EGO DEATH - The Art Of Ritualized Surrender

Exploring The Art Of Ritualized Surrender: In the act of letting go you realize who you are!
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[@solacesolitude2632]

I've been listening to Jason Silva for around two years and can humbly say that I've watched around 70% of his videos. Many have been awe-inducing, intellectually stimulating, and poetic, but there was something about this video. It captured many of the topics you've been talking about for years. The long length of this video combined with the brilliantly spoken words and integration of awe-inducing edits is "nothing less than poetry." Just WOW Shots of Awe. Please continue producing content. You're truly inspiring some of us out here.

[@pelushebeta]

Couldn't agree more with you. This one has that somethinh that makes it go beyond being special :)

[@JakeZaleski]

I totally agree! that's why I support him on www.patreon.com/JasonSilva, you should too!

[@lcarthel]

Yeah I think he finally took LSD at burning man

[@EscolaAltaMente]

not just some... but most of us!!!

[@earthstonearts]

Jason is one of possibly 3 people worldwide that ignite my mind in such a unique way and after absorbing his insights for about two years now too.. I see real changes now in motion through my organizations that he inspired me to launch. What an exciting time to be alive, my friends.

[@Hamishamishamishamish]

I experienced ego death a few years ago, very odd but grounding. Just makes it harder to relate to people who haven’t experienced it or cannot comprehend it

[@6toolbaseball]

Same. I can’t relate to anyone that hasn’t some drugs now haha

[@uservn6pp214]

I have depersonalization so Iam 24/7 ego dead

[@theearthisntflatpleasestop9899]

You can't come back from ego death it's permanent. You become God in human flesh after it like Ramana Maharshi. kzbin.info/www/bejne/rZzGinR8fM-ejLc kzbin.info/www/bejne/op2xiZ57oKaZn7M

[@joerenetacsay9401]

@@uservn6pp214thas that gad to do with ego death?

[@uservn6pp214]

@@joerenetacsay9401 literally not having an identity more like “living as a 3rd person” not even knowing who is actually typing right now.

[@eggy7684]

I have been lost and I suffer from severe anxiety and ocd and people like you have helped me thank you so much

[@Colakugel]

This fits perfectly to my experience when I let go of control when programming and entering a flowstate. This overcontroling of the mind is something you need to overcome, but it is really hard.

[@shavid18]

"This has become the central proocupation of MY LIFE" Awesome video and speech, man!

This has become the central occupation of my life too. 🤓 what a beautiful poetic way to describe those moments of becoming one with the infinite source. 🙌🏽

[@va-y-viene]

😍

[@QuinnYouTube]

This one was especially brilliant

[@LS-kg7hc]

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[@morgenthau5986]

life is an achemical process, change is the true nature of things, great pain comes from resisting it, i speak from expienece. to let go is to invite the new to start over. nature is a teacher and the signs are there for the those open enough to look for them. thank you for this video. this video is just gold! love goes out 😌🙏

[@cameronluke7255]

I had an ego death in the rainforest with a shaman in an ayahuasca ceremony, and ever since I sometimes get waves of disorientation/confusion of what life really is.. then I watch shots of awe and it brings me back to my bass line and I get it again, your a legend Jason.

[@earthstonearts]

I absolutely LOVE this. It is exactly where I am at with my learning and understanding of everything and so hearing you phrase it in such an articulate manner helps me feel less insane about the crazy process of giving in to the creation of flow. Thank you Jason, once again you have revolutionized and inspired a new day for me. Namaste, brother.

[@kimberawification13]

Ego death is an experience still argued and denied today even by many psychonauts! There is a book that teaches you to recognize the moment of ego death, The Psychedelic Experience a manual based on the Tibetan book of the dead. The idea is that the ancient Tibetan llamas had these psychedelic rituals and guided people through ego death and even used sound, musical instruments to let the one journeying know what stage they are at that moment. The book helped me immensely and I am profoundly grateful.

[@maryeugeniaparedes8935]

GRACIAS GRACIAS GRACIAS I don't get tired of thanking you for sharing, for putting into very eloquent words what a bunch of us are feeling & experiencing!

[@BlazejLukas]

Shots of awe make me glow inside out with the pure insight, principle raw. Connection of mind and soul, inspiration distilled, deluxe delight of evident coherent light, ready to be further lived. Tested by the fire of life to either thrive and roll or to get another shot of awe...

[@NeonsStyleHD]

By rejecting fear! Fear is the enemy. The more you give in to it, the greater the power it has over you. If you refuse to engage with it, then you are set free by it. You can open yourself fully and engage with the world, and all it's facets! Never give in to fear, every time it raises it's ugly head, consciously reject it! Happiness lies in there! Free of fear, you can reach your full potential. So have courage, and let it go! The other side is beautiful!

[@therealfranksummer]

I remember I left a comment on a video a few months ago asking you to bring back these more elaborate shots of awe videos, and I'm so glad you did! Truly, these videos are a chance for us to experience exactly what you're describing. Thank you so much for these inspired messages of light. That we may we all achieve unconditional love (-:

[@EscolaAltaMente]

thats when the body becames eletric! its insane how good this can feel!!! always with Terrance and you...tapping into a continuous state of understanding!

[@jmahorney]

This is so close to perfect. ❤ I would love to see them reshoot it. The other footage is excellent, but I would either change the speaker or rework/refocus him: His joyous charisma is delightful and inviting (and the dialog perfect!), its only the visual part the selfy video capture: it’s washed out and shaky which conflicts with the other footage. Last note: the sincerely and beautiful intimacy if of his message is confounded by the sunglasses. Eyes are the window to the soul. I’d like to see his eyes and I would love to listen to him.❤

[@bobbyrashy]

Are you looking for a sure place where you can buy the best🍄🌿 shrooms, DMT, lsd and other psychedelic products ……!!!!!

[@cryptoshaman888]

Best episode ever! Thank you, and I love you!

[@NathanMaingard]

Watching this as I prepare for my next medicine ceremony...and all I can think is how I wish I were as switched on, eloquent and successful as Jason. Shit son, it's gonna be some WORK this weekend 😅

[@JonasAnandaKristiansson]

THIS IS WHAT JUST SHOULD HAVE MILLIONS OF VIEWS. Game changing. Beautiful.

[@qcnicolas]

This. Is. Illumination! LOVE ♥️

[@AhhVeeDaa]

One of the best videos you've made Jason. Well Done!

[@jesspro8801]

Jason I have reached out to you in the deepest desperation, needle in hand, fully loaded, plunger pulled backed PRAYING this would be my last shot. I didn’t put it that specifically but clearly relayed my simple message that I could not imagine another day in the pain I was experiencing at the time. I asked for nothing more from you but even 1 sentiment of ‘you are cared for’, or ‘you have purpose’, or ‘don’t be so selfish’. I didn’t even need your words. You could have done what you do best and quoted someone else with a quote that applies perfectly. Listening to you has led me to look up some of the best artists, psychiatrists, philosophers, motivational speakers, etc. and for that alone, I am eternally grateful. However, that was exactly a year ago this month and though I saw where you did in fact read my most desperate message to you, you couldn’t take 3 minutes to respond with even someone else’s words. I must say, and maybe I’m being selfish and inconsiderate by asking that of you, I think it’s totally contradictory to most everything you post about in your TouTube videos (which I used to listen to first thing everyday). Your post set me on a journey that has been most unbelievable because you spoke of oneness and how we are all connected, 2 things I failed to ever see before. But if you truly believed that then my pain would be worth 1 sentence of encouragement from you for the greater good. Obviously the last shot didn’t do the trick and I can only assume that means I have more to do here because it should have killed an elephant. And although I don’t like it, I have since come to the understanding that what I thought, which was offing myself, would be a gift to my loved ones, is actually not true. And unfair as I think that may be, if I’m truly on the path to better myself in order to leave a more positive footprint on this existence for those that come behind me, suicide is not conducive to that. So I muster every bit of strength I have everyday to get up and experience life with the most positive and giving attitude I possibly can. Some days are easier than others. Some days I need reminding that I’m here for a reason and I have ways of conjuring up those reminders at will now. I’m just so disenchanted by you completely which further promotes my biggest concern for the continuation of my growth which is my complete failure in the character judgement, or intent rather, of others. I have an impeccable knack for trying to be helpful to or befriending the most manipulative, narcissistic, fake, mask doting people who use my kindness with a sense of entitlement and no thoughts of how they could pay it forward but rather how they can use me to there advantage, in one way or another. And maybe they are the ones that need what little I have to offer the most. But I prefer it not be at the expense of my pursuit of happiness. Am I that naive, that stupid or am I selfishly trying to feed my own needs? Idk but that’s not a question for you as I see you as another one of my failures for seeing people as completely opposite of what they portray themselves to be. I’m disappointed yes but nothing goes to waste so it’s just another lesson in this semester of lives. Sincerely, I owe you a debt of gratitude for that. I’m just disappointed that someone I once ridiculously called my shaman, turned out to be less than perfect.

[@bobbyrashy]

Are you looking for a sure place where you can buy the best🍄🌿 shrooms, DMT, lsd and other psychedelic products ……!!!!!

[@trialsite1982]

An 'autoimmune disorder of the self'! Amazing 🙏

[@randywa]

The issue isn’t necessarily the anxiety but that people don’t know how to look within themselves, find its cause and come to a resolution. You will feel painful emotions in life. The key is to learn how to listen to your subconscious and hear the cause of those feelings. Then using an honest and logical process to come to terms with that feeling. Sometimes, you’ll realize after looking within your self that that bad feeling is justified. If you did something wring, let the painful guilt consume you and push you to be a better person. The key to this is just listening to yourself. Ask yourself why you feel a certain way and just patiently wait for your mind to give you answer prices that you can put together. You already know it deep down. You just have to make an effort to observe your mind. Btw, it could hurt to come to term with your real feelings, to let go. It will hurt, but like this guy says, it’s worth it. When you stop lying to yourself(which admittedly is very easy) you will see the truth in your mind and there will be more peace in life. Take it slow. Don’t go full dive instantly. Start observing yourself bit by bit for a short dedicated time every day.

[@matttaylor7897]

Thankyou.

[@rinaldo-rex]

Combine this with Carl Jung's shadow, and Alan Watt's simplicity, and keep connecting the dots from there on - it's a rabbit hole that is bound to open up doors you never knew existed in the first place. Indeed, _A shot of awe!_ Thank you. :-)

[@stnicholas4116]

When I was 16 I took 2 tabs of acid and it was my very first time tripping on anything… in about 3 hours I lost… myself. And since then I feel as if I’ve beeen different socially and emotionally. Not to mention I’m able to have outstanding self control with addiction and overconfidence… I’ve been enlightened

[@KanyeKetchup]

Daam 2 tabs first time 😮

[@naturaln8vnationalist893]

"In safe containers and with the proper containers deployed. " Crucial. I found out the hard way two times over. New names new lands. Make yourself with care people.

[@MrMadizm]

Jason Silva, thank you sir. 🙏🏼

[@nateprince]

Jason, simply awe inducing. You are speaking to future generations, and the present, and if successful on your journey will be a golden drop of transformation on this planet. Thank you for being fearless enough to share your vision. ✌️

[@chrisbessey358]

A dying plant, an argument between lovers, a tender moment between a father and daughter, a crying baby, a sky of burning stars, all time, all space, all matter, all spirit, all creatures, all love, all hate, all jealousy, all being, all non-being, all that was and will come to pass. In the moment of feeling small in comparison to all, I feel so comforted. As if the universe wraps her arms around me in embrace. I feel so connected with the universe, and as if it sees me and knows me. I realize it is only the part of the universe inside me reacting to itself. We are gods, we are beasts, we are the breathing universe thinking after itself.

[@rockthehouse9685]

A 6-minute trip! He's quite the performer with a silver tongue. Love Jason Silva!

[@amymegr]

Another classic completed. Th💕k you Jason, brother, kindred for speaking to our deepest Knowings.

[@naamapate722]

Thank you Jason for existing, thank you so much for bringing some meaning in this perpetually crazy world.. You make my life so much better 😍😍

[@thewiseturtle]

How? A few basic steps that allow us to reenter the flow of life: 0. Identify what most precious person, place, or thing you've loved and lost. 1. Identify the individual/group who you most want to share your story of loss to and tell them about it in depth, using the most emotionally expressive media you can think of. 2. Fail to explain your story in a perfect way, and come to terms with your, and the world's, natural imperfections. 3. Recenter your ideals, based on what was most important to you about the person, place, or thing you lost, and use that to define your new goals for your purpose in life. 4. Seek out new collaborators who can help you reach your goals in a playful, and creative way. Repeat, forever.

[@lusemi1008]

What a wonderful diverse approach to look after. Thank you for sharing.

[@MrScoobydoo12]

I fell into "the feather bed" and realised that it was infinite loneliness and Terror

[@fabulousonephilosophy]

This is my most favorite video of yours!! Just pure fire! I love it!! Thank you so much. Your videos woke me up. I created a playlist with 30 shots of awe videos and listened to them each time I went jogging🔥🙏🤗

[@bobbyrashy]

Are you looking for a sure place where you can buy the best🍄🌿 shrooms, DMT, lsd and other psychedelic products ……!!!!!

[@camilorussi3454]

Absolutely connected with what you say and how you say it. So much truth and wisdom packed in a short video, also, beautifully crafted in poetic expression. Can't wait to see more on this topic :)

Inspiration is nothing but short for what your contents do to my inner self. Thanks for the illumination and the mind-blowing creativity fuel!!!

[@chrisinderkum9475]

Mine too my friend, and I think the answer lies beyond our individual persona, I belive it is something to be achieved as a comunity FIRST, before being attained permanently as an individual. The main problem is that our current society pulls us back in to our ego minds before we even realize it, but progress is being made, slow and steady, as it always has. We can only sit back and enjoy the ride or do our best to speed it up. I love the fact that you're spreading this message.

[@AWood28]

I went way too far down this weekend and my ego was fighting the surrender. Scary but magical

[@artakan303]

Great medication for ego death: 5-meo-DMT

[@Sabnock1990]

And Ayahuasca :)

[@andysux1]

8 gs shrooms and up. What an experience

[@luisespinoza9277]

and falling into a k hole

[@chrisbrown2211]

please elaborate

[@cameronluke7255]

Iv done this a few times, a very scary experience when you don't realize whats really happening, now when it happens I try and learn and experience that other dimension and it completely obliterates your ego its insane :O

[@vera.veritas]

A flash second can mean so much for the soul 🕊⚡️😻

[@tonypop1007]

Just beautiful

[@EscolaAltaMente]

Now I know... when I´m sending good flow energy to you, you just do perfect videos that suit on my chanel! Thats it teacher! thanks for your words! You help to inspire my students! thanks always!

[@J_spec6]

Dude.... That was fucking phenomenal!

[@Ziotic]

I had the worst experience on shrooms that anyone could ever imagine my first time but I really dont feel like explaining too much because its quite personal but basically I went through ego death. lets just say I got beat up by a lot of people because I went insane and thought I was dying inside of someone's house I barley knew and about 20+ people saw it all go down in person and now I basically have no friends because everyone thinks Im a psychopath.

[@rodrigoescamilla8807]

At least you’ve learned that you have to design the environment in which you enter such states

[@Truthinjesuschrist]

Tough to let go and not feel that way during a trip. Maybe something was telling you it just isn't right. I came out of these beliefs and landed on the bible

[@marquez4497]

Happened for a reason

[@pemetrexii]

Wow man. That must suck. Similar thing happened to me. I started screaming at the paramedics, just being rude and made a complete fool out of myself. Hope you feel better now.

[@nykcali]

Amazingly Inspiring!! Especially right after an Amazingly Inspiring breakthrough experience!!! Bravo Jason Bravo!!

[@omnificent15]

The simplicity in the other side of complexity..I'm with faith to meet you here.Take your time.

[@OrgilB]

When he starts whispering in a deep baritone, shivers!

[@juliemunro76]

Everything mentioned in this video happened to me. He speaks the truth.

[@qamarjulia5818]

Somehow, for a years a I was watching shots of awe and jason Silva's videos which for me were helping me with resist negative thoughts , bad times , and going farther looking or let me say "waiting " for the awe to shows up in my life , Nd it wasn't happening, I realized lately that I was resist my awe while I was looking for other's awe. When we saw awesomeness we feel totally joyful, weak, flow , something big is happening, we surrender to it to delight inside of us. So I decided to surrender to all names. It's an exciting infinite journey

[@modernmountainmonk9666]

Ironically this experience of ego death is found in stillness and silence, not over-stimulation. Still love the content!!!!

[@BDUB-vo6pl]

My heart goes out to all you poor lost souls...

[@AvoidTheseMemes]

Are you suffering from religion or something?

[@giannistsakiris5408]

Although I have been keeping an eye on the videos of Jason Silva, and got a lot of ideas and inspiration from them, I slowly come to realise that it is a bad thing to use awe so casually. It can become an addiction. Awe should serve the purpose of directing us to fruitful transcendental paths, and should not be an end in it self or it can degenerate into false beliefs that support an illusory trust in things that can destroy us. It's not necessarily a feather bed. Might be a stonebed... Just a thought

[@cindypatton2478]

What a beautiful explanation ♥️

[@sophia3371]

Yes I can feel this amazing.❤

[@theearthisntflatpleasestop9899]

Really good Pringles commercial.

[@mikeweber8402]

Every time you think his video is too much to take in, you let go and get catapulted into a sublime place, a sublime state.

[@haSHAH1]

Does anybody else see the funny in the way he speaks amd his vocabulary? He a great guy! #big fan

[@erichardin2005]

That was some deep truth, I truly understand, I wish everybody else did too.

[@TheeSirGeorge]

Please don't get me wrong. But what you're saying about the "after the moment of ego death passes" kind of dissonates with me. You seem to start off by kind of describing a similar experience as the beautiful ego death itself. Entirely skipping the part where after you experienced ego death, you come back to your often (still mostly) old self! To overcome this part of the challenge of the depression requires a lot of work of integration and what not. You did get the vision of what could be, but you still have to walk that path. Then, after what could be years of investing and learning (ok, maybe shorter too but not by default!) You are THEN able then to live the life as described here after the ego death. And I recommend you do it. Walk the path that leads to the authentic real you. That you is happy light. Luv y'all strange peeeeeps! Ty 4 reading. Jordan Peterson rocks.

[@eddierey5202]

Whoa.. shots of awe has evolved a notch or two. That was different.

[@brinksy5703]

How does this have 11,000 views and not 11 million.. just sad! We all need this ritualized surrender!

[@leslie5139]

Great narrator voice. Handsome too.❤️

[@zaylasoul]

Greatest video yet done like a true shaman! Thank you for recontextualizing God for us! It is now something beheld, conceivable, all words put in their proper places. This was great!

[@myyoutube8412]

Great video Jason....I'm so thankful that there's someone out there putting words to my thoughts that I didn't even know I had....yet I can't help myself from agreeing with every single one of them.

[@arejays6701]

The Best shots of Awe vid ever !!!!!!!!!!

[@NerdGeekFutureSpeak]

Who needs church when we've got you?

[@hectord2032]

..but this is our church Rachel.

[@NerdGeekFutureSpeak]

@@hectord2032 Amen to that

[@omgjewsareattacking]

He's speaking like a true pastor.

[@magnificentpup2875]

😭😖

[@badreddineblb9351]

lmao

[@gang6009]

Everytime I ego death my hands turn purple and I feel like I cant maintain my heartrate.

[@k.hudson4610]

Beautiful ❤

[@AnnieeBubble]

you gave me such a good idea for an app/game there which may end up being my life work! thank you for your continued (techno)optimism in a world so often bleak!

[@walkthewalk1945]

This is video that will help you during Psychedelic trips

[@thatstherecipe]

jason has reached the pinnacle

[@Surfingthekaliyuga]

Dude, Im 15 and I know you as the brain games dude. Hoo Lee Sheet. Im mind blownn.....

[@user-vg7gn5uu5v]

I'm addicted to your videos although it's not easy for non-native English speaker to understand your hard words.

[@elmurdoc]

Fear kills your ability to see beauty. ~Will Smith

[@thewriter8287]

What a dope video

[@andrewmagic7014]

Thank you!

[@davesvideos]

"How might we render ourselves holy?"--by seeing the nature of ourselves and our experience, and healing the conflict (the lack of wholeness) in our minds. How? By constantly seeing that 1) we are free to put our attention on what we choose 2) to see that what we choose to put our attention on is entirely what creates our experience. and 3) by seeing that only the peace / stillness / love that emerges from the 'surrender" into the full honesty that "we do not know what a single thing is, or is for", satisfies (not drama, ideas, and debatable concepts). The two things we can do this with (ie create our experience by putting attention on) are essentially "loving thoughts" (some form of the idea that "things are exactly as they should be / as I truly want them to be" ) ---or---"unloving thoughts" (some form of the idea that "things should be different / I want things to be different"). Putting attention on loving thoughts creates harmony, power / holiness, on unloving thoughts creates conflict, victimhood / unholiness. When upset (feeling "bad", ie, depression, rage, guilt, anger, fear or sadness etc) realize that you have chosen un-holiness, and that the SOLE source of this (your unhappiness) is your attention and insistence on the "reality" of (though you dont even know what a thing is or is for!) and the "validity" of these unloving thoughts / ideas (even if it is unconscious thoughts--they can be discovered and healed too). Then practice honesty (ie, you don't know that things "should'" be different, so stop the dishonest insistence that you do) stillness (breath awareness helps!), feel what you are feeling fully, and turn the mind back on itself, whenever there is upset, and find the unloving thought. Then heal it by turning it to a loving thought ( this "should be different" becomes "this (so far as I know) should be exactly as it is!). The loving thought must be true is peace is possible. There are depths and layers to this (the body is "thought" as well as the mind, for example), but the keys are above. "Your salvation rests entirely on your willingness to train the mind to think only loving thoughts". Stuff like arguing, complaining, blaming, projection, most substance "use" , drama, stimulation and so on is just a distraction from this one powerful thing and opportunity (and it is all OK, knock yourself out! It is perfectly ok to be asleep!). Might even get you laid, or fame, or attetnion (with other people also into delay and unholiness) and that is perfectly OK too!! Have fun with the drama!! For holiness, though, loving patience, practice / vigilance / and loving intention is required!! In this love, ego becomes irrelevant, as does drama. Love. Have love become the basis of your minds thinking. Loving thoughts. That is how we achieve holiness, / Wholeness. Good luck!

[@intelligentdesign8994]

I actually fell for this on facebook. But to be quite honest I don't believe it anymore. Fair enough, our egoic identity might be a hindrance to moving on sometimes. But our ego is part of our souls experience in that it is what has taught our souls lessons it needed to learn so that we can be armed with the experience of dealing with psychological and emotional obstacles. The moment we discard our ego, it doesn't mean that our past experiences just magically disappear and we ascend into a state of being that has no memory of the experiences of our ego and the lessons learned therein. Life flows like a river whether smoothly or otherwise and this can be equated to the flow of time. When a river comes to a sudden halt it overflows and damages everything around it.

[@bronxed3666]

i hope they are able to transfer consciousness to a system soon!!!! cause silva is something for ages to come!!!

[@JoshHewett]

My life as well my friend. This is all there is.

[@NumbaOneBuddhaSmoka]

MUCH LOVE BROTHA

[@Spiritual_Cyborg]

Shits gonaa be crazy when jason puts on his shades 😎

[@lunaearthly59]

Literal chills.

[@animatedzombie64]

i can feel Zero gravity when i surrender myself to his thoughts, i was like ooooo, feeling of flying in the infinity.

[@chrishansen2100]

Surrendering yourself to thoughts(especially someone else's) is probably the opposite of freedom

[@melissaoconnell5648]

[@arabianlayla1564]

thank you Jason silva

[@lisabrown8737]

Jason, thank you for sharing 'the central preoccupation of your life' with 'us'... I Am energized with the surge of connectivity, each & every time I tap into you Soul Bro 💓

[@MrJuliocarrero]

"May al beings be happy,be peaceful,be liberated"

[@neferneter]

This one was a bit of an overdose of awe

[@lucasfelipe024]

Name of this soundtrack?

[@West996]

Will rewatch next mushroom trip

[@econmachete]

"The bliss fuck crucifixion"

[@MrCiupol]

Masterpiece ❤️❤️❤️

[@Hawkeye-ve8bl]

Incredible!!

[@bruceclark2277]

What if someone has already done what we by reason of our inabilities cannot do? This "cannot do" is as certain as one not being able to pull oneself up by ones own bootstraps. Ego, by its very nature, cannot die to itself. There needs to be an outside source to take us into death that we may rise into life - it is not a work we can do ourselves but through association with an Other it is possible. For one to accept this one has to forego the last obstacle - egoic spiritual pride. We all like to think WE (the ego) have contributed by some effort (egoic) of our own - hence the ego continues as it celebrates its imaginary victory with all its sensual affirmations. The end result is more egoic gratification posing as spiritual experience whereas true egoic death is neither earned not attained but given. While it can be ecstatic it need not be - it's true hallmark is sacrificial love for the other - even when that other is your enemy.

[@Ayaime7]

Can you clarify what you mean please, my curiosity of what you speak is piqued. Can you explain what you mean further, The other -, is the other outside of self? or do you mean to say, soul/ spirit. or the conflict in and of its self is that ego death is more of an acceptance, cleansing, and more of a path to listening, and less conflict. You speak of it being neither earned nor attained. I disagree, in many ways, which is why i ask you to perhaps shed light in what you mean to say. The work one takes on self is, or perhaps the intent, intention theres the word im looking for,. The intent to dive deeply, to address the egos story one tells ones self. I very much believe experiences. Those stacked coincidences, or as you say experiences with the other- are very much earned and worked for in my opinion. Or perhaps thats just a peice on my own reality? Once one opens ones self up to spirit-other-awakening etc, I believe ego is neither bad nor good, right or wrong. Its a man made word the other or "spirit" doesnt really have an ego, ego says this is mine for me, and mine alone. Spirit just accepts. Its neither yours, even if its for you or an awakening experience. the inner child nurtured and treated properly and respected is allowed to have pride i believe deserves the recognition of warmth of these moments of worth. I really get a tad frustrated with alot of people. Its one thing to be humble, its quite another to continually strip away your inner childs worth. And all children deserve that feeling of worth. Which in these experiences of ego death, and child like awakening it more seems to be the case that its a healing of ego ratger than a loss. I.e will, i like my will to choose. Just as i like my will as it allows me these experiences, the key is in the surrender i believe. To as jason has said cleanse the perception. Its like a restart, every single one of us is climbing a pyramid and each time we get ro the top we only reach another pyramid. Which is why thinling less and being less ego tistical or "me me me" is essential. In my opinion society clothed the words, in many cases society has... derailed some words. Lol. Ego, self serving. I guesw ita just how. You cant pour from an empty cup.

[@bruceclark2277]

First I need to define my terms. By ego I mean that aspect of being that tends to centralise all things around itself. It manifests in self love, self-centeredness, greed, defensiveness, self gratification, the need to be right etc. All these aspects have their good sides but relating to the ego they are done in an inordinate, self centred fashion and their end result is isolation and hatred. One of these aspects is the ego's need for reward and recognition for one's efforts. For instance (not necessarily) your disagreement with this could be a manifestation of the ego saying "I am not willing to let go of my reward for effort. I need the recognition and sense of reward that my hard work has earned". People do find it difficult to accept things for free especially when it involves the spiritual . We need to think in some fashion that we have earned our right for our wellbeing. This is rooted in pride. Sometimes we are happy to receive for free but again the ego hijacks the gift by selfishly using it to boost its own agenda. I would say that the ego is so subtle that our highest spiritual endeavours are tainted with it. To try and extricate self from self is like trying to lift oneself up with ones shoe laces. Other terms have been used for ego such as "false self" "self" "the flesh" and the "egoic self". Whatever we call it, Ego cannot save itself - it needs another. You ask what or who is this other. It would have to be someone who has lived a life free of the egoic centre but who has also access to our humanity. Someone who understands our human egoic predicament and the suffering it entails yet does not succumb to it. For instance the Christian concept of Jesus Christ fulfills this. Here we have an other who lived a life of selfless giving to the extent that, when crucified by his enemies, cried "father forgive them". The experience of the early Christians is illuminated by a guy called Paul who said "I am crucified with Christ. Nevertheless I live - yet not I but Christ lives in me". So, for the Christian, the cross is inclusive as is also the resurrection. This requires no effort but rather simple trust or as Paul words it "by Grace not by works"- it eliminates any possibilty of egoic reward but does evoke gratitude. Furthermore the end is not so much death to the ego but rather the life that instantiates the same selfless enemy love displayed on the cross. I'm not sure many Christians have a handle on this but it is all there in the Bible and perhaps is the hallmark of true non-egoic Christianity and something worth pursuing but at great cost to self. Sorry for the delay and I hope it makes sense. I'm not dismissing Joseph's message. In fact I get a lot out of all his messages but since he mentioned the ego I thought I'd make this contribution.

[@Ayaime7]

@@bruceclark2277 Thank you for your reply, and the depth of your perception and insight. And your references indeed helped clarify what you mean. I just feel, and strongly that the concept of ego, ego death and selflessness, has been used for alterior motives, and in many ways to keep people in their place. Though I was baptised and ushered into catholism, and baptist, non denominational. Etcetera. When we journeyed into our Native American Roots. It for me, made many things clearer. There are many holes in the christian bible- at least i feel strongly there-in, that, that is so. , which i believe adds sometimes- with the wrong preaching amd along-side culture, and of course peer pressure verily adds turmoil to what many preach egoism. Inflated or deflated egoism. Though for terms sake, and lack of finding another word. Ill just use self. Simply self. I think the hardest part of this journey, at least speaking for my self, for i cannot really speak for another. Is the deep sense of shame, shame that i failed, shame that i have a sensw of self, shame that i did and most certainly desire to be respected, loved, needed, seen, heard, felt, appreciated. Though only I can do that for me. By working, listening learning, knowing what i know, and knowing I do not know. Though my inner self knows . I went on the most odd of journeys into self. No drugs are needes for that journey. It was a silent part of my self. So hurt. That was numb to the hurt and pain. And angry, angry at my self for not listening. To be quiet in the face of wrong doing. Well of course because my older mold was conditioned. To be, quiet, to hide, be complacent. Always patient. And well my inner child that ego, the demon others say is so wrong. Well she saved me. Not seperate of who i am. Not another not a nother personality. Some caged unloved version of my innocence. I dont like placing blame. Though the preachers of the world need to hear it. Ego and self are pure. Parts of self. Like jesus walked the great and morning star with the shadow of his demon and didnt soccumb. But accepted 40 days and forty nights. Alone. Exactly like tribes do for vision quests. Ive learned much alone. And though- but i love meeting people. And i love people like jason, jat shetty, neil degrasse tyson, michio kaku, jesus Gandhi and on and on. Who are real and uncut. I believe we all are just trying to figure it out. And jesus was satan and job, and mathew and paul tried to tell us. And well the atonement is for the church now. Though many perspectives there. Like flying idioms in the wind- three sheets, the church as in those that most likely and most definitely played on the bible, miss lead. And the church of self. Like there are different colors for chakras. And 12 stones in the altar. I have always enjoyed religion. And the puzzlement of it. And how it all kind of connects. My ego is simply angry for millions who get trapped by it. Re framing the way it's looked at ego can save you or hinder you is all i mean to say. But simply saying it has to die or go away doeant ring true for myself. Since my journey has been more of a stop letting yourself get hurt. If someone slaps my cheek or what not i wont turn the other cheek i may just punch the. This time. Lol jkjk. The other aide of that yes, many things people do are not worth your fretting. But when it is, you have to know how to draw the line. And how, and with the same respect. I really dont know why humanity needs to make it so, ..complex. People are complex enough, it doesnt needs to be so confusing ego death and how most religions have confused it a little. Not to say that i dislike them at all. I just kind pf view it from the perspective when you put it all together what do you got. Oh i so do have a journey to go with my ego. But you know what i lovw myself. And i can only love otgers as deeply as i do myself. Though ill definitely hang on to my fire. Just in case, because there really are horrible people in this world. Even if i know there are more good. Thanks for your time, i respect your insights, and agree and dissagree. And agree while disagreeing 😚

[@wwondertwin]

@@Ayaime7 There are holes in the version of the Bible that you have read because it's not the same Bible that the earliest Christians used. You should look into the texts that are known under the name "Nag Hammadi library" to get a more complete picture of what Christianity could and should have been. These are texts that were buried by early monks to prevent them from being burned as they got the order from the central church to do so when the current version of the Bible was canonised. The library was unearthed at the beginning of the 20th century and translated first in the 70's and lots of research has been done in the past decades into them.

[@Ayaime7]

@@wwondertwin is this the same era of the burning of alexandria? Algeria?

[@JULALAINE]

I am eternal, I have no death after the second death/ego death experience.

[@MarkWagner33]

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