Elden Ring Mini Spoilercast | Castle Super Beast Clips

[@blackcrowrain]

Elden Ring is a cautionary tale about what happens when eldritch Outer Gods learn about the concept of Manifest Destiny.

[@fernandozavaletabustos205]

True! Also narrative writing used in Wrestling business.

[@vivalagamb7034]

Straight up Hoarah Loux was just standing there about to grab the belt and then just the tarnished's entrance music starts playing like it's wwe as he just runs into the ring.

[@Mr.2Dirty]

I imagine Hoarah Loux as Triple H then when the tarnished comes in, Stone Cold glass shatters.

[@ThOrb_God_of_Chonk]

(JR on commentary as Hoarah Loux is about to claim the Elden Ring Championship) JR: NO DAMNIT! NOT LIKE THIS! OH YOU SON OF A BITCH HOARAH LOUX! (Glass shatters) JR: OH MY GOD! ITS THE TARNISHED!!! THE TARNISHED IS HERE!!! OH HELL YEAH! BUSINESS HAS JUST PICKED UP! TARNISHED! TARNISHED! TARNISHED! TARNISHED!

[@riddlemethat5597]

and then he Godfrey comes off the top rope and lands on...SEROSH! BAH GAWD HE'S BROKEN IN HALF!

[@Loiner_Leftie]

So collecting the demigod runes is just winning the Money in The Bank briefcase to cash in and steal his title

[@riddlemethat5597]

They pull the hood off the robed figure and it's Marika standing there with a shit eating grin on her face. "IT WAS ME RENALLA. IT WAS ME RENALLA, IT WAS ME ALL ALONG RENALLA. YOU BOUGHT IT. YOU ALL BOUGHT IT. EVEN MY IMMEDIATE FAMILY BOUGHT IT."

[@samuelhayden5163]

Houra Loux was the heel in his own story, redeemed, given a hero arc, then tossed aside for the fresh new thing before being called back because he can finish the job. It really is just fantasy WWE And the fingers are caricatures of Vince McMan.

[@TheSergio1021]

That is the most outlandish but somehow accurate description of Elden Ring I have ever read

[@jaykelley103]

Wrestling is just Donald Trump shit now. Bigoted.

[@Garl_Vinland]

I love how Patches has unironically become your friend now carrying over his arc in the Ringed City. Even when he kicks you down the cliff in this game, it’s so you don’t involve yourself with Volcano manor.

[@SeruraRenge11]

The thing I like is that despite using different methods, Ranni and Goldmask ultimately are working towards the same goal in the end: a world where the Gods can no longer fuck with us with impunity. With Ranni she is simply sealing them away from us, with Goldmask he is binding them so that they have to play by the same rules we do.

[@NamesSmeg]

Why not do both? Hog tie them, and shove em inside a boom tube?

[@boanoah6362]

They're not the same though, Goldmask's solution is to remove the Gods from the equation because they're essentially just normal people who do normal asshole shit for illogical reasons. Ranni's solution is to essentially plunge the world into the infinite darkness of the unknown without a guiding light so they can find their own way to their own ideals.

[@SciontheDark]

I like how Pat assumes the world of Dark Souls takes place on a planet and not a giant kiln.

[@profeseurchemical]

my mind expanded reading this comment

[@fellicojelisarrivera8434]

Yeah. I mean, the sun was leaking shit in DS3; that's not real life's cosmology. Gwyn may have even created the sun himself (maybe the largest spark of fire/lightning Gwyn could hurl into the sky). Consider the Age of Ancients, where everything was grey, and the Age of Dark/Man, which is said to be an Endless Night...

[@SciontheDark]

Plus the fact that all the lands end up swirled together as the fire fades the last time, piled up in ash. That there's an "edge of the world" possibly showing that their world is flat, or HAS an edge at least.

[@YetiCoolBrother]

After hearing the last part of this I'm fully convinced Malenia started out as Lady Tomoe DLC for Sekiro.

[@nicov1003]

Omg that would have been amazing. We were robbed!

[@tychoazrephet3794]

My actual favorite thing about the cutscene for Godfrey is the first thing he says: "It's been...a long while, Morgott." He isn't even facing us, the greatest threat to the Golden Order, he's cradling the withered corpse of his son. The son you murdered, a cursed, miserable child who loathed himself as much as the world around him did. It's a small, beautiful moment where we see Godfrey not as a king. Not as a champion, not the warrior Horah Loux. We first see him first as a father, quietly mourning over his lost child. From has progressed amazingly with humanizing their enemies and making you, the player, feel like the real monster of the story.

[@eroschama]

The number of people who seemingly talk over or just entirely miss this moment is so saddening. It's such a humanizing moment and to my recollection is like the only tender moment we see between the demi-gods in the entire game.

[@DiranJiru]

Now I feel bad for not knowing this and appreciating it for what it is.

[@sasaki999pro]

Now imagine if all characters had this level of intimate detail, and actually interacted with each other in natural conversations, instead of just making some random tarnished jackass play telephone and run messages to NPC's that are literally two rooms apart from each other. That would be pretty cool. Seeing NPC's have a mutual conversation with eachother instead of just dull one sided monologues directed at the PC. Too bad modern game design just isn't ready for such groundbreaking innovation.

[@deslacooda]

@@sasaki999pro It gives me a glimmer of hope that FromSoft is smart enough to slowly but surely, implement more and more mechanics that will help bring their worlds even MORE to life than they already feel. Imagine next big thing from them will be a New Vegas style companion system complete with side chatter and even triggered flavor text, but never overbearing or parroting the same lines over and over. We can dream..

[@ancrathjustice8516]

"You didn't have to swing" in regards to Alexander made me cry.

[@jaykelley103]

Low t

[@bigbrowski410]

Miquella being set up as Elden Ring’s Griffith has me hugely excited for what the fuck the DLC might be, he seems to be the most obvious loose end to close up and him being the one guy who can tell the outer gods to fuck off has such potential

[@elcrow113]

I hope to see godwyn in the dlc

[@Silverhawk100]

@@elcrow113 *Buzzing flies intensifies*

[@69Kazeshini]

@wwrr rrr yea i saw that theory, it does make sense as to why everyone is so trusting of you. Miquellas demigod power is the power to make people love him or trust him.

[@InvaderKaz2008]

I want Godwyn DLC and Miquella DLC so fuckin bad. I'm imagining how incredible it would be to fight Miquella and he's just this androgynous, angelic *thing*, the Griffith analogy is so apt it would be SO SICK. Godwyn tho... probably the best body horror potential in anything, its horrifying

[@smokinbonez420]

@@sugartoothYT thats true but elden ring is so much more popular than any other title of froms so maybe they would be more inspired in terms of direction by community demand. it's insane how successful this game was compared to all the souls series combined

[@BaronQmark]

I like how this title could describe literally any episode of CSB from the last like 6 months or so

[@doremiancleff1508]

Rykard is eaten, alive or not, by a snake to become immortal: "Yep, no question. Makes sense". Marika is Radagon: "But how?"

[@crazygamer4260]

Yeah it's not like there's some magic sorceress who if you give an item to can change your whole appearance including your gender or anything guys. /s

[@suavesong4134]

@@crazygamer4260 to be fair it’s not really just a change in appearance, it’s literally two different people in one vessel with different motives.

[@crazygamer4260]

@@suavesong4134 at that point its a fantasy video game and they're thinking too hard

[@Kilborns]

@@crazygamer4260 "just don't think about anything the game presents you with and turn your brain off"

[@nackskott12]

There is an explanation for Marika and Radagon being the same entity - The Golden Order places a strong emphasis on the idea of becoming a greater whole by removing differences (which is why they hate Those Who Live In Death and other groups so much, because they're different). This is explained in the game as the Law of Regression and the idea of regressing to the mean, so basically Radagon and Marika became one as a part of the ideal to become one larger whole. It also has a lot to do with alchemy and gnosticism. I think Last Protagonist has a good video on it.

[@GrieveIV]

Personally, Elden Ring doesn’t answer all the questions, but it answers enough have a digestible story narrative.

[@GrieveIV]

@Game Gallows something like that yea lol

[@TheAnomaly00]

Personally I think it's the perfected form of Miyazaki's storytelling. Compared to DS trilogy or BB where it feels like your character is nothing but a fiddle playing notes you don't understand by hands you cannot see. In Elden Ring, you are the fiddle player and you have the sheet music.

[@GrieveIV]

Tbh I think I would’ve liked a story that’s a tad less vague, but eh, I can head canon some threads together. If I want a clear story I’ll just go through Sekiro again.

[@Breakingbad33]

Plus games can have open mysteries.

[@TheSergio1021]

I always did prefer a vague ending to a great story, open to interpretation.

[@awsomesaucekirby]

The great runes fitting together into the elden ring reminded me of the meta arrangement of greek letters from rvb

[@rabid569]

Do people just forget about D when talking about Marika and Radagon? There is already a precedence for their situation. D and his brother have two separate body's and are their own person, but have one soul shared between them. D's item descriptions even talk about how the Golden Order accepted them even with their supposed deviance. Because of course it would, Marika and Radagon are the same way. Brother and sister, two body's and personalities, one soul. And after Marika shatters the Elden Ring she and Radagon are forced into a single body by the Elden Beast as part of her punishment. Honestly the Elden Beast probably was hoping that Radagon would just take full control over the body considering how devoted he was to the Golden Order.

[@31Moth13]

I don't agree with the "fused together as punishment" theory. If you go back to the very first trailer ever released for Elden Ring with the content of the final game, you can see Marika and Radagon repeatedly switching between personas as they try to break/fix the Elden Ring. Personally I believe they were always one body because of that one mask description that goes: "the servants were absolutely not allowed to talk about what was going on with Rennala and Radagon's marriage"

[@PregnantAdamSandler]

@@31Moth13 I feel like it should be noted that Liurnia was always described as somewhat cut-throat with there even being tensions and eventual civil war between the academy and the royal family. It's not necessarily odd that Radagon would take this step considering that the union itself is between Rennala, an incredibly important figure to both the Caria royals and the academy, and Radagon who is of Leyndel. It serves as a symbolic sign of secrecy as well as the basic power play of "I'm not from here but that doesn't mean you can talk shit about me."

[@Garl_Vinland]

Marika transforms into Radagon like Zeus transforms into a swan. It’s Marika’s mischief. The “punishment” the golden order imposed on her was her womb getting in paled because she fucked too much

[@JJMomoida]

Woolie: "So then X and Y..." Pat: "When you think about it, IT'S A GAME'S WORTH OF..."

[@cobra29935]

Elden ring truly is the dark souls of bloodborne

[@kattastic9999]

Yeah I definitely feel like The Lands Between are just, the lands of the Greater Will. That other lands have their own flavor of batshittery from their own ruling Outer Gods and that the ones in Elden Ring are basically playing cosmic gerrymandering

[@Broomer52]

It sounds like this world and especially The Lands Between are suffering from a little thing called “Manifest Destiny” a bunch of Gods are coming down destroying previous cultures and replacing it with their own. Like Grafting the Erd Tree to be the center of The Lands, all those previous methods of Death just out of the business, lost and confused because The Greater Wills children replaced them. By the time the game starts some people are realizing what happened and says “This shit is unfair! Look how ruined everything is by forcing all of this on this land” and some say they “we should just leave” while others say “This is messed up but it can be corrected and reworked” then theirs some who say to stay the course or to just destroy everything that way everyone is equally fucked.

[@joekewl7539]

My interpretation is that the other lands have their own issues, but the Lands Between is the biggest and craziest. Sure, the Land of Reeds is having their Sengoku period. A civil war to determine who rules the whole place. But that feels almost pedestrian compared to the Lands Between where *God Left.* Where did God go? WE DON'T KNOW! Who will rule as the divine now? GOOD QUESTION!

[@GaijinEncarmine]

Is there even anything to suggest that the Lands Between are just the game world, rather than a name for the world as a whole? Regardless, I think it makes more sense to think of the game's setting as a plane of existence or divine realm, not a reality like Earth. Think Mount Olympus and other mythological realms like Asgard or the Celtic Otherworld.

[@Broomer52]

@@GaijinEncarmine not really. Other countries outside this one all have the same naming scheme according to Lore. Like theirs a place called The Land of Reeds. That’s just fantasy Japan that’s in war under the influence of some Blood God

[@punishedbrak4255]

Sekiro takes place in Nippon, The Land of Reeds, and they're currently dealing with their own Bullshit Demi-God Shenanigans

[@chaoticgoodra]

Something I'm only catching on the rewatch is how insanely good woolie's brief patches impression is

[@TheOrangex88]

*Godfrey vs Radagon* G: You slept with my wife! R: I AM YOUR WIFE!!! G: wat? R: wut?

[@chrisdaughen5257]

Rykard: Hey stepmom, you're looking pretty hot. Marika: *Transforms* Rykard: 0_0

[@Svoorhout85]

Thats a man, baby!

[@benhramiak8781]

Can't tell if this is an eddie izzard reference haha

[@TheOrangex88]

@@benhramiak8781 it’s not I just thought of it on fly. May I ask what reference is that?

[@benhramiak8781]

@@TheOrangex88 eddie izzard, uk comedian. Did a bit bout american films being really dramatic

[@DeepestDankest]

I appreciate Woolie taking the extra time to put respect on Godfrey's name. But I think between not understanding the sword monument describing him, as Margit, killing the would-be heroes wanting to conquer Leyndell and the fact that bleed + frost fists melt healthbars, I don't think he had the chance to fully appreciate what an absolute baller Morgott was. He also missed out Morgott MAX-ACTing his sword. And of course, Godfrey himself mourning his son after presumably not seeing him since his banishment. Morgott, being a graceless omen, is finally given some peace dying in his father's arms with his omen horns gone and actually fading away into grace. And then said grace directs Godfrey to the player.

[@spengebabswagpants6768]

Light mode Steve Buscemi just chilling in the back.

[@notbulger]

Castle Elden Beast

[@TheTrueRandomGamer]

But the podcast is good.

[@iller3]

Castulrated Beast Spirit

[@SlowLearner-z3h]

I think, that the reason why Malenia (the f***in Blade of Miquella) has so many bs moves is because she is a repurposed boss from the cancelled Sekiro dlc. She was probably supposed to be Tomoe originally. Her moveset would make much more sense in Sekiro.

[@sepulcher8263]

Honestly her waterfowl reminds me of the floating passage technique Wolf can do.

[@NickHunter]

there was never any DLC planned for Sekiro. And we as Sekiro have no reason to fight Tomoe whatsoever she's not the enemy

[@jaykelley103]

​@@NickHunteryeah fr this is just some "lore" that mfers are flat out making up

[@jakesemerdjian9499]

For as confusing as some parts of Elden Ring's lore still are, it really is a lot clearer this time around than From's usual affair. Not only because of GRRM'S contribution but also From Soft's own desire to weave a more digestible story this time around. It makes me wonder if this is the template they'll want to follow from now on or more of a one off.

[@leithaziz2716]

Correct me if im wrong, but I thought this was something the Souls community liked about the series. The lack of any hand holding. The world is setup in a way where you're given just enough information to get the gist of things and enough leeway to make your own interpretations or conclusions with certain characters and events. That's what analytics tend to bring up in their DS retrospectives at least from my experience on the internet.

[@Desgaroth]

@@leithaziz2716 i always found this a dumb reason. when you want to tell a story, tell it. even when you hide it and have the people search for it, at least tell the whole story. Not giving the full picture leads to people interpreting thier own things in it. the souls community is passionate, but also toxic af, because they constantly argue about the story of the game and because they have to interpret things in it, they tend to think better of themselfes. It's like those people who interpret the hidden meanings behind some pictures like the Mona Lisa and think they are better than everyone else. The worst thing about the games is the community and i think a big part of that is that vague nature of their story telling. Sometimes i do wonder, if the game series would actually be as popular with a complete story, or if it really did need people like that to keep being relevant. I mean the mechanics and gameplay was always great. The vague story that most people didn't even notice should have not made that much of an impact on the longlivety and popularity of the game.

[@leithaziz2716]

@@Desgaroth Here's My Counter argument: Hollow Knight exists. And I can't deny the impact of getting to the Final Boss by slowly building my knowledge of history behind the kingdom the game takes place in. It also makes the 2nd playthrough very different as you have all the context. So no, I can't say this philosophy is aimless and without strengths. To answer your own question, Elden Ring has sold over 13 Million copies last I checked, so I don't think it would have made any differnece. It actually probably made DS stand out more in the time it came out.

[@Yal_Rathol]

@@leithaziz2716 the souls community is broad and diverse, so i don't pretend to speak for them all, but from what i've seen, souls players tend to fall into two camps, lore nerds and mechanics nerds. the mechanics nerds don't give a shit about the lore, they just want to dodge maliketh using gestures on a no-hit run, and more power to them. the lore nerds care about the story, but what they mostly want is the feeling of discovery and theory that comes from having the story chopped into pieces and shuffled around. they don't really care how they beat the game, they just want to read all the item descriptions and then watch 30 hours of theories on youtube. both sides don't tend to want handholding, but the lore nerds will appreciate a more cohesive story.

[@leithaziz2716]

@@Yal_Rathol Ok, thanks for sharing

[@LilAnonomus]

I wish somebody would compile all their Elden Ring talks they've had since the game came out; they've practically been every week.

[@xDXxAscending]

"The turtle pope gets out of this unharmed" People that killed him just because: *looks away whistling*

[@spase667]

I thought I had to kill him to get the bell-bearing hunter to show up…

[@Onorekian]

Killing the turtle pope is the second cardinal sin of the Golden Order.

[@Abdega]

Well one day they will be whistling in Hell

[@elmilkmann]

I will never not call Crumbling Farum Azula, Pasta Fazool

[@Detective_Bonghits]

My hypothesis is that turtle pope is gonna get it extra hard in the DLC somehow

[@PixelOverload]

27:28 it's actually quite different from the Elden Ring you know, the rings seem to be re-arranged with the four main central rings positioned as a "diamond" rather than a triangle with the fourth in the center, and it has a few more "arcs" enveloping the central ring structure that seem to merge with the roots running through it

[@joekewl7539]

I've been waiting for this for a long while.

[@BassLiberators]

I'm glad Pat finally shut Woolie down on his "Ulcerated Tree Spirits are 100% an inside joke from Miyazaki" bit by explaining that they just have a lore reason for being there.

[@jeremiah5511]

Radagon wasn't beating you with a hammer. He was forging you into a proper elden lord.

[@sirjeanpepper2492]

You got this comment from under a Radagon's theme YT comment section

[@hellaflaws]

oof. you were found out sir

[@krizalllid]

Lmao

[@jeremiah5511]

@@sirjeanpepper2492 this is true yes.

[@locke2517]

I was about to crown you comment king but you got got. Much sad 😥

[@Inkspeckle]

About the tattoo on Melina's eye, I don't think it resembles three fingers. To me they look like black feathers, which points to her connection with Destined Death (what with the Death Rite Birds and the Black Blade Kindred both being reminiscent of crows or ravens)

[@UltimaOmega777]

Horah Loux feels like a Grappler Elden Beast and Renala feels like Zoners

[@Zhall0430]

Shout outs to my favorite boss *Horahrah* Loux

[@PregnantAdamSandler]

Minor correction on what woolieg was saying. The "undead" begging agheel to burn them are not associated with Fia. Fia is associated specifically with "those who live in death" which are different from people who just can't die.

[@tennisballs1796]

The next best thing to the both of them playing elden ring. Thanks guys for making this one.

[@iller3]

looong have we awaited this day

[@Ultimaniacx4]

That would've been terrible. There's a reason Woolie didn't wanna play games with Pat anymore. Same reason Matt and Liam didn't want to. He's obnoxious and condescending. Did you forget the entire ds2 playthrough? It's nothing but "Why aren't you doing this?" "What are you doing?" "Not sure what you're going for." Peppered with laughing and mocking. Woolie was audibly miserable during that playthrough. The only time he's not obnoxious is when he's playing, and Woolie wouldn't want to just watch someone play Elden Ring.

[@steveharveyoswald6248]

@@Ultimaniacx4 "Woolie was miserable" says person who isn't Woolie, doesn't know Woolie and has never met Woolie. Maybe psychoanalyzing streamers you don't know isn't a good idea, champ.

[@Ultimaniacx4]

@@steveharveyoswald6248 You're right. It's entirely plausible that Woolie sighing, clicking his tongue, and getting unnaturally silent for long stretches of time every time Pat yelled at him, laughed at him, insulted his choices, and backseat gamed him meant that he was having a blast and really enjoyed the experience Pat was putting him through. It's also entirely possible that the last time they finished a game together and Pat said they'd find a new one to play together soon only to have Woolie awkwardly backpedal that statement and give a vague "we'll see what happens" then never play a game together again meant he really enjoyed playing games with Pat and is just chomping at the bit to do it again. What do I know? All I have is common sense.

[@theworstcatholic7247]

@@Ultimaniacx4 For someone criticizing someone else for being condescending you should use that self identified common sense and try not to be so much yourself. Another thing someone with common sense should understand is crap talking with friends. Insults, laughing at each others expense, banter exists you know. And much of that "backseating" helped Woolie along and learn how to play better at times. You talk like you've never been in a group of friends before and have walked on egg shells all your life here. Fact of the matter is you don't know them, they started making videos together for a reason originally. if he hated playing games with him SBF would of likely never started to begin with. Could that of changed? Absolutely. However there are also many other possible reasons. For example scheduling, Pat plays far differently then Woolie, look at his sessions lengths vs Wooles, they're pretty stark. What game to play is another. Finding time with three people if he wants to do the game with Reggie also is another. The fact Woolie still has this podcast with Pat means he doesn't dislike his personality and antics that much. But to answer your question, what do you know? Precious little about the subject, and common sense generally implores one to not make assumptions on ideas not well known to them. Like streamers private lives. Let alone being petty towards others when talking about it for disagreeing over said, at best, assumption.

[@Muu0934]

I still find it a bit odd that Elden Ring has only two of the endings addressing the big undead problem... and one of those endings is just taking a torch to everything.

[@PregnantAdamSandler]

I kind of assumed that returning the death rune to it's proper place was part of that

[@ryanbradleyrankin]

@@PregnantAdamSandler it is

[@Ultimaniacx4]

20:26 I can't believe I'm agreeing with Pat about something. I thought Woolie already had this obvious revelation during Vaati's vidya about death and the roots in the catacombs.

[@danily11]

The Erdtree is literally a perennial.

[@PregnantAdamSandler]

tbh I thought that Goldmask just flat out died in the process of making his specific rune and just fell off from the cliff he was doing his interpretation of the greater will when he was first in leyndell while in that pose. I don't personally think Corhyn had it in him to kill Goldmask over that

[@insertedgynamehere___969]

If you kill Coryn, Goldmask still "dies"

[@deslacooda]

That would be hilarious, this perceptive "hero" figure who pondered such larger questions, just as he finds the ludicrous answer he was waiting for, slips on a mossy rock due to him not wearing proper footwear as part of his simple ascetic lifestyle trope.

[@Inerrant1]

To answer Woolie's question about music timing. Yes, FROMsoft 100% integrates musical ques with their bosses. The best example prior to Elden Ring was with Ludwig in Bloodborne, where he is programmed to start his attack animations more often on certain beats and moments of the theme.

[@sepulcher8263]

I thought that was just for the dancer in ds3

[@chrisdaughen5257]

The great thing about From's narrative structure in these games is that the gaps hide things that weren't fully fleshed out in the world. I keep thinking whether or not the dragons, the Tree of the Crucible, and the Lord of the Storm are all part of the same faction/era. But chances are the Devs don't know either. Then there's things like Marika who you hardly learn anything about. All you know is that she's a Numen and she broke the Elden Ring and planned ahead for it. But there's nothing to indicate why she would bring down her own kingdom, even if she was bound to the Greater Will.

[@jim7644]

TBH I feel like the Radagon/Marika duality can be pretty easily understood if you thought of it as being similar to the concept of Ardhanarishvara in Hinduism, or Syzygies in Gnosticism - they CAN be their own individual entities separate from one another, but can also exist as a singular being.

[@NameIsDoc]

Yeah a lot of mythologies have things like that

[@Ketsuekisan]

Even more relevant to Woolie, there's Christianity's Holy Trinity, which makes it extra strange that he has trouble understanding it.

[@squidlump]

I subscribe to the belief that marika gave zero fucks and spent her whole reign trying to gaslight gatekeep girlboss literally everyone. I know there are people who go with “marika had no true agency and was ultimately just a puppet for the greater will” but I find that so much less interesting than “Marika had very little oversight from the greater will and thus was free to be the most manipulative and impulsive bitch ever.”

[@NameIsDoc]

Also seeing the fingers take ages to interpret the will I belive Marika was doing things of her own free will, often doing things for her own personal power and saying it was the greater wills biddingand got told on by the fingers who then made radagon from Marika. Eventually they reunited but she continued with her plan to destroy the greater wills influence

[@CrispyChaos38]

This definitely seems more believable to me than the idea that she had no freedom. She took the rune of death and basically was free to rule an empire. If anything it struck me more as her rebelling over the idea of being replaced since there were other empyreans on the table.

[@squidlump]

@@NameIsDoc assuming that Marika didn’t also have a hand in creating Radagon or that her relationship with the greater will was antagonistic/spiteful and not just disillusioned by her experiences ruling as the eternal queen.

[@plinfan6541]

Her being a puppet doesn't even make sense in the setting, considering that the Shattering was all her doing.

[@Broomer52]

I don’t find it that compelling to say she had no choice because she clearly did. Look at everything she did and tell me The Greater Will wanted her to fuck all this up and spit in its metaphorical face.

[@Baehellet]

Notable, Malenia's block doesn't actually stop damage from being dealt or from the look of it even prevent full damage from going through, its purely a movement thing that she does instead of hitstun to enable her to escape situations where you would be able to sit and wail on her for a little bit.

[@BassLiberators]

The number of times they each confuse Godfrey, Godwyn and Godrick in this one conversation lol

[@funaccount7665]

vaati's cool and all but i really wished woolie watched some other lore creators too to get some different perspectives.

[@Ketsuekisan]

Honestly, you could just replace "Woolie" with "people," and that's how I feel about most people I see "discussing" Soulsborne lore.

[@profeseurchemical]

sin and sophie of sinclaire lore, redgrave..

[@GaijinEncarmine]

He also makes some pretty confident claims in his original lore video which can be debunked in five minutes, like the Erdtree being a parasite.

[@sepulcher8263]

Smoughtown??

[@Dielawn69]

This goes for a lot of analytical video game content. People will find a creator they like and take their word as gospel.

[@kodymcbride6901]

I think there's two different sets of screwed in the Elden Ring world. Land's Between variant having the Outer Gods bad touching everything, while the outside world's version of screwed is just the usual human douchebaggery with no divine intervention.

[@Broomer52]

It sounds to me that this world and especially The Lands Between are suffering from a little thing called “Manifest Destiny” a bunch of Gods are coming down destroying previous cultures and replacing it with their own. Like Grafting the Erd Tree to be the center of The Lands, all those previous methods of Death just out of the business, lost and confused because The Greater Wills children replaced them, destroying the Dragons culture and leaving their Holy Land a shattered mess that occasionally rains it’s broken shards on the Land. By the time the game starts some people are realizing what happened and says “This shit is unfair! Look how ruined everything is by forcing all of this on this land” and some say they “we should just leave” while others say “This is messed up but it can be corrected and reworked” then theirs some who say to stay the course or to just destroy everything that way everyone is equally fucked.

[@yukiminsan]

THAT'S A *ALIEN*

[@LaVespaMortale]

I'm sad Woolie never fell for Patches trick near the watchtower by Mt. Gelmir 😮‍💨

[@HappyPotat]

It's better to understand that Marika and Radagon are a direct reference to the red king and white queen in alchemy. Typically associated as a union of general marriage it has also been interpreted as a literal "two become one" situation, with the two lovers going from separate people into one entity.

[@thehelpmeyo]

Woolie took that "One great" thing way out of context

[@zombie_dinosaur96]

Woolie likes Dragonlord P. But I still think darkeater midir is cooler. And Kalamet's grab will always be my favorite grab in any souls game.

[@vincenttorrijos9680]

I think Radagon is the first time that Fromsoft has every really worked to hype up a boss fight like its a proper finale, like its a real "theme music starts playing in the climax of the fight" moment despite the fact that usually means the fight is over via plot armor and Radagon is very much not a pushover. I believe what Pat said about Sekiro vs Elden Ring in terms of design philosophy is actually the stated idea behind them. Elden ring is them trying to create a natural conclusion to the RPG side of Fromsoft rpgs, with the exploration, move expression, enemy variety, and story. Sekiro is the natural conclusion of the action side of things, a very straightforward narrative path, limited upgrade system, but a very fine tuned combat system. It's like a further dissection of the formula from what Bloodborne was doing, and that made it absolutely fantastic to play, but somewhat difficult to innovate on in any context that isn't another Sekiro.

[@TheSergio1021]

Woolie: Marika is Radagon makes no sense. Also Woolie: I know a lot about Christian concepts and talk about them sometimes. Marika and Radagon are much more easily understood when you think of the Holy Trinity and how the 3 persons of the Godhead are all God but still 3 separate persons at the same time. Marika and Radagon clearly take inspiration from that.

[@adams3627]

The difference is that at no point in the Bible do the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost come down to earth and FUCK and/or get married to different people.

[@GaijinEncarmine]

Radagon being Marika has a lot more in common with Gnostic concepts of twinned divinities - beings similar to angels - who are subordinate to a higher, conceptual god.

[@Ultimaniacx4]

The difference is that the father, son, and holy spirit are all titles while Marika and Radagon are names of people that you're told interacted with one another. People who were there at the time like Rennala act as though both were seen together.

[@UseZapCannon]

Radagon used to be an individual guy who wasn't Marika, though, or at least that's what a few item descriptions imply (Radagon having part-giant ancestry, etc.) so at some point Marika and Radagon did a Steven Universe merge

[@TheSergio1021]

@@GaijinEncarmine yeah makes sense, but I meant in that they are 2 separate persons despite being "one" I'm not talking about their servitude. Woolie completely understands that portion

[@VanoverWomack]

The Elden beast looks like the final boss of Pikmin 4

[@nowhereman6019]

*MAY CHAOS TAKE THE WORLD!*

[@User5770]

Depending on your choices a surprising number of quest NPCs can have good outcomes. Not most or a whole lot, but more than zero which is more than you expect going into a From game.

[@111cvb111]

Malenia is a cut Sekiro boss, simple as that.

[@ivangood7121]

now that anime is finished I can finaly watch it

[@deadstrawberry2120]

It's more or less even when you help people, they either go nuts or betray you or just die of their accord. You just help them and then shizz happens

[@prowlingmonkey]

On my second run through the game, ng+, I made my build and look as close as I could to simon belmont. It was quite fun.

[@adams3627]

Wow, are whips viable now?

[@prowlingmonkey]

@@sugartoothYT I have a screenshot of my equipment build if you want to look at my screenshots on steam. Same username as youtube

[@maggitPL]

"Melena or melaena refers to the dark black, tarry feces that are associated with upper gastrointestinal bleeding." Thanks wikipedia.

[@jbark678]

31:20 There's actually dialogue from Melena quoting Marika on this very topic.

[@da_jeezuss8922]

Elden Ring has the biggest variety of reused things of all time.

[@TheMrrccava]

Personally I believe the Elden Ring DLC entrance is going to be the Elden Ring with Tentacles in Malikeths room.

[@hiroprotagonest]

1:07 Elden Ring - A Hideo Kojima Game

[@iller3]

Elden Ring - a History Channel productions

[@revelstatus2346]

Directed by Hideo Kojima Written by GRRM Produced by Stanley Kubrick

[@Dragonsmana]

The R in Elden Ring stands for Ring.

[@Known_Liar]

Turtle Pope? Who? Are they talking about “Is this dog?” Pope?

[@rileyphillip6029]

On my way up Atlus Plateau I was swinging at enemies on the road with the Guts sword, saw another and charged the swing, realising last second it was Corin. Made a hard right and barely missed him, but thinking about him by the end of the game maybe I should have let it happen.

[@mr-turtle-m8118]

Ranni isloates the entire world without their consent, and allows herself to become the only being of divine power. Goldmask simply enforces ethical rules and boundaries for the gods to remove their meddling.

[@mr-laroque9604]

As a lore man who went digging into the lore. There's so many misconceptions to the game. I understood a good chunk of the game. Unfortunately my first playthrough took 80 hrs before I got a somewhat complete package.

[@musoumiko4730]

wait hold on, Woolie explaining the malenia that *I* thought. Suddenly I realize why it felt like everyone was having a much easier time killing her than I did...

[@swatkatsrule]

So, I have... one problem with all of this, and it largely boils down to this: Woolie: "I introduced Lutheranism to the world." What actually happened: Introduced Metaphysically Required Hardcore Dominion Theology to the World. Because that's what the Perfect Golden Order is. It's the Golden Order, except there are no tarnished to stop it from being a problem. There is no plan to deal with the space parasite and their pyramid scheme. There is no room for dissent or fighting fate, and the Greater Will has won permanently, because you've mended the Elden Ring. The Elden Ring IS the Elden Beast, and in doing so you've... basically put everything on a slow roll to ruin even harder than present Elden Ring. Gold Mask is cool, but his ending is a really bad outcome that Woolie has completely inverted the reading of, because Gold Mask doesn't know about the Elden Beast. He doesn't know about the space parasite, he doesn't know about any of the wacked out insanity that's going on behind the gods. Gold Mask is operating off of incomplete information, and his rune inadvertently ruins everything. His ending writes the elden beast and greater will, this horrific parasite that does awful things to the lands in between and the people in it and ruins everyone's lives, into a fundamental aspect of reality without any way to get rid of it.

[@Graysett]

Someone else who understands. I fell for it the same way Woolie did, right up until literally last 10 minutes of my playthrough where I actually sat there and thought about what all the endings I had available ACTUALLY did. Goldmask is great. He's got lots of good points in his view and understanding of the world, I'm down with Goldmask. But I'm absolutely 100% NOT down with Goldmask's final conclusion. To use a metaphor, he's doing a big math calculation, and I agree with all the numbers he's getting and moving around, but when he's done and shows me the finished proof I DESPISE the answer he came up with even though the numbers all add up. And so, the only reason I didn't go with Goldmask's ending is because at the literal last moment I realized that what it actually means is complete and utter submission to the Greater Will for EVERYONE, period, no escape, and that's not a great proposition considering the state of things back when the empire was at its peak. (I still can't believe I went from dumping on Fia all game for being a necrophiliac (and making me age years waiting for her hug animations to end) to realizing that her ending is the only ending that I felt comfortable actually implementing. What a turn around.)

[@Stareostar]

I think both your and Woolie's interpretation of whatever the Perfect Order is are valid, since it's unclear what mending the Elden Ring actually means in the end. Does it unkill the Elden Beast you just killed? Un-burn the erdtree? Blow all the ash away from Leyndell? It restores Marika, I think, and doing so injects whatever you want, be it death or the fell curse or goldmask's corrections, or just nothing (?) if you don't have any mending runes, but even if the ring being mended is a 'return to status quo' so to speak, there are still definite changes to the world from your adventure. Some of the demigods are still alive after you beat them, like Rennala, but others are questionably fucked up like Godrick and Morgott, or definitely dead like Rykard and Radahn--don't forget that you also defeated Maliketh and in doing so unbound the rune of death, so the nature of death is definitely changed. I think goldmask's perfect order tries to enforce and restore the only status quo that he, and many denizens of the world, have ever known, which has debatably good and bad aspects.

[@fellicojelisarrivera8434]

As far as I can see it, the Greater will is no more a parasite than the other outer gods. The old Crucible may or may not have been another relic of a different outer god (this is a translation topic); what matters is the Greater will won and life has adapted to the Greater Will's Laws and philosophy. If it was a different outer god, like say the scarlet rot, then life adapts to the will of the top dog outer god and life goes on. Yes, it would look horrifying, but that's because WE are greater will lifeforms - we would see the influences of the other forces as horrifying but are completely natural to the creatures they sire. Ultimately, unless DLC clarifies the situation (unlikely), the Greater Will is largely benevolent: civilization is fine and progressing, souls are reincarnated in time, etc. If there are any downsides besides the oppressed races (who likely creatures born of different god), we don't see it. Remember, the outer gods are fighting each other likely because they are natural forces, always in conflict, and Marika rebelled for personal reasons not because her boss is a Doomsday Threat or anything like that.

[@fellicojelisarrivera8434]

@@Graysett Fia's ending just means Those who live in Death are part now part of the Golden Order and the Natural Cycle of Life in the Lands Between. It still means, atleast in your interpretation, you're still under the thumb of the Greater Will- it simply has to accommodate these undead creatures. Destined Death itself was part of the Elden Ring until Marika removed it.

[@Graysett]

@@fellicojelisarrivera8434 Obviously, but if Marika rebelled once then it could be done again in the future even under Fia's ending. Dungeater's ending is dookie, Ranni's ending was too nebulous, Chaos = lul, default is default, already went over Goldmask. That leaves Fia's as the best option for "things are fixed, but also generally better for people in the setting overall and there's still room for rebellion if needed".

[@causewaybob3651]

It’s funny I’m also finally get into my second play through of Elden Ring and I decided to take a page out of woolie’s book currently running a faith build with the grafted dragon head and cipher pata really fun build would recommend

[@Dom380]

It's still wild to me how down Woolie is on Sekiro

[@iller3]

Zulie blowing his ass open on that take just a half hour ago. Perfect timing as always

[@vj7248]

I can see why it's annoying for the people that wanted Sekiro to be an RPG, so having different weapons or even more stealth mechanics. But since it's a 'linear' action game, it has the best pacing and mechanics outta all the Miyazaki games.

[@night1952]

He played it wrong after all.

[@Dragonsmana]

Miyazaki and co. very clearly stated long before Sekiro came out it wasn't an action RPG. Outside of having some similar "bones" (checkpoints, corpse run, respawns, etc) the meat and more of the underlying combat structure is a completely different thing. Like I don't get the complaint, they aren't meant to be so wholly compared. They never were lol. Its very much a Woolie (and other people who like to compare) problem.

[@mattb6616]

i didnt really like it either. it felt very dumbed down mechanically and you could breeze through the game just mashing R1 because the parry timing was so generous. also the game is extremely badly translated and the story makes basically no sense because of it.

[@HappyPotat]

What sets Elden Ring apart from the rest of the souls games is that you're not treated like some nobody. In Dark Souls, the fact that you have the potential to do the thing is pure coincidence and you are a one in a million undead nothing. In Bloodborne it's much the same as the Moon Presence is just looking for a pawn to off another Great One rival. Demon Souls you just happened to be the one of many in the Nexus who has the balls to fuck up Allant. In Elden Ring you truly are treated like something special after a certain point. Once you beat Morgott and Melina crafts the plot to burn the Erdtree you stop becoming "just another Tarnished fumbling through to the end" you become a genuine threat to the rigged game the Elden Beast crafted. The NPCs and even the bosses treat you like something of note and it culminates in the final stretch when Gideon and Godfrey commend your efforts. And on top of it all: an actual good ending.

[@TayoJD23]

>mini spoilercast >it's an hour long

[@N7killerkid]

I think ER has the most convoluted story, it's true that the other souls games don't answer many questions but their basic premise is pretty simple. Elden Rings has gods, outer gods, demigods, aliens, dynasties, various races, multiple factions, and several npcs with their own quests; also being an open world means that players can stumble upon people and places in a more random order compared to the relative linearity of other souls games.

[@takeshii]

Someone tell woolie how to get master Hugh's secret dialogue

[@k.-flynn]

My first playthrough, going everywhere and doing everything, was 130 hours. My NG+ was 20. Joseph Anderson mentioned that this game relies on discovery as content, and you absolutely feel it in the dungeons. Holy shit, those things are a timesink and mostly just copies. A lot of the bosses could've been unique, but they were copied for content (the ulcerated tree beasts are infamous). Hoping that the DLC isn't so much of an obvious slog.

[@technomorph6798]

I feel like it’s a good thing it didn’t answer all the questions. It leaves some good wiggle room for discussion and debate as well as unique interpretations that can shine a new light on something. But they answered enough that theres solid foundations for those discussions to be based on. I’m interested in what the DLC could offer, not just lore wise but gameplay too. I wonder if it’ll just be one open area with a legacy dungeon plop in it or something more.

[@sirlenemodesto2665]

Why was eji burning with black flame again? The assassins daggers have destined death not the queen's black flame

[@sepulcher8263]

Didn't the black flame from the queen's weapon come from the rune of death?

[@sirlenemodesto2665]

@@sepulcher8263 I dunno about that but still the effects of getting hit by destined death and black flame arts in the game are not the same, and since the assassins have destined death eji should not be burning with black flames. Unless I'm remembering something wrong

[@mattb6616]

potentially this is a bug that never got addressed: when any troll or giant is killed with destined death they retain the blackflame effect on their bodies. you can test this with the maliketh weapon/incant in the snowfield or stormveil or w/e. there are 3 explanations: - it's a bug and he WAS killed with destined death wielded by black flame assassins - its a lore thing and the destined death flames lose their red coloration when they don't have anything else to burn. maybe. w/e. - the godskins are seen protecting ranni's body, rykard's amnion, ranni and rykard are allies as seen with blasphemous claw. maybe he was just killed by an allied godskin. idk.

[@mattb6616]

@@sirlenemodesto2665 afaik they are actually the same particle effect, just one is a different color

[@alexanderson4497]

Ah EpicNameBro, I tried to watch his playthrough and the constant old man yells at cloud complaints were way too much for me to keep watching him. I don't know what happened to him but he became extremely jaded at everything, for someone that literally had dinner with Miyazaki and met him a few times the dude acts as though there's nothing redeemable about Elden Ring.

[@Blacklands]

Didn't the same kind of happen to PlagueOfGripes, for Elden Ring? Idk, I took some peeks into his "lore playthrough", the beginning was cool but then later on he was basically constantly complaining and shitting on the game, and then he just stopped playing it seems.

[@alexanderson4497]

@@Blacklands Yes, the same happened with Plague. I get having issues with the game and where the series has gone, but there's a difference between earnest disappointment and toxic pessimism. Both of them are extremely toxic to watch that it becomes sad to watch two dudes stuck in the past who refuse to find joy in anything that isn't what they're familiar with.

[@fernandozavaletabustos205]

Thank you for another great video!!

[@shinrahunter]

I put between 100 and 200 hours into Elden Ring and I can't tell you where they are getting all this lore shit from.

[@AGMSP]

Is it me, or has Pat been wearing the Junes shirt for a big bit of time?

[@morbidabyss12]

My question is, why make the best bosses in the game secret bosses if it’s not mandatory to beat them

[@Rixstarian]

Same reason Artorias, Kalameet & Manus aren't mandatory. If you want your content, come & find it, & earn it.

[@xyzero1682]

I'm gonna regret asking Whats The BackYard?

[@krizalllid]

Mirror world in Guilty Gear that magic comes from? Don't exactly know, Guilty Gear's story is incomprehensible. You can watch Woolie's lore videos on it but it's still a mess

[@iller3]

@@krizalllid that sounds almost as bad as kingdom hearts

[@quinno.9253]

It’s like if the Elden ring was a place instead of an object, and being there allowed you to create your own mending runes.

[@aarojpoll]

It's the smell of game

[@xyzero1682]

@@krizalllid Ahh, second guess was Get Out or maybe Reboot.

[@EsperPinion]

Does the C in CastleSuperBeast logo look like some elden ring rune? I'm tripping from lack of sleep

[@queencyrys6309]

Looks more like a Genestealer cult Wyrm

[@t0xictm201]

When will the two talk about the dlc?

[@lemonking3793]

Biggest complaint about Elden Rings plot is that a noticable percentage of major plot characters are serial rapists.

[@NobleNomad]

Eh I can only think of maybe two. Potentially Mohg and Dung Eater. Who are the others?

[@chrisdaughen5257]

Melina's mother could be Bernahl's maiden. Bernahl's set said she cast herself into the flames and Melina did say her mother was "burned and bodiless."

[@rabid569]

Melina says that she herself is burned and bodyless, not her mother.

[@chrisdaughen5257]

@@rabid569 Whoops forgot about that. When she said that I assumed her mother was also on fire. Then you can argue Marika is making maidens set themselves ablaze to make Melina.

[@ScrumChum]

Its both cool and irritating that an important story reveal is locked behind using a high level miracle in a specific area.

[@xdelta92]

So does anyone have an idea where would the DLC area happen or who would be the quest giver? There maybe two areas is either before light the flame or Ash Capital

[@BurritoInTheMist]

I feel like the Eternal Cities are easy enough to put something into, or Deeproot Depths; properly out of the way given FROM's history of things, but it's also not like we have an Amygdala that grabs you and does nothing like Bloodborne.

[@Stareostar]

If you guys want a good fromsoft lore video alternative that wasn't mentioned here, definitely check out Hankshaw and their video on the perfumers since I think it's one of the best elden ring lore videos out there

[@profeseurchemical]

didnt care for it, or his content more broadly. it was interesting revisiting darksouls when he did and it was a rarer lense, interpretations didnt sit right with me tho

[@Stareostar]

@@profeseurchemical thanks :(

[@sepulcher8263]

Hawkshaw?

[@vj7248]

The Elden Yard

[@amadhollow635]

Ho ara Horah Woolie Horah

[@theDCDanger]

i think pat is starting to bald

[@mattbell543]

I've heard it brought up a few times now, but what exactly is The Backyard that Woolie keeps bringing up?

[@wyatttingle2590]

It's a weird ass dimension from the fighting game franchise guilty gear