Eight-and-a-Half-Tails vs Yawgmoth vs Omnath vs Najeela | CEDH Gameplay

[@jasonb.3907]

Every time an Ad-naus is whiffed, an angel gets its wings.

[@BetterCallKahl]

I use my special cEDH skill to turn sideways with 5/3s just like I do in casual with titania. I love to see it

[@addambarcelos]

That consultation fail made my day, can't stop laughing xD

[@EisenherzMTG]

VERY interesting Omnath build. It looks like a hybrid of 4c good stuff and a titania lands built. I like it!

[@benjaminking3677]

“Now, completely out of the game, Drake passes.”

[@Enginearing-My-Limit]

Small rules question. At around 12:40 when Charles dies to combat damage from Shaun, the Grasp of Fate with Omnath under it "leaves" the battlefield and returns Omnath to Shaun. Wouldn't the trigger to return Omnath never hit the stack due to Charles being removed from the game (under rule 600.4c)? "If an object owned by a player who has left the game would be put into any zone, it leaves the game instead. (This includes abilities that would be put onto the stack.)" Due to the fact that the leaving the battlefield trigger doesn't "resolve" and leaving the game is not a state based action. Genuinely curious so please let me know if I'm being a buffoon.

[@HansHurin]

Gatherer Ruling explains it: 04.11.2015 In a multiplayer game, if Grasp of Fate's owner leaves the game, the exiled cards will return to the battlefield. Because the one-shot effect that returns the cards isn't an ability that goes on the stack, it won't cease to exist along with the leaving player's spells and abilities on the stack. What you might be thinking of is Oblivion Ring, which has a clause "when Oring leaves, return..." so there the trigger would go on the stack and then cease to exist.

[@anonymoususer5351]

*quotes the exact ruling you think explains what should happen* *analyzes the rule to see if it makes sense* "Am I a buffoon?" No you're not a buffoon lmao and should feel no shame for thinking that, I did too

[@MindLaboratory]

Note that in Magic, or any aspect of life, asking a detailed question like this and including the pieces you do know rules out all possibility of buffoonery.

[@connorl0204]

@@MindLaboratory realistically, asking for someone to help you better understand something in general also rules out buffoonery

[@Ellie-bs5zq]

As supplement to what others said, a buffoon would have blamed the PWP team for not following rules without accepting that they might be wrong about it. Also, yes, "exile under" effects have been different recently; Oblivion Ring would work how you pointed out, but this creates multiple problems, such as being able to destroy or sacrifice your own enchantment before it exiles and thus have the LTB trigger resolve before the ETB trigger resolves, so now, it's a single effect that continues until the permanent leaves the battlefield instead of two different effects.

[@flashoxmtg]

Congratulations on 200 episodes!!!! 🎉🎉🎊🎊

[@PlayingWithPowerMTG]

Thank you! :D

[@coreyhayslip5418]

What a way for Shaun to win the 200th episode. Awesome game as usual 👏

[@Ilvaldi]

As I have hinted last episode, this is the episode with Drake’s Epic Demonic Consultation. As much as some of you all might loathe Consult/Thoracle, I think you guys will still love this. ;)

[@FelinGreenleaf]

I've been running a really bad sub-$50 Tails equipment deck so I am exceedingly hype to see him here

[@stelliocantos4639]

Congrats on 200 episodes! Great game to showcase for the occasion, planned or not. Keep up the good work.

[@TripsAhoy]

Nice game. Also cool seeing how sometimes thats how the cookie crumbles lol.

[@DarkEinherjar]

Not gonna lie: I'm so sick of seeing Consultation + Thoracle that I feel utter pleasure in seeing a Consultation backfire like that.

[@williambosma8726]

100% agree lol

[@eternallove4248]

Same

[@NyxTheScary]

Same. Its like 80%+ of the games on here. Its so boring at this point.

[@kylarcheng1346]

@@NyxTheScary I mean, it’s pretty much the best win condition in the former, sooo

[@NyxTheScary]

@@kylarcheng1346 still boring.

[@lukeisstrange1533]

"Searches his library for a basic, failing to find" And thats why, even in a cEDH 5c-Deck you should play at least a few basics to get with these effects

[@Outlawbyname]

That's also why the new card that turns all lands in your deck into basics is so powered.

[@kennethpolsky8369]

A few basics is pushing it. 1-2 sure but more than that you’re diluting your land base

[@lukeisstrange1533]

@@kennethpolsky8369 Thats what I meant with a few. Its still a 5 color deck with spells that need very specific colors of mana

[@lukeisstrange1533]

@@Outlawbyname Its one of those reasons. The other is to cultivate to get your cabal coffers and urborg with one spell

[@jinshootingstar]

No you don't. Basics are horrendous in a already constrained mana base. Even some 3c already don't use them because this upside is irrelevant.

[@videowiz22]

Im soooo happy to see my boy omnath putting in work. That was an awesome game

[@al007625]

Love to see it! Congrats guys!

[@danielh4051]

I'm a big merfolk player... but it's refreshing to see a cEDH win that doesn't involved thoracle. Well done.

[@thanhavictus]

I mean, thoracle basically has nothing to do with playing merfolk. There's no crossover mechanic that synergizes, that tribal type could have been anything. It might as well be a typeless creature

[@danielh4051]

@@thanhavictus What I was communicating is that I find it refreshing to see cEDH wins that don't involve thoracle. Because thoracle lines wind up winning a substantially large portion of the games I see. And I agree with you. Thassa's oracle has nothing to do with merfolk except for the fact it says merfolk on the card.

[@jerrickalsteen3950]

Love the content guys! Keep it up! Congrats on 200!!!!!

[@argonnas2]

I'm what some might call a fan of Yawgmoth

[@CharlotteMimic]

Man! Drake was really close to assembling the Breach combo! Unfortunately Eight-and-a-Half Tails' abilities seem like too much mana for too little effect in cEDH.

[@matthewjohnson3656]

I feel like I saw it once where it combos with ugin to exile all of their opponents lands and everything

[@fosterdawson7339]

@@matthewjohnson3656 yeah Charles played with it in another episode awhile back and did much better

[@jinshootingstar]

It's not good, it's a meme, Charles knows it's a meme, but it's still EDH, so even a meme deck can win by miraculous top decks.

[@heath1948]

Finally, what supposed to happen when you don’t have a library sorry, Drake

[@Psytrin]

Is that the first time on the channel that Consultation has failed so spectacularly? Can't recall it in my viewing experience, haha.

[@fosterdawson7339]

I think in that fashion yeah. There may have been a few other times where it was in the top 6, but not to the point of, in the words of Ryan, "AND UNDERWORLD BREACH WAS THE F I R S T C A R D".

[@koanos2448]

Congrats on 200 games of cEDH!

[@DrakeSasser]

Alright that's it I am cutting Demonic Consultation 😤😤

[@bgeda]

That Omnath deck was lit!

[@koanos2448]

6:40 I think Force of Will countering Wandering Archaic knowing Shaun's overwhelming board state proved to add to their downfall seeing that it expended Drake's stretched thin resources and allowed for Shaun to play instants and sorceries without significant issue. Some interaction could have been doubled up and used against Shaun.

[@PlayingWithPowerMTG]

Drake went for it just a turn or two later. The last thing he wanted was Charles to double up on his protection.

[@Joolenplus]

Drake was probably planning on making a comeback with that Culling Ritual which is why he forced. If archiac was out he wouldn't be able to use Culling Ritual to make Mana as he didn't have enough Mana to pay 2 to Archiac. Charles would then get a copy of Culling Ritual if Drake would attempt it and Drake would end up with 0 mana off his Culling as Charles copy would resolve first.

[@koanos2448]

@@PlayingWithPowerMTG Ah, I get it now.

[@koanos2448]

@@Joolenplus Makes sense. The issue is that when they cast it, they couldn't profit off of the mana.

[@Icecolten1]

Dam poor Drake king of unlucky

[@coles7389]

It might just be me but this felt more like a high-power game then CEDH? I like seeing combat win a game and it was a fun game to watch, but it just did not feel very CEDH to me. Still very entertaining.

[@coreywn]

Wow. It’s almost like hitting land drops is strong…

[@jamesstreahorn2162]

This format is very much figured out already 😆

[@lucaswolter3739]

i love your videos, its so nice with some chill cedh

[@coreywn]

Drake! Put a basic in your deck! What the heck!

[@TheCrazyBraz]

Najeela! POG

[@charlesmaillho367]

Mono-white had some more interaction this game as compared to last game but it still wasn't enough. Since he didn't get any stax pieces there was absolutely no way he could have won.

[@heath1948]

Great match very happy with who won and how they won. It’s rare. I happen to like combat related wins when it comes to either style commander, which is why I don’t mind Godo overrun

[@freya002YT]

Nice

[@xtyberius]

Should the Omnath have returned to play when Charles died? I was under the impression that returning the things exiled with Grasp of Fate is a triggered ability that happens when Grasp leaves play. Once Charles died, the trigger to return things exiled with it cannot go on the stack, thus leaving them exiled forever. I could be wrong, someone feel free to confirm or correct. Either way, great game. Poor Cal just got to basically sit there and watch everyone play for an hour and a half lol.

[@xtyberius]

disregard, I scrolled down all by myself and see this same question asked and answered already lol

[@therealax6]

For lazy people who won't do as you did: when an effect's duration expires, the effect just ends. That's not a trigger; it's just the effect ending, it happens immediately, it doesn't use the stack, it has no controller and it cannot be responded to.

[@tylercraig5633]

You could call it a “Sad Naus”

[@TheDejectedArtist]

No one was expecting Tatiana 😮

[@dancer6452]

Is there a reasoning behind using tcg for checklists and not moxfield? It's a personal preference I understand but an wondering because for me, moxfield makes it more accessible to view as cards and not just lines of text on mobile,

[@munchinkin]

yawgmoth player is playing our moxfield list of yawgmoth ... shouldnt have kept that hand ... its getting nowhere for yawgmoth

[@TheGrifcannon22]

It seems like landfall is hard for most decks to interact with.

[@norushoutcast]

Omnomnath win the games. Yay

[@paulboulanger00]

Can we get some more Legacy Games too 🙏🏻

[@knightofthesun2595]

Interesting interaction that I saw: when the player with a grasp of fate or a like effect dies, the cards actually stay in exile because a dead player can’t put things on the stack

[@Svartsomkato]

Tails is boss

[@hectormorales4090]

Oh yeah, this is nice to see. Finally oracle and friends doesn’t show their ugly faces. 🎉❤

[@AcidMonkie]

Video starts at 1:28

[@oldmanhumphrey4938]

IM EARLY FOR ONCE :DDD

[@vradorm]

SPOILERS At 12:36, when a player dies, their permanents cease to exist (therefore their triggers don't happen). Grasp of Fate's LTB trigger would not be put on the stack, and Omnath would forever be in exile. I don't think this changed the outcome but it's good to keep in mind.

[@christopherlapp4553]

Came here for this comment

[@HansHurin]

Gatherer Ruling explains it: 04.11.2015 In a multiplayer game, if Grasp of Fate's owner leaves the game, the exiled cards will return to the battlefield. Because the one-shot effect that returns the cards isn't an ability that goes on the stack, it won't cease to exist along with the leaving player's spells and abilities on the stack. What you might be thinking of is Oblivion Ring, which has a clause "when Oring leaves, return..." so there the trigger would go on the stack and then cease to exist.

[@vradorm]

@@HansHurin awesome, thanks for clearing that up for me! Good to know 👍

[@twi1ightknight]

These missed land drops...

[@tcgmetaslayer4202]

Cedh... aka “tutor MtG” for the same combos over and over... *yawn*

[@Joolenplus]

Did you even watch the video? It was literally 3 fringe vs 1 meta and the meta deck got crushed with the winner not even using a combo to win lmfao

[@daybreak817]

So... Don't watch it? I'm failing to understand why you would comment on a cEDH channel's cEDH games if you don't like cEDH. Wild.

[@tcgmetaslayer4202]

@@daybreak817 simple actually. Just checking in every few years on some cedh games to prove I’m correct = “casual” commander is soooo much better 🤣

[@jinshootingstar]

@@tcgmetaslayer4202 yeah, sure is better seeing a bunch of grow ass man discussing how they feelings got hurt by playing against strategies they don't like lmao

[@evanczthehunter57]

@@tcgmetaslayer4202 I'm assuming you're trolling, because nobody has a right to say one is objectively better than the other. What you were missing was "in my opinion EDH is better than cEDH because of this"