Ego vs Toro: The battle of the electric two stages in a Canadian snow dump... are they ready?

[@brianfoley4328]

Ya gotta love Canadians...great comparison and friendly conversations...no hyperbole, just the facts.

[@NanoStudio9]

Thanks :)

[@GaryBrownrigg]

Yeah, but drop a hockey puck between us, and LOOK OUT!!!

[@brianfoley4328]

@@GaryBrownrigg Okay...you know that if you drop a hockey puck into a snowblower...can you say shear pins?

[@GaryBrownrigg]

@@brianfoley4328 😂 😂

[@brianfoley4328]

@@GaryBrownrigg You Canadians are alright.

[@Dave004]

Nice, I watch a lot of videos of these Ego snowblower reviews and they're in depth but they always show it clearing 2 or 3 inches of snow, not at all what I would even get the snow blower out for in our Canadian winters, nice to see snow blower reviews with a good amount of snow being plowed.

[@Jeo-What]

Here is a 2 feet of snow from Quebec Canada just for you: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eqLZpGmgfMqVg8k

[@quacksmack7449]

notice they dont show the longevity of these batteries, only bragging about buying MORE lithium cells to look cooler than the neighbor? A government worker's wetdream ....ugh,

[@NanoStudio9]

@@quacksmack7449 right so telling people the battery package I got under performs is me bragging about a wet dream. Your logic is irrefutable.

[@theirishman088]

It's a good thing no one uses cordless drills, impacts and the list goes in. Nothing like a corded drill right? I think the choice of ease is what people like. I can say using gas is great until the carb is gunked and oil is bad causing a studder all while trying to push snow that still won't throw. Then you can take it for a tune up for 200 and hope it runs next winter. I've watched about 100 ego reviews bc it is expensive and I have not seen anyone lose charge before a driveway is done. Plus I've watched it go through the plowed part of wet snow without issue also a few times now. Do a little homework. It's expensive but so far it looks good.

[@JS-ji5fl]

​@@quacksmack7449What the hell are you talking about? Go back to your MAGA rallies, Yeesh.

[@Harvey-jy2hl]

Thanks for the great video! I got the Ego two stage this season & am really liking it. For me the real test will be how durable the machine & batteries are.

[@NanoStudio9]

Thanks Harvey.

[@hernandayolearyallda]

How did it handle those big snow windrows at the bottom of the driveway, how big is your driveway?

[@wendeldickau]

3:09 I have the EGO snow blower. It handles it all very well however, run the auger speed as slow as you can get away with, if running auger at high speed batteries drain much faster.

[@shellderp]

I have only ever used eco speed, no problem. Can do my driveway twice on one charge

[@rawevoli]

Funny I just bought more batteries so I can leave it on turbo at all times. That way I can send snow far over the fence into the neighbor's driveway

[@emamihaelagimpirea6136]

Bought this for my small back deck in the Eastern Sierra. kzbin.infoUgkxoHYZbq5g9fkcAtinlTqstNlje-UQkCHN We get A LOT of HEAVY snow so I was a bit skeptical but it was worth it! After the first storm of the year this has exceeded expectations! It throws snow very well, even 10-12” + that said the more it piles up the harder it is to maneuver the machine. It is exceptionally light weight and overall exactly what I was looking for. If you have a large amount of snow and a lot of area to clear, you may consider something with a drive engine to help maneuverability, but for decks, second stories, roofs etc, you can’t beat the light weight to great snow throwing ratio. Side note, the chute rotator is a bit flimsy and it initially didn’t seem to work, after a few uses it seems to have loosened up.

[@rloewen]

I've got the EGO 2 stage and because its so light, I've found that in most cases I don't use the self propulsion and its easier since you're not managing the speed of it, or the forward motion locking it causes. It does help a little for the compacted snow like you started with at the bottom of the driveway, but probably once you were through that, or for the downhill run, I bet it's just as easy without and will make your battery go 3 times as long. I've had 4 inch snows lately where I did a 2 car parking pad, a backlane about 10 cars, a bunch of pathway in my yard, and about 20 houses worth of sidewalk all on the one charge of 7.5 batteries. I used the propulsion for the sidewalk and wherever else appropriate.

[@whyme6036]

My new EGO with two 10.5 batteries still only lasts 15-17 minutes on the amount you were showing, and it’s interesting that the more powerful Toro performs about the same battery wise but it’s weight helps plow better though I would not like the significant weight difference to get that. You will need more batteries to do more than your own driveway area.

[@Dave004]

I wonder if chains on the tires would help with traction? I'd assume the tires move slow enough the chains shouldn't impact the driveway really.

[@randomrazr]

are u not happy with the ego?@@whyme6036

[@F40-c4i]

It’s 4” of snow, make it 1.5ft of wet snow and you won’t even get 1/5th that driveway alone done. Battery will 100% shutdown from overheating before it’s even drained.

[@randomrazr]

same with the toros?@@F40-c4i

[@paulmarshall5961]

I briefly owned the 26" version of the Toro. It was ok with the light fluffy snow like they're dealing with in this video, but it was grossly over matched against wet snow of any depth. Even moving at a crawl and taking half cuts, the snow just kind of fell out of the chute. I would have happily sacrificed more battery life for some additional power, but it just wasn't there.

[@hernandayolearyallda]

What'd you get instead?

[@paulmarshall5961]

I went back to an Ariens 24" two stage. I was very fortunate, the Toro dealer gave me about 80% of my money back (they had a no refund policy).

[@coniccinoc]

I swear I am currently debating between the two blowers you mentioned. I just switched to electric for my lawn care equipment and but wasn't sure about which two stage to get for the winter. Thank you for the comments you left. I think the snow we get is worthy of gas power.

[@LL-mt2nz]

@@coniccinocI would consider the Toro 26” version of this machine for the automatic steer. Skip the 24” snowblower. Toro is also releasing a 60v SnowMaster. For me, Toro is a superior platform. If you ever need a part in a pinch, you should find a dealers near by.

[@coniccinoc]

@@LL-mt2nz Thank you for the advice. I currently have an older Honda single stage 520. I just replaced the paddles and belt. The engine runs strong but I am sick of the thing clogging up all of the time. Both the paddles and belt were due for replacement, hopefully this helps.

[@WatsitTooyah]

Starting 4th season with that toro ☃ I just had to replace the motor controller, totally my fault.. Make sure you clean out behind the impeller especially when it's super cold!

[@Nohandle4me2]

I have an electric mower, brush cutter and chain saw. You can’t beat them for convenience that’s for sure….. until the weather gets hot. Good ol Australian summer and autumn. Then the mower and brush cutter might last 5-10 minutes (also depending on humidity as well). We do have some pretty tough grass though. Great video guys 😊

[@NanoStudio9]

I’m surprised the mower also has short run time? How do you like the chain saw? I need more tools so I can swap out the batteries!

[@barrybebenek8691]

😂 meanwhile the guy in the background with his gas blower, just goes straight through it all.

[@fate7623]

The guy in the background looks like he has an ego, too

[@dryogi4055]

Thanks for the video. The problem is that an EGO 56V ARC 7.5 Ah lithium battery costs $530. Like everything else in life, there are pros and cons, so it will likely be a personal choice rather than A is better than B. Cheers.

[@wadexyz]

Yup. The battery performance over time is the true test of how good of a product it will ultimately be.

[@ll-ye4ye]

Great video! Thank you for your contribution. Personally I’ll go for ego simply because they’ll release their new 400watts pure sine wave inverter soon, so I can take advantage of the large batteries come with the snowblower. Those can be used to power our tankless water heater, gas fireplace during a power outage. Toro does not have any inverters available yet.

[@biggyboodles6458]

Toro does have an inverter available, it runs around $130. My wife and I were just talking about picking one up last night.

[@olic12]

In my building, we use the Toro with three batteries. This is our third winter with this snowblower. We use it a lot and on large surfaces. It's really a beautiful machine, we've had almost no maintenance to do and it still performs really well. Obviously, when it's no longer snow, but slush because it's so wet, it doesn't work. But, it was the same thing with gas snowblowers. The negative points for us: It looks like they took a gas model and simply replaced the gas engine with an electric motor. Even when you stop using the machine for a while, the motor continues to run. It doesn't seem to be very effective. If you go too hard, sometimes it chokes! You have to turn the key off and restart the machine, as if it were gasoline! There is no battery indicator when the device is operating. You have to stop it to see the status of the battery.

[@themonsterunderyourbed9408]

Sounds like an after thought product. I'll know to avoid it! Thanks!

[@LL-mt2nz]

After though? Hardly. You get a proven platform and easy access to parts. Friction disc is much easier to replace and adjust then Ego’s weak little drive system.

[@blackvr4tt]

* Battery Life - to greatly extend the life of your batteries, store then at 50% in the offseson. All lithium Ion batteries will degrade much faster if they sit at 100% charge or 0%. They like being between 20-80%, with 50% being ideal. P.s. this also applies to your smartphone, laptop etc

[@joebrown9621]

i was watching a review and it was mentioned that Ego batteries self discharge to maintain battery life down to 20% i can't validate this but if that's the case long-term storage would have to monitor batteries so they don't go completely dead

[@devo9495]

This is the way. I have 7 year old batteries for my mower/trimmer (Greenworks), and I keep them at 50% when not in use. Still 80% capacity of new.

[@baileyryanpatrick17]

This is why I'll stay gas for now, it's miserable enough being out in the cold but having to worry if I either have enough power to cut through heavy snow or worse, batteries draining trying to remove it...the last thing I want to do is have to go back in to charge them and head out a few hours later unfinished. Especially if it's still snowing fairly heavily.

[@interceptor90ify]

True.... But the more products you buy the more batteries you have just switch them out.

[@swecreations]

There is a new version out now with 2 12 Ah batteries, so much more than the 2 7.5 Ah of this one, plus quite a bit more powerful.

[@dpatrick2071]

@@swecreations 💴

[@joebrown9621]

So true.. especially coming home from a hard days work just want to get as much snow moved as fast as possible and get inside from the cold that where the Gas 826 shines plus it has hand warmers too 😁

[@patmer2087]

@@joebrown9621the 2 stage toro has hand warmers

[@jeanyvesgiguere6666]

Merci Martin pour ce vidéo. Je suis maintenant sûr de m’acheter une souffleuse électrique 2 phases et me débarrasser de celle à essence.

[@NanoStudio9]

Oui go go! Ils sont vraiment puissantes! Fait-certain d'acheter des bonnes batteries.

[@billcsho]

I am sold after watching this video and got the Toro E26.

[@NanoStudio9]

Glad it helped - cheers

[@hereigoagain5050]

How do you like your Toro E26 after a year?

[@billcsho]

I only used it twice last winter. It worked great but I may need to adjust the self propell speed downward a little but. I can pause the motion every other steps though. The first snow storm here last winter was on 1/12, but we got almost 10 inches. I could not wait for the first snow this year. The two batteries are suffient for 2 plowing of my drive way and side walk. I really like it, particularly I got it like half off from Home Depot last year.

[@garfieldirwin]

Love my single-stage Toro battery blower. Small, easy to store and a single battery is all I need for my double-driveway.

[@CRPerformance1]

I have that ego but am giving it to my daughter. I got the new 28" ego with 2 - 12 amp hour batteries. It's a beast! Controls are much better. They're all electric. Don't have to push the on switch every time you stop it. Haven't tried it yet though. It's much heavier and substantial that the 24" one.

[@wadexyz]

Sounds like you've got a big EGO.

[@CRPerformance1]

@wadexyz biggest one they make! Hasn't snowed since I got it though...

[@BS.-.-]

1:00-1:20. That's why il only buy a tracked honda. Tracks make for a totally different machine. No riding up on snow so no need to push the handles around.

[@shion_lwn]

im waiting for snow to be able to use the same Ego blower for the first time !! nice comparison of Ego and Toro 2stage snow blower!

[@NanoStudio9]

Thanks Hito, I'm loving this machine!

[@Malikot911]

I just bought an ego. I’m going to get 2 more batteries because winters in the Midwest are brutal 😂

[@Malikot911]

@@kurtm.7494 I had a gas powered blower and I was looking around for a new one. I saw this one and read the reviews. I figured I’d give this a shot because my driveway isnt that big.

[@gecho194]

There really needs to be a standard battery form factor / connector. I don't want to be locked into a particular brand for life for yard equipment.

[@NanoStudio9]

I wish!!

[@swecreations]

4:54 new version out now with 2 *12* Ah 56V batteries and even bigger and more powerful, so would definitely look at that.

[@danz0007]

Dam with the cost of the batteries you could go buy a dam truck with a plow ! LOL

[@patrickmckowen2999]

Love the Toro chute control 👍 Don't get the Ryobi 2 stage, POS! I regret getting it. I will get the Toro next. Cheers

[@hereigoagain5050]

Nice comparison. The new Toro does not use shear pins. Does anybody have negative experiences it breaking? BTW. Often when the machine rides up, the user is pushing it faster than it can throw snow.

[@StlrNtn95]

Internal Combustion Engine seems to be the way to go unless you just get light snow.

[@erika8627]

How do you get the auger/impeller lever to stay engaged to free up your right hand? I just used my machine and had to squeeze the lever the whole time so I used my left hand to shift the speed. I must be doing something wrong.

[@FrankGodin-b6w]

For the most part I like the vidoes ,and believe that some just like to put down battery tools , Thank`s guys , keep doing your vidoes .

[@walleyeye]

Sorry, here in Manitoba I’ll stick to my gas blower I’ve had for 20+ years. So much plastic on those in sub zero temps will break and the price of replacement batteries😂😂😂 The gassers will last way longer than any electronics is extreme cold.

[@steveolive9991]

Good video. If you were to rate each snowblower, how many points -- 100 points being the best -- would you give the Toro and how may points for the EGO?

[@NanoStudio9]

Hmmmm I’d say: 85 ego because of the grip issue and short duration of the batteries in thick snow. 75 toro because of the slight lack of power in wet snow and the need for a third battery to match ego power. I really like the one hand control on the Toro, but the new Ego also has this now. And Ego is much better in very wet snow.

[@WJCTechyman]

My Dad seems to like his electric snowblower. I still have gas as I blow snow in a commercial setting. The machine I want though gas wise is a Honda.

[@thefix-itguyreviewer8151]

THIS IS WHY I LOVE TORO SNOW BLOWERS!! First off the gas versions got rated the best out of any snowblower. Now they made in the past year THE TORO POWERMAX E26 MEANING ELECTRIC 26 TWO-STAGE ELECTRIC BATTERY POWERED SNOWBLOWER!! It's the identical model to the PowerMax 826 gas version except the electric motor. Much better than this ego!! Better made, etc... And it has all the advantages of the gas version other than no gas!! They have NO SHEER PEIN TECHNOLOGY!! WITH A HARDENED GEARS IN THE GEARBOX IN A HARDENED GEARBOX.. What this means is that when you hit something hard the machine stops automatically!! You fix the obstruction turn it back on you're ready to go. No fumbling with shear pins in the issue that you had. People get confused thinking Toro has shear pins But those are actually regular bolts that don't shear!! The quick stick is revolutionary!! People by Toro just for that. Anti-clogging is unbelievable. It throws some snow back out in front of the impeller so it makes the snow lighter So it throws further, puts less stress on the system, the gears in the belts.. Not to mention they are auto steering or power steering differential works fantastic.. Reliability is unbelievable, parts for Toro have been around forever, The machine is easy to fix, The parts are easy available and cheap.. I don't trust Snow Joe, ego when it comes to two-stage electric snow blowers like I trust Toro.. those companies went crazy with all the electronics taking advantage of it. With the way it has the variable speeds for the auger and the drive..( which has not been tested in cold in moist climates ) I could tell you as an electronic engineer fixing electronics forever. When you add circuit boards and stuff like that like ego did in Snow Joe.. It does not do well with moisture and cold weather. You get cold solder joints and all types of issues.. And then when were their parts be available If something breaks? The parts will be very expensive, it'll be hard to fix, it'll be difficult to find and get these parts and how long will the parts be available in the future. Not the case with Toro their parts have been around forever because they're also using the identical same system without changing anything but the electric motor!! Absolutely brilliant.. sticking with something that is always worked forever!! Not to mention the E26 is much quieter than this model you have.. And like I said it's much better made.. And remember Toro is an american-based company they were the first company in history to make the stand behind snowblower For residential use in 1951. In other words Toro knows what matters and knows what doesn't!! Eagle was pretty cool but the PowerMax E26 is the best two-stage battery powered snowblower out there.. The only problem with these type of snow blowers is The batteries. 3 to $400 to replace, they only going to give you great performance for about 3 to 5 years before you need to replace them to keep that performance. With heavy snow or deep snow You're not going to get longer than 30 minutes run time with those two batteries or any two stage battery powered snowblower.. So you have to buy more batteries, more charger that could run you another $1,000 if you have big property.. with the current batteries it's good for only small property.. Gas is still King like the Toro 826 the best selling snowblower when it comes to clearing big property.. way more cheaper in the long run because of those batteries. You just keep pouring the gas in and keep going.. When you have big property who wants to run their snow globe for 30 minutes charge it for almost 2 hours keep going back and forth to finish the job.. Not fun not cool. Cheers!!

[@williambeyer5095]

Cost difference between the two?

[@peace3791]

I will buy and use the first time. Where is the cord if it is electric? Do we have the electric, the chargeable battery and electric with the cord to choose? Please explain for me and if you have a link. Thank you.

[@jeffclark5024]

Interesting machines, I’d be curious in the cost comparison vs gas powered. It’s nice to just be able to finish the driveway and not have to charge batteries and go back out later. I’m often doing when I get home from work it’s already dark and I don’t have time for that. I also wonder about the lifespan of the batteries. Either way I have a big driveway and decided snow blowing gas or electric is too much like work. I picked up an old John Deere 318 with a plow. It’s been nice just pushing the snow around. I’m also not getting covered in the snow while doing it like you are when snow blowing

[@garavin]

With the Toro E26 and 2, 7.5 amp hour batteries I can usually get 2 passes through my 50 ft (15 m) driveway with 6-8 inches (15-20 cm) of fairly light snow. With heavy/wet snow performance decreases to some extent but I've plowed through over a foot (30 cm) of moderately heavy snow with all 3 batteries onboard (though that usually drains them down to ~20%). A full recharge takes 3-4 hours. As for cost comparison between batteries and gasoline, the batteries are expensive enough ($360 US for a 7.5 AH battery pack, so $1080 for 3 of them) that you're probably better off with a gas-powered model from a purely economical standpoint. In my part of the US regular unleaded gas is ~$3.25 per gallon. Engine oil also needs to be figured in as do belts, spark plugs, etc., but I'd expect that I could buy 300 gallons of gasoline plus the other supplies for the cost of those batteries. It would take me a long time to burn through 300 gallons of gas. My gas-powered 2-stage snowblower probably averaged half a gallon per session, so that would net me about 600 driveway cleanings. I might use my snowblower 10-15 times per winter, so that's 40-60 years of service. No way the batteries will last that long (nor will I). Therefore I can comfortably say that I'm losing money on mine. But it's quieter than a gas engine, somewhat lighter and easier to handle, less smelly, and hopefully less impactful on the overall environment.

[@SoleEpiphany]

If they came out with a tracked machine I’d consider it as a companion to my Yamaha. I have their mower and leaf blower. It’s good gear.

[@Jeo-What]

Interesting to find on Toro's website states: "Battery manufacturer rating = 60V maximum & 54V typical usage. Actual voltage varies with load" while most independent tester of EGO batteries measured just over 57V on all EGO batteries. So EGO 56V is actually 57V while Toro 60V is actually only 54V.....🤔🤔🤔

[@ekbuz]

It's the marketing dept vs how Li-Ion batteries work. A single Li-Ion cell has a nominal voltage of 3.6V, can charge to a max of 4.2V, and discharge down to 2.5V. Most manufacturers don't use the whole range to protect the batteries. Most marketing will use the [almost] fully charged value of 4 volts to display their Max value. This is why handheld tools went from being 18v to 20v max, marketing wanted the Li-Ion tools to sound better then the outgoing Ni-Cad's, even though they are basically the same voltage. Toro uses 15 cells in series and Ego uses 14, so 15 x 4 = 60, 14 x 4 = 56. If Ego charges up to 4.07V/cell, that'll get you to 57V that you saw, but if we use it's "typical" voltage, it'd be 14 * 3.6 = 50.4V. At the same states of charge, Toro should be 3-4v higher than Ego.

[@Hunter98367]

I got the ego 2 stage and I love it.

[@danlux4954]

Any battery blowers with hydrostatic?

[@bluemysticspirit1460]

Have you noticed if the scraper bar on the EGO is slightly bent - either bending downwards or upwards? Mine has a slight bend upwards. Is this common? Thanks!

[@NanoStudio9]

No I haven't noticed that on mine.

[@stewartdowbiggin2337]

does the ego not have one-handed control like the Toro?

[@johnmorelli3775]

I have a steep driveway. I wonder if these self-propelled snowblowers can climb a steep driveway, especially the heavier Toro unit?

[@garavin]

I also have a pretty steep driveway and my Toro E26 climbs it just fine.

[@nathanb2497]

How do they handle the wet stuff? We get a lot of lake effect snow where I'm at.

[@NanoStudio9]

@@nathanb2497 pretty good in the wet. My ego slows down a bit and sometimes gets clogged, but doesn’t choke.

[@garavin]

@@NanoStudio9 Same for my Toro E26. Important to understand the limits of any tool, whether electric or gas powered. I like the torque from the E26 but it will bog down in very heavy snow. My gas-powered snowblower did the same, though.

[@reefgratos2035]

Indeed the Ego has a much louder hissing sound., i wish i had paid closer attention before getting the Ego.. now i kinda regret it.. i have few days left to decide whether i should return it and get the .toro instead, but the toro is 26 inch if you want open differential .. the ego looks cooler.. but the toro is no 100% electric, its an hybrid, it still use belts and gears, so you need to have them checked and maintained . But usually belts don't break easily.. don't know if this is true with Ego electric motors. Anyway i it sure a tough pick between the Toro and the Ego. I personally don't care about battery ecosystem. I usually don't use battery with multiple tools.. i prefer to dedicate a battery to a specific tool so it can last longer.

[@ralphfraumeni6190]

Yes. Because it is compleyely electric. The Toro is using a friction disk.

[@Jeo-What]

Thank you for this review. Looks like dropping in a replacement electric motor on a gas snow blower is not as energy efficient as an electric snow blower that is build from the ground up even though Toro is much quieter and the weight does help for the traction but.... battery hungry to drive it and not to mention that it takes a lot of steps to set up a Toro unit vs EGO.

[@NanoStudio9]

Interesting thought you’ve presented, I haven’t thought of it from that perspective. I do find the Ego also very battery hungry. I’m looking forward to getting more yard tools so that I can swap out the batteries when they die mid job.

[@ulysses01]

The Ego may have better battery technology, but their 24” snowblower is just as much a battery hog as the Toro, as this video revealed. (See time stamp 4:42) The additional 6.0 Ah battery that Martin had in the Toro no doubt helps it run just a bit longer. It all depends upon what you want for your use case. If you frequently need to deal with large ruts at the end of your driveway, the Toro may be the better choice due to its weight helping cut through all of that. The Toro is also going to be more durable over its lifetime. Another thing that doesn’t get mentioned often is that while the Toro takes a little bit of setup, it is also generally easy to perform your own maintenance and parts changes when necessary. It’s a very simple machine. These little things make it an easy unit to like. The Ego offers lots of controls and gadgets, while the Toro is simpler and familiar as well as quieter.

[@hugolafhugolaf]

I'm sure they're good for small amounts of snow. For actual snow removal, nothing beats my 20 year old Ariens Professional, bought used for 1000$ and that will still run like a champ when the batteries die in those.

[@mojojodon]

I'm buying the 2 stage EGO Wyeth the 7.5ah, but will buy 2 more batteries just in case

[@beezer5623]

It’s funny how the chute control on the toro 2 stage is so much nicer design than the toro single stage which is horribly short lol. I love my EGO products but I think the toro 2 stage is a bit better based on the control. I wonder if they have a patent on that design?

[@NanoStudio9]

We completely forgot to talk about this when filming. That's why I added a comment in Post. The Toro's one hand control is spectacular! So simple to use, I imagine they probably do have a patent.

[@beezer5623]

@@NanoStudio9 yeah I remember jerking around with one in Home Depot and was like dam this shit is pretty sweet.

[@SerenoOunce]

If TORO wasn't so late to the game probably would have gone that route. Already invested in the EGO lineup. No significant complaints though.

[@DCB1209]

How do you like the snow blower?

[@SerenoOunce]

@@DCB1209 Just got the 24" 2-stage, haven't had snow to use it yet. Surprised it being more metal than expected. About as heavy as our gas but easier to move around. The single have had 5 years now. Heavy snow it's pretty useless and the gas wins there; barely. But for most situations EGO performs better. Chute also goes to 80° to clear our 4' driveway retaining walls. EGO has a rep for using premium 18650 cells in their packs. Our older packs still hold charge fine.

[@SerenoOunce]

Better ? is how I like the EGO lineup as a whole. It's the batteries and compatibility that's the biggest investment. Brand really didn't matter with gas, but a huge deal with electric. Conversion put a hurt on the wallet but so far have been satisfied.

[@micheljalbert6106]

Tks for the review! My son is shopping for an electric 2 stage. I will keep my ariens 28 deluxe with modified impeller kit and weight kit. Last week we had 12 inches of wet snow , no 2 stages electric snowblower would have done a better job 😂

[@Dicofol1]

Next time can you put a louder song on the video?

[@reganstrongblood7713]

Is the toro self driving for easier pushing?

[@NanoStudio9]

@@reganstrongblood7713 yup both are

[@CraftsmanontheLake]

So... the EGO is an electric in that the batteries drive electric motors connected directly to the wheels and auger. The Toro is a mechanical blower with gears and belts like a gas one with an electric motor that just takes place of a gasoline engine. To me it's like the difference between an electric car with the motors on the wheels compared so someone who might take a standard gasoline car, remove the engine, and drop in an electric motor connected to a mechanical transmission. Isn't this a waste of energy? You don't need the gear changing and mechanical reverse at all with electrics and yet Toro did that. Seems almost as if they decide that the best way to get an electric to market is to use an existing blower.

[@NanoStudio9]

This is an interesting perspective and comparison I hadn't considered when making the video. I imagine its to reduce the R&D time and ensure good machine from day one. To be honest, both snow blowers perform better than my neighbour's gas machines. Just make sure not to cheap out on batteries!

[@CraftsmanontheLake]

@@NanoStudio9 It's strange to me. Do you really need to shift an electric maching to reverse it? No, just a switch to reverse the polarity. My thinking is that they wanted to get in on the electric thing and didn't have to design one to do it. But, lots of wasted energy.

[@plmn93]

@@CraftsmanontheLake Friction disc drive is a well proven design that lasts decades with minimum maintenance. EGO drive motors, on the other hand, are already well known for failure. I didn't like Toro's design at first, but the more I thought about it, the more it made sense. This Toro is designed for the long term. Everything but the batteries are built to last 20-30 years.

[@tomdibble8983]

@@plmn93 "EGO drive motors ... are already well known for failure." - do you have any source for that? I have not seen significant numbers of reports of motor failures from Ego tools or snowblowers. An electric brushless motor isn't incredibly complex; would seem very odd if Ego's motors had a high failure rate.

[@tomdibble8983]

@@CraftsmanontheLake I think the main trade off here is that Toro has all that other stuff designed and, importantly, field-tested. "Just drop an electric motor in instead of a gas engine" is the simplest possible way for them to bring out a reliable product. That said, it *is* a lot of wasted energy, and the big unknown is how well the other parts handle the different torque:power ratio of an electric motor. The gas machines are built with the expectation that *power* is cheap and can be wasted on differentials and gears; two gas engines would be far more prone to breakage than one gear box. But, working with an all-electric platform has different constraints (primarily, *power* is at a premium, but *torque* is cheap). IMHO it isn't surprising to see Ego doing better from a battery-longevity perspective, but I would expect Toro's approach *might* have fewer recalls or failures in the field (ie, the failures in the field would be from having too much torque going into systems that worked just fine when hooked up to a gas engine).

[@patrickmccutchan4856]

Wheel Chains?

[@Jeo-What]

After re-watching the single stage video again I realized that when both machines are build on belt drive system like the single stage units, Toro who has been building belt driven system performs better. Now, when it comes to belt driven system to direct motor EGO provides more power and performance and all it needs is extra weight to hold itself down like the new 28" unit that is almost 200lb with two 12.0Ah batteries.

[@NanoStudio9]

Great analysis, I fully agree. I wish that 28” was out a year ago.

[@Jeo-What]

@@NanoStudio9 I also think there is room for a heavy 26" unit and a 3-Stage maybe!!?

[@Jeo-What]

Available at RONA in Canada or Lowes in US

[@Jeo-What]

Never too late to sell the SNT2405 you got even as a tool only to upgrade to the 28" model while it is still listed as a "current" model.... I did and it was sold very quickly with multiple requests. It would have lost much more value if I sell it next year as a "discontinued" model even though the performance would till the same.

[@xtrickster6556]

Nothing beats a toro

[@wadexyz]

You'd need a big EGO to think otherwise.

[@justinmackay11]

If you guys were to do 2 7.5 ah each as they come stock? ; 1. Which one lasts longer :)? 2. Do either have hand warmers ? 3. How is the turning on each? One preferred over the other? 4. What is the charge time on both in comparison? 5. Battery costs the same? Rates for same amount of cycles 6. Toro question: is there any difference other than the size when switching from the e24 to the e26? Thank you so much, love your videos Ps: have you ever looked at the snowjoe or green works as other comparisons? Or these 2 are superior already

[@ln3954]

In the US the e26 comes with hand warmers, 7.5 Ah batteries (e24 comes with 6 Ah), and autosteering (for super easy turning). It's well worth the extra couple of hundred dollars. Both Toro models come with a slow 2 Amp charger, it takes ~3 hours and 20 minutes to charge a 7.5 Ah battery... Toro has a 5.4 Amp rapid charger that can charge a 7.5 much much faster. They should have come with the rapid chargers, but I believe they are just recently available. Toro should allow existing customers to purchase the rapid charges at a steep discount. Taking nearly 3.5 hours to charge is somewhat unacceptable for such an expensive machine...

[@NanoStudio9]

Good questions Justin, I didn't realize that there's lots I had not covered in here. Seems like @LN answered most of your questions here. I'll take a quick jab at it: 1. Ego, 2. no (except e26), 3. about the same, 4. I didn't measure... but slow for both, 5. I think ego is less, but both are very expensive! 6. hand warmers. Cheers!

[@ulysses01]

@@NanoStudio9 that’s interesting. You get the sense that given equivalent battery capacity, the Ego 24” lasts longer than the Toro e24? Any rough idea by how much? Are we talking just a few minutes or significant amount of additional clearance? Do you think it’s due to the weight and metal construction of the Toro that you give up a bit of run time?

[@devo9495]

Thank you for posting this comparison. Nice one eh?!

[@atvridingtrail]

Merci 😮

[@FlySuper77]

Sorry old lady neighbor i can't help you I still have to finish my driveway but waiting for my batteries to charge.

[@remibalogun4415]

Seems like the Toro Two Stage is a more powerful & obviously bigger unit. Yet to use my Ego Two Stage.

[@brothertax]

I love Canada.

[@RathJ13]

Electric just isn't there yet for me. Just got a new gas toro this season, waiting on the snow now! It is good to see more and more electric equipment though, gotta get the ball rolling to get started and make progress! These units are perfect for some situations as well so it's not like they're useless.

[@NanoStudio9]

I'm curious, what "isn't there" for you? How are they "useless"?

[@gb-qm5er]

you need 4 batteries to unlock the 80v for the ryobi...

[@NanoStudio9]

We tried the Ryobi... we were not impressed. Do you have a good experience with it?

[@F40-c4i]

It’s all relative to climate and your skill set. I spend about $40/ year gas and $100 every 6 years for maintenance for my 25 year old mtd in ottawa. If you live Toronto with a two car driveway and don’t do mechanical stuff go electric. Just be sure to store batteries indoors, those batteries get hot and will not have many charges in it’s lifetime. $1000+ every 7 years sounds horrible to me.

[@NanoStudio9]

25 year old machine is impressive. Batteries are obviously a wild card here, I hope they last more than 7 years. Time will tell.

[@josebass43]

Martin c’est Québécois ça 👋 …La Toro semble bruyante ?

[@RedfoxQc]

La EGO fait vraiment un bruit strident désagréable.

[@isaacchang2780]

I use a shovel. Works every time. Yeah, it may take longer to get the work done. But yeah, who needs a coat when you are getting the heat from the exercise.

[@wadexyz]

Works every time, LOL. I've had a lot of the plastic ones break on me though.

[@RedfoxQc]

This is not the point of the video. So, go see some comparisons of snow shovels...

[@ShawnGrim]

I have EGO lawn mower and trimmer. However, when it comes to a Minnesota winter and needed a new snow blower last year I still bought a new gas Ariens. Waiting for batteries to charge in summer is one thing, winter...nope! Also, seem to spend a lot more time in the plow banks with battery power. Its cold outside, I will stick with power and weight!

[@mozerm]

After watching this and several other video's I've concluded that electric snow blowers just aren't ready. It's unfortunate but they just can't compete with the power of a gas machine especially when you get into heavy wet snow.

[@NanoStudio9]

Glad the video helped. I have to say that after a full season using this electric blower next to my neighbour’s gas machines, we find the ego has far more torque and throws much further. I just wish I had gotten higher capacity batteries.

[@dennisdelorme]

@@kurtm.7494not true. My battery Ego mover can cut grass as easily as my old gas one.

[@joebrown9621]

​​@@NanoStudio9 power and run time .. two yard equipment i kept in gas just for that reason snowblower and my power head.. battery equipment has a plenty either u get good power with very little run time , or low power long run time or good power and larger heavier batteries more weight.. gas blower Toro 826 is phenomenal good power quick and runs way longer easily 6 times longer to a tank going all out

[@blistery1875]

@@kurtm.7494I respectfully disagree. I purchased Greenworks 80v pro last spring. It replaced my Honda gas lawnmower. The battery mower is more powerful, cuts better, is lighter and more convenient to manoeuvre, less vibration than any single cylinder gas engine, and very quiet. I don’t bother the neighbours. It also vacuums and mulches leaves and grass better. It’s a better lawnmower in all aspects. I will NEVER go back to gas. I bought a Greenworks 80v snow shovel a month ago and has totally exceeded my expectations. My gas snowblower is the next to go and will be replaced by a battery unit. Will not be replacing my ICE vehicles with current electric plug in vehicles though.

[@shelbygtrag5859]

The choice is gas! Can run my gas for 2hrs on one tank, foot of snow in cold weather -25C in Canada.

[@MichaelSmith-xb5cp]

The Disk drive is a far superior traction drive compared to E-motors. Here are a few reasons why: Tolerance, the disk is more tolerant to directional changes, sudden load change, and shocks to the system. Directional Control, The disk is superior at cycling from forward to reverse and back again, with E-motors you must stop rotation completely prior to reversing. With a disk you can simply clutch and pull the whole machine backward manually or go for a full reverse shift if you have more distance that needs to be traveled. That would be a really bad idea with E-motors< you only have one option (make sure it's shifted into reverse first). Speed control, the disk is far superior at speed control in both forward and reverse. E-motors need such high initial reduction rates, they have only limited range in this respect. Power transfer, the disk can apply full power transfer because it pulls power from the main motor. E-motors on the other hand, are sized to apply the bare minimum power in attempts to conserve auger run time. There are other reasons the disk is superior, but these are the main four where it concerns practical operation.

[@NanoStudio9]

Very insightful @Michael. Thanks for sharing! This answered many of my questions. Only downside I can see to disk is battery life...

[@ulysses01]

Just to ask you to clarify: When you describe “disk drive” are you referring to the friction plate of the Toro versus an electrical drive in the Ego?

[@MichaelSmith-xb5cp]

@@ulysses01 E-drive is always a non integrated separate motor to the rear axle, via spur gear or belt.reduction. Disk is always a clutched friction disk.

[@randomrazr]

so toro better?

[@randomrazr]

would that also use more battery? @@ulysses01

[@barlowsmith6242]

why do these machines not come with tracks - wheels and snow is a stupid idea spin spin especially on any incline

[@eosjoe565]

Tracks are nice, until you have to move the machine manually.

[@murd777]

They're both toys.. Technology is not ready yet for electric snowblowers. I stick with my Honda HSS928. That's a real beast!

[@themonsterunderyourbed9408]

Ugh... Gtfoh with your "if it ain't gas, it's crap." BS.

[@NanoStudio9]

Sounds like someone talking out of their ass without having ever tried any of these machines.

[@Tundra_Guy]

You'll pay twice for these machines every time you are forced to buy replacement batteries. Its all good until you need to shell out more money when its just easier to buy gas and much cheaper.@@NanoStudio9

[@ralphfraumeni6190]

Most people have no need for a BEAST.

[@murd777]

@@ralphfraumeni6190 I do and that’s what matters to me. Stay with your toy!

[@Jaari-b9s]

I wish I could hear the machine better over this music

[@johnjuza2659]

I will take my ariens any day, for the amount of times I use it i'll take the gas. much more powerful. The price tag for the toro is nuts!!!!

[@joedella-mattia2234]

Hmmm. Same music from Alien Shooter….. My driveway is too big for battery. I will stick to my gas Toro. We get too much snow in north western Ontario

[@richardwalther6229]

The only thing worse than a loud gas machine is the incessant whine of the Ego.

[@Oldwiseguy-59]

Go check out the new Ego 28” beast

[@joeserrenti9857]

Here is the Biggest question that I Don't see ..... When those electric motors break or the propel system craps out ... WHO AND HOW WILL THEY BE REPAIRED....??? If we go by feedback from EGo lawnmowers or Ryobi, or other import.... No One wants to fix them. Parts will not continue . Service is something online, maybe Do it Yourself if you're lucky... At least with the Toro. I would buy it directly from a local dealer that will service it when the fuses blow and all hell breaks loose . These machines are WAY TO EXPENSIVE, when you figure in the extra, extra, extra battery cost. I'd be very afraid to pour big bucks into the imports unless things change.

[@richardmather1906]

I am sure some minor parts can be fixed, like the plastic handles and such (which ought to be steel from the git go). But anything significant, they will expect you to buy a new machine.

[@joeserrenti9857]

@richardmather1906 Sorry ...Too expensive to be acceptable...

[@marianiurea6217]

Speed on EGO was faster. Reason you are gliding over the snow.

[@MAGApepe]

grade 1 ,,,, batteries dont like the cold lol

[@NanoStudio9]

Strange that the batteries come out piping hot at the end. Maybe you should revise your grade 1 chemistry.

[@MAGApepe]

@@NanoStudio9 .... trying understanding what i posted ... grade 1

[@WatsitTooyah]

@@MAGApepe step 1. you take the batteries off the charger, indoors, already warm. step 2. put the batteries in the blower step 3. use it step 4. remove used warm batteries that literally need to cool before charging. somehow, they never got cold in the process 🤷‍♂

[@davroi]

My gas powered Aebi is 35 years old…. No battery will last so long….

[@billyrock8305]

EGO far superior. Topgun Canadians are an incredible people. Honest, smart, factual, polite, respectful, funny and follow the rule of law. ❤️ 🇨🇦

[@caseymcdonald2956]

Comparing to a single stage, it must be light snow… Maybe stay with a Two Stage gas powered Snowblower which will out do your electric toy, and will take half the time. No long time charging necessary…

[@NanoStudio9]

Nah this thing hits harder than gas machines. Way better.

[@AOmega72]

Its always light fluffy snow with these electric trash blowers never shows end of driveway snow from the city plows

[@WatsitTooyah]

Im willing to prove you wrong when the snow comes bud. I have plowed a toro e24 right into some real shit, it'll handle it.

[@NanoStudio9]

My ego hits harder than all of my neighbours gas machines. All winter long.

[@AOmega72]

@@NanoStudio9 shill

[@themonsterunderyourbed9408]

​@@AOmega72And you're a shill for gas. So what's the big deal?

[@ralphfraumeni6190]

Check out youtube. You'll be proven wrong.

[@Zzrdemon6633]

Gas only at this house!

[@alant5757]

Toro 7.5 Ah battery $350 USD and EGO 7.5 Ah battery $400 USD EGO 10 Ah battery $499 USD For replacement batteries… or “extra” batteries…. Ouch

[@ralphfraumeni6190]

Apples and oranges. The EGO batteries are higher tech.

[@LL-mt2nz]

@@ralphfraumeni6190 How? Toro’s batteries are rated for a greater temperature range. The use the same cell technology. The true “higher tech” battery is Stihl’s pouch battery.

[@steverogers7426]

all that plastic is gonna snap

[@joannezimmerman4294]

I'll keep my gas driven

[@Holeyguagaamoley]

Turn off that “music”

[@caseymcdonald2956]

You must have an Electric Car… to have an electric Snowblower.. Do you know that it takes fossil fuels to make electricity, so you can play with your electric toys….

[@pouetance]

Quebec electricity where he lives is mainly produces from dam... 100% renewable energy.

[@NanoStudio9]

Please educate me more. Also make sure to link me your environmental science degree while you’re at it.

[@Tundra_Guy]

Gas way cheaper. Wait til you have to buy new batteries..... No financially reasonable.

[@PapiLoveCrypto]

Ego has a new 28 inch now. Much better

[@91stealthman]

has anybody "supercharged" an electric snowblower? Love that upgrade on a 10 yr old gas.

[@Hoist2Crew]

Remember the saying, "this guy could sell ice to Eskimos"? These people think buying an underpowered electric snow blower will save them from global boiling. The irony.

[@srobeck77]

Just like EV cars, not ready for prime time. Fossil fuels outperform them by too much. We need the next gen in battery revolution after li-ion.

[@themonsterunderyourbed9408]

My Tesla will smoke whatever you have. It will do it with more efficiency, better handling and a smoother ride. Also, it costs about 0.04$/km to run with virtually zero maintenance. Meanwhile, my Corolla costs me 0.20$/km plus maintenance. I'll stick with my Tesla and save about 3500$/year (every year I save more since gas just keeps getting more and more expensive) in fuel costs thank you very much.

[@NanoStudio9]

Amen.

[@Shadow-7773]

@@themonsterunderyourbed9408 lol now if only you could get it to start in cold weather, and charge?, lol lol , lol Why Teslas Are Dying in Chicago’s Freezing Cold Weather. | Tow trucks and long lines at charging stations are common sights this winter for EV owners-and the reason has to do with the batteries. lol lol

[@richardmather1906]

@@themonsterunderyourbed9408 When you can fully charge an electric car in the same time it takes to pump 20 gallons of gas electrics will begin to get competitive. That appears to be a ways away yet. As it stands, with all that usable torque, electric cars are great for short distance sports cars. Otherwise, not ready for prime time.

[@themonsterunderyourbed9408]

@richardmather1906 I've had a Tesla since 2018 and I disagree with you. The only scenario where electric doesn't make sense right now is for towing. In every other case, I'd rather take my Tesla.

[@longwalkoffshortpeer]

Lol ego

[@youtubecantsaveallthesnowf8601]

Going on my 2nd season with the ego....batteries!!! Down to 10 minutes of run time, and that's at 1/2 speed, which doesn't move this sierra cement very far. I also have the ego single stage with the rubber auger for walkways and decks and again, both batteries for both blowers are almost half dead in 15 months. And the only other ego item I have is the leaf blower. So im not using them for summer years maintenance... As always when it comes to blowers......should have bought a honda!

[@LL-mt2nz]

Do you have a fast charger? Charging batteries too fast doesn’t promote battery longevity.

[@youtubecantsaveallthesnowf8601]

@L L nope I have 2 of the slow charging dual battery chargers.

[@LL-mt2nz]

@@youtubecantsaveallthesnowf8601 That’s unfortunate. If Stihl had a snowblower I would have with them because their batteries are second to none. So I split my battery tools between Toro and Stihl. I’m interested to see how the Toro compares to Stihl long term

[@youtubecantsaveallthesnowf8601]

@L L they're both great, the 2 stage especially earned its stripes this winter but the battery life is a real drag, especially considering replacement cost.

[@civileit]

May be worth putting in a warranty claim. Ego's very good about replacing defective products under warranty.

[@danz0007]

The noise the battery garbage make is far more annoying than gas and my gasser will be finished 6 times faster than battery junk

[@basketballmaven1454]

gas powered is better

[@WatsitTooyah]

what a nuanced opinion 😃

[@richardmather1906]

@@WatsitTooyah But it is so obvious that gas is better. Heavier construction (except for the Toro which is actually built like a gas blower). Power stays the same through the whole tank of gas, and then in two minutes you are back to full power and full run time again. Tried and true construction with parts readily available. Do you really believe that one of these Ego machines will still be working even fifteen years from now? Look at the sheet metal. Look at all the plastic parts. I had an Ariens that my family used for more than 30 years. With very spotty maintenance. I wanted a wider machine, so I gave that one away a couple years ago. As far as I know the guy is still using it. They just work and keep working. The electric motors have good torque, but that is the only advantage they have. OK, you don't have to change the oil, a ten minute project that requires no mechanical skill. And the cost difference is ridiculous. It looks at first like the cost difference is not that much, until you check out the flimsy sheet metal and all the plastic. They cheapen the construction to help keep the price appear to be in the ball park. Then you have to add the cost of a second set of batteries, which you absolutely need to get even a two hour run time on full power in the wet stuff. And even if you have a small driveway and don't need the second set, you will need to replace those batters six or seven or eight years down the road, and will likely be losing performance in terms of power and run time over the last couple years of their life. Assuming the machine lasts that long in the first place. The gas blower? You just keep putting gas into it, and it keeps running. And running. And running.

[@WatsitTooyah]

@@richardmather1906 For me the fumes are a huge factor too.

[@richardmather1906]

@@WatsitTooyah I can only see that being a factor if you have some kind of a lung condition. Otherwise, I don't see it. Its not like you use the blower indoors.