Red Letter Media Simps for Kenobi | EFAP Highlight

The guys look at a video from RLM defending the Obi-Wan Kenobi show. It's pretty poor.
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[@jeremyusreevu237]

It will always be funny to see Anti-EFAP people pretend that Red Letter Media is on their side. Like, who do they think Nerd Crew is making fun of?

[@nmr7203]

They think the Nerd Crew is making fun of people like the efap crowd.

[@TrueGamer22887]

They also arnt on efap types “side” they don’t have a side they just love movies

[@toadsandmarkers4347]

Lol, what if I'm anti point at the screen complaining on the internet. When they actually make something and make it known then I'll take them seriously. Internet critics are just jobless editorial staff. Why do you think shad can't write but gives advice to Brandon Sanderson.

[@SammEater]

RLM is more centrist if anything. I like those dudes, but I don't need to agree with everything. Especially some of their takes on certain films or series.

[@bashamd96]

​@@toadsandmarkers4347"You gotta make something to review things like it" is such a shit argument that it was thrown out before Lucas ever made Star Wars

[@mitchellalexander9162]

>Disney's Kenobi. No. Fuck Off. No Solicitors. >EU's Kenobi Novel. Come In! Come In! We would be happy to welcome you in! Have a Beer!

[@Ayahuasca98]

If it has kenobi leaving his hovel in the jundland wastes, then it’s automatic trash

[@pubcle]

@@Ayahuasca98 The EU Kenobi novel is one of him as a youngling & padawan. There is a different story with him leaving the hovel, I don't really recall it, but I think it was alright & far more reasoned with the goal of protecting Luke.

[@PatrickOMulligan]

Screw both.

[@omsaxena116]

​@@PatrickOMulligan For no reason at all? The novel's great.

[@fusionspace175]

Mike and Rich are suffering deep PTSD here, Picard Traumatic Stress Disorder. That's the only reason they go so easy on Kenobi.

[@ElvenRaptor]

I'll admit, Kenobi is a walk in the part compared to Picard.

[@iamjurell]

Or because they don't approach brands as fetish?

[@Benevolent_sociopath]

@@iamjurellDid you read ptsd as bdsm or something? How did fetish come into this?

[@hafirenggayuda]

Yeah, after seeing Picard, Kenobi seems tolerable

[@iamjurell]

@@Benevolent_sociopath since people like you became creepily attached to brands to the point of using them as pornography-- as an aside, do you think all words mean the literal version of what you take them to mean right now and always had the same meaning?

[@mylastaccountgotdeletedtha6936]

So… Prequels suck more than they actually do, but Kenobi show good? 🤨

[@Ayahuasca98]

I think both are terrible

[@onionhat745]

The prequels were worth watching, if only for the music, character design and Ian McDiarmid having the time of his life. I wouldn't call them good movies, but they are really fun at times. By contrast, I don't know what anyone sees in Disney Star Wars, it's somehow even more cynical than Ewoks and Jar-Jar.

[@Ayahuasca98]

@@onionhat745 jar jar and Ewoks aren’t bad

[@The_child-catcher]

​​@@onionhat745the prequels were a story worth telling, they just failed with the execution. Even so the prequels were still much better than the Disney sequels.

[@VinylMorpheus]

@@Ayahuasca98people are Binary thinkers. They have to pick a side.

[@PoopaChallupa]

Star Wars Kenobi is the most disappointing thing since my son... No, my other Son, Leslie Headland.

[@LtCaveman]

Lesbi Headlamp is coming after you now for hating her

[@TheMaleRei]

"Since she graped all those women alongside Haaarrrrvvvveeeyyyyy!!!"

[@TheMaleRei]

2nd attempt... "Not since she betrayed her sisters to Hhhhaaarrrvvveeeeyyyyy!!!"

[@Daxinar0]

There's some layers to this one...!

[@user-ns4zm8qe9p]

Lesbian headlamp

[@user-rb6rt2kx9i]

I wonder why people even call RLM "star wars fans" in the first place. They have always been dismissive about Star Wars because they believe Star Trek is superior in any capacity. This is the main complaint in the Plinkett's Star Trek the 2009 movie review: "they made Star Wars out of my Star Trek" and offered JJ Abrams to film Star Wars instead. They were never Star Wars fans

[@LtCaveman]

You're aware there are 3 star wars movies made from 1977 to 1983 right? Those are the Star Wars they like. I'm the same, everything after that has been absolute garbage.

[@TheMaleRei]

​@LtCaveman Mike says Star Wars is like Walmart. Truly the words of a fan. He's huffed too much Star Trek. I agree that Star Wars is basically Space Opera. And Star Trek is sci-fi for people who don't like sci-fi.

[@TheMaleRei]

​@@LtCaveman Might not have been Mike... I forget the names... Can't be bothered to check.

[@Fedorevsky]

They're not an entity, some of them prefer Star Wars some Star Trek

[@MundaneThingsBackwards]

I could tell they were plenty fans of Star Wars from the plinkett reviews alone. They weren't out just to trash the prequels but to praise the originals for the things they got right. They know more about Star Wars than the average fan by far. PS Jay isn't even a fan of Trek. He hasn't seen ANY of the TV if the STD reviews by Mike and Rich are still current.

[@pacmanrespector9552]

I want to get on a panel with Rich Evans and talk about how they should make a show where Data and Kirk hang out and just other random Trek Canon breaking fun ideas and see him have a meltdown because when its Trek all of a sudden you gotta take lore super seriously

[@zumzoom6368]

He wouldn't care about hypothetical holy-wars, too tired of the bullshit for that.

[@trygveplaustrum4634]

18:47 Vader screamed, the last of his hatred hissing out with the last of his breath as his life support systems were crushed by the weight of boulders. He knew his final words would echo through eternity. *“You’re a twat, Obi-Wan!”*

[@woodwyrm]

"yer a twot, Obie Won!"

[@Quirrel]

I like Red Letter Media but their Star Wars takes are one of the worst.

[@theabsolutetrashman3708]

For the longest time I was convinced that Rogue One was a bad movie for having "too much fanservice", which there's definitely an argument to be made there for and against using elements of your own universe that people already know, but calling it downright bad while praising the Force Awakens ? Yeah, fuck that, reviewing too much bad Star Trek media has done irreparable damage to their brains lol

[@petewisdom1984]

Their take on the new Matrix movie was... something else.

[@Red-zh7vq]

I don’t like RLM because their Star Wars takes are the worst

[@Ron_Jambo_]

I'm sure you like RLM out of nostalgy and disagree with most of their recent takes.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

@@Ron_Jambo_ Most of their recent takes are them just taking the piss and being contrarian because there's nothing left to say about Star Wars they haven't already said years ago and they only do it now because people pester them until they do it. Kind of like how John Lithgow hates Shrek but loves his Don Quixote movie no one cares about.

[@trygveplaustrum4634]

*Yo, remember when they predicted that The Rise of Skywalker would feature time travel?*

[@ElvenRaptor]

To be fair, "Star Wars: Rebels" had just done time travel around the time when they predicted that.

[@josecano326]

You are right, Rise of skywalker was much more stupid than time travel

[@jack.h99]

That was a great video, almost as good as Top Ten Things You Didn't Know About Vader's Suit

[@willbeard4835]

That would have been better than whatever we got.

[@timewarpdrive77]

@@jack.h99 That video was retarded. "We're gonna make fun of details someone pulled out a visual dictionary

[@grantjohnson5499]

"No one can do a whole lot..." So LucasArts totally didn't make an MMO that takes place in between Episodes 3 and 4 that lasted 8 years...

[@timewarpdrive77]

The Kenobi novel! The wide array of old EU stuff just disproves RLM.. but they don't know about any of it because they're not star wars fans.

[@stonedskeptic4146]

RLM fell off, they are going soft. Theyve been stuckmanized

[@mac1991seth]

"That a**hole with red background on KZbin."

[@RM_VFX]

They've never been great movie reviewers, or writers. Their strength is riffing and goofing.

[@mac1991seth]

How nice. My reply is gone, but I'm getting notified about replies in this thread. Fuck KZbin.

[@stonedskeptic4146]

@@mac1991seth I know that feeling all too well.

[@khamburger233]

@@mac1991seth blud replying with his primary yt name XD

[@HectorLopez0217]

“You’re breaking my heart!” RLM: Because of Obi-wan?

[@DarthBobCat]

Just hit me. They should have put Obiwan in a position where he can either kill Vader or save Luke. Choose between settling the score and preserving the future.

[@seeinred]

Great idea. Too bad the creators of that tv series are closer to an actual rock in terms of intelligence, than to you :D

[@willfanofmanyii3751]

"Good bye, Darth." Obi-Wan raises his saber over Vader's head, only to turn and block incoming shots from Stormtroopers. The troopers swarm the canyon as Obi-Wan flees into the darkness. Still choking, Vader realizes who is standing before him. "I told you to stay out of it, Grand Inquisitor." "The Emperor wishes to speak with you, my Lord."

[@XenoSpyro]

"kill Vader or save Luke" The Mr. Freeze strategy.

[@timewarpdrive77]

According to the ROTS novelization, thats essentially what happened. While Obi-wan stood atop of shore of the river of fire, Palpatine's shuttle was in orbit and landing. He could have chosen to go mercy kill vader, but it would have put him in a very bad spot given all the magma and loose gravel. He decieded to instead leave the former jedi and escape the planet.

[@kingleech16]

Or have Obi-Wan lose their final battle in such a way that Vader thinks he's dead until A New Hope.

[@patrioticcat5768]

Moist critical is the same. They'll say how awful some things are and what odd choices they made for the show and criticize it...only to do a 180 and say stupid like "the choreography was good and they eXpAnDeD oN tHe lOrE" and just start praising it. As if they're unsure of what they saw so they nitpick what was "good" but sound unsure. Idk why they can't just admit they have no thought or care instead of trying to praise nothing.

[@Ayahuasca98]

RLM buckbreaks Moist critical

[@liquidladdy]

Doug Walker is the originator of that style of meandering. "THIS MOVIE IS HORRIBLE" then his final sentiments sound something like "This movie has its flaws but overall, it's alright". It's this weird tactic to give your criticisms without seeming negative.

[@charlesruteal9062]

​@@liquidladdyYeah, I used to really like that sort of perspective ("oh, he's being nuanced"), but now words like that ring hollow to me if you don't explain how and why you made that conclusion. I watch Doug for a quick-ish mouth exhale, he rarely goes into detail for a point.

[@Phaeron123]

It's just the spineless behavior of critics that don't want to be seen as 'toxic'

[@redundantchosen1]

i genuinely fucking hate moist's takes sometimes. and that's why i don't ever consider him a fucking reviewer. beucase most of the time, nobody actually cares about his score.

[@dannyboy5008]

RLM often make the conscious decision to not be critical or to be incredibly dismissive and unreasonable. They'll literally just say "eh i dont care, its fine, its just star wars, it was always dumb, etc." And theyll insist if you decide to be critical where they choose not to be, youre a man baby.

[@Hashbrown1682]

They can't get rid of the prequel hate Their foundation is built on that

[@Israfel36]

"He DiDn'T _dO_ mUcH. wHaT DiD hE rEaLlY dO?" He beat the shit out of a Tuskan Raider to save Luke and then gave him a laser sword, brought him to a bar surrounded by people that would kill them if discovered, hires a shady smuggler that had _just_ killed someone to fly them, cuts off someone's arm *in said bar* with his own laser sword to save Luke-- again, begins to train Luke in the art of laser swording, and finally directs everyone to a deadly space station the size of a moon to save a princess, that he plays a key part in saving. He does _all_ of that with in the first 30 minutes he's on screen, so I say he did quite a lot. He was also an integral part to a prophecy about balancing the force but whatever boring character.

[@dragonknightleader1]

Obi wan didn't technically attack that Tusken Raider. He showed up and his mere presence got them to run away; it's implied that he fought the Sand people before and they were afraid of his laser sword and magic powers. But yes, he was an important character.

[@Israfel36]

@dragonknightleader1 Excuse me: he had beaten so many up in the past his mere presence was enough to scare off three tusken raiders.

[@kingleech16]

@@Israfel36 Everyone fears Alec Guinness. Just watch "Kind Hearts and Coronets" and you'll know why. 😀

[@reinforcedpenisstem]

He was great

[@dragonknightleader1]

This video aged surprisingly well with their Acolyte video.

[@Gioven740]

Not saying hi to Wolf is distasteful…………TO ME

[@pacmanrespector9552]

Redlettermedia made their bones off tearing apart the prequels and just seethe that everyone appreciates them now

[@Dragblacker]

They get extra drunk each time they remember it.

[@AbrasiousProductions]

I don't like ANY of the Star Wars films, that entire franchise was always overrated, even the first one was nothing but a barrage of special effects in place of a compelling story and well written characters that you actually care about

[@cesarcampos8746]

​@AbrasiousProductions gay

[@AbrasiousProductions]

@@cesarcampos8746 I'm bi but close.

[@Ruairoquai]

They are terrible movies. Worse than the sequels in some ways.

[@CrazyKoenie]

This was before they pretty much stopped doing Half in the bag because of all the generic superhero movies etc. I think they felt compelled to review Kenobi but I’m pretty sure none of RLM crew remember a single scene from Kenobi today

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

Yeah, a lot of people in the comments coping about this being some complex revenge plot because the prequels when it's just that they really don't care about Star Wars as much anymore and are just enjoying the trashfire like the rest of us.

[@iamjurell]

​@@Lobsterwithinternetyeah people are confused by their refusal to fetishize the brand

[@hafirenggayuda]

Aye, even RLM tired complaining about stuff. Kenobi is not awful enough nor that interesting to be invested with

[@iamjurell]

@@hafirenggayuda ding ding ding! They also don't have a vested interest in hate-watching hot button shows for short term clicks, so they don't do the sensational nonsense either

[@pubcle]

@@hafirenggayuda It is that awful.

[@MagerBlutooth]

This must be the podcast that William Shatner watched.

[@goldenrider2068]

RLM are fun idiots but still idiots. They really cannot be taken as serious reviewers. Especially regarding Star Wars. I don't know how they're both so ignorant & stubborn about it when they clearly have the ability to discern bad writing & continuity. Mike can remember all this stuff about Star Trek & point out the issues. But he simultaneously doesn't understand what he's talking about with Star Wars but acts like an expert while dismissing corrections as he just doesn't care. It's very frustrating.

[@hafirenggayuda]

The older they are, less focused and lazier they become. They also basically have no interest whatsoever with current starwars. Their Kenobi review is like last minute essay that only done to fill quota

[@dragonknightleader1]

@@hafirenggayuda Which begs the question why they even bothered in the first place. Unlike other KZbinrs that have to do the content grind, RLM posts videos whenever they feel like and the subject matter is on bad 80s B movies generally. Talking about Star Wars isn't something they want to do.

[@hafirenggayuda]

​@@dragonknightleader1yeah, their BOTW are the most genuine and happy they look. I kinda think Kenobi review is their "obligation".

[@Bulletproof_Trump]

Destiny thinks the fights scenes in the sequels are better than the prequels? I knew the dude was an idiot, but I had no idea how vast the depths of his idiocy were.

[@timewarpdrive77]

I don't like using the word hater... but some people are just prequel haters

[@arklaw8306]

He seriously asked why Obi-Wan should care about Leia and Luke?

[@arklaw8306]

Bruh.

[@bowiehunter]

I'm really often impressed by how many times people just mis-remember shit in the movies and then ask "well didn't this character say such and such" and it's completely wrong. If you don't remember it, then don't say anything until you see it again.

[@basedggallin4556]

What I got from their review of Kenobi is that Mike is done with franchises Jay has always had some odd takes and Rich found enjoyment in it cause he genuinely does not care about Star Wars one tiny bit

[@Jay_Baumans_Stuntdouble]

Exactly, I also think their standards for Star Wars are so low, that anything that vaguely resembles entertaining is good enough to warrant a "meh" verdict.

[@TheMaleRei]

Giving something praise because someone doesn't like an IP it's a part of is... Dishonest unless it's frequently stated as a qualifier...

[@iamjurell]

​@@TheMaleReihow is 'meh' praise and when have they been anything but forthright in their total apathy for star wars?

[@dragonknightleader1]

Jay here was giving the most honest assessment out of the three here. Rich's takes are the worst because a lot of his hatred of Star Wars comes from it having a religious bent. Which is funny considering that the Jedi did use science to understand the Force and that's how they discovered midichlorians.

[@iamjurell]

@@dragonknightleader1 ah yes, the famously popular and never-heard-of-again midichlorians from the much-loved Phantom Menace, jewel of the Star Wars series....

[@Sousabird]

Kenobi is one of those shows that I just don't understand how you can like. Like at least the prequels had some incredible fights., Here, Obi Wan got bullied by Darth Vader and then threw rocks at him.

[@m.c.murdoch6]

Now they're defending Acolyte. lol

[@jasper_of_puppets]

Tell me, what is their defense of The Acolyte?

[@user-dnf83n0s8sg9u]

Literally didn’t even defend it

[@Rihcterwilker]

​@@user-dnf83n0s8sg9u The acolyte made retcons to stablished lore, which led to changes to the wiki. RLM said "there are people starving in Africa" to devalue such criticism. That is a defense that they would not make, were it star trek. They have different metrics for science fiction, like star wars is a lesser franchise that should not abide to stablished rules and lore, like it is irrelevant to be consistent.

[@khamburger233]

@@Rihcterwilker they ARE being consistent in being partial to ST as they were from the very start. Even if they HATE something, it will still be in a good nature to where they will joke around and use dismissive cliche throwaway statements like "there's starving people all over the world". Only someone who would interpret that as literal would find fault in it. The clip following the statement obviously solidified it as a joke. People are comparing their criticisms they made over 10 years ago. When 1. At the time, prequels WERE the worst thing out then. 2. Making fun of the prequels was fashionable to way beyond critics and reviewers. And no backlash for disliking something like there is today. I do agree they need to hold even their guilty pleasures to the same standards of scrutiny. But I feel like they do enough random shit OTHER than movie reviewing for them to give SW the attention that they would in the past because thats what got them popular. I mean they did dust off the old Nerd Crew stuff when Madame Web came out. Maybe the finale of Acolyte will inspire them to do the review most people would have expected. I just feel like its not as "fun" to make fun of shit anymore. You get put into too many critical columns now when you wanna razz something. :(

[@Rihcterwilker]

@@khamburger233 what Mike said was a real argument. There was no layers of irony to "there are kids starving in Africa", it was not a skit. Mike point-blank says a retcon does not matter, because for him, it really does not matter. They don't think small details matter in Star Wars, and they've made that point clear time and time again. Remember the Darth Vader doll video where they (in a jokingly and dismissive way) point out what every button in his armor does, to show how irrelevant these details are? There you go.

[@Lyko5]

I thought the Kenobi series would be about Obi1 learning to live in Tatooine, dealing with Tusken and fighting scum and vilany to protect Luke while lowkey guiding him to be a great person

[@mattmark94]

It broke new GROUNDS!!

[@jamesr123]

I do think RLM has lost a bit of their edge over the years. Maybe it's the constant stream of mainstream crap they've subjected themselves to. Maybe it's just getting older and not caring as much. Maybe it's a bit of contrarianism since so many people hate the Disney version of Star Wars. Whatever it is, the fundamental stupidity of Kenobi's premise and its inherent fan service (in the bad way) would seem enough to make the old them hate it.

[@timewarpdrive77]

RLM is tshi now? Always has been..

[@PatrickOMulligan]

Definitely the not caring part.

[@davemustang8173]

Idk why we're surprised that the Pro Star Trek guys liked the most boring Star Wars show

[@Ayahuasca98]

It’s over for trekkies they got nothing now

[@TheMaleRei]

​@@Ayahuasca98 On the upside Star Trek, aside from *maybe* Picard 3, hasn't been remotely good since... DS9.

[@dragonknightleader1]

@@Ayahuasca98 What they don't report on is how CBS cracked down so hard on fan productions that they were rendered extinct after 2016. Star Wars, for all it's failures, didn't mess with the fans that hard. That's why Trek is deader than Wars.

[@user-vv3qr1rc4l]

​@@dragonknightleader1Star Wars tracked down on anything fan made too lol

[@Darkington]

​@@dragonknightleader1Star Trek's expedient death was also because they abandoned their intellectual tone for generic sci-fi action and over-reliance on special effects. Everything in the Star Trek universe sucks now when, even during DS9, Star Trek was a place you'd wanna live in.

[@kingragnarok7302]

Growing up means learning that your heroes have shitty takes too.

[@AbrasiousProductions]

yup, love these guys but I don't like how woke and stupid they can be sometimes.

[@dragonknightleader1]

@@AbrasiousProductions I don't know if they're woke, but I agree they got Lucas Derangement Syndrome and it messes with their reviews too much.

[@timewarpdrive77]

@@dragonknightleader1 The truth is that they've never given a shit about star wars. They'll simultaneously talk for hours about a TNG episode, but I don't even think they've done a single re-view about star wars. That's fine, but they need to stay in their own lane if thats the case

[@utarefson9]

@@dragonknightleader1 It's less that they themselves push woke ideas, but they are detached boomers who don't see the issues with people openly pushing for e.g. racial segregation as long as their reasoning sounds nice. They do have a bad habit of making fun of people who oppose the idea of viewing everything through a racial lense, though.

[@PatrickOMulligan]

@@AbrasiousProductions woke how?

[@Cats-TM]

13:30 One of the most famous fights in The Matrix is the lobby scene. That fight is completely devoid of emotion or stakes because the main characters are just fighting against random security guards. Yet it is incredibly because of just how good the choreography, cinematography, effects, and music is.

[@VitalVampyr]

They're doing that to save Morpheus so there's _some_ emotional stakes. They don't really play that up in the scene though.

[@Phoenix0F8]

Which was worse: Their Kenobi take, or their Matrix: Resurrections take lol

[@undercomposition]

Yes.

[@dragonknightleader1]

Kenobi. I don't even remember their Matrix review while they're just wrong here.

[@Kartak965]

And neither of those are as bad as their recent take about how audiences are stupid and only dislike forgettable movies like furiosa because other youtubers told them to, they were never great reviewers and we all knew that they are hard liberals but to see how disconnected they have become it is really bizarre.

[@xXMegaWeaponXx]

Matrix Resurrections was a great movie if you see it as a middle finger to the studio that forced them to make it. Bc that's what it was.

[@Phoenix0F8]

@@xXMegaWeaponXx sadly no because the director is coming back *again* to direct a 5th matrix movie. it's all just schlop. and also I don't think that the audience should be punished for a bad decision made by the studio. Mrs Watchowski was flipping off the wrong people; the audience showed up wanting to see a good film not an existential joke at their expense.

[@arisumego]

good to know im not the only one noticing RLM's major decline in good taste lol

[@robcoguy6909]

They didnt change, if they did it was natural, they didnt get wrapped up in low intelligence politics and Yt tribal stuff...they just make fun of them with their Nerd Crew segments they made 10 years ago, and then Gary and co mimicked their parody in real life with FNT.

[@DrachonaTheWolf]

The appropriate response to "It's a joke" will always be "So, what's the joke?" If it's sarcasm, who or what is being mocked? What part of it is supposed to be funny?

[@bluemutt9964]

I feel like they just say inflammatory things because they're saltier than Utah that the prequels are unironically better than the sequels and the majority of people agree

[@admiralseabass8993]

So. Much. This.

[@Lampoluke]

How tf can the sequels be better than the prequels? Star Wars was never high art, but the sequels are objectively bad, all of them (at least the first two, never seen the third). At least with the prequels there is some subjective bad stuff, a lot of stuff can be argued, hell even Jar-Jar can be argued in favour of and sure it is contrived, but it's not the whole "we have no clue about what the main characters are doing" that the sequels went with

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

What crack are you smoking? What possessed you to think that besides your obvious hateboner for RLM for touching your golden cow?

[@Ayahuasca98]

Are you stupid? They hated the sequels. They started the whole “consoom product”/“nerd crew” thing that opened a lot of people’s eyes to the decadence of nerd culture.

[@Ayahuasca98]

@@Lobsterwithinternetprequel fans should’ve stayed in their lane

[@kirbycooper9496]

Non-jedis can't use a lightsaber effectively because they are in an age of rapid firing projectile weapons and they have a sword. Imagine if you told a guy without superpowers to take a sword and charge a squad of marines? I have the feeling they made this point already and I havent gotten to it yet

[@youtubeisapublisher6407]

"George was inconsistent back when he and others were still inventing the trilogy, back when they were just realizing it was going to become a franchise beyond A New Hope, therefor it's OK for Disney to completely rewrite, overwrite, contradict, and ignore the entirety of the previous themes, lore, and internal consistencies established before"

[@Mayor_N]

I watched Red Letter for maybe a month and could never stand Jay. He always had the most uncontroversial opinions and was so smug about it. “Nerd rage, amirite guise?!?!”

[@thepsychomagus]

The prequels are better than Rogue One.

[@jiggycalzone8585]

W

[@bjrnhalfhand2258]

Lol

[@JcgLounge]

1:24:45 If you care about Star Wars Canon, it’s impossible to enjoy SW” Wait so, caring about the lore, the established universe mythology, the canon and the stories part of it means we don’t enjoy Star Wars? Caring about the canon is part of the reason why we love this franchise to begin with!

[@ManCheetah294]

😂😂😂 no, he isn't saying what you think he is saying there. He means that if you respect the canon and lore like a real fan, its impossible to enjoy Disney star wars.

[@iamjurell]

​@@ManCheetah294or most Lucas star wars, given he never gave much of a shit about it either

[@ManCheetah294]

@@iamjurell Tbh, this is something i think too, but with how bad it has been since he sold it, it doesn't factor in much to anything I am upset with. I would rather watch literally anything from the Lucas era over the new stuff.

[@iamjurell]

@@ManCheetah294 I just don't get that mind set; no amount of Disney being shit makes the prequels good-- to paraphrase Doug Stanhope, how does that suck make this suck less suck? I legitimately *hated* the last jedi but at no point did that give me any amount of warm, fuzzy feelings for the phantom menace. No amount of shoddy character writing from JJ will make Darth maul more than a meme; no amount of woke will make midichlorians a good idea; Obi wan being crap doesn't make prequel Obi wan any less boring or dumb and so on. I don't define myself or my tastes by opposition to stuff I don't like-- I just continue to not like things I don't like.

[@ManCheetah294]

@@iamjurell i don't even think that opinion is bad or anything but I don't share it and I don't know a lot of people who feel that way. Also, I like Doug Stanhope too but that statement doesn't really apply here considering the movies have been ranked by people and talked about that way since even before the prequels. So like...yes in this case, being terrible does actually change how good the prequels are compared to other movies.

[@SPRIZZYSPROW]

Bless the good lads of EFAP for disagreeing w/ their hero’s opinion. God forbid humans have different opinions yet get along

[@GeekOwtLowd]

You need to understand that RLM don't care about Star Wars. The Plinkett reviews were done because Mike saw the prequels as analogous to The Next Generation movies. Plinkett started by doing deep dive analysis on why the Star Trek the Next Generation films were trash compared to the original Star Trek films. Rich is actually in no way a Star Wars fan. Mike has a mild interest in Star Wars, and Jay is a super casual fan perhaps... a normie. Mike did a great job with his Plinkett reviews, but it's not actually from the perspective of a hardcore fan... it's mostly an objective perspective of a guy who understands movies and has an understanding of why the OT was special.

[@mrtaco1703]

I used to watch RLM all the time, I have slowly but surely fallen off the wagon with them. This isn't the first time I thought they had a crap take. Half the time I can't tell if its genuine or if they are taking the piss just to meme on their audience. It's been happening more and more to the point I end up turning their stuff off mid- video now. They seem overly contrarian now and I've detected a lack of care with their fanbase they blatantly can't stand and couldn't care less about. They seem more interested in doing cartoon voice overs and sharting out videos of them playing trivia games these days. I think Star Trek broke them.

[@Ayahuasca98]

Star Trek broke them sadly. Picard was that bad.

[@chrissweeney9827]

imagining typing all that out hahaha

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

My thoughts exactly. Picard kind of does that to a guy.

[@tanner201x8]

“They seem more interested in doing cartoon voice over” that a problem, dirt rag?

[@TheMaleRei]

​@@Ayahuasca98 Yep. They got what they deserved.

[@polyman6859]

Glad we realized RLM is shit at talking about Star Wars. Better late than never. "In fact JJ Abrams should've directed the prequels, and George Lucas should've directed the people to their seats in the theaters" - Mr Plinkett, 2013. Clearly they knew what they were talking about regarding Star Wars...

[@PatrickOMulligan]

Seemed like a good idea to a lot of people then.

[@GeekOwtLowd]

RLM are not big Star Wars fans actually. Mike and Rich are big Trekkie fans who have a mild interest in Star Wars, and Jay is a Star Wars normie. Plinkett started by doing reviews of Star Trek Next Generation movies... after that, he figured the Star Wars prequels deserved a similar beat down. His prequel reviews were a lot bigger, because there's a bigger interest than Star Trek.

[@etantife]

This is the episode that made me stop watching them. It made no sense

[@spiderleenie]

RLM officially jumped the shark with their Acolyte video. I really hope you guys do a video on it, because hoo boy ...

[@PatrickOMulligan]

I thought it was better then their Obi-Wan one. They called it mediocre.

[@spiderleenie]

⁠@@PatrickOMulliganit’s not the review part that bothered me for their Acolyte video. Their smug attitude about other KZbinrs was very off putting and came across as incredibly hypocritical to me. The whole bit about “starving kids in Africa” while sharing an edited clip of Star Wars Theory came across as downright petty.

[@user-dnf83n0s8sg9u]

@@spiderleeniethey were right though lol. Look at how seriously everybody takes Star Wars compared to them. Even when they would dig on Star Wars they at least were smart about how they did it. EFAP is just pure annoying reaction

[@spiderleenie]

@@user-dnf83n0s8sg9u But it's okay for RLM to rant about Star Trek ad nauseum and okay for them to spend literally thousands of hours talking about bad b-movies and employee instructional videos. Why won't they think of the starving children in Africa?

[@andrewwall4155]

And RLM is supposedly smarter than the prequels. Right…

[@Ayahuasca98]

They are tho

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

It's easy to be smarter than an inanimate objects.

[@basedggallin4556]

That's not really a challenge though

[@denkerbosu3551]

Dementia got to them, they had a point, now they just talk nonsense.

[@alexmaverick6647]

The average pre schooler is smarter than the prequels.

[@ShakerSilver]

Really feels like they're so done with Star Wars to care about accurately assess the state of current Star Wars. They already had their own TLJ to care about how bad TLJ is.

[@dragonknightleader1]

They really do have Lucas Derangement syndrome. Lucas, even when making the Star Wars Holiday Special, never made content as bad as what Disney makes now.

[@Lampoluke]

​​@@dragonknightleader1 The Acolyte is rated worse than the Special now, soo... we have proof Dysney really doesn't understand how to make really basic movies for kids.

[@RedPilledRants]

They're "intellectual" Star Trek fans.... 😂

[@nadrewod999]

I always interpreted it as "anyone can physically pick up a lightsaber, turn it on/off, or use it to cut something, but to actually wield it effectively in combat, you need the foresight/telekinesis provided by The Force, which can take decades to master starting from a young age." It's one of the reasons why Luke in Return of the Jedi struggles fighting Vader and why he would have lost fighting Emperor Palpatine if it wasn't for the intervention of Anakin, but why he was eventually able to grow strong enough to become a strong Jedi Master in time for the Yuhzon-Vong war.

[@timewarpdrive77]

Luke dominates vader in fight when he actually goes for it, but only because he channels the dark side

[@MrBDB001]

Have I been wrong all these years? I was under the impression Jedi had to make their own lightsbres, am I wrong?

[@brandonscott9747]

That's how it was before Disney took over. Making your own lightsaber was an important step in becoming a Jedi.

[@TheLegendsFate]

Jedi younglings use training sabers, but will eventually create their own lightsaber to continue practicing with. The novels also introduce other methods for practicing lightsaber forms, like the Bane trilogy and the Sith using durasteel blades with toxin-filled barbs that simulated being hit by a lightsaber.

[@jacquelineking5783]

Generally but in a pinch using one someone gave you is fine. Hell when they were rescuing Obi-Wan, Anakin, and Padme in Clones the Jedi tossed Obi-Wan and Anakin lightsabers if I remember correctly. Hell in the old EU Leia hadn't made her own lightsaber the first time around Luke declared her a Jedi. That was retconned when Delray got the book license. The second time around she got declared one I think they had her make one.

[@vario6492]

RLM BROKE NEW GROUND at having bad takes

[@finalfantasy50]

lightsabers cant be heavy, hans clumsy movements can more easily be explained that he was freezing cold so that his body was more stiff than usual and he was moving slow and cumbersomely to avoid accidentally touching it

[@Ayahuasca98]

I’m surprised they liked Kenobi since that show is like. All the stupid shit in the prequels x 10.

[@TheMaleRei]

I think it's all about spite on their part.

[@jordanbolm8517]

​@TheMaleRei maybe, but why would they be spiteful? Alot of their viewers, including myself came to their channel because of the prequel reviews

[@Ayahuasca98]

@@TheMaleReithat would be based fuck Star Wars fans

[@dragonknightleader1]

@@jordanbolm8517 Probably because the Prequels, and Revenge of the Sith specifically, actually does what Obi-wan tries to do better in every way. At best, Obi-wan is unnecessary. In reality, Obi-wan messes with characters harder than RotS and breaks continuity between 3 and 4 harder.

[@Ayahuasca98]

@@dragonknightleader1 having Ben and Vader fight at any time between 3 and 4 is a travesty

[@stopthewave3907]

Maybe RLM have always been this way? Ever considered they aren't the be all and end all of movie critics? Hard to accept for some people I know.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

Or maybe they just gave up on the franchise and are just having fun mocking the trashfire it’s become?

[@jimmytheenlightenedcentrist]

Or… they don’t always get it right? Like all humans.

[@stopthewave3907]

@@Lobsterwithinternet Considering Rich said Furiosa was great. . . I'm going to assume they have always been like this. I get it, it's hard to see your heroes in their true light when the rose tinted spectacles fall away.

[@LtCaveman]

Who said they were? You're inserting assumed opinions. I hear grass feels nice on your toes bro

[@stopthewave3907]

@@LtCaveman "Bro" how about grow up little boy instead of talking like a spotty teenager? How about that?

[@therealfakecaptain7978]

Wait until you watch their Acolyte review.

[@hashvendetta7226]

I think rlm and especially Jay have an issue with being aligned with any major narrative or stance the majority of the internet takes. Its usually the first words out of his mouth any time they review a film. He wiggles his hands in the air, and mocks the current discourse as if he's too good for it. Its tired and not very genuine.

[@HoorayTV21]

Luke picks up a lightsaber and starts waving it around. Its over. There is no retconning needed. The reason nobody uses them is because its "an elegant weapon for a more civilized age."

[@yotoniha]

The one thing I learned from this highlight is Mauler endorses Jizzing responsibly

[@fletcher371]

RLM has had progressively worse and worse takes where they have no idea what they are even talking about. I know it's a meme that Mike has dementia but both he and Rich seem to have no idea what is going on half the time.

[@UsulJon]

Disney needs to readSandersons magic system rules hard and soft systems. Disney is trying to straddle both, which causes the world to break down.

[@MrArbaras]

I really dislike when RLM picks a couple of strawman opinions tweets that are over the top and stupid, then pretend that they are representative of most criticism. I've noticed them doing it a lot in recent years.

[@Connorthecatsdad]

"What I liked about Kenobi was that by the last episode it was about the titular character" Also- Darth Vader acted out of character in the reenactment of the scene that established his character. Logic Good job, everyone

[@AllenZomberg]

Mike never recovered from the Shatner thing.

[@Quole1234]

I love RLM but they are way, waaaaay too forgiving of tripe like this. Some of their takes are laughably bad. Don't forget they also liked Halloween Ends and Matrix Resurrections.

[@michelleadams5609]

Anna had said that RLM did not seem like fans and that they were talking about Kenobi because it was the show everyone was talking about. --RLM just dropped an Acolyte Review. Yay.

[@pntr92]

Personally, I'm indifferent about Red Letter Media. I don't think they're bad as Anomaly Inc makes them out to be, yet I don't think they're as good as Mauler, Drinker or Nerdrotic make them out to be. Sometimes they make good observations about the culture, like the whole "Don't ask questions. Just consume product and be excited for next product" and the "LOYALTY TO DISNEY. LOYALTY TO THE BRAND" comments. Yet when I watch their Star Wars critiques, I'm often asking myself "Guys, did you even watch the same movie as me? You missed this, this and this points." I'd honestly feel better if they admitted to being Trekkies, preferring Star Trek over Star Wars. That way, it makes more sense why their Star Wars reviews aren't as good because they aren't as invested in the series as much as they are with Star Trek. As it is, I think their takes on Star Wars and their reviews are some of the worst critiques I've seen about Star Wars, filled to the brim with strawmen, poorly researched criticisms, false allegations and a whole lot of fan whinging that doesn't amount to anything than an entitled fan not getting what they want. As it is, I think they're extremely overrated and I think the latest slate of KZbin critics who were fans or inspired by RLM (like the before mentioned Mauler, Drinker or Nerdrotic) have managed to be more entertaining and informative than these guys in much the same way how Anomaly Inc has surpassed his inspiration, Chris Stuckman. P.S. I find it deliciously ironic that one of these assclowns 1:23:17 unironically calls us man babies for not liking Luke doing an out of character thing despite supporting his co-host for being a man baby when he whinges about George Lucas and the prequel trilogy. The lack of self awareness truly astounds me. Maybe that's why their show is called Half in the Bag, because half of their brain power isn't being applied to their reviews.

[@timewarpdrive77]

They were never star wars fans. The JJ abrhams star trek movie is basically what Mike thinks star wars is... despite it being nothing like star wars (even down to its messages)

[@PatrickOMulligan]

umm their love of Trek over Star Wars was obvious. Citing Anomaly Inc as a positive is laughable.

[@pntr92]

@@PatrickOMulligan I'm not familiar with what happened to Anomaly Inc. But even if he did something negative, he's still an improvement over Chris Stuckman, since he tries to be as objective with his criticisms unlike Stuckman, who'll sell out his integrity just so he further himself in life.

[@PatrickOMulligan]

Of course Mike thinks Obi-Wan should kill Luke due to his father. It is the Klingon way, sins of the father are inherited.

[@ajax201000]

Its time for RLM to inform their subs that their ability to review movies has dimished

[@Valiant1977]

Loved hearing your voice Wolf! Thank you for doing these. ❤

[@EnsignRedshirtRicky]

RIP Wade, Ascended

[@minisquirtle9702]

Such a small thing that doesnt even matter really but i like how Rags almost accidentally says "Leia" like how Shad does after hearing him say it 1:07:28 Like with the extra little "R" sound at the end that comes with the accent

[@merlin2.085]

(Spoilers for the ending of Jedi: fallen order) I remember a few years ago, game theory used the ending scene of fallen order to calculate how strong Vader’s force was. The result was ridiculous, equating to more than the titanic, the London bell tower, a dozen elephants, and several jumbo jets. With my (admittedly imperfect) knowledge of physics, what kenobi does in episode 4 blows that out of the water.

[@jedibusiness66]

There’s a Clone Wars comic set during a battle on Kamino, and a scene happens much like in Kenobi. The difference is that it takes three powerful Jedi (Shaak Ti, Kenobi, and Anakin) to hold back the water.

[@michelleadams5609]

Noice. I remember when RLM did a part 2 of Kenobi and was hoping that EFAP would tear it a new one. What a good day. Hey Rags (when I found out he was also a Mistie, a fan of MST3K, he became my favorite)!

[@stretchmtsa5106]

Man RLM has some really braindead takes with Star Wars since Disney took over. Jay is extremely insufferable with his seemingly purposeful controversial takes.

[@Usammityduzntafraidofanythin]

35:30 - A New Hope kind of slow burned the light sabers, and it made it interesting.

[@JohnnyK-tf6ig]

RLM sucks. Haven’t watched them in years.

[@84everfan90]

It's genuinely impossible to come out of this not thinking they've sold out. If Mauler hasn't unsubscribed, he hasn't seen the Dial of Destiny review.

[@TheMaleRei]

Wait... What did RLM think of Dial of Destiny?

[@84everfan90]

@@TheMaleRei same as here, very milqtoast fence sitter thoughts, didn't think Phoebe Waller Bridge's character was all that bad, etc.

[@TheMaleRei]

@@84everfan90 Well, that's certain a sign of their tastes and preferences.

[@fullyproblematic]

I loved RLM's Star Wars prequel series, it's what started me on the path to eventually discover and become a fan of Mauler, Drinker, Nerdrotic, Shad, and many others. But this is far from their first bad take. I remember looking forward to them tearing apart Jar Jar's Star Trek 2009, 'cause in my opinion, the casting and SFX were great, but the story and writing were shite. Nope. They liked it. Ah well, can't agree with people on everything, but liking ST 2009 and Disney Star Wars is tough for me to get past.

[@dragonknightleader1]

Their 09 review foreshadows why the TFA would be bad beyond recommending JJ. Based on that movie, it was going to be a soul-less, pointless revival that completely misses the point of the original IP. So, of course JJ does the same thing with TFA because that's what he does. RLM should have seen it coming, but didn't.

[@ShakalakaKing]

I remember when Starkiller ripped a star destroyer out of low orbit. Force Unleashed games were silly. Fun, but silly. Now everything is silly and Force Unleased feels reasonable :V

[@Arwilus]

He did not rip it from low orbit, though. It was already falling and he shoved it into the ground, pushed against it, and still had to jump and run to survive. The whole thing was to slow it down to allow him and the crew to live. Still a bit silly, though, as you said.

[@Ayahuasca98]

Rich Evans liked the force unleashed 1 but didn’t like the prequels. That says enough about their star wars takes.

[@timothymills6134]

@@Arwilusit was not already falling, it was hovering over Raxus Prime and Starkiller pulled it out of the sky. The ship will actually right itself whenever Starkiller had to stop and focus on tie fighters.

[@TSTD_Punisher]

@@Arwilus Kota telling him to "rip it out of the sky" and the fact he's clearly steering it would lead one to think he's ripping it out of orbit

[@Arwilus]

@@TSTD_Punisher @timothymills6134 Could be different versions causing confusion, but in the PC version I played it is falling from an orbital facility. kzbin.info/www/bejne/aIiUgIyLjt2Sf8Usi=RySb14TYQ1ovqhdX Edit: The novelisation also established it is falling.

[@jackchipper7458]

Mike is just the causal goer to theatres who happens to review movies

[@denkerbosu3551]

Sometimes he TRIES to sound deeper and sometimes he manages to, but otherwise it's the empty wannabe intellectual takes of "oh they exploited ze whamenz"

[@Luke21-xk7uh]

It's hilarious when people who have barely as much knowledge on filmmaking start calling a literally filmmaker a casual viewer. The guy literally went to film school and has a production company. I think he's a little bit more than a casual viewer of movies. He just doesn't make clickbate 7 hour rage videos about Star Wars.

[@Gunnumn]

The only version of the kenobi show i saw was the 2hr cut. Im literally finding out now that reva survived. I think im more surprised at the fact i went so long not knowing that information.

[@lessermook7608]

Getting EFAP HBO last of us flashbacks this is exactly what you guys did. Everyone's got a logic nerf when it comes to something they wanna go easy on, when its convenient of course.😂 You dont have to rip it a new asshole just to criticize it and liking it doesn't mean dont criticize it to a fair extent but to check RLM for what you also did is funny Ironic.

[@Omnininja2]

I agree that they went easy on TLOU but I don't recall EFAP having any really egregious illogical takes on anything in it.

[@Butiguessilovememore]

Yeah technically I agree with efap this round but they are getting a dose of their pompous elitist medicine with rlm. They go easy on stuff that they agree with personally.... *cough* gay filler episode *coigh*

[@joseantoniomillabrito2764]

I've never checked Red Letter Media. I found out about them on the MauLer's The Force Awakens series. Lucky me I've found Longman first.

[@MundaneThingsBackwards]

They're still making good stuff and there's nothing wrong with appreciating their older content.

[@Pimploaf_YTP]

They're a completely different kind of channel, their best of the worst series is legendary.

[@thedoobieshrew0244]

Check out best of the worst, it's great

[@giguyjoe]

I think after seeing this, the George Lucas AI rant about RedLetterMedia makes a lot more sense now.

[@the_inquisitive_inquisitor]

Apparently no Sith ever tried Force Pulling people's bones in different directions....

[@ingrowsmith5148]

Ah yes, the infamous "Jay's Cheque Didn't Clear" episode. Wonder how many nerds realised Damage Control Media's business model by now. Protip: They only piss strictly in one direction, and that's not towards their employers.

[@LtCaveman]

Mike writes Jay's checks. And Rich Evan's. I don't think you know what you're talking about so you are dismissed.

[@TheMaleRei]

​@@LtCaveman Mike effectively owns the others, via their paychecks? Huh. Will keep that in mind.

[@dotfflan]

Why the hate boner for the prequels? Theyre not bad movies. Hell, they're oscar worthy compared to how awful the sequels turned out to be

[@kylekatarn5964]

There are some bones there to work with, but execution was poor. A few actors gave it their all, but much of those movies is really poorly delivered dialogue mixed with flashy fight scenes.

[@dotfflan]

@@kylekatarn5964 idk, man. I dont think the dialogue is as poor as people make it out to be, even Anakin's sand line. Maybe i have to watch them again, its been a while.

[@shogunpug4071]

​@@dotfflannope you're not wrong. The dialogue really isn't that bad. It's because it doesn't have the cliché acting and marvel humour that people are used to ingesting

[@timewarpdrive77]

@@shogunpug4071 I saw a video called "george lucas is the king of wooden dialogue" or something from a guy called "so uncivilized". Guy makes good videos I think

[@sugartoothYT]

I also want to add to that discussion about Sidious vs Yoda being supposedly silly because the platforms were getting thrown: That was the peak of the Sith and Jedi of their era clashing each other, if there ever was a fight to go big with the Force, it was then. And this might be just me, but even though there's the whole Force empowering them physically-stuff, I'd still argue Sidious and Yoda are feeling their age, they are not as fit, so even more the reason for the fight to turn into a test of how much power they can figuratively and literally throw at each other

[@nealsterling8151]

Picard Season2 didn't break Mike, it was William Shatner. Shatner was his childhood hero, but now Shatner (or someone who does his Social Media stuff) has blocked him, because Shatner saw a short clip from Mikes ST1 Video, out of context and decided that mike was a clown. THAT broke Mike. My theory (it could be completely wrong, which i hope): You can see in the following months after this, that mike more and more was depressed (very subtle, not the usualy jokes they are doing, but some of his looks and manners are different) and the other two (Jay and Rich) are on board, maybe because they find it funny or they genuinely don't really care.

[@jeffleake1960]

the fact these are the geek squad consume more product guys are what makes their shilling so disappointing

[@jamalshelton5746]

No matter what you may think of EFAP you can always rely on based takes and people who stick to their principles here.

[@Butiguessilovememore]

Based? They're a bunch of closet leftists that can analyze anything for 4 hours except the actual thing making entertainment suck today.

[@TheTalan]

Obi-Wan is in all 3 of the OT. Making him 1 of 2 maybe 3 characters to appear in each movie. Unless you count anakin and Vader as different characters.