How the EU Won Brexit

[@economicshelp]

7 Reasons why the UK Will Eventually Rejoin the EU. kzbin.info/www/bejne/e4DZdp9mabGqhKM

[@aidanwilson6035]

I don't think the UK will return to the EU anytime soon , everyone conveniently forgets that covid caused a bigger problem in the UK with the transition of Brexit going on at the same time. As a result this caused further complications and delays in adjusting to all the changes , incompetent Prime Ministers and bad policies exacerbated the situation. It might take a few years , but i believe the UK will bounce back and be stronger than ever as it is in a great position when it comes to options to trade with other countries and can be far more flexible when it comes to compromises tweaking the imports and exports to the EU for example to the UK's benefit without breaking their rules. Added benefits of Brexit which everyone fails to mention include not pandering to unelected bureaucrats and saving around £15 billion ( likely to be nearer 20 soon to pay for the EU recovery package ) in payments every year.

[@gnrseanra9070]

@@aidanwilson6035 Well said!

[@robertschulz60]

Yeah Sure whatever 😅

[@paullacey2999]

It will be in our interest to build bridges with th EU first,they wont be in a hurry for us to rejoin after all we were an anchor dragging them back....

[@ijaen]

Can this really happen? I wish it does.

[@louis-philippearnhem6959]

Rarely has a country shot itself in both feet with such enthusiasm.

[@rufanuf1]

Stupid Comment. The nations of Europe always had more corrupt governments than the UK. To join them all into one trade block was just an effort to increase the reach of the racketeering. And they succeeded. Granted, leaving a corrupt racket can be economically detrimental in the short term. Look what happened to the Kray's opponents. Or Pablo Escabors enemies. yes there's always a price.

[@Jonpoo1]

Never liked my unelected bureaucratic feet anyway. Now I walk with the crutches of sovereignty.

[@heldertorres4296]

​@@Jonpoo1 unelected? Lool that's such a lie... You voted Farage there and you say unelected.. you need to educate yourself more

[@Real_MrDev]

​@@Jonpoo1 You voted for a government that voted for the EU government. The EU is democratic, it is a representative democracy nonetheless.

[@Real_MrDev]

@@jimmagspanton669 I agree, even if the EU is representative, it isn't enough, the EU MUST become more and more democratic, and EU citizens must be allowed to vote for actual important EU policies, laws and governments.

[@Regailion]

As James O'Brien says " Britain is the first country to put economic sanctions on itself"

[@John-nc4bl]

The island nation of Britain continues to drown itself in nostalgia and it is ‘poisoned’ with ‘colonial arrogance’ and ‘dreamy jingoism’.

[@sieteocho]

North Korea has entered the chat...

[@richmondxavieriringan7491]

Japan did that centuries ago tho

[@maniadotcom6539]

Russia did so in 2015

[@EddyKorgo]

Its funny how everybody is saying that we cant live without these corporations. Everyone is so obedient. Is everyone blind? I pity Earthlings.

[@eziolua11]

UK: "But we had an Empire." Spain: "Don't worry, you'll get over it."

[@abloogywoogywoo]

No, the Monarchy had the Empire. British got shit, and the Irish had even worse.

[@tenniskinsella7768]

No Britain had the empire a d now there's the commonwealth I A mich nicer group of countries than the eu

[@marcofava]

​@@tenniskinsella7768the vast majority of which are at least a half ocean away, and even together don't have the same economy the big 4 of the EU have, let alone all 27 members together and without the legal framework the EU has for co operation between members

[@rosec6680]

​@@tenniskinsella7768most of us commonwealth countries don't want you either. In my business it's ironic that my worst, most entitled guests are British or North American. Exceptionalism has made you all unbearably entitled.

[@somejerkbag]

Lolz 😂 yup

[@Ultimime]

Even describing it as winning is misleading. The EU didn't have an agenda of punishing britain fo leaving, they simply were'nt going to extend membership privileges to them since they were leaving. It's a very British point of view to see this as retaliation or punishment. You simply stop receiving the benefits of being in a club once you decide to leave it.

[@nanakonadu-]

Wow, very clear explanation, removing all misconceptions and false impressions, thanks 👍

[@thomasjamison2050]

The idea of the EU winning Brexit is bizarre, but hardly strange for the UK to think that way. No one wins when someone commits suicide.

[@jujuba5487]

🤦😂

[@pablofernandez3284]

Right but... Eu is quiet without Britain. British always were problematic at the negotiations. No euro. No increase European laws etc. By by Britain good luck with your pride.

[@bavariancarenthusiast2722]

@@pablofernandez3284 Which is true and sad - the British were special and important in the EU, they drove most of the EU rules from the beginning.

[@rufanuf1]

Stupid comment. The EU is a corruption block. Will end up going the same way as the Soviet Union, the roman empire and even the commonwealth.

[@c.s.christopher5801]

Hitler committed suicide

[@OlanKenny]

I think the biggest problems in negotiating, is the British Exceptionalism. Every time Britain went to negotiate they seem to have gone in with a sense of entitlement that they WOULD get EXACTLY what they wanted, because they're British. The misguided idea that the EU, a block made up of 27 countries, somehow needed the UK more than the other way around.

[@michaelbaker5501]

Just saying, most of Europe needed Britain in the 1940s

[@OlanKenny]

@@michaelbaker5501 Again. Driving my point home. Britain fought a war 80 years ago and so many vocal Britons have made it 75% of their personality.

[@radjalomas8854]

@@OlanKenny thanks for saying it, same goes for the Yanks, it's really tiring

[@vollkerball1]

@@michaelbaker5501 Its not like Britain was on the ropes, with no supplies getting to UK because of the Uboats. Just a reminder, that time everyone was dependent on Germany defeat, not just the EU.

[@barvdw]

​@@michaelbaker5501 and the Canadians, and Australians, and Americans, and certainly also the Soviets were indispensable in getting rid of Mr H. The UK did not single-handedly win WWII. Probably the opposite, that war weakened them enough for the Empire to finally break down, with an economy in tatters. The UK is not an enemy to the EU, thank heavens, but frankly, even most Anglophiles in the EU aren't really keen to take you back in a jiffy, even if you'd apply. We're rather a bit sad and hurt by you leaving. But of course, you're still our neighbour, and if your house is deteriorating, that effects our houses, too. We'd rather have a meaningful relationship again, but Brexit changed the rules of the game. And we're going to follow those rules you imposed, also when you don't like it.

[@SlamSector]

As an EU citizen and pro EU, I would like to clarify EU did not win Brexit... We just handled it slightly better than UK, but we still lost overall.

[@Michael_from_EU_Germany]

Not true. The EU exports more goods to the UK than ever before. At the same time, the EU is importing less and less from the UK. The UK's trade deficit with the EU is going up and up. The EU gains from Brexit, the UK loses. The EU did win Brexit.

[@paologat]

EU “won” Brexit in the sense that it was successful in mitigating the damage (contrary to UK), that it showed the world it’s the adult in the room when it comes to negotiations (contrary to UK), and because Brexit decimated anti-EU parties in other member states (they either changed their policies or took huge electoral losses).

[@karlfranzemperorofmandefil5547]

I would say that the EU won brexit. People treated brexit like a potential threat to the EUs existence, but it’s proven beyond reproach how beneficial the EU is and in return has made the EU stronger then ever politically.

[@marxel4444]

The Eu won Brexit in a landslide It silenced EU Skeptisism and other nations threatening to leave because everyone can now clearly see what will happen if you choose to leave,what problems you face and that the EU will not let you leave with cherry picking. But since leaving the EU is no longer an option for most nations more are now focused to make the EU work, accepting reforms and try to make it better. The UK isolated themself from everything they relied on. Imports from the mainland it needs to feed itself. Financial Aid it got but scoffed at,now look how healthcare, fishing and farming is doing. Its dying. Investments into the UK gets rerouted to the EU because why build anything in UK if you cant get a lot of laborers and have to deal with EU laws and regulations regardless when you hardly can get your stuff across the channel in a reasonable time. Exports to the mainland by said laws and regulations resulting in hour long lines just to cross the channel. For me as a german its crazy that britain basicly choose to starve itself just not to admit beeing wrong. They achieved in Peacetime something that most nations count even achieve in wartimes.

[@Awf780]

​@@marxel4444 in addition, UK never truly believe in the UE proyect just interested in the common market, so probably It would be easier advance in new ue common politics

[@wernercaspary7159]

What I remember right before Brexit was the number of experienced economists in Europe and the UK 🇬🇧 advising the British people and the government against Brexit. Ignorance, Pride and Arrogance have a price to pay. No one else to blame but those who voted for Brexit. Greetings from Germany...🍺👋

[@albertclarke2826]

I voted for Brexit and would again. None of you have the slightest understanding of WHY we voted the way we did. You have no pride or guts anymore (if you ever did) You couldn't be made to understand if it was tattooed directly onto your brain.

[@valeriedavidson2785]

There were plenty of Economists advising that Brexit was the right course.. If you love the EU then be happy with it. I want no part of it.

[@theultimatereductionist7592]

@@valeriedavidson2785 If Brits are free to leave the EU without being shamed and humiliated and called traitors without being forced to physically move from where they were born, then Brits are free to leave the stupid childish monarchy and are free to overthrow the nation/the country & free Julian Assange without being shamed and humiliated and called traitors without being forced to physically move from where they were born. It is called LOGICAL CONSISTENCY: either ALL separatism movements are justified or NONE is.

[@DavidEdwards-uf5lg]

Germany is in recession, I'd keep your trap shut iff I were you.

[@DavidEdwards-uf5lg]

​@@valeriedavidson2785well said Valerie, the EU is sinking like a stone, as for rejoining? Well in a few short years there won't be much left of the EU to join.

[@edmills9160]

Who would've thought choosing to put barriers in the way of trading with the richest bloc in the world would lead to economic damage...

[@andrewtaylor6737]

Richest bloc in the world lol, the EU is bankrupt ! It's demise will unravel in the coming years, when the free money tap across the continent dries up. Then again.... Germany's huge fiancial surplus will support the rest of the block ! 😂😂

[@williamhenry8914]

@@andrewtaylor6737 The EU isn't bankrupt you numpty

[@princealex3985]

​@@andrewtaylor6737 that's what you English have been saying for years, free Scotland

[@irminschembri1081]

@@andrewtaylor6737 Don't worry, we Germans are used to being the biggest supporter of the EU since we know it is a two-way road that is profitable for both :) ! Need any tomatoes by the way ?

[@andrewtaylor6737]

@@princealex3985 Free Scotland lol, but joining the EU ? You couldn't make it up ! 🤣🤣

[@steffenjensen422]

Strangely enough, I feel like Brexit has made the EU better. And I'm not just talking about the problem child finally being out of the house; I think the reality of one member just leaving has shaken the rest up and made them do better. In the years since Brexit, the EU has had much fewer hangups and actually done a lot of good things that make me proud to be an EU citizen.

[@3storiesUp]

Absolutely agree

[@karylhogan5758]

Well said and I agree..🇮🇪🇪🇺

[@bencaspar]

I'm somewhat lazily uninformed. May I ask; what good things has the EU done? Genuine question :)

[@MrAvant123]

Dont hold you breath, the Poles arent happy at the moment and there is talk of a referendum. Your comments tell me that we were right to leave, as the EU only wanted our cash and not UK !

[@Facts_Are_Facts_Are_Facts]

France is a great example. 😂👍🏻

[@jakkuwolfinsomnia8058]

I voted to remain because I didn’t see a future with the UK going alone. All I saw was harder routes, more handicaps in a competitive world with zero preparation with no guarantees. In the EU, there was a degree of certainty that no matter what we faced we faced it together. That if one economy falls, the rest will support it. If one economy succeeds, the rest will benefit from it. It seemed the fairest club to be in. I would Trust my quality of life in the hands of Brussels than the hands of Westminster. For years, Westminster hid behind the EU for their failures. Only now it is clear to the public that these failures are the result of Westminster’s incompetence. I was Born in the UK and into the EU, Brexit doesn’t just hit me economically, financially and politically, it hits me personally because it feels half of my national identity has been ripped apart from me. I’m currently studying German and French, when I reach a level of competence I intend to immigrate to France and obtain a dual citizenship. I love my home the UK, but it’s not the only home I feel I have. And it’s drifting away from where I feel it belongs. The time of Empires and superpowers is over, the world is built through cooperation and alliances.

[@Paul-eb4jp]

I feel exactly the same, I think the UK will do okay but I feel we somehow became less, I'm currently sudying Spanish at an advanced level and intend to move there later this year.

[@jrc3950]

what a load of crap

[@manuelatreide]

U're welcome in France, Germany or whatever EU country you choose. Just be serious enough to get a citizenship and become one of us!

[@richardwills-woodward]

My national identity was ripped apart when we joined the EU. Hundreds of years of the most advanced civilisation in human history institutionally and economically flushed down the toilet by communists.

[@CitronCassis]

The economic context is very positive in France with many positions / jobs offered. You will find a job easily. You’ll be welcome in whatever country you choose.

[@Incidental104]

If the UK wants to rejoin but expects to keep all the previous perks, they might face backlash from the EU. The EU could say, "If you don't want Schengen and the eurozone, rejoining is a no-go." It's a bit ironic since the UK previously enjoyed special treatment and deals, yet they still had the classic Anglo-Saxon ego for pursuing their own interests as if we were their oppressors. This kind of thinking, where the Anglo-Saxons want special deals, is frustrating for Europe and beyond.

[@danieldoesrandomstuff2501]

If they ever want to rejoin they can throw their shitty pounds in the trash and need to adapt the Euro and the Schengen area. No more special treatment for those annoying insects :)

[@firstpostcommenter8078]

True. Ireland is fine with Schengen but couldn't join because of Good Friday agreement with the UK. So if UK ever applies to re-join the EU then EU/Ireland should force the UK to be part of Schengen. Otherwise it will be on EU/Ireland to deal with the BrExit mess again in the future

[@austineogbata284]

We had the likes of Boris and nigel at the forefront. These are people motivated more by ego and personal ambition rather than common sense

[@RichardThomas-o2k]

No better in or out.

[@T0MT0Mmmmy]

I don't agree with your opinion, that the EU intension was to make life hard for the UK outside the EU. It just can not be, that outside the EU you have the same benefits as inside. No cherry picking. And many of EU offers were rejected by the UK.

[@louis-philippearnhem6959]

I agree

[@jujuba5487]

You are right. The uk arrogance ...always the victims. 😂

[@rufanuf1]

Yep. That sums up racketeering nicely.

[@rufanuf1]

@@borisj To leave.

[@lozkko]

Of course, a realistic approach to the negotiations would have adopteda custom's union or the single market. But no, the UK thought that they are so much smarter than Norway or Switzerland, who picked a few areas of interest for divergence, and for the rest do as they are told by the EU. While the UK is a much larger economy than NO or CH, in terms of international trade it is just not large enough that it can write its own regulatory standards and call the shots.

[@kevingeaney7741]

By the way , the EU did not soften it's stand on the Windsor deal, this was on offer from the start but Britain rejected it! The Irish government held 60 meetings with each EU state to ensure that the Good Friday agreement, ( 25 years old this week-end), would not be damaged by the Brexit outcome. The EU remained unanimous on our side.

[@nocomment3294]

Not backing Ireland and Good Friday agreement would have been a fatal mistake. Good that enough people had common sense not to jeopardize this compromise. Sadly the english won't simply give up on their occupation, i don't envy the Irish who still have to put up with those pricks.

[@nirfz]

As a central european, it seems clear to me that EU member states would support another memberstate's position instead of the position of someone wanting out of the EU. (Anything the Brexiteers accused the EU of basically meant the remaining memberstates were accused of and "in a club, the members are more important than someone who left the club, that's the whole idea of a club".) Even more so when the position in question is about something that resulted in peace after a long bloody conflict and not supporting the member state could result in conflict again.

[@nirfz]

@@donalkinsella4380 Were they then? So they were bringing water to a river. Also that's like if the EU would be telling the US on what they should do about their border to canada or mexico... I mean it's nice to see that they too were on the Ireland supporting side of it, but it's as influential as my examples with the US borders. Sometimes it seems like the US, like the british think they are the center of the universe and their opinion on everything is important and influential on everybody more than it is in reality.

[@karylhogan5758]

Correct👍🏻🇮🇪🇪🇺

[@kevingeaney7741]

@@nirfz Biden told Boris expressly and publicly that there would be no US trade deal in Irish concernes were not Accommodated. I am a very happy Irishman for that!

[@roryoneill9444]

Ireland held over 400 diplomatic meetings in every capital in the EU to make sure that the Irish border and peace in the North was a EU red line & Ireland also organised ferry routes around the UK to avoid the Landbridge, which has lead to an increase in Ireland direct trade with other EU countries and also massive increase in Cross border Trade on the Island of Ireland. Ireland, like most EU countries, have been planning for Brexit for years, only the UK hasn't planned Brexit..

[@paureh9573]

That's true. UK thought that the EU would never support little Ireland, that they would throw the Irish under the bus because they considered UK trade was indispensable and more important than supporting Ireland. Apparently, being a member of the EU is more important than being an outsider. Who'd have thunk it? The Irish understood British tactics, no landbridge? no problem!

[@roryoneill9444]

@@paureh9573 the thing that most Brits forget is that Ireland is a HUGE market for the UK, about 20% of the UK's agri-food sector's exports goes to Ireland & the UK's Government's attacks on Ireland during 2018/19 annoyed some of member Nations (tell Poland that Poles in the UK would be given rights if Poland threw Ireand under the bus didn't go down well in Poland). Patel's statement about "Food Shortages" ended any European thoughts about throwing Ireland. it also brought the USA down on the UK..... WTF was she thinking? It was also seen by Europeans as stupid due to the high exposure the UK has to the Irish market in 2022 Ireland was the UK's 4th largest market for Goods and Services is £53.6 billion.

[@Arltratlo]

its so cool i can now travel to Ireland via ferry from Belgium straight to Ireland... no need to drive down to Cherbourg anymore... thx Brexshit, you made my life more easy!

[@timlinator]

@@paureh9573 They also didn't think US would side with Ireland over UK.

[@rwo5402]

And who would have tought that the EU would stand by Ireland through these difficult times. Certainly the british didn't think that would happen. Actually in hindsight the british made the same mistake/miscalculation about the weak/bickering/irrelevant EU that Putin made about the weak NATO/EU and western democracies. The Brexit cl&*&rf*&k should have been a cautionary tale for Putin about how perceptions can be very wrong.

[@KiloWattPlays]

It has Always been amazing to me that the country with the most exemption and special rules from the EU would leave.

[@gerdd6692]

Well, it negotiated those exemptions and special considerations as the price for joining. The negotiators on the EU side must have thought it was worth it at the time. It is unlikely they will ever make that mistake again ... I am still undecided what actually drove the UK into the EU - the need for a replacement "empire" after the first one and then the Commonwealth drifted away (could be, but look what they have now - Scotland, Wales and a growing part of Northern Ireland casting longing looks at the greener grass across the border) - or a vague sense of needing to fight the union of the other European nations from inside rather than being helpless outside - well, Westminster has been on the brakes on many occasions where the rest of the union wanted to move forward, but eventually the strategy of a "Europe of variable speeds" meant that they couldn't hold back progress anymore. There are other parts of the world nowadays where people manipulate public opinion in order to reach their private goals against the actual interests of a majority. Brexit may have been the first in modern times. Ironically, it seems, none of the perceived advantages of "going it alone" have materialized. There is a lesson in there somewhere ... My feelings at the time were: There are a number of things the Brexiteers criticize about the way the EU has evolved and now functions (unanimity is one, the lack of an expulsion process for countries unwilling to abide by the rules is another - and a few mistakes that were made when instituting the Euro (you can't have more than one fiscal policy for one currency, as the Greek crisis demonstrated, if nothing else)) - but the answer to all of that is not "let's get out" - it rather is "let's get together and fix it." Historically, a mechanism could be the formation of an "inner circle" that will fix these problems for all countries that join it - and only countries that agree to these rules will be invited in, and those that stick by them will be allowed to remain - a suspension mechanism might be used for a "warning signal" ...

[@KiloWattPlays]

@@gerdd6692 oké first. That's way to long for a youtube comment. Second It's money, eu is auto join of eu trade deals, look what they got with USA. Almost useless. They wanted access to the market, made profit off of it. And totally forgot they did and left

[@tenniskinsella7768]

Kilo wattplays who said we had the most exemptions Maybe y have made that up We paid the send highest money and got less out of it than other countries

[@gerdd6692]

@@tenniskinsella7768 Probably Fake News, blame Nigel Farage (is my guess ...)

[@thegreypenguin5097]

that's partly why it happened imo. the UK was not sufficiently integrated for the average brit to feel or care abt the benefits of EU membership until it was too late

[@joedonnelly6721]

The EU had plans in place and the Westminster was shooting from the hip. Westminster never expected brexit to happen. As an example, Ireland started working on solutions as soon as the referendum was announced. Westminster still does not have a plan.

[@fransdigitalmediaservices3912]

Ireland apparently had registered a Domain Name relating to Brexit issues, for use by one of its government departments 6 to 9 months ahead of the Referendum. They actually had done a risk assessment compared to the UK who did not. They had a plan to deal with the fallout prior to the voting day. As Bertie Ahern said, the Irish might be a little Mad, but they are not stupid.

[@robtyman4281]

The ROI now almost bypasses the UK completely. Trade between it and the UK is now much lower than we in the UK think. But the Tories won't admit this, so most people are none the wiser. Also, most Brits don't take any active interest in European affairs even when it involves the UK. It's what led to many voting for Brexit in the first place. This 'blanket' ignorance.....and if I may add, arrogance too. People here are perfectly happy to remain ignorant - walking around with their eyes closed. They are content with only hearing one side of the story, so will never get the fuller picture because they refuse to hear from the other ear.

[@fitzstv8506]

@@robtyman4281 The UK accounts for a declining 10% of Irish trade that is a far cry from the pre EEC/EU era 50 years ago when the UK accounted for about 90% of Irish trade.

[@robtyman4281]

@@fitzstv8506 .. well, there you go. That proves the point I was making in my previous comment. I didn't know the exact figures - but I knew they were far higher a few decades ago. But it shows the extent to which Brexit has harmed the UK in just six years, and how much it has actually benefitted the ROI in the same period of time. It doesn't take a genius to figure this out. You just have to be interested in Europe, and European affairs. And walk around with your eyes open - if you know what I mean.

[@gloin10]

"As an example, Ireland started working on solutions as soon as the referendum was announced"? Actually, the Irish government began scoping exercises and limited contingency planning about FOUR YEARS BEFORE the UK got around to announcing its referendum date. Three years before that exercise in self-mutilating idiocy, the Irish Civil Service and most of the main economic stakeholders were working from an 88 page document which listed every conceivable version of Brixit, and the appropriate Irish response to each and every one of them. So when the result was announced in London, the Irish government put its plans into effect, and our Diplomatic Service launched a blitzkrieg across the 26 capitals of our EU partners, as well as Brussels. By the time the British got around to invoking Article 50, the Irish had made sure that every one of Ireland's 'Red Lines' was incorporated into the negotiating mandate given to M. Michel Barnier. The Irish were, as they say, "Way ahead you, boyo!"

[@marcelrenes2435]

To be fair, we in the EU tried our best to let the UK leave with minimum consequences. But the UK government, espacially Boris Johnson, rejected all our proposals. This led to the current situation, a relativly hard Brexit. If you let May go on with her Brexit, the consequenses would have been less dire. We suffer also from this stupid policy. But nearly not as much as the UK. Greetings from The Netherlands

[@Baron-Ortega]

No you didnt you bunch of liars

[@Quetzietse]

We have been way too nice on the Brits honestly, we keep treating them better than they deserve. I think that is the main lesson the EU should learn from Brexit, that we have always been way too lenient with the UK and have been way too co-operative and patient with them and their whims.

[@damarmar1001]

@@Baron-Ortega losers calling themselves lords are ridiculous

[@therealdutchidiot]

@@Baron-Ortega Go ahead. Back that up.

[@bria243]

@@Baron-Ortega Oh please, the United Kingdom is some of the worst liars out there. And you guys can't stomach the thought that some of your other parts like Scotland might leave as well.

[@jasc4364]

As a European I was extremely disappointed when the UK left the EU. Today I don’t care at all anymore. The EU doesn’t have much in common with the UK and the other way round. The pro-EU British don’t make rejoining a priority, one barely hears them. Political parties avoid talking about rejoining. That’s a sign that even if the UK rejoined, it would be a very unstable commitment. We don’t need that. What would the UK bring to the EU? Nothing, the UK being gone doesn’t make the slightest difference in my life. The UK politicians have proven to be a very aggressive and childish, so stay out, we don’t need endless bickering.

[@jorgebarriosmur]

Exactly my point. Right know, UK seems like an untrustworthy partner. Instead of blaming the other side for the disaster they are now in, they should focus on reaching a consensus in regard of what kind of relationship they want to achieve with the UE, what they are going to offer in exchange, and what are they going to do if the UE rejects their offer........... And this should better be a widely accepted consensus.......I don´t think the UE is going to accept any deal that is not backed by a significant part of the british population, both globaly and in every part of the UK....... the biggest win for the UE with Brexit, is that we can now hapily ignore UKs constant pocking for a speacial treatment and renegotiaton of already closed issues....... I don`t think ANYBODY in the UE wants to go back to the times when the UK got always their way by constantly blocking anything and anybody with their veto..........

[@mattia8327]

They were never commited (as even Charles de Gaulle warned us), without them it will be easier to continue with the EU vision

[@nameisamine]

The pro EU people in the U.K. have been silenced 🔇 if you come out in favour of rejoining it’s pretty much political suicide at this point. Lots of remainers got exhausted of arguing about Brexit and just decided to move on.

[@RazorMouth]

Don't be, the EU is only about economics for the UK. They're only polling showing regret for Brexit now because their economy is being damaged.

[@ricado372]

You don't hear anything from rejoin because the billionaire owners of the media support brexit. If political parties criticise lord god brexit they will be destroyed with disinformation by the ruling class. The BBC can't even criticise it. They report what the tories will allow them to.

[@cyb3r1]

Correction: The term Grexit appeared before the term Brexit and it was never about Greece leaving the EU, it revolved around the discussion of Greece potentially leaving the Eurozone (a.k.a. abandon euro as its currency)

[@IAMJEFFREY-cw9ns]

Greece is a joke.

[@helgaioannidis9365]

If I'm member of a golf club and decide to leave, I will not be allowed to use the court any more, neither will I be invited to club parties or benefit from collaborations of the club with local businesses. Now I could argue that the club is "punishing" me for leaving or I could acknowledge that I can't keep the cake and eat it. Of course my choices have consequences. Either I'm a member and have the benefits, or I'm out and don't have them.

[@JohnMartin-oh6bf]

Exactly…as Europe has pointed out in the past more than once,leaving the bloc was the uks idea not the eu’s.

[@NuclearFridge1]

"But... But they made me do it! 😭" No, it was a clueless exceptionalist reaction based on the (false) belief that Britain is still an empire that the whole world should respect. We have two budget-size aircraft carriers that do not have aircraft. One of them was put together so badly it's a floating piece of junk. And yet our political leaders keep squawking about how much we "count" on the global stage. Please...😒

[@ScottA2345]

WAY too much common sense there.

[@A_10_PaAng_111]

​@@JohnMartin-oh6bfI'm sure they're well aware whose idea it was. The EU better get off its high horse or else in the next 50 years there won't be an EU

[@JohnMartin-oh6bf]

@@A_10_PaAng_111 hahaha why not?

[@LarsvanZon]

Two remarks, if you step out of the family of the EU, dont be surprised that you are no longer treated as a family member. And in negotiations, it is quite normal that if the parties are not equally matched, the stronger will get the upperhand. As the people in Northern Ireland and Scotland could have told you (and experienced even after brexit from the UK governement).

[@rudewalrus5636]

Why anyone thought the UK would/could get the benefits of the EU without being a member still baffles me...

[@Lostouille]

​@@rudewalrus5636 because Britain exceptionnalism

[@a0flj0]

​@@rudewalrus5636 They believed they were negotiating with colonies.

[@OnlyGrafting]

Stfu about Scotland and NI. The elected government in NI complained and got their fix. The Scottish government only exists because the greens cheese regional elections. They're a minority government with a majority of the seats making it a majority government. Scottish voters still voted for Unionist parties more than they did independence ones and polling continues to show a strong consistent lead for unionists. You're exacerbating something that the people in question aren't even fucking fussing over anymore.

[@cloudwalker9572]

@@rudewalrus5636 because they always were getting the good deals in the EU. The UK basically had nearly all the good and nearly none of the bad. UK will never make a good ally and will always feel superior and entitled, proof being the Brexit. Good riddance and sorry for the poor people that got gaslighted into economical suicide.

[@Anker242]

I am from Germany and worked as a Social Worker in the Uk. I went back to Germany together with my british born husband who is a carer , because of the lack of health care under the NHS and the lack of social security. The british system isn‘ t as great as some british people like to think.

[@abloogywoogywoo]

Yeah, being in or out of the EU was a shitty deal for the working class British public. Most of the plonkers on this comment section are the metropolitan elite of London, who have foreign interest or properties abroad (expats), so of course, they have their reasons to criticise a democratic result they didn't agree with.

[@burstcity3832]

Nope, but it stops the rise of fringe parties.

[@Jatadhari1000]

@@abloogywoogywoo you do understand that in a ''democracy '' you have th right to disagree with the current result, and that's why there are elections after every few years to allow you to change your mind , and it doesn't make one a ''metropolitan Elite plonker '' if you disagree with a result ? or ... don't you know that ?

[@abloogywoogywoo]

@@Jatadhari1000 No you have to respect the result, don’t be a crybaby.

[@tenniskinsella7768]

Lack of care under the nhs that's crap

[@graemegillett6437]

As an Aussie, Brexit is the funniest thing that has happened to England in years. Bloody Hilarious, England didn't just shoot itself in the foot, it turned a machine gun on itself and kept shooting

[@FallenPhoenix86]

Keyword: "England" ... signed an unfathomably pissed off Scotland...

[@JT_Williams]

Because we had a bunch of fucking remoaners running the country doing everything to make it fail. 20yrs from now is when we can judge if it worked or didn't

[@funfungerman8401]

yeah i feel really bad for scotland, north ireland and wales, they just got no say and this all and didnt even got the oppurnitiy to leave the UK/GB@@FallenPhoenix86

[@iwiwt]

@@funfungerman8401Wales voted to leave too

[@tnickknight]

Boris/ Nigel/Trump made a joke out of the UK. The reality is that the UK was a loudmouth that the EU is better off without

[@moochincrawdad]

Boris and Trump negotiated great deals, the best deals, everybody's saying it! Fooled by great liars, the best liars, only now everybody's saying it!

[@rufanuf1]

A mutually agreeable position.

[@Paul-eb4jp]

The EU is not better off without the UK, everyone has lost, the UK still has Europe's best universities, science and innovation, the UK is still an important NATO member and high contributor, Trump and Johnson only represent a small minded and particularly unpleasant brand of populist politics which was a snapshot in time.

[@rufanuf1]

@@Paul-eb4jp The EU lost. The UK. Didn't they?

[@tnickknight]

@@Paul-eb4jp over rated universities

[@oldskoolmusicnostalgia]

This is not about winning. The EU was simply prepared for that scenario when the UK wasn't. In fact I doubt this was ever perceived as an issue of "win" or "lose" in EU nations. That seems to be a very British, zero-sum game perspective. Similarly, there is no "punishment" being imposed on the UK by the EU, the former is simply being asked to respect the terms it signed up to.

[@stevehayward1854]

I think we won by regaining our independence

[@babydollface]

@@stevehayward1854 Independence to do what? What can the UK do now that it couldn't when it was a part of the EU?

[@a.w.4457]

Exactly! Greetings from Germany

[@stevehayward1854]

@@babydollface Decide who makes the rules for one. Who we make trade agreements with for another, lol you are well brainwashed lol or are you just a troll/bot

[@andreww9513]

@@stevehayward1854 Coping.

[@Don-Coyote-De-Transylvania]

UK: I want to leave the club but to keep the benefits of a club member because i m better than everyone else and i deserve it. EU: Nope

[@DjMarkyBatch]

cue recession in Germany and violent protests in France and corruption with Qatar in the EU commission. lol, you couldn't make it up.

[@tenniskinsella7768]

No we don't have that attitude at all

[@Don-Coyote-De-Transylvania]

@@tenniskinsella7768 You do and you are on denial.

[@Clery75019]

​@@tenniskinsella7768 That was definitely your attitude during all that tiresome Brexit.

[@williampatrickfagan7590]

Like a man divorcing his wife, But still expecting to be invited over to her bedroom for fun, frolics and fcuking.

[@StrongKickMan]

The crazy things is that the UK had a special status within the EU. So even if it would return, the deal would be worse than what it was before

[@lucapandini909]

I think even the wording shows a "British bias" on it. "Won" , the idea of punishment and so on. The fact is the the Brexit was a political choice at whatever cost. Brexiters had hidden the costs and the remainers' prevision came true and there will be more and more. The aggressive attitude was from UK. I remember the display of war ships during the negotiations on fishery , not to mention many other attempts to disrupt the UE unity, the claim that EU was a club but UK owns its walls, the BOE declarations during the Euro crisis ... the list is incredible long. The reason of getting free from EU regulations is simply false, as UK was the author of the trading rules, free market laws more than any other country in EU. UK was a main affluent country and slowed down the European integration process. I welcome you out of EU. The true reason of this bitter British attitude is English nationalism that was in fear of the disintegration incoming on UK, with the possible Irish unification and Scottish independence. For Scotland being out UK and without EU it would be much more difficult to sustain its indipendence. That why the British were so belligerent and trust betraying . I think no European though Brexit in terms like this as there was a battle to win. Please stay out EU until you have a serious share of the European dream.

[@genghisthegreat2034]

Sharing the European dream is the key requirement; the EU is about far more than economics.

[@arturobianco848]

Well said

[@niclaslindman]

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[@louis-philippearnhem6959]

@Genghis The Great Indeed. The UK was never really IN the Community. First, they didn't want to join the EEC. Then, in the sixties, they wanted to join but only on their own terms. In 1975, only two-and-a-half years after having entered, the UK had a first referendum. In 1979 Maggie wanted her money back, which she eventually had back in 1984. But this was still not enough. Just before 2016, the UK had the best deal with exceptions and opt-outs, but it was still not enough as Cameron wanted yet more and more exceptions. It was never enough and it never would be enough. They saw the EU as a profitable free trade zone. Nothing more.

[@lws7394]

​​@@louis-philippearnhem6959 Cameron? Cameron? He was against brexit. He did not want anything of the referendum other that apeace some fractions within his own party. And when there was a minor majority in the non binding referendum he had no balls/political flexibily to reject it . What an idiot.

[@gurhanweyrah3930]

The British were too arrogant too see how symbiotic the relationship was. They just saw what they were contributing to the EU in monetary value and said: “Hey if we stop paying that to the EU we will get rich” of course they conveniently left out what they were getting in return like cheap labour force and market for their goods. They basically wanted to reap all the fruits of being a member of EU without contributing anything which is a very stupid and arrogant way of seeing things.

[@nirfz]

And they could have looked at Norway and Switzerland to see that it doesn't work that way. (Both countries basically pay kind of a membership fee for the access they get. But both have no vote in any decisions. And for anything they want to trade with the EU, they have to follow EU regulations of course, just like everybody else. So with both countries it looks to me like they would benefit more if they were part of the EU, as they then would also have a say in things.)

[@sambranton3346]

I think your wrong. People had many reasons for leaving the eu. And deemed it worth it even if that meant the economy suffering. Its sad in the months before business leaders telling you to vote remain, as they relied on cheap disposable labour from poorer eu countries. I'm happy we voted to leave, and not surprised our politicians did everything to water it down so we kept one foot in. Next time a vote like this happens, and your side wins, how will you feel when they ignore the vote in every way they can and deliberately screw it up so they can get their own way?

[@MrsGardiner]

@@sambranton3346 Cheap, disposable labour from poorer EU countries? Just listen to yourself and the utterly despicable way you describe people.

[@jonsimmons4150]

wrong!- the UK was the EU cash cow and job center for 30 years.

[@BruceBoschek]

Roses? Oh, yes! Thorns? NO, NO, NO.

[@jamesmcdonnell6702]

What people in UK dont seem to understand is, the EU is primarily a peace project and secondarly an economic project,

[@lowlandtech]

no such thing, economics is just war by financials mean, if you are not on our side, you are the enemy no matter what you!

[@clivestraw1913]

Just like the third riech was full of crooks and slimeballs

[@lowlandtech]

@@clivestraw1913 you seriously comparing the eu to nazis 🤨

[@mendesjosr4438]

Love your comment. It is what is believed in mainland Europe. The economic side is just a tool to unify. The Fathers of Europe grew up after WW1 and went through WW2. A major cause of these wars was about who had access to resources and markets (who had colonies and large territories) and who did not. Hitler put it plainly with the concept of Lebensraum. The EU is born with the Steel and coal common market. As coal was needed to make steel and countries would block access to coal the only way to get it would be through war. CECA solves this problem and the idea expanded to other goods and then eventually to the creation of a whole common market and then economic union But the economic side is just seen as a practical tool to reach peace.

[@francesconicoletti2547]

What the UK doesn’t understand is that the EU is one of the most post WW2 political projects ever. It’s peace through economics. Liberal Capitalist Economics. More trade more free movement of people means fewer disputes between countries. Corbin and the Labor left looked at that as saw Liberal Capitalist Economics, therefore evil. The right looked at that and went dilution of power of the state , up to the EU down to the regions , down to citizens and therefore evil. Most of Europe knows what the power of the state can do when it gets going , their memorials are vast and recent, and is happy to dilute it

[@andrebiedenkopf4172]

The EU wasn’t fearful, it was the UK being arrogant.

[@tenniskinsella7768]

We are not arrogant but you are ignorant .

[@intercalz]

Brexit was a self inflicted wound decided by most voters not knowing (or caring) how the world works. EU did not have to work hard to punish UK. Why should EU spend their energy and focus on rehabilitating UK when that could be better spent on other new and potential EU members and yield higher returns. If ever UK succeeds in joining EU again it will come at a price (akin to double taxation) and will have to adopt Euro as the currency which will limit the monetary policy options it had when it was part of EU earlier.

[@paologat]

If and when UK joins the EU again, there will be no double taxation. But UK will be required to pay its membership fees in full. It’s shameful that, decades ago, the EU caved in to Thatcher’s demands and granted UK a massive rebate (as well as other privileges). UK should be kept out of the EU until it’s willing to accept all the responsibilities of membership - not just the benefits.

[@fitzstv8506]

The UK in it's present form will not rejoin the EU! an independent Scotland would likely join the EU and Northern Ireland will automatically become a full member upon unity with Ireland (NI is effectively a member anyway but don't say it out loud cause it causes offence to some!).

[@suntzu94]

@@paologat wales, Scotland, and NI will rejoin. France and Germany don’t want the English peasants back

[@trident6547]

@@paologat That is exactly what the current rules say. Article 50.5 of the treaty of EU says: "Any country that has withdrawn from the EU may apply to rejoin. It would be required to go through the accession procedure.". This is the accession procedure prerequisite that UK has to meet in full to be able to apply for membership: The EU assesses the readiness of applicant countries according to three accession criteria defined at the European Council in Copenhagen in 1993 Specifically: Political criteria: stable institutions guaranteeing democracy, the rule of law, human rights and respect for and protection of minorities; Economic criteria: a functioning market economy and the capacity to cope with competition and market forces in the EU; EU acquis criteria: the ability to take on and implement effectively the obligations of membership, including adherence to the aims of political, economic and monetary union. At the same time, as defined by the 1995 Madrid European Council, applicant countries are expected to develop their administrative structures and the EU needs to be able to integrate new members. The acquis is the body of common rights and obligations that is binding on all the EU member states. It is constantly evolving and comprises: • the content, principles and political objectives of the Treaties; • legislation adopted pursuant to the Treaties and the case law of the Court of Justice; • declarations and resolutions adopted by the Union; • instruments under the Common Foreign and Security Policy; • international agreements concluded by the Union and those entered into force by the Member States among themselves within the sphere of the Union's activities. Candidate countries have to accept the acquis before they can join the EU and make EU law part of their own national legislation. Adoption and implementation of the acquis are the basis of the accession negotiations.

[@paologat]

@@trident6547 I’m well aware of the rules. But, for some strange reasons, many self styled rejoiners believe that these rules wouldn’t apply to a returning UK. They probably think that the EU still needs UK more than UK needs EU, or that UK’s grandfathered privileges (as they haven’t been formally expunged from the treaties after Brexit) would automatically be restored. I hope that, when the time comes, the EU will stand firm and not make the same mistake it did with Thatcher.

[@irminschembri1081]

Why should the EU have given the UK preferential treatment compared to other THIRD countries ?? Ahhhh, because the UK was used to being EU's pampered child, wasn't she ? And the "win" was 27 - 0, lol.

[@rufanuf1]

LOL now that is a joke.

[@Hardcore_Remixer]

Bother to elaborate?

[@saturday1066]

@@Hardcore_Remixer which part didn't you get? EU has laws about "third" countries.

[@Hardcore_Remixer]

@@saturday1066 I understand that UK is now outside of EU, but what does 'EU's pampered child' refer to? Was it about negotiating the conditions in which UK would comply with some EU 'recommandations' of laws or the fact that UK wouldn't agree with all of them?

[@neovis778]

​@@Hardcore_RemixerBecause the UK had many advantages not available to other countries in the EU and opt outs.

[@AntonFoekema]

The simple truth is that the EU didn't win the Brexit game because they never played that game, the EU simply didn't want to give away the impossible unicorn and that is why the UK seems to have lost the game because their game hinged on getting that impossible unicorn. The EU can not give away what it never had and that is why the UK lost.

[@trident6547]

UK always thought they could stay in the single market and customs union without being a member with responsibilites and payments,

[@AntonFoekema]

@@trident6547 Almost right, they thought that they could remain within the single market and customs union without having to conform to the rules that makes the single market and customs union possible.

[@Kivas_Fajo]

Well said! Brexiteers thought after they left they could dictate the EU to do whatever they want...and misjudged this soooo bad. Prior to Brexit you had a say, you made decisions and now you can take our decisions and eat the homemade shit sandwich. You have no say anymore. You can now take it or leave it!

[@danijuggernaut]

Daddy, i´m leaving home...o.k....Daddy i need money....Noooo!!!

[@ronald418]

@@AntonFoekema It was as if the UK believed that EU would be willing to dismantle itself just to please the UK.

[@AlunParsons]

I would add that the Northern Ireland Protocol and Windsor Framework were inplemented at Ireland's behest to enable the Good Friday Agreement to function properly. It wasn't so much a concession to the UK, but a favour to a member state.

[@tobiasrodrigues1]

Only the British can think that the EU was fearful, and in terms of winning / losing brexit. It is pathetic at best.

[@neilog747]

The UK's oppositional and FPP political system encourages egoistic and reductionist 'thinking'.

[@Facts_Are_Facts_Are_Facts]

How are things in France these days? Enjoy!

[@abloogywoogywoo]

The referendum was to choose to leave or stay. You're saying Britain shouldn't have a choice?

[@factorfitness3713]

That's the symptom of a dead empire.

[@Azuraerae]

​@@Facts_Are_Facts_Are_Factsnothing to do with the EU, it's just stupid govts but that's on the local side of things

[@marvinsamuels1237]

The EU didn’t win, the UK committed suicide.

[@marvinsamuels1237]

@channelsixtyeight068 Absolutely

[@marvinsamuels1237]

@MsMissy whatever…. Angry individual

[@NuclearFridge1]

"I'll do it! I'm going to do it!" Okay... How is that working out? Oh... 🤔

[@razorwireclouds5708]

​@MsMissy Yeah, the compromise was "you lot can get bent on your rubbish island, we're not interested in your hissy fits."

[@HenriZwols]

How is one member of your family committing suicide a win for the rest of you?? (Unless you really hated that person)

[@Michael_from_EU_Germany]

There are no 2-way trade agreements between the UK and a single EU member state because that is ruled out by the EU treaty. It's not about discipline, it's just not allowed. I know: You have always been told something different in Britain, but it was always a lie. You cannot negotiate with any EU state individually. Either through the EU or not at all.

[@trident6547]

Yup. The EU commission negotiates all trade deals on behalf of all member states in EU. That is why we have the customs union. It makes it easier for EU companies to trade, harmonises customs duties on goods from outside the EU and helps to protect Europe's citizens, animals and the environment. The customs union reduces the administrative and financial burden of barrier trading and fosters economic cooperation among the nations in EU.

[@OnlyGrafting]

Yeah but that also meant the EU was causing the problems in Ireland. GFA was there before EU regulations had issues with it. The fact they had to restructure just to reach a compromise shows it was the EU causing the issues in Ireland by demanding border checks that GFA, before the EUs worries with such borders, was thrown to the side.

[@marinusvos]

@@OnlyGrafting "Yeah but that also meant the EU was causing the problems in Ireland." No Brexit did!

[@ayoCC]

​@@OnlyGraftingcan't really blame that on the EU.

[@DarkNog]

@@OnlyGrafting That's complete nonsense. The GFA has only been in place since 1998, whilst the Maastricht Treaty was signed in 1992. The UK agreed to the text of the GFA fully well knowing its commitments to the EU and how the GFA and Maastricht Treaty interacted with each other, because the UK participated in writing the text of both treaties. The British civil service knew leaving the EU would create enormous problems with a hard border in Ireland, but the hard brexiteers didn't want to hear about any of that.

[@celticlofts]

But those small items I used to import from the UK I now get from German or France where the cost of the item is about the same but the shipping cost is much lower than the UK. So Brexit has actually saved me money.

[@waori]

The UK were also really bad negotiators. Everything was highly politicised and emotional on their side and, having been part of the EU for so long, they had no experience in these kinds of negotiations. The EU could roll out its well oiled machine and negotiate pragmatically. It wasn't all muddled by posturing and internal politics the way the UK was.

[@finneogan]

Bad negotiators _and_ bad faith negotiators. Both at the same time is rare in diplomacy.

[@tenniskinsella7768]

Y don't know what went on in the negotiations so just stop making things.no way would I emigrate orea t to live in a eu country and I hope next year when all tbe stupid rules come out when travelling people don't visit your countries I note there's are not coming g out this year becausecof tbe French Olympics

[@tenniskinsella7768]

How would y know were y there in woulnt take anything the eu says as gospel Germany is in recession howvis that being in the eu France has riots all the time

[@Pilvenuga]

@@finneogan Arrogance and stupidity in the same package. How very efficient of them.

[@rinmartell2678]

@@tenniskinsella7768So what? The UK would still be at a better place when they wouldn’t have left the EU

[@alextabet9247]

Actually, most European nations, and certainly France and Germany, were never at risk of leaving the EU. The UK was always a likely candidate for exiting the EU because it never wanted to belong. As long as they go everything and have nothing, the UK was fine, but since the EU requires participation, the UK could not tolerate it. That is not the case with any other EU country.

[@ettoreatalan8303]

Hungary is also such a candidate.

[@alextabet9247]

​@@ettoreatalan8303 indeed. Many countries rushed to join and I am sure several of them are rethinking their decision. As long they lose all the benefits of the membership, they should be free to decide individually whether to remain or leave. But like the UK found out, leaving means losing all the privileges of the membership.

[@ayoCC]

​@@alextabet9247UK was potentially one of the most powerful voters in the bloc. It also had the veto, so all EU regulations were made with the UK itself. I don't think any country can complain about regulations when the EU is unanimous. It makes it slower, but it makes it so the union really is about agreement, and cooperation, instead of pushing through your own goals at the cost of almost the other half

[@farkasabel]

​@@ettoreatalan8303 most countries like hungary joined an economic union not a political one. Political pressure from EU revived the memories from the communist era when the ukaz(atj)=order came from Moscow.

[@ettoreatalan8303]

@@farkasabel Since its creation in 1993, the EU has also been a political union. It was enshrined in the Maastricht Treaty of 1992.[1] Hungary joined the EU as late as 2004. If Hungary has made a mistake in joining the EU, it can withdraw from the EU at any time under Article 50 of the EU Treaty. Why doesn't Hungary leave the EU if it has made such a fundamental mistake in assuming that the EU is not a political union? [1] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maastricht_Treaty

[@gohfi]

The EU did nothing of what you said. It’s just the way it is outside of the EU.

[@gansior4744]

They forgot they are not a empire anymore, they forgot they are not "great" Britain anymore as well. They left, they collapsed and now they are begging for things they were complaining about when they were still in EU

[@williamhenry8914]

If the EU has any sense it will never let the UK back in. The best argument in favor of the EU is the presence of the UK stewing in the misery of its own choices right on its border.

[@arturobianco848]

Well if they change things enough up there they can come back. But for now i agree that the EU is better of with the UK outside only it has nothing to do with any misery in the UK just that it doesn't really fit in the EU framework.

[@williamhenry8914]

@@arturobianco848 Have you not felt a big drop in EU skepticism since 2020? I know I have, it all went very quiet.

[@josephturner7569]

Scotland didn't want to leave.

[@octavianpopescu4776]

@@farhan5647 I agree with the unification of Europe into a single country and yes, for that reason you mentioned... we're simply too small individually. But why would we let English politicians back in? That's the part of the UK I have serious issues with: English politicians. Unfortunately, the people come as a package with them.

[@philipcorr8225]

​@@farhan5647yes ever closer alignment is the way to go. As John Major recently pointed out to a Commons committee there are only three super powers in the world now, namely USA, China and EU

[@finncarlbomholtsrensen1188]

As a small country we in Denmark also joined the EEC and EU because GB was by then a main market. And for many years we had a large skeptical group in the E.U. Parlament naming itself "The peoples movement against the EU"! Today Germany is our main market and we Danes are presently building and - financing a new 18 km tunnel below the water to Germany (With some EU financial help, and for cars and trains to ride for themselves, opposite the Chunnel), So besides the loss of a market and fishing rights, the Brexit haven't meant that much for us, besides it is tiresome to constantly be shaking our heads in amazement.

[@fredmidtgaard5487]

@@davis7099 During the 500 or so years England was a Danish/Norwegian colony, you were doing quite well. The Wiking age is long over but still, you refuse to be buddies with your old rulers! A bit childish!

[@jonsimmons4150]

have you compared denmark GDP to UK?

[@fredmidtgaard5487]

@@davis7099 Have you ever heard of humor? You should try it. It helps a lot.

[@fredmidtgaard5487]

@@davis7099 Yes, but that is in spite of the aggressive attitude you have towards the EU. I don't think the EU was ready for the UK - a country that for centuries has ruled half of the world should suddenly sit down and be nice to smaller countries?

[@fredmidtgaard5487]

@@davis7099 English is derived mainly from an old Danish tribal language called Anglian, which also gave its name to your island after conquering large parts of it. If I wrote in any other of the 8 languages I speak you might not understand. Funny enough, as I said, English is derived from Danish - not the other way around.

[@wombataldebaran9686]

The EU 'won' by doing absolutely nothing and watching the UK one-upping itself on who could be more of a bellend. We didnt win, we just watched someone working hard to destroy itself and it was an overall messy and kinda sad thing for everyone involved.

[@RJALEXANDER777]

The UK leaving was only a minor blow so long as Europe could demonstrate that leaving the EU was a disadvantageous decision. It wasn't just about Britain for them, the whole world was watching the situation, and whilst London was being entirely selfish, Brussels was thinking about the bigger picture. Now the rest of Europe's learned that leaving the EU is a terrible idea. Brussels played the situation well, sure they lost the UK, but they strengthened their ties with the other member nations. Telling that none of the other European secessionist movements have amounted to anything practical since the UK hamstrung itself.

[@EuroUser1]

Against the expected outcome, and against what other EU citizens claim here, I believe Brexit strengthened the EU overall, mostly for the reasons exposed in the video. And also because the departure of the most reluctant member finally allowed the EU to go forward with the Covid help package and the defence coordination.

[@tenniskinsella7768]

God they didn't even get the vaccine till later than us and pathetically refused our vaccine

[@franswiggers220]

Never before in history a country catapulted itself into irrelevance as the UK did with brexit.

[@therealdutchidiot]

Whiich is true. We don't hear anything about it in the Netherlands. In fact, the only place where whiining in newspapers, on the radio and on TV keeps going on is the UK. The EU has moved on.

[@aaxa101]

Uk is as relevant as it was, is just that the UE doesnt care anymore.

[@therealdutchidiot]

@@aaxa101 So it was irrelevant to the rest of the world long before t left the EU. Gotcha.

[@johnwhitcher4761]

@@therealdutchidiot we in UK have problems most out of our control But we see EU has the same problems mighty Germany is on verge Of recession The paymaster with 40% of EU budget

[@therealdutchidiot]

@@johnwhitcher4761 See, that statement is monumentally stupid. Germany doesn't have more say within the EU than any other country.

[@Anonymos321]

The EU did not win the Brexit, but the EU lost little from Brexit, so this may look like an EU victory from the perspective west of the Channel. The EU's recipe for success was and is its unity both in relation to cherrypick Britain and in relation to Russia , the US and China . Only together united we are strong 🇪🇺

[@arturobianco848]

Yup they "won" by just staying true to itself. Actually Brittain came of pretty lightly if the EU had wanted to play hardball they could do so with enough legall justification and still be true to the institution. Fortunate the EU jus went on buisness as ussual and a more or less friendly neighbour is better then starting a pissing contest.

[@cornish5278]

Not blaming the EU and holding our leaders to account is a massive positive.

[@AshOwnz9]

@@cornish5278 Could of done that all along, now the Tories blame "small boats", next they'll find something else to blame. All we've done is make ourselves poorer.

[@Michael_from_EU_Germany]

The UK exports less to the EU, but imports more from The EU. Therefore, the EU won the Brexit. Record UK trade deficit with EU: in Q4 2022. Imports to UK from EU: 82 billion pounds (excluding precious metals) - increased Exports from UK to EU: 49.2 billion pounds - decreased More than 30 billion pounds loss in trade with the EU. For only 3 months. And you're about to run out of money to pay for the £30 billion. Until now, the money has been generated by the City of London. But since the EU will no longer do its business in London, but in Paris, Amsterdam and Frankfurt, you will soon go broke. Your arrogance has come to an end. You will crawl and beg to be allowed back.

[@blablup1214]

I think "winning" was never a goal in this negotiations. We knew since the beginning that this will be a lose lose situation. The one and only problem was explaining to the UK Leaders the basic of every membership. You can't enjoy all the benifits of beeing a member and avoid all obligation that members have at the same time. Or to make a simple comparison. If you want to watch Netflix, Netflix expects you to pay for it. You can't quit the monthly payment and "just continue" watching 😂

[@brasherish]

Its not a matter of winning or losing for the EU. The EU is merely applyng the same rules of trade that it applies to all other non EU countries.

[@maximilienleponcin722]

The EU didn’t win, let alone the UK. The EU did everything to convince the UK to remain und made concessions no other member state had. However, when the UK decided to leave, the EU did everything to mitigate the damage Brexit has caused, whilst the Brexiteers were still hallucinating about their “independence” without even admitting a single downside.

[@rogerfroud300]

The 'concessions' were empty because the reasons we wanted to leave weren't addressed.

[@richardbeeston1170]

When Cameron came back from Brussels with the 'concessions' support for leave jumped. The UK made a vote of no confidence in the EU. We rejected being ruled by a foreign power.

[@deannilvalli6579]

The EU made no new concessions. When the UK was a memebr, they got special treatment, that is true. But when they threatened to leave without more special treatment, which Cameron demanded, the EU said "no cherry picking!" and "No eating your cake and having it too."

[@jal051]

@@deannilvalli6579 When you are already in the most privileged position in the union, asking for more privilege is nothing less than offensive to the rest of the countries. The EU simply couldn't do it.

[@deannilvalli6579]

@@jal051 Exactly. There is no end to British arrogance and entitlement. I think most of those in Europe who pay attention to such things are pretty pleased the UK is gone, I would put money on that.

[@jennyd255]

It seems to me that Brexit was, at least partly, triggered by a national zeitgeist that hadn't yet fully processed the fact the Britain's days as a key player in the world-wars, a 1980's fossil fuel exporting economy, and a former great colonial and military power, had in fact long since faded. Simply put we just weren't as big a player as some older folks still imagined. (and in some cases sadly still do!) In japan they too have problems with an older generation who remember the Shōwa era, in which their country was an undoubted economic top-dog, and still behave as if they are. These folks cause the current Japanese government many tensions, when they steadfastly refuse demands from younger citizens for a greater tolerance of diversity and more relaxed flexible working conditions. Just as in this country Millennials are prone to exclaim in exasperation "Ok Boomer" when confronted by someone who seems not to have got the memo, a Japanese youngster might say "That is so Shōwa." Well my conclusion is that a lot of the problem was that Brexit was "so Shōwa..."

[@jorgebarriosmur]

In Spain, our population had historically the sense of still beeing a somehow powerfull Empire, and a big player in the international scene, till, in 1898 the USA declared us the war, obliterated our outdated fleet, and seized the Philipines and Cuba from us (with the help of the local rebels). We call it "El desastre del 98" (the disaster of 98), and study this phenomenon in history class, and it was a culturall and mental wake-up call, that completelly changed the view we saw ourselves in regard of our place in the world. Indded, the shock, produced a generation of remarkable writers and artists, called "la generacion del 98" (the generation of 98), one of the best in our history, that faced the results of the economicall, moral and mental struggle of that time........ Perhaps Brexit is ment to be UKs "disaster of 98"......who knows.........

[@a0flj0]

"There are small nations and there are countries that have not yet realised they are small nations." - Guy Verhofstadt about the countries in Europe, IMO spot-on. The Brits have a long way to go before they come to terms with this statement.

[@OnlyGrafting]

​@@a0flj0 our potential can match Germany. It always has been. Same with that of France. The Germans are far up their arses and pissing money away over progressive politics. This island doesn't like they kinds of things, and the government that's supposed to be against it has been doing the same as the Germans. So people get pissed, they get one shot at something to throw the government afoot and it's a direct referendum. This island has always been stable until recent years and the instability is progressive dogma importing problems with people and refusing to do a thing about them. Brexit is the first step at a bloodless restructuring of the UK. Unlike the French, British people rarely get violent towards the government and favour national stability over sudden change. In a few decades the ratifications of the last decades shit governments will see fruition in the governments along the line. Brexit was the line British voters made to the conservatives. British voters don't favour Labour, but that doesn't mean they'll cowtow to the Labour Lite the conservatives have became.

[@repelsteeltje90]

​@@2adamastThe world has seen so many examples of British exceptionallism related to Brexit that its impossible to ignore them. They need us more than we need them. We didn't win two world wars to be pushed around by a kraut. We hold all the cards. Global Britain. And variations.

[@padriandusk7107]

You won two World Wars by being backed by other countries, most notably USA (which happily provided the means to wreck everything for everyone, hurray money!). If you think about it, that recipe worked wonders....so to the mighty and warm arms of USA you go back!

[@msdm83]

It was like a 50 year old divorcing his wife and thinking he'd going to get a 24 year old girlfriend

[@Roque-Cachamuiña-gs1wd]

Hahahaha, your comparison is very good. Some of us made that mistake and in the end it has been expensive for us... but while we could, we enjoyed a lot and as a Spanish saying goes, " a lo hecho, pecho" It pretty much means if you did it, now take the consequences

[@frankpinmtl]

All depends how much money that 50 year old has, doesn't it?

[@msdm83]

@@frankpinmtl this 50 year old underestimate how much power he had.

[@frankpinmtl]

@@msdm83 You mean the 50 year old over-estimated how much power he had.

[@jimmyboydonald6578]

I would consider it like a person, fearing a burglary in their home, demolishes it, so the burglars don't target it.

[@marcoghiotti7153]

The lesson we learnt from this absurd process is that in a mature relationship no side should feel more entitled than the other. No univocal concession, no preferred treatment. Either you take the whole lot, or you leave. The UK left. Fine. Goodbye

[@abloogywoogywoo]

We want to go. Remoaners are refusing to go. What are we meant to do? Sell London off to EU? Actually, that's a good idea. London's an entitled dump.

[@Iguazu65]

Translation of the Brexit strategy. “We have a cunning plan. Which is not to have any plan. The EU, you know, will have a plan and us not having a plan, means we can demand things on and off their plan, without the need to explain our plan. Because we don’t have one. I told you it was fiendishly cunning!”

[@floricel_112]

This reads exactly like a Blackadder episode, and possibly the mantra behind the big push from season 4

[@Harry-tb8yo]

"Winning Brexit" is somewhat misleading. Having to deal with a country which wants to leave was from EU perspective dealing with itself and took away ressources which could have been used for other, more important and more urgent topics. Economically there was no win at all, only unnecessary cost. Politically however it turned out to be a win for the EU. The once slow and sluggish decision making process in the EU has accelerated a lot since the UK no more has a seat at the table. Sad but true.

[@Michael_from_EU_Germany]

"Economically there was no win at all" Not true. The EU exports more goods to the UK than ever before. At the same time, the EU is importing less and less from the UK. The UK's trade deficit with the EU is going up and up. The EU gains from Brexit, the UK loses.

[@xDarkSpotx]

very True, it is obvious now if not before for anyone a bit older, that the UK was a stone in EU , a heavy won with power, holding the EU back. And most likely things will move even faster, and better, something to look at back in 10 years or so.

[@Johnsmith99663]

"How gravity won when I jumped off a cliff"

[@Savio119]

I'm Indian but was working in Germany right before the Brexit vote. The EU made so many concessions for the UK, almost begging them to stay daily on the DW channel I was watching. I don't think any self-respecting country could do what the EU did for the UK to accommodate their wishes. It was a brutal and inhuman treatment that I can never forget as a foreigner watching this whole UK self-importance getting played out daily. I moved back a month after Brexit but the Germans accepted their exits and were relieved the whole thing was over. I think the UK should move on and make the best of its exit. They must accept the way back into the EU will be equally brutal and humiliating, but that's just my opinion.

[@annebokma4637]

Europe doesn't import small stuf from UK anymore. The EU is importing whole companies from the UK 😂

[@dickmichielmaas373]

Shell for example?

[@annebokma4637]

@@dickmichielmaas373 Royal Dutch Shell is the full name 👍

[@dickmichielmaas373]

@@annebokma4637 The name is not the point here...

[@annebokma4637]

@@dickmichielmaas373 I know, I just don't know where the official headquarter currently is. 😁

[@dickmichielmaas373]

@@annebokma4637 It moved from the Netherlands to UK.

[@andresjgarzonmanzano8956]

Brexit was an awesome choice. It gave a lot of us, that last push to leave the UK.

[@rogerfroud300]

You are the wakest link, goodbye!

[@fuckinantipope5511]

Lmao, good one. I am friends with 3 scottish guys. All of them moved to germany because they have found love but also a better life here. They all say they don't wanna go back as long as scottland isn't back in the EU, which they hope will happen in some time when they leave the union with england

[@GreedySheedy]

Good riddance

[@deannilvalli6579]

Yes, Britain is a pretty miserable place to live, I know that from experience.

[@abloogywoogywoo]

Get off. You expats never lived in the UK, too busy enjoying the sunny weather and wine abroad in your French and Spanish villas.

[@byrnedes]

There are no easy options for Britain. Leaving our club and expecting to retain the benefits displays a measure of arrogance.

[@Facts_Are_Facts_Are_Facts]

How's France these days? Bye Europe. 👋🏻

[@abloogywoogywoo]

I wanted to leave and have nothing to do with you. Unfortunately, you keep sending criminals to us via dinghy, and our governments put them up in 5 star hotels. The moral of the story is: Both Westminster and Brussels hate the British, and always have. There was no club for the working class.

[@joso7228]

@@Facts_Are_Facts_Are_Facts And there is the obnoxious British attitude (and I'm a Brit too!)

[@Facts_Are_Facts_Are_Facts]

@joso7228 Nothing more obnoxious than to keep banging on about something that happened years ago. Let it go.

[@tenniskinsella7768]

We are not arrogant. We justcwanted to rule ourselves and the eu have been very revengeful. I see no reason why i extcyear going to Europe we have to be fingerprinted and scanned and savour health situation. That's not being in the club thatsxjustcrevenge eu people cam come here easily even though we are nothing the eu. We should ask eubcitizens to be finger printed scanned and tell us their health history just the same as they doing to us. So stuff the eu and stuff people crotising this country

[@TheSwiftFalcon]

This is not at all surprising. I remember when the negotiations were about to start, some people were under the delusion that the UK would get a deal which was better than what they had inside the EU.

[@moniquehenry4041]

Ah British exceptionnalism !!Just as those who complain it is an insult to their great country that they have to queue at the border (they are now a third country and cannot use the EU citizens line)

[@greggbisgrove7499]

The EU did not win Britain shot its self in the foot then shot its self in the kneecap and all the EU had to do was point that out ( ‘ some one take the gun of them ‘ ).

[@bh5037]

3:15 : correct - the UK has to pay for the pensions of for example Fifel Garage - he earns a rich taxfree pension ... and he will never let that go away ... he hates the EU but loves the Eu pension money !! so a lot of that mentioned money comes back into the UK by pensions paid to the haters of the EU and their staff ! 5:00 the EU did not make concessions in the windsor framework - the Uk agreed to the EU proposals from years ago.... althoug the Uk tries to sell same as a victory - it is none ....pls do not repeat the lies of the UK government !

[@derkrischa3720]

Is it a battle, when one country leaves a block and tries to keep the membership boni and the block tells them "no, these boni are only for members" ? I would call that common sense

[@AndrewHiggs-g5b]

They didn't win, the UK shot itself in the foot.😂

[@Paul_C]

You fail to mention what it did to the trust of 'the ordinary people' in the EU. Take that into consideration and the picture gets a different meaning: You wanted out? Fine, deal with it yourself, do not knock on our door, ever again!

[@TheChill001]

exactly, currently most europeans are against the UK ever rejoining, their first joining was already such a hassle which cost the EU serious sums of money and we aint going through that a second time. Should they want to rejoin...the terms won't be different from other countries anymore

[@Maddog-xc2zv]

I really liked how he finishes: "you can leave the hotel EU but you can't expect to use its facilities for free". It's like the future will be if mentalities do not change.

[@abloogywoogywoo]

Yeah and we'll put our foreign criminals in your hotels. The EU has a wicked sense of humor. Evil even.

[@MarkBritten-i5p]

WTF we've le.ft and you want them to use the EU facilities for free. Try that at a gym

[@Kivas_Fajo]

I love how the Brexiteers really believed they can take things into their own hands. No need for following "stupid" EU rules and whatnot, when in fact Brexit or not, if you want to sell in the EU you still have to obey the rules or you cannot sell anything there. How stupid can people be to not have known this before?

[@tenniskinsella7768]

Well that's the eu being vindictive

[@Kivas_Fajo]

@tenniskinsella7768 No, we treat you like anyone else that left the single market, you delusional imperialist without an empire.

[@UnliVW]

​@@tenniskinsella7768how lol. the rules exist to benefit the citizens of eu member states, ofc they're still going to enforce the rules on whatever they import from the Uk even after it leaves.

[@hectory79]

​@@tenniskinsella7768a government comprising 27 different nationalities to help govern 27 different nations cannot afford being vindictive. They could care less what the UK does at this point. Stop blaming the EU for your self harming ways. Take responsibility for voting for Brexit and go be free! just don't blame the EU when Tesko runs out of apples again; you voted to keep the EU out of it.

[@Der_Z0nK]

„Steve cancelled his gym membership. The gym attempted to make an example out of Steve to deter other members from leaving, by not granting him membership perks anymore“. Doesn‘t this analogy sound bizarre to you? It sure does to me, since I can‘t comprehend how anyone could attribute malice to the entity that saw to it, that the cancellation was actually what was promised to the British by their politicians: „Brexit means Brexit“. And then you hear all these influencers and media personalities turn it into a contest. Simply bizarre.

[@l3eatalphal3eatalpha]

As Yanis Varoufakis said part way through the negotiations, they are merely a sideshow. I think a great amount of time was thinking about how to sell the deal to the electorate. Also, our negotiators were amateurs.

[@cerulyse]

yes but don't forget Cameron never dreamed he'd actually loose, so out of touch

[@williamhenry8914]

Varoufakis is a beggar and a clown

[@greattobeadub]

Don't run a referendum if you don't know what you're doing or have a clear path of what happens next. We in Ireland have regular referenda. There is a referendum commission that is neutral and just there to inform the electorate. There is a clear plan of what the next steps will be.

[@chriswills9437]

No notes David Davis.

[@drummingtildeath]

I'm not sure even the best negotiators could have made such a fundamentally flawed idea work to our advantage

[@derekmab7734]

Singapore on Thames ERG's dream was shattered after the mini budget disaster that caused turmoil on the markets, a fall in the value of the pound and rises in the cost of UK government borrowing and mortgage rates. That was the time when they tried to enable Brexit and proved it will never work and they know it.

[@7ookee]

Unfortunately the architects of that disaster are still trying fulfill their libertarian goals. Still appearing in the media lying their way into power so they can rip people off. They're not done yet.

[@cjlooklin1914]

Lol, the Singaporean government invests heavily into it's citizens

[@richardwills-woodward]

@@cjlooklin1914 Because of low taxes. The EU and now UK don't understand this.

[@richardwills-woodward]

Just because so many in finance are corrupt and left-wing now (unlike in most of history) does not mean it can't be done. Every dog has its day. The EU is certainly failing in every area of life.

[@daniels7907]

The problem is that the most vocal Brexiteers such as Farage were singularly focused on Brexit. They had absolutely *no* plan for the U.K. economy in the aftermath. The entirety of their argument was: "Once we get Brexit done then everything will fix itself". That failed to happen because the politicians had no vision for a post-Brexit U.K. (other than fewer foreigners living in the U.K.) and various economic problems that had been going on for years were *not* going to disappear because of Brexit.

[@abloogywoogywoo]

Farage's mistake was thinking there was only corruption in the EU. There is corruption EVERYWHERE. Welcome to the human race.

[@thevoid5503]

They should never be allowed back in. - EU citizen here (Netherlands).

[@PanglossDr]

If you are being totally honest the Windsor Framework is the UK accepting that it must honour its commitments. The EU gave nothing material away and was always willing to agree ways of mitigating issues for GB-NI only trade.

[@mediocreman6323]

There is a metaphor I am very fond of concerning dominoes, that would be, that the first domino did not tip over another one, but fell off the table. I think this fits the whole picture very well.

[@Alex-pr6zv]

The EU is poised to become even more influential with eight accession candidates, including most recently Ukraine, all currently vying for membership. I think Montenegro will be next to join. Even countries like Norway, Switzerland, and Liechtenstein, which are not EU members, participate in the EFTA and enjoy access to the EU's lucrative single market. Given this context, it's difficult to see how Britain can thrive outside the EU going forward. Witness the relocation of banking services from London to Paris, which has been a cornerstone of Britain's economy for the past 30 years.

[@Michael_from_EU_Germany]

Simple metaphor: You have a corner store (UK) and then Aldi or Tesco (EU) slams a store across the street from you. Who wins?

[@trident6547]

The Euroclearing will move out no later than June 2025. It turns over hundreds of billions every day. An article in Financial Times from 2016 said: A private report estimated the loss of more than 83.000 jobs if Euro-denominated clearing leaves London to EU. 31,000 core intermediaries of banks, sales and trading desks and interdealer broker jobs 18,000 from related professional legal and accounting services 15,000 from wealth and asset management 12,000 at technology providers. That´s a lot of well paid jobs lost for London and UK. And I can not imagine what the loss of taxrevenue from those transactions + the tax from salaries of more than 83.000 persons is. But it is clear it is a lot. It is of course yet again a Brexit benefit for EU though. An estimate was a loss of £ 85 billion in taxrevenues on a yearly basis.

[@frantisekkosulic1503]

@@trident6547 on the other hand, lots of job openings for fruit pickers, carpenters, plumbers, hospital personnel ..

[@jandenijmegen5842]

@@trident6547 Grow vegetables and fruit.

[@jandenijmegen5842]

@@KurtFrederiksen Haha, no red booklet here. Just reacting on fruit and vegetable shortages in british supermarkets. countries like Germany, Belgium Netheralnds and France pricees have gone up, but no shortages. On the other hand, it may be a good idea to become the next PM or acabinet member: lots of job changes the previous 12 months. kzbin.info/www/bejne/qWnUZ42Cr95-p9U

[@kevingood4644]

55 million consumers in UK inc..485 million consumers in EU inc..it’s as simple as that.

[@tomas.lambert]

“It’s harder for European to export goods from UK” Europe: Oh no, anyways.

[@Arsenic71]

Lol in my head I can literally see Jeremy Clarkson saying that.

[@Tazlin]

Oh hell no... no Marmite for Europe. Oh, wait. Europe wins again

[@sadjaxx]

Why would they want to? The UK small to medium businesses are all going to fail anyway.

[@barackputin6927]

Literally 90% of students in my university plan to leave the UK in the hope of a better life elsewhere.

[@12alocin]

I suppose they will back all the loans!

[@rodmarker2071]

I emigrated in 2017 ... never looked back , good luck . Life is much better outside the UK ...

[@josephj6521]

@@rodmarker2071 where did you move to?

[@rodmarker2071]

@@josephj6521 The dreaded EU it's really more democratic here

[@fcassmann]

Dinghy's for sale! 😅

[@FisforFenton]

Why did the UK think that a small island that doesn't really make much of it's own goods had any kind of negotiating power.

[@DjMarkyBatch]

you are really missing the point, the fact we didn't make much of our own goods is half the reason we left, the EU were subsidising other EU countries to the extent there was no economic stability for UK production. We had a healthy dairy industry, but importing from Poland Milk into the UK is frankly ridiculous. and so on, and so on. No one mentions Brexit in the UK, we are getting on with our lives... life is good. The only difference i have noticed is I don't buy from EU companies any more (mostly was German) and only buy from UK stores. The only difference is import duties and VAT, it all costs the same all be it an admin charge on top, but the extra time to deliver, the delays, the having to work out what it costs, just makes it ridiculous, and hey, its all great, we just pay less from UK suppliers. EU retail prices are rising dramatically, its clear to see.

[@StormShadowHarris]

@@DjMarkyBatch "No one mentions Brexit in the UK, we are getting on with our lives... life is good" How's the weather under all that sand?

[@maxtravers1314]

Literally the defitnion of “knowing the cost of everything and the value of nothing”

[@axelfiraxa]

Things i used to buy from the UK and get within 3 days now take 2 weeks stuck in customs. It has severly affected my buying decisions

[@mayamar529]

It was not about winning. The EU protected it's interests and feared that the UK would try to "divide and conquer". But the UK side was utterly incompetent. And as an illustration. After the referendum I thought - probably a bit naive - that Cameron would go to the EU and ask for the least damaging option outside the EU. But he just ran away. And May and Johnson weren't interested in that kind of a deal.

[@rainerzufall42]

"divide and conquer" worked for centuries for the British Empire, but not this time. Fortunately no-one in the EU was keen on being as suicidal as parts of the UK. At last, I blame a small rich elite in the ruling conservative party for all this mess!

[@abloogywoogywoo]

Because staying in the EU does not get rid of the incompetent @holes who make our lives miserable. Given the choice, do you want one master? Or two masters? You can't have autonomy.

[@gretareinarsson7461]

I think many Brexiteers were surprised and by and probably underestimated how the EU stuck together. Many were hoping for a further split because of frictions within it.

[@rufanuf1]

Only a matter of time.

[@Paul-eb4jp]

Most of us didn't expect that and I for one expected that our leaving would strengthen pro-EU feeling across the EU, I was devastated when we left and I'm still angry, I only wish the EU well.

[@ettoreatalan8303]

Underestimating the EU is a popular pastime in peripheral Europe.

[@Paul-eb4jp]

@@ettoreatalan8303 The EU will only become stronger, it needs to because it is one of 3 super powers, we all need a strong united Europe.

[@rufanuf1]

@@ettoreatalan8303 You sound like Putin.

[@annewalden3795]

The E U played hard ball and were not prepared to compromise at any point which was not difficult to predict .Boris predicted the E U would be reasonable but he could hardly tell the truth .

[@tonyroy8123]

EU are totally and utterly reasonable. No cherry picking and "third" country rules apply!

[@w0ttheh3ll]

UK was offered the same special status that Norway and Switzerland have, UK refused. Ok, no special status then.

[@thomasalbrecht5914]

The EU is a legalistic, rule-based construction and the only thing it made sure of was due process, and that you cannot have the advantages of membership without being a member, and accepting the obligations and counterparts of the advantages. Britain does all the talk about fairness, but at the very heart it’s a class society whose elite, and therefore its politicians, are raised in the firm belief that there is one set of rules for them, and one for everybody else. And indeed at the height of its power, that’s how the whole country behaved, invading all but the territories of very few nation states existing today. But the height of the UK’s power was sometime in the Victorian age, and that’s a bloody long time ago. Strangely, that penny refuses to drop.

[@frankoneill5675]

The EU was finally able to make concessions and find an agreement away from its rigid red lines? Nonsense. The EU made it abundantly clear it was willing to make concessions, expecting the UK to do the same. The English seem to think that concessions are only to be made by the other side. Maroš Šefčovič visited the Six Counties for two days in late 2021, and met with many different interest groups, something the British government never cosidered doing. The proposals/concessions presented by the EU in October 2021 were based on what Mr Maroš Šefčovič learned in that visit, and are pretty much what was agreed in the Windsor Framework, with concessions on both sides. The difference between 2021 and now is a British government that understands the way to get things agreed is by cooperation, not belligerence.

[@kelvin-zh9fm]

It's hard to win when you have completely no leverage 😂

[@djonymorais]

Most brexiteers still live in the 18th and 19th centuries , when being British was already leverage enough. Wake up and smell the bacon.

[@KurtGerster]

Forgot to plug in the mic?

[@1258-Eckhart]

From Germany: Exactly right. But the Brits need to understand the nature of "cooperation", which is with other states always at eyelevel. It means that each party has equal rights in discussions. For an erstwhile imperial power difficult, I know.

[@jerry6711]

"Cooperation" you say. Firstly you create a problem with migrants and then you ask member states to accept them. You send your minister to protest against Poland's plan to build their nuclear power station. Did you "cooperate" with Poland or Slovakia when building Nord Strem 2?

[@abloogywoogywoo]

Cooperation? You were buying out our coal fired power stations, and closing them down. Well Karma is not to be trifled with. Your wind farms can't fill the void from losing access to Russian gas.

[@CJusticeHappen21]

When you're being taught a lesson in humility, bloody _learn_ it.

[@claudioricci1]

The Windsor framework is simply the U.K. at last doing what they said they would do with the original Withdrawal Agreement - for instance, implementing proper goods checks. So the EU didn’t give away anything with the Windsor Framework; it’s just portrayed that way in the U.K. media.

[@Oil2024]

Won? Brexit isn't something someone "wins". The EU simply adjusted to it and discarded the UK, which is no longer a part of the equation. Conversely, the UK - which wanted to discard the EU in the first place - isn't apparently able to do so. Hum... I wonder why.

[@ausoleil8269]

UK'side understanding of this Brexit craziness is always a strange thing. From the moment the UK decided to leave, they could only lose : the decision was madness.

[@remoanersrknts6736]

Childish nonsense,! 😂

[@abloogywoogywoo]

You don't know what problems the British public face, probably because you don't care what problems they face. Therein lies the answer as to why many choose to leave.

[@tenniskinsella7768]

.dont call us childish how dare y we have haven't lost anything g. We will soon have trading deals with other coubtries we don't need the eu and don't insult us

[@nightazday7988]

Brexit will probably be remembered as the "mess around and find out" movement

[@genghisthegreat2034]

Thank you for a good summary of the position. To concentrate on the economic impacts encourages I think a ' transactional ' view of things. People in EU countries, my own included, needed reminding on just how deeply the whole EU regulatory architecture is trade-impacting. To take just a few examples; water, wastewater, public procurement, waste management, data protection, Birds and Habitats protection, the Internal Energy Market, transportation regulation.......all of these things are not only good in themselves, but adherence to them is essential to prevent trade competition becoming a race to the bottom at the expense of high standards in all of them. With respect to the UK, and acknowledging we all in the EU find ourselves carpeted by the CJEU from time to time, but things went downhill astonishingly quickly on environmental, public procurement, freedom of movement, partnership in Horizon, or Erasmus ....and I honestly think British people were surprised at how deeply embedded are their existing protections, in their transposition of EU Directives since 1973. I think it no exaggeration to say no EU country, over half a century, has done other than transpose EU Directives centrally agreed.

[@lv3609]

Data protection is going down in UK now reporting in Bloomberg. This is going mostly quietly, while other stuff make the news like Sue Gray, small boats,… More power for companies to use and sell private data. Wonder about EU citizens data in UK sites and in UK DataCenters.

[@genghisthegreat2034]

@@lv3609 I'm not well up on the technicalities of data protection, but I saw a piece this week on WhatsApp declining to accede to UK requests to row back on end-to-end encryption......it basically said UK traffic is 2% of its overall volume worldwide, and they'd pull out rather than change their basis for everyone

[@Maddog-xc2zv]

I don't think it's a good summary, with winners and punishers. the fact is if you're part of a family and you decide to leave it... don't expect to be treated as so again when you "visit".

[@genghisthegreat2034]

@@Maddog-xc2zv the family itself has an interest in not being " a cold house " for the dissenting visitor. Brexit has been a lose-lose all round. I have an interest in losing less, starting from where I am.

[@Maddog-xc2zv]

@@genghisthegreat2034 Sorry. I don't judge that way, so I don't really care where your from. I was talking broadly and will keep the tone. Still, I don't see Brexit as a lose-lose. In many ways was better for the EU and other and recent EU countries which have taken the void left. I do keep my standards when I say a comeback would be very hard but I don't really believe too much on impossibles - as a "new war" on Europe's heart is proof of, as so many said it would be impossible again. Cheers.