The Acolyte Shills Crawl Out in Full Force | EFAP Highlight

Several KZbinrs simp and shill over Star Wars: The Acolyte, exposing just how far standards have fallen amongst Star Wars fans.
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[@kanteannightmare]

"Maybe being good isn't so good" when people say that it exposes them not knowing what good is... Yeah it sucks not being rewarded for your efforts but doing good isn't about you getting stuff for it.

[@krnatsu]

Agreed, the purpose of doing the right thing cannot be primarily for personal gain, thats called being selfish or a compassionate narcissist. "Oh I'm such a great person, look how GOOD I am". Most good people don't feel the need to justify doing the right thing

[@visitingforgefather5997]

A simple act of kindness is a genuine alien concept to this guy. I wonder if he ever saw a random person help an old lady or something, would he have a moment of crisis? Question everything he assumed about humanity? Existence?

[@krnatsu]

@@visitingforgefather5997 or perhaps he would think "that guy is only help that old woman so he can take advantage of her". He's the kind of guy to see someone at their best and suspect what they are at their worst

[@visitingforgefather5997]

@@krnatsu Yeah that actually seems more likely. He doesn't seem like somebody who would reevaluate their worldview in the face of reality.

[@krnatsu]

@@visitingforgefather5997 agreed. He seems to be very firmly set in what he already believes, it wouldn't surprise me if he was raised and taught WHAT to think, as opposed to being taught TO think. The former is a pre-emptive decision on what an individual should believe, the latter teaches them to think as an individual and be open to other opinions, whether or not they contradict their own

[@BSMerlin064]

I love how the defence from Disney shills is "Stop caring."

[@cartoonking1789]

I mean I’ve stopped caring form anything related to Disney Star Wars but it doesn’t mean Disney Star Wars isn’t garbage.

[@ProjectRedfoot]

Old fans: okay, I'll stop caring.

[@gurmyigoll3535]

Wow, what a cheerful message! /s

[@TJ347]

Either that or "you just have to turn off your brain for a while..."

[@Slender_Man_186]

And they wonder why we call them fake fans, they literally don’t care about Star Wars, you can’t really call yourself a fan of something if you don’t care about it ffs.

[@eddobh]

"a TV show, made primarily for twelve years old..." oh, boy! look how well this aged after episode 6!

[@lordofthepizzapie9319]

Not even Patrick Willems' takes soured this fast.

[@Nabekukka]

I'm almost afraid to ask, but... ...what happened? 😂

[@KendrickEdits]

​@@Nabekukka I just say this has a naked Asian man

[@adam.e.nowakowski]

​@@Nabekukka Male nudity happened. Plus an encouragement to go skinny dipping together. You know, it's a kid show.

[@329link]

​@@Nabekukka haven't seen it myself, but apparently episode 6 has some nudity.

[@davemustang8173]

Anyone else sick of this "maybe the good guys were actually bad" trope that's been reused for 30 years?

[@GGHF]

The lazy subversion trick of "Good thing bad, actually" and "Bad thing good, actually." You can thank all the Internet reviewers of the early Internet that thought they were super smart for doing that constantly to be different.

[@mrdropkicker1]

@@GGHFit’s so pervasive that the fantasy anime, Frieren Beyond Journey’s End actually turned the obvious thing into the twist… “Oh, turns out she was right and the demons aren’t misunderstood creatures and actually ARE monstrous and evil and psychopathic and will brutally murder innocent people without a second thought…”

[@wojak-sensei6424]

Somewhere along the lines, we forgot that this trope was made for each side to explain their positions in morality, not just make another blanket, black-and-white statement about it. Just that this time, it's in reverse. Good is bad, bad is good, and don't try to think too much as to why.

[@Wyzai]

it's a cheap trope that people who are entirely reliant on tropes and contrivance use to prop up their makeshift plot. If used correctly it should be a premise not a plot twist. "What if this thing that's superficially good was actually corrupt on the inside?" or vice versa is a decent enough idea to use for brainstorming while writing. As a plot twist it's really amateurish because it leads to the creation of stories where something is portrayed as perfectly good to the point that it cannot exist and is then revealed to not be that... which is just a basic observation of reality. Disney slop is just so terrible it even fails at that. Instead of the amateur set up and twist, they just have a character go "but what if this thing was actually bad" when nobody thought it was flawless to begin with. There is no twist. There's just a halfwit doing generalisations.

[@durrnip]

I think I'm not sick of any trope, anything can be done well. I'm tired of writers using tropes on a surface level, completely forgetting that they have to actually write a story alongside it. "Oh we should do le twist villain, that's a thing that people do!" (without any logic or buildup, and where the non-subversive route would've been cooler) It's like putting the cart before the horse, except they couldn't even be bothered with the horse and they wonder why the cart isn't going anywhere

[@JLongbone]

9:25 dude filming in Dracula's basement? lol

[@EndThusIAm]

He told Dracula it was now his basement, and because Dracula drank his blood and there was such belief in it, Dracula now believed it was that guy's basement.

[@nananamamana3591]

Bro does that *LOOK* like a meth lab? Nah dude, that aint Dracula's basement lmfao these kids today lmao

[@ProjectRedfoot]

Batman is vampire I have proof

[@Ewil.Bluetooth]

Wow! It's the Longbone. 😮

[@rasendori20]

Strong women of “color”!!!!

[@kanteannightmare]

If one of the arguments is that you're too old to criticize, then wouldn't it also work in the inverse that you're too old to defend it?

[@ProjectRedfoot]

You're too young not to like it!

[@peteomarjebdollosa9170]

They would also be too old to praise it.

[@krnatsu]

Glad I'm not the only one who saw this particular absurdity to the argument

[@harbl99]

No, no. It only works that way when _they_ do it. Because of reasons never fully explained.

[@Muck006]

AGEISM!

[@DarthDevorin]

"Many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it." - Morpheus, The Matrix

[@beowulfsrevenge4369]

The issue is that none of the characters are doing "good." The Jedi are completely incompetent. The OSHA had a chance to stop her sister by stunning her and didn't. She stopped Sol from killing Smilo only to try to kill him with bugs a moment later. The Mae has been murdering people, then decides to change side. Then, she changes back. Smilo Ren is incredibly powerful but won't kill his opponents when he gets the chance. Then, when he exposes his motivation, it makes no sense cause if he'd just left the jedi alone, they wouldn't be hunting him. The whole story makes no sense.

[@Avarn388]

@beowulfsrevenge4369 All of this screams of lack of research and putting out a rough draft. Editors can get a bad reputation but you really need a professional nitpicker whenever crafting your work. Someone who can accurately point out the bad elements of your work and offer ways to polish it and fix those problems and make it good. But knowing these Hollywood types, they think everything they produced is the bestest thing since sliced bread; that they can do no wrong and that because they have diversity, that's all that matters. That shallow flag planting may get you a few clicks and validation but a lack of substance and care will be the thing that often makes your work remembered long after it passes from the public consciousness. Because if the Acolyte was its own show and didn't ride the coatails of Star Wars, it would be finished. The OT stands on its own because it was a simple, but effective story told. A great coming of age/ hero's journey.

[@callumholland8932]

​@@Avarn388 did you know the original writers were the same 2 doing the new HOTD there credited in every episode but they only wrote a story and passed it on imagine the real script could of been great but no 3 reshoots because of Leslie, when she first seen the guy playing the sith in role she changed the entire plot to fit him in then twice more because of screenings were poor I need the original script and the 2 screenings they will be comedy gold

[@Crimson522]

The shills put more effort into conceptualizing the themes, characterization, and plot of the acolyte than the showrunners themselves

[@a_lost_one]

When you have to stoop to nihilism ('stop caring/why do you care so much?') then you have absolutely no argument and have completely capitulated.

[@Wyzai]

I mean, it's essentially an admission to as much. "Why do you care so much? [I stopped caring a long time ago.]"

[@jmaitland5709]

Something that never fails to meld my brain is how there's this whole swathe of people online that will act like people like Mauler or Nedrotic or whoever are the scum of the earth and "angry old men" because they said "This show is bad" and sounded mean when they said it. Meanwhile, those same people will same some of the most insulting things imaginable about the show, the medium, and other people, but its ok because they do it in a soft spoken sad tone of voice.

[@JSPena]

There are times when I question why people who just accuse them of being rage baiters still bother to comment on their videos? I mean seriously how hard is it to click on the three dots on the side and click “Don’t recommend channel”?

[@acedetective7280]

@@JSPenaIt’s what I do for whatever reason I’m recommended a Hasan or Vaush vid.

[@Phoenix0F8]

the "wounded british animal" tone, I know it well. still haven't recovered from the Skyrim cuck personally

[@Wyzai]

@@JSPena that's the trick. You don't watch them in the first place. You just watch other people call them bad and you parrot their talking points with half the eloquence. Then you and your echochamber agree how bad those people nobody watched are.

[@sztallone415]

they put in together MovieCynic and Platoon already with the 'right wing boomers', so next logical step is to call JLongbone or Jedibrooks a white supremacist

[@SacClass650]

It's funny watching them come close to reckoning with the fact that the undoing of standards inhibits their own ability to meaningfully advocate for what they themselves want to advocate for. Not to get too pretentious, but Plato called it right when he said that those who have no sense of logic or ethics; _deceive_ themselves.

[@morganseppy5180]

You're correct. I think the quote that helps to deal with that goes something like, "you cannot talk sometimes out of a position that they didn't talk themselves into."

[@benjaminsmith3843]

​@morganseppy5180 the quote you're looking for is: "You cannot reason a person out of a position he did not reason himself into in the first place." - Jonathan Swift

[@la_scrittice_vita]

Oh absolutely. The twitter leftie has roughly the same level of cognition as a dog barking at the postman.

[@trygveplaustrum4634]

There are people who will back *anything* they’re handed, because they lack the curiosity to find undiscovered media on their own and the emotional/intellectual maturity to process it.

[@a_lost_one]

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!"

[@jilliebean6312]

Undiscovered media like what, Fanfilms?

[@la_scrittice_vita]

I said in another thread, it's about the level of cognition as a dog chasing a stick.

[@jilliebean6312]

@@trygveplaustrum4634 this is the same thing people like you said about the prequels, the problem is starwars is SOOOOO GOOD AWESOME AND INSPIRING that even when its bad its atleast mids or good meaning there will never be bad starwars just not that great

[@loganp6629]

No more Star Wars critiques. There's starving Africa in people.

[@Señor-Donjusticia]

Every 60 seconds, a whole minute passes in Africa!

[@denkerbosu3551]

"why do they keep using this argument (of this being for children)?" It's to shame you, not to debate it, but to discredit you from the start.

[@Phoenix0F8]

A surprising amount of modern "discourse" boils down to this exact thing. "Ohh, you're just a racist. You're a fascist. You're a [flavor of the week]phobe. You're an iiiiiiinnncell. You disagree with me politically, therefore you don't have any SEX!" People don't tend to actually engage with each-other's *ideas* anymore, it's just a contest of who can throw out the most bad-sounding adjectives and try to get them to stick so that their opponent gets collectively shamed and figuratively devoured by a ravenous, terminally online mob. A mob which is absolutely racked and riddled with barely suppressed guilt and will pounce on every single opportunity to try to project it onto someone else; anything for even a few blissful moments of being able to pretend that they're morally superior before the manic high fades and it's just them and their repressed shame once again. Lots of people living a really fucking sad existence, and making it a problem for the rest of us just trying to get by.

[@haku8135]

Jokes on them, I've been used to that nonsense for years. My Little Pony was very much made for children, and literally the first 5 minutes is vastly better in every respect than The Acolyte in its entirety.

[@a_fine_edition2746]

@hali8135 I can vouch for this, having watched a fair amount of episodes with my little sister growing up. The average episode of My Little Pony has greater character work, better themes, and more consistent writing than The Acolyte.

[@haku8135]

@@a_fine_edition2746 MLP actually HAS character development. If you watch the first episode and skip to the last, it's almost a different show. The world develops, the characters grow and change, they do different things in their lives, there was an entire episode on dealing with DEATH using a tortoise's hibernation and it's brilliant. Not to mention the music is fucking baller.

[@a_fine_edition2746]

All true lol. It’s kind of crazy we’re comparing a big-budget Star Wars project to a Saturday morning type of cartoon. But the characters in MLP are genuinely more developed in the first season or so. And they get plenty of development across the show’s 8 or 9 season run, with the introduction of new characters, surprisingly detailed lore, etc.

[@seanblack1320]

the insistence this is for 12 year olds is disturbing now after episode 6, where we have a dude skinny dipping and trying to pressure the girl he's with to come and join him.

[@Ewil.Bluetooth]

It's already enough weird and indefensible since the shows creator said that it's a queer show. That should disqualify it from being a kids show extremely hard. I wish that he answered that. He would either admit that he was talking rubbish or admit that he thinks it's a great idea to merge kids shows with deviancy.

[@seanblack1320]

@@Ewil.Bluetooth we don't even need to do that. The shows rated tv 14. That's the same rating as the daredevil series, where a guy lost his head to a car door.

[@scrawnyclownsnatch9656]

This reminded me, I got into a short argument with someone in the chat of a Star Wars video where I pretty much said it was dumb the Cortosis helmet was added in, but not explained in the show as to why it can do what it does (and why it was apparently for resisting mind reading). Their brain-dead retort was "it is funny how people are upset that they are doing a lot of telling and no showing in the show but as soon as they show and not tell, you go "are you going to tell up what happening." I just ended the conversation because they were beyond saving if they didn't understand why it's okay in some situations and not in others.

[@MajorSmurf]

It's also the fact that we now have legends as both canon and non-canon. So now neither side can use that as explanation because it's a paradox. We can't have it both ways as now no-one knows what is canon. If Cortosis is the exact same as in legends than is all it's history and properties? We have to assume it's mined in the same way, we have assume it's a a rare material, we have to assume it's hard to make armour of, we have to assume no other person in an entire galaxy found out about this material and used it before now. This is not how you write a story inside an established universe, I shouldn't be assuming things but learning the truth.

[@krnatsu]

They clearly weren't the most media literate evidently. I finished my Creative Writing course a couple of weeks ago and whilst you DO learn to SHOW not TELL, it also key to note WHAT it is you show or tell. And one of the keys to anyone who wishes to become a writer or at least, critique media, is to be able to identify what you should TELL your audience and what you should SHOW your audience. Using shounen anime as an example, simply saying a character is a good fighter is bad, but showing their fighting is a better way to illustrate their skills. But during the fight, that character may use some supernatural ability or technique that the audience has not yet seen, and that is something you should explain to your audience, not just show them

[@krnatsu]

@@MajorSmurf agreed. These writers always back pedal on their points, because it's just cope. Why is Ki-Adi Mundi a member of the Jedi when he shouldn't be alive? Oh that's ONLY in Legends, he's alive in OUR Canon. Ok, then why is Smilo Ren wearing amour that blocks lightsabers when he isn't Mandalorian? Well if you read Canon then you'd know that. Disney is picking and choosing things to be Canon because they want/don't want it, not because it makes sense, not because there's any logical cohesion between these facts, it's simply because they have the power to decide what IS and ISN'T Canon, that they think they should

[@Avarn388]

@scrammuclownsnatch9656 My retort would be that the person’s argument is a very reductive take on the situation. Whenever you introduce something as significant as STOPPING a lightsaber it has ripple effects not just on this installments but past and future installments. You need to justify and explain that element and do so in a way that does not create major( I stress this word) inconsistencies within your world and story. It’s why I tell folks please be deliberate and careful with your choices. The old EU At least tried to square this peg with the metal being rare, hard to forge etc. Is it still a stretch? Yes but it’s better than this show where they drop it on you and barely do any setup. Heck you could have had Mae’s dagger be Cortosis and be the thing that allowed her to kill Jedi Trinity despite having a lightsaber.

[@falxblade1352]

...thats not how that phrase works, random that OP got into an argument with! You show dont tell emotions and subtext, not literally-unknown-until-now cheat gear!

[@PepsiMan666]

Yes, but don't you know people are starving in Africa?

[@Ron_Jambo_]

Apparently they aren't starving as much when a new Star Trek project comes out if RLM is to be believed 😅

[@Tentumon111]

"This is aimed at 12 year olds!" *Me, remembering the opening scenes of Ep 4, where it starts with a hallway full of people getting killed, Vader audibly snapping a mans neck, and a half hour later, Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru's charred corpses on full display* ... "For kids!"

[@LordInvictus-yt]

For 12 year olds? Even Sesame Street has better mystery plots than this. Lucas never said his movies were dumb when he used that defense. He just defended the occasional silly humor. He said 12 year olds were smart enough to get complex plots. His argument was not to lower the bar to sloppy plotting.

[@MajorSmurf]

Shonen is also targeted at young teens and look just how deep some of that story telling can get and themes it can touch on. There is also plenty of other material for teens that is close to adult themed, it just avoids being too explicit with certain things.

[@Lampoluke]

SW being for children should justify a more light harted tone or being a power fantasy. 12 years old me might have liked it, but in no way found it deep, especially since around that time I got into the Witcher books, MGS, Xenoblade, and Sergio Leone movies, which are all way deeper.

[@denkerbosu3551]

​@@MajorSmurf bro, isn't Jujutsu Kaisen technically a shounen? Looking at the later half of Season 2, try to say that again.

[@nananamamana3591]

It's wild how pervasive the "it's for kids" arguments has gotten. The show's rating directly contradicts it, as it has a *TV-14* rating, not 12. So it's not only factually wrong, bute it's also underselling the ability of children's media to tackle content 'adults' would understand. An animated cartoon like Filmoore was rated TY 7 and tackled racism, sexism, intrigue, nepotism/favoritism, and corruption in authority institutions in a way directly marketed to children *under* 12 with greater ability than The Acolyte. I don't like the series, but, The Clone Wars *also* does this. There's become this paired meme that shows like Clone Wars arent "for kids" because there's some violence and death in them, and that shows like The Acolyte ARE "for kids" because it has fantastical elements like space wizards with laser swords. It's very convenient for people this is the case because it allows them to arbitrarily give something merit, or, dismiss something's faults, entirely based on something like age demographics, as if that is an empirical measure of media literacy and/or maturity. What tells me these kinds of people are stupid, genuinely, *actually* stupid, is that they directly ignore how important it is (for both consumer and producer) that the content of a show be quality regardless of who it is intended for. If you, as a producer of content, make *BAD* content, then it doesnt matter WHO you market it to. If *CHILDREN* don't enjoy it, they wont attach themselves to it, you will LOSE out on that market once they become adults (something Star Wars is quite famous for *NOT* doing, as most of the fans of the property saw it as a child and retained their passion for it into adulthood), and as a CONSUMER of content, if the content you're consuming is poor quality then the messages it wants you to take away are less likely to *stick* with you, and this is *ESPECIALLY* true in children. You can not say "It's for kids, stop analyzing it so much" and "The messages are good and important" in the same breathe. If the messages are good and important than it is important the messages are conveyed as such that *ANYONE* watching it, children or adults, can enjoy the delivery, because if they *DONT* enjoy it they won't *INTERNALIZE* that. They won't SHARE that. They will say "this is a hilariously bad show. Lol and Lmao." and move on with their lives. And, ya know, they also ignore that media intended for children should, in fact, be the *best* media we can offer. Children are the future, and the content created for them should be done with the upmost care for its quality. You don't see Sesame Street or the Muppets, or Peppa Pig, or Batman: The Animated Series, or Bluey, or Paw Patrol, or Kids Next Door, or Ed Edd and Eddy, or Powerpuff Girls, or Spongebob, or *ANY OTHER SHOW FOR CHILDREN* making the same mistakes The Acolyte makes. It's just... so fucking baffling.

[@krnatsu]

​@@denkerbosu3551whilst I agree with your point, as a fan of JJK, I still think Major Smurf's point as a whole is accurate. JJK is an exception for how dark it is compared to other shounen, rather than the norm. But even then, a 12-14 year old could watch JJK and still grasp the plot, even if they'd be equally if not more scarred than me at 22 lol

[@hdl3044]

16:05 so he’s comparing Bluey to the Acolyte? Did I miss the neck snapping, murder and cults in Bluey?

[@reverbthevocal421]

I'm a bit annoyed by the Bluey slander from the guys, but they did say they're very unfamiliar with it, so that's fair.

[@hdl3044]

@@reverbthevocal421 they definitely weren’t 100% serious

[@pitadude9836]

The audacity of the first video creator to conflate Bluey with badly written shows on the grounds of "its a kid's show" shows he either A) has no knowledge of Bluey B) no respect for children, or both. Every episode of bluey has the "kid plot" and the "parent plot" and over the course of the episode they converge with Bluey and/or Bingo (the daughters in the primary family) learning a difficult truth in a gentle way. 11/10 for kids and families

[@flyinpigmusic331]

Bluey is awesome

[@just_a_tepig3611]

A clearly middle aged man is complaining that middle aged men are talking about star wars.

[@Doooooooooooood]

The Acolyte is asking you to suspend your belief in things that you've already suspended your beliefs for then kicked those suspended beliefs in the balls.

[@TheycallmeNoid]

I legit do not understand what these people are getting out of the Actolye, there’s nothing there it’s been 6 episodes and we’re still not sure just what the fuck is happening in this series except the invietable reveal that the Jedi did whatever the fuck they did to the witches. It does such a horrid job posing the ethical and moral questions it wants to pose it just leaves you scratching your head.

[@haku8135]

And the visual storytelling is so garbage we can't tell what killed the witches despite seeing their corpses up close, and they had zero wounds relating to lightsabers, and they SCREAMED before they died. The wookie was killed with a lightsaber and he had a bright ass mark across his chest, so it's obvious the witches weren't killed by either Jedi or Sith. They didn't have blaster marks on them either, so that's another thing that couldn't have killed them. They JUST fucking dropped dead. There's no way 4 Jedi could possibly kill ALL of them so easily and so quickly either, when their ENTIRE gimmick is using the force TOGETHER to increase their power. Just one of them instantly disabled one of them, so all of them together can at least put up a fight. It's so fucking bad, people have just had to assume green bean is a Sith that can change people's memories, and she's just mindfucking everyone, cause there's no other valid explanation for why they're all fucking dead. Also, they visually showed us OSHA being healed by Smylo in episode 5 at the end. We see this happen. Then in episode 6 we are very clearly shown that he's put a LARGE bandaging cloth on the wound that has already been healed, and this visually tells us that Smylo stripped her top off for no reason, then wrapped a non-existent wound, then put her top back on. So canonically, Smylo found an unconscious woman in a forest, took her to his home, which she cannot escape from and nobody else is around, exposed her bare titties to perform fraudulent medical care, and then put her shirt back on before she regained consciousness, logically he would need to KEEP her unconscious. Visual story telling, IS important.

[@giulizpaviz6381]

Here's my theories 1. The show have the message that they like to hear 2. Have 0 critical thinking 3. Are consoomers 4. Are paid by Disney

[@pacmanrespector9552]

We're almost there, guys. Almost a highlights video that's over 2 hours long 😂

[@AscendantStoic]

Well, to be fair if the EFAPs are getting to 11 hours then 2 is child's play 😅

[@denkerbosu3551]

​@@AscendantStoic actually, the recent efaps aren't even 6 hours long. Which I'm ok with, they're actually focusing on covering what they're discussing. This is why I prefer it when they do response streams. They know who's making a defense of trash and ehat their arguments are.

[@BlitzedNostradamus]

Hope you're doin' okay, Wolf.

[@GGHF]

I don't think it's good to defend a show you care about by saying, "Stop caring so much about it."

[@cjd2889]

The morality of an action is not dependent on whether the action is rewarded or punished. In fact, you could argue that it is when good actions incur a personal cost that they are at their most valuable.

[@krnatsu]

Just because a show is "made for 12 year olds", that does not exempt it from criticism of anyone outside of its demographic. Because by this absurd logic, non of the critics should be talking about this show, because surprise surprise, critics are not 12 year olds. It boggles my mind every time this argument gets made. "This piece of media wasn't made for you, so shut up and let others enjoy it". Firstly, no matter how ridiculous I may find the fact people unironically enjoy the Acolyte, I can not stop that SUBJECTIVE opinion from existing. However, I can provide arguments and evidence for why the show is OBJECTIVELY a bad show. I used to be a massive Power Rangers fan, and whilst it hasn't gone into the shit as bad as Star Wars has, its definitely declined in quality. When Saban took back ownership of the brand and returned with Samurai, I at 8-12 years old (I'm a 2001 baby, so I can’t remember the exact year Samurai came out), but even as the supposed target audience, I saw a drastic change in writing quality from RPM to Samurai. Ironic given how RPM was written by Disney, how times have changed. Regardless of the demographic, a show must be well written and if it is, people of all demographics should be allowed to praise it. Conversely, if a show is poorly written, those same people should also be allowed to rip it to shreads. And I'm sure the dult at the start already knows this, but just because a show is "made" for a certain demographic, that doesn't mean they're going to watch it. The Acolyte MIGHT be made for 12 year olds, but that doesn’t mean only 12 year olds will watch it. Going back to Power Rangers, I barely see/hear any of its demographic debating about "which of us gets to be the red ranger", its evident the only people who are actually watching Power Rangers were the fans they already had, many of them dropping the franchise because they disliked how it began talking down to their audience and disregarded what made them so successful. And Star Wars is this phenomenon is a MUCH larger scale, us fans are keeping this franchise alive and Disney would not be where they are without us. And the moment we say enough is enough and stop engaging with the product, Disney will find their pockets to be MUCH lighter

[@acedetective7280]

I’ve been watching some toku stuff recently like Kamen Rider and Super Sentai. I’ll happily take cheesey suits with decent fight choreography by stuntmen and pyrotechnics in an abandoned quarry over CGI masks and green screen backgrounds.

[@krnatsu]

@@acedetective7280 oh absolutely. Furthermore, Sentai and Kamen Rider don't talk down to their audience. They're very aware that children are not their only viewers and that's why to this day they are sticking kicking about. Don't get me wrong Gotchard and to a lesser extent Boonboomger (the current Rider and Sentai seasons respectively) haven't been as good as their recent predecessors, namely Zero One, Revice and Don Brothers, but they at least have consistent characters and choreography that's thought out and serves a purpose beyond just "fight scene look cool". And a note of the suit designs, they're another example of suits that are meant to say something. Zero One's feels sleek and high tech, a reflection of Aruto's status as the Hiden CEO. Revi and Vice look bright and bombastic, Revi having a more "Rider esc" look, whilst Vice looks more like a "Monster" as he's a Devil. My point is that Toei clearly knew what they were doing so far as having everything be part of a cohesive whole, meanwhile the Acolyte is a half assed mess that pretends like it knows what it's doing, when it couldn't give a shit

[@lusasedoux479]

Love You Wolf!❤

[@lordofthepizzapie9319]

Ghaaaaey!

[@willemwhite9016]

God if Disney's slop is intended for 12yr olds, i feel so fucking bad for those 12yr olds. (Who clearly arent watching it)

[@Wyzai]

12 year olds have standards. Not big standards, but still.

[@Ron_Jambo_]

​@@WyzaiHell I'm 30 and I'd rather watch skibidi toilet on loop for twelve hours than one episode of The Acolyte, or the future Rey Palpatine movie... Maybe Gen Alpha is right and destroying our own brains is the move to make 😂

[@zenkaiangel977]

"then don't watch it" is the dumbest argument, it's almost like if "we" were to say "if you don't like hearing about people who don't like a thing you like, then don't look at comments/don't go on social media", there are a lot of reasons why it doesn't just work that way 🤦‍♂️

[@piercedbylight]

The thing Disney seems to have forgotten: us "old guys" are the ones with the money to buy the merch. And now we're not.

[@MajorSmurf]

Well that twelve years old argument really looks bad when we have Ep6 being basically erotic fiction. Ah yes a full nude scene in a children's show (sure you don't see anything but it's clear what the writers wanted), although this is Disney so...

[@beowulfsrevenge4369]

There's audio descriptions of what happens in the show, and the portion for when Smilo is bathing is basically softcore pron.

[@TaoScribble]

9:22 "Television show primarily made for twelve year-olds" Yeah, after episode six, *_that don't fly._*

[@the-trustees]

IMAX level projection from the first shill (sounding a lot like Harris defending "Dark Souls 2") amusingly accusing REAL fans of "prejudging the show" when he is literally being PAID to prejudge EVERYTHING from Doucheney!!! 🙄

[@Sadovari]

God, thank you, Platoon, for bringing up how the choreography tells nothing in this show. Flashy lights, spins, that's it.

[@Xlen-omega]

The classic "just turn your brain off and enjoy."

[@PHHHP]

If someone avoids alternative opinions, it becomes actual torture to experience a disagreement. It hits pain receptors in your brain. It is healthy to regularly expose yourself... To ideas you might not like and challenge yourself to defend yourself. If anyone disagrees with this I will get irrationally angry and hide from the Internet.

[@Wyzai]

No.

[@laurelvandriest8005]

I was lucky to spend a lot of time working in a college town where I was often the only conservative in the room. Kept the mind sharp.

[@tkopp10976]

I hate when people try to defend bad productions as "art" and as such sancrosanct. All these movies and shows are studio noted to death, they are formulaic. There is nothing "artistic" about a multi billion dollar company spewing out product after product.

[@Wyzai]

brutalist architecture is a style. I guess slop qualifies as an art style of its own.

[@Slender_Man_186]

By a purely objective definition, it is art. The thing is, being art and being shit are not mutually exclusive.

[@serioush]

How are they ALL like this?

[@MegaDarkness5000]

I swear it's something in theses big city water that is causing this.

[@mattd5240]

It's because they're all fake. Not like AI generated fake, but they're putting on a mask fake.

[@thedoomtestament4547]

The Irish candy man tried to warn you

[@la_scrittice_vita]

They're sheep.

[@mozzdog]

Mae was never with the Jedi. OSHA bailed on being a Jedi. WTF is this guy talking about?

[@Avarn388]

These are the kinds of folks that I'd love to really understand what is it that they think is good or bad. Because they will use the "it's subjective" defense almost on instinct, like breathing, but I argue these folks who do defend this only care about the pretty colors and head canon. Harsh words but there's really nothing else I can think of. Because I know why I loved the OT for Star Wars. Like everything else it's about the character work. The story was simple but it had depth. Luke Skywalker was a whiny farmboy who dreamed of escaping and having an adventure. But as the trilogy went on, he matured, learning the importance of having faith in your friends, never giving up no matter what, and that nothing is set in stone. The last bit with Vader. It's such a great character arc. All in all, I am fine with these types saying if they want to casually engage with the content and only care for spectacle fine. But where I draw the line is when they try to assign quality to this. It sends a bad message to aspiring writers, saying that their efforts to work really hard to make consistent, compelling characters, plots and worlds should be for nothing. And I refuse to live in that world.

[@Wyzai]

I mean. it's what Mauler always says. They'll call it subjective and themey all the way until someone brings up a famously bad movie like The Room at which point they go "yeah, but that one's objectively bad."

[@LiteDnBFnatic]

The “physical dictionary” and “ignorance of technology” argument should definitely be used more. No one can convince me that the entire cast of characters should ever struggle with anything the show has given us. Why was Torbin not surrounded by ray shields? Why did OSHA have to go outside the ship to stop the fire and not a droid? Why does this galaxy not have a galaxy wide sport?

[@DeetotheDubs]

Blitzball would be fun. Or some variant.

[@emotionalfriend3864]

I think that what he finds "scary" about the fan reaction to The Acolyte in particular is that it's the first time he's been forced to confront the mortality of Star Wars. People do not like this trash and if Disney can't get people on board Star Wars is going to die. Even Disney can't afford to just lose money forever. As a lurker I can agree it definitely felt different this time around in terms of how overwhelming the negative response was compared even to garbage like Ahsoka and S3 of Mando. The backlash could not be ignored or disregarded as a "small minority" anymore. They are the minority and they're scared.

[@LordInvictus-yt]

The green bald lady investigates the deaths with a Jedi who has NO INTEREST IN WHY SOL EVEN WAS SENT THERE?

[@mhc706]

Toxic admiration is exactly what they do. Support something because it has the name of something you once loved. You can’t show any example of why it is good or why you support it, but claim it’s “the best” for no reason while calling other people’s opinions invalid and insulting them for not supporting your thing when they have valid reasons for not liking it.

[@haytonism]

I have to assume Mae is schizophrenic. It's the only way her character makes sense.

[@la_scrittice_vita]

I had similar ideas but suspected I was giving the show too much credit. 😞

[@Martinmd12-zt7vu]

People should really check out the film, Harakiri. The fight scenes in that movie are perfect examples of building character within a fight scene, rather than separating the two.

[@Adorni]

I have a sincere question: What - besides possibly Andor - is there to be a fan _of_ in Disney Star Wars? The universe was unique in that it comprised two sets of trilogies, some very solid games, a great set of books, comics, and two cartoon shows. If there was something you didn’t care for, you could find it one of the other options. As each had an amazing amount of depth and quality to them, far more than any of the bad spots. Now, though? What is there to get invested in? What’s there to keep you coming back? Baby Yoda? Shallow, desperate key-jangling? Farts? Vapid mystery box misdirection? The _single_ fight scene that’s kind of decent? What does Disney Star Wars have that you can’t get the same or better versions of, elsewhere?

[@a_fine_edition2746]

They have still been making books and comics, some of which are alright or even great. But lots of them can be bogged down by the current continuity, or even just get retconned by the shows.

[@Adorni]

@@a_fine_edition2746 I think that most of those that are considered good/great are the “canon” books dealing with things like Darth Vader and the establishment of the Empire. And I don’t want to throw shade at the writers for that, but when I refer to “Disney Star Wars,” the stuff I’m referring to specifically are: The High Republic, The Sequel Trilogy, Solo: A Star Wars Story, The Mandalorian, Ahsoka, The Book of Bobba Fett, The Acolyte, and any comics or books that are centered around them. I don’t really think that there’s a lot to do with them that’s really good, and certainly not anything that can’t be found better, elsewhere. But if there is, I’d be interested to hear what it is, and what’s so good about it. (Jedi Outcast and its sequel are games I’m not sure of, by the way. I don’t know if they “count” as “Disney Star Wars,” exactly. But it might be that they do, and I suppose that’s fair enough if one wanted to vouch for them.)

[@a_fine_edition2746]

The High Republic ranges from meh to okay or even good at times. It has some ideas that are interesting and others I just do not care for at all. I’ve read a decent chunk of it, and the characters just don’t always click with me. The villains are too numerous and unthreatening, and there’s this almost sickly sweet air of “goody-two-shoes”-ness regarding most of the main Jedi characters. They’re way too overly nice and upstanding, and it was really jarring to the point I was expecting there to be another shoe to drop. It’s a similar issue with most of the protagonists and heroes, be they Jedi or otherwise. The Republic Chancellor was someone I was so convinced was too much of a nice person that she’d inevitably be revealed to be a villain. But they didn’t do that. Regardless, I actually know a couple of people who are honestly pretty annoyed that The Acolyte will be most people’s first major exposure to the era, and will likely dissuade people from delving any further into it. This show really doesn’t represent the High Republic all that well, which becomes pretty apparent considering it’s set 100 years after any of the media coming out of it. Although to be fair, the era is very vast and expansive, with the second wave of the publishing effort jumping back 150 years from the current timeframe they were in (which honestly hurt their efforts more than anything since all of the characters and story we’d gotten in wave 1 were put on hold so we could be given more stuff that’s hardly even relevant to what’s happening currently in wave 3, when we jump back to the main era). I’ve heard the Jedi games are actually not bad in terms of story, though I haven’t played them so I couldn’t really say. Overall I understand the feeling of wanting to separate the good and bad content under the Disney banner, but I feel like it creates a devaluing disconnect between the actual quality content and the bad shows. It’s like with Andor; yes, most are perfectly happy to distinguish it apart from the rest, but it was still made under Disney, and that shouldn’t be ignored. Rather, it should be explored as to why it was so good despite the seeming lack of quality control.

[@Sokushinbutsu_Siamang]

First essayist got that Gollum physique. Achievable natty???

[@EdgarFriendlysCivicsTeacher]

"Gym bros and doctors hate him!"

[@The_Brickster]

Shouldn’t the title be “Acolyte shills crawl out in full Thread.”?

[@Xxgxxaxx]

Any day with EFAP is a good day

[@kadalsaurus6232]

1:48:30 ONE PIECE btw, its huge world and Oda often forgot things he created and relies on fan database.

[@ViolentMessiah666]

The amount of mental gymnastics & cope from the shills is glorious, sounds like half the time they're trying to convince themselves more than their audience while the rest of us laugh

[@jackneeson591]

WOLF! Can you clip the Wilford Brimley (Alive) Saga?

[@Ron_Jambo_]

RIP Wilford Brimley (Dead)

[@antzantz19antz]

I will die on the hill, Bluey is awesome, way better than any crap Disney SW put out!

[@la_scrittice_vita]

I have no idea what it is, but I 100% believe it is better than any crap Disney puts out.

[@lordmontymord8701]

The discussion about the Jedi reporting back their encounter with Smilo is so funny considering in the first episode we had Trinity using a communicator to inform others that she encountered an unknown force-user. That made it look like it is a big deal for the Jedi to report things like that.

[@SleightlyPersonal]

As a 30yo father of a 1yo, Bluey frickin’ rocks. The dad, Bandit, is something to look up to. Lets himself be the butt of the joke at times, but also able to use games and his daughters’ more selfish actions to teach them lessons. And he pretty much reacts to things like any guy would. Absolutely belongs in the Media Dads Hall of Fame. That’s not to mention the many other ways Bluey is a high quality show.

[@ProjectRedfoot]

I didn't pre-c*m, but you PROBABLY ARE pregnant!

[@lanterns_glow]

But remember, we're not allowed to criticize it because the main character is a woman, the Force is Female, and it's stunning and brave

[@Wyzai]

1:00:36 Watching/reading something with a critical mind doesn't mean you hate everything. I've been doing it more and I notice on average I enjoy manga a little less, but the contrast makes me value good manga more highly. What it actually does is it allows me to recognise the patterns in bad manga and realise why I dont like some things. I've drawn the line as a 3/10, but you could call it whatever number you desire. A fairly straightforward problem this category I call 3/10 has is that it contrasts its premise. In simple cases its contrasting the title of the manga / light novel with its plot. Some examples: Loner Life in Another World: protagonist has a harem and lots of friends despite his self-proclaimed obsession with being alone. Insanely Talented Player: protagonist does not understand the gacha mechanic his power is based on. In his defense, nobody else does either. He is the smartest idiot. a less obvious case is World After the Fall where Earth is a supposedly obscure world, but it's relevant everywhere. Earth themed places and products just pop up all over the place and earthlings wander around the other worlds in plentiful numbers. Maybe the takeaway is supposed to be that the main character has insane luck and plot convenience and draws in earth themed things on a galactic scale. I call it contradictory writing. Doesn't mean the entire thing is bad just because a plot is heavily reliant on convenience, contradictory or not very good. I can still enjoy the art and 2 out of the 3 examples have other things going for them: WATF has a unique world and interesting ideas. It's just a shame it didn't get a redraft. ITP has a good protagonist. It's an interesting case of in-universe recognition that heroism is kind of dead. As much as the protagonist is a hero and does heroic things, he also ponders the irony of standing at the frontlines to protect a world that seems to want nothing more than to take down its protector and destroy itself for fleeting glory and profit. With one of these I can think of a direct comparison: I Just Want to Game in Peace has an introvert (loner) protagonist. That means he's not the type to go out and do things. Most of the events of the plot happen because other characters have their own agendas that he gets swept into. If the world would leave the protagonist alone, it's highly likely he would just sit and play his game. There are several differences to the above mangas, but the lack of foundational contradictions is an easy thing to praise.

[@ObsessedwithZelda2]

Wait the helmet actually looks like that? I assumed it was a joke I wasn't privy to when I saw it in thumbnails. Like a random larper photoshoot that was being used to refer to a character as a joke, not the actual character

[@fr0ck360]

My personal issue with modern lightsaber fight is that they barely use the force at their disposal. Like show the Sith blocking force push or something

[@adriansanmartin5773]

I really hope they are getting a good paycheck. I can't believe there are so many people willing to lick the boot for free.

[@la_scrittice_vita]

Hopefully they see how fast Dis turned on Jenny Nicholson and find some other boots to lick.

[@robmartin525]

As a 12 year old I was completely aware of the shadow-self Obviously, the shadow of Robotboy was Nanoboy, and he was so much cooler

[@Dr.LightMarker5613]

Or Forte to Rockman lol

[@goodnaturedgamer8181]

Unironically Bluey is great.

[@yusivishnu]

52:39 Nobody expects the Acolyte Inquisition !!

[@kasaibouF29]

26:34 🤏 Tactile.

[@adammcnabb3874]

BBC itv did a lot of good young and drama in the 80's. and 90's

[@jameslikesit]

I absolutely hate the argument that something is "made for kids". Just because something may be made for kids, doesn't mean it has to be garbage lol. Clone Wars, Rebels, etc were animations made for basically kids/young adults and aired on Cartoon Network. Both of them still have pretty well established stories, characters and deep emotional moments. Yeah there's some shit episodes in those series as well, but there's way more good than bad. These people just don't know how to make a good show.

[@ingrowsmith5148]

The problem with these shills (especially the Bald and Blackrocked and Soylent Crew) is that they're acting as if Disney Star Wars was some whimiscal masterpiece, that's worth defending despite its flaws. "Hah hah stormtrooper boonked his head guys, it so whacky! Space wizard children!" Guys, we're past the head boonking level here. In this iteration of Star Wars the stormtrooper stripped half naked, scrawled satanic symbols on his body with poop, before taking a power drill to its cranium while speaking in tongues. Darth Vader had to send the other troopers to therapy and took a week off work after the incident. Palpatine sanctioned the day to be a national holiday in support of veteran trooper PTSD.

[@ArchangelExile]

The background in the beginning of the video where the bald guy is talking looks like she Doctor Strange met the Ancient One in the MCU.

[@anv_bis7287]

4:45 I wonder if this is how California thinks.

[@KazeVongola]

I honestly think that these people are just professional contrarians: "B-but the Original Trilogy was also bad!" "B-but Disney Star Wars is actually good!" "The good guys were actually the real villains!" "The bad guys were just misunderstood!" "If you criticize the thing I like then you're being violent!" "If you're not violent towards the thing I hate then you're a bad person!" etc. Another thing, why are these people always so smug? Can't these people talk like grown adults rather than snarky children?

[@kingragnarok7302]

Ah, Blind Wave... I enjoy some of their reactions but boy they have low standards, which is weird cause they recognize good things like Arcane and such.

[@Kvssett]

Yeah, if anything I’d say they’re the “lesser of two evils,” yet.. everything can satisfy them…

[@Gioven740]

Hi Wolf!

[@Rickmagnus911]

Watching the defense of this show makes me feel like watching someone defend taking the blue pill and staying in The Matrix.

[@a_lost_one]

18:01 This freeze-frame after the guy says 'for me, it was one of the best episodes of Star Wars TV,' just... There's a total disconnect from what he's saying and his body language. The corners of his mouth go up, one of his eyebrows goes up, and his eyes have that surprised look, as if he's pleading for people to believe him. To me, this screams 'I don't believe what I'm saying but I have to say it.' Absolutely disingenuous.

[@blairpearson9791]

Rob Roy has one of the best sword fights and their in just one room no music

[@dokwalk621]

This Damien feller behaves like a child when you point out flaws in his logic. I'm not surprised he thinks the acolyte is good 😂

[@andreacorrin2565]

Punished for good actions...I didn't realise Acolyte was scooping from the well of De Sade's Justine.

[@InitiallyJayKay]

2 hour highlight? Pathetically short

[@PhillipOnTakos]

My goodness the video felt like I was watching a GDELB but it was serious.

[@julietdelta9]

Bro bluey has episodes dealing with death, religion, evolution, and depression. It's done in a way that kids can get the basics but adults can get the higher concepts. You guys should watch it or at least watch the breakdowns.

[@danielwilliams7562]

Ive thought about Rags comments about how some of the older Star Wars stuf has a better sense of tangiability over the newer stuff. Old Star Wars felt grounded in reality more, even know that it's sci-fi

[@Zant5976]

I remember coming across my older brother's Star Wars VHS tapes as a kid and thinking they were some nerd shit and that I'd never like it. Then I watched them and immediately loved the story, characters, and worlds. There is no way a kid these days will like this garbage outside of acolyte episode 5, and that's strictly because of the flashing lights on the superficial layer. It will never have staying power.

[@Elizabelle79]

Anyone else listen to the entire end bit coz EFAP only feels complete with Wolf's voice included?

[@Ewil.Bluetooth]

The only argument needed to shut this guy up and either expose him or have him himself throwing dangerous accusations towards the Headlamp, is to ask him to explain why a show for 12 year olds was made to be the queerest show ever. Make him justify why a kids show should be queer.

[@TunezCottage]

I get people defending this in my comments and it's always the stupidest takes I've ever heard. Haven't seen a single good argument for The Acolyte. Why? Because you''d have to think to find em and if you're the kind of person that enjoys this show you don't exactly use your brain.

[@la_scrittice_vita]

The best thing about the acolyte is it identified about a thousand twitter accounts to mute.

[@TunezCottage]

@@la_scrittice_vita If I had to do that much work I'd just delete twitter there and then haha

[@crage222]

1:13:00 - The fella in the video, his eyes light up when he thinks he's making a coherent point without any fact whatsover. That look of waiting for the positive feedback loop to take over from his friend. This shows what happens when feelings are more important than logic. If feels better to just believe... IF you just believe... then you'll believe.... All you gotta do is pretend to believe, prove to yourself its okay to deceive. Just tell your mind to lie to your soul and let the fright of Bob take control. 'Cause, All you gotta do is pretend to believe and you'll meet Bob up in Disney heaven. Wonder Showzen

[@mrdropkicker1]

That last bit sounded like something Xavier the Renegade Angel would say

[@la_scrittice_vita]

Yeah, the eyes lighting up is basically the dog when he hears somebody in the kitchen. Is that the crinkle of the bag of treats being opened?

[@garrettcrowl1294]

For some reason I would imagine prisoner transports being designed like Airplanes somewhat now, like how they load your luggage. The cells put with a door leading to space with no way to access from the main parts of the ship. Furthermore, the stuff unlocking in case of power outage or whatever is probably because our prison systems nowadays are REQUIRED to unlock if they lose power. The reason for this is because a lot of people died during Katrina being locked up, so now if you live in an area with an electronic prison, just know it's possible for everyone to walk out if stuff really hits the fan or the power goes out.

[@MajorSmurf]

See here's the thing, stories always need to explain things and sometimes the only way to do it is through dialogue. Yes it's not the most imaginative thing to do but characters need to have a knowledge and give voice to their feelings/opinions/motives and so on and explain things that to other characters and by proxy the audience. For example a character known for being a healer would explain how a certain medicine works to X character who isn't one, she might go to say why she became a healer. The Acoytle is incapable of doing that, the most basic rule of story-telling. We the audience aren't in that writers room, The writer might have a thousand pages of notes but I wasn't in the room with them. If you need me to know something than TELL ME either through visuals or dialogue now yes it is a very fine balance but a good writer knows how to do that. They can't even portray character motives correctly, there is never any way for me to feel for a character because they all just flip on a dime when the writer is bored of that arc. Meh, I'm bored of the assassin arc let's make her care for her sister for no reason. There is no change there, even in the flashback the two twins weren't close at all. They were seen fighting constantly although of course knowing this show the Jedi somehow implanted fake memories into Osha. God what an insane skill to have, imagine all the psychopaths you can put back on the right path by giving them happier childhood memories.

[@paulware4701]

As a kid I hated kids shows, with the exception of the Gerry Anderson series which never seemed like kids shows to me because their heroes were all adults (I was born in 1960; you can do the math on how old I was when the various shows came out but Thunderbirds, Gerry's magnum opus, was around 1965/66 so I couldn't have been older than six). I loved all the ITC action-man series like Man in a Suitcase, the Saint, the Persuaders, Department S, etc. and, of course, the ABC show The Avengers. When Star Trek aired in the UK I was about eight or nine and I was hooked from the very first episode (Where No Man Has Gone Before in the UK). Many kids shows actually did talk down to the viewers and that was why I hated them. Gerry's shows, and Doctor Who, and Star Trek, all treated the viewers - of whatever age - with respect. You piss off a young audience at your peril, because you will never get them back.

[@BigBroTejano]

For anyone curious about Bluey just go watch the video FlashGitz made recently, and remember, the God-Emperor protects.

[@brettlivingston595]

Everytime I hear Smilo Renn (don't care how it's spelt, you shouldn't either) I think of a Jedi who looks like Doc from back to the future with a huge, maniacal grin on his face at all times. Can't take it seriously.

[@user-ib3hk7rq3n]

9:32 - how do 12 yo children purchase Disney subscriptions?

[@itsjusttap3010]

Is it acceptable for a 4 billion dollar IP to keep failing and not keep pointing that out?

[@twizzle1112]

Who are these two reviewers at the end of the show?