Edberg & Federer - AI Upscale 4k 60fps & Stabilized, IW 2014 Practice

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@christophaltmann8711 5 ай бұрын

Two of the most elegant players on the tour🎾

@dielaughing73 4 ай бұрын

Two gorgeous 1HBHs

@TimTheMusicMan 4 ай бұрын

1hbh are the best ever, not even close, those 2hbh are truly for the under skilled and have so many disadvantages. (this doesn't include Connors, Borg, Courier).

@TheCyclesport 5 ай бұрын

Those 2 as smooth as smooth gets!

@coceth 5 ай бұрын

A nice surprise to see you post.

@gastondeveaux3783 4 ай бұрын

Edberg was such an amazing serve and volley player. I always loved watching his matches.

@eddie206 5 ай бұрын

Thanks for the upload!

@DrBroncanuus 5 ай бұрын

I'd rather watch Roger & Stefan knock up than watch Novak play a match

@TimTheMusicMan 4 ай бұрын

👍

@rangerxairsoft8171 5 ай бұрын

In present day and age Federer's forehand is as open as you can possibly have it. It's amazing how Edberg in his time managed to get away with that continental grip and have such amazing performance, but he used it more like McEnroe....just to "push" the ball forward and advance to the net. Nowadays those old style grips can be used only for fun and a mild warm-up and ofc at the net.

@TimTheMusicMan 4 ай бұрын

This is real tennis, todays tennis is a travesty, it's lost, in every aspect.

@sandygupta4545 2 ай бұрын

MF... you ain't got no single idea. When he played it was more on the Eastern side (not totally). Almost every coach goes for Continental when hitting it with their player. He's playing simplistic here ACTIVELY.

@Flootyy 5 ай бұрын

you can clearly see the difference in generations of tennis in their backhand style

@topbanana3413 5 ай бұрын

I would say it is much more obvious in the forehands.

@Flootyy 5 ай бұрын

@@topbanana3413 yeah i guess i was just focusing on their beauty backhands

@davesnow 5 ай бұрын

Edberg lived at the net and kept a continental grip on all shots. Becker had a semi-western grip with strokes that looked like today.

@tijgertjekonijnwordopgegeten 5 ай бұрын

@@davesnowBecker's strokes look more like modern strokes than most players in his time, but there are still significant differences between Becker and modern technique.

@davesnow 5 ай бұрын

@@tijgertjekonijnwordopgegeten Like what?

@jikan-tabi-1888 5 ай бұрын

Edberg won 6 slams with the most erratic forehand in the last 40 years. He overcame his weakness with an effective kick serve, smooth net game, consistent one-hand backhand and amazing movement and footwork. He had many clutch and come-from-behind moments.

@BDogs10 5 ай бұрын

It’s interesting with his forehand take back, there is very little rotation & assist from his left hand.

@barry4312 5 ай бұрын

Yeah it’s fun to imagine what he could have accomplished if he’d had a real weapon on the forehand side. It was so weak.

@datacipher 4 ай бұрын

People blindly parrot the weak forehand argument ESPECIALLY now - often coming from people who didn’t even live through his era. And yet, at the time, many of his peers when asked about it, opined that it really wasn’t weak. That it was not as good as his renowned backhand and yet he managed it, didn’t make that many errors, and then when he needs it, suddenly hits a winner or passing shot with it. You DO NOT win those slams, make many other later rounds, in an era of both great baseliners and attackers with an “erratic” forehand. There were a few days where Roger made a Ton of errors on his backhand or it completely broke down against Nadal but we don’t go around talking about his erratic or weak backhand. 🤡🤡. People love their simple silly narratives….

@barry4312 4 ай бұрын

@@datacipher I don't know man. I'm a huge Edberg fan. Watched through the whole era. To me its pretty obvious his forehand was objectively weak and I say this using my own two (non-blind) eyes. Also not sure I agree with your lumping him into an "era of great baseliners." I'll give you early Agassi as an overlapping entity this way, but c'mon, who else you talking about here? Gomez? The baseline era emerged post Edberg. His inability to compete for slams after 91/92 is perfectly consistent with the rise of actual power baseline play, where yes, absolutely his forehand was a complete liability. Your other points generally can't be addressed because they're just completely anecdotal. Ok, so he hit a forehand winner one time, great...He didn't make that many errors, great...The only thing you mention that could reasonably be picked up on to discuss further would be specific commentary of his peers saying whatever you claim they said about his forehand. Do share the links to those interviews. I'm pretty sure they don't exist because Edberg's forehand (virtually) didn't exist;)

@johnsims1283 4 ай бұрын

@@barry4312weighing in on comment about lack of baseliners in the 80s and early 90s. Guillermo Vilas, Mats Wilander, Ivan Lendl… all of them perennial baseliners not to mention the all court players (could beat you from baseline or net) Jimmy Connors, Pete Sampras, Boris Becker …. The. You have the “solid” baseliners …. Henrik Sundstrom, Anders Jaryd, Joakim Nystrom, Andy Roddick, and a few others i can’t remember their names. During this era, the technology was improving from wood to graphite/boron/composite, etc and racquet head size increased along with significant advancements in string technology. All of these are what has almost all but eliminated the serve and volley game. Given the physics of the game and the incredible technological advancements … not sure how anyone can “consistently” win with a serve and volley style anymore. Not saying it couldn’t be done but would take a generational talent I think. I think the most scientific approach I can think to determine the impact of just the technology alone is to compare number of clear winners struck from the baseline across each year - trend analysis. As a result, the technology required players to up their physical strength and stamina …. Equipment advancements changed the game soooo much (not unlike golf). Just wanted to throw in my thoughts having played tennis throughout the 80s.

@JKH-ko1xu 5 ай бұрын

Nice practice, no one trying to “win” practice or warmup. Just good depth, topspin, consistent.

@emjay2045 5 ай бұрын

All about getting rhythm on the strokes

@danieldrlja757 5 ай бұрын

Thanks for this video! It is very helpful for me (1HBH) and it's clearly evident from this angle of view - how and when Mr. Edberg starts preparation for shots on his backhand side? - VERY EARLY AND SMOOTHLY - no hesitation when turning his body - and executes his shots just on time... Good lesson for me! ❤😀👏

@KC-tt6oh 5 ай бұрын

Full on continental on the forehand

@theotherview1716 5 ай бұрын

The game has advanced so much

@rsmith02 5 ай бұрын

Edberg looked to struggle to get into it and Federer increasing the pace seemed to help him revert to his muscle memory. After a few volleys he looked sharp at net.

@ToiletTennis 5 ай бұрын

Edberg winning USO24

@davidbocanegraramirez9480 4 ай бұрын

I can watch this all day long Classic eastern grip forehand from the best

@raff75 4 ай бұрын

God bless them. Miss their shots. Miss their tennis..

@atheistcory4174 4 ай бұрын

How did Edberg win all those grand slams with that forehand? Different era, different surfaces I suppose. Federer brought him on board for his net prowess and knowledge not for his back court game. ( conversation with myself)

@omegamale7880 5 ай бұрын

Edberg + Federer = Ederer. Or is it Fedberg?

@P-K-Ray 4 ай бұрын

Edberer

@dielaughing73 4 ай бұрын

Stoger

@ericfreeman5795 4 ай бұрын

I cast my vote for Fedberg.

@RVP-TENNIS-CONSULTING 4 ай бұрын

「エドバーグ」、しんどいやろ。w

@pudimdecana51 5 ай бұрын

It is amazing to see that even with a continental grip FH he can generate more spin and consistency than my (intermediate level) “modern” forehand!

@rsmith02 5 ай бұрын

The new hasn't really replaced the old except at the highest levels. At recreational levels the complexity and more difficult timing makes it hard to be as consistent with today's ATP forehand (not really talking continental forehands but eastern and closed stance which was still used through the early '90s).

@datacipher 4 ай бұрын

Extreme… EXTREME Dunning-Kruger.

@thediplomat3137 4 ай бұрын

Looking at photos of Edberg's forehand grip over the years and it's a mystery how he kept the ball in the court with that Eastern/continental grip. Seeing this video I'm even more amazed that he's able to hit forehands with that looping topspin trajectory. It's no Nadal but it's definitely top spin and I've no clue how he creates it

@AlejandroCompagnucci-f2f 4 ай бұрын

Como se nota el paso del tiempo en estilo.. Increible, Edberg parece duro, y eso que Roger ya no es el de antes..

@flat6croc 5 ай бұрын

Players like Edberg from earlier eras are a good study in whether technique matters. His forehand technique is horrendous. McEnroe's even worse. In fact, if you go back 25 years plus, it gets hard to find anyone with nice technique. But there were many undeniably great players. McEnroe timed the ball incredibly well. It's hard to understand how he did it with his ugly technique, but he did. It's all very, very confusing!

@rsmith02 5 ай бұрын

McEnroe has a more effective forehand though- see how he does in matches against stars from the '90s he should really be losing to. His serve is also better than it was when he was a pro.

@billfly2186 4 ай бұрын

McEnroe used a 65 square inch racket. His technique was exactly right for his style of play, S&V. Plus he was probably the greatest doubles player in history. No time for big windup ground strokes in dubs. It was great technique in the 80s. Edberg was no slouch either.

@fernandojorgerenart2638 4 ай бұрын

Tennis seems such an easy game (when looking at these two giant talents from outside the court). Just try to hit the ball as tranquilly as that for over 10’ and tell how “easy” it is. Thank God we could witness such tennis art over last 4 decades 🙌🙌🙌👏👏👏

@LiamApilado 5 ай бұрын

❤

@itsmeforsure5475 4 ай бұрын

Stef still looks dam good here.

@turu-1000 5 ай бұрын

エドバーグのフォアはホントあかんなあ。

@squashduos1258 5 ай бұрын

Love Edberg’s backhand but his forehand is uuuugly….

@emjay2045 5 ай бұрын

Old school continental grip. But it’s not erratic like today’s overrated strokes

@flat6croc 5 ай бұрын

@@emjay2045 Sorry, what? Baseline rallies are longer today by far than ever before. They made far, far more errors in Edberg's day than now. Including Edberg.

@MegaBoolaBoola 5 ай бұрын

@@flat6croc Even in this brief practice session, Edberg is hitting lots of net balls, shanks, and long balls that Federer keeps in play. I feel like I could rally better than Edberg. Meanwhile, Federer doesn't miss.

@rsmith02 5 ай бұрын

@@MegaBoolaBoola Edberg looks out of practice.

@MegaBoolaBoola 4 ай бұрын

@@rsmith02 Maybe. I think the game has evolved, and mechanics are better.

@christianolsson834 4 ай бұрын

It looks like stefan has a swing weight on his racquet of 400+ by the looks of the ultra smooth strokes. They just plow through like it was a ping pong ball. 👍😎

@rangerxairsoft8171 4 ай бұрын

@@christianolsson834 Traditionallly he and Federer played with heavy rackets but very light on the head...like 12pts headlight. The Wilson 6.1Classic he used theought his career was around 340g and was being used by almost all pros at that time, no matter the style they played.

@tcoylesq1 4 ай бұрын

Like that 2 one handed backhands are playing

@CarsonReeves-m9w 5 ай бұрын

oof, that forehand! That thing's tough to watch.

@emjay2045 5 ай бұрын

I love it

@laurastone6578 4 ай бұрын

For a few years Edberg coached/mentored Federer.

@bigmamelons 4 ай бұрын

As an Edberg admirer, his forehand was by far his weaker side, but I wouldn't say it was a liability. It just wasn't a weapon. His forehand was built with a short backswing for approaches to the net. In fact, his whole game was catered to that purpose of going to the net during an era where the courts were much faster. It's ugly (and I admit it is) compared to the other beautiful parts of his game. There are plenty of clips of Edberg using his forehand for passing shots and impacting plenty of topspin, even with his continental grip.

@simeonselmon8318 4 ай бұрын

I'm surprised edberg can still play tennis

@iwituazon10 5 ай бұрын

Almost all these old school players don't know how to hit with topspin lol. That forehand by Edberg is more like a push/slap, no racquet headspeed lol

@rsmith02 5 ай бұрын

Who are you comparing him to exactly? His generation was mostly topspin players; he was unusual in being a serve and volleyer.