Halo - Ancient Human History - Lore and Theory

Lore and Theory is a video series were I explore ideas, Lore and Theories within the Halo Universe that pop into my mind at any given time, or that are popular among the community.
In this episode: We look at the origin, rise and fall of ancient humanity.
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[@SuperVideowatcher01]

So in short... Humans came from Earth, expanded into space, fought the Flood and Fourrunners, was sent back to Earth and devolved, then spent a few million years evolving again, went to space again, got into another war, but won that war

[@off_Planet]

@Mr.Tweezy007 where did you get that from? I mean, I'm not sure, but I thought humanity was originally from either earth or mars

[@piercepayumo4212]

Maybe their homeworld is Mars and it was bombed to a barren wasteland. After that, earth was the only habitable world and this is when humanity was reseeded on earth.

[@martinxy1291]

We are by far the most relentless pain in the ass for anyone and all that tries to gets rid of us.

[@ebimd1851]

@Mr.Tweezy007 Humanity is from earth, clearly stated in the Forerunner trilogy.

[@ebimd1851]

@@off_Planet Humanity is indeed from earth.

[@solowingborders3239]

Imagine being UNSC and seeing our own architecture on other worlds without knowing anything of "ancient Humanity". The confusion would be immense.

[@elijahwatson3474]

The Hellcat armor in 5 is stated to be strangely familiar to humans. They know it means something to them but haven’t figured it out yet.

[@martinxy1291]

"Was this a lost colony?" "I dont fucking know"

[@tragic_solitude7992]

I think in an episode of Halo Legends there was a scene where they come about ruins that wasn't forerunner and hinted to be Ancient Human.

[@MegaPikachu5]

Pretty sure ONI is fully, or atleast some what aware of ancient humanity

[@ur-didact1991]

@@tragic_solitude7992 if those ruins and most of all those stairs in babysitter parts were made by ancient humans... Then they would be more bigger than 12 ft in average

[@michokilo7421]

So basically the flood and the Librarian helped humanity pull the greatest uno reverse card in the galaxy?

[@sami7735]

Yup basically

[@martinxy1291]

Humans are best known for their "No U" and "Go fuck yourself" moves towards any force that pushes them back, clearly gods chosen species. We are also very annoying

[@andrewpandrew7786]

Ya’ll ever realize Uno reversed is No U. So like the reverse card is pretty much a “No U” card.

[@michokilo7421]

Martin XY lmao

[@captainkiwi77]

Andrew Pandrew uno is just no u mixed up too

[@evansheehan9258]

Humanity: History of a people repeatedly being beat down and getting back up.

[@robinchwan]

Rocky Balboa: I didn't hear the bell ring!

[@SH19922x]

@@robinchwan Chosen Undead: Open your ears!

[@markmulder9845]

Humans are tenacious if nothing else. Not the greatest hunters or warriors, but the greatest survivors.

[@1bossofbosses]

Basically to put it in perspective we Humans are like Cockroaches that just don't completely die out. We survive and build again. In Human perspective we are a Tower of Willpower and intelligence

[@dr.boring7022]

@Dylan Jones But how exactly does sacrificing 1/3 of your population make you worthy? It's not even a good plan to begin with. If the idea was to inject a virus into the flood in order to "infect" the Flood, they should have only infected one planet, or one person. If the idea was to PLEASE the Primordials by sacrificing a 3rd of their population... that's a massive leap of faith. But they are also dwindling their reserves, just incase the Precursers decide to continue on with their genocide, even after they were offered the 1/3rd. I recon that most of Humanity didn't even agree or get a say on if this plan should be executed.

[@SelchDa117]

Forerunners low key committed what can only be called war crimes. They exterminated most of humanity after their surrender, de-evolved the survivors, then experimented on the newly prehistoric humans. The forerunners are suddenly not such amazing caregivers and look more like xenophobes trying to maintain their power.

[@reijivonasuna7199]

SelchDa117 And wiped out their own creators, hunting them down to a whole other galaxy in order to do so. Yeah they aren’t so friendly lol

[@black10872]

Which is one of the reasons why the Precursors judged them to be unfit to carry the mantle.

[@spectospartan]

SelchDa117 They’re pretty much mega advanced Nazi’s, if you think about it-

[@mikeprime5028]

It's called genocide

[@pinstripecool34]

SelchDa117 Yea when you think about it the Forerunners where kind of huge assholes.

[@snatchadams69]

The Flood saw The Forerunners as annoying NPCs but saw Humans as true PvP foes...

[@hasturxix]

The new Spartan armor is starting to look more and more like the armor that Ancient humanity wore.

[@stephenb3104]

The librarian said she imprinted the ideas in humanity to create everything about the chief and Cortana

[@rey6024]

Not in a good way tho

[@temerodiavolo470]

HHMMMMMMMMM

[@Sanya6496]

If they are, then Humanity has made a very bad asthetic to it.

[@chippsdubbo990]

In halo 5 it describes the hellcat armor (which uses technology from an ancient human ship) as 'utterly alien but strangely familiar'

[@EthanThomson]

the flood did a smart to preserve humanity and give the forerunners the middle finger? clever girl

[@kkhunt7]

Damn raptor.

[@DrFoo11]

You can see when you look at her, she's working it out. They should all be destroyed!

[@nothuman3083]

Not really technically its the mantle gene hardwired in their DNA so they are technically flood. The flood once it achieved high brain power remembered it gave them the mantle and wanted the forerunners to pay for their sins. So once humans where devolved the forerunners took the mantle and implanted it in themselves. Flood returned and would just snap its tentacles and forerunners became flood

[@donaldbaird7849]

@@nothuman3083 where did u get that information from?

[@zanyzerk5504]

Donald Baird what he’s really trying to say is that the flood were precursors. They were so so intelligent that there technology is pretty much Incomprehensible. There technically is Made of neural physics in which the universe is a living being and that made them travel through the stars and explore the whole halo universe. The had a belief called the mantle of responsibility in which who ever held the mantle is in control of protecting the universe and life itself. Now to make everything short. They were going to give it to the forerunners but they proved unworthy and passed it to humanity. The forerunners killed the precursor out of anger and took the mantle for them selves. The surviving precursors turned them selves into a dust which millions of years later turned into the flood due to the corruption of the dust. So now they attack the humans but let em go and then attacked the forerunners for revenge for what happened millions of year ago.

[@axelramirez9074]

If humans were still this advanced in the halo games or books,the covenant wouldn't stand a single chance and the war would end the day it started

[@robertle7156]

then we cant relate because the technological advantage would be alien to us and there woulnt be much of a story

[@axelramirez9074]

@@robertle7156 true

[@nothuman3083]

Technically they used human artifacts to make their technology. Humans would use gravity as a weapon.

[@ebimd1851]

@@nothuman3083 We don't know if the Covenant used Ancient human tech, they did reverse-engineer and adapt Forerunner tech though

[@dickmelsonlupot7697]

@@ebimd1851 The whole "glassing" thing the Covenant loves doing is actually Ancient Human tech.

[@AvalancheZ250]

The Battle of Charum Hakkor took 53 years. 50 years in space, and 3 years on the ground. 53 years of siege, of the entire Forerunner Ecumene against a single planet. Granted, the humans had fortified nigh indestructible Precursor structures.

[@speedercat154]

Wow

[@speedercat154]

Sounds like the stories my father told me

[@Omega4Productions]

Makes you wonder how the Forerunners were able to defeat the Precursors if it took them 53 years with all of their military might available just to besiege a single Precursor structure.

[@AvalancheZ250]

@@Omega4Productions It was briefly touched upon in the Forerunner series by Greg Bear. Do you want me to tell you what happened? I don't want to spoil it if you don't want it spoiled.

[@Omega4Productions]

@@AvalancheZ250 I've read the entire trilogy, but it has been a while since I've read them so my memory of them is fairly dicey. They're damn good books though. Anyway, point is, fire away. Would be nice to jog my memory of what happened anyway.

[@sonicsawblade]

My theory is that when the Librarian had influenced modern humanity to make Spartan genetic modifications, these enhanced humans are genetically identical to the superior, ancient humans.

[@kwarrior2895]

I doubt that. Only chief because she accelerated his evolution.

[@elijahwatson3474]

Not exactly, she planet the seeds but Chief is basically the part of the plan that “succeeded”

[@ZackSavage]

not quite, just accelerated us towards what we used to be in halo cannon

[@basudebsarkar5487]

Spartans are just the second step of human evolution, and it took more than 40 milion years to become an ancient human, in just 5 milion years ape become human, I think Spartan need more than one steps to compete with the ancient human

[@SpartanSpartan-pg4zk]

Spartans are not even close to ancient humans

[@benhooper1956]

I think this has to be the most fascinating piece of Halo Lore, imagine if in one of the games we were to stumble across an ancient Human enclave perhaps, will a small fleet of ships and their technology, would make a fantastic cutscene bringing the ancient humans up to speed with the Human-Covenant war for example, and I really love the Ancient Human ship design

[@Ally5141]

You don't understand how much it would change in the Halo universe. It wouldn't be just one cutscene but a collection of the most advanced technology in the galaxy. Made by humans for humans.

[@mafiaps31]

I genuinely pray that in ancient humans somehow makes it into Halo 6 cuz I never even thought of 4Runner would be in a future Halo game and then look what happened

[@hermeister3870]

@@mafiaps31 the hellcat armour is a primitive (by comparison) recreation of ancient humanity's combat skin so there's that at least

[@ebimd1851]

www.halopedia.org/images/a/ad/Ancient_Human_cruiser.jpg Apparently an Ancient human starship design from Halo: Warfleet

[@benhooper1956]

@@ebimd1851 apparently thats the one ONI have captured...

[@Red19487]

Heretical? Servitors? Ancient Humanity sounds more like the Imperium of Man to me

[@renton0915]

They were near it. Looks like democracy didn't exist that Life Time.

[@ExHyperion]

It’s just a theory, A GAME THEORY

[@fadelsukoco3092]

If the Imperium never destroyed or outlawed any technology or made ang mistakes during the Great Crusade, then yes, it would be similar. It would be closer tech abd operations speaking to what the Emperor was trying to achieve.

[@LuoSon312_G8]

Don't u mean Forrunners? Humanity seemed absorbant to xeno species and tech. Much unlike the Imperium and the Forrunners. Where a majority seem xenophobic to other races coexisting.

[@iona2225]

They were a more... xenophobic breed, or breeds, true, but it seems that the Mantle demanded a kind of dominance or superiority of its upholder. Which doesn’t explain why the Precursors themselves were culled... unless it was a ALL elements of a plan; humbling man to a more compassionate lot and simply removing the parent so the child can stand alone?

[@juanramos4322]

I would love to try out the Ancient Human weapons in Halo Infinite.

[@zidniafifamani2378]

Let's hope the "translated" name of ancient human weapons are not something super weird but strangely familiar, for example: Weeabo Assault Rifle.

[@RustyShackleford051]

You mean a reskinned magnum?

[@BedivereD]

Hopefully one day 343 industries will make a game that depicts the last days of the human-forerunner war, mainly the Siege of Charum Hakkor. I think it would be as dramatic and tragic as Halo Reach was, as we would see the fall of the ancient human civilization.

[@blam320]

Given that Slipspace can occasionally cause ships to travel _backwards_ in time, would it be possible for, say, a major malfunction in a Slipspace drive to catapult a modern UNSC cruiser the tens of millions of years back to the last Golden Age of Humanity?

[@homoerektus3069]

It's certainly possible. There was a spartan that got stuck in the 21st century for a time then went back to the 26th when the slipspace accident sorted itself out.

[@SchneeflockeMonsoon]

Theoretically possible, but the known factors of shifting along a temporal axis have only ever been recorded by as many as 7 days, and have yet to identify the cause(s) of why their primitive drives caused these shifts, when modern and covenant drives do not.

[@pastordonkoh7692]

And here you highlight why i believe *George Is Alive*. Only moments will have passed for him since the slip space malfunction. It's not a stretch he'll spat back out. And even without a helmet he'd survive. Humans can survive for a several minutes in the vacuum of space.He's a spartan

[@Finn_7117]

What about the inverse?

[@ryanastillero4693]

That would be a different dimension or timeline.

[@maryjoygelizon4268]

Why cant 343 make a movie about times before the forerunners or during the forerunners and ancient humans.

[@hasturxix]

Imagine a movie portraying the human empire and their fall to flood. That'd be a damn good sci fi zombie movie.

[@Lrofmaulol]

@@hasturxix how would you pack hundreds of years of warfare and proceedings into a feature length movie though. Like, you could make an entire series about this.

[@marcofava]

@@Lrofmaulol Several Seasons of it really, Just the Human Forerunner and concurrent Human Flood War could take a whole Game of Thrones worth of episodes to do it all. Let along the Forerunner Flood war up to the activation of the halos could be another entire series altogether

[@wilsonmora4753]

A game in that ages would be amazin too

[@Ben_of_Langley]

I've felt the same way about warhammer 30k that if they were to make a movie collection about that time it would be amazing same with this to have a collection of movies showing the human forunner war and the flood the building of the halo ring's it would have to be like the hobbit and the Lords of rings movies except it would be all six movies about this time in halos lore and each film would definitely have to be over three hours a piece but it would make one hell of a good watch. Unfortunately it would face the same problem as a warhammer 30k film collection it would have to be done by a good director and stay true to the lore something on that scale halo, 30k it could so easily be done badly think about what happened with the doomed movie they changed one thing in the story the removal of hell and demon's and because of that it ruined the movie and that's what I mean a movie about the human forunner war would have to stay true to the lore rather than trying to appeal to a larger audience which is what I think went wrong with the doom movie instead it should aim to please the fan base and if its done right then more than likely you would get none halo fans or people that know the games but not the lore so much enjoying it. Still though who knows maybe they will make a film in the future though I also agree with another comment made that a game based in this time would be pretty good as well in fact I'll settle for that for now lol

[@marcofava]

To think that Ancient Humanity damn near defeated the Forerunner while fighting a two front war with the Flood I think it makes them one of the most powerful Sci Fi civilisations ever depicted. Usually in matchups of Sci Fi civilisations that are widely known Halo comes in last but that's because only modern day (I.e. the Halo we play through) is considered but if you toss up the Forerunner and Ancient humanity, eat your heart out Imperium of Man and Star Wars

[@Lightwolf_VR]

Let's be real mate, the deciding factor is the bias of the writer and how much plot armor you give.

[@fadelsukoco3092]

True, especially considering the only, ONLY advantage Humanity had was in weapons tech because they could actually understand Precursor tech somewhat, unlike the Forerunners. The Flood had already severely-crippled their empire by the time they started fleeing to Forerunner border space. The Humans were trying to take more resources to make up for what they lost to the Flood. Since they were losing to the Flood abd neefed more worlds to fight them off and given Humanity's tech level, they would have lost at least 50% of their Empire to the Flood, and this is only the beginning of the Human-Forerunner war. By the late parts of it, Humanity had about 20K worlds in at least a thousand systems (and all the other natural resources in the space between) but it is not known if this was before or after they sacrificed a third of the remainder of their Empire to the Flood with countermeasures which kinda-worked, but were NOT a cure. They were designed to not give the Flood more biomass. The Flood then retreated on its own to preserve the Humans for the Precursors' plan and fool everyone into thinking there was a cure. But back to the main topic: Ancient Humans had 20-30 thousand worlds well into the Human-Forerunner War. And assuming that they lost at least 50% of their Empire to the Flood before moving to Forerunner territory, thst means they had, as a very conservative estimate, at least 60K worlds and whatever resources existed in the space between them before the Flood Happens. Yet by the time they fight the Forerunners, they are left with a crippled civilization and divided military trying to contain so many Flood outbreaks against over 3 million Forerunner worlds and their domain over the vast majority of the galaxy. That's being outnumbered at least 1000-1 by aliens more-advanced in tech and bio-engineering, supplemented with many times aa much automated assets like billions of warships the Forerunners could just throw at their problems, each carrying dozens to thousands of War sphinxes, each pair of which could merge and shatter continents. Ancient Humans fought off the Forerunners while constantly losing bit by bit for over a millennium, and that's AFTER the Didact used star-hopping to target only thr most-important Human worlds and cut or slow to evolutionary crawls all Human slipspace travel using casual reconciliation jamming. Then the Full might of the best of the best and most-powerful Forerunner forces battered thenselves useless again and again for 53 years on Charum Hakkor. A single Human world, devoid of any support, was able to resist countless and constant Forerunner attack for 53 years. By that time, the Ecumene was starting to seriously strain their economy fighting the supposedly-primitive and barbaric Humans. It is said in the books that the Human-Forerunner War weakened the Ecumene so much it was a considerable factor as to why the Ecumene was so unprepared for the Flood 10,000 years later.

[@Benthesniperof8]

A unified imperium of man with the emperor actively leading it would merely flick the ancient human empire from halo aside. However if the two ever hypothetically fought, the emperor would likely use his op bullshit plz nerf charisma and emperor magic to facilitate a unification between the imperium and the ancient human empire. (I know it seems like fanboyism that I say the imperium would swat aside the AHE, however a unified IoM has legions of adeptus astartes with their primarchs to lead. The imperium in this state fields LEGIONS of Adeptus Mechanicus TITANS with upwards of 1000 titans per legion. The only major advantages the AHE from halo would have over the imperium is, 1. Faster and easier to use FTL technology that can be used from inside a planets orbit if absolutely necessary to do so. 2. AI. Although the adeptus mechanicus wouldn't get as bat shit crazy about AI if the emperor could be convinced that the halo AI was stable. While the two advantages here are major advantages, I do not believe for a second that it would be enough to overcome the imperium of man being lead by the emperor.)

[@HaloForgeUltra]

@@Benthesniperof8 Your forgetting that the ancient humans had weapons from studying precursor relics that surpassed by far even the forerunners weapons. Their ships could destroy planets in a single blast, whereas IoM requires special ordinance for Exterminatus. They also had combat skins which in the forerunner ranking goes from 1-18. Master Chiefs Mark VI MJOLNIR ranked a solid 2 on that scale, and rank 8 was recommended for fighting flood. The Didacts combat skin despite being a 100,000 years old and probably not his full armour was able to manipulate gravitational fields and crush MC to the ground. I don't know what their canon abilities will be since 343 made Forerunners quite a bit weaker than they were in the books, but going by ranking, the Ancient humans could have fought on the same level as Adeptus Astartes, and been a threat to Primarchs, their best advantage would be slip-space (no demons in transit), which is far faster allowing the forerunners almost instant travel, and for ancient humans not too far from that. They also had true AI as servitors, which far surpass the cyborgs in the Mechanicus. Their ships would simply overpower any IoM, even if they were somewhat equal on the ground due to Primarchs, the more powerful Astartes and Psychers and the difference in the number of troops the IoM can throw at an enemy to win. That said I agree they would almost certainly come up with a peace agreement. The IoM is extremely good at convincing people to worship the emperor, and only use violence and subjugation as the last resort. They would also provide a huge ally against Demons, Eldar, Orks, Tyranids, Necrons etc. If the Big E still has enough healthy cells they could probably revive him without heretical xeno tech as well. Basically the Imperium would win the galaxy by default.

[@therealderjett]

Unless I overlooked it everyone missed one major option. The home field advantage question. Who is the invader in this fight between these two civilisations? The invader has limited resources while the defending side has everything that can be offered up in defense. Ancient humans defending would win without any doubt. IOM defending seems to have an 80 to 95 percent chance of winning if the attack comes from outside the current universe. If the attack was a massive fleet attack with ancient humans trying to take back Sol System and then hold it against invasion the tide of battle changes to an almost 50/50. The ancient humans would control space and the sky's above every world in the system. Once they have a base of operations and the ability to manufacture ships and weapons the entire battle becomes a siege. Trap a planet and take it or just wipe it out with a single attack. The IOM is going to have numbers as the only advantage in this type of attack. If arguments are made saying other races would be the difference maker in an ancient humans invasion of the IOM you also have to add the super advanced civilisations from Halo into the mix and the simple fact that they don't have any well known races that are weak and not possible of defending or attacking at the same or better level as the ancient humans the fight seems to overwhelmingly tilt in the favor of Halo. Remember that the IOM isn't well known for its ability to adapt and advance tech found in war. Ancient humans became the power they are based on the fact that they always pushed forward with new and better tech from more advanced civilisations.

[@bennuredjedi]

Again the Reclamation should be of modern humanity (UEG UNSC CAA/CMA) reclaiming their Ancient Human past, culture, technology etcetera and start to rebuild the UEG using that knowledge to me that is the Reclamation, followed by obtaining the Forerunners Mantle as well allowing humanity to become a Tier 1 Civilization again come on 343 make it happen and let the Reclamation truly begin!

[@sleipnirodin2881]

Dont worry, it is ongoing, right *now* , in the halo unvierse players know. But, one problem still, *Cortana...*

[@elijahwatson3474]

The forerunners were huuuge asshole destroyed a lot of ancient human tech. Requiem data was probably their best lead. The Hellcat armor in 5 is based off a recover ancient human suit. Which humans have notice it strangely familiar to them.

[@mafiaps31]

The surprise cutscene in Halo Reach ending States that it was the year 2589 37 years after the war ended so pretty sure by that point in the Halo story they are very close store I've already begun the reclamation

[@deliriousdavies7552]

I think even under the best circumstances, it would take humanity circa 2558 several centuries to truly recover their ancient culture and technology. And it would take centuries after that to take the mantle. Ancient humanity was unbelievably advanced.

[@cringekiller348]

Ancient humans were far more generically evolved Than The Modern humans Any ancient human soldier can defeat the unsc Single handedly Imagine 14feet tall Gravity controlling Near invincible Humans Being compared To weak humans Of 2559

[@christophercampos4522]

Let not the Ancient Humans history distract you from that HELLCAT armor. That junk look fireeeeee

[@zidniafifamani2378]

I want to know what Ancient Humanity powered armor are called thought (Forerunner powered armor are called Personal Armor while Forerunner combat-oriented powered armor are called Combat Skin).

[@TheSideLineAnomaly]

Would love a spin-off halo game set in the time of the human forerunner flood war.

[@solemnpenance8134]

Am I the only one who thinks that Forthencho and his crew looked like native or southern americans? Maybe it's because of the facepaint and long hair idk

[@masterarthius8752]

Same. As well as the facial features.

[@Ordravn]

That or Polynesians, specifically the Maori warriors of New Zealand.

[@jaredplathe2623]

He look like madds mikkelsen

[@PiedraEnTuZapato]

They looks like aztecs/Mayans to me.

[@Lachausis]

They never existed in the first place.

[@temerodiavolo470]

"You could make a religion out of this!"

[@starvalkyrie]

no don't

[@spacemonkey5470]

"The Great Journey"

[@evaneverett6511]

I see, you are an elevated ond

[@religiousmilk8612]

@@starvalkyrie it's more interesting than the main ones we have today at least

[@starvalkyrie]

@@religiousmilk8612 my "no don't" is a reference chain with the original comment. From this awesome vid kzbin.info/www/bejne/rqamn2urrZeamNU

[@thesurvivalist.]

The old human tech, at the level of the Forerunners! More!

[@dasbubba841]

Not much more to go on than this.

[@elijahaitaok8624]

@@dasbubba841 imagine a USA vs. USSR approach to modern technology

[@fadelsukoco3092]

4:41 it was actually 53 years, just pointing that out. Also, it says in Halo Mythos and the Forerunner trilogy that the only reason that the Forerunners were able to break through Charum Hakkor's defense and not drain Their military and economy on the world in however long it takes for then to root out and kill every single last human on the planet, which would have cost them much for every human killed, was that the Didact made a deal with the San Shyuum government on Janjur Qom to spare the San Shyuum the fate of devolution in exchange for the routes and secret passages to get past the Indestructible Precursor defenses of Charum Hakkor. This also meant that the San Shyuum condemned all their own troops who still fought beside Humanity 16:03 It us most likely that by that point they were a Stratocracy in function, due to their circumstances mandating that every single able-bodied person did what they could for the war effort

[@AvalancheZ250]

Yeah I caught that as well. 50 years in the orbit and Charum Hakkor and 3 years on the ground (not to mention the years before spent fighting throughout the other planets in the same system, such as Sothra Hakkor). In the end, the Forerunners didn't even overpower humanity; they had to enlist the treason of the San Shyuum. That condemned every human and every loyal San Shyuum left on the planet. Even after Charum Hakkor fell, 40 Prime Cruisers and 10 First-Rate Tuned Platforms escaped and fought the last battle in a system with the wolf-faced planet. In their end, they burned every world in the system to deny the Forerunners the resources of that single, last system.

[@darkpaladin.]

@@AvalancheZ250 it would've been really ironic if the present Day San Shyuum had recruited the Humans into the Covenant

[@tragic_solitude7992]

Humans are great.

[@bobbyflynn6352]

This is nearly word for word the halo wiki page on ancient humanity.

[@dannymckenzie8329]

What's your point

[@d3viousone470]

Sent here by EckhartsLadder. Awesome channel with amazing in depth videos. Thank you.

[@mauz791]

Same

[@bluenight104]

One other thing. I’d like to argue that what modern humanity (in the halo universe) lacks in intelligence and strength it makes up for in humility and morality. Humans now know they’re not the strongest kid on the block, they know the horrors of genocide and the suffering war and cruelty causes. Doesn’t mean they can always or even frequently prevent it but they aren’t blind to its effects. Most of the humans (like hood) don’t want to keep fighting, they don’t want to wipe out all the elites or even the brutes. They just want to be left alone.

[@WaukWarrior360]

By the 26th century Humanity has Essentially regained it's original biological makeup and is arguably the most Intelligent species in comparison to the other known species

[@bluenight104]

Joshua Michael where is that ever said? It’s established that new humanity is still inferior to the older version. Weaker, smaller and lives shorter lives.

[@WaukWarrior360]

@@bluenight104 It's said right in the video. Generally they aren't as strong or big as ancient humans but even in real life we have people like Dwayne Johnson and LeBron James. Otherwise we're most likely just as smart as ancient humans and the Spartans are fully brought back to original human standards. The extended life spans were probably due to advanced biotech/medicine

[@bluenight104]

Joshua Michael I must’ve missed that tidbit

[@raxsavvage]

jesus ... halo even darker than i thought

[@SpartanSpartan-pg4zk]

It's about to be way more

[@REN92106]

This is one of the reasons I love Halo, its rich canon relates widely to what I believe is very close to what actually happened, yes aliens and all.

[@117Industries]

What grounds your belief? I’m not criticising because I buy it too, but on what ground do you hold this belief?

[@KuDastardly]

Dude, is it me or do the warships of Halo's ancient humans look similar to warships of Stargate's ancient humans?

[@fadelsukoco3092]

Kind of, the Ancient Human ship that was long and had a tall prow is similar in shape to a Lantean/Alteran Aurora battleship, except smoother and with less exterior greeble, suggesting more external armor

[@JoaoPedro-gc8mw]

If it had Ancient/Lantean drones, the Forerunners would have known fear.

[@sammason6615]

@@JoaoPedro-gc8mw just imagine if Forruners had discovered oil

[@fadelsukoco3092]

@@JoaoPedro-gc8mw well, the Didact said in Cryptum that "Humans, with the assistance if the San Shyuum, were able to create offensive technologies which my Promethean Forces had no defense against" which he says is part of the reason Humanity lasted so long against the Forerunners despite being exponentially-outnumbered. Given the tech level of Ancient Humanity, they vell well could have plausibly made such weapons easily.

[@noctisumbra2749]

@@fadelsukoco3092 I believe this was the Energy protector, which makes it a bit ironic that a bastardized was used to Glass human worlds.

[@thebloxxer22]

Ancient Humans had a sterilization cannon and the UNSC has Magnetic Acceleration Cannons. Coincidence, I THINK NOT.

[@dreambiscuits]

Yeah probably a coincidence actually

[@elijahwatson3474]

Librarians did plant the seeds for us to return to our former glory. Through we have set back ourselves many times.

[@camelxravennova]

Holy shit I want a prequel game series of Halo when humans were this advanced. Please

[@averagehum4n]

We apparently would’ve, the company that worked on the first halo wars wanted to make a rpg during that time

[@camelxravennova]

@@averagehum4n woah 😳

[@Sanya6496]

Just a thought, but can you make a video about the Mantis in Halo 4 as it seems to be the only vehicle with its own energy shielding systems? It would be interesting to have a full breakdown of the technological and mechanical breakthroughs it implemented to see large scale application and the potential disadvantages such as its size and whether it was intendede for a different role than it currently occupies.

[@frankfelerski1043]

Ancient humanity is literally just the imperium of man, slip space is the warp after it was cauterized by the halo rings, and the precursors were the old ones (with the flood being the tyranids) Forerunners are actually just the eldar and the reason there are no necrons in this history is because of how much forerunners hated the necrons

[@plmokm33]

Ancient humanity seems more along the lines of dark age of technology humanity, rather than the Imperium.

[@supremeverdict359]

Modern Halo timeline is in the dark ages of technology in 40k.

[@basudebsarkar5487]

@@supremeverdict359 IOM era was happened before ancient human era and before that the humanity was In mass effect, between our era 2020, the ceph came to us and destroyed our world, but they gave technology like nano suit which was lost in time, second happened fallout, after that IMD chose to fight on other planet inherited by humans, titanfall era, and next, halo era,

[@basudebsarkar5487]

What you said is true

[@Impartial_Sojourner]

The Prometheans are the Necrons. The Ur-Didact is the Silent King. Both fire weapons that disintegrates their targets and are mechanized warriors driven by the shackled, digitized conciousness within.

[@januszekg]

I'd love games about the pre halo stuff regarding forerunners and ancient humanity

[@oricvinton77]

Damn ancient humanity had some cool names.

[@hummerskickass]

I can only imagine how horrifying the experience of devolution was to the surviving humans that where subjected to it. I can imagine it as a fate worse than death. I would also be extremely interested in seeing a Spartan 2 try on one of the original surviving suits of ancient human armor. Since hellcat armor that it’s based on seems to work near flawlessly with Spartans 2s out of the box. Imagine how much more deadly spartan 2 would become with it.

[@basudebsarkar5487]

They won't be able to wear the original suit without extra augmentation, the ancient humans were as tall as didact, it would be like a child wearing a army combat armour dress

[@Jedi_Spartan_38]

5:16 LateNightGaming: The punishment for losing this war is now you're set back 5 billion years on the evolution scale...

[@owens7647]

Nice to see Halopedia article about ancient humans put into video form. It was word for word identical

[@shaypatrick7497]

hmmm interesting, in prehistoric era (earlier than dinosaur) we human were an advanced space civilization. then in a war we lost our technologies, knowledge, and faced devolution, then again evolved and gained back all the technologys, and knowledges. and also found the records and remains our prehistoric ancestors . Just imagine ,if this story is true in real life. how would you feel???

[@macruz8503]

@Azura: Dope!

[@AceTheCap823]

yea would be dope....crazy thing is even in the halo verse ancient humans are a lot more advanced than unsc humans

[@speedercat154]

Sounds like the stories my father told me of these annoying apes.

[@zwleathers]

Something I’ve always wondered. When ancient humanity started invading forerunner territory, running from the flood. Why didn’t they just at least ask the forerunners for help. Their argument could’ve been. That once the flood consumes all of humanity and san’shyuum They will come for you. Together we can defeat them, otherwise we will be forced to invade your lands despite knowing it would likely be the end of us both. You know what I mean? I know there was bad blood between them, but I feel like an accord could’ve been met. It just always seem kind of silly that instead of saying hey we got a mutual enemy that’s going to come and destroy us both they just start a war on two fronts. I wish they would elaborate more on that because it’s always bothered me. Imagine ancient humanity, san’shyuum and Forerunners against the flood. I think the flood would’ve been wiped out.

[@Thecowboy69997]

I believe that they tried to do something like that, but the forerunners didn't believe humanity if I remember right.

[@Wwillswords]

It actually was flood landing on one of the forerunner worlds that caused humanity to glass it sparking the war as forerunners thought humanity was getting in a first strike to take the mantle unaware of the flood until after the human forerunner war when viewing humanity's archives to find out why they were assaulted

[@eqx7168]

I think the forerunners unfortunately were not techno utopian space Buddhists, but rather techno utopian space American Exceptionalists and driven by a lot of hubris and egotism

[@Wwillswords]

@@eqx7168 more British imperialists than american

[@ls200076]

@@Wwillswords More like American but hey

[@thisisntsergio1352]

I have always wondered about this topic. Thank you for sharing it. Love your work.

[@ericbrown175]

Gotta say recently found your channel, dude you’re going to be huge. In depth lore breakdowns with such high quality audio plus visuals are hard to come by. You’re top notch.

[@barrybend7189]

17:50 the mechanicus would like to know your location.

[@sleipnirodin2881]

*It would be heretical!*

[@thewretchedpleb7484]

@@sleipnirodin2881 Deploy the toasters........ *ALL OF THEM*

[@sleipnirodin2881]

@@thewretchedpleb7484 Yes *SIR!*

[@basudebsarkar5487]

You will have to deploy all primarch to put up a good fight against a warlord squad of ancient humans

[@alexgaribay7794]

Best Halo Channel hands down! Phenomenal lore/detail. Have been waiting sometime for a channel like this. Keep up the great work!

[@shaelindholm2655]

Love the way you break down halo lore and tech, precursor history would be cool

[@djprogramer973]

I am grateful for being born when I was knowing that I'll get to see what becomes of the internet age and not just the computer age The space age takes centuries to get ready, from one ancient human to another, good luck to whom ever sees this.

[@rebelman7837]

Good luck brother- another ancient human

[@jlf13766]

It'd be awesome for some games and books to be focused around this time. Seeing Ancient Humanity vs the Flood and then with their subsequent war against the Forerunners would be badass!

[@burdenastheygo3763]

Imagine master chief in the coming games discovers ancient humans technology! 😩✋ I need the books

[@josiahtheobald5084]

You know the more I learn about the lore for Halo the more and more honorable the flood sounds

[@richardlew3667]

What was so traumatizing about what the Primordial said that caused so many humans to commit suicide?

[@eoghancarpenter8546]

Richard Lew I'd love to know

[@donaldbaird7849]

we'll probably never know, since telling us would ruin a lot of the mystery surrounding it, and thus reduce the impact of it

[@DovaDude]

Obama's last name

[@weltall7283]

The price of the PlayStation 5

[@raynursuai1036]

Primordial is actually Ctulhu

[@Alexander_Byrne]

I've been binge watching your videos and they are of amazing quality.

[@ghostpcab]

Be nice to see a Ancient Human world that survive all of this some how

[@truckingjourneys]

I'd love to know a lot more about the ancient human history in the Halo lore as far as the ships and the technology go

[@Divinci360]

You impress me again. Please continue with this series.

[@Ikcatcher]

My friend is considering on getting the MCC on PC and asked me to explain the lore to him, I worry that explaining all of Halo’s lore would break him

[@maxrander0101]

it would its too much for a person that has not spent the full time since the series came out reading up on the lore to take in it broke my brothers mind he came into the series with halo 4 and after he asked me for all the lore his response now is omg this is too much to take in

[@asmodai2025]

Halo’s lore might be a lot to take in, but at least your friend did not ask for Warhammer 40k’s lore to be explained in detail :P.

[@darkshadow54]

Bro you've just earned yourself a subscriper. Excellent video man. Well researched and well made

[@shaypatrick7497]

just imagine , if this story is actually true in real life, just imagine in distance future we discover humanity's history similar to it ??

[@AceTheCap823]

that would be wild😭😭😭

[@shaypatrick7497]

@@AceTheCap823 yes, I will vomit if such things get discovered.😅😂😂

[@AceTheCap823]

@@shaypatrick7497 it would be kinda cool tho no? somehow our ancestors were 11ft tall units that had advanced tech beyond our understandin😭

[@shaypatrick7497]

@@AceTheCap823 ya, 😃

[@markmulder9845]

out of curiosity, any clue what caused said dark ages? Also, what would happen if the covenant found ancient human tech. and did they?

[@plmokm33]

Considering that the forerunners seem to use hard light rather than plasma weapons, and the prophets were the allies of the ancient humans, something tells me there's quite a bit of irony in the weapons used to kill humans and glass our planets by the covenant.

[@ethanquirk28]

Mark Mulder well given that the Forerunners were driven to a mad jealousy when Humanity were selected as heirs to the Mantle, to the point where they declared war on the Precursors in an attempt to claim the Mantle by force and in the time after that both the Precursors were eradicated from the galaxy and Humanity mysteriously entered a series of dark ages, causing them to lose the vast majority of their knowledge and technology... I guess we’ll never know because obviously they lost the records of it in the dark ages

[@shigwig9751]

MAZING AMAZING VIDEO MAN LOVED THIS AS ALWAYS GREAT LORE ABOUT HUMANS MAKES ME PROUD TO BE ONE

[@speedercat154]

OH MY GOD SO COOL

[@thedarkknight727]

I really want to believe that Humanity was this amazing during Anno Domini. The idea that Humanity was once a dominant and respected race across the Universe, makes me feel enlightened.

[@TheNavigator4552]

The subtitles changing forerunners to foreigners is funny to me

[@OthySoto]

did anyone here read "the three-body problem" from cixin liu? the Dark Forest theory would fit perfectly in halo universe because this way the thing they call "Mantle of responsabilty" would make perfect sense then

[@basudebsarkar5487]

As with the 40k

[@iHaloZone]

Love how in-depth your videos are! Consider sending us a video sometime? :)

[@stormeagle]

just BUmp into your channel today and my god your voice is perfect for this type of content. So glad you and hiddenexpedia complement each other! ❤❤❤❤

[@avazquez3380]

Amazing video on halo lore. Keep up the great job. 🙏

[@vitalv2824]

Ah I get it, first it was mass effect, then reapers defeated and humanity achieves dominance, then ancient humans vs. Forerunners many millions of years after, next humans lose and then we come to the Halo series events. Damn

[@basudebsarkar5487]

Well you gotta put 40k universe inside of that timeline, I had that same feeling that this franchise relates every thing we can imagine of

[@Blockistium]

i have this sort of fanfictiony idea i hold onto that the Ancient Humans are actually human civilization in the future that used time travel to the past for some unknown reason, creating a time loop and perhaps the Forerunners and Precursors fit in here somewhere too...

[@matteo.franklin]

Blockistic elaborate, sounds interesting

[@off_Planet]

@@matteo.franklin basic is more like it

[@lcbrisk1837]

This was truly interesting thank you for the content.❤

[@t-sargaming2624]

this was an awesome and very interesting lore/theory. to be honest I think there should be a game about this. good job.

[@MetricImperialist]

This entire video is just him reading the Halo Wiki page word for word.

[@the_biggest_chungus7508]

Meh, so what🤷🏼‍♂️ I don't really mind. His voice is nice and the video loop looks nice in the background, so....

[@ozzyjordan8946]

man, i want the next gen of games to either be a early covenant spartan seires......or a far better choice........human forerunner war game

[@zarhun7]

Nice halo lore love history of ancient humans subscribed.

[@greggeverman5578]

Good vid, buddy! Halo isnt the biggest universe for lore, but what is there is pretty intriguing.

[@rurushu8094]

5:18 I see nothing has changed lol

[@Irishguy-sh2vc]

This channel should be a lot bigger

[@speedercat154]

Where is ye lucky charm lad

[@StoneCrow189]

Awesome vid bro. Keep it up. Any sci-fi lore would be great. 👍

[@Kensen_Ackles]

I wonder if the Endless are more tied to ancient humans, a bioweapon they created to counter the Flood but hid, or something that the Forerunners did experimenting on themselves or humanity. Counter to that, it would be interesting to see humans capable of time travel in some capacity, creating a functional immortality through stasis or a time loop, being "Endless" in existence rather than volume.

[@keithmanning8145]

Just like the movie Man of Steel where superman was coded with all of Krypton's citizens

[@genrrizeecuvsfatti4747]

Krytonians are op af..

[@ur-didact1991]

@@genrrizeecuvsfatti4747 so maybe ancient humans

[@genrrizeecuvsfatti4747]

@@ur-didact1991 ancient humans is superior in tech but kryptonian in yellow sun is op af

[@ur-didact1991]

@@genrrizeecuvsfatti4747maybe we would even found that kryptonians were ancient human lol

[@human3213]

Geniziee cuvstaffi DC lore is poorly written Halo is written better

[@timelordmagnums357]

Damn this is so interesting.

[@obsidiansndrsa3488]

great video love these vids

[@Gyrfalcon312]

It's ever fascinating to learn that in _Halo_ lore, we were leagues more advanced as a species in the B.C. times.

[@lolHERALDlol]

The Forerunners had it coming

[@Thankfully_Over]

I think a comparison between bungie's lore and 343's would be a cool video idea

[@ATF1974]

Wow!!! Nice work!!

[@bladjakazow8036]

great video man

[@jakee8]

Without the Flood weakening Ancient Humanity. Humans probably would have smashed the forerunners in a straight war.

[@tluangasailo3663]

True, human never stop progress 💪

[@TCRP117]

Watching this summation years after reading Greg Bear's Forerunner trilogy and my response to this facet of 343's lore remains the same. What science fantasy gibberish, such squandered narrative potential.

[@camelxravennova]

This is the best halo video I’ve seen

[@MattacksRC]

all great material for more games.

[@kyleallam605]

the real life adverts they released for halo 3 was actually a film that they cancelled and never released the movie

[@knighthunter5333]

“Humanity being the most dominant species in the galaxy” haaaa, sadly that is only a dream

[@Installation00]

At the moment in the halo universe, yeah, we're far from it. In our Ancient past, we fought both the Forerunners and the Flood, simultaneously, and held our own for 1000 years, until our fall. Its obvious that Humanity are makes ng steps back towards our ancient greatness. The Spartans are heralded as being exactly that. We will inevitably get there. That is unless the Brutes get themselves organised and united under common cause. Then we will have big problems.

[@knighthunter5333]

I was talking about reality

[@Installation00]

@@knighthunter5333 I agree with you there as well then!

[@PackHunter117]

Installation00 As long as the Elites are around that’ll never happen. “Brutes ships spotted. They outnumber us three to one. Then it is an even fight. All cruisers fire at will! Burn their mongrel hides!”

[@knighthunter5333]

How the hell did the Elites win the battle

[@terminalarray1047]

This channel is excellent.

[@bamaboy7627]

this was really good.

[@ganeshbachan5570]

Awesome content..wonder if we would surpass our ancestors

[@basudebsarkar5487]

We will maybe one day

[@spectospartan]

So basically chief is 50 something in modern human years, but will live for many many more?..

[@squallleonbart1200]

Dont forget his cyro sleep cylces and the time spent near or at luminal sperds affecting his real time. Probably in his 40s

[@spectospartan]

Squall leonbart I want to say, potentially late 40’s going by regular human years. On a personal level though, maybe early 40’s.

[@elijahwatson3474]

It stated IVs could possibly be active up to a century.

[@redcell9636]

He is actually almost 60yo He would be well into his 80's before noticing a small drop in performance.

[@xeniosaias]

amazing vid!

[@SafetyBriefer]

Great video.