EFAP

[@samwallaceart288]

Alanah: "The Game Journalist Community has investigated itself and has found no wrongdoing"

[@Red-zh7vq]

I miss old Funhaus

[@jroggs85]

She pulled the same stunt when she got caught trying to steal credit for someone else's original art. Apparently indie creators aren't "complex" enough to praise, but they are good enough to plagiarize. But hey, who needs integrity when you've got low-cut shirts and a zealous army of simps?

[@RhysCallinan-hf7qx]

​@@Red-zh7vqBruce, James and Adam, before the company became toxic. While I don't like that Adam cheated on his wife it shouldn't have led to his firing. Bruce also was planning on staying a little longer but chose to leave earlier. Don't know how James is still going though.

[@SolProxy]

​@@RhysCallinan-hf7qx From the things I've heard, from Bruce I believe is that Adam was far worse than just cheating on his wife. I heard him and his wife had sex in the office at least once and that Adam was kind of a nasty person to women there, leading to Bruce to reporting him but Rooster Teeth not doing anything led to him leaving instead.

[@canaldecasta]

Petition for Steam to add the tag 'Gollum-like'.

[@Agxigpk-nj7lx]

Steam actually allows custom tags, so if enough people branded a game a gollum-like, it would actually show on the game's store page.

[@JD-pw2xc]

and i just did exactly that ^^

[@rollrcoastrbacon2725]

Outlaws really is the Lord Of Ring Gollum of Sci Fi action adventure games

[@Jackallen88]

Metal is so inspiring. Overcoming his verbal situational disability and having a presence on KZbin.

[@madcapmakov2]

Metal is a great sounding German.

[@Zubarus]

@@madcapmakov2 we are many and some even sound less german by some words as metal.

[@乂SMK]

This is so true I'm literally shaking & crying right now 😂 so stunning and brave

[@madcapmakov2]

@@Zubarus You are the supreme Nation. 👍🏻 with the best women!

[@Snipfragueur]

Overcoming his what ?

[@myslon]

(un)fun fact: PC gamer gave this 73/100, Space Marine2 60/100 and Gollum 64/100.

[@barrytrotter311]

Holy fucking shit...

[@danishcartoonist545]

Gollum more than Space Marine 2?!?!

[@myslon]

@@danishcartoonist545 Yepp. Supposedly it has no depth and replayability. Reviewer probably couldn't handle higher difficulties. I'm sitting at 100 hours just in co-op, thinking that this might be GotY. I'm gonna play lot more sm2 when release highest difficulty tier.

[@Talon3000]

Mainstream games journalism has been dead for ten years and continues to prove this fact.

[@gustavocosta7497]

Confirmed. This is worse than Gollum The Lord of Ring.

[@TheNoonish]

Wait a second, it really just hit me what that article about shooting from the speeder actually said. “The original trilogy focused on speeder chases where the heroes were evading instead of shooting.” There was no speeder chase in A New Hope or Empire Strikes Back. There was one singular speeder chase in Return of the Jedi. And the heroes were the ones chasing! They accidentally tipped off troopers while trying to sneak into a base and had to chase them down to stop them from reporting in that they’d seen rebels on Endor. They were chasing the scout troopers, not trying to evade them. These people don’t even know what is happening in the stories they’re copying.

[@emuman09]

Shhhh shhhh " applies chloroform napkin to mouth" shhhhh

[@bilson7523]

@@TheNoonish I think you're just remembering the movie wrong. Games Journalists are above reproach

[@nateparrott2633]

There is NOTHING WRONG with wanting attractive characters in your escapism fantasy.

[@Zepher0987]

Or in general. Rags was noting while playing how every single woman in the game was unattractive. Except for Danka of course.

[@The_Punisher]

Exactly not like we expect every woman to look like a super model IRL just in games

[@bijibadness]

and you have them. with Aloy and this Kay character and with Shadowheart and on and on and on. There is NOTHING WRONG with the way these women characters look. from a non-technical standpoint, anyway.

[@Zepher0987]

@@bijibadness Yes there is.

[@321cheeseman]

@@bijibadness It's okay if you like men, but other people have different preferences. Surely you can understand that.

[@mrminecraftcubeable]

Boooo, Theo is doing the Jim sterling "stinky Gamers" thing where he just picks the extremes and ignores the point It's not that these characters are "ugly" it's that they are significantly uglier than their actors in similar ways. You have important female characters that the players will see a lot and yet they look scuffed, the excuse that it's because of the tech doesn't hold up when older games do it fine or when male characters look like the actors Dev's example with MJ was obvious and it's even more obvious when you compare the character in the first game to the character in the newer game The most evident change in kay and MJ (and others) is their big wombo chins If this was a mistake it would be embarrassing for these big companies but people feel it's deliberate and they dislike the idea that developers are intentionally told to make characters uglier for ideological reasons

[@mrminecraftcubeable]

Tldr: stinky basement dwellers touching grass and learning to talk to women won't make the game characters magically look more like the actors

[@arandomperson3840]

MJ's face seems to have aged significantly between the two games even though they're supposed to be a couple of years apart.

[@yanribeiro7108]

Theo's point was just that it is nowhere near as big of an issue as people are making it seem, especially compared to these games' bigger problems. He was present when dev presented these two examples you mentioned, I don't know why you think he doesn't know this.

[@silenceyouidiot]

​@@yanribeiro7108Theo actively hates consumers if they don't agree with him though so you don't have to give him charity. And I like Theo.

[@mrminecraftcubeable]

@@yanribeiro7108 if you don't care that's fine but calling those who do care basement dwellers who don't speak to women is lame, especially when you don't engage with the criticism

[@ingrowsmith5148]

Asmongold tier L farming going on here. Went outside, touched grass. Beautiful women in slutty leggings and big puffy jackets in fact do exist by the metric ton load. I have the biochemical and ontological evidence. Their faces DON'T look like an over-compressed jpegs filled with artifacts. And yes, alternatively pretty and sexy people do exist, as demonstrated by the worksmanship of Incase. In these games? They look like US Marines with their faces reconstructed after their 3rd tour in Afghanistan. I changed my opinion on Theo. Elden Ring is perfect, and he needs to get gud.

[@TobyLerone76]

So less attractive people can't be main characters? So insanely sad to argue about 😂😂😂😭😂😭😂😭😂😭😭😂😭😂

[@jacksimpson8529]

@@TobyLerone76 They can. The issue is that these less attractive MCs are being scanned in from significantly MORE attractive face models...and it's VERY selective as to which models they can scan in and which they can't, which makes their attempted defence "Oh no guys it's hard for them to do this okay?! Cut them some slack!" fall pretty flat. Debra Wilson's got it in her contract that her characters have to look like her. Cal Kestis resembles Cameron Monaghan just fine. Wukong scanned their ladies into the game no bother. Even this very game managed to scan in the Big Bad Sliro just fine, cause he looks an awful lot like Caolan Byrne. Why can't they do that with Humberly González for Kay as well?

[@awooga-gunga-israel]

@@TobyLerone76 there's a difference between a character being appealing and attractive. The characters mentioned (such as the protagonist of outlaws) are neither appealing or attractive and I'd say that is a problem especially in a game where you're going to see those characters in cutscenes.

[@Aralaas]

@@awooga-gunga-israel This one. This is the thing. Look at Overwatch, even the unsexy characters have an appeal. Roadhog is fat but he's "funny" fat. The fattie from Concord is "You have to respect my life choices" fat. When people make characters like Kay or SM2 MJ they focus on making them unsexy. The focus isn't on what they are, it's on what they aren't, like Bella Swan. That's just not a method conducive for making cool, interesting or otherwise appealing characters.

[@Zepher0987]

Didn't expect the Incase plug lmao. His art really improved after he fixed the sameface issue.

[@Grishnag85]

Wierd how they can make Male characters look like their face scan but somehow Kay gets a chin you can cut diamonds on

[@goufr3540]

She is not called Kay "Crimson Chin" Vess for nothing.

[@alexmaverick6647]

Yeah it’s really annoying that I can’t fuck video game characters

[@alexmaverick6647]

I’d love to see the scruffy double chin of the dude who commented this 😂

[@jacksobrooks]

​@@alexmaverick6647 beauty is objectively worth pursuing artistically.

[@Redyqar]

​@alexmaverick6647 Well if he was a character you would see it all good/bad. It just somehow female characters don't have all the good parts.

[@matthewcollins4773]

I joined one of Rags' streams just at the point where he was weaving randomly around banthas on his speeder, laughing as bandits crashed into them and exploded (leaving the banthas unharmed). What is it with riding animals being the ultimate tactical move in modern Star Wars? Horses bring down star destroyers, now this...

[@rogerborg]

* Rag's's

[@vileluca]

Cute animals appeal to girls. Their new target audience Boys don't play with spaceships anymore

[@captbuckyohare5585]

@@rogerborg This is anatomically correct.

[@Lucky13Ravens]

​@@rogerborg No he was right it Rags'. You don't add another s to words that end in s for ownership. You just apostrophe.

[@cristianrojas9684]

​@@vileluca Most girls dont like sci-fi nor fantasy. Boys do. The insistence on featuring female protags in fucking everything tells the boys that the IP itself is for girls, causing them to ignore it completely. Meaning they'll have no audience for any of this shit.

[@Gaizure]

I’m not running around with anything that says EFAP on it. I don’t want to explain to people that it’s “definitely not a porn site” every 5 seconds

[@christianhagberg5417]

Weak

[@epicdotpngnotfound8857]

I will wear it and clarify that it IS a porn site

[@dodojesus4529]

Especially when clicking on a vid ciuld lead to a rags tangent

[@FlynnMTaggart]

I bought a Dinor shirt from Drunken Peasents long ago. Worst decision in my life. I had people constantly asking if my kid drew it

[@Boromir2k1]

Trueeee

[@wyattfrye8262]

Theo is at it again. Telling people to touch grass when it’s the company actively making women uglier. Taking a 10/10 and turning them into a 3 on purpose. It’s very clear we have the technology to not make women ugly, by accident. The actress in God of war Ragnarok that played Fey in the dreams had the exact same face as she does in real life. The main character and the sith inquisitor from Jedi fallen order has the exact same face as they do in real life. So it’s obvious they are doing that on purpose. Oh and Rags I don’t feel the need to have sex with every women that acknowledges my presence. So yes I will not sleep with Aloy nor any of these actresses from these videos games. So don’t do the women thing of “oh you don’t want to sleep with me so you must be gay then”.

[@TobyLerone76]

A 3??? 😂😂😂😂😂 Insanely grassless - she just looks like a normal woman. Can't think of anything more less suited to a hostile video game world as a 10/10 model running round with blasters and shit lmaoooo

[@Tacti_cat]

EFAP and especially the guests as a whole have gotten out of touch. It's just hyperbole and spouting insults at anyone who has a differing opinion.

[@brandishaccount5439]

@@Tacti_cat So many of chat and folks consider Horizon 2 Aloy/Outlaws Protag Girl as ugly as Nikado Avocado, to me they look fine. I see that sentiment EVERYWHERE so I can understand how grating it gets. The protags being "literally ugly" could be hyperbolic but it seems more people unironically think they are low-tier in looks. Ironically Dev talks about how much discussion about Outlaws is centered around the looks of the protagonist (which is fine if not basic as hell and much like so many "newbie marvel girls") and yet most of the comments here is focused on the looks even though to me and many others think they are okay. I still can see yur gripes with Theo, though he didn't call EFAP chat grass-less gemlins, he started off saying folks in the Internet, a bit later he does refer to some of the chat 'were they to use hyperbolic statements repeatedly to the point it's hard to see them as hyperbolic and just unironic thoughts'. I still see it as a Theo problem but I kinda agree with him given how reductive and constant the complaints are brought up. Some say it is a much more nuanced discussion but that sadly gets overshadowed by people saying the protags are ugly trolls which confuses me. If it's any consolation, I still wish and hope the EFAP guys would tackle the discussion and look it with better faith by looking at better examples of the studio meddling of female characters compared to their actresses. And I also am curious what they will say if certain guests try to bring up the discussion, especially if they express it in the same manner as so many in chat/comments/sites. With that said this was a fun EFAP looking at all the failures of this game.

[@bad-people6510]

@@brandishaccount5439 Aloy is not the ugliest character in the world but saying she's gorgeous is just delusional. She is firmly below average.

[@jd2539]

Rags is gay, hence he doesn't understand heterosexuality.

[@TheVikingOfDisapproval]

While the word “ugly” might be hyperbolic, what’s being said is they’re making female characters less attractive than the models playing them. This is happening, noticeably, especially in western gaming. Where only attractive female models are “difficult” to capture correctly.

[@marcogenovesi8570]

it's not hyperbolic, Fable main character, Star Wars Outlaws, Spiderman 2's Mary Jane, and so on. All those characters are just ugly

[@kingvejita8827]

@@marcogenovesi8570 when i saw Jane i was ''no fwking way this is the Hey tiger chick from the old cartoons'' she was so fuk1ng hot and that was 90's animation, im still not sure if its her or miss Bellum or Sam from totally spies or Daphne or... u know what, there are to many hot redheads in old cartoons. While todays cartoons look and act like somebody's corn fetish its still the cartoons that i grew up with that look and are in fact more ''mature'' like they like to say.

[@crimsonpotemkin]

I'm not gonna sugarcoat it. It's because they're hiring feminist activists into all sorts of positions at game companies. You know, the sorts that go crazy at the mere mention of "the male gaze". It's either that or they're trying to blur the line between men and women. For reason that they've been very vocal about, let's say.

[@2xRainb0w]

@@crimsonpotemkinthey’re basically getting jobs for free and learning on the payroll these days cause publishers are getting paid to do it

[@Alkalion69]

​@@marcogenovesi8570 Mass Effect Andromeda

[@RutgerHaver]

Guys, please be understanding of Theo's perspective. He lives in Britain, where all women look like Kay Vess goblin creatures. It is situational disability of sorts!

[@Ron_Jambo_]

American "women" are fat blue haired freaks outside of Hollywood, what's your point ?

[@marcogenovesi8570]

for britain standards even fat Aloy is a 8/10

[@sparkypack]

haha.. 😂 even if you say you're serious, I'd still take it as a joke.

[@Ron_Jambo_]

@@RutgerHaver Amy Schumer and the cast of Ghostbusters 2016 are so gorgeous, I have to admit, americans "women" are so much better looking. 🤡

[@mrminecraftcubeable]

@@RutgerHaver both of them are an Arkansas 8

[@eleminatus]

People were not saying the character was ugly. People were saying she was uglier than the woman she was modeled after. And obviously so.

[@TheMasterpiecePD]

It is frustrating that these guys get so much right about what's wrong with media today but when it comes to more of the sensitive areas like uglification of female characters and anti-white character casting, they suddenly sound exactly like the people usually make fun of, like Theo with his "touch grass" comment. I don't think the Star Wars Outlaws girl is that ugly compared to Sony stuff personally but it's clear that there is a clear political reason behind them making characters look more like the activists and less like the models they're based on

[@JayMaverick]

Don't really have an opinion on whether or not the character is attractive. But the character design is just dreadful. Like a Temu version of Han Solo.

[@ManHamOrigins]

@@TheMasterpiecePD Would they still be saying “touch grass, incel” if someone like Drinker or Az were on the panel and said the same things chat were saying? I don’t think so

[@poké-ODIN]

​@@ManHamOrigins Bingo. Thats exactly right.

[@mattmark94]

@ManHamOrigins I stopped watching right after that comment. Room temperature IQ take.

[@yetanotherspuart3993]

Booo, no linkinPark, 2/10 stream

[@therealfakecaptain7978]

Listening to Linkin Park is Mooler's only joy in life.

[@superapm9620]

I was foretold of this top comment in the prophecy by Darth Unlisted the wise

[@yetanotherspuart3993]

@@therealfakecaptain7978 Yarp!

[@yetanotherspuart3993]

@@superapm9620 A very wise wizard indeed!!

[@councilofkarens729]

EFAP doesn't care about your 2/10. IGN will give it a 7/10 without even seeing it.

[@MrFallenone]

Today I learned that I can't rate any food below a 7 because ... there are thousands of foods made every day that consist of ingredients I don't like. Thus any food made of things I like cannot be rated below good.

[@frikabg]

the logic behind her arguments is out of this world... or is it the logic behind IGN's arguments? Probably both!

[@FxCalibur]

Its pretty easy to see that MJ, Aloy, Kay, and a myriad of other recent female game characters look way off from their IRL face models. It gets even easier when the developers admit that they do it on purpose.

[@GreyhawkTheAngry]

THIS.

[@MrFeelsGo0d-YT]

Did you see the fable trailer? Worst one yet

[@nickcockroach]

With MJ it's not even the fact that she looks nothing like her face model. She doesn't looks like HERSELF from the previous installment. Insomniac keeps ruining characters' appearances for no good reason -- from that awful Peter 'recast' to the illogical Miles suit in SM2.

[@Yosefhouser]

@@nickcockroachthe worst part about this is that MJ is supposed to be a model and actress in the comics and supposed to be smoking hot. There’s a reason she has the line where she says, “Face it Tiger, you hit the jackpot.” She is supposed to be way out of Peter’s league but obviously she loves him because he’s a charismatic hero. Changing her to be a generic girlboss is fucking lame and makes her no different than every female character in gaming now.

[@cristianrojas9684]

​@Yosefhouser Peter's a handsome dude though. He ain't supposed to be some average looking guy.

[@Lysvsyl]

Now, I'm a man who likes a woman who knows her way around a funnel cake, but let's not pretend the Aloy redesign is as conventionally attractive as the previous iteration. You can find her attractive (as do I) and still acknowledge that women in western games are designed to resemble what the majority considers less attractive these days.

[@jeronimo196]

"A small corner of the internet is only complaining about Key's appearance, when there is a lot more wrong with the game..." Those complaints started when there was only a cinematic trailer. And they are still valid now. If the journos can complain about Stellar Blade's "unrealistic" character design, I can bitch about games trying to "challenge the traditional standards of beauty".

[@marcogenovesi8570]

when game journos complain it's OK, when we do it it's not OK

[@ghoulsome9483]

"if the journos can complain about Stellar Blade's "unrealistic" character design, I can bitch about games trying to "challange the traditional standards of beauty" I don't know why you included this, it just makes your argument look worse... or maybe it's just highlighting that neither argument is very good

[@marcogenovesi8570]

@@ghoulsome9483 what's "not very good" in complaining that a fantasy character is "challanging the traditional standards of beauty". That's putting an agenda in the game, it's bad

[@ghoulsome9483]

@@marcogenovesi8570 my comment was talking about how OP was self sabotaging his own position, putting on the same baseline as a game journo's shitty comment. Regardless of how based and true y'alls point is or is not, OP's argument there was bad

[@azraelbokor247]

​@marcogenovesi8570 unless that agenda is something you agree with? Would you be fine if they tried to take your money by putting in more attractive women, to entice you into buying? Like older games did? When is shilling okay? Are strip clubs fine because u can see tits? They're just there to take ur money, and get paid. When exactly are companies supposed to make thing you prefer vs what someone else would?

[@lorecow88]

I'm noticing a pattern of the EFAP crew andmany guests having some rather interesting takes about the appearances of female characters. Which would fine, but they tend to be accompanied by some really wild strawmen arguments aimed at the audience. Aloy looks like she was stung by bees, Kay straight up looks like a goblin in certain scenes. Neither look anything like their face models. This is also a very consistent pattern across the western game industry.

[@valentinvozaf647]

Yeah dev and theo think they are "above the culture war" or whatever as if the uglyfication of female characters wasn't a big deal. They will just gaslight you and call you an incel for noticing real trends....

[@captbuckyohare5585]

That was weird but I think they were trying to point out, yes it's there, but it's a bit hyperbolic in terms of how people talk about the issue. Yes, they sometimes make women look like goblins, or fat them up, or do a Veilguard, and that's lame... but that's the least of these games problems. And in the case of Horizon, which I think is a good enough game, it's not really a problem. It's a really baffling creative choice, to make your MC less appealing to male gamers, but it doesn't fundamentally hurt the gameplay.

[@jamesavis1]

They definitely don't look like their actors but the point the cast made was that they are not *ugly*

[@mrshmuga9]

I kinda hate people using Aloy as a consistent example, because sure there’s a bit of a difference, but it’s not a stark difference like MJ or Kay or Female Ryder way back in Mass Effect Andromeda in 2017. Then there’s also retroactively changing characters like the custom character in Pokémon Go. And more recently Dragon Age Veilguard where the “max” breasts/butt size isn’t even the average for women. But otherwise I agree. Just think people should use more blatant examples. It’s like EFAP doesn’t want to give the people noticing a “win” for whatever reason. Even though it’s verifiably and observably true. Maybe they’re trying to distance themselves from being given the same “ist” labels that people get for pointing this out, but they’ve gotten that and much worse, so I can’t imagine that being the case. Seems like this sort of dissmissiveness/denialism happened around the Dead Space remake bathroom thing (and other changes). You can argue they’re “small and don’t matter”, but it’s still correct that they were changed, and for political/financial reasons if you look into the developers’ ideology and certain initiatives that every company is trying to cater to. Even the faces. Why do they have to reflect the current age of the voice actors? Why does Isaac have to look like his VA now? It’s not like The Simpson’s where you can clearly tell the difference in voice because it’s been 30 years. The remake was maybe 15 years after. A fair amount of time but not horrendous. Plus, the characters weren’t supposed to be in their 50’s, and the line passed around “he’s supposed to be a professional of his craft” is junk. You can be a pro (or at least quite knowledgeable) in your 30’s. Don’t know if they parroted that last line, I just remember it being an excuse.

[@2ndlegend125]

​@jamesavis1 sure they're not ugly. They're very pretty men.

[@Beard_Hood]

LucasFilm denied us 1313 and gave us this crap instead.

[@axiss5840]

LucasArts*

[@Beard_Hood]

@@axiss5840 thank you.

[@axiss5840]

@@Beard_Hood nws man we get what you meant 👍

[@1701EarlGrey]

you don't want modern Lucasfilm take on 1313

[@Beard_Hood]

@@1701EarlGrey oh god no! i dont! but it was significantly along the line of development before Disney got LF. It would have finished probably keeping most of its identity if they let it.

[@mattmark94]

Nobody complained about Aloy during the first game, people started doing that when they made her uglier on purpose in the sequel.

[@Jackallen88]

@@mattmark94 that's the smoking gun right there. When they just make a new character ugly they can hide behind the excuses "it's hard to program an accurate face in-game compared to the model!" With Aloy and Mary Jane being changed from game to game that is a conscientious choice to make the character model uglier. You already have the asset made, you are making more work for yourself to go back in and change it when moving to the next game. Why are you doing that? Well we know why (drunk Scottish accent) "THE MESSAGE!!!"

[@FxCalibur]

What was really funny about Aloy in the first game is that if you look at the concept art and the initial designs they were going to go for, she was actual much prettier, not a DOA girl but definitely a little more pronounced femininity. Her VA, forgot her name but she voiced Cassie Cage in MKX and MK11, was very vocal on toning down her design due to sexism and would later brag about it on then Twitter, and was very vocal on her involvement with the design decisions for the second game. All that said first game Aloy wasn't bad, you play the game for Robot Dinosaurs so you can overlook things, the second game Aloy was to awful to overlook.

[@matjaz5684]

Hfw aloy is not ugly bruh

[@Jackallen88]

@@matjaz5684 He is not saying she is ugly. He is saying they made Aloy uglier (meaning not as good looking) in the sequel.

[@kingvejita8827]

@@matjaz5684 ur right, she is disgusting and an insult to my eyes

[@rogerborg]

"It's super-duper-mega-illegal to to even try and buy a positive review, therefore it does not and can not happen." "Anyway, advertisers have offered to buy positive reviews from me. No, I didn't report them. Why do you ask?"

[@daviddiggens8841]

Let me guess... Dev said that ( it's a 9 hour video so I have no time to find it myself) Refusing to believe something is happening until the bureaucracy openly says it is happening and going out of his way to defend the powers that be but accidentally admitting he KNOWS such things are indeed happening but still argues in bad faith is exactly what he does. Although I could see rags pulling that too

[@bradenhagen7977]

See it wasn't buying. It was a gift. For like doing something you wouldnt have done on your own. Definitely wasn't paid. Or that's what the lawyer said to say.

[@ashblossomandjoyoussprung.9917]

A KZbinr I like was one of the ones that Ubisoft reached out to and gave a positive review of Outlaws. That was kind of crushing. I trusted him, and he did that.

[@Jackallen88]

Dev is annoying. To totally dismiss the uglifycation of female characters is so disingenuous. Humans are good at recognizing patterns and there are multiple incidents of this. Mary Jane - Spider Man 1 to 2 made uglier Aloy - game 1 to game 2 uglier Not sure if anyone remembers. Pokemon go, a game where you create your own characters had an update that essentially made everyone uglier. The gender ambiguity shite. Dragon Age 4. Ass and breast sliders. You can't make a busty thicc female character. So, sorry if you happen to be a female with large breasts and a large ass. But your body type is apparently "problematic" and you can't be represented.

[@Deniryer]

It's quite funny if you think about it that people who they're trying to represent cannot even be recreated in this type of character creators :x You can't make a boulder and you can't make a avarge (at least in the UK) African female with big both (or maybe all of them) sides of her body...

[@ChiefCrewin]

Oh, Bad Faith Dev has self destructed in the last few months. Always been annoying but definitely spiraled.

[@captbuckyohare5585]

To be fair... they also did weird stuff to Peter's character model in Spider-Man 2 and the PS5 upgrade for the first game. In Resident Evil 8, Chris Redfield was unrecognisable. It's more obvious and prevalent with women, but there's examples of male characters getting smooshed too. Thankfully, Abe from Abe's Odyssey remains unscathed.

[@2ndlegend125]

Devs a chaser, he likes masculine looking women.

[@mrshmuga9]

You can’t even make an _average_ woman in Veilguard, never mind anything extreme just to be goofy. Also, don’t forget Ryder from Mass Effect Andromeda. This change seems to have kickstarter around that time. Or at least, the earliest blatant example. That was 7 years ago. We”re encroaching on 10 years of this nonsense already.

[@joshuasmith6909]

I don’t think the group fully grasps the ugly-ifying women stuff. It’s not just that they’re way off-model, it’s that they’re changing existing characters to look uglier intentionally. They’re restricting character customization to limit attractive options. They’re dressing characters poorly. Because attractive characters are now considered “problematic.” The takes here were rather reductive for a real problem.

[@valentinvozaf647]

yes but something something you are an incel something something

[@axson8]

It's even worse, because I looked up all the voice cast to see if they match their in game characters and they are all pretty spot on, even the guy who voices Asara looks pretty close. It is specifically the main female character they uglified.

[@MannyNamiro]

No, you don't understand! It's not intentional, you're just a racist incel.

[@SW45auto]

They are actively avoiding the culture war aspect of things these days when it is glaringly obvious that it is a major factor in the shite that is entertainment these days....not the results so much as the focus going to it is taking away from making the game/script actually good

[@bilson7523]

​@@axson8 The devs talked about this in a preview interview with Kotaku/IGN. They wanted Vess to look "harsh," like a classic SW "rogue." I think this is why her nose has that slight kink, like it was broken and didn't heal right, why they made her jawline/chin exaggerated, and why her cheeks are flat. I still don't know why people think it's a conspiracy. Maybe they didn't intend on making her ugly, but Ubi seemed to indicate the goal was to make Vess more "grizzled" than the mo-cap actress.

[@BigUpsWingBoy4000]

This incestuous relationship that reviewers have with game devs is also why I unsubbed from Actman because of his Payday 3 video. Literally a mirror of Gmans Star Wars Outlaw vide

[@mccor002]

Actman went downhill fast.

[@hawk9mm]

Never mind his massive downfall with Az.

[@lukew6725]

​@@hawk9mmAz deserved that, he's a complete clown.

[@nhagan001]

Finally, a comment about the stupid uglification. Someone watched the rest of the video.

[@bilson7523]

ActMan is the kinda guy who picks hotel rooms based on the chairs in the bedroom.

[@patrickbliss9264]

Timestamps 0:00 No linkin Park/Joker 2 2:11 An Announcement/Cats Vs Dogs 12:30 Internet Problems 14:20 The Backstory of Star Wars: Outlaws 18:00 Faces/Rings of Power 21:00 Back on Track/A Doorbell/PC Requirements 27:26 Moriarty Fanart 29:13 Video: "Star Wars Outlaws Might Actually Be Pretty Good." by GmanLives 32:20 Star Wars: Battlefront/Not Looking Forward to Outlaws 34:48 Game Worlds Feeling Empty 48:49 Scanning People Into Video-games 54:00 Misremembering the Story/Rats 58:53 "Punch it" 1:02:10 "Best Possible Time Period"/Tatooine/A Joke 1:09:26 The Empire's Presence/Integrity/Booze-Free Pub. 1:20:26 Get Out of Jail Free Card/The Player's Inconsequential Choices 1:33:20 The Underworld 1:38:30 Back to the Video/Another Faction/Kay Vess/Inconsistent Gangs 1:48:33 Pointless Characters/Cameos 1:52:10 Obsolete Video/The Price of Integrity 1:59:20 Nix/Kay is an Unbelievable Gangster 2:14:40 Best Weapon, Alarms, Arrests & Soft-Locks 2:26:40 Objective Markers/Loading Screens 2:28:23 "Far Cry in Space"/Whistling 2:37:00 Exploration is Empty, Restrictive & Boring/MauLer's Experiment 3:16:17 Pretty/Extremely Passive NPCs/Dull Protagonist/Art/Linear Game 3:29:54 The Beads/Pretty (2) 3:38:44 Ubisoft Bias/U.I 3:47:50 Lore Breaks/Video/LOL Moment/Star Destroyer 3:56:40 Factions/Jabba 4:16:55 Gameplay/Lacking Analysis 5:36:09 Gman's Conclusion/Reading Issues/Acolyte Vs Outlaws 5:46:00 Moriarty's Theory/Gman's Pinned Disclaimer + Comments/Allow Negative Critiques 6:13:55 Articles 6:37:20 Plushies 6:38:08 2nd Video: "The truth about all the 7/10 game reviews." By Charalanahzard/Below 7 is Invalid 6:42:55 Gamers Take Reviews Too Seriously/Not Sexist/Expert Vs Some Guy/Scoring Difficultly 7:06:00 Outlaws as Your 1st Ubisoft Video-game/ 7:07:31 Point 2: 5/10 isn't Average/Complexity 8:11:50 Point 3: IGN isn't Bribing Critics 8:33:31 Excitement Vs Neutrality/Confirmation Bias/Video End 8:42:00 Wrapping Up/What's Next 8:43:20 Theo 8:45:29 Metal 8:49:19 Moriarty 8:51:55 Dev 8:54:47 Das 8:55:15 Plushies/Next on EFAP/Gif 9:00:27 Goodbye

[@yetanotherspuart3993]

@@patrickbliss9264 Blessed be you day by The Don be!

[@williamkelly5689]

Gayyyy

[@idanmuze]

Thanks!

[@AkhSeth]

Pretty good efap, besides Rags ranking Boogiefied Aloy as Arkansas 10, Theo calling probably majority EFAP chat as incels, whole cast ignoring/denying uglyfication of female characters in western made video games in general and guest appearance of certain leaf lolcow (which behaved much better here than usual in contrary as he does in other streams/platforms tbh) 7/10

[@ryanlazrine5345]

in this whole EFAP the most cringy thing said wasn't from the video it was from Theo and Rags not understanding the making the characters ugly argument.

[@berndberndsen5680]

I get the impression they didn't even try to understand it but immediately jumped on the opportunity to go 'Look at me I'm better than THOSE GUYS"

[@mattmark94]

@berndberndsen5680 they were virtue signaling like the average SJW.

[@hassathunter2464]

My theory is both are gay, and they look at these attractive men...

[@justsomelizardwithatophat.367]

@@hassathunter2464rags is bi by the way (personally don’t think Kay is ugly just weird how they changed from her model, her face goes uncanny several times thou and gives serious uncanny valley vibes.)

[@themanwithnoname1839]

Thats the problem, rags never bothers to consider he might be wrong, he is a pathetic narcissist who assumes he is always right and the rare few times hes admitted to being wrong it was only in the face of overwhelming evidence...... Other than that he will always assume he is right.....

[@XyTeRx]

I think the efap crew's problem with Uglification argument is that they see people like Syntheticman or Andypantsgaming championing these argument, and immediately dismiss it as bad or shallow criticism. They don't dig in to why gamers complain about uglification of women, and assume gamers who use this criticism believe that a game is bad because the women are ugly, when in truth gamers who use this criticism just use it as a signifier of other things. Compare for example face scans of Cal Kestis from Jedi survivor/fallen order with Kay Vess, and you'll notice how Cal has a near perfect scan while Kay has accentuated masculine features. you might say different studios, okay then compare Joseph Seed from Far cry 5 with Kay. older game and lower budget and still Joseph has near perfect face scan. Mind you this isn't isolated to ubisoft. The new fable game has a horrid female face scan. At the end of the day, uglified women in gaming is the same as female protagonist in movies. it's not really the problem, but just an omen of bad quality. Take for example the new animated LOTR series coming up, did the crew not become cautious when they heard the protagonist of the story is an unnamed female character?

[@silenceyouidiot]

Sure, if you use comparisons like Death Stranding or male scans they would more than likely agree but Rags and Theo just shut themselves out when you don't sugarcoat it.

[@mattmark94]

Nailed it, thing is... Az and Drinker also have the same opinion about ugly women in western games. Will the EFAP crew also dismiss them?

[@XyTeRx]

@@mattmark94 they'll have some quibble about it but ultimately no.

[@antagonizingprotagonist8721]

But it kinda is shallow criticism. When there is so much more to talk about, why bother with the attractiveness of the characters

[@therealdankclank]

@@antagonizingprotagonist8721 Rags can stick his head in the sand all he wishes but the pattern keeps repeating again and again. Somehow the men are rendered perfectly normal but it's the women who keep appearing like they're inbred? It's intentional.

[@apocryphicdeath]

Nah, I stand by my statement that Kay is the ugliest Star Wars character since Rose Tico. In both cases the character's facial bone structure isn't the problem: which appears to be all you guys are concerned with (while Aloy's redesign IS a facial structure problem). Both of their hairstyles are horrible, and both of their outfits are frumpy which *does* make the characters ugly. Characters aren't people. Artists creating OCs should be concerned with the character's figure, hairstyle, and outfit because *these* are the things that make characters iconic. *They* are the reason you can recognize Han, Luke, and Leia from their silhouettes alone. The designers made the characters look cool and unique and therefore when the IP gained popularity they became *iconic.* Outlaw's devs consciously chose to present their character this way and there is nothing wrong for calling it what it is: *ugly.* Had they given her a classic ponytail, some eyeshadow and lip-gloss, and put her in a colorful tight fitting outfit instead of bargain-bin clothes then gamers would be creaming instead of screaming about her. They didn't want to give fans what fans come to entertainment to get. Which has been the problem with SW this whole fing time.

[@samwallaceart288]

I thought Rose was best-friend hot for like 1 minute; and then her personality ruined it. Same with Brie Larson; gorgeous IRL but the _character_ is trash

[@kingvejita8827]

Based stand. ''it doesnt matter how characters look'' (Billion $£ Gatch Industry) U sure about that buddy ? for real its crazy how much money the gatcha industry makes and the way the chars play, LOOK and act are the big 3 reasons for that... its really not rocket surgery.

[@hassathunter2464]

@@kingvejita8827 Yeah, and the biggest part is... if the main industry provided, we wouldn't play Gacha. Yet here we are...

[@The_Punisher]

​@@samwallaceart288Remarkable Republican is that you?

[@samwallaceart288]

@@The_Punisher No I'm just using that beauty ranking where it's applicable.

[@zMangos_]

Give us the linkin park cut of the stream god damn it

[@ghostprojekt]

"EFAP 305 - The LP Cut" soon in theaters!

[@benfletcher8788]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/hKTaoX-ffdtpa6s&ab_channel=MauLer

[@spectral_force5097]

Hashtag release the linkin cut

[@josephjackson9679]

Never seen an upload less than a minute old. My tipples are truly twitted today.

[@CaptainFrankBlack]

That's part of the abuse

[@Ron_Jambo_]

"AND SHE TWISTED MY DICK AND MY BALLS AND TOLD ME SEX WAS DISGUTING !!! AND THAT ONLY DISGUSTING PEOPLE HAVE IT !!!!" 🗣️🔥🔥🔥

[@jamesavis1]

This still makes me chuckle

[@SacClass650]

The consternation around the attractiveness of the women is, it seems, about them being made less attractive, an articulation of a broader change in the depiction of women, feminity and body positivism; not that they are ugly per se.

[@ChiefCrewin]

Well, no, they're still extremely ugly if not goblin like. But I agree with your point on the rest.

[@SacClass650]

​@@ChiefCrewinThey are ugly, but it is the means of that end which is what people are sensitive to, is the point I tried to knuckle down.

[@mrshmuga9]

@@SacClass650Right, it’s not just “they’re ugly because they can’t design faces well”, they’re ugly because they CAN make them well (or scan faces), but actively choose to make them less appealing to avoid “the male gaze” or they’re insecure or appealing to certain standards for investor money. One is poor skill, the other is spitefully intentional.

[@2ndlegend125]

I wouldn't say they're conventionally ugly. They look like someone fucked up in a character creator.

[@sagacity1071]

It's also just failure of ubifilth to remember that "sex sells"

[@forsakenparadise6828]

Haven’t seen an efap chat this united in criticizing the hosts sense rags tried to sneak in the “avatar is actually terrible” take a few years back

[@mohamedbelkacem9889]

Boy, that was a shit take.

[@mandalorian1797]

I mean he's right about that though lol

[@bad-people6510]

Which Avatar are we talking about? Because Mauler didn't like Avatar the Last Airbender either, but at least he had understandable reasons.

[@ej7416]

The duality of man

[@hassathunter2464]

@@bad-people6510 Avatar the Last Airbender But Rag's used absolute shit takes, ie. he had none.

[@holy1to325]

I really love Theo's contributions to the show. I wish he didnt occasionally slip into the weird tough guy talk about how gamers who dont see things the way he does are just revolting incels who need to touch grass.

[@HerohammerStudios]

An extreme wildcard on the likeability scale lol

[@frikabg]

I've seen these 'men' who touch grass and from my experience... you ain't missing much! :D

[@robertaguirre3368]

If your worried about your female characters being ugly chances are you do need to touch some grass

[@johnellisbushbush]

But that’s his bit. You take that away, how will anyone get angry at him?

[@trajanthegreat2928]

@@johnellisbushbush It's his only joy in life.

[@Laxhoop]

I’m shocked that Rags of all people, who always looks at evidence for a thing before he comments on it (unless comedy), just refused to accept that companies are intentionally making their women characters look worse, and especially worse than the models they base them on. It doesn’t matter if you don’t think the in-game character is completely horrid or not, the fact of the matter is that they are absolutely doing that. Just because Synthetic Man said this, doesn’t mean it isn’t true.

[@-Azure.EXE-]

The game s--ting the bed because no faction likes you has to be the funniest thing about this failure. Whoever responsible has never played a game before.

[@commander392]

They are actively morphing the face models during development. Meanwhile if you look at eastern games they just have the face model unaltered.

[@RDV333]

Except of men - look at the Star Wars games by EA, the face scan of the red head main character is flawless.

[@Deniryer]

⁠Ubisoft used to be the same. Some of the characters from AC games (prior to reboot...) where gorgeous, for example in AC Unity. Now most of their recent games looks like graphically downgraded version with somehow (excluding Ray Tracing) requiring more horsepower to achieve :/

[@mrshmuga9]

@@RDV333The EA Star Wars games actually seem better (in terms of getting it right) than most Western AAA games. Namely Janina Gavankar in Battlefront 2. Tina Ivlev for the “Jedi” games, maybe. The blue skin kinda makes it hard to judge, they may have rounded her face more. I guess it depends if they wanted more creative liberties with her since she’s an alien, as opposed to Janina or Debra Wilson where it’s supposed to be obvious that it’s them. Although I don’t give them a point for Debra because she’s already ugly, lol.

[@TheBloopers30]

@@RDV333 Yup. Only knew that actor from one show that aired years ago and without research I Immediately knew it was him.

[@Darkington]

I think Eastern Devs actually just use the bodies and design faces afterwards. I know the main character of Stellar Blade had an original face design and they just copied over the body from the mocap actor.

[@hassathunter2464]

Rags: "Key Vess is hot" Me: Rags is super-duper gay confirmed

[@The_Punisher]

The actress definitely is they definitely made that poor woman ugly just to spite the players

[@mickvd4]

Rags is bi-sexual as a matter of fact.

[@hassathunter2464]

The Marvel Comics kind of "bi"

[@aakashsancheti9614]

What time code?

[@hassathunter2464]

@@aakashsancheti9614 Don't gonna watch the whole vid, look around the time they mention the issue.

[@Mr.Dinosalt]

Game Reviewers: "We dont give ratings smaller than 6/10" Why? "They are reserved for the games we don't write about"

[@zonefreakman]

Is there seriously a controversy on stream about attractiveness in gaming? Ugly is ugly, i dont care about your feelings.

[@valentinvozaf647]

but have you considered you need to touch grass ?? - theo

[@Reshyon]

Define ugly.

[@reactiondavant-garde3391]

@@Reshyon Goblins from Goblin Slayer came to mind when I saw Key Vess.

[@MoonlitMarch]

Have you considered that you are an incel and would be shaking if you saw an ugly woman on the street? - still Theo

[@Fortunate_Fennec]

​@@valentinvozaf647 common L for him and Dev

[@bad-people6510]

Sorry Rags, if 1 is the Crypt Keeper, 50 is perfectly average, and 100 is Aphrodite, Aloi is a solid 42. She is not attractive, much less "gorgeous."

[@The_Punisher]

Aloy's original design would be higher for me

[@mattmark94]

@The_Punisher I would give Aloy, as she looked in Zero Dawn, a solid 75.

[@metalburner357]

Without any authority, I declare Moriarty's new Bootie Birb avatar mandatory.😂

[@YT1300MF]

Rags calling Alloy ‘gorgeous’ makes me question his standards…

[@awooga-gunga-israel]

It's crazy that we now live in a world were people get shit on because they want good looking characters in video games.

[@JD-ld1xe]

"Touch some grass "- Theo With an Anime Girl Avatar When you sound exactly like Jim Sterling maybe have a little perspective on your opinion.

[@Aster_Logos]

​@@JD-ld1xe To be fair, touching grass every once in a while is a thing every gamer should do... especially Jim Sterling. Going out for a walk is good for you, or so I've heard.

[@justletthiswork5328]

kay vaas is an arkansas 8, cant go much higher than that

[@pyepye-io4vu]

Consequence of feminization of society. Women hate men looking at other women, because female intrasexual competition.

[@Edax_Royeaux]

It's crazy we live in a world where people are outraged over normal looking people in video games.

[@mccor002]

Dude literally praised the wind blowing affecting the environment. Bro, Ghost of Tsushima used that as a fundamental navigational component.

[@Levis_Manifesto]

Kay not ugly?! I guess dogs do have poor eyesight.

[@professormallard4348]

She isn't ugly though. Is she drop dead gorgeous? No. She looks like a normal woman with a bad hair cut. Just because she isn't gorgeous like the model is doesn't mean she's ugly. I think they should've used how the model looks cause, whew she do be a cutie, but taking the in game model as a separate person/model itself she looks very normal.

[@rogerborg]

@@professormallard4348 Normal for a transmission.

[@professormallard4348]

@@rogerborg okaaayyyy then. She looks like any average person you would see walking out in the city with a bad haircut. What would you cite as being the thing that makes her look like a man?

[@silverscorpio24]

Well, he likes the Rings of Power Season 1 Warg too.

[@Darkington]

I wouldn't call her ugly, but you can tell she was designed to be extremely androgenous. Beauty is definitely not what the designer was intending.

[@heikira438]

I love Moriarty losing it at the end with the shill Alanna. I didn't know Moriarty could get mad

[@nhagan001]

I also thought he only had laughter in his heart. Why did you do that to him Alanna?!

[@axson8]

I looked up the voice cast of Outlaws. I wanted to see if the voice actors matched their in-game characters on appearance. To the shock of no one, the cast look identical to their characters in game, hell, Asara looks like his voice actor but just with the head tentacles. However, there was one character who looked nothing like her in game character... take a guess who that was.

[@MoonlitMarch]

Was it Sneem?

[@mrshmuga9]

@@MoonlitMarchIt was Nix. Dee Bradley Baker is in fact, not a hairy axolotl.

[@mattmark94]

Schlurpo.

[@nhagan001]

Andy Serkis should sue for LotR and Planet of the Apes for uglifying his character. Josh Brolin is gonna be getting quite a check from Marvel as well for that.

[@TheScourg3nz]

I decided to have a look at the voice cast too, and there is a bunch that do not look identical to their in-game counterparts. Not talking about the aliens, of course.

[@BigsisterFTW]

49:00 Why are you guys trying to downplay and dismiss an obvious problem? We all know for a fact they are lying about the face tracing given the vast majority of males (including in fallen order) trace more 1:1 than females have because they EDIT the females faces to look more masculine, look into the developer's statements on why they changed Aloy's face in 2 after 1. Mary Jane, Aloy and this game's protagonist (I don't care to name her) are the cover image for the massive issues dragging down game development that YOU GUYS very accurately point out in this video. Why is this a hang up for all of you? Are you being so petty that you don't want give people like Vee, Sythetic ma'am, and ItsAGundam an obvious W? I guess we'll just all have to accept seeing nothing but big booba anime whamen in our games for the next 5 to 10 years since the West is looking at East for where all the money is going. Especially since Sony lost $400 million on Concord. P.S. Rags, either stop lying or get better standards dogo.

[@Ron_Jambo_]

When was the last time Dev said something of any value on EFAP exactly ? Why do they keep brining that wannabe lolcow on ? "Facial scans aredifficult to realize", erm, the 90s have called and want their archaïc technology back, Dev.

[@ShortFatOtaku]

i didn't say that, why do you just make stuff up bruh

[@GaigeGrosskreutzsMissingBicep]

Yeah the whole "they didn't make her ugly on purpose" thing was cringe. I mean, developers have OPENLY talked about fighting against "the male gaze" and "unrealistic beauty standards." They never seem to uglify the male models though...

[@Ron_Jambo_]

@@ShortFatOtaku But a'swer my first two questions please, apart from being a lolcow with stupid opinions, what do you bring to EFAP ? Oh and btw don't think people have forgotten you AGREEING WITH ANITA SARKEESIAN RECENTLY.

[@DENIS_Biomech]

​@@GaigeGrosskreutzsMissingBicep he is a breadtuber in disguise who loves nothing more than flirt with transgender women. Are you surprised by any of his opinions?

[@Ron_Jambo_]

@@GaigeGrosskreutzsMissingBicep To be fair , Dev clearly stand on they/them side and have openly talked about it. Plus of course an obese would try and join the side of "body positivity"instead of improving himself, that would require effort, ewww.

[@Groundash]

50:57 This right here is the moment where EFAP became Kotaku. Insult and make the worst assumptions about the people criticizing the thing. They are doing the exact thing they've criticized others for before: cherry picking the extreme worst examples they can come up with. Why are you talking to those people, if they even exist? Come back to the real world where normal people are talking about this. EFAP is supposed to be better than this. Rags and Theo once again demonstrating they can be as bad as some of the worst they cover on this podcast. It's especially funny hearing the "stumble over your words, no eye contact, basement gremlin" garbage from Theo, the guy with an unironic anime girl profile picture. Oh, sorry did that sound like a incorrect and irrelevant generalization? Hmm...

[@GaigeGrosskreutzsMissingBicep]

Yeah Theo really surprised me with that one. Not to mention, the girl from Horizon Zero Dawn 2 is objectively ugly. She looks like a butch lesbian truck driver. Maybe that's why bisexual Rags called her "gorgeous"? Not to mention, game developers OPENLY talk about fighting against "the male gaze." Its not a secret. And u can't look at Kay from Outlaws, and then the real life model, and tell me that they didn't uglify her on purpose.

[@Gojeto346]

What are you talking about lmfao they’ve been doing this strawman/steel man bullshit for a whiiiiiile now, it started heavy with HotD, or maybe that was the first time I really started to catch it but, yeah they don’t actually address real arguments, they just love to make the other side look extreme and then laugh about how stupid it is. It’s genuinely sad to see these guys go down that road instead of admitting something they like is bad; yanno just like they tell everyone else to do when bad movies come out and people defend them….

[@vileluca]

"Fuggin gorgeous" I guess Rags is into fat lesbians

[@ManHamOrigins]

If they were consistent, they’d also be insulting Gary, Az, or Drinker, who make these exact same criticisms against games. Oh well, just keep insulting your own audience and ignoring what they’re actually saying, see how it works out for you, efap.

[@TheRealJabbergeist]

A while back, Rags threw the same hissy fit about people not liking Jill Valentine's design in the RE remake. Same tune about basement neckbeard virgins. It's embarrassing to watch someone be so insecure about their own aesthetic standards that they have to attack anyone with different ones.

[@therealdankclank]

Why does Cal Kestis look one-to-one with his mocap actor but Kay Vess is the one with the discrepancy? Either it's incompetence or it's intentional.

[@2xRainb0w]

Clearly EA is hogging all the sexy scanners

[@TheFatalcrest]

😂 Ubisift either got a scanner from 2005, or someone is very unfortunate when making adjustment, or its on purpose. Or its all 3.

[@Neo2266.]

Well let's look at examples in this game. Srilo, the main antagonist, looks very close to his actor. It is intentional

[@Ir0n_Blimp]

Cere looks exactly like her VA and we have to see that same bug eyed face in every game she's in. Cause she's pre programmed ugly.

[@byanymemesnecessary8848]

Also the EA Jedi games have actually engaging combat and some challenging boss fights. Not perfect by any means but deserving of actually being above a 5/10 on the scale.

[@peterjansen5536]

The whole "Female faces are ugly" isn't about whether or not the end result would overall be considered attractive or not. That is a strawman of what is actually happening, The issue is they are seemingly deliberately (well, we know the reason, "muh male gaze") botching/altering the facial scans of real people that they are supposedly using for reference, when anybody with any knowledge of the industry can see that the "it's too hard" argument is complete BS. Plenty of studios have managed to make facial scans almost exact, and your quiet from MGSV is from a decade ago is an excellent example, and it's not just the eastern gaming industry that can replicate faces like that. The technology is there, and there's plenty of evidence to show that it's possible and relatively normal for a competant studio. Look at the Dead Space remake, Isaac Clarke is the spitting image of Gunner Wright, SuperMassive's entire library, (and for an eastern dev that's been doing this for ages) the RE team, which IIRC even modified some of their character modes but still managed to capture the likeness of the reference (such as with Ashley) and do far more justice to the people that their character models are based on. I know EFAP likes to be contrarian, but I know you guys know the context, so stop the excuses here. There is a trend, and it does match with the ideological motivations of a lot of agents in the industry, we're just waiting for them to outright say it.

[@tabull8180]

I would imagine that they agree that there is a trend. Discussing why there is a trend is something they don't want to discuss because it becomes speculative and subjective very fast. And ultimately how attractive Key Vess looks affects so miniscule amount on how bad SW_Outlaw is, especially when she is still clearly a woman and very decent woman even if worse than her real life counterpart. Its very rare that looks of any character affect the gaming experience of any game that much.

[@SoRePeSi]

I remember taking these mandatory mini courses back in high school and one of them had something to do with promotion and advertisement departments. I don't remember much about it, but I do remember them saying "you'd think in a scale of 1 to 10, the 'neutral' opinion is a 5, right? Wrong! It's actually a 7. To the industry, when you give a 7, that's neutral." And I spent the rest of that mini course thinking "what's the point of considering 7 the average when literally every layman thinks neutral is a 5 and will say 5 if they are neutral on the topic, and the layman is 99% of the population?"

[@councilofkarens729]

I can't wait to tell my future grandchildren "I was there when EFAP played Linkin Park" as they sit there in total awe. As EFAP manager, Jay should be kicked and cancelled.

[@jackchipper7458]

Broke my heart that there were no footages of outlaws just like you did with Gollum 😔

[@rogerborg]

Stars Wars Man is still struggling along with it.

[@marcogenovesi8570]

Release the MaulerCut

[@The_Punisher]

Rags really thinks Kay looks great and Aloy even after they intentionally made her fatter for no reason

[@Rounderyathecruel]

What are you on about? She looks the same just higher fidelity

[@thatnobodyguy1535]

@@Rounderyathecruel There are 3 lights. There have always been 3 lights. Even if there were 4 lights, would saying there are 3 be so bad? THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS!

[@SugarFreeGaming]

Released this right before im clocking into work, thanks for providing me the entertainment to get through the day

[@Crimsin19937]

The fact that they made a criminal centered game during the galactic Civil War era and the Zhann Consortium wasn't in it is a total failure!

[@arditienthusiast8384]

Glad someone remembers. Tyler Zahn is completely underrated.

[@Crimsin19937]

@arditienthusiast8384 Tiber* and yes! He's a great villan, but they'd just fuck him up so it's for the best they don't touch him.

[@jroggs85]

They're in the game, it's just a really short scene where they poke their head out of a cave.

[@JayMaverick]

It's funny how the efap crew comes up with more fun game mechanics and plot ideas than the actual game has within just minutes. Even from a dev perspective, most of their ideas would be very reasonable to implement. But that would require time and planning. And effort.

[@fieldmarshalbaltimore1329]

And caring*

[@ManHamOrigins]

But they still can’t be bothered to make the characters attractive, and still try to gaslight us into thinking we’re the ones with the problem

[@Wyzai]

8:25:18 "Why would they lie for money? They're desperate and poorly paid." is one hell of an argument.

[@Darkington]

Shame Rags for defending Far Cry. The Far Cry series has copy-pasted Far Cry 3 for almost a decade and done very little to evolve the games. They're a great example of Ubisoft's stagnation, regardless of how well they sell.

[@surobyk]

Far cry 5 is not the same as 3 and if you'd played them, you'd know. And still, fuck the Ubisoft

[@ManHamOrigins]

@@surobyk Far Cry 5 is great. The only big issue with it is the way it forces you into the next big story mission if you do too many side quests.

[@David_the_Psalmist]

You know what, that might be one of the few things Ubisoft's done right. Seriously, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

[@Darkington]

​@@surobyk Not the same, but every Far Cry game after 3 is a derivative of 3. If you wanna deny that, go for it.

[@mattmark94]

@surobyk the ending of that game is awful too

[@thekingofsorrianthum]

When I saw MauLer playing the eating minigame I thought to myself, wouldn't it be funny if when you failed the quick-time events it played an overly dramatic, overplayed cutscene of Kay and Nix dying from whatever food they were eating. For example, with the spicy one when you failed the drinking the water quick-time, Kay starts choking on the water and falls backwards off the bar stool and you just see the game-over screen plastered over her glazed-over eyes and frothing mouth while she's staring up at the ceiling. Or when you fail to remove Nix's tongue from the ice chunk, the chef robot cuts it off with his buzz knife in a failed attempt to save him and he starts bleeding out while Kay screams "Nix! Nix! No!" Imagine the hilarious variability you could have with that.

[@chudym210]

Turns out Reviews can be exchanged for goods and services too

[@JGGR89]

Jabba will save Kay! And then Kay will help Jabba from being strangled... Right?

[@nont18411]

Nah she didn’t. Truly an ungrateful twat.

[@boatcaptain6288]

I want to see a new cut of ROTJ where she jumps in heroically to save Jabba

[@dire213]

Clearly, face scanning is a bad idea and very hard to do. Surely, devil may cry 5 did a bad job, right. Give the indie dev ubisoft some slack.

[@Pangora2]

Only Japanese Devs have the technology. LA Noire was only made by praying across the ocean.

[@thatnobodyguy1535]

​@@Pangora2Apparently, the blessings from the Far East only fall on male character models like Cameron Monaghan & Sam Witwer. How sexist of them.

[@jacksonperez5615]

Were they really trying to gaslight us into thinking the downgraded female characters wasnt happening as they were showing pictures. Huh

[@MickJobless]

I think it's denial on efaps part

[@kingvejita8827]

it worked on a few, just look at how many people make excuses for them

[@YT1300MF]

Indeed, the EFAP crew is just doing their best to try to distance themselves from the culture war, but they look silly trying to deny that there isn’t an effort to “uglify” or tone down female (and only female) characters. Rags calling Aloy “gorgeous” made me lol

[@andrewmeyer3599]

​@@YT1300MF It says a lot that they didnt show Aloy from the first game to compare Theo was alsp pretty fuckin bad and made me cringe more than once at his "Go touch grass" comment

[@darkfire8008]

@@YT1300MF There's no need to tone down men though. Just look at Stellar Blade as an example, shit ton of ugly male NPC's, yet every single female has a figure only money could manage.

[@Kodfru2.0]

All studio released films are at least a 7/10 because we need to save the lower portion of the scale for people's home videos

[@Kainvverd]

Yet another piece of modern Star Wars media turns out to be terrible? Imagine my shock...

[@Gojeto346]

The best part about all the criticisms in the comments is that they won’t take any into consideration, because even tho they PREACH how studious should listen to fans, EFAP doesn’t care. We’re all stupid extremists who don’t have any valid opinions unless we agree with them. My respect has been waning since house of the dragon but it’s all but entirely drained now.

[@captbuckyohare5585]

Is this supposed to be a super meta ironic comment or did you do that by accident? EFAP panellists say what they authentically think, and are allowed to discuss the wider discourse. Having a little huffy puff because their opinion diverged from yours and straw-manning what they actually said into calling their own audience "extremists" is a weird goblin tactic. They're here to discuss and share, not say what they think you want to hear. That'd be pandering and disingenuous, which is exactly what none of us want.

[@QuantumRangerPower]

Nah, they might cherry pick the most ridiculous ones to shallowly address and insult on a later stream.

[@mattmark94]

@QuantumRangerPower that exactly wjat they will do. They will give us the SyntheticMan treatment xD

[@ManHamOrigins]

⁠@@QuantumRangerPower And if they do pick a top comment, they’ll just do what they did with the last of us tv show comments and pretend they have no clue what that person is talking about and laugh at them

[@Abysalss]

@@captbuckyohare5585ok but they’re also here to talk down to people who disagree with them even if that person has valid reasoning. It’s why I didn’t take them getting upset at keem calling chat peasants seriously because that’s very clearly always been how they view chat. That any dissenter is a moron

[@JayMaverick]

Gmanlives is such a shill. Never a bad thing to say about big studio games.

[@hawk9mm]

Yeah, he used to be pro consumer but over the past 2 years he's been making snide comments about chuds and stuff, also keeps bringing up Grumms but not by name so he doesn't get sued. After this review and the fallout that he pushed back against, saying he wasn't bought out I unsubbed from him, he's a joke much like angry joe.

[@thatnobodyguy1535]

​@@hawk9mmReally? Such a shame. I really liked Gman's retrospective reviews of older games. Kind of like mini game documentaries, bummer. Angry Joe became Tepid-Take progressive please don't hurt me Joe years ago.

[@GGHF]

The entire Alanah Pearce segment was so cathartic. It was unbelievable hearing Pearce say such ridiculous things, and no one in the crew let her get away with any of it.

[@rogerborg]

What a great panel, and also Theo and Dev showed up for some reason.

[@Pangora2]

Its like how you attach sandbags to a hot air balloon. If the stream ever drags you can kick them out for an instant and notable improvement.

[@86lanzo]

Rags missing the conversation around Aloy... Which is that her face model is beautiful in real life.. She looks less beautiful in Zero Dawn.. And even less attractive in forbidden west.. As they exaggerated her jaw line to be more masculine.. Its not just a case the character is ugly..weird seeing ppl who talk about being starw manned..strawman other ppl points..

[@jd2539]

Theo sounds like the kind of passive-aggressive man who would obsess over a woman, never speak to her because he'd go mute, and seethe when he learned someone else was dating her

[@tracey5745]

You sound like an incel

[@ffffdsd]

​@@tracey5745is Theo one then? He made similar remarks about the people complaining about Kay's appearance. If the act of insulting someone like that makes you an incel then apparently OP is correct

[@TheShadowOfHumanity]

Just gotta say after watching this y'all gotta touch grass.

[@ManHamOrigins]

I’m not surprised Rags finds female characters in modern games attractive. He does have the same Frankenstein jaw as them, after all.

[@marcogenovesi8570]

rags is a gae dog, that's why nobody in the group takes his opinions on human beauty seriously

[@Notarealchannelok]

I am kind of glad to see the difference that commentators talk about modern characters look fine But everyone else quite possibly talks about how they don't look good at all It is a bizarre difference The opinion of the masses vs the vocal few possibly So EFAP is wrong here is what I am saying

[@2ndlegend125]

He also likes men, so Kay looking like a pretty dude is probably a plus for him.

[@AfutureV]

What living in Arkansas does to a dog

[@reactiondavant-garde3391]

@@2ndlegend125 But she would look bad as a men as well. She look like an alien or a fantasy creature.

[@proto6948]

To me, no one has nailed the open world formula better than RGG with the Yakuza games. They aren't massive in size but theyre densely packed allowing you to get intimately familiar with the environment without getting bored. It has checklists of things to accomplish that contribute to the character's growth, fun minigames, side quests that keep you engaged, and more. Ive put nearly 60 hours into Infinite Wealth and im only just now getting to the end of the main story cause fucking around and grinding are so fun to me.

[@daman8492]

Oh, this guy. I'm pretty sure this guy said Starfield was good. I got Starfield because of a bunch of the recommendations from a bunch of reviewers saying it's good, and it ended up being so bad that I basically haven't played a game since. It was also a mass unsubscribe event since I felt like reviewers I trusted were so off the mark I couldn't trust them anymore. Starfield is like a 3/10 at best and I just haven't been able to get into video games since.

[@TheMasterpiecePD]

Don't get demotivated, rather be happy that your eyes are now more open than ever before. I went into The Force Awakens with excitement and it was so bad that my eyes have completely opened to how shit movies, games and tv shows have got since the early 2010s. There's still good games out there but generally, avoid triple A titles, they're not worth the trouble.

[@TheBloopers30]

Yeah Gmanlives have some good videos, but it's easy to see the bias when it's there. He did the same with Cyberpunk on launch.

[@daman8492]

@@TheBloopers30 forsenInsane GENERATING GOD SEED

[@daviddiggens8841]

​​​@@TheBloopers30that's the thing though. NEVER buy a AAA title on launch because invariably they'll be broken. Cyberpunk eventually became a pretty damn good game after all the bugs were worked out but it was impossible to tell when bugs broke the game day one. I wait at least 6 months that way I don't fall for the reviews and the bugs are fixed not to mention I save money. It's a win win for me You're right about the shills though

[@TheBloopers30]

@@daviddiggens8841 Agree. Not bought a AAA on launch in years and always wait a year or two for a sale and/or product has proven to be worth the price according to reviews. I understand the buggy launch situation of Cyberpunk and I think that you can see past it if the content in the game is good enough and if you truly believe that it will be fixed in the coming days/weeks/months(?). What I don't like is people hiding or playing down that particular situation as "not that bad" and "it's only the console version that is broken", both of these sentences are/was false and either ignorant, based in a world with zero standards or fanboyism. Gmanlives played down the situation while he wouldn't do the same if it was just a "normal" game without the hype and tribalism behind it.

[@richter6699]

Hilarious hearing some lispy dork talk about Vess and Aloy not being ugly, then immediately they bring up Quiet who makes both characters look terrible. "Ugly" isnt quite the word. Its more that they look like frumpy Walmart enployees. It's bizarre to have them as protagonists in an action adventure

[@bilson7523]

Yup, this is a great way of putting it. I am taking the "Frumpy Walmart Employee" term too. It's a good way of phrasing it.

[@Pangora2]

Apparently only the Japanese, years ago, had face capture technology. LA Noire? Doesn't exist.

[@thatnobodyguy1535]

I've seen more attractive women stocking shelves at Walmart, & working the McDonald's drive-thru this week.

[@cdubsb3831]

I remember when Quiet was considered butterfaced.

[@miketurner2095]

Aloy looks like nick avocado

[@mattmark94]

We now live in a work where Nick Avocado looks better than Aloy in Forbidden West.

[@MobbJacket88]

Oh boy, Mr. "To be fair" is here.

[@borkguy]

Dev?

[@marcogenovesi8570]

@@borkguy yes, him.

[@AfutureV]

Better to have someone trying to bring an outsider perspective or to steelman the video as opposed to the usual panel that already agrees with eachother and just take turns patting each other on the back.

[@Amphidex]

@@AfutureV You can do that without being disingenuous and intentionally misrepresenting/framing things. Like he did with the uglification problem in gaming. He completly left out the comparisons between the 1st game's alloy and 1st games MJ which is a huge point to prove that it's a thing happening.

[@marcogenovesi8570]

@@AfutureV Dev is controlled opposition at best, it's so easy to see through his arguments that it's just a token

[@Hirome_Satou]

I'm sorry, Dev just annoys me too much to watch this. Could only watch up to the point where the EFAP crew starts attacking the audience for their opinions on what is or isn't attractive.

[@professormallard4348]

More power to you I guess, but your loss as well.

[@Hirome_Satou]

@@professormallard4348 Why would it be a loss? I know what their opinion on the game is, I don't HAVE to sit through 9 hours of it while also having to suffer through watching someone I dislike strongly also give their opinions about it?

[@professormallard4348]

@@Hirome_Satou you're right, you don't have to. You'll just miss out on some quality memes and discussions, as you will when skipping any episode. I might find it silly to skip out because Dev is there and makes like 2 comments every half hour, but you're welcome to. Just gonna miss the gold in them there hills.

[@pezdispencer113]

One of the really fucked things about not being able to shoot from the speeders is that the trailer that they plastered all over youtube and twitch EXPLICITLY shows Kay shooting other vehicles while driving around. Its incredibly deceptive of them.

[@bradenhagen7977]

We going to need you to get all the way off our back about that

[@TeutonicKnight92]

So I don’t know if you guys remember it but the mercenaries games had a pretty good reputation system. Each factions had missions that pissed off the others culminating with actual making one of the factions your permanent enemy S. Korea/China in 1 and US and China in 2. As for speeder combat, in Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy you could lightsaber joust

[@richardlitter6956]

"They don't drop money bags on our desks and asks us to give good reviews. Even if they did, why would they ask for a 7?" 'Cuz a 10 would be an admission of guilt and would probably end IGN? How are Dustborn, Concord and Outlaws 7's? At least Dustborn is playable as far as I've heard. But compared to Wukong and Stellar Blade? They are leagues apart in quality yet only one point away from each other???? Edit: Even if we agree that they have different reviewers, that just speaks for the need to standardize the scoring. "This is what we expect from a game to get this score"

[@amoebasheep]

Reminds me of school bullies in 90s movies telling the nerd "hey, make my homework a C+ this time, the A's look suspicious". Apparently these people aren't even THAT smart (or are just far too naive).

[@VaporSulla]

Unless there are compelling narrative reasons to create unattractive characters, a game with attractive characters is objectively better than the same game with unattractive ones. I really don't understand why the EFAP gang (and this is not the first time) would just mock people who are finding some characters ugly and unappealing, it has the same energy of a group of high school dorks who are saying "We don't care how people looks, only the personality matters!" Sorry but no, looks matter a lot especially when you met a person the first time. Besides, you don't have a saying in what is a "normal face", by the very subjective nature of attractiveness the final saying is a provocatio ad populum that sets the bar of what is considered acceptable and what not. Of course, it's a fuzzy line that change depending on the time, location and culture you're living in in but I think that we can agree on the fact that what is considered "beautiful" here in the West is pretty much universally agreed by most of the people living in this planet. Ergo, if most of the people are complaing about how Kay Vess looks they're right and you're wrong. The *why* is actually another can of worm that a lot of channels here have already covered up and it's not needed to be repeated but is strong enough to make the decision of creating an objectively inferior product. I would have liked a more unbiased position instead of the usual "touch grass" (looking at you Theo) otherwise I'm going directly to Reddit or X and read the random comments of people with pronouns in their bio.

[@kingblue2632]

I assume that it is not the idea that people are complaining about this issue that made the EFAP crew say "touch grass" but the fact that people put so much weight on it. Sure it sucks that this is a thing that games are currently doing this but talking about the quality of the games is much more important. Things like the story, the game play, and performance are leagues more important than this issue and it is strange to see this many people getting riled up about. If the whole game is dying why focus in on the fact that you find the main character uglier than the actor? Also EFAP mainly focuses on the objective as opposed to the subjective. You said it yourself that attractiveness is pretty subjective. Thus talking about how pretty the main character is becomes entirely worthless when talking about the quality of the game. You say it makes an "objectively worse" despite also claiming attractiveness to be subjective. I will leave you with this hypothetical. Imagine that Star Wars Outlaws came out and had the same quality as Red Dead Redemption 2. Would you really call this version of Star Wars Outlaws an objectively worse game than RDR 2 because the main character is uglier than the actor who plays them?

[@captbuckyohare5585]

Exactly! I've been saying this for years! If Abe and all the other Mukodons were actually sexy frog monkey monsters those games would be objectively better experiences!

[@VaporSulla]

@@kingblue2632 To respond to your hypothetical: yes, of course, it would be an objectively worse game. I've also said that even being beauty entirely subjective to an individual level it's not at all at a cultural level: there's a reason why every morning you wash your face, apply cosmetics, trim your beard, etc. because even if unspoken and impossible to quantify there's a minimum standard of beauty that's demanded from people to be met and failing to do so would signal an unwell individual. When players from every part of the world are pointing and laughing at how western games are uglyfying women you can't just dismiss the thing as "touch grass" "I don't care" "looks normal to me" because it's clearly a factor that many people are taking in consideration and most of all, noticing.

[@VaporSulla]

@@captbuckyohare5585 Yes, it would.

[@FlyingwithFire]

they care about story more then anything

[@MyraTalisen]

56:15 - Also, is it an intergalactic heist if she's in just one galaxy?

[@surobyk]

Because inter=inside duh

[@木原篤郎-b4m]

​@@surobyk that would be "intra"

[@Cerbskies]

Rags used to them arkansas 8s to think the downy face of aloy is "gorgeous", same for kate or whatever her name is. Them being ugly isnt the problem, its the reason why they look like that. Thats what pisses people off. Back in the day a girls attractiveness wasnt tied to any political alignment. It is what it is.

[@SMEGToaster]

Blanket insulting your fans right after dropping new merch is an interesting off meta strategy.

[@doommaker4000]

Off meta? It's been very popular these days and very effective at losing companies money

[@ChiefCrewin]

​@@doommaker4000pretty sure they're talking about EFAP

[@reactiondavant-garde3391]

@@ChiefCrewin Same difference. EFAP is a regular show hosted by regular hosts and it is generate stable income as well. We can argue about semantic differences, but attacking fans after you try to sell MERCH is indeed peak modern company behaviour.

[@SwampGreen14]

The entirety of the merch has been funded, only 24hours after the original stream aired.

[@doommaker4000]

@@ChiefCrewin I know?

[@Avarn388]

I’d need to finish the last half of this episode but Alanna Pearce( I hope I got her name down right.) about IGN reviews legitimately got me angry. Her condescending attitude was annoying but her essentially putting down indie games while propping AAA is infuriating. Just because a piece of art doesn’t have mainstream backing shouldn’t be indicative of quality. Especially when some of those indie titles manage to nail down basic game mechanics when these AAA studios can’t seem to bother doing that well. And also as a developer myself, I feel the need to stick up for indie devs because making a game by yourself is a big endeavor. Judge them on the merits of the game. But don’t be such a d bag when trying to put down indie developers for the AAA industry. Some of my favorite games happen to be indie. Nine Sols I’m recently going through and that’s an indie studios. Really liking it.

[@thatnobodyguy1535]

Alanah Pearce. She's the absolute definition of a career long insider access shill. She's worked in gaming "journalism" since she was 19. She's bff's with Troy Baker & made sure everyone knew it. She was literally modelled & inserted into CyberPunk. Singing it's praises while receiving kickbacks like expensive merch before it's botched fraudulent release. She's backed almost every progressive "woke" movement in gaming. Even recently saying that the time constraints of having children as a gamer is a "disability" no joke. She even did the same female faces & bodies are too hard to model gaslighting defense. Ironically they shrunk her generous feminine "dimensions" in Cyberpunk. To add extra irony she was ushered into the gaming sphere because she was a real hot gamer girl. Way back years ago when attractive women were desired by the industry.

[@countD8852]

4:18:25~ Thank you Rags, This was something that I was complaining about in just about everybody's stream when I caught them. The aliens are all speaking English when they shouldn't have lips or tongue, and the squid ones have beaks, and the bat one wasn't speaking English but in everything else they spoke in bat-like squeaks but here it talks Huttese for some reason. It really, really bothered me.

[@reval1989]

That Allana video is the most illuminating thing I’ve seen in a while Confirms everything I suspected about the culture of entitled snobbery that permeates the gaming journalism industry

[@toastwriter617]

You’re wrong, she looks like rocky Dennis and Aloy looks like Nick avocado. Basement gremlin projection

[@The_Punisher]

Exactly Aloy was made fatter and Kay's character model looks nothing like her actress

[@mrshmuga9]

“No one knows about these games, therefore we don’t have to review them.” You’re a review site. You’re supposed to try a _variety_ of games to tell me _which_ ones to buy or avoid. All this tells me is your site is a trend-chaser that doesn’t care about finding the diamonds in the rough. And if you’re reviewing big games everyone is excited for, if it’s bad, how many people are you actually going to be able to deter? If everyone’s excited, they’re probably just gonna buy it regardless. So your review on them is ultimately worthless. And it’s even more worthless when said games automatically get a 5/10 for existing, where 6 is okay so that’s 4 of 5 ratings options that are positive, and if “reviewers opinions are the same as anyone else’s” then why read/watch your reviews in the first place? There’s no level of authority and you know they’ll be scored positively.

[@TheRedGauntlet]

Well EFAP went full tism in the "ugly" part of this. Apart from that, good efap because mah boy God Hand game was defended. God Hand deserves justice. SO i give this EFAP a 7/10

[@Shabanezloth]

I agree with Fringy, the Google Dinosaur game is the best video game ever made

[@samwallaceart288]

He's such a lad