El Dorado and Heroes & Hexes expansion - Shut Up & Sit Down Review

[@KZsZs]

"I might not be rubbish!" is my new favorite pick up line.

[@Alex_K221]

Has it worked?

[@KZsZs]

@@Alex_K221I will become a father in late February. So my answer is a categorical maybe.

[@inotterwords6115]

@@KZsZs Your child might not be rubbish!

[@BliskMyth]

This video made El Dorado spike on Board Game Geek. That is the power of SU&SD.

[@demonicbunny3po]

I actually support more rambling. The opener episodes were fun and I liked the random recipes. I enjoy you guys adding in that little extra something to your episodes

[@OrionCanning]

Robo Rally was one of my first favorite board games to play with my family too. My dad made his own boards by photographing the board and cutting out the little squares to rearrange them in photoshop, with added spaces like teleporters, and then laminate them. We also made house rules where each robot had its own thematic special ability. Zoom bots move 3s counted as move 4s. Twitch bot evaded attacks by moving 1 space forward, which was often worse. Twonky started the game with a free random option card. If hammer bot was within 1 space of you they could do a three damage flurry of hammers in place of a lazer. Hulk X90s move 3s counted as move 2s, but had a super lazer that could shoot through walls and hit multiple players in the same line. Squash bot did 2 damage (or was it 1?) just by ramming another players bot. Trundle bot could ignore the second phase of conveyor movement, and spin bots turn left and rights could be used as either when revealed, but had every other damage lock a card, making them much more easily go out of control. I still believe this to be the superior form of the game...

[@rocketfallen]

CHRONO TRIGGER sorry that's just an automatic repsonse hearing the music just brings me such genuine joy

[@TehShrike]

For everyone curious about the Robo Rally 2023 release, the senior producer replied to the "So has this version addressed Quinn's (SUSD) criticisms of the 2016 edition?" thread on BGG, and it sounds positive!

[@faucetrememberly2399]

espancion may be spanish for expansion, but did you know that expansion is just short for extra pansion?

[@ZelDances]

Oh but did you know that pansion is just short for panda mansion?

[@tinchosabala]

Zel, And did you know that Panda Mansion is short for......uh......wait.....shit.... Also, in Spanish it’s written Expansion, and pronounced like it’s written, instead of Expanshon, like in English.

[@richirare]

Expansion in Spanish is actually... expansión

[@FrankDad]

It’s German

[@mr.rogers7612]

@@FrankDad your moms German

[@Vysetron]

One of the best SUSD reviews in a while, and not just because it's Knizia. I really appreciate providing personal anecdotes and context. It injects some much needed humanity into reviewing, which can often feel clinical. Thanks Quinns.

[@Overthought7]

I've watched like 30+ SU&SD reviews now and I just have to say their reviews are fantastic! Yes, they're entertaining, but even just the functional parts strike this tricky balance between telling the rules & keeping it practical. Plus, I love how they talk about what it feels like to play the games, or how that feeling evolves over time. A round of applause to you all!

[@beststonerr]

You should play Robo Rally on a stream~

[@jenspunga2834]

Su&Sd Plays Robo Rally? :D Thnx for all d likes and comments every1! Also I thought about timed turns too, dont want it to get too think-tanky, maybe one of those little hourglasses.

[@Chupacabra2012]

I would love this!

[@flametitan100]

I'm on board for this stream idea

[@MrBongoking]

They absolutely have to stream the game. It would would work so well

[@RadiantSolarWeasel]

30 second turns or riot

[@MrBongoking]

Jonathan Lane I’ve not played Gaslands, but from what I hear it would also make a great stream

[@Justagamerhere1]

When you hear Robo's theme and immediately know the game.

[@shinypigeongames]

I loved the secret bonus review at the end! As someone who is designing their first racing board game, it was awesome hearing about what aspects of Robo Rally brought you the most joy. Thank you for sharing this nugget from your early game days! 🖤

[@Weldingization]

I enjoyed the Robo Rally review immensely. I'd love it if SU&SD looked at other classic boardgames!

[@szendroib]

I have to agree on the expansion. I love the base Quest for El Dorado, but we really didn't enjoy the expansion, it makes the whole experience less controllable, amplifying the randomness by a huge factor. There are some devastating curses, and a lots of uninteresting ones. Would love to play the new boards with some different curse rules tho, to add more variety. The heroes I don't really mind, but the best part is the starting anymals. But even there we feel like that discarding rhe parrot right away and buying something expensive is the most powerful of the 4.

[@Kemanial]

Holy smokes, "cask strength nostalgia". You English people, you've got some good good words.

[@dandurkin9735]

"Quintin Smith and The Quest for Robo Rally" (brilliant review - thank you!)

[@andrewbilling6301]

Unbelievable. Just looking at your review for El Dorado and was amazed with the ending when you began talking about Robo Rally. What a delightful game. I spent many hours playing this during my Uni years. Such wonderful memories. Thanks for talking about this lovely game, made my day today 4 years on.

[@FBracht]

Quinns repeatedly guaranteeing that the related videos would have absolutely no ramblings from his childhood while pointing directly at the new Spire RPG video was an absolutely golden bit of unintentional humor

[@fy8798]

Stop being so mean to us Germans! It's not our fault we're addicted to expansions! And it's not that bad a problem. Really, we honestly don't have an expansion problem. Let me just make room in my shelf by putting away 9 different Settlers of Catan expansions to make room for the inevitable six El Dorado expansions that I am totally ever going to use.

[@IsaiahTanenbaum]

oh, you Germans and your need for, uh... *expansion*

[@camipco]

You're not Fantasy Flight games addicted.

[@coolsunday6339]

Germans liking expansions!. I seem to rememeber that caused some problems in the past.

[@teejayburger2136]

@@coolsunday6339 well at least they like expansions to have a good polish

[@robertdullnig3625]

Quest for El Dorado was definitely my top game for 2017. I agree about the hexes though, especially the ones that make you move pieces. The one time I played with them, there ended up being a weird potential king-making situation at the end no one was comfortable with. It changed from a fluid game to one that stopped for awkward choices.

[@billtodd2194]

OMG, Chrono Trigger and Robo Rally, total nostalgia blast. I loved both games in middle school in the mid 90s. Doubt it's what got me in to board gaming, but pretty sure it helped me along to becoming a software developer. How can you not like watching an actor carry out every single command exactly as you set, even if it was a total mistake?

[@drbasseri]

Mechs vs Minions! I know yall did consulting work with it, but I'd recommend it!

[@TorIverWilhelmsen]

The parody cards are kind of like many promo cards that break theme: E.g. playing 7 Wonders with Leaders, and add Wil Wheaton and Stevie Wonder...

[@LorxusIsAFox]

Ah, yes, the ultimate guide: TALKING TO SOMEONE WHO ACTUALLY LIVES HERE.

[@mystfawn8774]

at 13:55 i suddenly sat up sharply, seeing JUST that board and went "ROBO RALLY! ROBO RALLY! Please play Robo Rally!" rofl Edit: Quinns stop apologising for your "rambling about your childhood". All the comments i can see are saying the same thing. Get your childhood ON DISPLAY and play Robo Rally! The GOOD original version! The Fans are Shouting!

[@violetto3219]

youtube suggested the Spire review in the end cards, which actually does in fact end with quinn rambling about a lot of things, including his childhood, to some degree

[@nfinn42]

The Robo theme from Crono Trigger playing as you introduced the Robo Rally segment really was perfect. Great touch. ^_^

[@camipco]

No mention of one of the most brilliant aspects of Robo Rally - the damage system. For the uninitiated, it reduces your hand size, reducing your already amusingly inadequate options or even better/worse, locks in commands. So from now on, you have to start every round with a left turn. Getting a limping along stuck turning left robot to do anything, even if it's just extract a little revenge by crashing into a healthier bot and bringing them down to your level, is a pure delight.

[@321seb]

3:10 ohhhhhhh youre in for a treat!!

[@peterzerfass4609]

You could immediately tell, at small gaming cons, which group was playing robo ralley. The amounts of laughter and "WTF?" moments just made it obvious. Yes, the original version has a very special place in my heart (with some tweaks to avoid "leader breakaway syndrome" and getting options more easily). Truly one of the greates board games when it comes to shere fun factor. (and isnt that what playing with friends is all about?)

[@pintpullinggeek]

Someone brought Robo Rally to our weekly MtG group in 2000. We didn't play any Magic for about a month because we just adored the crazy shenanigans that went on. After hearing what happened to it I'm glad I resisted the urge to buy the updated version I saw at a convention a few years back.

[@alexandreproisy1645]

The mascot off to phone to their union is gold. Thank you for the great review!

[@andy4an]

"no one seems to have bought, or even want this new edition of roborally" pardon! i like it significantly better. * the deckbuilding mechanic is stellar, and evens out your turns * the options are much better since you get to buy so many more of them * the priority system is much improved. yeah, there are problems, but they removed so many problems that I have grace for them. in short, they took out the fiddly bits, and left the core that makes the game great. and since it's MUCH easier to teach, I get to play it more often!

[@briannaheine8587]

I work in a new game store. We've sold 2-3 copies of the new Robo Rally each month since opening. Great game for family game night. Kids love it!

[@guillaumeblanc2409]

Roborally is also also an old favovorite in my group! I agree the latest 2016 edition was not ambitious enough....however some New rules, such as the order of play Or the individual decks, help a lot the dynamic of the game (no need to reschuffle and distribute all the cards which was a pain in the old versions). Would love an XXL édition with more of everything and even a deck building option if that Can be done ! Merci beaucoup pour la vidéo ! Greetings from belgium!

[@c.w.2000]

Guillaume Blanc I haven't played either version of the game, but I have watched the Dice Tower comparison, and the new version components are so cheap. It might play better, but I would never bother even trying. It might be okay for kids, but hobby gamers have moved beyond this level of production.

[@martinba9629]

I also think the 2016 RR edition is OK. Yeah, the quality is nothing to boast too much about, but the painted robot minis are neat, and the programming cards are the same size and quality as the cards in El Dorado, although QED certainly looks prettier. Also, the RR'16 has a usable inlay. Unfortunately I have never seen the old RR game live, so I can't compare.

[@beazer32]

I just received Quest for El Dorado in the mail this morning! Really glad this is such a positive review.

[@kadinfehr785]

Was literally just binge watching your playlist... perfect timing! Very interested in this one based off what you said about it in your podcast.

[@lazulin]

I looooove Quest for El Dorado. Next to Clank, my favorite deckbuilder. I haven't had a chance to try the expansion yet, so can't speak about it, but the base game is incredible.

[@ChrisSmithSmooth]

Heroes & Hexes is so weird - I love bits of it, but since getting it my desire to play more Quest dropped off a ton - It's just not that cool lean race game any more and a bit of a messier affair. Which is a shame, because I love the idea of hero cards for going on a diversion, and of spaces where you can take a negative effect to move forward. I may actually just house rule it to just give you a Demon card and ignore the rest of the tokens. Excited to see what they do with future expansions though - Considering the weird approach that H&H took, it would be nice to see what mad path is taken next ^^.

[@nad613]

I'd totally be into a series based on favorite childhood games and where they are now, or maybe a series on older games in general. I think there are a lot of good older board games that a lot of people newer to the hobby haven't even heard of.

[@ValkyrieTiara]

If you wanted us to know exactly the level of sheer nostalgic love you have for that game, you could have just played Robo's theme again.

[@SuperSaiyanMax]

Damn I thought you were gonna whip out Trains at the end and got excited. Robo Rally is cool too, I suppose.

[@TPRJones]

I loved Robo Rally, but many of my gaming friends found that it dragged on and got tedious. As a compromise after five full rounds of no-one touching a flag the nearest bot would be teleported to flag one, the end of the next turn would see the nearest remaining bot teleported, and so on one per turn until all bots were flagged. Then a new five-turn counter would start for flag two after which if no one reached it the process would repeat. This sped up the game quite a bit without changing the character of the game very much.

[@skippythewonderchicken7511]

Loved the bit about Robo Rally. Felt exceptionally heartfelt and really interesting. I hope you get your good reboot/new edition some day!

[@kadinfehr785]

A triple review? Your flattering me, Quinns.

[@theprocastinators9518]

Quinns: "In conclusion..." Me: *Looks at length of video*

[@TheSaltyPilgrim]

Trains literally looks like what a parody of a modern board game would look like. You make me laugh in every video, I feel slightly bad for it, and I love that about your channel.

[@SnowDave]

Came for El Dorado, stayed for Robo Rally, also a game that got me into the hobby back in the 90s.

[@jackchandelier]

Love this game, but TRAINS is my favorite deck builder too!!

[@_Grimblewedge_]

More childhood! I think it would be SO interesting to play some of the games I loved from my childhood and see how they've held up. Of course, this was the 70s and 80s, before Atari and Intellivision relegated our meager stack of board games to a dusty corner until they ended up in the pile of garage sale items. I remember Feudal and Twixt being my favorite games that aren't Clue or Stratego or Battleship. I'm sure my fond memories of those games are much better than the games themselves, but it would be fun to play them again.

[@gdog102]

"It's cheap!" Also: Out of stock.

[@tomatomodest2487]

13:56 seeing the robo rally board hit me so much nostalgia

[@griffinlobster]

Is there a more aggressively 90s game than Robo Rally? Those 3D renders on the options cards: sublime. And then to introduce it with a thematically appropriate song from one of the most beloved video games from the 90s, inspired.

[@shelby142]

Ugh, I just went from somewhat interested in Quest for El Dorado to "Oh my God I need this why haven't I bought this yet this looks so good ahhhhhh" and my wallet is just shaking its (Vault Boy) head. Darn you, Quinns, for presenting great games in a compelling way!

[@macroverbumsciolist]

i love the 90s robo rally! one of my fondest board gaming memories is visiting my eldest brother in london and playing it on a timer with a steady drip of cider. i don't think we even finished a single course, but damn it was fun.

[@xanadu1215]

OMG YOU guys are costing me a fortune. I've been watching you for just 3 days and spent over $400! (Yup Chrokinole) BUT Also this and Terra something and....Thank you. You do the BEST Reviews! I miss Robo Rally and I never owned or played it. :(

[@lancerfour]

i'm trying to go to bed, watch a nice SU&SD review to get a little perspective on new games. but then Robo's theme plays. dawg. dawg. you can't just throw down CT in the middle of an otherwise perfectly satisfying experience. I don't even know what to do now. granted, good use of it though.

[@salmanqaisar7377]

@Quinns, your thoughts on the new Robo Rally by Renegade this year?? Regards, Salman

[@diggah]

Interesting about RoboRally. I feel the same way about the original Warhammer Quest. I loved that game and recent reworkings have never quite made me feel the same way as I did back at uni in the late 90s, playing it into the small hours. I deeply regret selling it years ago, especially as the price it commands these days is ludicrous. LONG LIVE NOSTALGIA!

[@whoisbatman]

More childhood! :D When I saw Robo Rally appear on the screen even before you said it, I exclaimed, out loud, "Aw yeah!" I love that game so much. I also used to play the 1st edition in the olden days and I did buy the 3rd edition a couple of years ago, but yes, it's not *as* good any more even though they... tried? I think? I think they tried. I've been trying to fix it, personally, by re-adding the initiative count and custom printing some of the cards. (I hate that the cards in that version are sooo so so flimsy. Ugh.)

[@davidenania7386]

Just bought El Dorado mostly for this review. I love it. Thank you guys

[@c.w.2000]

I bought El Dorado last month: it's great value ($30 Cndn online). The mechanisms match the theme, and things change frequently so it's not boring. There are many variations in the box, so I don't need an expansion yet, but not sure if I will get this one, even though it's not expensive here ($20 Cndn). There is a new stand-alone called The Golden Temples coming later this year that can be combined with the original. Thanks for the RoboRally introduction. The original version looks great. I'll send an e-mail to the publisher. Maybe we can start a petition to return the game to it's former glory. I mean, it's not like having to rebuild an old house where the materials don't exist anymore or are ridiculously expensive.

[@wjhull]

I never played Robo Rally myself as a child (my first foray into racing board games was actually an old edition of Formula 1, which is basically that Tour de France game that you played on your stream), but it reminds me quite a bit of the League of Legends board game Mechs vs Minions. Oh, I just did some Internet research and learned that Quinns was actually a consultant on Mechs vs Minions, so there you go, Quinns. Someone already made a thematically fun and updated version of Robo Rally, Quinns. AND THAT SOMEONE WAS YOU. Though, granted, it's a questing game, not a race game, but a Mech Race would be a very small bunny-hop from what you've already got there. Edit: Also worth mentioning that there is a race mod for the game itself that they call "Sion Speedway", so there is literally no reason why they couldn't make a racing game next.

[@leeperry7068]

I've loved you all for so long, and the moment Robo Rally hit your table with that intro I doubled down. One of my all time favorite games, no doubt.

[@DougSchulz]

Robo Rally is still one of my favorite games ever. I second everything Quinns said here.

[@aaronfirewing9196]

I would really like to see a game that has a ton of crazy expansions that add tons of new ideas without the base game being out of print or not the newest edition

[@MrUSAFMatt]

Im new to your channel but I seriously think that you have the best reviews! Im definitely here to stay. Awesome video I just impulse bought El Dorado.

[@LeoStaley]

Making a new version of Robo Rally sounds like exactly the sort of thing that Restoration Games would be up for. That's basically what they do, they take an old game that has been abandoned or destroyed, and make a new game based heavily on it, but legally independent.

[@ViscountCharles]

I see you have a German-language copy. Luckily that is totally playable. But RavensburgerUK really screwed up by not bringing any English-language copies to the UK :(

[@Aquadoozy]

Wow, I was so confused hearing Quinn explain about how the market works. i have literally never played it like that. We confused the rules wording speaking of 3 cards of a pile, to literally mean when 3 empty piles in the market occur, then every card becomes available. Wow. that is one hell of rules gone wrong mishap. Oops. Thanks shut up for making the game easier... and also harder...

[@PaulPaulPaulson]

Do it like Hunter & Cron and organize a reprint of the original robo rally

[@Reggie1408]

What did they do?

[@Greenhooves]

Any chance Restoration Games could take a swing at Robo Rally? Maybe get Foglio back and do a Girl Genius edition?

[@JosephLachh]

"Because they're dead, or they're off to phone their union or something." I love it. Yes, that is why we can only overwork our animals once. It's because they went on strike and called their union.

[@perspicacioussimpleton7288]

Quinns! Your requests have been answered; incoming new edition of Robo Rally looks amazing!

[@WanderingLunatic]

Love that spiral board in RoboRally. I put it in whenever I can.

[@gabtrat9091]

I had been soured on Heroes & Hexes from this review but after finally playing it I REALLY liked it! The curse cards remind me of the fog of war in Undaunted.

[@TheShadesOfBlack]

Quinn's "It's a racing game" Ok cool. Quinn's "It's easy to teach" Yup. Got it. Quinn's "It scapes well and the difficulty is modular" Whatever. Quinn's "It's a deck builder." O.o what?? I need it

[@andy4an]

ironically, the new version of roborally that quins hates got deckbuilding elements!

[@paupertim5819]

Robo Rally has a great spiritual successor with Mechs vs Minions which I think was turned into a better more polished game.

[@carpemkarzi]

Hot didgglty Robo Rally. One of my fave Games of all time....free fall shaft depth verification team...I have an early edition WothC with the unpainted pewter figures. Glad to see it still getting love. I actually missed the expansions for the WotC version..so damn. I used Robo Rally to start to ease my kids into the hobby as well.

[@theunamiable]

Love me some RoboRally. Guess I had the second edition, but we ended up printing out a lot fan boards with crazy particle accelerators and what have you. The recent edition does have some cool ideas, but the flimsy components and dull aesthetics don't really help. Have also played one game of El Dorado, which didn't grip me with as much fervour, but seemed solid.

[@Pajman77]

Thank you for reviewing Robo Rally. I still have my first edition box, worn down from love and frequent play. More people need to know that it used to be a great game.

[@brianwilliams7081]

Not sure if you're aware of this, but your cameraman is clearly a vampire.

[@CapriciousMissK]

The original Robo Rally was amazing. It still sits on my shelf and gets pulled out occasionally. Sadly I did not get any of the expansions.

[@DevilboyScooby]

10:19 didn't realise Johnny Chiodini was in a board game! 😆

[@photoshopafficionado]

El Dorado moving into Robo Rally.... didn't see that one coming. Brilliant.

[@htak2010]

Robo's Theme! Aaaaahhh sweet nostalgia tears running down my face.

[@Outshinedsg]

A deck builder with board exploration and racing as complicating mechanics? El Dorado sounds a lot like my favorite board game, Clank!

[@besidethebishop]

8:30 The heck is going on with that cup of tea

[@repeataftermeme75]

Never played robo rally but I’d be down if someone were to teach it to me. On the other side, I’m not exactly after something I have zero experience with. Hearing how everyone speaks of it, I see why its loved, but also why others may not or simply wish some things were corrected about it. Perhaps if someone did get the license, I would assume fans would want an updated look to it, but also keep what’s good about it and fix what needs to be fixed while adding to it (new expansions). I feel like this game requires the touch of a hard core fan who knows the game very well. Someone who can work alongside whomever takes over the license.

[@chalor182]

"Elevated Dorado," "I might not be rubbish," and "it's a German board game I'm not just.. racist" are three of the best things I've heard all month

[@sleepinflame1288]

I have Robo Rally. I didn’t know there were expansions. Box has the corners duct taped together.

[@hagashi1]

You can't just pop in with Chrono Trigger music like that man. You've gotta warn us first. Who's going to replace the 40 hours of my life I'm about to lose

[@IslanKleinknecht]

I actually wish SUSD put out more content that was less reviews and what you can buy, and more like the Robo Rally segment: sharing in the hobby doesn't always have to focus on the new.

[@jesseclark7105]

Actually, I wouldn't call El Dorado a deck-builder. Building is only half the strategy. It's more like a deck-manipulator: you want to get the good cards in, but you need to get the bad cards out. Starting cards will ruin you later on if you don't trash them, and the objective is to get a slim, efficient deck if you really want to win. Camps and purple cards encourage this by often being easy to access (unlike Clank In Space, where trashing cards is nearly impossible). So it's fun for people who like collecting lots of cards, but it's more fun for people who like efficiency.

[@dilarus8231]

Quinns, please tell us more about your childhood games, that was spellbindingly lovely

[@dariofuentes4872]

Nice reference to Chrono Trigger! just in the nostalgia!

[@KattKirsch]

Gosh, Robo Rally. A game that deserves a beautiful $100 deluxe obnoxious gorgeous handcrafted box version.

[@iheartfire]

Hell yeah! I love the Robo theme from Chrono Trigger for the Robo Rally intro! Brilliant

[@EasternVampire]

Ouch... That hurts a lot.. you see I've moded my "Runebound 2nd ed" to use a movement mechanics as this one, I've changed the game so it's a totally new game, & thought it will be a good idea to puplish it under my name. I guess it's not my favorable winds...

[@sigururkristmundsson479]

3:24 They actually made the deck "grow" with camera magic