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[@JoshuaNicoll]

man, you don't sound so good, are you alright? Get well soon you hear me?

[@Vnifit]

YOU HEAR ME? IF YOU DON'T GET BETTER I SWEAR TO GOD I'LL...

[@Meneltour27]

+Corporate Sellout ... come over there and beat the health into you? jokes aside get well soon man

[@miketel01]

Dave sounds like he has a cold. Take a rest Dave . Go home and rest

[@jope7137]

He lives in Australia. Winter is coming...

[@jerryscanas]

Jack frost is Jacking of all over his lawn

[@smartydix]

Totally predicted that allwinner pun. Anyway, thanks for sharing the armbian builds, I'll need them soon. I'd sure enjoy more videos on this, especially how to go around putting on a heatsink.

[@krisztianszirtes5414]

I've got a pi 2 from my cousin for my birthday a few days ago. And now Dave just HAD to upload this :D

[@randysmith7094]

Personally, I'm sick of hearing Pi Zero called a $5 computer. I can't find it anywhere for under $45. If you can't get it anywhere for $5 then it not a fucking $5 computer!

[@raul0ca]

Four years later and supply is still limitef

[@DJignyte]

Ooooh, cant wait to watch you start building this cluster. I'm excited! Great stuff, Dave!

[@stryk187]

The Allwinner ARM proc's have crap support from what I've been able to find out, particularly in the open source world. From the sound of it, this is not something that can be remedied without manufacturer support, which I hear Allwinner is downright terrible at. Many other SBC's that use Allwinner chips have the same issues (Banana Pi, PINE64, etc.)

[@CAZinAustralia]

I thought the allwinner series were popular among emmbeded pensource projects. Do you know how they compare to say broadcom opensourceness for there SOC. Couldnt even find any data for the broadcom chips.

[@stryk187]

CAZinAustralia I'm far from an expert, but I have done a fair amount of cursory research into the various different types and models of SBCs. What I've gathered so far is that (as Dave said in the video) Raspberry Pi is far-and-away the winner in terms of support, community, and ease of use. RPis are powered by Broadcom ARM proc's which are closed-source, yet there is an extensive amount of software, libraries, and tools already available for anyone to use. The models that use Allwinner chips (of which there are a LOT - especially with SBCs out of Asia) do so because of cost. The Allwinner ARM chips are cheap and readily available (they'll sell them to anyone I guess, and Broadcom will not sell to the public at all and many have tried - they even turn down people wanting to order thousands upon thousands of dollars worth). Now I'm not a programmer, so I may be speaking out of turn here, but from what I can gather on forums and such is that Allwinner refuses to provide binary blobs for their ARM processors (or maybe the stuff needed to generate the blobs, as I said I'm no coder, but it's something to do with them, I think)-- which I gather is a critical piece of the pie needed to design software for them -- especially low-level stuff, particularly O/S's. I'm not sure how much the datasheets come in to play with this issue -- but they've been publicly available since day 1 and yet nobody has resolved these issues to the best of my knowledge. EDIT: Also, one HUGE thing I forgot to mention is that the GPU portion on some of these cheap Allwinner ARM boards is straight up garbage (this may have been fixed with newer revisions of ARM chips, I'm not totally sure). Like bad... BAD BAD, really bad. And Allwinner has been of ZERO help trying to fix this. There are a lot of people on these single-board enthusiast forums that flat-out refuse to use anything Allwinner because of this - among other stuff.

[@TheUbuntuGuy]

I worked with a SBC called the CubieBoard, which used an Allwinner A20. The support was so terrible that we eventually scrapped all 20 boards we bought and went with RPis. Trust me, we tried for over a year to make everything work.

[@nid817]

Allwinner's are fine for CPU stuff due to the excellent sunxi community. The graphics stuff is universally terrible in the arm world, so no one wins there (unless you switch to android) or use the raspi which has limited (old) opengl support. So depends what you want to do.

[@Kamtar34]

It's a classic cheap product from china designed for their local crapy phones and tablets. It isnt usable in any serious product. For hobby okay but thats all.

[@Nukle0n]

Crikey what happened to your voice?

[@gglovato]

Dave, why did you compare it with the rpi2 instead of the rpi3. The 3 has the same price but is a quad cortex a53 64b which is substantially faster than the rpi2(2-25x). Also has wifi and bt and a whole gig of ram.that's the best comparison

[@jtn191]

agreed!

[@Subcode]

Yeah i don't get it either, its been out for a bit now. Why compare an older model.

[@JohnBargman]

The Orange PI is designed to be equivalent to a PI2, thus it's lack of Wifi, blutooth, etc. It's also closer to a PI2 from a hardware point of view.

[@hellterminator]

+John Bargman So? I don't care how well the company making it achieved their objective of competing with the RPi 2. What I care about is how it measures up to current devices on the market. That's like saying you should never compare the RPi 3 with an RPi 2 because the RPi 2 was designed to compete with the B+, so that's the only device we're allowed to ever compare it to.

[@gglovato]

***** exactly, since the rpi3 is THE SAME PRICE as the rpi2, it essentially replaces it directly, making any comparison with the rpi2 obsolete.

[@followthetrawler]

looking forward to your video on building the cluster

[@joelholdsworth]

Dave: great to see you getting into all this open source stuff. For a long time a lot of EE guys don't really want to touch it, which is a shame because there's so much awesome stuff to be done with it.

[@redtails]

man you're stepping in dangerous territory if you're discussing the ups/downs of raspberry pi replacers XD. The fanbase of raspi is as crazy, if not crazier, than the Apple people

[@TechyBen]

I like the look of Arduinos. But they are more micro controllers and less "computers". They are a better start IMO than the Pi which throws you right into an OS and programming and hardware environment. Arduino seems to just throw you in with programming and hardware. Though a Pi of cause is more self contained than running a development API in a separate computer to program the micro controllers.

[@Blacktronics]

STM32 Nucleo boards ftw Real µC development unlike the Arduino junk

[@nimeq]

Except the STM32 has the worst libraries, documentation and development environments of the current MCUs I've seen.

[@Blacktronics]

nimeq The fuck? You can pick whichever IDE you like. >STM32 has the worst libraries Have fun with your excessively inflated and awful Arduino libraries and your 32kb of flash. You have no fucking clue how good the STMicro documentation is, stuff mostly works as described unlike chips from certain other manufacturers (Looking at you LT)

[@nimeq]

+Blacktronics I didn't mean the low level docs, but rather the SDK docs. The low level documentation for STM32 is actually ok, and since I have a bunch of the STM32 chips, I've resigned to rewriting logic to work with the subsystems. But what I mean is if you buy STM32 (as a beginner) the experience is the singularly crappiest experience with MCU's I've experienced. (in tiny text: There may be worse) My comment on IDE is mostly related to newbies really, I use vim and gnu make since for some reason people pay me for it. Emacs is for poor people!

[@landmarkwings7735]

Thanks for making this video. I was looking at this board for awhile now.

[@leisergeist]

Woah what? Dave likes a cheaper Chinese product? I don't remember stepping into the Twilight Zone

[@leisergeist]

Also I hope you make a video if you make that cluster, that'd be cool

[@jakp8777]

Dave likes lots of chinese products including Rigol. Dave even sells Taiwanese meters. Not sure what you are talking about.

[@mmmhorsesteaks]

+jak p (skiguy09) dave's "quality" fetish :-p

[@itsGeorgeAgain]

Well almost anything comes from China. It depends on the quality tier you are willing to go for.

[@ovais909]

Taiwanese products are better quality though

[@AndyMcBlane]

Wow. You sound pretty sick :O

[@EEVblog]

You should hear me today.

[@Poebat]

yeah

[@cityturbofly]

yuh sounds like a cold sitting in. has been cold this week!

[@Zarcondeegrissom]

Hope you start feeling better soon. I gave up on the Pi2, as it just could not keep up with your vids, lol. I ordered an Odroid XU4 a few days before the Pi3 came out, I don't know. I just need something for displaying PDFs on, and the XU4 can at least do that, lol.

[@morantaylor]

"Winter is coming" sorry couldn't help quoting Game of Thrones! its cooled right down this week winter officially starts next week.

[@KrzysztofDziuba----1-2-3]

I ordered One because Pi Zero was not available at the moment. I wanted to connect it to the 1024x768 LCD panel from old laptop by HDMI. There is an issue as video driver doesn't support 'PC' resolutions (1024x768, 1280x1024, etc...), generally modern 16:9 resolutions (like HD, Full HD, etc...). There are build-able kernel sources, so I thought that there could be easy way to add additional mode. So I found that there are two tables that have to be modified: one is general modeline settings where timings can be easily generated using freely available modeline generators (e.g. for X11). Unfortunately there is another table where values are strictly connected to the registers in HDMI module inside SoC. Unfortunately Allwinner H3 documentation is missing chapter that describes these registers. I found some 'hack' that modifies existing 720p and 1080p resolutions but this doesn't work correctly - my Dell monitor reports some strange resolution. So be aware that there are quirks and it is not so open sourced....

[@Ccs4646]

Get Well Soon Dave!

[@kazriko]

One Hung Lo ARM computer, complete with massive security holes and overheating. The Raspberry Pi drivers though are completely open source. You might not be able to get the datasheet, but you can definitely modify any part of the software system. I heard that parts of the Orange Pi are actually closed source drivers. There's all kinds of licensing compliance issues with Allwinner's closed source binaries as well. How does it compare to the RPi3 in performance per watt? RPi3 is about 40-50% faster than the RPi 2 for the same price.

[@1Hippo]

Thats right, there is for example only a binary GPU driver available (if you need hardware acceration / 3D) and the 3.4 Linux Kernel in these legacy Armbian build is really old, there are efforts from other people (nothing from Allwinner) to support the H3 SoC in Linux mainline, but it has still a lot of issues, USB support is planned in 4.7...

[@kazriko]

The GPU on the RPi is one of the few with a full open source 3d stack as a high performance option, even if that does mean that RPi is stuck with that GPU until they manage to get another GPU open-sourced. AMD's headed that way though with their OpenGPU efforts. I'd love to see a passively-cooled quad-puma or zen embedded chip with 1-2 GCN CU's on a raspberry pi competitor. Something to replace my ancient E350 board. I'm not going to hold my breath though!

[@tsobf242]

The drivers might be OSS, but there's a decent amount of closed source firmware you have to use

[@blcollier]

And therein lies the difference between Pi boards and all the others that are coming out of the woodwork: if the drivers are open source that means I can port them to newer kernel versions and I'm not at the whim of a company that may or may not continue to support their products. Srsly, kernel version 3.4 in Armbian? That's /four years/ old...

[@kazriko]

+tsobf242 which one are you referring to?

[@Subparanon]

I hope your throat feels better Dave. Sounds like you're getting over a cold.

[@mikk150]

As far as I know RPI2 is now fully open-source, CPU doc is up in the web and VideoCore drivers are now open-source as well(couple of kernel releases ago it happened)

[@indask8]

Probably already said in the comment but the Rpi Zero isn't Cortex A7, it's an ARM11 much older cpu architecture.

[@elfenmagix8173]

The OS on the Orange PC will work on the Orange Pi One, Orange Pi Lite and Orange Pi Mini (no longer made); they all share the same memory map though some hardware is missing, like a PC with cards. Examine the board under a magnifying glass, you can add ports to the smaller boards as the pads for the ports are still there.

[@stevenhitt6954]

What about the Orange Pi performance vs the Raspberry Pi 3?

[@EEVblog]

I believe it's pretty equivalent.

[@Zane073]

+EEVblog The Pi 3 performs about 1.5 to 2x better than the Pi 2 www.trustedreviews.com/opinions/raspberry-pi-3-vs-pi-2 which would put it closer to the Orange Pi you tested (aside from video). It would be interesting to see the power and heat results!

[@cf9870]

I was about to throw my one out until I watched this, Thanks Dave! My issue was just not being used to waiting that long until an led to turn on (Face-palm!), I had to power my one on for around 30 seconds until it showed any signs of life. Also, the monitor on my test bench is 1920x1200, so blank screen, had to SSH in to set the resolution, unfortunately, it only supports 16:9 not 16:10 as far as I can tell, so left with a strange mirror image at the bottom of the screen. Im working on a project where we need 300 Raspberry Pi's, Thought this would saved us a good few quid, but I recon Ill stick to the Pi. Much less hassle and far more support. Has potential tho.

[@shiroikin]

Fairly new to this channel and not entirely sure of what everything dave is talking about, just enjoy looking at all the electronics. What exactly would you use these boards for?

[@ElmerFuddGun]

I'll stick with the official RPi models. Extra headaches, security risks, Chinese websites, and EXTREME CPU heat is enough to stay away. That being said... if I was serious about using a bunch (10+) all in the same design then maybe I would try it. But to save $15 on one just isn't worth it and I would prefer to support the Foundation and their goals.

[@cbm80amiga]

Consider that Orange Pi has much better SoC than RPi. Faster USB and hw ethernet. Also CPU is better, and GPU and VPU allows smooth 4k video playback.

[@hassiaschbi]

Thats exactly my thought too. I plan to put around 20 to 30 of them as nodes for data acquirement in the worksop plus a few 8 bit mcu´s for each of the nodes.

[@izzieb]

All I can say is I like Odroid.

[@ElmerFuddGun]

I hear you but saving a few bucks isn't worth it for small quantity uses. For most people 1080p is good enough especially considering most will be using 1080 monitors or TVs. Don't get me wrong it is great to have competition but I don't think the Orange Pi wins for the reasons I mentioned above. Flat out performance isn't my goal (it may be yours) as much as reliability and low power are.

[@ElmerFuddGun]

+hassiaschbi - yep for 20 or 30 then it may be worth the hassles to save $15 per unit. BUT if it was for a business use I would bet that that $300 savings still might not be worth the trouble if it takes more than a day of work for a single employee to convert the project to Orange Pi from a working RPi setup. If you need that little extra boost in performance AND if you can keep that CPU cool (ie. reliable) it may be the right move. Lots of things to consider besides immediate component costs and it's not likely a clear cut decision either way. Hope you will show your setup when it is finished!

[@VadimHarenco]

It would be nice if you would tell more about those supercomputer clusters

[@TheJohn8765]

Damn. That would make a great Kodi-computer. I really can't comprehend how much computing power you can get for a tenner. Crazy.

[@giorgiochiurato4122]

I bought that board due to a friend's advise. Well, it turned out to be quite a nice board for the first 3 minutes, then i checked system messages, just to be sure everything was working fine. It really wasn't. That nice ARISC error you can see in the video is caused by wrong setting of the builtin voltage regulator, which the developers assumed to be the same one as the Orange Pi PC, which actually isn't. So i said: "What can i do now?". Checked all orangepi's image, none of them worked properly: some freezed continuously, others didn't support ethernet connection, others didn't boot at all. Nice, now i have a board that even the producer didn't manage to run properly. Then i goggled a bit of infos and i came up with this site linux-sunxi.org/ (which is REALLY well written). And here you realize that the h3 SoC support in the Mainline Kernel still misses lots of features (such as voltage reguator, of course), and legacy kernel is pretty unstable. In the end, i certainly don't doubt about this board's capabilities, but i won't recoomend it to an average user, unless you want to cope with (difficult things here!!) kernel problems and do a bit of (even more difficult things here) kernel developing. I'm not an expert and i don't want to spent too much time on this, but maybe i'll try to contribute a bit. Yeah, it's really frustrating bros :) Hope this helps (feel free to ask for any question about my sad adventure).

[@tarstarkusz]

What about that heat problem? How much worse is this going to be when you try to put the all close together? Do you think a short passive heat sink could bring this temp down significantly?

[@EEVblog]

That requires another video and some controlled tests, and will vary with the case used.

[@tarstarkusz]

But isn't height a problem here?

[@Space_Reptile]

what about the CHIP ? whys nobody talking about C.H.I.P.

[@CAZinAustralia]

Dosnt come out till June? Would love a CHIP vs Orange pi Vs Raspberry pi video though.

[@BenjaminGoose]

What's the difference between the CHIP and the C.H.I.P.?

[@EEVblog]

I love it how the LiPo battery costs more than the board!

[@Strawberrymaker]

+BenjaminGoose IIRC the performance is like the pi zero while costing more and comming with less. so yeah, obsolete

[@jgmrequel]

It comes with integrated 4GB storage, wireless and bluetooth, with it's own lipo connector and charging circuitry, all for 4 bucks more. Not that obsolete.

[@briansonof]

What's wrong with the publically-available bcm2835 peripherals data sheet again? It's 200 pages and covers everything that's not generic ARM....

[@EEVblog]

It's not the full datasheet , end of story.

[@ZLau13]

A little correction: The Pi Zero has an ARM11 (armv6) processor, so _at least_ one generation older than Cortex-A7!

[@johndrachenberg2254]

11:50 "Because I'm going to build a supercomputer cluster..." to run BOINC. No, Dave, you're not. Go ahead and do it for fun, but if your goal is to actually contribute data to SETI@home, you'll need a decently powered GPU to do so. It's comparable to shipping 10 tons of products across the country via moped. Sure, you could do it, but you'd be a fool not to use a semi-truck.

[@_Piers_]

...but it would be much more fun by moped.

[@johndrachenberg2254]

Rizon1985 LOL. Lay off the flux fumes, buddy.

[@Poctyk]

>et's hope it doesn't end up like the Sinclair C5 restoration. What? I am new here.

[@jimporter]

One thing to remember when it comes to cost is that Raspberry Pi is a foundation, a U.K. Charity that spends much of that income on developing learning research. All these Chinese copies etc that are riding on the platforms are effectively taking income from a charity and not adding much of their own.

[@thomasbaumann694]

@EEVBlog: Have you tried to access the GPIO Pins already? Specially using Python. Also using I2C and TWI

[@BajanAlan]

Hi Dave Explaining Computers has done a series on cooling RP3, its very interisting

[@HandleShandle]

But how does it compare to Raspberry Pi 3? The leap from Cortex A7 to Cortex A53 is big one, but it would be nice to see that comparison as well :)

[@ElmerFuddGun]

Biggest problem with the RPi Zero is you can't get it!!! I think the Foundation just did it as a gimmick to compete with the other Kickstarter $5 computer and they just don't care to meet the demand. Even with stock alerts it sells out before you can order it. Or you have to order some kit for 8x the price. So not good if you want 5 or something. RPi Zero has been a big disappointment.

[@brandonfesser1893]

Two words: Micro Center. If you're not in the US, seek out an equivalent shop.

[@_Piers_]

+Brandon Fesser Sadly we don't have any retail stores carrying Pi Zeros in the UK. You'd think they would be easier to get here than anywhere else...but nope. They just need to bump the price up until its profitable enough to produce in bulk. Or better yet, just let the Chinese do it for them.

[@ElmerFuddGun]

Thank for the tip but I couldn't find it on their online store and there is no close store to me to go and check.

[@ElmerFuddGun]

Wow, of all the places I would expect to find RPi products would be the UK! It's sad that they continue to Tweet about what has been made with it, etc. but you can't find it anywhere! The reason I want some (ie. more than one) is because they are cheap. BUT that being said, I would gladly pay a bit more to actually get some! I mean they could increase the profit on the Pi Zero by 50% by increasing the price to $6 assuming there is $2 per unit of profit to be made by the Foundation and the sellers. Make it more profitable and start selling them! The Zero has been zero fun when there are zero easily available!

[@brandonfesser1893]

The Raspberry Pi Foundation is a non-profit. They are producing them "in bulk", they're just staggering the release to try to fight the scalping issues they had with past releases.

[@grogyan]

If you are comparing Pi Vs Pi, consider the ODroid SBC which is similar priced to the PI2 but much better in many ways

[@bluephreakr]

So basically Dave, you're saying _without_ your information, we'd have a harder time. What you probably didn't anticipate, is that now a lot of people using the Orange Pi One will be using Armbian for the OPi1 thanks to this video.

[@dalekmun2010]

What a coincidence, I'm just building a little boxy thing for my orange pi one now. I utterly love the darn thing, just ordered four more. Can't wait for them to arrive. Anyway, box has 12v in from my solar, a 50w chinese 5v stepdown, the Oppai one, a little router/access point, a usb/sata adaptor, and a 2.5" running off the stepdown. On top of that the box's front panel has 2x USB ports running off the stepdown for charging stuff, an ethernet port on the front, and a big blue button as well. All this in a 10x10x18cm box. I wanna make more!

[@resneptacle]

Do you have a project website?

[@dalekmun2010]

JonasLue Nah, might throw up a page on hackaday.io when I'm done though.

[@resneptacle]

+Ryan Mitchell Cool

[@dalekmun2010]

JonasLue There ya go, made this up: hackaday.io/project/11877-somatic-private-server

[@JordyValentine]

Hi Ryan, sounds like a cool project you have going. I just wanted to let you know that these Allwinner chips have a developer backdoor left in that gives direct access to the kernel. You can find plenty of articles about this if you search 'allwinner developer backdoor' in google you can find many articles about it.

[@alfblack2]

hows the cluster now? Did last long?

[@RenThraysk]

Like how the heatsink is an optional extra. That's some scrimping and saving there.

[@GeorgeOu]

Can you do a flash memory performance test for sequential and 4K random read/write? And what about network throughput? I'll post my own tests soon.

[@BastetFurry]

5$ for the RPi0? Now that would be fine if you could get one for that. Even on release neither Reichelt nor Pollin where able to sell you one for, lets give them some slack here, 5€. Only as a kit with some cheap stuff that would have been cheaper if bought single. So, yeah. Send me a note when you can actually buy that thing for 5€ here in Germany.

[@M0UAW_IO83]

I managed to get two of them, without having to buy any extras apart from a very reasonable shipping charge, there'll be another tranche of them in stock in various suppliers this Wednesday so try again if you're interested. It'll take a week or two for all us Pi fans to stop hoovering up stock as soon as we see it. .

[@BastetFurry]

Well, Reichelt sells them only with two adapters for a whooping 14,50€. Thats far far away from 5€. www.reichelt.de/RASP-PI-ZERO/3/index.html?ARTICLE=162609

[@jesuishalil]

+Bastet Furry I ordered mine from the pi hut I think, 9 euros total due to shipping, Netherlands also, thought being your neighbour was close enough :P

[@M0UAW_IO83]

Well that sucks, but there are other distributors, Farnell and RS, Conrad etc. who will sell you just the board. Plenty of UK suppliers will ship them to Germany, Pi Hut for instance will sell you one for EU10.40 including shipping.

[@whydoihavetodothisannoying]

That's a problem in Germany with everything tech, all things are extremely overpriced compared to their MSRP. Everything from GPU's and CPU's down to the Pi3 and the Pi0. I saved ~200 Euro on my GPU's ordering from the US even with tax and customs on top and it got delivered faster than most of our parts retailers would manage. Even official Amazon is overpriced here.

[@ElmerFuddGun]

A more accurate power consumption comparison might be to mount a heat sink and fan and see how much fan power is required to keep the CPU at the same temperature as the RPi going full tilt. 90°+ is just crazy hot! The Orange Pi is fast but most of us likely want reliability first. IMHO.

[@MDFRESCUER]

Good video.

[@paulA0712]

Informative video, thanks!. Sounds like there are a lot of barriers to get started here. Maybe you could resell these as an eevblog-pi kit including a pre-imaged card and heatsink? Can you add bodge wires to power it from the usb port?

[@JohnGotts]

The Orange Pi hardware is also available on banggood.com. If you buy Orange Pi hardware, don't forget to get the specific power cable it requires. It plugs directly into any USB port. Cost is negligible, a couple of bucks.

[@0xBene]

Yes, and you can get it on www.gearbest.com too.

[@fuelvolts]

No relevant results when I search "orange pi" on that site.

[@0xBene]

If you respond to me, here you go: www.gearbest.com/boards-shields/pp_314651.html

[@winstonsmith478]

"The Orange Pi hardware is also available on banggood.com." I don't see it. Gearbest has an Orange Pi, not the One.

[@TheOneWhoMightBe]

To me, "Banggood" always sounds like it's a Chinese Adult Educational Website. Horrible name.

[@surajbhawal2474]

hey Dave, have you checked the gpios... do they work?

[@ermanoffermanoff2960]

Would you make videos about how you're making a supercomputer cluster?

[@GeorgeOu]

Thanks for the quick review. I've never had issues ordering from Aliexpress. I got my Orange Pi One just one week from the time I ordered it with ePacket so I'm happy. Just be aware that the cost of shipping back to China is more than $30 from the US so you can forget about refunds.

[@Dyas777]

Do you have winter?

[@AzCcc]

Hi Dave, Since this is a new product why not comparing it to to the raspberry pi 3? what am I missing here, is it because rpi3 uses a different architecture (A53 Vs A7)?

[@leungyikwai]

how did you record the orange Pi running?

[@sebastianheyn4886]

Have you played around with the GPU on the opi?

[@davidedmonds3884]

Hi Dave, the BBC in the UK is giving a BBC micro:bit computer to all year 7 school children to get involved in electronics. It might be worth checking this out.

[@mkschreder]

Just ordered one. Gonna definitely run OpenWRT on it with a custom kernel..

[@godonholiday]

Does the Orange Pi affect everyones voice like that? You didnt mention that in the downsides!

[@mia4md]

Get well soon, very informative.

[@ExStaticBass]

Dave, what do you know about thermal epoxies? I've been looking for a good one for a while now. Hit or miss just isn't working. What do you recommend for a permanent heatsink solution?

[@vehasmaa]

Up next cooling test of Orange Pi, how much cooling you need to run it full power...

[@doubleatheman]

Its Cool to see Orange Pi go main stream! (I hope) I own an Orange Pi Plus (first H3 model) Ornage Pi PC, and the Orange pi One. I run minecraft servers on them now, but I dont use them as thin clients, because GPU driver support is horrible right now, its what has held me back from using them for a long time now.

[@the3dvideo]

Mail bag? You said weekly .

[@EEVblog]

I know, but I'm sick.

[@the3dvideo]

:( But i sent you something that would get you onto another china crap rant.

[@mjaerkens]

Get well soon Dave!

[@andycristea]

+EEVblog get well soon!

[@nonsuch]

You can buy them on Ebay US as well.

[@SatanicJamnic]

Hello! I have got Raspberry Pi 2, I'm a photographer and i really would like to create automatic backup SD-copier with R Pi2. Do you think, you could help me, make this device?

[@kshadehyaena]

Do you want to just copy everything from one card onto another, duplicating them? That's just one command in Linux. Most difficult part would probably be the user interface, if you want to carry it around without a keyboard & monitor.

[@TheBreadboardca]

The latest Jessie distro for the Raspberry PI has SD card backup and other new cool features

[@SatanicJamnic]

kshade I would like to copy files from SD to 2,5 hdd by pressing the button on the box. LED should light up green when process completed.

[@indersingh3210]

Great Video Dave ! One interesting thing to me is that the H3 has an Ethernet Interface built-in, but the chip the Pi 2 uses does not. It uses a separate Ethernet controller. So, if you wish to do a bare metal program and use ethernet then you need to first write a bare metal USB program ! Which is really painful. Of course, then these things were probably never designed with the bare metal aspect in mind (its a little stupid on these anyways, but some people might want to use it that way)

[@danc8278]

How does the pwr efficiency compare to the Pi 3?

[@wald01979]

And you think the Orange Pi's micro-firmware or firmware isn't backdoored?

[@electronicsNmore]

Years ago when China made things like this, people would have ended up calling it a "Lemon Pi". :-) Quality of Chinese products have certainly come a long way. They were forced to produce products of higher quality.

[@NeverSuspects]

It took the Chinese some time to steal all the US Intellectual Property and have a workforce that was skill in the production of these things that was obtained working for US Electronics Company that moved manufacturing to China due to the US taxing and regulating businesses to the point that everything made here cost more to make here then for it to be made overseas shipped into the us and be under that cost and still selling at a profit and for the CCP to fund smart phone makers that are a Chinese company and started right at smartphones, skipped the decades of R&D that Apple, Samsung, Nokia, etc went through to get to the point of having the knowledge to build such amazing devices for China to steal to sell to it's population that still doesn't freely allow the US to offer its goods to the Chinese population. 90% of the shit coming out the China is still shit, some gems but shit. I'm not talking about the major well know brands but the brand less cripples crap that resembles high end brand products that are also, 'MADE IN CHINA'.

[@thatcrazywolf]

electronicsNmore I got a raspberry pi zero at microcenter for $5

[@albertmagician8613]

@nosuspect Accusations of "stealing" goes unsubstantiated. It boils down to good old capitalist competition. The truth USA can't compete. Allwinner would be buried in lawsuits by now.

[@frankcorales3101]

Awesome video!!! Thanks for do it!

[@tahanprahara]

Dear Sir... I need you help... I want to make a webserver, Can I using this Orange Pi Supercompter cluster... ? Thank you

[@valveman12]

Where can you buy the orange pi for $10 or the raspberry Pi Zero for $5? I couldn't.

[@peeejayz]

How does it compare to the Pi 3 tho?

[@DoRC]

Why wouldn't you be comparing this to the pi 3?

[@aljowen]

Is a cluster of these better than building a cheap low end small form factor desktop pc?

[@cbm80amiga]

Dave, wrong - Orange Pi PC has in fact 4 USBs, one of them is in microUSB form and is OTG capable which you cannot have on RPi.

[@rubber20021]

no mention of the black berry -elderberry., the one that handles data at 750MHz proc speed.

[@k20ftw1]

The orange Pi one is available on Amazon, at least in the USA, for $17.99 with free prime shipping.

[@Vibinator]

wow! this popped up as soon as i thought of you :)

[@OtaconEmmerich]

Damn, these micro PC boards are getting small and decently powerful and for dirt cheap!

[@TheVexCortex]

So, with a computer this cheap, you could say, we're allwinners?

[@TheXSairam]

What did you do to your voice?

[@thesmashtvnetwork]

What the pin out for power

[@jschroedl983]

what mouse cursor do you use?

[@EEVblog]

The pointy one.

[@jschroedl983]

How do you make it turn black when you click?

[@steve24822]

+Joe Schroedl It will be part of the video editor he uses.

[@incredibil45]

How do you put keyboard and mouse on one usb port lol?

[@kingfish600]

I bought 4 orange pi pc's when they first came out. The ARMbian and Openelec(Jacer) builds are great but be aware that it will play HEVC x.265 but not with 10bit and 4k stutters sometimes. There is also a lot of development going on on the orange pi Facebook page like Retropi and Pubuntu.

[@xPow-]

Does it have an ADC?

[@ConnorwithanO]

You should review the PcDuino!

[@LeJimster]

Nice to see you using Linux Dave :0). And these Pi's look pretty interesting. I might pick one up as I've never had any issues using Aliexpress.

[@Anticitizen666]

Dave, you know the Pi 3 is out now? It has been available for quite a while, and is substantially faster than the Pi 2, for the same price.

[@cody9089]

can you overlock the orange pi one like the raspberry pi?

[@tonysofla]

Sigfox is coming to Australia through Thinxtra, research and show how a coin-cell radio transmitter can go 20KM. What product ideas do you have that could send 12bytes up to 100 times a day?

[@St0ne2013]

Enough to run a teamspeak server?

[@markward4176]

will this board playback 1080p60 from youtube?

[@ElNeroDiablo]

It'd be interesting to see the Orange Pi and Raspberry Pi 2 face off against the PINE A64 that was on Kickstarter, as I've actually got a few of the A64's coming my way being a backer of the project.

[@DidierBrems]

HI, I made the same test on a Rasperry PI 3, it beats the Orange Pi One. The timings are, for the cpu 4 threads : 46.4241s , and for the memory test 6.6755 s.

[@ExtraordinaryBen]

The distro builds on the community forum and facebook group are a lot better polished than what's on the Orange Pi website. The overheating issue is well documented by the community. It turns out that the manufacturer overclocked the CPU to an unsafe frequency, but this can be changed so that it runs stably and won't require a heatsink.

[@ab.3800]

the errors look like some kinda bug with the built in cpu scaling system, probably a way to disable that

[@phreeze83]

how compatible is the retropie distro/frontend with emulationstation on the orange pi ? is it plug and play? or not at all?