are creatures inspired by Lovecraft work. If you think about it if not clear what Precursors intention were.

[@rufflin5168]

Do u think its weird that in star wars resistance the t-85 helmets unlike the t-65 or the t-70, are space helmets with oxygen tubes? #AskEck

[@lordfrostwind3151]

Do we know and are there any sources on what life is like in First Order controlled space? We know they are a heavily militarized junta but are the worlds basically fortress factories in the unknown regions like a mix between the Separatist controlled worlds and something out of 40K #AskEck

[@mill2712]

To my knowledge, no. We may need to wait until the 9th movie is released.

[@kennethkates3140]

Starship Versus: Harrower class Dreadnaught vs Victory class Star Destroyer

[@123455thatguy]

If the forerunners and humanity (before regression) had teamed up against the flood instead of waging war with each other could they have stopped the flood? #Askeck

[@zonnodon163]

Yes

[@BLOrtega]

They could've lasted longer and might've won, but let's be honest here, even if they did team up the Flood would still win in the end as they essentially replenish their numbers after every engagement and had control of Star Roads

[@jesussilva201]

Humanity never warned the Forerunners about the Flood. The war against the Forerunners started because humanity expansionism due to our war against the Flood.

[@smileyniloc6952]

I was wondering why can ships now jump on and off planets with hyperspace jumping? And why does the hyperspace ramming work? #askeck

[@StyroNo1]

"Ironic, they could save others from extinction, but not themselves..."

[@Sidewinder11771]

I love this video didn’t even see a survey for it but glad you made it

[@SC-ce3vp]

Because it's more fun that way.

[@maoistlily1432]

So, how did the Covenant-Human war ended? I keep hearing about "post war" warships, but I have no idea how the war itself ended. Did it had something to tho with the fall of High Charity?

[@AlexGarcia-jm4uf]

When truth killed on the ark

[@JoaoSoares-rs6ec]

It would be interesting if a forerunner helped stop the created

[@unscspartan1172]

What makes the MAC Gun and the Covenant Glassing weapons so powerful and is it possible to build them and or use them in war here on earth? #Ask Eck

[@sveltecraft4185]

How are hyperlanes made? "We should just take the moon and push it somewhere else!"

[@godzilla5006]

Best Androids Cyberlife Skynet Insititute (Fallout) Weyland Yutani (Aliens)

[@keisufederationmapping2748]

in my opinion edi (technically) from mass effect 2-3 is the best

[@greaterhalo0659]

@@keisufederationmapping2748 Don't you mention her name!!

[@spartangoku7610]

Skynet’s a little trigger happy on a nuclear apocalypse scale for my taste.

[@Thuazabi]

I'm still mad about the retcon 343 did making the Forerunners and Humanity separate species. All the lore generated by that is just so unnecessary.

[@K00Ldude98]

Do any of the the factions know where Maethrillian is in the halo universe? would its location be recorded in the Domain? #AskEck

[@PBart7]

The crashed Forerunner ship beneath the ice in Halo Reach actually has the location of Maethrillian. The single Covenant supercarrier that Jorge blew up was actually a small Covenant fleet that caught wind of this, and the Fleet Commander set about to find the info but did not relay this info the Prophets for some reason(cant remember the exact deets) But basically the key to Maethrillian is on Reach 🙄

[@Newtype93]

@@PBart7 Does ONI know about the ship as well?

[@PBart7]

@@Newtype93 The ship is the same one in Halo Reach, so ONI knew alllllll about the ship, but not the information it contained

[@user-oo3oi9ki2j]

@@PBart7 Was that in the game or the book? Youre talking about the ship you have to protect with Halsey in it?

[@PBart7]

@@user-oo3oi9ki2j The game, and yes the one with Halsey

[@synthdriver8817]

I think the Forunners took the idea of guilt and punishment too far. The Forunners had made massive strides in technology, science, and many other fields that would've been invaluable to the races that would supercede them. What they should've done was left behind a group of Forunners who would act as historical mentors to the new races. They could have taught these new species of the mistakes that the Forunners had made and insured that no such mistakes would ever be repeated by a new race. If done properly, the entire war between the Human and Covenant might've been avoidable, as well as the reawakening of the Flood.

[@immag0at688]

What if ancient humans and the forerunners worked togheter against the flood during the forerunner-human-flood war ?

[@bubbythebrow153]

Well they killed off the precursors because they were bitter they weren't chosen for the mantle. So they took the mantle and failed. The humans knew how to beat the flood but the forerunner wouldn't believe the humans until it was to late. So I think they made the right choice in leaving and not repopulating.

[@RAISERiley]

Thank you for the reliably awesome content. Stay on Halo for a minute! Loving the videos.

[@fv2033]

Why didn't any of the remaining forerunners dismantle the halo rings after they were used did they even think that some species would stumble upon them eventually like for example the covenant in halo 1#askeck

[@scorchstorm588]

I love this video. I've wondered this too. One question though, if the Forerunners wanted humans and not the Covenant to inherit the mantle of responsibility, why didn't they give humanity more of a leg up? It seems like the Covenant are much more powerful than humanity, almost as if they're the rightful successors of the Forerunners and should inherit The Mantle of Responsibility.

[@nihilistpenguin7511]

The covenant didn’t exist when the forerunners were around. The covies also had a lot of forerunner relics they reverse engineered

[@ryancleaver6613]

The Prophets race and Humanity were actually allies against the forerunners.

[@calicojack5623]

I’m confused I thought the forerunners didn’t fuck with humanity succeeding the mantle

[@thedishonoredamerican129]

Notification squad report in.

[@kingsolomon673]

Hello there, general Dude reporting in

[@WalkerRobert-bs8rl]

Hello there, General Bro reporting in

[@spartangoku7610]

Spartan Goku, reporting in.

[@scytheseven9173]

Do a Yuuzhan Vong invasion of Fluidic Space and war against Species 8472(the Undine)! 122nd try.

[@SrgtBarney]

That's very humbling of the forerunners to be honest. I mean they did commit so many atrocities and are pretty much the reason as to why things are so fucked in the first place, but choosing to erase themselves is a pretty honorable thing. I can't imagine their guilt

[@keisufederationmapping2748]

and i thought saladin was honorable enough to litterally help his enemy win but no the forunners saved the galaxy and then left in guilt

[@lochlanpurvis1454]

Soo do the Halo rings kill all life including flood or do they wipe out all life excluding the flood, bassicaly just taking out the floods food source. Because I have heard many different story's from many different people

[@MrMcp1995]

It was originally stated that they wiped out the Flood's food, but that has been retconned to include the Flood as well. Any life with even the most basic nervous system is targeted and killed.

[@thorshammer7883]

*Attempt 310* Do the Forerunners vs The Imperium of Man. (Halo vs Warhammer 40k)

[@lolmeme69_]

You know, how about precursor vs fully awakened necrons?

[@greaterhalo0659]

Forerunners stomp

[@311Bambino]

Forerunners win pretty easily

[@christopherbjorklund5850]

forerunners win handily. However war in heaven necrons with ctan could take them.

[@greaterhalo0659]

@@christopherbjorklund5850 Modern 40k Necrons vs Forerunners: Forerunners win WIH Necrons with C'tan vs Forerunners: Necrons win WIH Necrons without C'tan vs Forerunners: Stalemate

[@OldReaver]

I love all the Halo stuff on this channel I didn't even know I didn't know.

[@admiralmurphy1543]

They didn't deserve to decline into near-extinction. Most of them weren't even directly responsible for the firing. Everyone seems to view them as a single entity rather than a collective species, and judge them thus. Besides, they did what they viewed to be necessary, and that view has merit! If they hadn't fired the array, the entire universe would be jeopardized.

[@inffected0235]

They deserved to die because their arrogance directly led to that universe ending threat in the first place. If they hadn't hunted the precursors down the flood would have never happened and the halos would never have been built.

[@admiralmurphy1543]

@@inffected0235 This was the hubris of the government, not the people. That was a decision made generations before the Forerunner-Flood war even began. I maintain that the populace itself is innocent to an extent. I don't really believe in guilt by association.

[@Suduris]

No matter how you justify an action it does not change how horrid that action is.

[@darkrite9000]

@@admiralmurphy1543 Well based on what I can gather, their entire race is not only hyper intelligent, but is based on a government type similar to a republic. In fact I'd say about 15% at least are directly involved in their government. With another 25-35% involved in judicial procedures and such. Their entire race does vote on most actions, or differs actions to their leading Didact. So it stands to reason that aside from secret projects, like the Master Builder's experiments, race wide actions, such as the war on the Precursors, and Humans, were likely called on a vote. And since there's no current mention of public outcry for those actions, that means that even civilians were at least content for the most part with every action their government took. While it's quite likely that the vote was just taken by the government itself, I doubt the government would be able to hide a war, perhaps they could make up a reason that makes the Precursors sound like they should be destroyed (but again given that we currently know of no civil unrest caused by this, it's assumed that the populace was ok with this, and I find it difficult to believe they could come up with a reason good enough to go to war with their makers, that everyone would be fine with, also pretty sure the Precursors would've made a public announcement about the race not being worthy). The only actions that weren't made public were secret projects, like the experiments and the composer, which were both tied mainly to one leading individual (though with the support of their loyal armed forces). Then there's the Halo array, which was probably kept secret from the masses, but I don't think the people would really argue since the chances of victory against the flood were around 1% at that point. That being said in some regards your right, most every action that lead to the galaxy being put in danger was done by the government, but this government was fully supported by the people. There's even real life examples to be made on similar grounds. Going to use feudal Japan as an example cause it's a pretty good one. Everyone from the peasants to the loyal retainers have a sense of pride for their clan, sure the peasants aren't even the least bit responsible for their diamyo's actions, but they support their diamyo (though the reason for that can vary based on what kind of person their diamyo was). When a clan falls, their remnants feel a sense of shame, even a commoner who had no part in it, can feel this. So in a similar sense, the Forerunners are the same, even if they had been reseeded, if the new Forerunners were also proud beings, than the knowledge of their ancestors actions, and their fall, would cause them a feeling of shame. What the Forerunners ultimately did was eliminate the chance that their reseeded descendants would make the same mistake they did, or try something worse. It's not entirely fair, but it's what they choose.

[@admiralmurphy1543]

@@darkrite9000 These are the kind of replies I live for.

[@unknownviewer6952]

Hey eck The Rings Wiped Out Life But the Trees Are Still There 😑🤔 #AskEck

[@willimamam6922]

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[@kingsolomon673]

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[@MG-zx3px]

Flood vs WH40K

[@darkrite9000]

That I believe has already been done, the Flood wins most of the time, like 90% or so.

[@Angryp0nY]

I personally think Bungie's original implication was better. That Humanity are the Forerunners, having cast off our technology to try to do it better the second time. Guilty Spark also pretty much said it. "You are the child of my makers, inheritors of all they left behind. You ARE Forerunner, but this Ring is mine."

[@eztebandavidkrj3477]

Kill that annoying little shit bulb💡

[@discoprince9065]

To me this is a part of my biggest gripe with the lore of the forerunners, my total gripe is that they are an alien race with all this technology and a *cast system* and they didn't even use the technology they had to save themselves. If I could rewrite halo lore or have my own fannon universe I would have ancient humans and forerunners be one in the same, I know that sounds dumb I won't lie and say it foolproof rewrite narratively speaking, but when you you learn about the lore it just makes things less interesting, they are aliens that look to similar to humans anyway, the hole cast system thing make them less interesting. I always imagined them to be an interstellar race that made a utopia and the covenant wasn't oppressive because that's how the forerunners were, but because they were so perfect they tried in vain to reach that majesty in all the wrong ways, and with humans being "reclaimers", it's the best poetic failure of the old covenant, because in their blind faith they were killing the vary thing they worshiped. And the ancient humans don't serve any purpose that couldn't be fulfilled by having them be one and the same. I know I'm probably alone on this but regardless one day I would love to make a halo universe rewrite that most people would actually enjoy (I hope). Kinda like how most people like the starwars legends universe. Maybe one day.

[@usernameredacted3627]

The very basis of the Mantle of Responsibility doomed the Forerunners. Hamstrung by its teachings and political adversary between the Builders and Warrior-Servants all but doomed there civilization. Treating the flood without extreme prejudice was a mistake and the Mantle hampered them since it was taught that all life is sacred despite the Forerunners xenophobia. In fact I would go so far as to say the Mantles teachings and there failure to protect the galaxy was why they didn't reseed themselves in the Milky Way. They couldn't stop the flood and there is no way to know if they would succeed if they rebuilt but that is my own personal head canon. I do hope descendants of the Forerunners will return one day though or maybe survivors.

[@deltahalo241]

I'd also say that inventions like the Composer and Guardians showed that the Forerunners had a fundemental misunderstanding of what the Mantle of Responsibility actually was.

[@usernameredacted3627]

@@deltahalo241 I can understand the Guardians as they policed systems, but in the defense of the composer. Wasn't it's intended purpose to achieve actual immortality and later immunity to infection? Of course then the Didact used went mad.

[@KingdomH342]

2 question EckhartsLadder, When will the vicount video be done and will said video be on this channel.

[@SkyeKingTv]

Can you please make a video on the gravestone? It is my favorite Old republic ship! I'd love you forever!

[@jasoncaldwell5627]

Maybe the Forerunners on Bastion have made a new array- or possibly something more advanced (it HAS been a long time) that only destroys the Flood... It would be nice to see they are still fighting the good fight from beyond the Galaxy.

[@alexchen4518]

Because there wouldn’t be a game otherwise

[@A-Legitimate-Salvage]

How do you think the Human-Covanent war would have been changed if Noble 6 had survived Reach and gotten on the Pillar of Autumn with Chief? #askeck

[@Palemagpie]

I never understood why you couldn't just survive the firing by warping as far away from the initial halo blast. Then the second it fires, warp back to that halo. You'd essentially hop inside the expanding blast ring without taking the hit.

[@michaelmonteon34]

rAdIaTiOn

[@LJKarting]

Two halo videos in two days? Lucky us!

[@wyattcole6580]

Read the books... not all of them did survive no but their numbers were so few towards the end of their war with the Flood they essentially had to sacrifice themselves just to survive. Also they’re not all dead. Like I said you need to read the books to understand.

[@wyattcole6580]

So to anybody who is interested read the forerunner trilogy and then promises to keep and the untitled epilogue from Halo fractures. Then you’ll know what happened to the Forerunners.

[@rebelappliance771]

So it’s kinda like horizon zero dawn then, where all life gets wiped out only for it to be brought back.

[@Roaring2Thunder]

Or horizon is like halo lol

[@ninedivines5374]

Because they knew they'd fuck it up again

[@feralprocessor9853]

Hey I'm have a question: how would the Precorsor's from Halo fair against the Leviethans from masseffect before their demise of there rule? #askEck

[@inffected0235]

Precursors are basically gods that fucked with reality itself for shits and giggles (Look up star roads). The leviathans created a few squid boi's... no contest here.

[@feralprocessor9853]

@@inffected0235 , that's good point but I want to here eckhartsladder's opinion about it in a intreging conflict story like for example, the Leviethans wanted to enthrall every liform that the Precorsor's created wich contradicted their mantle of responsibility, then he'll explain the rest Wether the Precorsor or Leviethans winning. :)

[@mojom.9221]

Eck, what happend to the first Jango Fett clone Series , the more independent thinking Clone Commandos ( Nul-class Advanced Recon Commandos, the Alpha-Arc, etc) and the Mandalorian Bounty Hunters training them , after Order 66 and during the Empire ? #AskEck

[@jblonar]

Is there a concrete timeline for how much time went by between the array's activation and when the galaxy was re-seeded?

[@fluffiestmallard6484]

They did, theyre called humans

[@jacksonbowns1087]

So, what happened with Chakas anyway? Last I read, 343 Guilty Spark remembered he used to be human and then hijacked a human ship to look for his old friends. Did they ever continue this?

[@liamnacinovich8232]

I hate the new lore. It made more sense when the humans were the descendants of the forerunners. I might be wrong but I think that’s how it was pre 343i

[@reggie7716]

Agreed, Halo 1 and 2 and I think 3 and most of the early books had humans as the forerunners. The writing has gotten worse and worse Halo Reach was the last great halo game.

[@zenron5149]

Idk man, it’s a tricky question. On one hand it was for the greater good and justified; on the other hand, they committed genocide on a galactic scale and I’m 90% they couldn’t catalog all of the loving species. How are we to know if there could’ve been another species that would’ve evolved into something great?

[@Jeppe_P]

I find it strange to see that the forerunners did not help humanity enough to get back to the point in time before they were punished by the forerunners and got devolved from ancient humanity to basically caveman. If humanity carries the mantel after the firing of the Halo rings, the remaining forerunners should have helped humanity speed up the proces at the very least. If they would have, the covenant would not have almost wiped them out.

[@lamnaa]

Why do you think Palpatine chose a Clone Army for the Republic and a Droid one for the CIS? #AskEck

[@admiralmorablood5314]

I feel like they were too harsh on themselves. They did all that they could do to stop the flood and only used the rings as a last opinion. Yes, they killed everything but doing so also saved everything.

[@MrMcp1995]

In hindsight, considering what happened afterwards between their chosen successors and the other species they saved, they probably should have stuck around.