El Chapo Was Just a Pawn in the Sinaloa Cartel | Ed Calderon

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[@alxra]

Calling El Chapo "just a pawn" is disingenuous and marginalizes his status in the cartel. If he was "just a pawn," I don't think he would've been helped to escape TWICE. And I can't see the organization jumping in to action to keep his son from getting arrested for someone who was "just a pawn."

[@mrvapor4791]

Depends on how you want to move the pawn around on the chessboard

[@akubuirocharles3390]

True. If he was just a pawn and they use all that effort to remove him from prison knowing it will draw attention, then he automatically became more than a Pawn

[@alifrombenhill3374]

U can still be a pawn and be essential and important

[@matthewmiller471]

@@alifrombenhill3374 exactly

[@seb1554]

It’s ridiculous to call him a pawn, could say everyone in the drug game is a pawn really I suppose if we are looking at it that way. The guy is probably rightly scared of El Chapo though and so doesn’t want to say anything bad about him. I’ve watched a few interviews from him and he never goes into details on anything and doesn’t really provide any insights.

[@Thalocaltruth]

I believe he was just a face of an organization that goes way deeper than what we actually realize.

[@stn7172]

no different than Presidents

[@philcooper9225]

@@stn7172 That's how deep it goes

[@Cyrus-rodn45]

El mayo is the boss of bosses

[@jacktripper8726]

Chapo definitely wasn't a pawn but also was not the main guy

[@toofoo8707]

His kids run half of the SC now the other half is run by his bestfriend Mayo. Chapo was always the main guy until he got extradited Ed just wants views

[@jacktripper8726]

@@toofoo8707 nope

[@jbizzle2232]

The Sinaloa cartel isn’t run by 1 guy, it’s a bunch of families working together under that name but each family has their own boss, the Zambadas and Guzmans just happen to be the biggest ones, El Mayo runs his part and El Chapo ran his

[@jbizzle2232]

@danny.5860 nope, I live in Mexico and know people in Sinaloa, CDS don’t have 1 leader sorry dude

[@williamj2460]

He was the horse on chess chest board

[@pab1381]

They said the same thing about Pablo. That it was the Ochoa brothers that really had the power. But he wouldn’t be known as one of the richest men in the world at the time for nothing. Sinaloa has a HUGE hub here in Chicago. That’s how the Flores twins turned on Chapo. The government goes along with what the cartel does. Why do you think our borders aren’t secure and it’s just a revolving door with what drugs come into this country.

[@ambrizfer7898]

Yep. The difference is Ochoa brothers were already rich before drugs and knew when to quit unlike Pablo

[@Panama00807]

@@ambrizfer7898ow did they get rich ? Was the family already wealthy

[@ambrizfer7898]

@@Panama00807 Ochoa brothers were basically into cattle and land. The older Ochoa brother was rich they just wanted to get involved in cocaine

[@lukakruzich9500]

Not sure if you will see this, but I Chicago ?? Wym

[@ambrizfer7898]

@@lukakruzich9500 el mayo the boss of the sinaloa cartel has been selling drugs since the 60s and the 2 places where he was selling drugs in was Los Angeles and Chicago and they still are there

[@scottw6375]

Essentially everyone is a pawn. No one is bigger than the game itself. It’s not like they can just remove any one person and it will shut the whole thing down

[@jimmya391]

U meant the us government game

[@changingworldllc1157]

@@jimmya391 yes! Bingo! The rabbit hole ends!

[@changingworldllc1157]

This is powerful truth!

[@Josesamuelnava]

Dang that hard no one is bigger than the game itself 💯🫡🫡

[@williamj2460]

On god young niggas don't know 💯 so much ego in the game

[@Chessxx1]

Wouldn't say a pawn more like a bishop or rook. Definitely a top vato.

[@heatalldayy]

He was the CEO. No CEO is the “main guy.”

[@jamesmason3539]

Mayo zambada is the CEO

[@woowaptibam5253]

El mayo's son isn't in protective custody. He served a five year sentence after a useless cooperation deal. He returned to Mexico and is presumably working with his father again. His father doesn't want to kill him. His son is a genius that totally got over on the U.S. government.

[@RomanRevello]

Ur a cop.

[@87mrreynolds]

I think they new the deal chapo had to go because he embarrassed the government on a global scale when he disappeared from prison the tunnel etc makes him look like James Bond he had to go

[@woowaptibam5253]

@@RomanRevello And?

[@therealjuice4725]

bing bong

[@woowaptibam5253]

@@therealjuice4725 definitely Bing Bong like Gorilla nems says FYL

[@eye4911]

This guy, always changing his stories

[@aprilcruz6774]

He is one of the top dogs Life goes on after his capture They are very structured, and if you think it’s all gonna fall apart, after one person goes to jail ur crazy

[@palmman9496]

just because he was the literal head of the organization he definitely wasnt a pawn. I get the guy knows his shit but i think hes a little too wrapped up in the mystique of it all.

[@ambrizfer7898]

The reason why el chapo got broken out of prison in the early 2000s was because the dea made contact with him so el mayo broke him out to make a deal with the dea

[@Matt_Wilson01]

And I think you are taking it way too personally, relax dude

[@DorisDavies-mo4nt]

El Chapo Esobar or Walter White At the End of the day the game is the game that we all play, Take out 1 and another will take his place but at the end of the game the King and the Pawns return to the same box

[@Nateshearon]

Chapo was 50/50 with El Mayo. The fact that his sons are now in control of his half is proof of this. Calling El Chapo merely a pawn is laughable

[@strafer8764]

Yea I’m not buying this pawn thing.

[@Antonjlavey]

He is a pawn he knows this everyone knows that is involved their place just say they make them big they make them known and you can get all the fame but they're still the Fall Guy because the organization still goes on without a hitch

[@Antonjlavey]

@@bkelly625 Mayo is 2nd in line while Chapo was 4th the main families you will never hear about them.

[@leonardocastilloreyes8514]

A real boss would never get caught, the soilders fall first

[@TRawww420]

El mayo gave his son the OK 👍 to testify against chapo ... supposedly it took 2 years for his dad to call and told Vicente to tell the DEA what he had to

[@aldorubio8009]

Calderon changes his hypothesis every damn chanse he gets.

[@mharo1992]

how so?

[@ChicanoOne760]

That happens when you're lying

[@demcanes01]

I’m Cuban American and yes Alberto Sicilia Falcon was the name of one of the originators of the Sinaloa cartel. Most of the world has no idea that a Cuban was involved in the start up of the biggest drug cartel

[@Rafa-707]

Very true he got Mayo Zambada in the game

[@G-spookyk4zs]

mayo' s sister married a cuban Antonio Cruz Vasquez

[@danielmelgar8918]

Interview Anabel Hernandez. She is the writer and knowled that I use to listen and learn about Cartels.

[@darrenheffner4329]

Many Many American Hands In The Cartel

[@th53248cardinals1998]

Yeah I’m sure you know all about it. Lol by watching KZbin videos and reading Wikipedia all day, heffer

[@robertvasquez4602]

Mayo told on Chapo then went back to Mexico he free.

[@miaalvarez722]

This dude doesnt know anything he was just a border patrol 😂😂😂

[@mrcruzd1]

This dude has seen and experienced more than you will ever know.

[@calbog1990]

EL Chapo was a major player, but when it comes to drugs, no one is larger than the USA. The reason they invaded Panama and got Noriega, the reason they killed Pablo, and if you'll think Afghanistan was just about oil think again. USA is the largest consumer of drugs anywhere in the world. you'll think they're going to let drugs come into the country without them getting there percentage? Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit!

[@michoacanpresente5076]

Chapo might of not been the main one in Sinaloa but he sure did have power in the Sinaloa Cartel💯

[@thatguy3101]

Both of these guys talking about el chapo and the cartel is like me talking about cricket , I have no idea what I’m talking about

[@michaelwoods1361]

“Chapo wasn’t a leader of the cartel he was a leader of the federation, the Sinaloa cartel was a federation”.. 🤔🧐 soo he was a leader of the cartel? 😂

[@troutbumgypsy9169]

Is Roger Goodell the Commisoner of the NFL or is he the head coach of the Miami Dolphins? Get my point?

[@James_Edward59]

CDS is a federation with different cells or factions, Chapo was the leader of one which his children Los Chapitos took over when he went to prison. Now you have Chapo’s sons La Chapiza o Los Chapitos fighting for power against their uncle El Guano who is Chapo’s blood brother and against La Mayiza which is Mayo’s people.

[@CivilWarz]

The Sinaloa cartel is like a Regiment and El Chapo was the leader of a battalion

[@marvelousmitch972]

If the public knows them they are a pawn 😎

[@BlzNetwork556]

Scapegoat & Face are probably more accurate words than Pawn

[@KB-mf8ef]

Prices have dropped! And the streets are flooded to the point half of users are also selling

[@jacktripper8726]

What state you in?

[@trappdaddy6920]

You ain’t Lying bro

[@joeschmidt6597]

El Mayo sacrificed him. Chapo wanted fame and wanted attention that is a no no in the cartel game

[@marcus92306]

He also sacrificed El Ondeado..

[@rubenreyes8466]

@@marcus92306 El ondeado was getting too big n violent

[@danielmeuler2877]

Everyone HATED Chapo and he was Sacrificed by the real Head of the Cartel, El Mayo.

[@bajacalifornia4923]

El mayo will never kill his son,

[@yeahicheifit6948]

I think someone like el chino anthrax or Manuel el ondeado fit the role more of a pawn then el chapo would

[@jbizzle2232]

Ed doesn’t know what he’s talking about, El Chapo was a leader but in his faction just like El Mayo is a leader in his, they don’t boss each other around they work together

[@strafer8764]

It seems that people take his word as is without question.

[@joselazaro5440]

This guy saw the Netflix series 🤣

[@regilee9003]

If yall believe anything buddy is saying you just as goofy as he is lmaooo 😭😭

[@FREE_WILL_DEFENDER]

Facts

[@quickflipper3782]

This is absolutely absurd to call him just a pawn he escaped twice from prison😂 and had billions

[@Matt_Wilson01]

He has said in other interviews he was about the 4th in charge

[@yener_1399]

@@Matt_Wilson01 I don’t believe that. Chapo literally founded C.D.S with El Mayo. El Mayo and El Chapo both ran the cartel like the Arellano twins. In the world of Drug the best thing that every drug lord wants is fame and power to think people wouldn’t know who the real boss is, is crazy. El chapo is the boss and el Mayo is right up there, but el mayo does not get bossed by el chapo because they both founded it, just that El chapo makes most plays. There like the Arellano twins

[@mexdaman7945]

If anyone gets a chance listen to the spotty podcast about the twins that worked with Sinaloa cartel and flipped on them. They were the cartels drug distributors and basically ranked number 2 in the entire cartel. They talk about el chapo not as a pawn but as one of 3 people who ran the cartel with total and all control. ED is retired as he mentioned years ago in joe Rogans podcast he’s great but at this point he’s just repeating old talking points and adding new things to stay relevant

[@GhostGats]

If he was just a pawn they how is the sons now the bosses of the 2nd half of 2 factions of the cartel ?

[@pierrepiper5090]

This guy is full of ish, and his opinions are just as good as anyone’s.

[@fernandovidea3245]

These two guys seem to be real experts on this matter.

[@Max_Chooch]

The shape is basically a Gothic arch

[@nahuelcutrera]

well many people don't understand that this is a US problem, mexico just comes along for the ride...

[@fps6612]

This guy knows but don't really knows what is really going on. If he really knew and talked about it he would be gone by now.

[@nickgotti3566]

It’s crazy how he got arrested and none of his guys batted an eye but when his son got captured the culicanaso happened (when his guys shut down the city and had major gunfights)

[@luismagana9784]

💯 see that! No wonder his sons are havin tough time convincing other cartels they’re dangerous

[@phoenixburr9580]

Y’all FINALLY FIGURED IT OUT!!!!!

[@cherylb2008]

Interesting always.

[@jamesmontana6091]

he looks like Mexican Joe rogan .... Jose rogan

[@lewisflores644]

Did you guys know that the president of Honduras it's in jail for drug trafficking and so is his brother both in New York City

[@robertvasquez4602]

Mayo chilling he not like chapo that wants to be in the spot light his family good he good he dobt need to be flashy.

[@87mrreynolds]

He’s the only guy who has any kind of first off control second of any kind of morals when it comes to his behaviour not letting his massacre people not selling heroin in Mexico etc but his not going to be around forever in opinion any way my friend

[@charliebliss8656]

This guy looks like a Mexican Joe Rogan. Lol hahahaha

[@1350zluis]

He should give credit to the person that expose all this Anabel hernandez on her book "El traidor" he basically quotes everything she says if you ever watcher her interviews he sounds like a recording of her talking

[@WiseGuise]

Let’s be real, sure, he could be the lightning rod who takes the strikes. But whoever goes down, something gets pinned on them for everybody else. Doesn’t mean he wasn’t somebody and doesn’t it mean it happens to everybody, but it’s a potential possibility and a likely move. At the end of the day, it’s business, one that’s going to be kept alive.

[@theinnanet3745]

I most definitely believe that EL CHAPO wasn't the main figure of the SINALOA CARTEL...

[@AK-wn5ri]

Just going through comments and I believe people are misunderstanding the "pawn" comment about El Chapo. If you are not boss, you are a pawn. Be it the cartel, corporate or law enforcement. El Chapo was a pawn for his boss, but I guess El Mayo lost his power and he became a pawn to someone bigger and badder, maybe DEA or CIA.

[@JINNIBOO4477]

America plays the world😂..joke world.. If you want to win ,play, both sides be Republican and liberal😂😂😂.. Be just like the elite.

[@15Jogador15]

Very interesting take on this. Makes sense.

[@ltx383]

Everyone that actually knows anything about this game is that there is a lot of major players. Some more idolized than other and many that don’t want to be known. He was no small fry I tell you that. 2 escapes, when they arrested his sons they turned the town into a blood bath and forced the military into basically releasing the son. Small fries don’t make trained military and police groups stand down. Mayo is always been known as a Boss. Almost all cartels work as federations they can’t survive just based of the numbers they have locally. CNGJ has a broad control in Mexico allying with other groups under the same 4 Letter Umbrella. Same goes for Sinaloa, Los Zetas and etc. You don’t push product if you don’t push boundaries and territory’s.

[@frankruiz8219]

Thank Joe Rogan for this "expert" getting another interview on KZbin. This guy is full of crap. The author of the book is Anabel Hernandez not Ochoa. Mayos son Vicente who was extradited here to the US in 2009 and jailed without sentencing until chapos trial for which his testimony that was so "crucial" in the conviction of the the world's most famous trafficker got him a minimum sentence of 10 years which he had already served being jailed since 2009. The host is oblivious to think his father would want him dead. It cost him the better part of a billion with a B to keep his son safe for a decade. Chapo was nobody's pawn he was a trafficker that built a great network between the late 80s and now. His downfall was his popularity but nobody planned for his demise it's just how things went. Corruption in America does exist anyone with half a brain and a brief history of the Zambadas would have realized that having Vicente Zambada in custody would deal a great blow to cartel instead they hand him back knowing that he will become a bigger trafficker than Chapo did. So either you believe conspiracies that the US has a plan to track him and possibly lead to his father's arrest, or what sounds the most likely that mayo did pay a lot of officials almost a billion to keep his son safe for him to one-day return home. All you have to do is listen carefully to the music... Within a year of Vicente's arrest there was a song made about El mayo saying that even though they took his son the story was not over and he was working hard on bringing him back. Few years later another song for mayo the closing lyrics state he has the strategy for his return. Another song made for his brother mayito Gordo where mayito send greetings to his two bros in jail in the US that soon they would all be together again and there isn't a judge who doesn't have a fortune to brag about.

[@Sin.Atonement]

All you cartel experts, then you have Ed who was actually in Mexico doing police work lol

[@Ah-ws9nm]

I wouldn’t call him a pawn. But he definitely wasn’t above the programming

[@ChepeNdejo97]

Does he kinda look like a hispanic version of joe rogan 😂

[@NikodemProductions]

He even sounds like him.

[@dannysalinas1998]

What are this guys credentials? To say Sinaloa started in Los Angeles is ridiculous has he ever even heard of Miguel Ángel???

[@vitocarbonara7770]

Great interview!!!!!!!

[@frankmurillo422]

Maybe not a Pawn, high ranking but the poster boy for the Federation

[@TheVery1stTime]

YEP the complete TRUTH they used him as a trophy when HE is not even close to first in command at all

[@FrkSva]

All these people talkin and commenting about chapo being a pawn when they sit on KZbin and watch videos but the guy who was there on the front lines, has Intel and knows his shit is wrong but all these KZbin clowns who work at CVS know the truth... Got it

[@sacrificeisparadise]

fax all these armchair experts so butthurt 😂

[@Tribalism70]

Got a lil lettuce 🥬 from your lunch buddy

[@clickytheblicky9895]

Basically so chapo was a project manager/CEO frontman

[@lilscrilla5127]

Like a general

[@stonergamerdavis7720]

Capo not ah don

[@jbizzle2232]

No, Ed always gets this wrong, the Sinaloa cartel is made up of families working together under one name, each family has their own boss tho, El Mayo and El Chapo just happen to be the biggest names

[@Ah-ws9nm]

@@jbizzle2232 Great example. It’s like in the US you have folk nation. But folk nation is made up of other gangs. GDs (Larry Hoover) BDs (King David) etc.

[@ty-ex1vb]

Ye sir

[@damienrodriguez4496]

You're gone if you become a theory of prodigal son

[@molvera1549]

The book is called El traidor by Anabel Hernández she's an amazing reporter

[@turk3sh]

Everyone is a pawn to the drugs.

[@Nando_2020]

No one knows Zambadas name? Maybe not in the US but in Mexico everyone knows him. Zambadas son turned himself in and received his dad’s blessing. These dudes need to do their homework if they’re going to speak on a topic.

[@damienrodriguez4496]

SA is a piston shrimp he creates the fusion of the son

[@luie92114]

Just listening to him if this interview was a few days ago this guy definitely just knows half of the scoop "a pawn" no 2nd in command and very in charge of everything being transported through him and his compadre MZ needs to listen to his tape recording and transcripts if he's doing interviews.. jmop

[@txkingg]

bro he was the main guy. As a large organization if you can't survive the head guy getting caught\dying you shouldn't be that big. All these cartels have back up plans for the head guy. You can't just cut the head of the snake like people may think.

[@GVino_Bambino]

I find it weird you can’t search his name on tiktok

[@Sotober]

This Guy seemed legit on Joe Rogan but he Just looking for views now

[@wastedtalent666]

This guy sounds jealous trying to downplay Choppys status

[@Redbusser40]

Edgar Valdez Villarreal la Barbie 👀

[@charleslennonbaker]

I was wondering when "Cubans" would be introduced in this narrative.

[@87mrreynolds]

Cubans where the main dealers of coke at because many already lived in America spoke both English and Spanish at first the Columbia’s didn’t know any one or speak English so the Cubans became the obvious partners

[@ambrizfer7898]

The Cuban is a brother in law. He was a cop in Cuba then Fidel took over so he went to the us to sell heroin then ended up in Mexico and married el mayo sister and brought el mayo to the us to sell drugs in la and Chicago

[@stancurry6265]

Lol

[@lighterthansome3781]

El Mayo is definitely not trying to kill his son. In fact Vicente, El Mayo’s son, is his favorite and it is believed that El Mayo gave him permission to snitch and even testify against El Chapo.

[@joeycardenas5126]

It was actually a cuban who was raised in miami!! And was dealing with Tejanos from texas and florida but then the cuban met El mayos sister and married her and thats how the sinaloa cartel started.

[@LatinGhost916]

American power is almighty

[@ltx383]

The pawns son just got captured again total of 29 dead… doesn’t sound like a pawn just another major player.

[@iducreyes]

Chapo was General of the CDS!

[@eltortuga2721]

You must not value your life alot of people respect that men cause he was a boss he help alot of his communities when the government wouldn’t so he just not a pawn

[@swisher5801]

This guy has no idea what he's talking about he should be on fox news.

[@Kush308z]

The Sinaloa cartel has 3 leaders El chapo was mostly the face

[@Elblanco463]

A very rich pawn.

[@TheRichLA]

Ed Calderon losing credibility episode by episode

[@Infamous_Studioz]

Wasn’t there footage or so chalk being arrested inside a house in a room? Since when was he arrested outside by road police?

[@Cyanide999]

Ed Calderon is NOT a cartel expert idk why these podcasts keep booking him. He just regurgitates what everyone in Mexico already knows. Was he a cop in Mexico yes but that was 20 years ago. It's like asking the cops who arrested the main Cosa Nostra figures in the 80s and 90s about the current Italian Mafia today. This dude just talks and talks.

[@achief7360]

They want the views and by Mayo never stepping foot in jail comes the speculations. Mayo & Chapo were business partners, there’s even a voice recording were he calls him my partner (Socio) not my boss. Chapo was known because that was his character and Mayo was always in the shadows so to speak because Mayo and chapo had big parties in Culiacán even had songs made for them but you know who really is in the shadows and doesn’t allow songs to mention his name and y’all may already heard from him in Narcos it’s el Azul now that guy is a ghost.

[@stephenmason9527]

Oh yeah sure, because "pawns" wind up with hundreds of millions of dollars 🙄🤦‍♂️

[@leftie7098]

El Azul is the main leader while El Mayo is definitely 2nd in command...El Chapo is the face

[@blakejones4222]

Never heard of El Azul. I'm working on making a trip over to Mexico in the near future.

[@leftie7098]

@@blakejones4222 what....he was Mr.untouchable before even the Lord of lords started the first Mexican cartel The Guadalajara Cartel if he didn't save a certain someone from dieing the Columbians would still have Omnipotent Power today

[@strafer8764]

@@blakejones4222 he supposedly died under suspicious circumstances and the body was gone. I’ve read so many stories I start to get them mixed up. I think it’s the same Azul they had in the Narcos show but I doubt he died as they betrayed it

[@patron5409]

The real boss of Sinaloa is El Mayo Zambada he has never been arrested and is around 70 years old.

[@keeprightx]

💯

[@sethantonetti4078]

I can tell you for a fact this guy has absolutely no idea what he is talking about. 🤡 nothing but theories and his own ideas… another man making a living off the back of someone who really went out there and made it happen for themselves.

[@ty-ex1vb]

Huh? This guy is known in Mexico, he was a police for the cartel. You’re not involved in Mexican culture most likely in America and u get ur image of the cartel from social media…. El Chapo learned his stuff in LA came to Mexico and was used as bait, the “cartel” don’t call themselves cartel members that was branded by the American federation. Almost to all Mexican traders use El Chapo as a blueprint NOT TO FOLLOW, they love being in the shadow and living like a king…. Remember American culture loves dumb criminals who sing and show the world they are criminals

[@John-lv1zq]

In one intercepted phone call from his gf they talked about a 300 pound pit deal That doesn't sound to major

[@usercantbeblank]

This guys is so wrong on many things, how is he regarded an expert on Cartel issues

[@Gixsir]

He just downplayed everything then at the very end talking about the tunnels…. “yes it was very expensive quite the operation” which is it was he a pawn or not? Seems by that quote alone he’s probably important