The Game Theory of Military Spending | Economics Explained

[@EconomicsExplained]

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[@MrJanes-cl5sj]

what was with that B-pawn B-pawn opening? That was really weird.

[@L17_8]

Jesus loves you ❤️ please turn to him and repent before it's too late. The end times described in the Bible are already happening in the world.

[@John_Smith_86]

Downvoted for stating / implying that hunger can be eliminated. As a economics student, you should be well aware that hunger cannot be eliminated by implied definition. It is essentially the (economics) law that there must be hunger

[@NeostormXLMAX]

i LOVE HOW You used china as an example at 8:35 when the united states has consistently spent over 2 times as much as the next 10 countries combined, also the usa started more than 80 wars in the past 100 years even after the soviet union fell and the supposed world would be at peace the united states did not disband nato after the ussr dissolved and continued to build up its military and getting involved in a trail of conflicts

[@NeostormXLMAX]

if anything the prisoners dilemma proves that north korea and russias actions are correct, because if they did not develop their military they would end up like libya, iraq, chile, afghanistan ,guatamalla, haiti, nicaragura, bolivia, el salvador.

[@jasonhorton2434]

quick correction - John Nash was not the founder of Game Theory. That honor generally goes to John von Neumann who published a paper in 1928 called "On the Theory of Games of Strategy".

[@Jamala_]

Yeah but matpat founded game theory

[@paladinIV]

Correct. Even more serious problem though: the prisoners dilemma is a "dominant strategy"; i.e. a concept that existed before the the Nash equilibrium. Every dominant strategy is an equilibrium, but the opposite is NOT true. The reason this problem is famous is that the dominant strategy leads to an outcome which is not Pareto optimal (meaning that the two criminals can do better by cooperating rather than being selfish as game theory demands).

[@hammadusmani7950]

This game of "first" makes no difference in economics or math. It doesn't help any understanding of the concept. It's also unlikely that either of them were the first humans that understood and communicated Game Theory.

[@johncolbourne7789]

If his DNA is still knocking about we should make at least 100 clones of him. Institute of Von Neumanns.@@johnnysilverhand1733

John Nash is famous for playing Russel Crowe

[@ciscof4041]

One of my favorite quotes is from Dwight D. Eisenhower's Chance for Peace speech in which he states: "Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed." "This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children."

[@badmanskill1112]

Eisenhower warned us of the military industrial complex yet left it a powder keg for JFK to dismantle... which he tried... so they dismantled his head.

[@CarFreeSegnitz]

Neo liberal economics is extending this to the already wealthy. We can watch in realtime the crumbling of infrastructure while the rich make off with great heaps of money.

[@miniaturejayhawk8702]

Yeah, its either that or the blood and rubble of everyone and everything you worked for. No hard feelings here mate.

[@ciscof4041]

@@miniaturejayhawk8702 I don't understand your statement.

[@ciscof4041]

@@apsoypike1956 how so?

[@jacobjones630]

The problem is trust. If two parties trust each other and cooperate with no barriers they can achieve an incredible amount more than if they held back. Trust makes you vulnerable and in a world of billions of people only a small number in power need to be untrustworthy for things to fall apart.

[@robertperry4439]

No one can be trusted to not abuse the position of power over others; that was the reason that the founding fathers formed a government that included separation of powers, but this was abandoned when congress enacted the home land secur ity act. Now all agencies of government are controlled by an unconstitutional administrative body that literally makes its own policies and regulations, not subject to any oversight. Nine 11 was a coup.

[@ethribin4188]

Not trust. Security. Trust is not enough. It is never enough.

[@jacobjones630]

@@ethribin4188 If you have a significant other living in your house and you have knives in the house, you have no security of them not stabbing you in your sleep. there is no security from them poising you. But you don't worry because you trust them. You don't need to hold a gun to people's heads and threaten them 24/7

[@glowingfatedie]

Game theory is entirely predicated on people not trusting each other.

[@jacobjones630]

@@glowingfatedie so maybe not the best way to look at the world or military spending then eh?

[@VLADIK1502]

Finally someone has used the PPP adjusted military spending, more money does not equal more resources or military equipment

[@EconomicsExplained]

Particularly the framing that is frequently reported about America spending more than the next 10 countries, 7 of which are their allies. But adjusted for PPP it's only the next 3, none of which are allies...

[@hemshah1567]

​@@EconomicsExplaineddude India is an ally of USA, it's just not a vassal state of USA. Example being QUAD membership.

[@nishant54]

​@@hemshah1567Never fool. It's just united against china.

[@tsubadaikhan6332]

Cappy from Task and Purpose here on YT did a deep dive into the US Defence Budget. Fully 30% of their Budget disappears instantly on Rent for Property the Defence Dept has, and on Welfare payments to retired personnel. None of the other Countries mentioned are putting that in their Defence Budget, if they're paying it at all.

[@tsubadaikhan6332]

And it's safe to say India's Freelance. After their association with the British, they're not in a hurry to get in bed with anyone yet.

[@wtfroflffs]

A few years back I looked up which countries in the world were suffering famines. I learned that famines were only occurring where government or paramilitary forces were restricting access to food, to starve people into submission. Sudan and Yemen specifically. We had enough food to feed the world. Civil wars were the problem.

[@nerobernardino88]

And as the history of Rome taught us, throwing money at a political and or military problem isn't a solution by itself.

[@recoil53]

Yes, it's a distribution/access issue. The famine in Somalia was entirely because militias were stopping/seizing food aid shipments. Humanity creates much of it's own tragedies.

[@User-54631]

Wasn’t always like that, 35/40 years ago use to be paid commercials of people starving in Africa and India.

[@pooga5248]

The world for decades, has OVER PRODUCES FOOD like 10X where have you been?

[@StochasticUniverse]

I think you mean that paramilitary forces were restricting *foreign* aid. Yemen, in particular, was not producing enough food to feed itself. But, hey, Singapore doesn't produce enough food to feed itself, and it's one of the world's richest countries. If a society isn't food self-sufficient -- and there are many that are not -- the only recourse is to import food from outside. If supply chains get disrupted, whether by malice, incompetence, or natural disaster, famine is always going to be a risk. Look at what the war in Ukraine has done to food availability in Africa and Turkey just recently.

[@pll3827]

Historically, there have been nations, like China and Japan, that have significantly reduced military spending and development to focus on internal affairs. And they were successful for a time. However, one (China) became a victim of more expansionist powers, the other (Japan) saw what happened to the first, and had to do a century of development in a few decades. There's also the tragedy of the Moriori, a pacifist people wiped out because they refused to compromised on their peaceful beliefs. And that's just recent history - ask where are the famous pacifist nations of history compared with the great empires built by blood and conquest? Peace is great and all, but everyone has to want it. And I mean everyone, because if one refuses to go with the program, they'll be able to threaten others into doing what they want.

[@badmanskill1112]

I wonder if they had nukes but had a stipulation to only use them if attacked. Would that cause peace? Especially if they said we'll shoot nunerous where the politicians live and work of aggressor nation. North Korea seems to be employing that strategy a bit and no one wants to invade them. 😂

[@looseycanon]

This is precisely, why I criticize anarcho ways in economics. It's the same principle. The moment there is no government, the one with greatest market power, and that person will eventually manifest, becomes the state and begins to behave as such very much including the use of force. The moment you ban guns, the first to break the law becomes the law, because there is nothing to stop them.

[@miniaturejayhawk8702]

Exactly, only deterrence and submission are true forms of peace. Everyone says we live in the most peaceful era ever but this isnt historically accurate at all. The most peaceful times were whenever there were the fewest countries. Those few countries were almost always large empires that conquered almost all of the known world at the time. All other countries were simply too small to pose any real threat to said empires and so things largely remained stable until said empires finally ended up collapsing under their own weight. If anything the most peaceful time in history was the late 19th century because by that point the world was almost completely carved up. Either that or the 1920s, where pretty much everyone was either too broken or poor to fight a conventional war.

[@silverhawkscape2677]

I century of development in a Few decades....now I see where that subplot in Attack on Titan was inspired from.

[@tsubadaikhan6332]

@@looseycanon I'm Australian mate. We banned Guns here a long time ago, and no criminal here has 'become the law'. Same with most of the World. Of course, we weren't starting from the same place as the US, where every household could arm a Platoon.

[@Kevin-cm5kc]

On the geopolitical level i feel its important to correct the nuance that America 'defends' everyone else. They dont do that for free. Obviously. Economists know nothing is free. The shortest way i can put it is: they handle the military stuff so we do what we're told. It's a client state arrangement, not charity.

[@philipberthiaume2314]

I disagree with your assessment. The entire point of globalization was to contain communism. US obligation towards the world order started to unravel under Bush, jr. Through to Biden. The US, at best, has a modest gnp to gdp ratio and in economic terms, does not enforce any sort of membership to anything beyond military alliances.

[@lkjhfdszxcvbnm]

Defends everyone else from themselves?

[@DiviAugusti]

Which is why Germany never went for those pipelines with Russia or the UK never went with that Brexit idea.

[@rolex6170]

thats a clean very clean statement for a single word called "bullying." 🎉

[@DOSFS]

@@lkjhfdszxcvbnm From others who 'broke the rule' either just pirate or China. Most have good arrangements and benefits from the current statue quo so they are ok with it.

[@davidconsumerofmath]

yay, Game Theory! This is an area of Economics I'd love to see discussed more

[@EconomicsExplained]

It's a great tool for understanding decision making

[@Promethalus]

agreed

[@Shikomu]

Could you do a video on the economy of Wold of Warcraft? I went through your old economy of MMO videos & wish you did one. Of course, it's the biggest MMO economy which I bet you & your staff would have a blast analyzing. Can't get enough of your vids. You've taught be more about economics multiple times over anything I learned in high school.

[@StochasticUniverse]

Considering that FF14 has almost double the population (~20 million subs) that WoW ever had at its most popular (~12 million subs, circa 2010), and that WoW has massively shrunk from its Wrath of the Lich King days, I find the claim dubious that WoW has the biggest MMO economy.

[@mattwelch583]

It'd still might be interesting because of the wow token and how it's directly connected to real life economies as bots take the gold and sell it cheaper than Blizz prices, which you can only assume a majority of those buyers live in places where they could not afford to play it otherwise. I'm not really sure of the consequences overall but I'm guessing that it inflates the gold value of the token while evaporating the value of anything farmable, effectively hurting Blizz.? However, Blizzard has been truly pathetic at getting a handle on bots where it is very easy to wonder if this black market is actually hurting them or if they are somehow benefitting. They are adding tons of insane gold sinks lately which I guess would keep regular players a need to buy tokens. Botting has been extremely profittable though for these companies selling wow gold for real money and has been for a very long time. @@StochasticUniverse

[@knpark2025]

Two Australians posting videos about defense economics. This is an unexpected Sunday but a welcome one.

[@JoelReid]

Interestingly, the Emu War was actually a by product of surplus from a war. Essentially some farmers needed emus dealt with and some bright spark pointed out there was lots of ammunition left over from the Great war... and so they used it. If there had been no WW1, there would have been no Emu war.

[@12pentaborane]

Dear lord imagine if Haber was Australian.

[@aroto]

so many interesting topics on this channel week after week, very consistent quality content, thank you

[@goodfortunetoyou]

In cooperative game theory, the players choose the best outcome for everybody under the grand coalition. (The 1,1 solution) However, it requires some additional assumptions, such as the players sharing information beforehand, and actually cooperating.

[@recoil53]

It also assumes everybody has similar enough goals, sees the various options in the same way, and plays/acts the same way. The same problem can be shown when people say Putin isn't a rational actor any more. Well he isn't reading the situation the same way, has different cost/benefits, is willing to pay different costs, and isn't looking for the same outcome. France & Germany are still salty about how the UK handled Brexit, so they block a UK general from heading NATO. Macron has his own power aspirations, so he suggests a parallel pan-EU military that is not bound by NATO obligations. Germany wanted to keep cheap gas, so they get Nord Stream 2 after Russia seizes Crimea. No two (major) parties has entirely the same goal.

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EE videos; 90% economics content 10% Hilarious stock footage

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Your channel is the best for learning and reflection about global economics - keep up the good work.

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It's a great introduction! Picking up topics from this channel and then researching them in more detail on others can be a fascinating way to spend an afternoon

[@antoinehenderson1659]

I've heard military spending and warfare described as the most economically inefficient aspect of human society. However, the thing about the military is that you don't need it until you need it and if you need it and you don't have it you're in for a very bad time.

[@BigBoss-sm9xj]

exactly

[@phil__K]

You can also view it as an insurance. Sure it sucks, but when things go south you want that return

[@MichaelDavis-mk4me]

Which is also a wrong way to see it. Because if you don't have an army, your chances of being invaded go through the roof. And if you have a massive one, you will never be invaded and you will even get to dictate world policy in your favor by leveraging your power over weaker countries. Or you can just get nukes, that works too.

[@blurglide]

Buying food for people wouldn't eradicate hunger- it would cause a population spike that would ultimately increase hunger. The only way to eradicate it is for people to develop the economic resources to feed themselves.

[@Shineon83]

Exactly.

[@nerobernardino88]

@@Shineon83 And there's the issue that such food wouldn't reach its target population anyway, given the corrupt or dictatorial governments standing in the way.

[@gabedarrett1301]

That's completely ignorant and ridiculous. Today, more people die of obesity than starvation. Furthermore, the world's population is actually expected to decrease; many countries are having fewer babies than the fertility replacement level of 2.1 children per couple.

[@orangecat3021]

@@gabedarrett1301Africans breed more than they can feed.

[@bar_coin]

Aside from game theory, there is also the human psych that comes into play. When I was in college our group did a survey as part of our term paper about human competitiveness, and we used videos game genres to determine subconscious preference of "competitiveness". A huge portion of respondents chose either Hack & Slash, FPS, and pretty much any genre with some kind of action/violence involved. Meanwhile non-violent competitive games (the likes of Tetris, Animal Crossing, Sim City, etc.) almost didn't get any votes. The other group did the survey in the guise of sports and their respondents preferred contact sports such as boxing, basketball, football/soccer, hockey (both ice and field) because these are more exciting and also have tendencies for athletes to be engaged in altercations especially in heated matches, rather than non-contact sports like golf, bowling or chess because these are boring and the participants are more likely to simply shake hands rather than engage in fist fights lol. It shows that it is human nature to feel superior and some sense of pride when we are dominant violently (maybe not directly but at least in some ways). In a nation's perspective, military might is an aspect that measures a country's global dominance, and in a sense it also give its people a sense of national pride and superiority. We want things to be civil but our subconscious says otherwise.

[@andrewlucas246]

seems like you're drawing some big conclusions about human nature for the size and quality of this study. Did the study have equal representation of men and women? what about age ranges outside the late teens and esrly twenties? Is it possible that the results you obtained were a result of asking individuals from a particular society that promotes violence and aggression rather than reflecting an underlying trait in all humans?

[@witoldschwenke9492]

I don't know man. Fps games are just superior in mental demand, strategic depth and intensity of competitiveness. If you want to be truly great at fps games you need to be extremely good at many things. Slow pace games have very one dimensional skill requirements and very low intensity and a sometimes a high availability barrier (like golf ) and you don't have the same immediate rewards. Most people never being able to afford to participate enough to get good at these exclusive non contact sports. I just don't think that the study itself allows any conclusion from what you have described about it.

[@catdogmousecheese]

I think philosophy also plays a role behind the cause of war. I think people have an instinctual desire to be a part of something bigger than themselves, something that will continue to exist after they're dead. A country is a good example of what I'm referring to and what's a better way to show love for one's country than by joining the military.

[@StochasticUniverse]

Which is weird because most PvP games are not even good games; the entire gameplay experience gets carried by the dopamine and testosterone rush of being able to dominate someone else in competition. The best single-player PvE games usually have deeper mechanics and better actual gameplay. But, hey, just goes to show you that people will do anything for a cheap hormone hit, even subject themselves to playing a toxic game with which they have a love-hate relationship like League of Legends. :P

[@StochasticUniverse]

@@andrewlucas246Violence and aggression are definitely underlying traits in all humans. Hence why every country has fought wars, duh. Every human does have an endocrine system, after all. You have entire body parts that are dedicated to squirting funny juice into your blood, and sometimes the funny juice leads to conflict. It can't really be helped. Comes with the primate territory, really.

[@ticokidd]

That purchasing power parity comparison was great, and not something I've heard before. Great additional perspective to this whole conversation.

[@hrolfthestrange]

I think there may be 2 unaccounted for factors that you didn't cover: 1. The military(at least in the US and I think many other countries) is also used as a rapid response workforce for emergency situations(often natural disasters). I think it goes without saying emergencies like natural disasters hurt economic output, I think it's probable that having a rapid response workforce respond to emergencies probably lessens the economic hit of the emergencies compared to not having this AND finally while it's arguable that this could be done without the military having the military do this is likely the easiest political/practical way to have a large workforce that is ready to be deployed quickly with the correct skill sets. 2. You said that some skills learned in the military aren't economically transferable to civilian life(probably mostly infantry and munitions experts), I'm not sure if this would be considered a 'skill' per se BUT all members of the military also receive comprehensive training and conditioning to be more organized, disciplined and productive, paired with the recruitment base of the military primarily being from low education, economically depressed communities, it's likely all skill sets of military personnel go on to be more economically productive than they otherwise would have been whether or not the specific skills they picked up in the military are being used OR whether or not they also pursued easier access to higher levels of education provided by the military. Obviously some in the military become less productive due to trauma BUT I would speculate that at the macro level, retired infantry personnel are more economically productive post service than people in similar education/locality circumstances even though they aren't applying their skill sets directly. Obviously both things are logic/anecdote driven so it'd be interesting to see if there are stats out there confirming or disproving my two assertions.

[@jpablo700]

You can't solve global hunger until you evolve beyond capitalism. In capitalism you need scarcity and exploited classes. You're an economist. You know that is true deep down inside your capitalist soul.

[@ColCurtis]

Solving world hunger will not be done by giving a man a fish. All that does is make way more people who will need to be fed.

[@aduckquackquack5783]

Feeding the military industrial complex increases GDP which prevents an official recession from occurring……so never ending wars is the name of the game……

[@PutXi_Whipped]

Also why the US doesn’t have single payer healthcare. Neoliberalism is a mental disorder.

[@sugandesenuds6663]

the MIC is based

[@CarFreeSegnitz]

In the age of mercantilism the only way to grow an economy was by taking land from others. Since the industrial revolution economies have grown by innovation. Modern warfare is anachronistic, it belongs to the age of mercantilism. It costs nothing to share ideas.

[@effexon]

US style "housing bubble" (that is chinese and many other country chosen way)

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[@MiamiMarkYT]

The one thing about America’s massive expenditure is that is does facilitate the US getting greatly increased influence in geopolitical affairs. Both with the sway it holds over its allies for being their security guarantors, as well as with their rivals and neutral states that they can push around with their soft power. The ROI is difficult to quantify for this enhanced influence, but it’s undoubtedly quite valuable, as otherwise other states would not jostle for even a share of the hegemony that the US enjoys.

[@faiq026]

This has to be the best EE video so far

[@ASH9366]

Very interesting video 👍 Love your work 😎 Greetings from India 🇮🇳

[@milomhoek]

11:05 Don't know why you wrote that Portugal has 20 US military bases because it only has one in the Azores (Lajes)

[@Jonas_M_M]

0:44 - Can we dispel the fiction that global hunger is an issue of capital alone. More often than not, it is a question of political stability.

[@SageOfEchoes]

Wait until this guy finds out about “use or lose” budgets.

[@jackduane5555]

Don't quote yourself

[@hechss]

I think you left out one very important point! The US (also Russian) military budgets may seem disproportionate, but they also bring money in by developing weapons that other nations purchase.

[@fuad000100]

Money that doesn't really get spent on their people

[@MichaelDavis-mk4me]

@@fuad000100 Defense companies pay the same taxes as any other companies. I know, it's a real shocker they don't work for free, I was also shocked to learn it when I was 3 years old.

[@lancealot4943]

You did miss out on the part where armed forces are used for humanitarian or natural disaster relief (even if that is just a secondary benefit against their real purpose).

[@SurvivorsQuest1]

I am quite happy that the Great Emu War has been mentioned on this channel!

[@himanshumeena763]

this is one of the best videos recently....

[@AnnDavi-c7w]

Biggest free rider: Canada A G7 country (barely, but still) and a 27th ranked military (1.29% of GDP)

[@paksta]

Who would they need to defend from? I can see why they might spend less than nations with an extensive history of invasions.

[@wesleynicol5739]

Great video! It must also be said however that one of the biggest issues in defence economics is that you can’t quantify or really measure defence output (does spending another billion dollars on defence make us a billion times more secure? Defence is a product, but how much of it are we getting per dollar spent on it?). What is hinted at in the discussion of PPP is the idea of defence as a tournament good that must always increase in relation to rivals. Seen this way, the right amount of defence must always give us a greater capability than our enemies (or be enough to impose too great a cost for any benefit they may receive from attacking - deterrence).

[@andrewwright6898]

And the obvious questions are: 1. Is the threat real, or is the alarm being manufactured for other reasons? 2. Does international law always apply. I mean, if the Russian invasion of Ukraine is against international law, and is so called out, and the western invasion of Iraq is against international law, and is so called out, but we agree with one and disagree with another, what does this say about "defence" decisions?

[@ThinkTwice2222]

Working as a govt financial manager I'll say... Very little of that amount goes to actual weapons that destroy things while most of it puts food on the tables of millions of families

[@HeliosLegion]

War created civilization, and this is a better form of raiding. The first wall that existed long before agriculture, let alone money, was invented. The tools of the state, the centralization of power, mobilizing populations, crafting and mining exist to feed the machinery of war. You just take peace and prosperity for granted. Peace is not self-sustaining, natural or inevitable. Peace is a constant effort, a conscious effort.

[@caleblee1780]

I think this video should also point out that the u.s. military helps support the u.s. as a reserve currency and regulate how oil transactions are ultimately carried out. This has an effect of making the u.s. dollar worth more, so the military partially pays for its self in some ways between new tech, gps, the internet, and the u.s. dollar currency system.

[@theconqueringram5295]

This really makes me wonder just how far the economies of the world would develop if there was no war... or at least if there was less war.

[@MasayaShida]

learnt alot from this, great video EE!

[@henrymelon8781]

As a fellow Aussie, I’ve become very aware of our upwards inflection at the end of every sentence after somehow ending up of linguistics TikTok, and although I’m just one viewer and am in no way suggesting that you have to, I feel like your videos might benefit just a tiny bit from varying your inflections sometimes. You do you tho bro.

[@lieshtmeiser5542]

Fush and chups?

[@DistrustHumanz]

When the U.S. spends $1,000 and China spends $10 on the same hammer, then then amount of dollars spent doesn't truly represent the effectiveness of either hammer.

[@Shineon83]

LOL-Love that you used pics of your producers for the “criminals” 😂

[@enkephalin07]

You lock your doors to keep your neighbors honest. And so everyone in the neighborhood owes their shared peace and safety to not providing undue temptation to others.

[@LizardSpork]

I love that Utopia episode. "Which country?" "I don't want to say." "Why not?" "I wouldn't want to raise tensions." "Where?! " "In this room." 🤣

[@StephanTrube]

Would love to watch, do you have a link to the sketch?

[@morkzorckerborg5000]

a friend of mine was a somewhat high ranking soldier turned finance manager in one of the military branches, they were telling me stories and i would ask how much is a 50cal round or other popular consumables/ equipment ballpark cost. he had no idea, i guess its treated like other government tax pools, just one gigantic slush fund every hungry hippo is trying their best to get full.

[@JamielDeAbrew]

That’s a fantastic idea… make sure all military training includes education on costs.

[@d0fabur5st82]

or he doesn't wanna tell u

[@MJ-sh3oh]

@@JamielDeAbrew Sounds good until you realise there are tens of millions of different items the military buys, prices of which change regularly. Wouldn't change anything either.

[@watchm4ker]

What you're asking about is Procurement, not Finance.

[@Flanders7880]

It's quite well known that some of those military contractors charge outrageous prices. $5 for a pencil kind of thing

[@zoraster3749]

“Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed.” Dwight D. Eisenhower

[@V1489Cygni]

Same can be said for handcuffs. Or locks. Or antivirus.

[@badmanskill1112]

Eisenhower warned us of the military industrial complex yet left it a powder keg for JFK to dismantle... which he tried... so they dismantled his head.

[@CarFreeSegnitz]

@@V1489CygniWhich way do you mean? Is military spending depriving us of handcuffs, locks and vaccines? Or are you suggesting handcuffs, locks and vaccines are depriving hungry people of food?

[@V1489Cygni]

@@CarFreeSegnitz the second. None of those things are free. None would be needed if everyone behaved all the time, in which case those resources could be spent elsewhere but that's just not how it works. Not that I don't admire the man, don't get me wrong.

[@SpartanFishy]

Can’t believe you didn’t put global military spending on the economics explained leaderboard 😤

[@clifflogan7974]

That's because we learned its a lost cause. We tried donating money before but alas the nations with starving people are also the nations with currupt leaders that steal the donations for themselves and let their people starve.

[@dliu115]

It's a simplified viewpoint of the military spending and motivations because it briefly explaines individual participants motivations And what factors in that motivation effect thier decision making

[@litchgath]

Thanks for the analysis EE!

[@avinashkosaraju991]

honestly an interesting topic, I never thought i'd learn something like this haha

[@k54dhKJFGiht]

Thank you. The world almost makes more sense to me now! Also, I looked up that Utopia sketch on KZbin, good stuff!

[@Kalman_Gainz]

Can you make a video focusing on the personal economics of war? Basically, the ways in which the military is a better (and worse) job / career over other employers? For example, militaries nowadays have sophisticated equipment such as aircraft that need to be maintained and operated, and the military will teach you how do these things for free (financially). Personally for me, in my country, the military paid for my undergraduate and master's level engineering education. I know the military isn't everyone's employer of choice but it would be cool to see a video of how it stacks up to other employers and maybe the kind of demographics the military may or may not appeal to.

[@jackinthecube]

Great video. Explains a lot of doubts I've had

[@theghostkillz8921]

Ah yes another video telling all of us that we're greatly valued assets! That's so nice 😉

[@LuxEcon]

very thought provoking as always thank you!

[@lberhold]

Military spending causes considerable innovation: semi-conductor, carbon composites (carbon fiber), portable electronics, the internet, and many more innovations. Social welfare programs: social security, Medicare/Medicaid, and welfare do not cause much, if any, innovation. Welfare programs cost over 4x (federal and state combined) the military budget in the USA, and welfare program spending is just consumed, it doesn't create anything that drives perpetual economic growth.

[@EconomicsExplained]

Consumers would *like* something to work and perform its function, but the military *needs* it to do so.

[@jacobjones630]

It keeps people alive though... Not something you economics psychos seem to value outside of their ability to make someone else incredibly wealthy.

[@lberhold]

@@EconomicsExplained That's definitely not true. In construction for example, innovations have a need, should we build to current standards. For example if concrete doesn't have the compressive characteristics needed, or the tensile strength needed (suspended concrete, and/or rebar in concrete) then a building will collapse. If an individual needs a remote connection to perform work for a large bid or contract that could prove their ability to pay their bills for months to years to come, if their Internet, camera, or laptop do not work, it could prove an inability to provide for their family which is a need. An economy is much more complex that a conventional economist realizes, typically a conventional economist will narrow it to 1 or 2 variables such as the Fed, the military, the .... But in all reality modern society has a significant need for billions of technologies to work, from plumbing to communications.

[@CarFreeSegnitz]

Welfare was introduced as a defensive measure. FDR convinced his elites they had to give something or have everything taken by the fashionable socialism. We’re in that age again.

[@effexon]

@@lberholdI commented to other video this viewpoint.... my viewpoint is that peacetime (US) military spending is risky that there is no feedback if those R&D, new equipment actually work as you said where is no direct need and feedback of people dying, while in civilian world there is faster feedback when something doesnt work, people dont buy or switch laptop brand to do their work. Eg semiconductors which also are used in military applications wouldnt succeed as fast as those have been without extensive business and consumer use causing bigger competition and investments than military spending alone every could hope for.

[@supercommie]

Always an interesting video from EE.

[@mirzaahmed6589]

That $300 billion hunger thing is complete BS. Elon Musk offered to sell Tesla stock and donate the proceeds if the UN could show what they would do with the money, but they couldn't.

[@isalutfi]

Thank you for sharing this great content

[@EconomicsExplained]

You're welcome!

[@elismart13]

1:49 Weeelcome back! to Gaaame Theory!

[@Meitti]

Also depends what kind of military spending we're talking about. Often conscripted soldiers also act as emergency disaster relief personnel during peace-times. Example if a water pipe bursts somewhere in Finland, its the army reservists who get a call and give pure water canisters to the neighbourhood.

[@night8285]

Out of topic. Which country is the fighter plane from in the thumbnail?

[@AnnDavi-c7w]

Military tech has often led to civilian tech. Think about the internet without the US military's ARAPNET? Would the internet eventually have come about? Probably, but much later and not as developed as it is today.

[@lieshtmeiser5542]

"Would the internet eventually have come about? Probably, but much later and not as developed as it is today." Probably wouldve been far more proprietary if it was the big tech that created it.

[@davids339]

Yes, Utopia is one the best shows!

[@jamiebrake855]

Very intersitng video! and definately gained a new perspective with PPP factored in! Great to see a refreshing perspective on such a complex and controversial issue. Lots to think about for the future! One question, I'm not sure its fair to assume the biggest threat to the world is China, playing the two superpowers as USA = Good and China = Bad. There are no good sides in war and both countries are finding it harder to cooperate with competing world orders.

[@EconomicsExplained]

They are trading partners, but also strategic and ideological rivals. Conflict is not inevitable but both are preparing for the possibility.

[@rei_zx]

To calculate by PPP is nonsense, it does not take into account the quality of goods and services, and BIG corruption, yes in China the salary of the military is less, but the quality of training of the soldier is worse, as they do not have such military experience as in the U.S., and in China much worse treatment of ordinary soldiers that badly affects their psyche and subsequently and on military combat readiness. The pay is low, but the quality is also worse. Also take for example the aircraft carriers of China and the USA, Chinese aircraft carriers are many times cheaper, but their quality is much worse, because they are not nuclear as in the USA. And do not forget about corruption, which is very developed in China, and because of this the prices for military services, materials, construction can be specially inflated to enrich the local government elites and all this can not be seen in the official statistics. Also do not forget the PPP formula is very unstable and depends very much on who counts and how they count and where the data come from (and they are taken from official sources of the CCP, which is known for its falsification).

[@nishant54]

​@@rei_zxNope fool it is very realistic. Pay is high as well as output in china for their currency so, it is the only reliable metrics for measurement.

[@tsubadaikhan6332]

@@rei_zx I'm not trying to start an argument mate, but you're underestimating China. I have no insight into their corruption, but I can see ours fairly clearly. No doubt it exists over there, but the quality of goods just improves every year. I work for a mining company in Australia, and we're currently running 300 tonne Chinese trucks by remote control from a thousand Miles away, and been doing so for 3 years without a major problem. Now we're trialling self driving machines. And their aircraft carriers are going to electromagnetic launchers - I'm not even sure if the US has perfected those yet.

[@davidk.d.7591]

Indeed. China has as much or even more to lose from unsafe global shipping lanes than anyone else

[@Ag3nt0fCha0s]

Videos are now much less smug. Well done

[@bielhelp]

I love the fact that Latin America is like "bruh, this guy over there is just spending 800b, I won't even try"

[@gold-818]

Think about Central America with Costa Rica that doesn't even have a standing military.

[@gleitsonSalles]

In Brazil we try. We are the biggest spender in Latin America. And yesterday our goverment approved an adicional of 52bi BRL in military spending until 2026

[@gleitsonSalles]

Including the construction of a new class of Nuclear Submarines

[@ZeCroiSSanT950]

Look up Monroe Doctrine

[@effexon]

@@gleitsonSallesare you fighting ever expanding fleet of chinese "fishermen boats" ? or are argentinians planning new coup ... though US can via corporations stab too, so better "keep them honest" like other comment said of keeping your locks locked.

[@IamUroboros]

Thanks for doing the paid ad near the begining and not in the middle of the video.

[@Shineon83]

“World hunger could be eradicated by half as much”…..For how long? “….Or, it could eradicate poverty” (Again, for how long)? …. As long as there are humans, there will always be hunger & poverty…..AND war….(Btw, the whole, “outspend your opponent’s military” game has already been played-and won…)

[@deansch6089]

I'm not even a minute into the video and there's already an assumption that is flat-out foolish and anyone who professes to be knowledgable about economics should know better. Global Hunger cannot be eradicated at all. Hunger is a function of population. It is the dependent variable. When you temporarily get rid of hunger in an area, the population grows and you end up with more total people and some of them (not automatically in the same area) are going to be hungry. Hunger will never go away. Even more shameful from an economics perspective is the pathetic notion that if we just give $330 billion (or any other number) to The Government, the problem will magically go away. All we'd be doing is pissing away that money into the hands of corrupt bureaucrats, dictators, and the like. Then Government makes more promises that "this time will be different" while they demand even more money the next time. And then they act surprised when that doesn't work either.

[@mouneersaleh5074]

Thanks for the content!

[@sebastiencarrieres8825]

To all the arguments of "Yeah, but that was developed by the military and helped your life" I have 1 thing to say. What if all that money was spent directly to search for solutions to improve people's life instead. Imagine how much better off we would be.

[@V1489Cygni]

Not at all because someone on the other side of a border would have come and taken our stuff. Ask the precolombian peoples how not getting bogged down by an arms race worked out for them. Yes, "if there were no people doing bad things, only good things would ever happen". That's very true.

[@EconomicsExplained]

It's about incentives. Just looking for things to make life marginally better doesn't align incentives (look at Samuel Langley and man powered flight), but requiring something or else you will lose a battle>war means that you make things that work or you lose everything. It's evolution.

[@sebastiencarrieres8825]

@@V1489Cygni Yeah. The main thing that could have helped them would have been medicine. As that was more of a factor during the initial colonization. Moreso than military.

[@sebastiencarrieres8825]

@@EconomicsExplained Don't know much about Langley, just his wiki article. But the marginal betterment of the previous iteration is not the general result of research? Yes, sometimes big discoveries are made, but generally it's only one step at a time. Also, losing a battle is quite vague, as the battlefield can be economic.

[@sebastiencarrieres8825]

@@violentjiggler With that heat, better eat the evidence quickly.

[@Arturino_Burachelini]

Game theory hinges even more on outcome valuation than McEconomics (Neoclassical)

[@chillxxx241]

Investment in a military and conflict are two separate arguments. Much of military spending is done as a deterrent to conflict. Had Ukraine have been able to properly deter Russia action, the additional money spent on this conflict, waste of resources, human life, and rebuilding after the conflict. The world has had one of its most peaceful periods in history with globalization that could not have been secured without investment in the military.

[@jacobjones630]

We need armies to protect us from all the armies out there 👍Now tell me how the good guys with guns keep our country safe from gun violence.

[@chillxxx241]

@@jacobjones630 That’s not their job. Don’t be an idiot. If it wasn’t guns it would be knives, cars, chemicals, or something else. Happens in every country. We need families to take better care of their mentally ill or have somebody take care of them.

[@jacobjones630]

@@chillxxx241 You aren't going to terrorize a shopping mall with a knife or a car and you can't buy a bomb in walmart. And NO, it does not happen in other countries at the eye watering levels it happens in the US. That's like saying it snows sometimes in texas so minnesota shouldn't worry about snow. The circular logic of needing guns to stop guns takes all the responsibility off the shoulder of the firearms manufacturers who have made fortunes flooding the nation with lethal weapons. The people with all the money have the most responsibility to give back to the society that let's them make it in the first place.

[@EddieStyle]

Super good video. Good job 👍

[@jacobbaumgardner3406]

One thing to mention about China’s military budget. Yes salaries are less and things such as housing and simple goods are cheaper, but some of the most expensive things such as high end military equipment really isn’t that much cheaper. It is, but only marginally. China however does also somewhat mask its budget as it doesn’t include R&D among several other things that are included and take up a large portion of the American budget.

[@rilly1489]

Trust…….the most elusive fundamental pre-requisite for flourishing. Until we are all hugging each other, people will manage risk and hedge bets.

[@oisindowling7085]

“It’s dumb but it’s the logical kind of dumb” made me hit like

[@mynamejot8623]

You should rank the military industrial complex on the economics explained leaderboards

[@mrk131324]

How could any amount of money “eradicate” hunger? How should that work?

[@danielhale1]

I remember learning game theory from The Great Courses. It's really neat to be able to analyze a situation mathematically and understand why things happen and what the optimal choice may be. However, game theory can produce very naive results that don't reflect real life, when the theorist makes incorrect assumptions. At least for a while, it had a bit of a reputation for confidently telling consumers they're stupid and irrational, because it made naive predictions with oversimplified problems and didn't stop to think about the bigger picture. So, before you buy into a game theory result, buyer beware: check the shaky assumptions it's built on and see if they apply to you, so you're not risking suicide by good deal, etc.

[@barstokians365]

You mentioned that the Emus won against the Australian army on screen, but as one who generally listens while doing other things instead of watching, I was hoping the loss against the Emus might have been mentioned verbally as well. Lol

[@Grandprixguffaw]

You go toe to toe with a velociraptor with feathers, you wouldn't talk about it either

[@MichaelDavis-mk4me]

@@Grandprixguffaw Except if you are a farmer, in which case you just shoot it for a small bounty. That's how they eventually dealt with the problem. There aren't many scary animals to humans when they have a rifle.

[@simonr-vp4if]

Unrelated, but the stock video chess moves are all hilarious.

[@Versudan]

This might surprise you, but militaries aren't only for dissuading or fending off other militaries. Surprisingly, they serve other purposes too.

[@judelarkin2883]

I used to get lost all the time before GPS, or at least consumer street navigation GPS, even with a pile of maps in my car and printing out Map Quest directions. The kids just don’t know what they missed out on.

[@ashanmendis8091]

do you take into account the corruption in the defence industury

[@fenrir834]

Another important thing people don't understand about USA and China's millitary spending is that USA considers a whole lot of things as millitary spending like pensions, infrastructure etc, which china does not include in their millitary spending

[@Mehwhatevr]

11:55 stuff is cheaper, but so is the quality

[@titleloanman]

It’s really annoying that people keep repeating the lie that “x amount of dollars could eradicate world hunger” when the overwhelming majority of world hunger is exacerbated by local warlords using food as a means of control. You could spend $100 trillion a day on food; it’s not going to remove those warlords. Ironically enough, the military spending you’re claiming is preventing that food expenditure can actually directly assist in that endeavor.

[@minecraftdonebig]

great video

[@rustix3]

12:10 "The US only spends as much as the next 3 countries combined..." On the chart that is shown it's only 2 countries combined China and India: $504 + $274 = $778, which is already larger than $732 of USA. No need to add up Russia.

[@easterneconomics]

Let's just hope that this "game" of game theory never unfolds in our life on a global scale.

[@hubbs87]

@EconomicsExplained where did you get the stock footage of the soldiers in rooms around computers?

[@billlhooo6485]

Young people know this and they are changing how we spend our money on defense by knowing why the stuff we buying is expensive. why one jet cost about 100 million dollar, when the material cost is about 5 million.

[@leisti]

4:49 No, the internet did not "get its start as a piece of military communications". That is a persistent myth. True, the initial funding for the research project that gave rise to the internet was provided by the US military through ARPA (the DoD's Advanced Research Projects Agency, later renamed DARPA), but it was developed by US universities and companies as a civilian project.

[@ir0nsight280]

Right, it was a civilian contracted project payed for by military funds in hopes of researching military technology? thats still pretty much "get its start as a piece of military communications" tbh

[@XionEternum]

It's still worth speculating the potential of that spending having gone directly into scientific research into technological development. How much further our technology could've gone by now if used solely for that purpose.