Ed Ashby's Rhino's and The Natal Study Detail

Ever wanted to sit around with Dr. Ed and ask questions? Ryan and Chris and I did just that!
What's covered?
1. Killing 2 rhinos with a bow
2. How the Natal Study came about
3. How Bowhunting was legalized across Africa (most of it anyway)
4. Discovering bone breaking threshold
5. "Discovering" FOC in hunting arrows
and much, much, more.

[@dennyroszell8744]

Anyone who can’t appreciate listening to an ol timer like Mr. Ed needs to accept the fact that they were not raised right. I can’t believe anyone in the archery community would have any doubts about this man’s hard work real time action. Nothing but facts. Thank you Ranch Fairy!

[@thomassweeney3541]

This interview was fantastic. This man is an American National Treasure. Love the stories.

[@keithderr9564]

Oh my, this was great! It was like sitting and listening to the wisdom from my Pappy. Thanks for posting!

[@RanchFairy]

Super fun

[@denniswehling2147]

Ed is an America treasure with wealth of knowledge for all bowhunters. I am a few years younger than Ed and the biggest mistake I made in my bowhunting career was not following Ed's Natal study. I heard about the Natal (Ashby) study but was told it was just for the traditional archers. Huge mistake on my part listening and following the crowd into modern bowhunting. Four years ago I switched to a 12 factor arrow and the results have been like magic. Thank you Ed for your lifetime of hard work and sharing your knowledge with all current and future bowhunters. Troy, thank you for sharing your time with Ed with all of us and all that you are doing for all bowhunters.

[@RanchFairy]

Thanks for watching

[@PersonalBestOutdoors]

I have always followed the Dr.'s work. Like you, I haven't airways applied everything. That all changed for me the day before this interview was filmed. I got to sit down with some of the world's most experienced bow hunters and listen to their stories and advice. Sitting next to this man, sharing a bowl of black Cavendish pipe tobacco, seeing the joy in this man's eyes reliving his experiences... meeting Jeremy Johnson and Rob Nielson. Arrow testing with Troy and just having the time of my life... I learned and witnessed and applied these teachings for myself. I can tell you, I'll never shoot a sub 500gr arrow at large game again.

[@PersonalBestOutdoors]

@EdAshby Doc, you are one of very few down to earth people left. Your most recent comment is a prime example. Thank you for your wisdom, and your entertaining stories. Also, thank you for the follow up emails and phone conversations.

[@PersonalBestOutdoors]

Nice. I'm glad you started posting these videos. Getting to listen to Dr. Ed's stories in person was a real treat.

[@feralgrandad4429]

Dr Ed's comment on getting close enough to kill resonated with me. I was raised by my grandad in Scotland and he taught me to hunt saying "Get as close as you can. Then get closer!" What a great video this was.

[@kevinmeeske3412]

Thank you so much Dr Ashby for all your work. Thank you for the video. Outstanding a national treasure of Bowhunting.

[@Kevanroskam]

“Excrement happens!!!” Please make shirts/hats for the Ashby foundation with this slogan!!!! 😂😂😂

[@thesickhorseranch1930]

Very refreshing to watch. This mans memory is impeccable!

[@steelandsanderoutdoors2617]

It was super fun and nice to sit with him. 😊

[@timfoster7979]

Another “Best video” by the Ranch Fairy. Thanks Ed for sharing.

[@it_is_finished]

This is good stuff! Thank you Dr. Ashby. Thank you too Troy.

[@talexander7217]

Best video I've seen on YT in quite awhile.

[@TradTech]

Awesome! I could listen to that man all day long.

[@allannesss7782]

Jared sheffler was just talking about this on the hunting beast podcast… animal movement, grouping …

[@user-bj6zn6tl8w]

Very good information and good interview.

[@outdoorsman9384]

Again, Dr Ashby said it again, a 40 pound recurve right through the bone of a cape buffalo with all the factors with a heavy 650 grain arrow, that all you need too hear , i will never change this information been using for years now of light traditional bow and preforms better than anything and also quites up the bow and narrows my gaps, nothing but excellence.

[@greghawks3144]

I wish i knew he was around in the early 70s ,i was shooting 70 plus pound bows recurves and very few pass throughs,and last 3 yrs using single bevel sharp broadheads 400 grains up front 55lb fred bear kodiak 742 total weight and last 6 deer have been dying in sight of my blind,arrow makes no sound passing through thank you dr. Ashby

[@jameshagerman7681]

I have three setups currently, all as perfectly tuned as I can. Also would like to add that my tuning difficulties are primarily draw length related (31 inches on the compound, 32.5 on the traditional bows) 60lb compound, 485 grain arrow 17% FOC with tooth of the arrow broadheads 44lb longbow, 535 grain arrow 16.5% FOC with magnus broadheads 68lb recurve, 720 grain arrow 11% FOC with steel force broadheads (can't shoot this one much these days, don't practice enough) The biggest game I typically hunt are whitetails, and each of these setups give me full confidence on game of that size, mostly because I know they were built to be structurally sound and are flying as perfectly as I can get them.

[@Catfish_Ketcher]

What a gym! Thanks for posting such great information.

[@chadcook1862]

Yea ima have to listen to this a few more times.

[@burrito4x4]

Fantastic!!! Such a cool and level headed man!

[@stephenballard3759]

At <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="68">1:08</a>:00-ish, when he asked Ed about how he could be so successful without being the greatest shot in the world........ as a traditional archer, this has always cracked me up. I really do admire the long-range,precision archery that my buddies are capable of. Smacking bottle caps at seventy yards must be awesome. But the thing is, in the field, in practical terms, if you can shoot a rabbit right in the eye, while I miss by an inch and hit him in the head............? I kill the same number of elk and mulies as anybody in camp does with their compounds. I killl WAY more small game. I actually miss less at 35 and under than they do at 65 and under. It's actually not that hard to hit an elk in the chest, and wth the confidence an adult arrow gives me to aim at the forward chest where real goodies are, that inch or two won't matter.

[@neilfisch6533]

That was one of the most interesting conversations that I have ever seen on utube.

[@moyeroutdooradventures3291]

Your best video yet!!

[@gregyazel170]

What a great video!!!!!! Thanks!

[@johnathonarnold9070]

Thanks for sharing this with us on KZbin. Mr. Ashby seems like such a humble guy despite all he's done. That generation of men is just special. Got my Apollo arrows tuned and ready. Getting some tough heads for Father's day and I'll be out in the woods this fall with a 12 factor (minus the tapered shaft) this fall.

[@johnathonarnold9070]

@EdAshby thanks for the information and the reply. I believe I'm going to be happy with the apollo set up they fly perfectly and are stiffer and have more mass than my old arrows. plus Sirius customer service is great.

[@stephenballard3759]

I am grateful to have run into Dr.Ashby and his study on internet forums, and in Traditional Bowhunting Magazine long before I ever heard of the Ranch Fairy. Where I hadn't already, I went straight to tapered cedar shafts, 2 blade heads, then single bevels, and chucked all my midulat head in the trash. I haven't been able to give up my addiction to sharpening with a file, but I am shooting up to 725 gr, out of a 58 lb recurve, and up to 800 gr bamboo shafts out of my self-bows. Couldn't be happier. That kind of arrow is a great way to kill an elk. Thanks Ed, and Troy. I just wish I could find some place to hunt pigs!!!!!!!!

[@Kurtdog63]

Well, that was an absolute GOLD MINE of information and entertainment. Thanks for sharing. My take. The arrow system and arrow flight trumps what bow you use. Got it.

[@quintenbullard2921]

I’m so glad that this has been documented

[@johnnyandnik2204]

GREAT VIDEO...I just want to know the bow weight out of DR EDS longbows....i have a 52# longbow and want to see if i can shoot or hunt with 650 grains out of it...thanks for the work troy and ed...johnny

[@mosinw6697]

Awesome

[@chrisk1669]

What a fantastic journey through life.

[@dusthill7032]

Great content...gives me more drive to get myself and my son up around 650 grains

[@dm1126]

Superp What a real gentleman

[@alaskatruoutdoors9238]

Solid gold right here. I understand Dr Ed didn’t have any kids? I’m hereby adopting him as my grand dad.

[@dennisrobinson753]

Great info , can't shoot any more archery is a different story though now the crossbow is my gun of choice keep the story alive

[@Kayakpirate65]

When this video ended I had to check that something hadn't messed up cause I thought there's no way an hour has already passed, could have listened to another couple hours of Dr. Ashby talking.

[@sethwray9006]

Cool channel Troy

[@user-xd5rk8xo4c]

That was fun and informative! Did anyone explore broadhead shapes with increased mechanical advantage, by decreasing the L/W ratio ie..3.<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="241">4:1</a> vs <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="181">3:1</a>????

[@user-xd5rk8xo4c]

Thank you for the reply. Yes, I can see that being challenging. I was thinking about trade offs for using a longer broadhead, say 4" with a 1 1/8" width. I have seen similar in historical and archeological references.

[@remy_bear19gsd69]

Appreciate the video. Shooting around 600gr, right now, guys in the bow shops think I'm weird, but I don't care.

[@dungeontales8117]

Hey! When are the single bevels gonna be back in stock???

[@RanchFairy]

We are about 10 days out.

[@BrothaAustin]

RF I recently heard someone say parabolic cut fletchings are the quietest.I had never gave it much thought so I started searching it out and sure enough that is the consensus thought.Eventually my research led me to small A&A fletchings with turbulators.It seems that on the forums there is a lot of mystique around the turbulator.How to make it,where to place it,and how it works.A video on this would be awesome and clear up a lot of misunderstanding.Perhaps would be a great topic for your next set of videos with Rocketman

[@RanchFairy]

Ok. On the list.

[@glennl9630]

❤❤

[@karlantonlillester4884]

That man is livving history

[@chrississon2646]

👍

[@theroncorbett7991]

How the heck can anyone listen to this man speak of the work he put in to produce the study, read the study itself and conclude it doesn’t apply to modern archery equipment?

[@ThirdLawPair]

I've read the studies, enjoyed them, learned a lot from them; and then concluded that unless I'm taking a quartering-to shot, penetration is not really a limiting factor in hunting whitetail.

[@km6731]

As a deer recovery dog handler, penetration is the issue at least one in three.

[@RanchFairy]

@@km6731 I’ve collected 436 reported kills, losses, etc with about 20 data points from subscribers 30% have heavy bone impact (not ribs) and that reduces penetration. Interesting you and I have similar percentage Now I need to just look at pass through vs non-passthrough.

[@ThirdLawPair]

@@km6731 There must be something I am missing because I don't doubt you, but at the same time I can't comprehend just how that is happening. Even hunting with a single string bow and only a moderately high arrow weight and FOC, I get way more penetration than I need. Am I a jerk for thinking that all these poorly penetrating shots are from guys taking shots from too far away or with untuned arrows or something? I am by no means a master archer, but if I just tune the arrows, sharpen the broadheads, and don't shoot them in the heavy bones, I get good passthroughs. How is it that a mediocre archer with a single string bow never needs to worry about penetration, but better archers with better gear are losing their deer 30% of the time. I'm trying my best to make it make sense, and it's not clicking for me.

[@theroncorbett7991]

@@ThirdLawPair , The penetration issues we see today are the direct results achieved from decades of the archery industry pushing speed and “magic” broad heads. Your set up works because it’s likely a 8 to 9 factor Ashby arrow. My personal 12 factor HUNTING arrow is 700 grains @ 252fps 29% FOC and I limit shots to 40 yards max.

[@joeceb2444]

We all perseverate about optimal accuracy but a Good hunter, like THP, know the optimal spot to ambush..” close Enough to kill “.. like Ashby says…Most archery kills since the beginning of time have been within 20 yards…Thoughts ?

[@RanchFairy]

20 yards remains the reported average shot distance on deer - to this day.

[@douglasely7416]

I think this only mostly pertains to long bows but was super cool

[@RanchFairy]

You can read updated reports on the ashby Bowhunting website 2021 2022 80# compound Ed was going to repeat the study with compounds but hurt his back Your comment is interesting. A man can kill 2 rhinos with a longbow, shoot 5,000 shots with 118 data points per shot and record it for a couple decades. Open up the continent of Africa with a Bowhunting study and the archery industry thinks going faster with a compound changes physics.

[@waynemorris1999]

I’ve read this statement from other people and it confuses me. The way I see it is, if an arrow setup is really good and I launch it with a more efficient bow then the setup would be just that more effective.

[@RanchFairy]

@@waynemorris1999 So, apparently, you like facts and math and that kind "of stuff". But the archery industry tends to avoid ANY math that doesn't jibe with the message. You are correct. If Ed's bow did it going 150 FPS, then a compound running it 230 would be even better. IN FACT this is completely in line with the message the average archery influencer and the pro's tell us. "faster is more efficient". But then they say - "Ed shot a longbow, it doesn't apply!!"

[@stephenballard3759]

Where did you get this strange idea? This data applies equally to all bow types, ahooting at any speed.

[@jamesgray89]

Thanks for sharing.