Eco Vs Boost | The Facts On Speed Vs Rider Effort!

[@embn]

Which EMTB mode do you ride in the most? Let us know down below! 👇

[@rifleman42051]

Eco unless the Steep Grade is intense. Get an intense workout and increase the longevity of the battery with Eco Mode.

[@neilhawes7739]

Auto on Giant Reign E+2

[@tomulinek]

When I was picking out a new bike this winter, I had a clear idea: Again, it had to have a Bosch motor with a very clever eMTB mode again. Because with it, any fiddling with modes is actually pointless. I use the eMTB mode practically 100% of the time. Well tuned. ⚡

[@zurzero]

Touring and my Scott Strike 930 😁

[@fredman1085]

@@rifleman42051 I could not agree more.

[@chriswiles87]

my non-ebike friends don't understand that I still get a workout on my ebike. I just cover a lot more distance at a higher speed than I normally would. The wind from riding at a higher speed on the ebike actually allows me to push my heart rate even harder than on a regular bike because I won't overheat as easily (very helpful in 90+ degree heat in Texas).

[@andersonsridebikes]

I second this comment. I have been on several rides in temps over 100F (38C) and the Ebike makes a big difference. On a traditional mtb, I just ride until my legs cramp up because of the heat and humidity, even while consuming loads of salt and water. The emtb allows me to do so much more in the high heat and humidity.

[@megane230f1]

those non e bikes still running long after those shimano codes have f_cked your non thrashed eco ran motor eco ran as you have a small battery, ride a non e bike as it will be running long after your e bike motor has packed up after a few 1000 miles.

[@msawyer110]

Yep. I have a Levo Comp and can do 20 miles with 2000'+ elevation while other riders are taking breaks. I feel more upper body also because you ride much longer. Have done 55miles on concrete in 3.5hrs without getting off the saddle.

[@fredman1085]

I do 95% of my ride in Eco. I still love the effort of climbing but at this stage in my life, I simply can't ride all of the hills any more. To me, the ebike meant continuing to enjoy mountain biking or likely walking away. It's reinvigorated my love of riding again and ha even transferred gains to my o Road riding. A literal win-win for me.

[@rayglasscock9667]

I find that very hard to believe a bike a heavier than normal there’s climbing and there’s you say you can’t ride all the hills get it out of eco then you will

[@fredman1085]

@@rayglasscock9667 I think you misunderstood me. Now, if I understood your non-punctuated comment correctly, here's my reply. What I meant to say is that without my e-bike, I cannot climbs the hills any more. However, in ECO mode, I now can climb most of the hills. For those I can't in Eco mode, I go to Tour mode, and only once or twice have I needed the Turbo mode to get up a hill. I like climbing but "without the assist", even in the better shape that I'm in now that I have the e-bike, I just cannot make the hills that I used to cruise up in my younger and healthier days. Having done for a decent ride yesterday on my e-bike, and even with the e-bike, my knees are giving me some complaints today:( Without the e-bike, I just wouldn't go to that park any more, and that would be sad.

[@SingleTracker]

I always start in eco to warm up and get some good battery management. That way later on in the ride I have a choice of further (stay in eco) or faster ( trail). I only hit boost on steep tech climbs or on the way back to the car.

[@tonywoodford9164]

I think your spot on ! So many start high then econamise to mak it back. Start low then extend your ride with more power when your tired

[@rayglasscock9667]

I live in a place where the only way out is up hill three ways three hills and sod all this eco that and this One ☝️ life live it get on and RIDE battery management don’t make me laugh

[@SingleTracker]

@@rayglasscock9667 and i bet your back at home and pulling your pudding in no time. Some of us want a long ass spin so battery management is key.

[@Xaltae]

I tend to just leave mine in emtb now, going onto turbo only when really needed. When i first got it, i stuck to Eco. But temptation ate away at me.

[@Dogtown16v]

Full power all the time,I enjoy riding the bike with minimal effort.That’s why I got a Ebike.

[@rayglasscock9667]

At last a true reason if there were a GOLD star for honesty you’d get it well spoken

[@PaulMoody]

I tuned my Turbo Levo Eco mode to 30 support and 50 power and pretty much live in that mode using the gears to adjust for terrain. Trail mode is set at 50/80 but I struggle to keep the front tire on the ground with that much power if climbing on a trail (trail and even boost [100/100] are most useful on really steep mountain roads). I’ve only used boost on straight up smooth trails (not the rocky or rooty twisty trails Vermont is known for).

[@HyadumHH]

Would be interesting if you could post how much battery consumption (voltage drop) happened for each run.

[@danielcook774]

Would be interested in the battery consumption of each test.

[@jonathan9380]

95% eco with trail for sleep hills or if I'm knackered and need to get home. I'm used to years and years of analogue riding, so even eco seems ridiculously powerful at times 😂 Plus your range is at maximum this way

[@GC16199]

I used to ride on EMTB all the time but now I ride mostly in Tour mode. But that is mostly to extend the range on my 625 wh battery. The range I can get on Tour is around 60km with 1000D+ in dry conditions, but I have a Radon Render which is pretty heavy. Eco is only on flats and when the battery is almost empty as I feel you even have more resistance than with a normal bike.

[@craigodrz400sm]

I prefer long hilly rides on eco ,getting a solid workout and towards the end switch to the trail mode as a bit of a reward for a hard workout.. bike is Norco Range VltC2 with 900wh battery 👍🙋🏼‍♂️

[@billderas3420]

Spend 70-80% of my time in Trail mode (set to 60% assist) on my low-powered Specialized Levo SL. And only have Turbo mode set to a max of 80% for those times I use it. Only use Eco (set to 35% assist) for riding with friends on non-powered bikes.

[@rayglasscock9667]

You should consider yourself lucky riding with friends on non-powered bikes! What with so much dislike for Ebikes you’ve got true friends,!

[@Couchy67]

Turbo/boost all the way. Full power all the time for speed all the time, why wouldn’t you ?

[@ninetendopesaitama2107]

Battery. I drive also in turbo when its getting steep but most of the time tour or emtb.

[@embn]

If you're going for those short downhill blasts, that's what e-biking is all about!

[@rayglasscock9667]

Yeah why’d you get it for good 👍 one starship full power ahead ye ha

[@leefunkera]

Full power can be boring for some people, my brother! I have a Levo SL and I only use Turbo when it gets super steep or technical, otherwise Eco / Trail all the way. I love getting a work out in less time!! ✌️

[@chargeriderepeat7024]

I climbed Old Man of Coniston on a 2021 Specialized in Turbo, I cruised it, only kicking in for tech parts, torque sensor for the win.

[@tonywoodford9164]

When riding allone I want biggest work out I Start low or off then extend my ride with more power when I'm tired. When I ride with analogue I ride in eco plus which is just enough to cancel the extra weight on a climb. When I'm riding with other ebikes trail mode as we all ride faster. All give me exercise but in different places. Faster works out upper body slower works out my legs but always a workout

[@rcclan]

For me mtb is all about the down so its boost mode minimum effort so u have all that energy to ride fast

[@embn]

That's great! Putting your bike into boost to get up those climbs so you can power down descents is the most satisfying feeling!

[@Thaddeus2009]

Crazy cool dude

[@Acceleronics]

My regular ride (Pleasanton Ridge Regional Park) is 21.5 miles with 2500 feet of total elevation gain. I always use Eco on the flat, Trail for the climbs, and Gravity for the descents. There is one 25% grade climb that demands Turbo if I'm out of shape, but only if the alternative is stopping to rest on the climb. I'd love to do the whole ride in Eco, but my dwarf legs can't generate enough watts.

[@leefunkera]

Hey! I ride there as well. Where do you start and end? Mine is normally half that distance and ends after front 9. I ride my single speed hardtail but I just got a Levo SL, so now I plan to ride 4x-5x my normal distance there :)

[@markbuttery2790]

I like to ride ECO the most, but i gauge my speeds, to my friends i ride with the most .Nothing worse then seeing guys with EMTB riding off into the distance with their analogue friends miles behind.

[@embn]

Hey Mark! That's a good shout! If you're riding with friends that are on analogue bikes, it's best if you stick with them to save your battery or give them a tow! 😉

[@Indictedheart]

Man i love your videos u guys been saviors id love to see you test my Luna X2 2500watt front 160mm rear 210x55mm. I can tune my engine in dozens of ways. My Luna X2 climbs easily at 28mph. However it costs about 3000 in upgrades to make that bike match the $1000 dollar more Husqvarna hard cross. But i only like Bafang, or Bosche every other motor is too weak.

[@Shagz2149]

I mostly ride trail mode. Boost mode feels like cheating, but every now and then it can't be helped :D

[@BushmanCanuck]

Same. Eco on my Metta SX makes it feal deader than my non Emotor Altitude.

[@pierrecrevier5562]

Trail

[@embn]

Yeah, sometimes it's good to make your legs work a bit more! ;)

[@groengm2012]

Boost to get going back to eco, then use trail and boost for hills and headwinds.

[@SuperSupertube123]

I usually ride something between eco and trail..

[@embn]

It's good to give the legs a workout! 😉

[@jamespaterson6550]

Eco or sometimes emtb, my nephew is on TURBO all the way🤣

[@richardthorpe1461]

I have been considering an emtb for some time and have been going through these videos for information. This video was extremely informative and may stop me from going down this route. I had a mild heart attack 17 months ago and thought my mtb days were over until I spotted some bikers riding up a hill I used to cycle up seemingly without effort. I was looking forward to see how easy an emtb could make a climb as part of my rehabilitation. I was disappointed to see your heart rate figures for the boost mode with minimum effort were as high as 131 average with 185 max. I was hoping for a 100-110 average with maybe a 131 max. Is it possible you could have got up with less effort or should I consign my thoughts of fun rehabilitation to the bin?

[@azarialr6639]

I’m not an expert, but, what I have learned is that different ebikes work differently, have different power range adjustability etc. so his ebike may work you harder than others on the market. Something you may want to research before dismissing the idea is the Specialized Levo line of bikes. They have a feature, that caused me to buy one, as I have a tachycardia issue, is heart rate mode. So you sync your heart rate monitor to it and it will increase or decrease assistance based on your heart rate to keep you in your set zone. And remember you have 12 gears, just like an analog bike on top of the boosts that he wasn’t utilizing for the test that I saw, and he did the relaxed tests last, so his heart rate was already elevated. I don’t get my bike until tomorrow, so haven’t done full testing on it, but when the store let me demo it I found it made a huge difference. So maybe test ride a few, or rent one and see. I wouldn’t dismiss it based on a video targeted at healthy people with the intent of letting them know that can still get a workout in all modes, as it doesn’t mean you can’t go easier if you need to.

[@richardthorpe1461]

@@azarialr6639 Thanks for your very full response. I was aware of different bikes, motors, power range and adjustability. I don't think Chris was genuine when he said minimum effort, which again is a subjective description. I wasn't aware of the ability of some bikes to adjust the assistance according to heart rate. That is something I will look into and a special thank you for that nougat. I have looked at hiring but have only found locally bikes with the less powerful motors. I am still adjusting my meds, so will get that sorted first.

[@narrowonflow]

1:56 instantly closed tab

[@SchwantzKP]

I will share this with my "acoustic" MTB friends but I can guarantee they will still find a way to poo poo EMTB's. A mate said to me the other day that he had thought about an EMTB but still wanted the "acoustic" for the work out. I have to actually work harder on some of the runs I do to equal my times from my old bike! I have offered him my EMTB for the day but he declined, I wonder why......

[@rayglasscock9667]

I can’t keep up with my son on the level going when he is riding his acoustic Ebikes are only going to be better in muddy conditions on level more grip power to keep going, and obviously climbing continually

[@SchwantzKP]

@Google Account Really not so sure - particularly given I have ridden both. What I would concede is that if you sit back in boost and rely on the motor then yeah you will get nothing. Not sure why you say I'm talking rubbish, on runs that are downhill (slight declines) the motor does nothing, it tops out to fast. I still cant beat some of my times downhill - doubt I will as well.😁

[@leefunkera]

Tell your analogue or “acoustic” MTB bros that you know someone who rides a single speed for MTB rides AND an EMTB in between those rides on recovery days or for aerobic training days. That would be me lol. EMTB’s enables us to ride more and offer the ability to train while riding. The hidden beauty of EMTB’s, for those of us who value the workout and cardio fitness, is the ability to keep your heart rate within the aerobic zone for endurance training (Specialized offers this feature on their ebikes, not sure about others). That has been a game changer for me.💗

[@emtbsquad1204]

Trail mode

[@scottamolinari]

What I wish to know is, does eco basically compensate for the additional weight of the motor and battery only? I mean, does it basically get you back to riding a "normal" mountain bike in terms of effort, or does it offer more energy back into the bike?

[@leefunkera]

Eco mode can be adjusted on some ebikes, but the default Eco setting on the Levo SL feels like you have a strong tailwind on an average weight mountain bike.

[@scottamolinari]

@@leefunkera Yeah, I've done more riding since I wrote that and for sure ECO mode is a bit more power than equalizing the weight of the e-drive. What I've also learned is, if I want to get the heart rate going a bit more, in situations where holding 25kph is easy, like going down wind or slightly down hill, I pedal out of the 25 kph and go a bit faster. I lose the support of the e-motor and pedal a while like that. I get to go faster and get some pump going too. Nice. :)

[@leefunkera]

@@scottamolinari yeah bro! if you care for keeping your heart rate at a certain pace, the motor on the Specialized e-bikes can be programmed to vary its assistance accordingly to the desired BPM. It’s a wonderful feature. Which bike you been riding?

[@scottamolinari]

@@leefunkera I'm riding a Scott (hahaha!!!) Strike 930 with a Bosch Gen4.

[@leefunkera]

@@scottamolinari haha 😆 Curious, does it offer the variable assistance to help you maintain a selected BPM?

[@dermos9928]

Trail with boost on the bigger climbs.

[@stewartjackson1821]

Are you saying you need more effort in eco with the power assist set low than using boost 100% assist, is that a surprise to anyone

[@cazelog]

someone knows from where they get the ergon seats with the white letters? i can only find them without them

[@turbolevo8703]

Ride everywhere in turbo. Faster is more exciting.

[@rawmancemtb]

Boost is the only mode I've used. One time it went to ECO with the battery low. Never tried trail and not even sure if there's another option.

[@riprockenx6592]

Right on, I can't figure out why someone buys an emtb and wants to ride it like it's a mtb either. My levo is always on turbo, sometimes trail for tough climbs where turbo is braking loose too much. Seems to depend on what sport you lean toward or come from, mtbers want to ride it like a bicycle, dirtbikers just want this thing to go. And I could care less about the workout, I ride for the fun.

[@rawmancemtb]

@@riprockenx6592 Emtb tends to make heartrate more equal and making it a better workout. Normally climbing I either don't or when I can just rotate at the lowest speed to conserve energy. But with an ebike it allows you to link it all together and keep heart rate constant instead of keeping it as possible on a normal mtb. But then on asphalt and fireroad climbs it does tend to make it easier so you aren't really pushing the limit to improve. It's just different.

[@embn]

Boost for the win! Although, it's good to get an idea of what power each mode will give you to ensure you never get a nasty surprise when your battery is low. 😅

[@Thaddeus2009]

I don’t have one but I want to get one

[@embn]

Time to go electric! 😅⚡️

[@Thaddeus2009]

It sher is

[@islandaerial3414]

Since my last visit for Bosch warranty issues, I am riding in ECO more because they put more torque into ECO and TOUR Be careful when you fall off the optimum cadence window. Chains will be a snapping if you lug the DU down low.

[@Tuhopolttaja]

This is one of those things where I just can't compare, BBSHD has made mtb-rides into pretty much throttling around due to the torque you get when pedalling being too much unless you set it to 20%-30% power. It's gotten to the point where it might as well be a dirt-bike. Still fun, lots of fun, but just nowhere near the workout.

[@rayglasscock9667]

Isn’t that illegal there is set laws for how much assistance and it’s not dirt-bike performance and if it is your talking all legal requirements to ride on UK RDS

[@SuperBacDoc]

No where near the workout? Did you know that full power moto cross will give you almost same work out as analog bike if both are pushing it?

[@Tuhopolttaja]

@@SuperBacDoc yeah, a full power moto cross, not a 1kw ebike

[@phillee9651]

eco ..

[@Timashmore]

I tend to use eco but my loves going past me laughing TURBO🤭

[@embn]

There is no better feeling than overtaking someone on turbo! 😂

[@mallias2683]

Nice video Chris. The engine protective cover on this bike is sooooooo ugly.....

[@Indictedheart]

Husqvarna should of went with bosch shimano is just to weak. I hate shimano motor, hate to say it. Sorry to ep8 lovers.

[@rayglasscock9667]

Not really interested but why are bikes shown with their seats in high position did they get off it in that position! No so why and probably not going to get back on ! It’s all right keeping on about power mode being in right gear of course your not going to get up that hill in eco mode be like riding your motorcycle on tic over in top gear be quiet honest why watch condescending nonsense surely if you’ve paid thousands of £££ you should be able to ride what you brought if not? What do you want A someone to instruct you show explanation on how it works B a C a Really not that hard once you explain why to all your friends (ex) you’ve got an Ebike my excuse broke my neck smashed left elbow got two steel rods and plate in pelvis left leg don’t work as well as it did before cos when neck was damage it also partly pulled nerve away and I’m old enough to spend my hard earned money how I feel

[@rayglasscock9667]

Can’t take anyone seriously that has to reduce and relying on smutty remarks anymore like this will be reported if you can’t have a laugh and bit of fun without reducing to that

[@alantyrell41]

.... the lazy riders that don't see mountain biking as as exercise use turbo mode everywhere. Was what he ment to say.

[@rayglasscock9667]

It doesn’t have to be an exercise Why o Why’d Were does that come from our bikes and we will do with them what ever Stop being a control fanatic

[@rayglasscock9667]

After reading most but not all I’ve seen we got a load of tuff mtb riders out there refusing to use practically anything other than eco mode me thinking that there is a few fibbing going on don’t know how you don’t trip over your own front wheel like I’ve said it is bad enough to have to explain why you got one ☝️ but ridiculous claims of riding 95% in eco mode really! And I likes a good workout etc etc can’t write anything more hands 🙌 shaking laughing 😂 too much not at you with you I suppose there’s a reason why some cyclists don’t like Ebikers if they are reading about I only keeps it in eco!? Thence why I why did you waste your time money a good cyclist without assistance on level ground will blow us into the weeds off course that is your not fixing your rig to exceed the limits?that’s off road or on