Effort VS Reward in PSO2NGS

[@Glennkabob]

My argument for Dalion Rank 2 dropping at least stuff to make Gran Gladia Soul, it takes 10 Duel phase 2 and 2 Duel phase 5 S ranks minimum to make one of the things from scratch putting aside the other mega grinding requirements to get the other augs. We’re hitting that telescopic recipe problem that makes it a chore to gear up if you don’t have millions upon millions of meseta to burn.

[@CherikoSol]

I really miss this game but I physically recoil trying to open it back up.

[@Zeomantic]

That's a bummer. I'm kept going thanks in no small part to a great group of friends. I realize that's not the case for everyone. Thanks for watching!

[@novaomega7337]

They nailed it with the original PSO, red boxes are exciting. I don't understand why they can't give us fun rewarding gameplay, and sell cosmetics at the same time.

[@Zeomantic]

Next year is the 25th anniversary of the original PSO on the Dreamcast, so I wouldn't be surprised if we heard something in that vein.

[@tanooki_terminator]

Something I've notice about the nameless city with the gaint Clarissa during the collection trail if you look at the center its emiting light. While active

[@Zeomantic]

Are you sure you're commenting on the right video? Never paid attention to that.

[@gpkai]

You suddenly popping off with that voice at 2:30 almost made me spit out my water thank you lol.

[@Zeomantic]

I do that to poke fun at things that I know people are likely to say in the comments. Thanks for watching!

[@tanooki_terminator]

Lc capsules as a rewards feels like slap to the face at least give us something worth value.

[@Zeomantic]

Exactly!

[@KingOfHeartsTANK]

This was... Not the conversation I thought it would be. I stopped playing PSoNGS last year around the 75 lvl cap after like 30hr of playing, when I learned that the endgame systems were awful and there was never going to be a challenge or level of engagement I haven't experienced already, everything to samey. I went to base PSo2, and that's a fantastic game and it's a shame they are abandoning it for a much less interesting experience because of their gacha glamour system. NGS feels floaty, you don't get to make any choices for your build that mean anything, there's no challenge to overcome that seems worth it or fun, and theirs no level of personal improvement in the level of the scion classes from base. All I wanted was an MMO like PSU again, that gave that same feeling and offered a similar experience that was a rewarding and balanced reward and challenge well. PSo2 was a bit to hardcore and NGS is way, way, way to casual. I guess I'll just stick with FFXIV as it's the closet I've come to PSU. Just be glad they're finally adding challenges, just hope they actually give you guys the meaningful content that's varied like base PSo2 was with the mech battles, the giant sea warship battle, the medevil siege fights, the endgame floor 100 bosses etc. I'm not comming back to NGS ever again until they do soemthing special, I'll just login to grab my free draws and that's it and pray they re add the judgement coat from psp2 to the game.

[@Zeomantic]

The issue isn't the challenge itself. Aspirational content is all well and good. There's nothing left for the "baser" crowd since that game has run its course, apart from a few things that folks may have missed while it was active. FF14 and PSO2 are two sides of the same coin IMO. While it may not be entirely "apples to apples", both games excel in areas where the other falls short. I like FF14's storytelling and other features but I'm not crazy about the tab target combat system. FF14 doesn't suffer from red-headed stepchild syndrome like PSO2 does. Homogeneity is an issue that plagues both games and is more or less a genre-wide thing. Like I said in another comment, maybe it's time we jaded 30 and 40-somethings find a new pastime and let 1983 happen all over again. We essentially have two choices at this point - enjoy what we have for what it is, or hang it up altogether.

[@raevenent751]

Yeah, they should drop gran gladia/gigas maste or lux straight up now. Whenever I see more LC caps drop I just think "Great, more LC caps as if I already have fucking thousands of already"

[@Zeomantic]

That or at the very least and give us some avenue of exchanging those LC capsules for the big boy ones.

[@cocaroto9650]

Loot has been a huge issue since the beginning of NGS. The focus of this game is not loot anymore sadly. Its not Space Diablo anymore its a live service game with anime cool outfits.

[@Zeomantic]

Yet another symptom of industry trends over the last 15 or so years. These games are a monument to the industry's avarice and indolence and yet here we are. Maybe it's time us jaded 30 and 40-somethings find a new pastime and let 1983 happen all over again.

[@blackblood1085]

The possible rewards for what you get are just not worth it for me to try and get it done. I haven't even done the R1 Dalion or the R2 Solus fights, because I don't see much value in it, while also needing to upgrade my gear to a certain level. I would like to see them try more of a gimmick boss fight and not just "oh just hit it hard and often" to turn it into minced meat.

[@FollowTheFaceless]

I honestly believe that LC capsules MUST have been Leciel exclusive. But Sega kept being Sega spreading loot across all content erasing it's value (for both loot and content). They just can't learn.

[@Zeomantic]

Hedgehog logic - gotta love it.

[@KudaGeatsune3821]

Base pso2's story with matoi & the guardian was my gateway drug after giving up on a similar game Elsword and now ive simply given up on pso2 completely there's nothing left and become an empty husk where nothing happens

[@Zeomantic]

Well that's a real downer! Hopefully you find something else you can enjoy. Thanks for watching.

[@rex_melynas]

Exelios drops really easily from dalion, it's not like, top drop. But at least it has something, and it's easier to gamble dalion than nameless. Sure, dalion requires preparation, and exelio aren't good (yet) but it's better than spamming nameless city. They should've added master fragments thou, and aegis souls.

[@Zeomantic]

There are probably a million better ways they could've done this.

[@beanmchocolate3900]

Make it drop bis aug materials. Down with the duel quests! Make em available to people who want to play as a team! Also, I’m the exact same way. I get frustrated by these, and I get so angry that it literally costs me REAL money to get angry. I break stuff. I feel like I’m worth nothing in the matter of it, and I can’t handle it.

[@Yuri_2035]

Okay but mdfd r2 is a pretty fun fight. Low key can just queue this one for fun, way better than solus imo. Yeah, rewards mostly garbagio bar high fixa stuff, but that's been ngs for as long as ngs been ngsing.

[@Zeomantic]

Yes it is less annoying than solus. And yes that has been a pain point since the giddy up

[@BarachielGaming]

As a casual, I don't see the point of me fighting the bosses when all I care about is the story, the phashion and hanging out with friends. That's all I need the game to be.

[@FollowTheFaceless]

Well, there will be no story for us up until March at the very least XD

[@Drakaina_Tohru]

I think if they want people to actually keep playing these contents, they need to start moving in items that are hard to get or at least guaranteed every single game, like add 10 of each deul quest Affix, guaranteed along with 1 SG and a chance to get 1 AC, along with various other goodies like, augmentation protection, transfer vouchers and passes, n master fragments and cubes, fixa lv x name, etc etc, if some of this was made absolutely guaranteed and some of it was made a chance to get people with play it

[@Zeomantic]

Maybe if some of the big boy augments were part of the weekly tasks, that wouldn't be such a bad idea without supplanting duel quests as a form of obtaining them.

[@Drakaina_Tohru]

@Zeomantic I do think though that they need to start putting in every single deul Affix tho, at least into these contents because then it would guarantee people would play them and phone them because it will be quicker for them to do, along with guaranteeing a single star gem drop, it would take you ages of Farming to get anything worthwhile that way but at least you would eventually, master cubes as well

[@delightXD]

We are still getting Neo Astereans here 🤣

[@Zeomantic]

At least you can trade those in for integras, which you can trade for the capsules used for halphinale. The weekly cap on those is pretty lame though.

[@thestrunzy5585]

I've just move to ff14 personally it seems for the most part to respect my time outside of the weekly gear lockout/savage raid lockout I hope i can go back in a year or 2 and be wrong but at this point waiting 3-4 months for a single fight only to be reward lukewarm is kinda killed my mood on this game

[@Overdoseplus]

I'm pretty sure they gonna announce a new PS in a year or two. I wouldn't bother.

[@Zeomantic]

FF14 does a lot of good things, but I'm not really a fan of the "tab target team jump rope world of chocobocraft a rotation reborn" style of gameplay. That's easy enough to do for a player/viewer, but I always have to look at things through the lens of a content creator. A few of us built a name through this game. If that falls off, then it's Quitsville if we can't pivot to another game. In the case of FF14, the bar is so much higher given that it's much more mainstream and has a much larger audience. Nothing outside of skit or raid content gets any semblance of traction here on YT. And if it's the former, you have the "gatekeepers" pulling your FFLogs parses, and you'll be chewed up and spat out if they aren't all that great. Both communities have their share of problems, but at least 14 doesn't suffer from "red-headed stepchild syndrome" since Final Fantasy has always been Squeenix's bread and butter.

[@chelsthegameruiner8669]

For me, its the fact that the good weapons have such shit drop rates that I just don't bother most of the time. I can't even get my Bouncer up to 90 (currently at level 88) because nobody is even doing PSE leveling. I've NEVER seen the game this devoid of life in activities so its admittedly concerning to me

[@PikangsFutaba]

Yeah... the rewards for Malignant Dalion aren't that great overall, pretty much most players once they get 30 wins (and outside the weekely task) they probably won't play the Major Target Suppresion Mission anymore as outside few stuff like the Wingard weapon camo (and probably Neos Astraean for Aegis Intrega... but this particular one in a questionable side) is not worth the trouble of farming, at least OG Dalion was worth the trouble for the farming when it came out, but this one... yeah... better times in Nameless City (combined both Malignant Dalion and Nameless City, I got like 4 Exelio weapons, and bought like other 3, but about the 4 I got from drops... 1 was from Dalion and the other 3 in casual runs in Nameless City).

[@A1AION]

It’s a no brainer. Hard content. Put rewards that are worth it. This is definitely a waste of time.

[@Zeomantic]

Apparently the devs missed the memo on that one.

[@divineroadrunner]

Endgame content in NGS is so insanely boring, why not just make LC exploration 100x harder and it drops the standard version of the augs instead of LC versions. Or literally just make LC in a straight line with an actual boss teleporter at the end instead of just getting farted into the boss room when the time is up. Fighting giant purple man in the sky part 15 is getting kinda boring. What really blows my mind is the fact that these bosses have anything less than god tier drops, by the time the casual player base even farms up the gear required to kill the thing before the timer hits 0... the drops are irrelevant. So if you don't need to beat endgame content to have great gear.... and all the other content are just farming simulators to get the gear to beat the end game content.... When do I actually HAVE FUN??? The game just refuses to give a unique experience, every "endgame boss" is just a reskin of aegis, which is just a reskin of Profound Darkness, not in terms of move set, but in terms of fighting a giant monster in the sky on some floating tiles. Every limited time quest is just a random blue labyrinth or a reused chunk of the overworld with borders scattered about that just make the game look like a heap of unreal engine 5 junk that Moist Critical streamed as a joke that just screams "you're wasting your time" every time I turn this game on.

[@Zeomantic]

You could say that about a lot of games though admittedly this is one of the egregious cases