EFAP Mini: Reacting to The Book of Boba Fett S01E06 - The Star Wars Variety Show

With the penultimate episode on the way, Lucasfilm treat us all to a wonderful Mandalorian cameo!
...and with only one episode to come, we are gifted with an Ashoka Tano cameo!
...and with just a single chapter on the way, they give us a cool Cobb Vanth cameo!
...and with the last show coming, they give us a fabulous Luke Skywalker cameo!
...and with the final instalment approaching, they give us a Grogu cameo!
...and with the only feature remaining before the finale, they give us a pretty dang swiggle swaggle bing bang awesome Cad Bane cameo!
I think there was a story in there?
Edited by MauLer and Fringy

[@Indigo_Gaming]

*EFAP:* _"This show is poorly written."_ *Boba Fett:* _"I grew up surrounded by poor writing..."_

[@onnixcarmichele3911]

“A week’s worth of poor writing for a month’s wages?!”

[@Atheismo9760]

He grew up surrounded by the greatest writing ever done.

[@deathsdoor07]

@@Atheismo9760 Maybe he is making a shot at the prequels since Boba was a kid at that time.

[@delta2372]

Atleast the prequels are better than any of the shit disney has given us.

[@Indigo_Gaming]

I still appreciate some of the worldbuilding aspects of the prequels, and I superficially loved Attack of the Clones when I was growing up and consumed the key-jangles of Jengo Fett, etc. But regardless of how bad Disney Star Wars has gotten, I don't think you can seriously say that the prequels were good/great movies.

[@mats1365]

The prequels: “the Jedi are flawed, and their flaws lead to the rise of darth Vader and emperor Palpatine” Luke in BoBF: “I’m gonna teach my students exactly what the Jedi order did”

[@mawrak]

no wonder he failed

[@Edax_Royeaux]

The Jedi were the guardians of peace and justice for over a thousand generations. It would make sense Luke wouldn't just toss away all that legacy. Clearly they were doing something right to have lasted so long.

[@moe5020]

Well no if Anakin had of listened to the Jedi teachings and wasn't attached to Padme then Palatine wouldn't have had any leverage over him and everything would have turned out fine. If you take away the Jedi's strict rules nothing would have changed in the end, whether or not their love was forbidden the emperor still would have been able to exploit it. The other bad argument is that Anakin's love for Padme only blinded him because the Jedi way made him super desperate for attachment, which might explain how a traditional Jedi turned bad but doesn't make any sense with Anakin because he completely disregarded those teachings and had been hooking up with Padme for years and on-top of that he is good friends with Obi-wan as well, so the idea that Anakin was this ball of pent-up sexual tension and anger is just stupid. The Jedi didn't contribute to his fall at all the only mistake they made was teaching him in the first place.

[@darken2417]

No, actually the flaw wasn't in the Jedi way it was in that they broke the Jedi way by training Anakin at too old an age. It was specifically not supposed to be done because it would be dangerous. Yes have Luke completely disagree with this since he also was too old and way older. But you don't have to make the force ghosts like it and you don't have to make it right even if it is more humane by our standards.

[@schwaaard]

@@darken2417 Never understood the Jedi logic on that score. “Too old to be trained”. The Force doesn’t just go away. The powers will manifest to some degree, and they can be developed just enough to be dangerous without training. (Particularly when the only training we ever hear is, “Feel the force flow through you”.) Not to mention that there is a dark side beckoning, and dark side users are more than happy to take abandoned or curious pupils under their nefarious wings. So the whole concept of shunning someone because it’s dangerous seems a bit broken; it would be at least as dangerous-if not more so-to add the sting of rejection to someone who knows they have some kind of power that can be developed. Yoda’s protest of Luke being too old in the OT came across as more of a weak excuse than a serious concern, and he quickly capitulates. It's either yet another way the Prequels failed to connect to the OT, or age wasn't actually that big of a deal. If Anakin's fall was largely because of his age, then I'm sure Yoda's protest about Luke would have been much more adamant and definite; the last thing he'd want is to risk creating another Vader. I can believe it's not ideal, just as it's not ideal to try and teach anyone a special skill too late in life; it's much harder to create new pathways as we age, and the competition has had years of development. Learning can be done (and sometimes late prodigies are found in several fields), but the temptation to take shortcuts would be greater. Wouldn't say it's preferable to leaving a highly-Force attuned individual with enough knowledge to make him dangerous, but not enough to know why. ...Life was simpler when it was just the OT...

[@TheCustodians]

How could EFAP possibly like Arcane but hate Mando? I mean, Arcane didn't even have Luke Skywalker in it. Mando has Luke, Ashoka, Black Chungus, Luke, N-1 starfighter, Luke, and even sometimes Boba Fett. And besides why are we even talking about this? Doctor Strange 2 comes out soon.

[@lochlanmerkel7144]

Obviously we should hope that Disney gets their hands on arcane, then they could put Luke and Mando in arcane because why not. It would make it a far better show

[@BlackMoridin]

@@lochlanmerkel7144 God please.... Don't give em any ideas!

[@redeemer66666]

The Mandalorian will suck until Season 3 when they finally introduce Tobey Maguire's Spider-Man.

[@nhagan001]

@@redeemer66666 He comes in and bitch slaps Mando and says "You'll get your Bounty Hunter back when you fix this damn door!"

[@Hollyclown]

YOU REMEMBER LUKE SKYWALKER?!

[@egor6849]

I like how the only two Jedi that are left are Luke, who didn’t let go of his emotions and attachments, despite his master’s advice, and won because of it, and Ashoka, who left the Jedi order because she didn’t agree with them. And despite all that they both stand there stonefaced and mysterious, talking about “Jedi ways” in “old wise man” tone. What the actual fuck, Disney?

[@ComradeCommissarYuri]

Jesus even in the EU Luke does’t make students not have attachments

[@vissermatt1058]

@@ComradeCommissarYuri one of his "disciples" is a chick who is married to an ghost/undercover agent, he leaves her tips on how to grow her force powers and thats it..... dear god the people who wrote the EU respected Star Was infinitely more then disney does

[@vissermatt1058]

@@ComradeCommissarYuri one of his "disciples" is a chick who is married to an ghost/undercover agent, he leaves her tips on how to grow her force powers and thats it..... dear god the people who wrote the EU respected Star Was infinitely more then disney does

[@culturalliberator9425]

"Boba Fet is a cold blooded killer," *Chuckling* Yeah, that's what I thought too. You have much to learn in this new world.

[@Arko777777]

I guess Cad Bane didn't watch Book of Man.. I mean Bobba Fett.

[@davidmendez3899]

Mando: “Baby Yoda, I forgot to give you your plot armor to explain how you survived Kylo!”

[@MrZackavelli]

Its not like it's established that Grogu survive

[@egomania2792]

@@MrZackavelli its established that Grogu survived Order 66. Nothing more.

[@user-pm7pw1tl3t]

You mean palpatine. Kylo only killed 3 students..

[@Rantsnrambles808]

Baby yoda leaving. Idk what everyone else thought yet but Luke was a weirdo and boring. “You can’t ever see your friend and armor is not the jedi way”

[@grinninggoblin3698]

@@user-pm7pw1tl3t when did they say that in the movie?

[@tsitzel4949]

Luke: Make a life altering choice you can’t take back small child. Grogu: Shits himself because he’s an infant.

[@bedroombunny9529]

Congratulations for posting the best comment on the internet.

[@Mister-Six]

Imagine this choice as a toddler: Choose this toy or this laptop. Choosing the laptop means I'll train you as a tech and have a guaranteed job. Choose the toy and you're on your own forever.

[@sparkypack]

Luke is a fool! Nothing changed.

[@sparkypack]

@@Mister-Six 6 year old me: takes toy because it looks funny 😆. Me now: 🤡

[@SangheiliSpecOp]

LMAO

[@gabrielduquevizfraga6238]

I just can't accept Luke being against emotional attachment. He's the one jedi that prooved this way of thinking the jedi help was completely flawed, overcame it and saved his father using his love and trust. How the hell did he forgot all that and went with the old jedi way to force a green baby to make a choice he has no idea how impactful it is to his future (be with Mando or being killed by Kylo Ren). I just can't anymore.

[@TheNoonish]

You would think that Luke would be mandating that all Jedi have children, since paternal affection was what redeemed his father.

[@gabrielduquevizfraga6238]

@@TheNoonish I wouldn't go that far, but he surely wouldn't reprimand feelings and attachments

[@darken2417]

I'd prefer if the way actually isn't flawed to make the Jedi a bit more gray. That to prevent the rise of the Sith you actually do have to be cultishly trained from youth and that training you otherwise is dangerous. That said I do think Luke would have moved away from this position thus ticking the force ghosts off. And maybe they could influence one of his students to make a breakaway sect. I can totally imagine a scenario a generation or two later where its Sith vs New Jedi vs Old Jedi.

[@schwaaard]

That wasn’t Luke. Looked (more/less) like Luke and kinda sounded like him…but nothing about the words he said or how he said them was in any way “Luke”. It’s interesting to see what he would have sounded like with absolutely garbage writing though. Makes me appreciate the OT even more.

[@Shockguey]

@@TheNoonish "Luke would be mandating that all Jedi have children" This will just result in Dadism vs MGTOW Jedis.

[@Shockguey]

"You're so much like your father" LOL he tried to kill his students too. It's like poetry, it rhymes.

[@tljsucks1166]

Plus lighting

[@Сайтамен]

Not exactly his students...

[@komrade2341]

The guy who had attachments to his friends and family all of his childhood, and still turns out to be one of the greatest jedi who ever lived, tells his student that he can't see his adoptive father ever again (probably the only person Grogu will ever have this strong connection to), because the old ways forbid this. Fuck off. Luke from the Legends was smart enough to understand that it was exactly that kind of bullshittery that destroyed old jedi order. Filoni's work was only downhill from the Clone Wars, he lost his touch when he tried to do a really childish cartoon.

[@VeteranDecanus86]

Interestingly, one tradition Luke adhered to in the OT was the construction of one's own lightsaber. He shouldn't be giving Grogu a lightsaber; he should be teaching him how to make one of his own. Everything about his depiction in this show is so backwards.

[@isiahalcindor6278]

Thank you someone said it the old jedi way is fuckin dumb an lead to their downfall luke especially luke would never do this to someone that's definitely Jake Skywalker

[@Seetor]

I really enjoyed the way legends treated this, where Luke figured out that it was Anakin's inner conflict between his feelings for Padme, his duty to the order and the feeling that he couldn't trust anyone to tell them about his conundrum, that drove him to the Dark Side. So Luke's response was to do away with the rules against Jedi relationships for his New Order. But I guess learning lessons isn't what you do in Disney Canon.

[@erykrejner2528]

Don't give in to the mouse doctrin. Don't ever again call it "Legends". Call it by it's true name "The real expanded universe"

[@Mesphisgrostoles]

It's also a betrayal of the final scene and shot of Return of the Jedi, where Luke returned to all the friends and family he had emotional attachments to. This can only be a few years after RotJ, do they seriously think we'll buy that Luke has suddenly spurned all familial attachment after proving the emperor wrong and saving the galaxy through the regeneration of the love between father and son? It's tone deaf to the extreme.

[@sophisticautistic5453]

Luke: *asks questions about Yoda to another one of Yoda's species* Ghost Yoda: Ask me, you could have. Many answers to your questions, I have.

[@samwallaceart288]

Yoda (to Grogu): "Patronizing, he's being. Must not stand for this shit."

[@davidmendez3899]

“all you aliens should act the same” - Luke

[@RanockIronfist]

If you ask me, the more they ignore the insanity that was force ghosts in the Star Wars Sequels, the better. Let's just all agree to not talk about it.

[@darken2417]

The force ghost stuff always was a wrench in the franchise. Like how there were no force ghosts that we see in the prequels or how they can't just pop up whenever to warn you of stuff. Best explanation I can think of is that it functions through the will of the force and so they can't just show up for any reason but even that is iffy. Or maybe it can only happen a certain amount of time after death or after you first force ghostify which explains why we never see Qui Gon. But of course Disney doesn't try to balance it out.

[@Arphemius]

@@darken2417 Qui-Gon was the first one in a long time to figure out how to become a force ghost and Yoda is the first one able to establish contact and learn how to do it himself. So that's why there are no force ghosts in the prequels. That's explained at the end of ROTS, I think.

[@sophisticautistic5453]

Fun fact: Disney made a comic where Yoda's lightsaber was destroyed. So Luke can't have Yoda's lightsaber at the end of this episode. DISNEY CONTRADICTING THEIR OWN CANON? Must be a day of the week that ends with Y!

[@TheWorldBelowDnD]

I read this and gave Disney the benefit of the doubt. I thought that maybe it was just a vague reference in a throwaway scene, or that there was stuff in it that was open to interpretation... From CBR: "Yoda's lightsaber specifically was highlighted just before it was thrown onto the pyre and burned to ashes. Vader himself noted that his master could have given him Yoda's saber, to form his own Sith lightsaber, but chose to destroy it." So like- *Oof.*

[@crazycanadian5592]

Damn you best me to it. Disney isn't happy destroying Lucas canon, they have to fuck up there own canon too. These writers are such jokes.

[@timewarpdrive77]

This is because during the restructuring of the hierarchy canon (post EU destruction) filoni put in a special slot of canon so he could destroy whatever he wanted... So technically, that comic has been made non-canon due to this... God, I miss the old EU where everything was on an even playing field and there was good stuff...

[@unpopularopinions7407]

I would never expect Luke to have Yoda’s lightsaber to begin with. Yoda loses it during his battle with Sheev, after which I would’ve assumed they’d find and destroy it anyway. I mean what, am I supposed to believe Sheev put it in a museum?

[@unpopularopinions7407]

@@TheWorldBelowDnD Did the writer of this comic forget that Yoda’s lightsaber would’ve been really tiny on Vader? lmao

[@unpopularopinions7407]

“If you choose the armor, you'll return to your friend, the Mandalorian. However, you will be giving in to attachment to those that you love and forsaking the way of the Jedi.” I’d like to say hearing Luke Skywalker say something so antithetical to his character is shocking to me, but at this point I don’t know why I’d expect any different. And to think people were celebrating the return of _”Real_ Luke”. Jake never left.

[@Max-kv1xm]

he's a prequel jedi now. ...Why do they make Jedi grey, but then take the actual morally grey characters like Boba, and make them heroic? Actually, I'm overthinking. Their actual thought process was probably more in the vein of: "JAKE STARWALKER APPEARS AND SAYS JEDI THING. BOOBA FUСК SHOOTS BAD GUY CAUSE HE'S AWESOME!!!"

[@AlphaAurora]

Jedi need to always suck. It used to be you needed to forsake the attachment to actually be commune with the Force properly. Now you can do whatever you want. There's literally no upside to being a Jedi.

[@Longshanks1690]

I don't think this is a fair reading, since it's not just attachment that's being discussed here but a commitment to one particular creed for life. Mando isn't just a friend of Grogu who can help him along his path, he represents an entirely different lifestyle and clan who not just have historically been the enemies of the Jedi, but require just as much commitment to their way of life, even non-children of the watch, as the Jedi do and Luke believes that he can only pursue one as their ideologies will necessarily come into conflict and every indication shows Grogu would choose the Mandalorians in that instance so it would be better to let him pursue one identity completely over pretending he can be both. Even in the old EU, Luke's new Jedi order had friends and families, absolutely, but they were still committed Jedi, they didn't have loyalties to other groups that might present conflicts of interest. It's not like being friends with Han and Leia, since it wasn't as if Han expected Luke to be a smuggler AND a Jedi, or Leia expected him to be a politician AND a Jedi, they all had different roles and supported each other in those endeavors because there was no conflict of interest in their friendship. But unless Mando swears off Grogu being a Mandalorian foundling and allows him to commit fully to being a Jedi, Luke doesn't at present see how he can reconcile those two life choices. If they have Luke spouting the pre-empire philosophy of the Jedi, denouncing attachment directly, in future episodes then what you say is true and they simply don't get it. But until then, while I definitely see where this take is coming from, I don't think it's fair to characterize it the same way as Luke's friendships.

[@Luke101]

He's fucking testing him.... he wants Grogu to choose the armor. Attachments are important to Luke... Leia and Han...Vader most of all. Luke's attachment is what saved him. Grogu will choose the armor and Luke will continue to train him anyway

[@unpopularopinions7407]

@@Longshanks1690 The ultimatum itself isn’t my issue; that makes total sense. Maybe I wasn’t clear enough. My issue is specifically that they choose to have him say “you’ll be giving into attachment and forsaking the Jedi way”. He didn’t have to say that part at all, but the writers evidently felt that was important to emphasize. Something like that just makes no sense to hear from Luke.

[@Right_Said_Brett]

Young Luke's voice is completely synthesized by an AI algorithm, based upon the recordings of Mark Hamill during the OT era. That's why the "performance" is so robotic and awful; they're literally just taking words and syllables from previous materials and stitching them together to form new sentences. It's a slightly higher tech version of that episode of South Park where after Isaac Hayes had left, they had Chef say loads of crazy things by stringing together words from previous seasons. So here, with Luke Skywalker in this episode (and his appearance in Mando season 2), you have a deepfake voice and a deepfake face and the resulting soulless abomination is... progress, I guess?

[@emuman09]

It was actually the actor they put Luke's face on doing the dialogue but I think they did tweak it some as well

[@Right_Said_Brett]

@@emuman09 According to Jon Favreau, the voice is completely synthesized using an application called Respeecher. I guess it's possible that they use the double's voice as a foundation to build on top of, in much the same way that a face is used to build a deepfake on top of, but it's still a synthesized, AI produced voice in the final show.

[@Сайтамен]

Mark Hamill is in credits though. He spoke through filter.

[@Right_Said_Brett]

@@Сайтамен They had Mark Hamill on set to use as a guide for the eventual deepfake in terms of his performance. You can see how they did things on the behind the scenes video for final episode of season 2 of The Mandalorian. The reason Mark Hamill is in the credits is because he was technically on set and the AI generated voice is technically his own, given that it's constructed from lines spoken by him decades previous. However, the actual finished product isn't Mark Hamill, neither in physicality nor performance. He didn't speak through a filter.

[@Right_Said_Brett]

@@emuman09 Not according to Jon Favreau and the crew at Lucasfilm themselves. Jon Favreau: “Something people didn’t realise is that his voice isn’t real. His voice, the young Luke Skywalker voice, is completely synthesised using an application called Respeecher.” Matthew Wood (Lucasfilm sound editor): "It's a neural network you feed information into and it learns. So I had archival material from Mark in that era. We had clean recorded ADR from the original films, a book on tape he'd done from those eras and then also Star Wars radio plays he had done back in that time. I was able to get clean recordings of that, feed it into the system, and they were able to slice it up and feed their neural network to learn this data."

[@rickylonghaul682]

I'm a truck driver in the US, and as such I occasionally wind up in incredibly desolate places. If someone just appeared out of the void and started walking up to me my mind would be on maximum alert. Like...ready to draw my pistol if need-be and probably walking back to my truck to get my pitbull if there's time. People don't just appear out of thin air... They came from somewhere, and wondering where exactly that is when there are no other buildings or vehicles around is the kind of thing that triggers a basic survival instinct as if you just found out you're possibly surrounded by predators but can only see one. This show just treats it as if appearing out of the void is a totally normal way to get around.

[@SwiftNimblefoot]

Even so, I guess Cobb thought it would not be polite to shoot the guy without hearing him out.

[@dozyproductionss]

No vehicle, coming from nowhere on a blistering hot planet. Yeah that was weird.

[@Ramsey276one]

Doggo likes truck trips? I didn’t know! :-P happy doggo

[@collingreen9517]

Fun fact, Cad Bane in this episode is 75 years old. Durros, the species Cad Bane is, have life spans equivalent to humans. This means the biggest threat the Pyke syndicate has to offer is a geriatric bounty hunter that was already defeated by Fennec Shand. I like Cad Bane but fucking hell Disney is never going to be able to use him well when they copy paste him 25 years later with no difference in appearance and are totally unwilling to let him kill anyone important. Let’s be honest Cad didn’t kill the sheriff, the whole reason they added the constable was so he could kill someone without killing anyone we like and he probably won’t kill everyone else because they’re either popular or diverse.

[@arkhamwarden1205]

Then they’re on even playing fields. Boba is also a geriatric who’ll be leading more than fighting. The difference is that Bane hasn’t stopped fighting in those 30-40 years since The Clone Wars, which means he’ll be far less rusty compared to Boba. So obviously he’ll win… right?

[@tamerthrone4133]

You’d think someone his age would of died of a heat stroke from walking that long, with no water or vehicle.

[@blue-vr8dd]

@@tamerthrone4133 he's an alien it's plausible

[@magnusbjrnli4363]

But if he killed the sheriff i’m going to give Disney some creds. I also believe the sheriff is not dead. Edit: creds not given

[@cryhavoc196]

Fennec defeated Cad? Was that like a comic or something

[@genelearnsenglish4242]

Boba is like a player who wants to get through the Evil route, but can't force himself to be rude to NPCs.

[@PanzerblitzRnR]

Relatable

[@SwiftNimblefoot]

Hehe, I have been there, I know what that is like.

[@lookbach]

Me trying to be evil in BGII... :/

[@jaworski105]

Lmao this is a fantastic comparison. We’ve all been there. 😂

[@stanleysmooth]

Makes me sympathize with him more now

[@trygveplaustrum4634]

"Hey, Jon, I don't think Boba Fett should be talking as much." "All right, I got you! We'll write Boba Fett out of the story!" "No, wait, that isn't what a meant-" *"BRING IN THE MANDALORIAN!"*

[@tophat2776]

Jon favreau being vindictive with the studio.

[@jaworski105]

😂😂😂😂

[@TrisStrudel]

Fun fact: Yoda’s lightsaber got melted-incinerated-by Papa Palpatine in the early empire years via comics that are part of the Disney Canon. So there’s another whomp whomp moment.

[@Pink.andahalf]

Dave Feloni only believes stuff he likes is canon.

[@sohbeck846]

Luke has been assassinated twice. The subtext of the OT was that love and attachment is what Luke used to save his father. Now he's telling a child to abandon his only friend.

[@lessalazar9068]

It's not the same thing. Grogu being with Mando presents an entirely different lifestyle, and his heart isn't in the Jedi training. He doesn't seem like he wants to be a Jedi. He's giving Grogu a choice.

[@sohbeck846]

@@lessalazar9068 You misunderstand, I am not making a comparison here. I am saying that Luke's journey in the OT, flat out is in opposition to the Jedi teachings about attachment. so for him to embrace the "no personal attachments" model, is assassination. To your point though, Grogu wasn't being offered to "go" with mando, he was being denied any relationship with mando at all. including just seeing each other. He was given an extreme binary to cut all connection with his only friend or reject the Jedi path. Luke rejected that binary in both empire and return of the Jedi.

[@NanashiSC2]

I was going to say I disagree. it was a more faithful Luke then TLJ at least. But I remember emperor saying you're faith in your friends is your weakness to Luke so you are right. The problem I think is they're trying to combine the prequels idea of the force and the OT's idea of the force.

[@Onezy05]

Not quite. The Jedi were right about abandoning attachment and prioritising compassion. Luke nearly struck down his father due to the attachment to his sister, but then compassion allowed him to spare his father

[@bigboss-sr1py]

@@Onezy05 so compassion's a good thing

[@sophisticautistic5453]

Live action Cad Bane looks like the alien from the "Destroy all Humans" remaster. Don't lie. He totally does and you see it too.

[@ViolenceJack]

Damn you I can't unsee it

[@Noonesbusiness]

I don’t watch Star Wars and that’s exactly what I thought when I saw this.

[@ianjohnson182]

He looks hideous

[@shawnlaufer1601]

YES WE DO.

[@jackcowden2651]

Haha Literally yes. Maybe it’s the lighting, but he looks sooo uncanny, cartoonish and out-of-place.

[@ssharp755]

Conor Hopper in the chat : "Get rid of attachment by choosing this weapon I kept because it belonged to my master" That perfectly epitomises to me the shallow idiocy of this show's writing.

[@DillsyYourDaddy67]

"Jedi aren't allowed to form attachments or have loved ones but we're gonna tell this guy who was basically your adoptive dad for a while where we're taking you in case he wants to visit sometime"

[@TheKpa11]

Social media: Just proves Luke’s fall into the cynical old man he is in the modern trilogy all the more reasonable, I don’t see the problem

[@moe5020]

Yeah you're right Luke should have just thrown this incredibly valuable relic off a cliff.

[@tljsucks1166]

@@moe5020 OMG I hope they do that in one of the movies!

[@TheCustodians]

I've cracked the code. The reason why everyone walks everywhere, no matter how comically far, is because this is actually a video game. People can just fast travel around. How else could Cob have gotten all the way to the middle of nowhere to stop that deal without anyone noticing him from miles out? That's a fast travel point. It's really quite genius when you think of it.

[@btn6]

The whole season has felt like a video game. We're about to get into the last episode, and Boba Fett is still doing sidequests to recruit factions into his misfit protag army that will inexplicably beat the superior antag army.

[@Courier_6]

Wrong. They have limited access to teleport player to (grid coordinates)

[@billsimms2511]

@@btn6 who has he re rioted at this point? Mando and the armored Wookie and the speeder bike kids? Is this remotely enough to challenge the enemy? I guess no one knows how big the opposition is though. I really don’t know how this world work in terms of factions and laws etc etc

[@Dragonage2ftw]

Unfunny.

[@btn6]

@@billsimms2511 The Pykes are, evidently, large enough to scare the Hutts off without a fight. It's ridiculous to imagine Boba putting together a force that could challenge something like that with only the resources he could scrounge on Tatooine.

[@magnushorus5670]

Thank you guys for calling out this insanely lazy, nostalgia bating horse shit, your comments are better than this shows actual dialogue

[@defeqel6537]

What I find sad is how well made the show is in every other way than story and dialogue, the production value is really high.

[@Luke101]

No Way Home was the same thing but they won’t admit it.

[@J__T]

4 things. First off, I'm sad that EFAP missed Mando not having his jetpack just so we could have a shot of him laying down on a bamboo bench. Yes, it's supposedly a safe planet, but in that scene and leading up to that scene, Mando wouldn't have known that. Actually, just thought of another problem with Mando's ship: where does he put his jetpack? Does he just wear it and press it against the seat behind him? 'Cause that would be terribly uncomfortable. Secondly, Cad Bane states that the fish syndicate hired him to prevent Cob's town from joining Boba by either paying them or threatening them. Terrible negotiations aside, Cad Bane definitely failed. He not only killed the deputy and shot the Marshall, but he then just left. I get that Cad Bane is supposedly this highly awesome guy, but the syndicate really should've hired someone a little more capable. Thirdly, Luke is just hypocritical in this last scene with Gooey's choice. If you choose the armor, you can't be a Jedi since you chose attachments. Meanwhile, LUKE goes against Yoda to rescue his friends thus choosing his attachments. Also, Ahsoka is just plain wrong. She states that Anakin fell due to his attachments, but Anakin fell due to his _fear_ of losing said attachments. As long as Gooey isn't dragged down by the idea of or actual death of his friend(s), then he can still be a Jedi, right LUKE? One last thing, Ahsoka tells Mando that he shouldn't see Gooey since his presence will hinder Gooey's progress or whatever, but, if my prehistoric memory of Clone Wars is correct, Plo Koon was the one that found little Ahsoka and her progress didn't seem hindered whenever they saw each other every once in a while. Or maybe it was considering how intelligent she is today though she wasn't any smarter back in youth from what I recall.

[@KGLordofhollows]

"She states that Anakin fell due to his attachments, but Anakin fell due to his fear of losing said attachments." So if Anakin didn't have any attachments, he wouldn't have fallen to the dark side...I love how you also forget the part where Luke, when he defied Yoda, faced Vader and almost got killed (which he would have been if Vader wasn't his father). Neither Yoda nor Luke are incorrect when saying that forming an attachment will lead you to the dark side. Also, Plo Koon didn't raise Ahsoka, he simply was the Jedi who brought her to the temple. And yes, they created a friendship over the years, but it's not like they were inseparable, their "bond" didn't interfere with her training. This episode had it's stupid moments. Luke should be saying that we have to able to control our feelings, not ignore them. To be able to separate ourselves from those we love when needed, instead of being unable to form attachments.

[@J__T]

@@KGLordofhollows Your comment confuses me. I can't tell if you agreed with me or not. But I do disagree with a few things you decided to mention: "Neither Yoda nor Luke are incorrect when saying that forming an attachment will lead you to the dark side." Yoda literally never says that. What he does say is that Anakin should be very careful since forming a very close attachment can lead to jealousy and greed thus the dark side. What Yoda says to Luke is that only a Jedi Knight with Force on his side be able to defeat Vader. If anything, it's Obi-wan who states to Luke that attachment leads to the dark side (despite Ben literally watching his greatest attachments die right in front of him and there was no dark side to be found there), but even if this was true, then we're forgetting context. Luke was willing to pause his training in order to save his friends from the second baddest guy in the galaxy, yet Gooey just wants to stay in touch with the guy who found and took care of him for a while. This choice was before the show's finale which Gooey should be out of the loop on. EFAP themselves were confused about why he couldn't visit. Pulling all these things together, we get Ahsoka being hypocritical since she and Plo Koon, the guy who found her and took care of her long enough that she later remembered him, have a similar relationship that Mando and Gooey have. Keep in mind that saying goodbye is always tough on toddlers which Gooey is one and it's not like Mando is going to stay long term or anything. And Luke being hypocritical since even insinuating that he broke contact with his attachments is obviously untrue from all the movies' dialogue and scenes. The choice in the end of this episode is just plain weird and only serves the purpose of establishing a Mandalorian season 3 despite this way ruining the ending to season 2--both shows suck, why am I pointing it out. What I'm mostly confused about your response is this first bit about "...if Anakin didn't have any attachments..." you immediately contradict this line of wonderment at the bottom, so I'll just say if he did then episode III would've been a lot different with Palps dying way back and the OT literally couldn't have happened since there would be no Vader or Luke or Leia and no Death Star or Empire. "I love how you also forget the part where Luke, when he defied Yoda, faced Vader and almost got killed (which he would have been if Vader wasn't his father)." I love how you also forgot all of _Return of the Jedi_ where Luke struggles with his attachments of both Leia and Vader (which makes this portrayal an even bigger hypocrite since it insinuates that Luke doesn't believe in his potential students--Luke's folly when lifting the X-wing).

[@speedylewder120]

Oh she was smart and they did see each alot in clone wars

[@NickMK]

"Everybody get inside" "Why, Marshal? Who is it?" "No idea, but he's got a hat and a trench coat, lock the doors and bar the windows"

[@Arko777777]

"And he came to this remote desert city on foot. He's clearly insane."

[@davidmendez3899]

a colored alien appears: “their goes the neighborhood”

[@JOSHSTER]

@@Arko777777 I can't believe that you are the only person I have seen mention this so far. Where the hell was he walking from?!

[@Arko777777]

@@JOSHSTER He teleported there just like Black Krrsantan teleported into Bobba's room.

[@TurboDonk]

@@Arko777777 Cad Bane: "Stop the speeder here. I'll walk the rest of the way." Mos Uber Driver: "You sure? A tough guy like you embarrassed about taking an uber in or somethin'?" Cad Bane: "It'll look cooler if I walk in on foot." Mos Uber Driver, snorting back laughter: "Whatever you say, pal. I think it'll make you look like a laser-brain, but what do I know?" *Cad Bane squints menacingly at the driver as the Mando recorder shriek plays*

[@bobwithab57]

My "favourite" part is probably when Fennec says they need foot soldiers. Mando doesn't even consider any other options, but immediately seems to think "There was this village I passed through eight episodes ago, where half the villagers died helping me kill a giant sandworm to defend their town. Surely the surviving inhabitants would love to abandon said village and become mercenaries in the city. I've got this." Wtf? Not only is it stupid, but it goes to show that this galaxy is only as big as the last season of Mando.

[@Longshanks1690]

I bust out laughing at that line because it’s so clinically retarded. You want to be a crime boss but step FUCKING ONE wasn’t getting grunts and foot soldiers? I genuinely couldn’t believe it, and had no idea how he was expecting to be in charge of anything with no one willing to work for him before this which is REALLY a strange concept since there were plenty of soldiers when Bib Fortuna was in charge so where did they go? I just cannot believe how poorly this story has been told. The idea of Boba Fett being a mob boss is such an awesomely cool idea, but you don’t even give him a mob to be in charge of? At some point, you have to wonder when it’s less incompetent writing, more they made it bad so the sea of cameos would look better by contrast.

[@redeemer66666]

@@Longshanks1690 You'd think the *CLONE* might have some ideas about where to source cheap expendable foot soldiers. I mean there's gotta be a shit ton of *CLONES* out of work right? They'd be old as fuck but wouldn't dying in battle be better than just rotting away? Besides this would be a win win situation for Disney as it would help keep those pesky overheads down. We all know this series had a budget comparable to most Bulgarian TV infomercials.

[@nobody2996]

@@redeemer66666 Well, technically all the clones are supposed to be dead from their accelerated aging by now, but somehow Rex is still gonna be kicking around for the Ahsoka show.

[@RanockIronfist]

You can tell that part was supposed to go another way. Mando was supposed to go across his exploits and pick up a cast of "greatest hits" to help Boba. Like Bill Burr and his crew, The female NOT Mandalorians, maybe the old Mandalorian brother and the smith. In addition to, maybe there is a village somewhere that has had a whole day of training, had a montage, and maybe repaired the AT-ST. A village full of reliable people, one who had a crush on Mando. Now why wouldn't they go to that village? Oh right, there was someone there who helped them. I think her name was ... Kara Dune. Now whatever happened to Kara Dune? I mean Disney didn't do anything with that actress did they? Wait a minute... Was this whole kicking Mando out of the order storyline and training Grogu story line supposed to be where he was picking up the "greatest hits", but a certain decision by Disney messed it up?

[@redeemer66666]

@@nobody2996 Fair enough. Haven't really kept up with Disney canon. Back in the EU days there was still a few kicking about. One of em was some badass Republic Commando.

[@tekkblade82]

I'm betting they have Grogu decide to leave Luke's training. They get their baby yoda back into Mandalorian because they don't think the show will be popular without him. They also don't have to worry about baby yoda being slaughtered at Luke's school or being a jedi completely ignored by the sequels.

[@mellowgeekstudio]

They specifically left a place for him in new Boba's ship and let annoying mechanic dump the exposition that she left the repair droid chamber empty due to Mando's history with droids.

[@tekkblade82]

@@mellowgeekstudio good catch on that supporting evidence.

[@mellowgeekstudio]

@@tekkblade82 thnx

[@happynihilist2573]

The fact that Look is making him chose is character assassination anyway

[@reecedignan8365]

Remember how Luke wanted to somewhat reform the Jedi as it was these types of lessons that ended up leading to Anakin turning to Vader. And remember the days of the Old Republic when Jedi wore actual combat armour to protect themselves from blasters and force powers and even lightsabers on the rare occasion. Welp, guess everything has to just follow the basic formula as long as it prints money

[@BobAFeet-fj6ri]

When I was 10 years old, a Boba Fett show was a wet dream of mine. Now I'd prefer if they'd let him rot in the Sarlacc. How can you make a show about a character with two different storylines that both go nowhere, turn him into a demented clown and then kick him out of his own show, filling it up with pointless cameos instead, and people still eat it up?! Apparently soulless CGI-Luke is enough to make everybody coom. SW was already dead, now they're just having their way with it's stinkin dead body.

[@callmeej8399]

At this point it’s just necrophilia

[@Rinksiderips]

It's funny how when they try to fix Luke they end up ruining him even more.

[@darkageshermit466]

Episodes I-III: The sterile rules of a sclerotic Jedi Order that mistakes repression for stoicism put the most powerful force user in generations, an emotionally stunted teenager, on the path to the Dark Side, eventually ensuring his and the Jedi’s fall when he’s forced to choose between the woman he loves and loyalty to the Order. Episodes IV-VI: Luke Skywalker understands that his love for his friends and family is the key to resist the Dark Side, redeem his father and defeat Space Satan. The Book of Boba Fett: “Hello infant alien, I’m Luke Skywalker and this is your first day of training: please choose between the only person you love and the Jedi.”

[@grimlord3181]

Jedi never taught repression.

[@an91138]

@@grimlord3181 They taught them from infancy to detach themselves from their emotions so they wouldn't be tempted by the dark side. The Jedi were literally forcing their students to repress their emotions.

[@grimlord3181]

@@an91138 Sure.

[@TitanicSwinTeam]

We have one episode left and we know nothing about the bad guys, barely anything for Boba, nothing for Fennec…but yay we got Cad Bane im shitting and pissing myself

[@wojak-sensei6424]

The day we'll get Dexter back with a green lightsaber, the nostalgia high would be complete.

[@salambard]

Literally cooming myshelf

[@Darkness1984]

You know the bad guys is you watched clone wars, you know, like a true Fan.

[@mandreotti8320]

@@Darkness1984 Settle down man, I like TCW too but I don’t like using the term “true fan”. There are plenty of Star Wars fans who haven’t seen the show.

[@schioppi7260]

@@Darkness1984 ah yes the"true fan" argument, get out of here with that weak ass argument.

[@collingreen9517]

Luke spends this entire episode force flexing on baby yoda, giving him veitnam flash backs, and spouting platitudes. Thank you Lucas film for rEsPeCtInG your foundational character.

[@BalrogUdun]

Underrated comment. They somehow turn him into a bigger dick than he was in the sequels.

[@TheKpa11]

Facetious sarcasm _But don’t you see? This is supposed to justify his fall in the modern trilogy. Look how irresponsible and dark he is in his training, and people say that it doesn’t make sense for Luke to age into an old, cynical man? He clearly is flawed, but that’s ok_

[@TheNoonish]

This was entirely necessary to further Boba Fett's plot.

[@Shockguey]

Also compare it to how Danny LaRusso trains Robby. kzbin.info/www/bejne/eqbYn6p6f7aMbLM There's a regiment, there's a skill, there's an end goal.

[@Darkness1984]

Actually he showed grogu what he can achieve when he trains himself in the force.

[@Atheismo9760]

"I want to remain mysterious." "OK. How about we stop putting you in the show?" "Yes. That would be quite mysterious."

[@mistermike4023]

Terribly mysterious...

[@SwiftNimblefoot]

It's a mystery why this is still his show. It could be called "Star Wars - Stories" for all he is doing in it.

[@selfimprovement5873]

At this point Mando is more mysterious than him

[@CrispyChaos38]

The part with Luke giving the choice is such character assassination. He’d never give such a tough choice let alone encourage the child to abandon personal attachments. Also god why would Boba Fett recruit random town people like this is mount and blade? Your telling me he couldn’t find any battle droids, tuskans, mercenaries, hell lesser gangs.

[@DummyWasting]

I loved the scene where Boba Fett buys butter from Shariz and sells it on Praven.

[@tomjames9681]

They’ll ask Luke how he got Yoda’s lightsaber and he’ll reply with, “A good question, for another time”.

[@erykrejner2528]

I was given the comic book that had the task of explaining it... Well long story short the comic sucked ass. Luke could not find it back on Bespin so he went on a quest to get a new one and managed to get half of a Jedi Temple Guard sightsaber staff. At the very end of the comic Anakins/Lukes lightasber is found by a random ugnaught. The end...

[@tomjames9681]

@@erykrejner2528 Thanks to Jar Jar Abrams for that one I guess.

[@TGOjohnnyY6492]

Thing is they kinda forgot hat Yoda's saber went on a pyre just after Episode III happened in the NEW canon comics...

[@TGOjohnnyY6492]

@@tomjames9681 These writers are lame and forced to post-fact make the diznoid "movies" make sence, sooooo what could go wrong right =D

[@MrTkillian]

"I got it on Coruscant." "Coruscant..um..that doesn't compute...wait uh...your continuity is shit."

[@BetterCallStan]

They could’ve done so much with Cad Bane. He could’ve been Boba’s nemesis, he could’ve been a representation of what Boba could become if he was too ruthless, but I doubt they’ll do that. They’ll have Cad be pissed that Boba shot him thirty years ago, then they’ll have another shootout and Cad will go out like a bitch. His story should’ve ended with TCW, but they could’ve at least done something interesting with him if they were gonna bring him back. But they won’t. I really hope they do, but I know they won’t. This is Disney we’re talking about. They know people will just lap this shit up, so why bother writing good stories?

[@AlphaAurora]

Cad Bane should be retired by now. But of course, Filoni never built anyone else up in this tiny universe, so we get Cad's old 70-year old carcass out.

[@BetterCallStan]

@@AlphaAurora a really old Cad could work, but it seems he hasn’t aged a day. I could forgive it if they did something good with him, but they won’t. They never do.

[@AlphaAurora]

@@BetterCallStan yeah that's the annoying bit. We couldve gotten better, larger and more developed stories. Instead all they do is a cameo that isn't really set up too well and the fans go nuts. The disappointment is over lost opportunities and key dangling.

[@SuperCaelum]

True. If they wanted to create this benevolent leader Boba, meeting Cad as a mirror, vengeful, brutal antagonist could've been a starting point for that arc.

[@dudeduderson4077]

Or they'll punch for a bit then be mates in the end.

[@ThefinalLPer]

“How did Baby Yoda escape the purge?” Do not worry my friends, that answer will be answered in Mando Season 3, when Baby Yoda returns to his bacta tank to heal from plot-related injuries.

[@Сайтамен]

You got that right.

[@isaackane4931]

I like how RLM"s famous, "I clapped! I clapped when I saw it!!" and "Just consume product and get excited for next product," were made in regards to the shill fandom and pandering coming from Disney Star Wars, yet they've gotten so much worse over the years. It doesn't matter where they poach from, so long as it's some kind of recognizable character you remember from the PT, OT, spin-off series whathaveyou. It's so blatant in the attempt to dangle keys in your face instead of use said characters to further actual stories. At this point, I'm crossing my fingers that we see Starkiller or the kid from Fallen Order show up. Fuck it, bring in KotOR characters while we're at it, fuck the timeline. I want to see how they manage to butcher a robot that's an endearing asshole and calls you a meatbag. (Then again, SWtoR kind of did that already by having him do fuck all before killing him.)

[@TGOjohnnyY6492]

fallen order is the same lame writing as these disnoid crap films and shows nothing to ruin there because it is already part of their stupid new canon written accordingly not as star wars but as generic af sci-fi with sw paintjob

[@sirpepeofhousekek6741]

Fuck the Revan book and SWTOR.

[@Сайтамен]

They already brought Darth Bane in Clone Wars.

[@bucketmanpalemin9603]

Grogru being trained actually made me cringe so hard. Luke isn't Luke, he's an asshole for no reason, then for some reason reverts to the Prequel Jedi mind set. I hate this, I hate this all

[@mr.barcode3186]

I've always found it funny that for several years people were saying Filoni would save Star Wars after the sequels, when in reality he openly loves TLJ and thinks Luke was perfectly written in it. Luke DeepFaker in this episode is clearly his attempt to set up Jake.

[@bucketmanpalemin9603]

@@mr.barcode3186 Filoni is a bad writer, he just knows how to flash fan service on screen to distract from his shitty writing. Kennedy Filoni, JJ and Rian are the four horsemen of the apocalypse for Star Wars

[@callmeej8399]

@@mr.barcode3186 people forget that Lucas was still directing the story for TCW’s Filoni’s always just been a right hand man and now he’s off the leash.

[@Stigma-ba115]

@Code Turtle That is literally nothing like the clone wars. Are you kidding me??

[@Longshanks1690]

As much as I gasped with consooming awe when I recognised the hat… I have to say, I *REALLY* don’t like this. It wasn’t just a better story, but it made SO much more sense when Boba killed Cad Bane at the end of the Clone Wars. Not only did it elevate him from being a bratty kid to an actual threat but it was an important moment in his development growing into someone who was worthy of taking up his father’s armour. Likewise, it very neatly explains why Boba is the greatest bounty hunter by ESB but Cad Bane is nowhere to be seen, because he’s dead. And Boba always having the dent in his helmet is a permanent reminder of who he had to kill to get that reputation in the first place. And sure, the show was cancelled before they could do this, I admit that’s not their fault, but there was a way they could have done it; Introduce the story over the Martez Sisters in S7. Think about it, both Ashoka and Boba were lost and alone, so it’s not unrealistic they could team up for a while and have a journey of self discovery that pushes Ashoka back to the Republic with Bo but leaves Boba as a bounty hunter. That could have solved all the problems there instantly. But while it’s awesome to see Cad Bane in live action, and the memes have been nothing short of incredible lmao… it does raise the question of how Boba got his reputation when Cad would suffer no one to be the best, how he got the dent and why he’s nowhere to be seen in the Imperial Era. It’s not bad writing that he’s still alive, per se, but I think there was a better story here tbh. Or hell, they could have the best of both worlds and bring Daniel Logan back for a series of flashbacks featuring Boba ending with Cad’s death. Just in general, seeing Boba’s past would be much more useful than whatever he’s been up to on Taatoine, would help establish his character changes much better at least. But like I said, it all stems from a lack of ambition and the fact that they didn’t care one bit about this character. The show’s awesome premise is just a vehicle for them to do what they really want with it. 🙄

[@deamongimli]

I generally agree that Bane being killed by Boba during his 'rise' would probably have been a better story, but you do need to remember that as you state they never actually followed through on that idea _and_ they went on to have Bane working for the Kaminoans in Bad Batch after the end of The Clone War (the actual war) which already at least muddles the chronology of that story. I do agree that having a teenage/young adult Boba (I don't recall how old he is supposed to be in ESB) duel (and most likely kill) Bane, receiving the dent on his helmet in the process would make a much better story though. Personally not sure if I would have liked it in TCWs purely because I don't like the idea of Cad Bane being taken out by a 14-or-so year old, even if that 14-or-so year old is Boba Fett. Edit: Oh, also Fennec shows up in Bad Batch and fights Bane a bit. Still not sure how I feel about that, but I just felt like pointing it out since its probably about to be slightly relevant. Then again knowing these writers, probably not.

[@picklepepper900]

@@deamongimli I think people need to get over their kid hating, there is nothing wrong with a teenager killing a villain, especially in a reasonable way such as shooting him with a gun. You are right though, they've made all these small attachment points, probably just to acknowledge the characters are still alive out doing things to preserve them for later exploitation. All of Disney Star Wars appears to have been unfortunately a massive waste of time, and perhaps even more unfortunately something that still made Disney plenty of money.

[@deamongimli]

@@picklepepper900 I'm actually pretty fine with kids being in shows/movies and possibly being important, I just don't quite like the idea that the best bounty hunter in the galaxy is bested by an adolescent Boba. If he was 17 or 18 then maybe, but I'm pretty sure he was like... 15 at most in The Clone Wars.

[@ubermorph1000]

Clone Wars is a terrible show

[@trevorfilis537]

Congratulations my lord. Your comment has been called out by the venerable EFAP crew.

[@PlakeFilmmaker]

So, Mark Hamill apparently didn't voice Luke, His lines were procedurally generated by an AI. As if you could be even more souless than it was.

[@kelpie1533]

Fake Luke (Fluke?) was simultaneously an incredible technical achievement and creepy as hell. His eyes and delivery were completely...dead

[@PaulSchlock]

Would it hurt to just get another similar looking actor?

[@ProxyDoug]

I hate this.

[@jaworski105]

@@kelpie1533 lmao this perfectly sums up my feelings during his appearances. I was like “oh sick! It’s Luke!””And then you get a decent look at him and you’re like “oooooooooh no”.

[@Ramsey276one]

S1M0NE Skywalker

[@justforlaugh1014]

Imagine you're Temura where you have been familiar with the franchise for 20 years with Attack of the Clones, Revenge of The Sith, dubbing special editions and with games such as Bounty Hunter, Republic Commando and every Battlefront game. Now you finally have another opportunity to don the mandalorian armour in live action to explore Boba's character and kick ass to embody Boba's reputation in universe as he had so little screen in OT. Now imagine your show with the character's name as the bloody title gets bloody sidelined by a mandalorian bounty Hunter and green snot with 2 seasons of development. A Jedi who should've been killed by Vader who has development in 7 seasons of TV and appears in 3 other seasons in Star Wars. And THE MAIN FUCKING CHARACTER of the OT who already had jist of his story told before character assassination. Pissed off is what I'd be

[@soyuzdavillan721]

Underrated comment

[@callmeej8399]

True I feel bad

[@soyuzdavillan721]

@@callmeej8399 yeah don't lol

[@Spink_Prime]

Rags makes probably the best point about Mando not seeing Grogu. Imagine if Grogu was told that Mando came to the planet, but didn't bother visiting Grogu in person. To me personally, I'd be asking a ton of questions like "why would he come this far to see me, then not see me?", "why even bother to give me something if you're not gonna give it to me in person?", "does he hate me?", "does he think i'm ugly?", "is he going to come back again?", "was he told not to come see me?" And then, all of this would set huge insecurities in my mind, which are the antithesis of Jedi training. Doubt, fear, resentment, desire, etc are all paths to the dark side. Good job, idiots.

[@jaqssmith1666]

i think the implications of the choice at the end clears that up, Rags has a habit of not properly using his brain.

[@gonotgentleman]

@@jaqssmith1666 It is also the occasional problem of the "pause and comment on every frame" format. Sometimes context is just around the corner.

[@tljsucks1166]

@@jaqssmith1666 You mean when Luke made baby Yoda choose between the light saber and mithril armor? How does forcing a literal 50 year old baby to make a life altering choice solve any of those problems?

[@buckwheatjackson1761]

That’s probably the contributing factor to Anakin falling to the Dark Side and becoming Darth Vader. He was shamed by the fact that Jedi weren’t allowed to form attachment, yet he was in love with Padme, which caused him to go to extreme lengths to protect both. In legends continuity, Luke allowed Jedi to form attachments and even get married, because he understood that his father suffered emotionally and that those emotions can lead to ruin, but can also lead to redemption, like how he redeemed Darth Vader. So… Why is Luke making the same mistake here?

[@slaapt]

If he chose the lightsaber, he wouldn't worry about why Mando disn't stop by to meet him? That seems like a weird assumption.

[@winslowfriday4987]

The whole point of a lightsaber, in traditional Jedi teaching, is that the padawan is supposed to construct their own. This rite of passage both allows them to express their individuality and demonstrate their mastery of the Force enough to be considered a Knight. He just gave a bazooka to a toddler that can't even competently pick up a frog. This is buffoonery of the highest order.

[@sophisticautistic5453]

BOOK OF BOBA FETT EPSIODE 6! Staring: Luke Skywalker, Grogu, Ashoka Tano and Mando With a surprise guest appearance from The Marshall and the bounty hunter from The Clone Wars! Also Boba Fett is there. But who cares about him at this point, am I right?

[@BetterCallStan]

I legit care about Cad more than Boba and he was only a recurring villain for a few episodes in a different show

[@chasewilson3693]

The book of Boba Fett with guest star Boba Fett

[@Wawublo]

That choice that Luke gives Grogu at the end is bloody ridiculous. The whole point of Luke Skywalker's version of the Jedi is that emotions and attachments are encouraged just as long as you're not, y'know, EVIL. Anyway, where's my bantha milk?

[@samzilla567]

Luke Skywalker & Ashoka: "Attachments are bad" Did you two forget that your love and attachment to Anakin helped you two survive so far?

[@corruptangel6793]

Ahsoka left the Order BECAUSE of their lack of attachment, because they gave up on her when she needed them most. And Luke damn near got into an argument with Obi-Wan in ROTJ because Obi-Wan told him he had to forsake his father for the good of the galaxy. Luke then went on to sacrifice himself for the CHANCE to save his father. I agree with Yoda's Order's veiws on attachment, but this is about character consistency and there is no freaking way Ahsoka and Luke would think that without some major arc to build it up.

[@zappodude7591]

@@corruptangel6793 I don't. The Jedi are supposed to be the protectors of the galaxy. If they're completely dispassionate toward the people of the galaxy, all they have to fight for is platitudes.

[@David_J.E.]

It feels like they're trying to push the lessons of the prequels forward; so Luke, despite the OT, is acting just like a dogmatic prequel Jedi. For.. what exactly, so that Rey can be the one to say: "Hey guys, *some* attachments are good actually" like EU Luke did?

[@DillsyYourDaddy67]

Also Like and Ashoka : Tell Mando where they're taking Grogu so he can visit him

[@corruptangel6793]

@@zappodude7591 Jedi allow and encourage feelings like compassion. They just don't allow attachments that put themselves and the galaxy at risk. Jedi fight for life and civilization, and through them, the Force. Attachments such as romance and family (depending on the family) All too easily distract from their duty and vastly increase their chances of ds corruption. With the Force, emotions and mental states are incredibly important because of it being a morality based magic system that's almost designed to drive the user insane. The Jedi don't allow Attachments for their own safety and the safety of everyone else.

[@chaddieladdie6312]

So why is Luke sticking to the whole "No attachments" thing for Grogu when his own attachments helped saved the galaxy?

[@johannbezuidenhout2976]

Because this is Disney's Jake Skywalker a bad CGI ripoff of Luke.

[@joshlin8002]

Or its a test. Can we not jump to conclusions before the choice has even happened?

[@purpledragon1945]

It has to be a fake out or they have completed forgone Luke's character

[@williamcronshaw5262]

@@joshlin8002 This aged well...

[@joshlin8002]

Ugh…I was trying to give them the benefit of the doubt. Cannot deny that was very bad writing.

[@rdennis1]

Luke: Learns from Yoda to avoid the desire for power when learning the to be a Jedi. Also Luke: Appeals to Grogu's immediate desires with frogs and misses a huge Dark Side red flag with Grogu destroying the training droid. Ashoka: Former master was rescued from the Dark Side by the man who's training Grogu. Also Ashoka: I let him train Grogu because that's his choice idk. Luke: Literally saved the galaxy through his attachment to his friends and his father. Also Luke: If Grogu sees Mando, he's not getting training anymore. Luke: Father was lead astray from the light because of the pressure to sever all attachments. Also Luke: You can only choose one. Go with Mando, or train with me. Luke: Taught to use the force for defense instead of for attack. Also Luke: Tempts Grogu with a lightsaber. How were these people able to assassinate the same character twice?

[@Luke101]

Grogu destroying the training ball is no different than Luke obliterating the Dark Trooper with force crush

[@rdennis1]

@@Luke101 You think I don't have a problem with that too?

[@Ramsey276one]

They invented CHARACTER SPAWN CAMPING! O_q

[@rdennis1]

@@Ramsey276one You. I like you.

[@AsherTheAwesomeONE]

The show is NOT expanding the Universe. Mando was a western themed show,...bounty hunter (Clint Eastwood - The man with no name). BOBA should have been a Crime themed show, crime boss (Scarface - lacky to crime boss). Giving it a different feel and experience would have refreshed the story telling, themes, the universe and the viewing pleasure of people tuning in. What do we learn of crimes or being in a syndicate? What crimes is Boba engaging in. Why do people pay him tribute? What does Boba actually do? What influence did the empire have on the syndicates and what influence do the rebellion now have on the crime families? Why in (apparently YEARS) do the Hutts come to claim the palace from boba, when Bid F had it for years, and why didn't the Pikes just take it over from Bid F? Were they previously in a gang war with the pikes on other planets that were more pressing? No answer for you, you get a Lame duck Wookie and a giant pet doggie with emotional problems.. BYE! How is dropping a bunch of characters into a show expand the universe? Is that expanding the universe or simply filling it up? If this show/Crime Family was a business. Show me how the business works. What's your product? What are you manufacturing? Why do people need it? Who's your competition? How does the machinery work in said business? Who do people get those services or product? THEN you fill up the building with workers (characters). This show is an empty factory (no machines, product) with a sign out front saying, "Crime Boss" and people just shoved inside to fill it up doing nothing but taking up space. Simply proclaiming "I'm a crime boss!" and showing no crimes or explaining how things work is not expanding the universe. Instead of explaining,..... HERES ASHOKA! HERES LUKE! MANDO etc etc etc. Quick throw them into the show! Rogue One, Solo and the Mandalorian Has more teeth, then a show about Crime Bosses. They did Boba Dirty in this show. He's more "badass" in the Mando show, then in his own show. Mando S2 set up Boba Murdering and taking the throne...then the show he proclaims "I shall rule with respect, not fear!" The end stinger in Mando and what we got, was a bait and switch. I wonder how people would have felt, if Boba just politely asked Bin F to nicely climb down the chair..... Hmmmm something to think about... kzbin.info/www/bejne/sJ20dnR-apuKoJI "In Canon, ...unless they retcon that too" Disney is turning Star Wars into Star Trek Discovery or Star Trek Picard. It started with the sequels. We are now on the path of throwing anything on the screen as fast as we can, and damn story telling. Filling in a story for Disney Star Wars, "Maybe this happened" is just doing the job of the writers for them. that's Sad. kzbin.info/www/bejne/qX3SdaaPop2Mf7M

[@schwaaard]

A Scarface-esq show set in SW universe would be a nice approach, but Boba isn’t the guy to do it. He was okay in Mandalorian, but they put him on a really bad path; the more I saw of him, the more I shook my head ruefully. I think they could have done Boba as the more ruthless version of Mando, showing two approaches to the trade without either being too “good” or “evil”. Boba wouldn’t have spared Grogu; business first, no questions. Less compassionate, more efficient. And though he’d be older and a little less physically able, I think Boba would be far more resourceful and adept. Could explore the tradecraft of bounty hunting, having him mix it up with rival hunters, Empire remnants, etc.., Lots of ways to go that wouldn’t be a Mando retread, but instead they shoehorned him into Tatooine and made him a crotchety husk. More’s the pity.

[@Darkness1984]

Actually it started with the prequels

[@ddstar]

you said that in so many videos

[@detrik01]

We could have had a bounty hunting show across Nal Hutta, Corellia, and countless exotic planets each with their own history and feel to it. Instead we get fucking Tatooine

[@sparkypack]

And there is more ahead with Kenobi, Andor and Ashoka show. They will all follow the same formula like Mando and Boba and it's pathetic. All is just hinging on the name StarWars and the characters. Story and good writing doesn't matter, because people eat it up anyway.

[@Zzzlol94]

Luke: *gives two very distinctive and important choices to Grogu* Grogu: *wants to eat frogs*

[@MichChats]

This episode could have easily been two hours, there is so much that could have been covered such as; Ahsoka and Jake should have so much to talk about. Ahsoka being trained by the old jedi alongside Jakes father and Ben Kenobi, then doing her own thing in the clone wars ( dont know didn't watch it apparently she leaves the jedi because she doesn't agree with them or something). Mando could literally ask to be trained in edgesaber fighting, hell he could join the jedi faction since he's no longer a mandalorian anyway and it's not like he knew anything about his factions history or lore anyway, it was all dumped on him by blacksmith lady. Grogu is somehow 50 but also a baby, he was at the jedi temple and knows how to force heal and somehow Jake doesn't use this powerful ability to save himself in The Last Jedi. Jake fucking Soywalker straight up saying attachment bad as if he's a jedi of old but it was his attachment to his friends and family that in the end saved the galaxy. His training of Grogu is bizarre from running around the woods with him in a backpack to then shooting lazers at him and showing of lightsaber moves? Whats that about, where was that in Empire. No actual teaching of any kind just action stuff. Remember how Yoda would talk about the force and what it meant to be a jedi well fuck that, too boring got to spice it up. Grogu just getting handed a light saber, isn't creating a lightsaber usually the final stage in jedi training? So why is Grogu being handed one at the start of his training outside of nostalgia and key jangling? Also since Grogu could live to 900 what's stopping him from chilling with Din for the rest of Dins life and picking up jedi training after. Ye sure there is the 'too old' argument that loves to get ignored in star wars but he's 50 anyway. According to some timeline I found Episode 3 is set 19 years before Yavin and Mando is set 9 years after, so Grogu is 22 at the time of order 66. Anakin at age 10 is too old but Grogu being a 22 year old baby in diapers is somehow fine. This episode was such utter garbage and we still don't know anything about the actual crime situation the faction involved the whole show should have never been made. But that's just my subjective opinion.

[@Onmur]

If Grogu takes too long to choose, Luke will spin him like a top, with the force, and whichever way Grogu falls is his choice. If he doesn't fall towards either of the objects, repeat.

[@tylercoon1791]

Luke: *Looks at Mando* Whoever can punt the child farther, gets to keep him

[@Ramsey276one]

@@tylercoon1791 Grogu: [thumbs up at Mando and BRACES FOR IMPACT] Luke: [visible confusion]

[@Smj1303]

Soulless Luke with his dead eyes is the epitome of Disney Star Wars.

[@LN997-i8x]

And his equally soulless computer-generated voice.

[@Darkness1984]

You mean the prequels.

[@Smj1303]

@@Darkness1984 no, I mean what I said

[@Ramsey276one]

S1M0NE Skywalker

[@blacklivesorblackvotes2985]

@@Darkness1984Nope, Disney Star Wars. Cry more Disney shill.

[@bobwithab57]

Of all the cameos, Boba's was the briefest. How ironic.

[@Dan-vg2gg]

I feel like they REALLY just skipped over Luke and Ahsoka meeting. Anakin’s former padawan, who lost faith in the jedi and left the order, and Anakin’s son, who never knew the order and is trying to rebuild it. Easily at least a film there on its own.

[@Longshanks1690]

I was really pissed off when she turned up and was already friendly with her. Their meeting should be a moment of huge importance to the SW universe but they don’t even give it the time of day? I always pictured Ashoka breaking down when Luke tells her that Anakin was still there in the end, but I guess we’re never going to see it, because the appropriate place to put it would have been the Ashoka series, because fuck us, I guess.

[@williamcronshaw5262]

@@Longshanks1690 It creates another problem too, if Ahsoka and Luke didn't just meet than she knew about him back during Mando Season 2. So doesn't that make every episode following her's pointless since she could have just sent Mando and Baby Yoda right to Luke?

[@Сайтамен]

@@Longshanks1690 Well, half of this season were flashbacks, so maybe Ahsoka show will be too.

[@petriew2018]

at least now we know how Ahsoka dies if she's part of Luke's school, right?

[@lordvarrax5060]

Question: has anyone else noticed that whoever is writing the script doesn’t seem to have English as their first language? I’m having trouble remembering every instance (I know there were several), but one is where Boba is asking for the other crime bosses not to backstab him and one says “I abide” in this grave, serious tone. You abide? What? That isn’t how you use that word, you moron. You could say “I will abide by this arrangement” or “I will abide this decision”, but you can’t just say “I abide”, it’s not a complete thought! I know it seems minor but noticing that really drove home to me how badly the dialogue is written. They can’t even write an English sentence properly.

[@btn6]

At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if this is just prepping the ground for a crime boss named The Dude.

[@thekunninglinguist2397]

The Dude abides

[@Edax_Royeaux]

The Dude abides -shrug-

[@Willowy13]

Maybe they outsourced the written to v-ruscountry. Disney loves it there.

[@schwaaard]

This is the way.

[@wisecrackingcat6329]

"You are such much like your father. He slaughtered Baby Jedi- and now you are torturing them..." smiles an evil grin.

[@bigguy679]

The worst part about the Lightsaber vs Mando Chainmail choice is that a padwan Jedi must create their own Lightsaber after their Force powers have progressed enough. So if Luke wants to return the Jedi order, he has failed at the very start with his first Padwan, how difficult can it be to remember that?

[@kusakabe3264]

"i see you have crafted yourself a new light saber. your training is complete." literally the first words of encouragement from his father and he never took it to heart.

[@defeqel6537]

@@kusakabe3264 hmm.. I guess the first such words would have been "impressive"

[@kusakabe3264]

@@defeqel6537 aight, haven't seen the ot in a while. how about first words of encouragement since finding out he his father?

[@robinanwaldt]

He just has to chose an object. That doesn’t mean he gets to keep it.

[@legoverse1412]

“A Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defense” Luke: Grogu, you can chose defensive armor to represent the warrior creed, or this super-weapon to represent the Jedi

[@calebland6246]

Sometimes you have to, you know, mow down some younglings in a defensive way:

[@erykrejner2528]

“A Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defense” Luke: And that is why I'm using the force to hop you around so I dont have to wait for you to keep up.

[@Longshanks1690]

I’ve been leaving a comment on the more normie sections of YT reactions to the show that goes like this “There are so many cameos on this show I wouldn’t be surprised if Boba Fett turns up at some point!” And it’s semi-popular with lots of upvotes and a couple hearts because people interpret it as a light joke pointing fun. It’s not. It is the single greatest problem with the show. I don’t even have a problem with the fan service, really. It’s good fan service, I squealed like the most pathetic consoomer when Luke and Ashoka were on screen and when I recognised that damn hat… but why is it in THIS show? Why did they not just make a show where Boba Fett was a badass crime Lord? That idea just writes itself; take Maul’s plot creating the Shadow Collective from TCW, stretch it out, add in some thematic elements from The Sopranos or early season GOT and some high budget Disney action and you’ve got a banger of a show! But they didn’t. They just couldn’t wait for more cameos that they just HAD to derail it and make it about Mando again. And it’s not even that which I’m pissed about, it is the absolute lack of ambition in how they lazily just slapped together whatever they could for the actual Boba sections, Jon Favreau clearly didn’t care about any of it, and that’s the good faith interpretation. The bad faith one is that the show was made terrible on purpose so these mediocre reveals and reactionbait would look even better when in the context of the power rangers. It’s clear they didn’t want to make a show fully exploring this premise for what it actually promised, they didn’t care one bit, and that really is the biggest sin of the show for me. They could have made an amazing miniseries but instead all the wanted was more jangling keys, and even if the keys are very cool to look at… they’re still just keys. This whole show was just a damn waste and there’s no reason they couldn’t have done this in Mando S3 since this is clearly all they care about. FFS.

[@WrathofArchon]

“hey I have an idea for a show, what if we make boba fett into a crime lord” “Great idea! Start filming it next week!” “Wh- I don’t even have a story set out? How am I supposed to film without even having a basic outline or my sto-“ “N E X T W E E K. F I L M I N G.”

[@Bilbosilius_Zwackelbaggins]

Of course they take it as a light hearted joke. There is no way the greatest king England ever had is one of these toxic fans that incubate in some sort of brood, right? ...right?

[@ngabel8956]

Like 5 years ago they announced they were making a Boba Fett movie. Even though that was cancelled, how the actual fuck have they not had anything outlined in all this time and had to improvise this shit?!

[@WrathofArchon]

@@ngabel8956 weren’t they making a boba fett game at one point as well? surely there had to be shit they could pull from that also

[@socialjihad5724]

@@ngabel8956 My theory is that Mando season 1 was based on a script that was originally to be the Boba Fett movie, but they dropped Fett and converted it to TV after Solo bombed and they lost confidence in legacy character movies. In season 1, there's a LOT of filler, and were you to take episodes 1,3, and the final 2, you pretty much have a storyline for a full length film

[@TheCustodians]

This is, in my opinion, the worst episode of this show. Maybe even of this "Mando continuity". Starting off with an easy one. Where the hell is Mando's jetpack? Is ths N-1so un accommodating to his needs he literally couldn't fit his jetpack in it? And if you're curious an N-1 does not have a storage compartment of any kind and it only fits one pilot. The X-Wing, a far more common ship that would be cheaper and more easily maintained, has a storage compartment. So even just a simple X-Wing would have been a better choice. I didn't know they could do it but they went and ruined Luke even more. Disney is dead set on their vision of Puke Skinwalker. I guess Luke is the only one that gets to have attachments. He went from "I used my connection with my father to save and redeem him" to "attachment is bad and gay". Gogurt, this fucking dumb baby that has no problem eating other babies, must decide between his faith and his family. What the fuck? He's a dumb fucking baby that can't even speak. He's going to pick the shiny one because he's a dumb baby. "But he's 60 years old" yeah and for his species he still a dumb fucking baby. "He was trained by great masters, probably even Yoda" what could they possibly have trained him? It's already bullshit that gogurt can do the things he's done (like lift the mud horn, force heal, and stop a fucking explosion) but if you're telling me that this FUCKING BABY is cognitive enough to be taught force techniques we've never seen any other jedi do, then he's cognitive enough to know that EATING UNBORN CHILDREN IS EVIL! I'm a martial arts instructor, and let me tell you, it's a pain in the ass to try and teach 5 year olds. You really just try to make them have fun so they stay. When they're older you actually start to try and teach them self defense. And those are 5 year olds, well past toddler age. Gogurt is a dumb fucking baby. At that age you're trying to help them not choke to death on their own fucking spitup. And Ashoka is not only ruined but they robbed us of one of the most important and impactful scenes this shitty company could give. Ashoka meeting Luke. The former padawan of Anakin Skywalker, who was one of his closest friends and knew him better than almost any one, meeting his son. There is so much damn potential with this concept. Even if all we got was a scene where Luke tells Ashoka that he saved Anakin and that it was his father that defeated the emperor. seeing Ashoka's reaction to that news would have been an easy slam dunk. But no, we're going to trade the payoff for absolutely nothing. God aren't Dave Filoni and Jon Favreau saving starwars. The best part was the dumb as hell Cad Bane scene and only because he seemed to, AT THE VERY LEAST, resemble his character. How did he walk all the way out there? Why did he walk all the way out there? Why did he go alone? Why didn't people shoot him when he turned his back? And the most important question of them all, how will they fuck up another fan favorite character? So pretty standard episode all things considered.

[@nobody2996]

"And the most important question of them all, how will they fuck up another fan favorite character?" Well, they could have Fennec humiliate him again.

[@lilwinniepooh]

When the Kenobi series airs we’re boutta see a massacre of fan favorites

[@ngabel8956]

"Gogurt" Fucking brilliant. I have no investment in this so called character. Like a porg, it's made to look cute and that's really it.

[@shrewdprivateer3742]

I guess Kylo's child abuse arc was foreshadowed in Grogu's.

[@froggotheweebo6806]

Alright time for the remember list. REMEMBER ASHOKA REMEMBER LUKE SKYWALKER REMEMBER BABY YODA REMEMBER YODA'S LIGHTSABER REMEMBER ORDER 66 REMEMBER CAD BANE REMEMBER R2 D2 REMEMBER SHERIFF DUDE REMEMBER BOBA FE-oh....

[@Swollpool]

Its honestly really impressive that Disney assassinated Luke twice. Nobody would believe Luke would do this "attachment" crap when attachment is what saved Vader. gtfo Also... I like how Luke has Yoda's lightsaber which was lost in the capital of the empire after 25ish years. It's not like Palpatine would have it melted down or anything

[@zappodude7591]

Probably ripped the crystal out to power a lava lamp in his office.

[@zappodude7591]

*An _evil_ lava lamp

[@moe5020]

It's not really character assassination it's actually likely Luke would mostly use the old teachings, it's just bad writing that we don't see Luke come to this conclusion. Sure Luke himself started training late and had attachments and he turned out ok and saved the Galaxy, but Anakin disregarding the rules and forming attachments literally caused the Jedi purge and is what fucked the Galaxy in the first place. The traditional Jedi way of training from early childhood and forgoing all attachment has reliably turned out Jedi knights for centuries, where as the way Luke was trained seems to be about 50/50 and was only done because Yoda didn't have any other choice. Sure Luke would never abandon his attachment to his friends but that doesn't mean he would choose to train all future Jedi to be like him.

[@zappodude7591]

@@moe5020 Anakin caused the Jedi Purge through pure idiocy. Palpatine basically promised him nothing, but Anakin was still willing to sell everybody out and almost get himself killed because the obviously evil old guy said some spooky things. Obviously Palps couldn't deliver what wasn't there. With how the Prequels tell it, there's no reason Vader should be loyal to Palps during the OT.

[@moe5020]

@@zappodude7591 I don't disagree that it's half-baked but it stands that the only reason Palpatine had any leverage at all was because Anakin disregarded the Jedi's teachings and if Anakin had just listened to them everything would have turned out fine. Even if Luke still has attachments himself I don't think it's out of line with his character to train Grogu traditionally.

[@Dave_L913]

"Hello, Republic Department of Child Services? I'd like to make a report..." Luke *training* Grogu with the laser-ball-thingy made me think of Thanos training Gamora and Nebula. "Get up! Always get back up or I'll replace one of your limbs" Then he shows Grogu his own mechanical arm as motivation.

[@axson8]

This episode is just yet another spotlight being thrown on how nobody at lucasfilm understands Luke Skywalker's character at the end of ROTJ. While this was executed poorly in the prequels I understand what George was trying to do with the Jedi. They were too dogmatic about suppressing their emotions so that there was not even a slight temptation to ever go to the dark side. The fatal flaw in this logic is of course that everyone has emotions and not everyone can just can't bury things inside forever. What Luke realized at the end of ROTJ is it's about the "balance" between logic and emotions. It's about accepting that you have emotions and feelings but not letting them run you around. Look what happened during his fight with Vader, he was antagonizing luke about turning his sister over to the dark side. Luke let his emotions get the better of him and was very close to striking down his own father in anger, even if it would have been justifiable given who Vader was. This was shown when Luke notices that Vader's hand is robotic much like his own, telling the viewer that Luke is becoming much like Vader is metaphorically and literally. But Luke did not give in to that temptation, so much to the point that he even threw away his best means of defense against the most evil creature in the galaxy just to demonstrate that he can't turn him no matter what he does because he loves his father. And then we have Disney and Dave filoni's interpretation of Luke Skywalker, or I just refer to him as Luke skinwalker at this point. Aside from the fact that he is telling a literal baby to make this life-altering decision, he is forcing him to make a decision that the previous Jedi order basically made to Anakin Skywalker about his mother. And well we saw how that turned out. I actually hate so much what they did. I remember as a kid watching Star wars and having very superficial reasons for liking it. But like most kids I wanted to be a Jedi, I could move stuff with my minds and I could use a lightsaber. But as I got older I began to understand the more mature aspect of Luke Skywalker, of what it means to be a person. But at this point why would I ever want to be a Jedi if this is what I would have to do in order to be one. Luke skinwalker is not even a character, let alone a person at this point.

[@Darkness1984]

Strange because this Luke here is what I always imagined what a older, more expirienced Luke as a teacher would be like.

[@nhagan001]

@@Darkness1984 you mean a teacher that tells you to not choose attachment, but then offers you two items, both filled with attachment?

[@kacktustoo]

Yep I was thinking the exact same thing when I watched it. I was like "wait, but Luke was all about attachment, it was his literal reason for saving Darth Vader, he just understood the balance that was required"

[@petriew2018]

The defining moment of Luke Skywalker in the OG trilogy : throwing down his lightsaber in defiance of the Emperor and his own dark side The defining moment of Luke Skylwaker in Disney Star wars : chopping up some nameless droids for basically no reason or throwing his lightsaber away for a cheap joke, whichever you prefer This is an entire universe for morons by morons....

[@Robin_Heeren]

Wrong sir, what Luke realized at the end of ROTJ is that he'd been craving blue alien titty milk this whole time. And so his quest to find a planet that had the aliens began.

[@CivilMarauder]

I'm afraid the EFAP crew skipped over the most important part - Disney inadvertently slaughtered the most exciting character in the show. They slaughtered Max Rebo. How dare they.

[@DuneStone6816]

I am absolutely certain Rebo is somehow the only survivor. He survived the destruction of Jabba's barge.

[@CivilMarauder]

@@DuneStone6816 Lol honestly that's probably true. Maybe he's actually force sensitive and he'll show up in Luke's academy in Mando season 3.

[@pokemastermlg7435]

We don’t see him in that scene so he’s probably alive

[@evernight1405]

That Disney for you, bring back a lovable character from the past and kill them.

[@electricbayonet2]

55:26 “May we take your helmets for a cleaning?” Wait, is that something they actually ask everyone that comes in? I thought it was a really stupid way of ‘subtly’ giving Boba his protection money. Well, I figured that once they filled his helmet with Chuck E. Cheese tokens. At first I thought it was a euphemism for the two obvious sex workers offering to blow him and Boba was just a weirdo that assumed they were being literal.

[@jamess.8279]

Racist. Clearly you only thought that because they were Twi’leks!

[@tabull8180]

This is one of those things that in any decently written show would be established either by showing or in dialogue. That there is demand for helmet cleaning service or that it means something else. But of course thats too much to ask in these shows.

[@jamess.8279]

@@tabull8180 to expand on that, most scenes serve a purpose. It wouldn’t have been so bad if, say, boba walked in with his helmet on, and they tried to pitch that as a sale (let’s assume it’s established, like you suggested), and he reacted very negatively to show that he values his safety of the fear factor of always being fully equipped. But no, it just exists for no damn reason at all, other than to say, “look, twi’leks exist, guys”

[@tabull8180]

@@jamess.8279 And the funniest thing is that they could do a line or two of dialogue in the same time as it now took to chase the workers away with hand movement. Which could give something about the place or the world or the work or his character or his motivations. Like saying (random examples) "not today" or "you know me better than that" or "you are annoying me, go away" or "I need my helmet" or even "no, thank you" as a show of respecting their work. But no, "good enough", the director said.

[@jamess.8279]

@@tabull8180 it’s the epitome of laziness. I put more thought into “what-ifs” in my head.

[@Archphoenix1]

They put mauler into the Star wars universe and it was still not enough to make him like the show. TYPICAL

[@Clipzilla42]

YES WHERE is the proper skull on wheels REPRESENTATION???

[@ShmuckLord385]

They forgot his wheel chair and heroin addiction though... if they had the chair, man, then maybe.

[@Сайтамен]

@@ShmuckLord385 You are talking about Plinkett, not Mauler.

[@ShmuckLord385]

@@Сайтамен you don't remember moolers Iconic Childhood Spinal injury? Or his tragic drug addiction? They were a huge part of season 13 of his hit show "Daddy Moo Moo Loves You ASMR"

[@Shabanezloth]

I want a 20 episodes show of Luke being an awful teacher to Grogu, that was legit hilarious.

[@sparkypack]

What is there to learn from Luke? He trains like a fool. He can't even force heal or force pull an entire cargo ship.

[@cokeMONSTERps3]

They had to have known. It was so ridiculous yet played so seriously, especially at the yoda lightsaber.

[@trygveplaustrum4634]

You know, the concept of Baby Yoda getting mercilessly slaughtered is not an idea I knew I wanted. Thanks, show, for introducing it to me! My day is just a little brighter because of it!

[@Darkness1984]

Or youre just dead inside.

[@Max-kv1xm]

obviously he chooses to return to Mando, and thus does not get killed by Kyle. Knowledge of Kylo Ren renders this choice completely pointless! There's no mystery! welcome to the Prequel Problem!!!

[@thatoneguymatt987]

How did they manage to get away with assassinating Luke Skywalker's character AGAIN!!! And this time, they're being PRAISED for not watching Return of the Jedi and understanding the entire point of Luke redeeming Vader... WHAT THE HELL!!

[@sparkypack]

Luke: yeah, whatever kid. goes on drinking green milk from alien tity.

[@callmeej8399]

I was so pissed when I watched and I thought I was alone his character is just continuously being assasinated

[@fufu1128]

Nastalga Bukakke

[@heronofalexandria91]

The ant robots are constructing the Jedi temple using “Cyclopean masonry” which uses stones of various sizes to fit together with no mortar holding it together. It is the type of masonry that the Mycenaeans used. later Greeks thought that only large cyclopes could have constructed those structures due to the size of some of the stones.

[@odinsrensen7460]

Looks awfully unstable and dangerous to live in. Thank goodness for the invention of mortar.

[@zonbichaos5844]

But why tho?

[@noneed4sleep64]

That’s pretty cool, too bad a detail like that is wasted on a show like this

[@andrewconrad2859]

Baalback, Lebanon. Sacsahuyman, (sp.), South America, Yonaguni, Japan (under water, now), and countless other unbelievable examples around the world. All with stones of impossible size, fitted together so perfectly that one cannot slide a piece of paper between the blocks. It's an amazing field of study.

[@ProjectRedfoot]

@@andrewconrad2859 this guy gets it

[@HolyApplebutter]

I always thought that Luke was greatly against the Jedi's aversion to attachment, as not only was it something that pulled Anakin to the dark side, but it was also Vader and Luke's familial attachment to each other that overcame the emperor. It was his attachment to his friends that had gotten him up to that point. Yet here he now is, saying, "Hey, if you touch this armor you're dead to me and I'll never teach you anything ever again." Jake Skywalker strikes again.

[@redshipley]

A character from another Star Wars show appears Audience: Ah yes, I grew up surrounded by these characters.

[@Party_Almsivi]

Wow, the republic doesn’t fund the building of Jedi academies? …I’m inspired. This gives me an idea, imagine the kind of anti-republic propaganda that the imperial remnant would put out, using exactly this kind of thing. “So much for the supposed bleeding hearts in the republic senate. This is just one small example of the betrayals to come, my friends! The rebellion sold you a false bill of goods to overthrow our empire! They don’t even care to help the Jedi they lauded so as such great and honorable heroes, what makes you think they’ll care about you, here in the outer rim? You’ll be cast aside and forgotten now that you’ve served their interests, just like the old republic did… But the Imperial Remnant hasn’t forgotten you. Even in exile, we work to rebuild our forces, and establish strongholds to defend those of you who remain loyal to The Cause, not only from Republic expeditionary forces, but from the criminal elements that have plagued so many of your worlds for so many centuries. Which is more than the republic could ever say…” Why can’t we have nice things that take advantage of the idea that the remnant would become a subversive element, and essentially start to copy the rebellions homework? Why are we cursed with so much milquetoast drivel from Disney?

[@socialjihad5724]

This comment causes me emotional pain thinking about what could have been

[@gzz8551]

How did Luke get Yoda’s lightsaber? A good question, for another time…

[@SwiftNimblefoot]

I guess the senate building was still on Coruscant, and he went through and looked under every giant floating podium. :P

[@buckwheatjackson1761]

Grand Vizier Mas Amedda burned Yoda’s lightsaber after it was found on Coruscant, according to Star Wars Canon. Yoda must have made a spare on Dagobah.

[@gzz8551]

@@buckwheatjackson1761 😂 a spare. Yeah why not.

[@kavinskysmith4094]

it would be stupid easy to say that the emperor had someone look for the thing and kept it as a trophy

[@gzz8551]

@@kavinskysmith4094 Easy AND stupid. Sounds like Disney to me!

[@JekPorkbricks]

To be fair, Cad Bane says he wouldn't stick his nose in the wrong things IF HE WERE COBB VANTH, who has a nose. But still a weird expression for Cad to use.

[@mellowgeekstudio]

He probably lost his nose by sticking it in the wrong things, so he is speaking from experience.

[@massivetism]

@@mellowgeekstudio holy shit it's so clever

[@FantasySportsZen]

I disagree. I thought that line was kinda funny. Quick, easy way to set someone off guard for one. Make them feel awkward, which is beneficial to Cad. God does he look awful live action though ugh.

[@anthonysaylor8120]

Man, if they had just fucking waited til they were done with Mando S3, this could have spared Boba and his actor all this embarrassment. But no, Disney has to blitz out content.

[@LivingStoneWriter]

Only because they knew in advance that the show wasn't as good as they wanted. They literally had to borrow from a better show just to make this one look good. 😂

[@petriew2018]

this show only exists because there won't be a Mando s3

[@SefniAsheforr]

Cad Bane is one of the only things from the Clone Wars cartoon that I genuinely love and want more from. But Disney's ineptitude makes me want the character to be as far from anything new as possible. Fuck do I hate what's become of Star Wars. Edit: Also, he looks absolutely atrocious and out of place in this series. There's just something off about it that I can't place.

[@Luke101]

He looks fantastic. The practical makeup work is awesome as well as the costume. Clone Wars is a hyper stylized show... Fucking Count Dooku?? He isn't gonna be replicated the same in live action. Also what? The Clone Wars show made the prequel era so much more expansive and detailed, introducing great new characters and really improved on Anakin as a character which I think is its biggest strength

[@elliotkouame3849]

@@Luke101 He should at least be consistent with other live action Duros, but he isn’t. They fucked up.

[@David_J.E.]

​@@Luke101 Keep in mind that I have no attachment to the clone wars when I say this, I couldn't care less if he looks different than he does in some 3d animation I never watched. He looks goofy as fuck. His nasal area and huge eyes makes it looks like hes constantly making a childishly pouty sneer when he talks, its silly as fuck, and as Jay put it: his fingers are all floompy.

[@lilwinniepooh]

They should’ve done a cg Bane instead of a practical one. I feel like the face was too squished in, instead of the longer and narrower face we had in the CW

[@elliotkouame3849]

@@lilwinniepooh Or a mix of CG and practical. Keep the prosthetic face and adjust the proportions digitally

[@Idea_of_Lustre]

Fun little trivia piece about Yoda's lightsaber. In the pre-2014 Legends continuity, the old Locations Guide for ESB confirms that he actually still had his lightsaber, he had just chosen to shelve it while he was on Dagobah. The RotS Novelization also established that he was able to grab it after his battle with Palpatine and cut his way out of the building instead of using a random shaft. In the post-2014 Disney Canon continuity however, he was unable to retrieve it. In the 2017 Darth Vader comic run Palpatine destroyed the lightsaber by having it burned as a public event. This is how little current Lucasfilm cares about the narrative integrity of their universe.

[@Bopperann]

The Tuskens deserve worse.

[@BiggieTrismegistus]

👍🏻

[@augustusfren133]

I love how luke training baby yoda is just fvcking with him, like “jump higher, are you a baby or something? you remind me of someone from your race lol he dead tho. ok now hold tight while I flip around, Ima take you to the river where you’re gonna have to stand on one foot at the edge of a tree, let’s hope you don’t drown little toddler. also feel the force I guess.”

[@MrNighNight]

"Feel the force, I guess" LOL

[@AkhSeth]

R.I.P. Max Rebo. You will be missed. Also if he somehow survided the bombing attack I hope he will go after Boba Fett. This is his second gig that he lost because of the Bobas stupidity.

[@matthewcollins4773]

Ah, but that's the point -- he survived that first one, he can survive this. I'm guessing, given the size of his nose, that he has several lizards in there guiding him to safety.

[@jimboodle9242]

He survived the explosion because he was late to the gig. As per robot chicken he runs on Jazz time

[@karlnapf5812]

No, you see, elephants have thick skin, blue elephants have even thicker skin! Well, two weeks after the explosion he was released out of Mos Espa General Hospital. Made an Album called "The hustle is hard, but my skin is harder" that skyrocketed, because he survived two explosions in less than ten years. Top hits like "If I play the wrong key, I may set something off", "All of my band is dead N° 2" and, of course, "macarena" were on that!

[@samwallaceart288]

Max Rebo. Admiral Ackbar. Both great men. Both loved. Both unceremoniously bombed to hell.

[@outoftunestring]

little did we know, Max Rebo is the head of the Pyke Syndicate and the true crime boss of the galaxy

[@noank9175]

Imagine if in the credits it said, “Guest Starring: Temuera Morrison.”

[@Ramsey276one]

I don’t get it But the name is LOL XD

[@PhillipOnTakos]

I'm just annoyed that characters from the Clone Wars show like Ashoka and Cad Bane are so much better than the live action shows have given us and this will be there mainstream legacy. I'm not saying the EFAP crew should even watch Clone Wars to understand. I just don't like that these characters that have been written much better in the past will be mostly known for there appearances in these shows. Truly Disney can kill every aspect of Star Wars at this point.

[@speedylewder120]

Eh they kinda should well at least one of them should because there context for them 2

[@Сайтамен]

Don't worry, they will be ruined as well.

[@lilwinniepooh]

Before this episode I thought Ghost Yoda was gonna visit Luke and instruct him to bring Grogu back to his home planet. He could’ve given Luke the coordinates, and vows to Luke to keep it a secret. We could’ve had an eerie, yet beautiful interaction between Luke and Yoda’s species. This could further expand Luke’s knowledge with the force, his wisdom, and fufills expanding the universe. But it’s Disney so they give us what we truly want and that’s shooting Baby Yoda

[@BobbyWanKenobi]

Luke: “If you choose the armor, you'll return to your friend, the Mandalorian. However, you will be giving in to attachment to those that you love and forsaking the way of the Jedi. Unlike that time I used my attachment to redeem Darth Vader and save my friends from the Emperor. But you must choose or the other!” Baby Yoda: "Are you making this shit up as you go?" Luke: *looks away* "N-no! Wait you could talk this whole time?" Baby Yoda: "Uuuuhhh..." *baby squeal* Luke: *Force lifts Yoda's lightsaber* "Have you been having bad dreams lately?"

[@zappodude7591]

And... there it goes. The very soul of the OT has been completely undone. Luke "giving in to attachment" with his faith in Vader is what saved the galaxy. He proved the Jedi were wrong, that such bonds cannot be ignored and they're as much a part of the force as anything. And what did he learn? Nothing. He has somehow unlearned what _he_ discovered - what _he_ had to show to his own teachers. He's been reverted to the old rigid Jedi ways to preserve the "clever deconstruction" of the sequels - something that the OT and even the Prequels already did better. Disney has not changed. They still refuse to let go of their proven failure.

[@corruptangel6793]

Well, to be fair, Padmé proved its not that simple. Redemption through attachment is incredibly unreliable and so the Jedi Order play it safe and just say no as it's much more likely to create a Darth Vader than save one. Still doesn't make sense for Luke to think attachment is bad though

[@zappodude7591]

@@corruptangel6793 It wasn't Padmé that led Anakin to the dark side - it was his own stupidity. Anakin sold out to Palpatine in exchange for vague promises of vague knowledge to protect from indeterminate danger. He's a complete idiot and the other Jedi are idiots for letting him get away with it.

[@corruptangel6793]

@@zappodude7591 Anakin fell because of attachment. Because he was selfish and comsumed by fear. He fell because he refused to accept death and was literally willing to let the galaxy burn if it meant her life. Palpatine enabled that selfish, desperate mindset and promised a power that could force his will upon life itself. My point with Padmé is, if Luke's love is what saved Anakin, why couldn't Padmé save him? Was her love any less pure or true than Luke's? No. The simple fact is Anakin had to make the conscious choice to turn away from the dark side, and he wasn't willing to do so with Padmé, he was still fully under its influence. It's the same reason interventions fail for addicts. Love alone isn't always enough to reach the addict. More often than not, they have to hit rock-bottom before they're willing to admit their addiction and accept help.

[@kacktustoo]

@@corruptangel6793 well anakin was written as pretty flawed from the start, he wasn't the most stable person, which is mainly why he did those things.

[@corruptangel6793]

@@kacktustoo Considering he was a slave until being accepted into the Order at 10, I'd say he was pretty damn stable. Aside from being a bit arrogant, impatient, and frustrated by Obi-Wan's teaching methods, all perfectly normal things for a prodigous talent to feel, he was a perfectly normal and capable young Jedi. Until his mother died in his arms of course. But even Mace Windu had been won over and supported Anakin going on a solo mission. So I don't know what you mean by that. Anakin was an extreme case, I admit. The Force was particularly brutal to him with those visions, as if it were purposefully driving him down that path. But, that doesn't change anything I said.

[@imachild.131]

Me when I see cad bane as the sixth legacy cameo in this stupid show: “WHY ARE WE STILL HERE, JUST TO SUFFER FROM ALL THIS KEY JANGLING!” While we wait 2 hours for the vid here’s a question for chat (or for any of the efap guests and host), what do you think bout a Star Wars property (movies,games, tv, etc) having licensed music? Do you think it would work, or would it break your immersion of the universe?

[@יאירימין-ע2ו]

I never thought about it but now that you point that out I realy don't want that to happen, Star Wars is known for it's music and that would just ruin it. Also, I have to say that his cameo seemed like the best one for ne.

[@RatchildUK]

At least it makes sense for Bane to be in a Boba show.

[@atrholiday2889]

Luke showing Grogu a lightsaber and having him choose his life path is like a divorced cop showing his 3-year-old son a gun and saying “decide whether you want to be a cop or go live with your mom”

[@RogueFox2185]

Boba Fett is so pathetic that he got hijacked TWICE, he can’t even carry his own show!

[@crazycanadian5592]

I want to hear all of the mouth breathers that celebrated Luke's "return to glory" in the mandalorian. Because now we get to see more of him and he's a complete disgrace to the character again. Why is it hard to write Luke Skywalker? You have his entire character laid out infront of you. Just watch the fucking OT. Luke would never tell someone they have to abandon all attachments. It's the complete fucking opposite of what we see him do in the OT. He cared about his friends more than anything. He was willing to die for them. Now he's telling Grogu to abandon them completely? It's one thing to explain that he can't let fear motivate him or not to let attachments control you. But to just tell him to cut off all ties to the outside is insane. Luke was never a his radical cultist that Disney thinks he is.

[@unformedeight]

Well you see if he cared about anyone he would have done something other than buggered off to drink space walrus milk

[@UsernameTed94]

Remember when Luke, staring down death at the hands of Jabba, took the time to share with his friend that he grew up in this area of the planet? That's a perfect example of what you're talking about.

[@corruptangel6793]

He literally went purposely to his potential death in ROTJ because he couldn't abandon his attachment to the IDEA of saving his father.

[@crazycanadian5592]

@@unformedeight exactly. The Disney writers have to retroactively change Luke's character to justify their mess in the future.

[@crazycanadian5592]

@@UsernameTed94 not sure if that's related to what I'm talking about but nonetheless it's good character writing. It makes Luke feel like a person. He says relevant things. Every single line Luke had here felt hollow and empty. Like some NPC.

[@christopherjones5446]

There was a time that any EU characters making it to live action was a pipe dream and unheard of. Now that is coming fast and frequent with little rhyme or reason, it’s coming off as pandering, desperate, and fanfic-y. And for better or worse, Star Wars under Lucas never felt fanfic-y.

[@BetterCallStan]

In all fairness, Cad isn’t an EU character. He was in TCW and Bad Batch, both of which are Disney Canon.

[@Longshanks1690]

@@BetterCallStan TCW was made when Lucas was still around and was part of the EU. Ironically it was only cancelled because of the Disney purchase.

[@BetterCallStan]

@@Longshanks1690 true, but I was meaning that it’s canon according to Disney.

[@christopherjones5446]

@@BetterCallStan I don’t know what Disney and individual head canons entail, but the Expanded Universe pre Disney subjugation, I mean acquisition, was defined as any elements, characters, locations, etc that was introduced outside the movies. And as for Disney canon, it established that Han was married to a stunning and brave black female and that Jyn Erso, not Luke Skywalker, was the hero of the the battle of Yavin 4. So I don’t put much stock in their crap.

[@archangelmichael1678]

Luke said that if he chooses to go with Mando that he will forsake the Jedi ways. But giving him Yoda’s lightsaber is contradicting the Jedi ways. The final test of a Jedi is to craft their own lightsaber. Vader said it to Luke in Return of the Jedi.

[@samuellund1377]

The Jedi training felt more like an RPG tutorial. Press A to jump. Try to dodge the Lasers! Here is a sword. Equip it by pressing "I"... Or you can spec into armor. Put your skill point into either attack or defense. You cannot undo this choice.

[@Troopertroll]

The whole "pre-Empire" starships not having an ID meme is bananas. The N-1 is a royal escort vehicle. Between Naboo and Coruscant, both of which were the Emperor's "home" planets and had extreme imperial presence and oversight, there's no way the ship wouldn't have an ID. Filoni even had episodes about the Empire issuing a new ID system. People who say the ship is good for evading authorities are lunatics.

[@The_Laughing_Cavalier]

"The Diner of Dex: Episode 2" [Fade In] For some reason, Dex isn't seen in this episode at all this week. Instead, we follow Jar Jar Binks as he helps his people with building houses in their ancestral homelands (which is in the woods now, their old place under the water got blown up or something, idk). However, they soon hear a dreaded sound approaching... ♫...Now he's got a branch line to call his very own, he's the Really Useful Engine we adore! He's the one, He's the Number One, Thomas the Tank Engine!...♫ "Oh bother, I'm going to be late!" said Thomas as he activated his miniature death star lasers, blowing up yet another village of Gungans. Jar Jar though, hoping to redeem himself after the events of Episode III: Revenge of the Sith, bravely takes on Thomas and defeats him. As the train falls though, his cargo spills over the ground and Jar Jar accidently steps in some. Boss Nass, seeing Jar Jar, approaches him and says: "Yousa stepped in bantha poo-doo! This is against sacred Gungan religions! Yousa exiled until you bathe in the sacred Member Berry Juice of Tatooine!" Jar Jar thus leaves to restore his honour, this event being considered worst than the time he voted emergency powers to Palpatine. He finds the sacred Member Berry Juice on said planet hidden behind a large metal door with a weird logo on it that says 'Walt Disney'. Upon entering the sacred Member Berry Juice baths though, Jar Jar notices something. "Moi Moi! This is bantha poo doo!" The dirty secret of the Gungans had a last been uncovered and when Bea Arthur approached Jar Jar with an offer to help Dex in his fight against the Gungans, Jar Jar takes up the challenge."

[@unpopularopinions7407]

I felt Thomas the Tank Engine’s character arc was very abruptly concluded tbh, pretty disappointing after years of hype and speculation.

[@varisugocsay1152]

@@unpopularopinions7407 Hater.

[@TurboDonk]

Scene: Dex's Diner Zuckuss, 4-LOM, and Bossk sit at a booth. Dengar enters the diner, walks over, and slams 100 credits on the table. Dengar: "I'm out!" *uproarious laughter* Bossk: "What?" Dengar: "I'm out! I'm out of the contest!" *piercing Mando recorder shriek transitions into the Seinfeld theme* *freeze frame as credits begin to roll to resounding applause*

[@Сайтамен]

That's actually an episode from Star Wars Detours.

[@Obloaha]

And then he gets hired by Boba?

[@rgh1132]

Mando and Luke are like the tale of two shitty parents. For the first two seasons of Mando we were wondering why Mando has been so irresponsible with Grogu with bringing him, an infant, on all of his harrowing adventures. Jesus please someone take custody away from him. Luke comes along and on the first day, does acrobatics with the infant giving Grogu shaken baby syndrome, and then has a droid shoot at him. Lol it's like the, "Upgrade, fuck go back," meme