The First Console MMO - Phantasy Star Online in 2024 (PSO)

[@sawmanUK]

Thanks for Watching, if you are interested in trying PSO for yourself, I have some instructions on my website: dogwatergaming.com/how-to-play-phantasy-star-online-in-2024/ Also like and Subscribe?

[@arostwocents]

Do a video on the Vita PSO!

[@arostwocents]

I subbed but am tempted to unsub due to asking to like and subscribe. Just have it animated on screen. It loses subs at this point asking.

[@ShieldThane]

Nintendo and Sega should make a Classic Server on Switch

[@Only_Some]

At this point the original PSO and it's counterparts all the way up to Blue Burst are considered to be abandoned wear it will never happen It is the same state with phantasy Star universe

[@elnoel1220]

If you have a retro handheld running Android or an Android phone, you can now play the GameCube version online (and reliably!)

[@costelinha1867]

I mean considering how quickly SEGA practically abandoned original PSO2 after New Genesis came out, I doubt they have any interest in bringing PSO1 back.

[@Ninetails94]

@@Only_Some not really sonic team and sega can still make a remaster/remake, remember nothings exactly abandonware if the company is still around, its only abandonware if the company shuts down, so all rights are gone, sega and sonic team brang some pso cosmetics to pso2 back in 2022 or was it 2023? so they still remember the game existing, thats like saying dark souls and demon souls are abandonware which sony brang that back and from soft let blue point remaster darksouls(you know two games that havent seen a release since 2009 and 2011) until very recently(iirc 2018 and 2020 respectfully) so yeah nothing is abandoned if the company that made the game still exists. remember sega has a remake collection coming out at some point, remember jet set radio? yeah not abandonware remember crazy taxi? not abandonware as remakes are releasing at some point. that said all comes down to sega actually listing to fans or being scum usually they are scum as they never listen to sonic fans and pso fans.

[@Xion_Stellar]

​@@Ninetails94 SEGA refuses to self compete and refuses to touch the older games because they know that the moment they bring up a remake of PSO or PSU their PSO fans will quickly abandon PSO New Genesis (the game where they make money by selling cosmetics) because people know those are better games. This mentality even affected new releases. They released Phantas Star Nova on PS Vita and outright refused to include an online mode because they didn't want people to abandon PSO2 at the time.

[@saladg]

I started playing this game last year and its probably one of my favorite games of all time

[@Fariasman]

Same here

[@Courier_Seven]

Im telling you man, make a Hucaseal, and hunt down a god/body it gives you the highest attack speed in the game and is amazingly fun for a hunter playstyle

[@SillyandStrangeYT]

Man, that teleport sound really hits the nostalgia hard.

[@eherden2169]

I think everything is nostalgic right off from the press start music.

[@JonpaulGee]

This was my shit back in the day

[@sawmanUK]

Same

[@Terashi]

Same tbh.

[@IaconDawnshire]

I went through so many free netzero accounts to get on

[@not_decaf]

Same

[@Hybridhero26]

Same. Will never forget it

[@davehug]

I'm so proud to see people still playing on my project server. I'm contacting a few KZbinrs to see if they want the origin story of the private servers creation.

[@simex909]

I used to play this game till 5 in the morning every night. I remember when the dreamcast servers shut down and we were all exchanging email addresses. I tried Blue Burst for nostalgia purposes... I can't believe I played that game so much. Different times, man. One thing that was awesome about it is there was no wiki. There were probably gamefaqs guides, but being able to check that while you were playing would have been an extreme luxury at the time. You had to actually learn things from other players. You could get a rare drop and no one in your team had even heard of it before. I played for so long before I even saw that pistol the final boss of episode I drops.

[@ahmki52298]

Same it was so good I however got to play it on Xbox

[@chadhardt6136]

The early 2000 mmo experience was something that i doubt we ever going to get back.

[@bogartwilley]

Heaven Punisher?

[@Logpet09]

PSO is a nostalgic trip for me. Played as a kid and here I am now as an adult with a 6 year old. We've been playing together and have taken down the first 3 bosses! 😮 I've killed these bosses hundreds of times, but these are by far the most memorable kills. What a wild experience. This is one game that is still just as fun as a I remember. We dont get that often when chasing nostalgia.

[@IronBrutzler]

This game got me into MMOs and played it singleplayer back on Dreamcast. When the Gamecube version got released with splitscreen it was the best day of my life. Played so many hours with my brother and sisters. Play it once a year and now even on the Wii with my og CD online is so great

[@TalkerFields]

i go through a month or two long phase every year of replaying this on console. i love that the community is still alive

[@gamingbythefollowing4999]

Still remember the first time I played version 1.0 online. Was blown away by simply bein able to talk to ppl from Japan and having my text translate in real time. The dreamcast was the first console i bought with my own money, saved up and got the console, sonic adventure, grandia 2, and pso ver. 1.0. So much fun, n so smooth for playing on dial-up internet.

[@arostwocents]

Dreamcast games had such a distinctive and beautiful look. You can always tell a DC game from how it looks.

[@zedsdeadbaby]

can't beat sega blue

[@Nekros-t9e]

I played the Phantasy Star Universe free monthly trial on xbox 360. Even though the game would delete your account after a month and you had to start all over. Still had the best time ever. Sad day when they shut the servers down and everyone gathered one last time and talked until the servers stopped. In that moment, everyone's messages froze and stayed like that until you turned the game off. A moment forever frozen in time, the absolute last second of an era.

[@ryanmahaffey5891]

Can we just take a moment to appreciate the poster for doing this. Let's also appreciate the music score of this game.. amazing.

[@Redcloudsrocks]

I love PSO it holds up so well thematically, musically, aesthetically

[@MatthewMuniz-dx4zj]

Oh, the human sacrifices I would commit to have this simply ported to Nintendo Switch with online play.

[@FoxyPercival714]

I still have my dreamcast and PSO. Even a demo of Sonic Adventure 2 at the time.

[@ManBrunchCrew]

Played a ton of this on GameCube. Loved it

[@sawmanUK]

I didn’t realise till recently that game cube had internet 😹

[@Natzawa]

Tons of people still play GameCube online

[@xenobreak1160]

It works online with the Dolphin emulator too.

[@mutosui]

The explanation of the story with the ships is absolutely fantastic

[@Nigel222]

SEGA made a lot of really cool stuff for the Dreamcast and a lot of them actually still hold up pretty well. They should consider remastering this game for steam and current machines. I think it would sell pretty well.

[@red5899]

Pso with fable soundtrack, big nostalgic overload combo.

[@arostwocents]

You need to include information that most people were playing on dial up internet. That was the biggest relevant point to make and it was missed.

[@patricspooner3941]

The most relevant point is that you should shut the fuck up or make your own video.

[@RenoKyrie]

I still think Phantasy Star series as a whole is very not talked often The Turn Based Games are earliest very scifi heavy RPG, and Alis surprisingly was also a very early RPG Main Heroine before Samus The quadology did different things, but 4 easilly is the most polished of the Turn based era Phantasy Star With the 3D or Online series on the other hand, on top of being early console MMO, it weirdly enough is the game that end up inspiring games like Monster Hunter, God Eater, and Dark Souls, even the PSO Devs who was a friend with MH Dev says that their game was much closer to the concept PSO1 had in mind both in gameplay and how the player has to FIND the lore instead of being directly given The Phantasy Star Universe games despite being the more problematic of the series(Includes making interaction with the West much harder especially during the era Yuji Naka being a jerk), still managed to be quite the inspirational Scifi RPG with its unique Hub World and World building And lastly theres Phantasy Star Online 2, also known as "The single reason why SEGA will never go bankrupt even if their other games do bad" Like trust me, PSO2 is unironicly a huge thing in Japan its actually Dragon Quest level of popular, the only thing going to make SEGA die is if the PSO2 fanbase starts to fully dissapear

[@GrayFoxRJ]

They tried really hard to Kill It with NGS, but even with the messy release, It is slowly getting fixed. Lets see what the Future holds for pso

[@RenoKyrie]

​@@GrayFoxRJYeah PSO2 NGS is deffinitly in a weird area Its doing not soo great, but somehow you litteraly cant see it going to die because SEGA doesnt want it to die And they do seem to actually improve funnily enough

[@dannyjingu]

Thank you for the nostalgia! I loved this on Dreamcast, but my favorite memories are from playing on Xbox Live of episodes 1 & 2

[@catspiracytheorist2138]

Phantasy Star Online on gamecube was definitely the height of socialization for MMOs. I luv’d all the shenanigans that went on in the lobbies 😂 even the chaotic trolls who spammed crazy sht. I was 13 years old at the time n got addicted to this game. Made a lot of friendships on it. I ended up playing World of Warcraft after that n it just never was the same 😢

[@moorebounce]

A lot of the stuff that was limited in PSO was fixed in PSO2 base game and PSO2:NGS which is free to play on PC and consoles. I owned and played most of the console versions of PSO. I even play PSO2:NGS today. The Dreamcast version was great until people learned to hack it. PSO: Blue burst (PC) was the best version of PSO. As much as I love PSO it's kind of hard to go back with all the advancements PSO2 and NGS has made. PSO is my favorite game of all time.

[@sionjy]

this was one of my favorite times to game, PSO on Dreamcast while watching Adult Swim

[@InvadeNormandy]

The way PSO2 was handled and basically "Mobile game enshittified" and turned into a confusing split game boondoggle breaks my heart.

[@Chloroxite]

Hopefully when those private servers go up pso2 will be worth playing again

[@shiro3146]

@@Chloroxite i hope starlight fix that too! PSO2 actually fun compared to other MMO on the market(but ofc bad compared to PSU and PSO) and NGS is very sad state

[@ankokunokayoubi]

it's the PSO2:NGS to be exact. Original PSO2 (Episode 1 - 6) has some great timeline

[@ralphbeez1411]

I was the kid that made himself the shortest height because I was a kid lol. I never had the "online" portion so I am glad Offline still let you play...unlike most modern mmos.

[@MakoRuu]

I would like to see one of the earliest WoW Clones ever made. Runes of Magic. Or, it's much better, but privately operated and updated fan version, Chronicles of Arcadia.

[@sawmanUK]

I can honestly say I've never heard of them, but ill add them to my list

[@MakoRuu]

@@sawmanUK Runes of Magic came first, then the game failed and was abandoned, and a small loyal group of players turned it in to what is now Chronicles of Arcadia.

[@lloyd011721]

i remember trying this. it was very wow like but had pay to win iirc?

[@RedEyedDRAG00N]

This game is so much better than New Genesis

[@earl_duke13]

I wish I could play the OG on my Series S as I never got a chance to even try it

[@Kilmar4999]

@@earl_duke13there is a way to put your Xbox into some mode that allows you to download games like this!

[@Courier_Seven]

Still one of my favorite games ever to this day. That drop chart and the color system was amazingly creative and addictive. I had a skyly Hucaseal with a meteor cudgel, chain sawd, and a god/body that i had to make a whole other redria character to hunt hildeblues for. Dammit man why cant our games be FUN and SIMPLE anymore?! R2 D2 is a skyly name btw, at least it is on GameCube.

[@johnbjornstad3090]

Wild. Played this on my modded Wii a few years back. There’s always a handful of people still playing online

[@TheKunde92]

Wild Times and enjoy it so much.

[@KushAidMan]

Normally in single player, the enemies have a lot less health. But i think in this server it's only the multiplayer health system

[@JelloFluoride]

Don't sell yourself short. That Optimus Poo joke made me sub.

[@Gravesyte]

I still wish they'd bring this to the Nintendo switch

[@Rain1]

So many hours, so much nostalgia. What a beast of a game.

[@scratch7971]

I still love this game to this day. Considering buying a GameCube because of it, though I do play on private servers and go back to them every year or so.

[@belojah2]

Remember GameCube pso can still go online with a bba adapter. But the Wii can get online waaay easier

[@shiro3146]

@@belojah2 yep! theres 2 or even 3 servers for DC v1,v2, GC and PSO PC(Pre PSOBB) one of them is sylverant,Schthack and PSO Something(i forgot the last one,but it was the most faithful one of the bunch)

[@X862go]

Wow 👌 pso was so ahead of its time.

[@Heeroneko]

I'd call it an online co-op game or an mmo-lite. It's online aspects are closer to Monster Hunter in format, but gameplay wise, I agree it is very much an mmorpg. Ppl still can't even agree on what an mmo actually is, so maybe it's a moot point.

[@sawmanUK]

MMO-Lite , I like that 👍

[@MysteryGrayLeaf]

@@sawmanUK They keep forgetting Monster Hunter had several MMO spin-offs/clones. PSO functionally acts like Monster Hunter Frontier, Monster Hunter Online, Hunter Blade. So, it is a full-on MMORPG. If they are going to use Monster Hunter, they should use the MMO versions. Not the private local lobby ones.

[@diegosalazar793]

I know this is impossible but I'd kill to have a port version for modern consoles with Sega buying/working together with Ephinea, so they keep making updates, more missions, events, etc. Also to not loose my characters from there 😅 The gameplay might not look the fastest at the beginning but in the endgame it can become really interesting with room to optimize the damage and combos while being satisfying to play

[@catspiracytheorist2138]

There is also a short anime show for PSO

[@jonathanjohnson6468]

First console I bought with my own money was a dreamcast with PSO. So many hours enjoying this game.

[@lordbane5627]

There's more to classic games like this than just nostalgia. Lots of old games had things that new one's simply don't. New doesn't necessarily mean better. I mean hell, most New games suck, particularly as all the AAA companies have gone to shit.

[@eherden2169]

I sometime go to my fiends house with my Game Cube and play spit screen PSO ep1 & ep2 to relive those times (plus doing the item dupe glitch because we both have the same weapons in the bank as a backup).

[@trevorryals8087]

I used to play this like mad as a kid. In this past week, I'm finally discovering the Online side to this game, and it's been so much fun

[@ARAVideogames]

The first console Mmorpg is Dragon's Dream (1997) for the Sega Saturn :D. The first widely known and successful was Phantasy Star Online.

[@sawmanUK]

Holllllddddd up.... Sega Saturn had internet?

[@costelinha1867]

@@sawmanUK Probably not bult in, there were plenty of consoles that could go online with separate tools. Even the SUPER NINTENDO could do it with the x-band cartridge.

[@zalabit927]

Man, it's great that these games are still played to this day, this is what preservation is about🙏🏻❤️

[@majicweather4890]

Lol i just noticed , now the dog moves and talks 😂. In a few more years ur going to have a VR avatar version of the dog lol

[@sawmanUK]

When I upgrade ms paint ..

[@mossen98]

Man i miss this game i still have it and my dreamcast. As for another MMO Once Human has honestly been pretty fun as you brought up "MMO" is quite different nowadays but it still has the core pillars while switching it up to a survival crafter as well.

[@AZodiacCancer]

My friend had a Dreamcast, he didn't have this game. But my brother had EverQuest Online Adventures 2 for PS2 and FF11 for PS2.

[@naurmael]

Loved this back in the day! Did not get very far but that's besides the point! Hoping to get you to checkout another game from my childhood, an MMO called Xenimus. Thanks for the content!

[@ikeaira8701]

I miss MMORPGs like this :( Wish more were made like this nowadays, but people are just too anti-social nowadays...thus devs design based around that

[@catspiracytheorist2138]

I couldnt agree more. Im guessing people have become anti-social bcuz of toxic egotistical elitism but that can be minimized through systems like what FF14 has with marking new players as sprouts so ppl can be more understanding if a sprout makes mistakes in a dungeon. I wish MMOs would give players at least the option to decide whether to do group content or solo content. Rather than force one over the other. There needs to be an equal amount of group content and solo content if that will be the compromise, not solo content 90% of the game like FF14’s main story questline.

[@Everiithiing]

This was the first game I ever played online I was up 3days no sleep. I was 10.

[@RazorCamel]

this game was my childhood

[@Saucraban]

More pleople playing this game tonight than Concord at its peak

[@TheCaosshadow]

Great vid mate, keep up the great content 👍

[@sawmanUK]

Cheers, I appreciate it

[@Pickers44]

genuinely great video!!

[@sawmanUK]

🥹👍

[@XxArkitaxX]

I swear if I have to advertise NGS for this company they're so gonna owe me ⚰️

[@Aurelli]

Always good to see more people coming back to real pso. Hope you're srull enjoying it!

[@DimitrisVasil]

I am so glad the community is still active for this game.

[@Sonlokill]

i actually thoght you added that famous slap sound on the first monster attack

[@vic8230]

17:00 this boss battles is pretty awesome stuff for the year 2000 on a DC, or GC/Xbox. I had a dc back in 2000/2001 when I was like 10. No Internet though. I wouldve absolutely loved this and I never would have moved off of it 😂.

[@wildphilpresents]

Man takes me back. I played PSO on PSP ssssssoooo much.

[@GarnetDust24]

It’s a whole new world. Shining like a pearl. A WHOLE NEW WORLD.

[@Nightweaver1]

I had a DC back in 2000 and actually rented a copy of this from my local video store, so technically it was my first MMO as well, even though I was 20 years old and too stupid to know what the hell I was doing in it, because I had never seen an MMO before. Btw I don't know if it's on your shortlist or not, but consider trying out Fallen Earth Classic. I have about 55 hours in that game and it's a really nice and immersive, post-apocalyptic MMO with at least a few hundred people still playing.

[@RisingRevengeance]

I only ever played it offline as a kid because we didn't have internet. I have fond memories of it but yeah it was probably not the ideal way to play it.

[@yozu8612]

Next on the list PSO2?! Live reaction to Quna's concerts?! 😸 Great video

[@sawmanUK]

It is in my steam library....

[@theremix54]

Pso2 is an absolute piece of dogshit. I spent hundreds of hours forcing myself to enjoy it. But I can’t. A jumbled piece of shit that shares no characteristics with the original other than item names, and no charm to make up for that.

[@z0h33y]

as a PSO1 player, going into PSO2, its just not the same. PSO2 is way more of a MMORPG, theres dailies, weeklies, all these currencies, etc etc, its very much a MMO, but its just not as good as FFXIV, WOW, FFXI, GW2, etc. Whereas PSO1 is more like Diablo, you can hop in for a bit, do a couple runs, and actually find an upgrade, without having to deal with all the MMO shit.

[@RPGOmen]

@@theremix54 The original PSO2 was great. New genesis was meh when it came out and would only be good if it didn't have the name association.

[@starstarstar4643]

The franchise started out on console so you dont need to explain why youre playing BB with a gamepad

[@Penumbra-AoC]

I love your dead and irrelevant content :D keep it up please :D

[@rohleek5939]

This looks so good for 2000 😮

[@Natzawa]

It really is good. The drop rate system in this game is top tier. I like all the weapon switching mechanics too.

[@pengwinz6]

Thank you for this! I am downloading the client now!

[@sawmanUK]

Enjoy!

[@puppy14]

I'm still very much playing it. Got a copy of PSO Plus and remade my old characters, got them both over level 100. I'll never find my 40% hit Red Sword again (or 45%, can't remember), but I'm still very much enjoying it.

[@StabbyMcGroin5264]

I was never able to get online with this sadly but that didn't mean I didn't put over 100 hours into it as a kid. This game started MMOs for me.

[@encantarebelde]

On Xbox I would save my char to a memory card and walk over to a friend's house for local multiplayer. No Internet needed

[@EricSanAltarez]

This game was everything to me during my high school years but version 2 was where it’s at. I was in a small group (I would say 60+ ish through Dreamcast AND Gamecube) that only did certain battle rules particularly 6. Gosh, I must went through like 3 Dreamcasts up until the GameCube release.

[@maneco88]

Imagine a nintendo switch ver.

[@ChibiTheEdgehog]

Best grond, find someone woth a speead needle, hit enemies (even if 0 damage) at least once, let the spreadneedle user kill the mobs, then benefit. A Spreadneedle user can kill an entire room in one shot

[@maxwell4322]

The story of the game is told in the intro cut scene. Even in the first lines. Crazy that you got it wrong.

[@sawmanUK]

crazy

[@shiro3146]

cant wait you review PSU(Phantasy Star Universe)

[@GrumpyWarVet]

Welcome HOME~!

[@blinx44]

I love this game! Used to play it on Dreamcast back in the days, with a 56k modem nad it didn't lagg! Crazy good job for these days what SEGA did in terms of online play on a console. Sadge that you didn't use much of the PSO soundtrack, it's insanely good! Nice video anyways!

[@FUall19956]

I got in to pso quite late in to it's Xbox life cycle, made it to only like level 60 something but I had a blast playing it and that felt like it was a lot of play time for me, honestly a simple MMO like this again would be amazing

[@RPGOmen]

I once did a paper that ended up being far too many pages on MMOs that included their inner workings and necessary features once. It should be noted that a subscription model does not equal MMORPG. PSO was a multiplayer lobby game that only allowed a couple people in a zone at once (it even had a single player offline mode, which is not present in true MMOs). It is more akin to Diablo II and the original Guild Wars, both of which were labeled as an online multiplayer game (in GW's case, competitive online game by its developers). To be an MMO in this time period -- or even the current time period -- it needs to have multiple key defining factor that the grandfathers of such had; to wit, for one, a huge, persistent world with a massive amount of players entering and exiting it without restrictions such as Ultima Online and Everquest. Even Meridian 59, which is the oldest among these, was recognized as having such. To go even further back, the game named "MUD1" was created in 1978 and was a text based game. It allowed all players to enter the same persistent world that continued even if they logged out of it, and player's actions could even effect the world around other players. Final Fantasy XI is one of the first console MMO that sported a large, explorable, persistent world where you could makes some changes others could see (such as opening pathways that will stay open until someone closes it so that they may open a different pathway). Though Phantasy Star could very well be one of the first Online console RPGs -- which was a cutting each technology for consoles at the time. Some discrepancies started to show even with World of Warcraft, in that it did not have much world-altering changes (aside from random resource spawns and something simple like Stitches) that players could instigate until the opening of the gates of Ahn Qirag whereby it was a server wide effort and PvP stage that permanently opened a small area and a raid for the entire server. Prior to this, games like MUD1 and even Ultima Online had world altering effects on a grand scale, such as building castles and player towns in the open world and even taking over NPC towns in Felucca through Wars and electing Mayors. The same could be said with Star Wars Galaxies. Dark Age of Camelot and RF Online also had a persistent three-way war that could change various things, such as who controlled valuable resource areas in RF. It could be argued that World Bosses that only appear once every couple of days is a change, though that will be a nuanced argument. Guild Wars 2 was touted by Arenanet to be a true MMO, unlike its predecessor (it was actually a big marketing push of theirs) due to the persistent world and the amount of players that could enter and exit it -- not to mention the events that "randomly" occurred that could temporarily change the world. One easy example of such is failing to fight off worms in a farm, and the water spraying out of the sprinklers then shooting out green, poisonous water instead of pure water. Following this, the original PSO2 was also not an MMO. Though they went that route with New Genesis to differing outcomes. Honestly, the game was best as a lobby game, in my opinion, and it becoming an MMO is what caused it to lose is charm. If we thin the lines of descriptors for games, we will eventually have a lobby game with four player co-op instances that could also be played offline be called MMOs. Which is exactly was PSO was. We could even stretch it further if we go that far and say any game with an online leaderboard, even if it has single player offline mode like PSO did, is an MMO. Perhaps even local co-op with 2-4 players. Since the game will likely have a massive audience. So Massively Multiplayer 4 player Online Game. To be honest, I am skeptical in calling PSO2 New Genesis an MMO since it only allows 32 people in an area at once. The same could be said with games like Blue Protocol. Though they do have random events, bosses and changes players could potentially make in the persistent open areas.

[@MysteryGrayLeaf]

Historically, the term "Massively" in relationship to "Multiplayer" only qualifier is more than 16 players. Now it should be noted that the servers for PSO can handle 1000 players simultaneously. Of which, the card system can allow players to save ~100 people in their "friend" list. Which they can join in-action lobby regardless of which sub-section of the server they are on. As well as the social lobby handling way more than four players. Big open Persistent Worlds are not a requirement for MMOs. In fact, it is more common to say PvP is the only real requirement for a MMO. PSO PvP trailer: kzbin.info/www/bejne/moXcdqWZmdSAotk Thus, it is a MMORPG. Large servers, large social lobby(>16 players), has PvP. SOE's Raph Koster: "At the time, 16-player was a big deal. So, if you had a multiplayer game that exceeded 16, you might as well call it massive." MMOG: Massively Multiplayer Online Game MMOPW: Massively Multiplayer Online Persistent World MMORPG: Massively Multiplayer Role-Playing Game In this historical context Everquest, Ultima, Meridan 59, World of Warcraft are a sub-genre of mmorpgs being MMOPWRPGs.

[@RPGOmen]

​@@MysteryGrayLeaf Since you didn't address much in my post and simply gave the lowest possible circumstances to name something an MMO -- backed only by a marketing pitch talking about the marvels of the internet that only said "might as well", I'll respond assuming you are correct and apply it to this video. The year: 2000. The month: October. The console: Dreamcast. The game: Quake Arena 3. The Point: 16 player PVP multiplayer (with more via reported risky server, game and networking modifications whose technical barriers were pain in the ass; while there were some minor success with Dreamcast with modifications, the PC version had more tools and less crashes) with potentially thousands logged into the servers at once switching around at will while all connected. Two months before PSO. Making it the first MMO going by this incredibly loose logic that's backed by stretching hearsay. That's not even the only example, but Quake is probably one of the better known ones. With MMOs specifically, we also have to come to terms with Lan. There were many games that could do more than 16 players that involved private servers or Lan connections. If we go by the "might as well be called massive", then 32-128 player lan could be described as such. Although it had no dedicated servers and no persistent world that was maintained and always online. Though the fact remains that this all perverts the definition of MMOs to the point where literally anything could be such -- even games like the original Starsiege Tribes in the 90s with 32-128 capture the flag and king of the hill servers that you directly connected to via a list will now be also be called MMOs despite never being called this before this very moment in time. It would be prudent for people to call Halo the greatest MMO of all time who enjoy it. To counter the hearsay given, It even goes against Arenanet's own assertions -- and not just "might as well" -- where they flat out said their first game was not an MMO and that it was a Competitive Online Multiplayer Game (and them saying they understand the confusion, but that's how they consider their own game). With them then taking that and running with it to officially announce that GW2 would be an MMO because it had a persistent world. Even Diablo 2, an example given earlier, would not fall into this category as it could handle thousands of people online, in a lobby, showing their characters at the bottom, with people communicating. AOL had Role Play chat rooms with a hundred people (millions connected and able to join at any time), and there were constant role play fights; there was even PvP in the form of trivial with a game AOL had with three empires, with people going into chatrooms to tell everyone the answers so their empire gets the highest amount of points (Drakthul Empire FTW). Now it is the grandfather of MMOs, pushing aside the likes of Ultima Online and Everquest. Standing just below Mud1. I'm sorry, but this is just absurd and doesn't follow logic that hasn't been stretched to oblivion, and has no backing shown. It just screams similarities to the whole "P2W" debate where some take it literally and not as a definition by term. Early Korean MMOs, many of which didn't have PvP, sold or rented items. Such as a weapon that had inflated states and an item that gave +50% total critical rate. Many of these just being super grindy games for levels. The base release of Ragnarok comes to mind, as it was a game focused solely on this and didn't update to other aspects until later in its cycle. Thus the term P2W was created. To my own shame I rented the +50% item for like $30 a month. Games like WoW were actually my 15th or 16th MMO at the time that I seriously played. But given this description, it's probably close to the 100th. To wit, the phrase "Might as well call it massive", taking out the fluff, we get massive. Massive and Massively are two different things; one is a word and one is a part of a term. His own words even betray this interpretation, as he wouldn't need to say "you might as well" if it simply was. We could even assert that Genshin Impact, with its large playerbase all connected to the server at the same time, able to converse and have friends lists of many... as well as join any other world at any time is an MMO. It even has its own form of PvP in seeing who has the best geared character to see who gets the right to play them, as well as time trials and damage. Why even call Tower of Fantasy an MMO as a distinction when MMO doesn't mean MMO anymore.

[@omegamanGXE]

no one cares nerd

[@novaCD4]

Still works better than some modern online games. Love playing on Gamecube and some BB on PC. Might get my Dreamcast running it too.

[@Captt95]

i miss this game so much, i really hope sega does a remaster on it like they plan on doing for the other games.

[@novaCD4]

I love v2 on the Dreamcast. On the road to Level 200 with a RAcaseal.

[@borgmardunkleson2225]

Ephinea still blows me away

[@pengwinz6]

I love the video. Just wish people took character creation and name selection more seriously.

[@gjergjaurelius9798]

Played this game on Dreamcast to Xbox. Every night with some friends until 4am in the summer.

[@NobushigeAzai]

YOU SERIOUSLY DROP RIGHT BEFORE I GO TO WORK? CLUCKIN' LEGEND!

[@sawmanUK]

Is that a good thing or not?

[@NobushigeAzai]

@@sawmanUK I have an hour walk to work. Think about how many times I can play this video in that time.

[@sawmanUK]

@@NobushigeAzai 🤣🤣

[@NobushigeAzai]

@@sawmanUK thank you for the entertainment.

[@shinosmodspot4267]

good good gj bud u picked the right private sever Ephinea is the best sever up right now all others have extremly few players on it to maybe 10 or 20 or so at a time ephinea can have up to 500 at a time online

[@bogartwilley]

I've met people that played since PSO launch that don't know this, so I'll leave it here. When attacking, each consecutive attack increases in accuracy... This is why you often see people using light attack then heavy or special attacks.

[@peteno108]

I played a lot of PSO on xbox. I remember back then right after you started playing, someone would drop a bunch of duped mags on you. You'd fill your bank with them even though you didn't understand what they did.

[@CrusaderGamin]

the dragon looked as good as any wow dragon boss. this game was probably alot of fun when it came out

[@OldGamerMugenCreation]

I love how you explain in clean and easy understanding how to your able to play PSOBB Private server on your Video and very well done and is pure 100% accurate and very helpful. but in future dude you don't have to use Avatar DOG for this video >.< omg CREEPY MUSH.....I give a like button to your video for very well done video guide. BUBA NU DOGGIE okay

[@fedorrussel3810]

I've never played this game but man, it looks dope;I might give it a try

[@KUPSMusic]

You should try Requiem: Desiderium Mortis its a unique old/dead mmo that was revived quite a bit ago. for me it was hard to get up and running but if steam does not work they have their own website where you can get the game as well. Nice video thanks for covering content like this.

[@saskefan3000]

Man I had no idea what I was doing on this game as a kid on my Dreamcast. All I remember is fighting those bear things in this video and turning the game off every time😭

[@LumbyMcGumby]

I was playing this on my ogxbox for awhile was a crazy experience. Bought a USB keyboard and everything to type on it haha