THE TRAGIC MURDER OF CAROL TAGGART

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Today's solved true crime case is on the murder of Carol Taggart from Fife, Scotland in 2014. After being groomed, manipulated and abused by her son Ross Taggart.
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[@sleepysmartboy6287]

I couldn't imagine a grown ass man throwing a tantrum because his mommy has to spend time with his siblings. Ross is pathetic it's so gross.

[@Rfarmer820]

My dad does when my mom doesn't spend enough time with him. He will give her the cold shoulder as well when he is trying to make his point made. He is literally the biggest baby I have ever met and I work at a daycare

[@thatdamncrow9197]

Ofc course he does Its how he was raised

[@maryamtara2934]

@@Rfarmer820 yikes

[@cicivlogs8445]

@@thatdamncrow9197 🖍🖤❤️✝️🔍💖🔍❤️

[@savanahswafford9027]

Right!

[@beanybean000]

carol created a monster. it's terrible what happened to her but I honestly feel most bad for the daughter. She lost her brother and mother emotionally and then physically.

[@averysspookshowspectacular6205]

Same. I was surprised that Lorraine was still seeing her after she got out of that house.

[@blueboozle774]

@@averysspookshowspectacular6205 I’m surprised you just got ratioed

[@averysspookshowspectacular6205]

@@blueboozle774 Really dude? Whatever you got to do to get your kicks I guess.

[@darkadalia]

Exactly my thoughts, too.

[@lauren9004]

THANK YOU!!!!! I’m glad someone said this. Lorraine is HANDS DOWN the most sympathetic out of them all.

[@iwantabloomingonion]

carol didn’t sound like the great mother she’s praised to be. i know she is a victim, but she created this monster and was warned when doing so. she played high school mean girl with her own daughter and coddled her son even if it destroyed everyone else. selfishness and ignorance

[@JogurtowyPotworek]

That is very true

[@sophianeira1979]

very true

[@mennoknight78]

My thoughts exactly. Eleanor makes it seem like she was this happy, bubbly woman who wanted the best for everyone. Almost saintlike. Next thing you know it, she's bullying her own daughter and scheming with her psycho son. It doesn't add up.

[@crystal12345ization]

Carol you we not stable she was also dealing with mental health issues that has a big impact she felt helpless I think if she wasn’t suffering herself from mental issues things would look very different

[@valenciawilson1414]

Exactly she should have beat his ass talkm bout she didn't realize how bad he was bihh whaaaa naw she was n denial

[@GretchenV95]

Her son didn't need coddling. He needed therapy... that being said, my heart breaks for Lorraine.

[@webindefr]

did he already knew he had a problem ? You need this to go to therapy, have it being effective.

[@Lolzadoodle8484]

@@webindefr I think they meant as a child, he needed to be given appropriate support from a therapist to work through his grief

[@alienordedieu5455]

and shawn :(

[@phylk4683]

Your absolutely right @gretchen - he had issues growing up that weren’t solved as normal people would growing up and having an over protective parent didn’t help. Yes poor Lorraine too she was trying to do her best.

[@Office_chair]

Exactly That's what I basically just said in my comment. That he didn't seem to be getting better that she should have got him mental help and proper help instead of sheltering and coddling him for years and into adulthood.

[@jessicawilliams3849]

Why are people calling this story complicated? Carol didn’t discipline Ross so he grew up into a man without a conscience and manipulated the person who was the closest and easiest to him. Very unfortunate but I feel the worst for Lorraine and Sean because they tried.

[@kouros158]

Let's be honest; to blame Carol is to say it's her fault she was murdered by her son. No one in Carol's position deserves to be murdered, but the way she raised her son... She created a monster. It's the truth. I feel bad for saying that, but it's the truth.

[@moigjoid260]

@@kouros158 I agree. I don't want to shame someone who's been murdered, but she really made him into what he became ☹

[@sora1498]

@@kouros158 its not like she INTENDED to raise him to kill her, to blame her is to say she WANTED to be murdered and thats sick

[@kouros158]

@@sora1498 I didn't blame her. I said people don't want to blame her because people like you will say we believe she's the cause of her death. She raised a monster. That doesn't mean she's responsible for her death. All I'm saying is she failed parenting him.

[@JennifuhhGilardi]

@@sora1498 I mean but regardless she had to know she was enabling her sons behavior. Of course she didn’t expect to be murdered, but I’m sure the point is that she was responsible for raising a stable young man and she chose not to.

[@hali_55]

Carol comes across as the kind of parent who pretends their kid is good because admitting they’re bad would mean admitting they’ve been a bad parent. Which is kinda fucked if you think about it.

[@justabitofeverything2013]

I honestly could not have said it better myself

[@Flawedace]

Exactly ! Well said.

[@Mivka_]

Big time!!!

[@jamieryan337]

I agree. I believe her PPD and mental illness led to her being an absent or possibly abusive mother early on in Ross’s life. In turn, she flipped to the complete other end of the spectrum and tried to make up for her wrongdoings by being what she thought her son wanted. This is a sad case indeed.

[@maryamtara2934]

I’m sorry she wasn’t a “good mother” especially to her ONLY daughter, she had issues BUT to stand there and watch her son brutally attack her daughter and doing literally nothing and gossiping about her with her favorite child is a trash moms behavior…

[@sierramelvin8247]

This case sounds almost like extreme emotional incest. She is very responsible for her life and relationships falling apart and how he turned out. She didn't deserve to die though

[@Coolgravy]

I'm sorry but i was at the casetify ad and thought you were saying the phone case sounds like extreme emotional incest. Had to do a double take there

[@beu7990]

@@Coolgravy i actually had to squint my eyes to see if i was reading this shit right, this comment is straight up foul 😭😭

[@beu7990]

i completely agree with this comment and yeah, death is never the answer especially not here. she needed to treat her children better and she needed a major wake up call, but it was never given to her. Her children (when i speak of her children, i am obviously not mentioning Ross. He is her biological child, but he is in no way a good son. Some people do not deserve parents and he is one of those people.) were not at fault, they never were. Her daughter was being physically fucking abused by her own brother and she saw that. She did nothing. She had the power to do something, but she did not do anything. Ross is a manipulative man-child that she created and I'm sorry, but it's true. This case is seriously so jarring, I cannot describe how disgusted I felt listening to this.

[@carterzealand5423]

I was thinking the same thing. The fact that both of them hated being away from each other for even a small amount of time seems like a big warning sign. 🤢

[@HDNoll]

My thoughts exactly

[@Kitsune54333]

Sorry if I might sound so cold, but it's Carol's fault he became a monster, a disgusting person. She turned him into THIS, her coddling, her spoiling, her protecting him from punishments, her siding with him. She fucking stood there as her daughter was getting brutally beaten up, she treated a grown ass man as a baby. I mean really she should have seen this coming but was too delusional to.

[@JennifuhhGilardi]

Agreed. And I wouldn’t say anyone ever deserves to be murdered but if he was going to be a monster at least he didn’t hurt a random innocent person. He killed the person who created the monster.

[@breathoffreshair7795]

And she was also being emotionally abused, she was taken advantage of by her own son for years because of how mentally unwell she was.

[@AmyAberrant]

Unfortunately it seems quiet common for abusive mothers to give leeway to their sons and neglect their daughters ☹️

[@AlienZizi]

@@JennifuhhGilardi could you imagine if he hurt one of the kids carol was taking care of? 😖😖

[@mauritiusmasiane499]

Fr fr, she did this.

[@caseysavage4311]

"She's was a really good mum" Proceeds to tell us terrible things she done to her kid because of the bad kid she had raised

[@jodieisnotokay]

She was literally abused

[@vicmanson9314]

@@jodieisnotokay she participated in said abuse cant feel bad for someone who avidly allowed her other children to become victims. she didnt deserve what happened but she’s responsible

[@stephsoweird]

She was a good mom until the dads death whats so hard to understand she WAS it’s past tense

[@caseysavage4311]

@@stephsoweird so she was a bad mum..

[@stephsoweird]

@@caseysavage4311 u seem to not understand She WAS a good mom UNTIL AFTER the dad death she started being a bad mom 😃

[@alchemistsshop8366]

Carol didn’t deserve what happened to her in the slightest, it’s awful, but she wasn’t a good mother. Not just what she turned Ross into, but the abuse she let her daughter face and that she even contributed to.

[@megan7506]

Definitely. This is a complicated case. She was an enabler and quite literally created a monster.

[@alicerivierre]

Yeah, she's in a better place 😇♥️ RIP Carol

[@DylanRomanov]

Her poor daughter I really hope she’s okay wherever she is. Carol didn’t deserve that but her daughter really got abused her whole life.

[@alicerivierre]

@@DylanRomanov I hope the daughter is fine too.

[@Flawedace]

I agree

[@OsamuuDazaiii]

I feel so bad for Lorraine, she didn't even feel like a part of her own family. She felt like a third wheel in her own family. No child should ever feel that way.

[@AllyxMcCabe]

I am from Fife. 3 months before this happened, my friend almost went on a date with Ross after chatting with him on an online dating site but never went through with it due to him giving off weird vibes and talking about her meeting his mum ASAP. Thank god she never went on a date with this horrible human.

[@sarahj2551]

Talk about lucky escape 😅

[@Almondmilkpt2]

THATS SO INTERSTING

[@JennifuhhGilardi]

Your friend is smart lol I can imagine the red flags popping up while talking to a “man” in his thirties that still depends on his mom

[@francinefidele8216]

I feel so bad for the other girl that went on a date with him, I would be so scared to try dating after matching with a killer

[@emmywemi]

Carol is completely responsible for how Ross has turned out. She created this extremely co-dependent relationship between them and ensured that Ross did not know right from wrong and believed that he should get whatever he wanted by any means necessary. She let him assault her daughter and exposed who knows how many young children to this monster at her day care. I'm glad she was the only victim of her awful parenting, too many innocent people are abused and murdered by these evil products of bad upbringings.

[@ellemmenn2930]

Well said… creepily codependent

[@michelleprieur1]

Agree. Vilify me all the others want. This was her fault. I honestly thought this was going to end with Eleanor saying "then he killed everyone in the family plus the neighbors".

[@alicerivierre]

@@michelleprieur1 OMG, I don't want another story like that Hillbilly from Hell case. That story f*cking pissed me off to the highest level of pissedivity!

[@miaomiaochan]

@@michelleprieur1 She should have known her son would turn out to be a killer, so she deserved to die the way she did? Okay, then. Flawless logic.

[@racheljane_]

Perfectly stated.

[@sleepysmartboy6287]

I have such a difficult time sympathizing with Carol as the Lorraine of my own home. My mom has always had a Golden Boy in her eldest (I refuse to call him my"brother") and she babied him his whole life. He was her dad's favorite and in the end her favorite. He got presents on my birthday, always reassured that my parties and moments were about him. He sexually and physically abused me and he beat my sister constantly and my mom refuses to acknowledge it. She would never stop telling me how I'm dramatic and need not to hold grudges and why am I such a bitch to him etc.. He's just her baby and it's so exhausting to be around them.

[@Witchygirl22]

I'm so sorry. 🥺 That's really terrible what you have been through. You deserved better. I hope now you have some peace and happiness.

[@renee1961]

My heart is with you. I'm very Sorry you Suffered that.💔💔🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@JennifuhhGilardi]

Im sorry that’s the family you got. I can’t stand mothers that treat their sons like their partner. It’s just sickening.

[@crybxbyella6349]

I'm so sorry

[@jupiterzombies]

i feel so sorry, gosh... i hope they both get a fat slice of humble pie..... that's no family at all. know that you don't need them, not at all. ive distanced myself from abusive family and its the best thing ive ever done.

[@andreapoulieva6717]

KIDS NEED BOUNDARIES. A good parent is a parent that sets limits, albeit lovingly, but firmly. Children will just keep pushing and pushing if those boundaries aren't set at a young age. This story is so tragic, all of it was so preventable. My heart aches for Carol.

[@emilyrasmussen5464]

Yeah. Like, I know I’m a people-pleaser and a pushover (it’s a big problem with me), so I have just accepted that I should probably never have kids.

[@JennifuhhGilardi]

Right, hearing about how he was raised reminded me so much of Casey Anthony. You can’t create a monster with no repercussions.

[@KE-hr4sb]

"Ross is ruining his mother's life." No, no. She did that herself by enabling her golden child abuser rather than set boundaries, and just watched as her husband and two other children couldn't take any more abuse (literally) and left. This one makes me so angry, good heavens.

[@merleawe_]

I feel bad for Carol, but at the same time- I do not sympathize with her at all. As someone that has experienced something similar, and seen the same thing happen to others; I feel the same way her daughter does. My mother has bipolar and she and my younger sister bullied me most of my life. She gave my sister everything she wanted(and let her get away with everything) growing up, but punished me instead. And it turned my sister into a total brat. They bullied me JUST like a pair of highschoolers every chance they got(called me boring, overweight, loud and stupid- as well as mocked all my hobbies and interests. My sister even got me bullied in high school in the one year she attended with me) for my entire teen years. Although I have since forgiven them(and in recent years my sister has grown up and apologized, thankfully. So has my mother), I cannot stand parents that do things like this. I've been in depression most of my life, and this type behavior had a lot to do with it. So this case really hits home. Favoriting any child in this manner, in my opinion; is a form of child abuse. No matter how well intentioned that parent is- it screws up children's lives. My neighbor has a 26 year old daughter(slightly younger than me) that she has allowed to do whatever she wanted her entire life. This daughter has no job and never finished highschool(Because someone in her life died and her mom pulled her out of school), AND STILL CANT EVEN LEAVE THE HOUSE BY HERSELF- and now shes COMPLETELY dependent on her parents. They even pick her FRIENDS for her. I don't know how shes going to live when her parents are gone. She is a nervous, shy wreck and hasn't mentally aged past 16. And In my area alone, I've met and heard of 20-30 other parents just like this. It's more common than people know and this is something that really needs more awareness. There should be consequences and fines for this type of parenting- its just as bad as neglect. It's killing children with kindness. Carols daughter was right to leave. No matter what anyone says to try and justify it- Carol did not love her Daughter(or the rest of the family) anywhere close to how she loved her son. She didn't love her like a parent should. And thats why she just stood there and let her son beat her daughter. She simply loved her son far more, and thought he had the right to lash out and hurt her daughter because he was a miserable person and he was the favorite. There really is no excuse for what she did. And because she did that, she ended up dying by his hand. While she didn't deserve to die, her murder by his hand was direct consequence of her actions. And worse? She willed and left her entire estate to her son too- like... How horrible could she be? She literally didn't care about anyone who wasn't her son. So no wonder her entire family cut her from their lives.

[@evamery9056]

i am so sorry for what u have been through!

[@merleawe_]

@@evamery9056 It is what it is. Both my mother and sister have since gone through huge life changes that made them realize what they did is wrong. Better late than never.

[@averysspookshowspectacular6205]

I agree. I'm usually much more sympathetic, but while nothing is worth being murdered for, Carol was not a good mother to any of her children, Ross included, and absolutely an abuser of Lorraine. Emotional abuse, and worse for just standing there while Ross was beating on her.

[@monicaconnor4971]

I'm sorry you had to go through that. And I couldn't agree more with you. I had similar experience, probably not that harsh tho and not worth telling the story but I feel you and want to tell you that you are amazing for making it through and being able to stick with them and forgive them.

[@merleawe_]

@@monicaconnor4971 My mother had Bipolar and a family that did exactly the same thing to her, my sister was a product of that generational bad parenting. For my mother, it was both illness and her parents bad parenting that made her act like that. And with my sister, it was my mothers fault. It wasn't hard to forgive them because I knew my mothers family was made up of really selfish and horrible people(she is ironically the most honest and sincere out of all of them). Because despite what I said, when my mother isnt in the midlist of a bipolar episode; she is a very good person. But that doesn't mean that bullying me because of her problems was ok. However she admits that now- because her sisters ended up bullying her out of the family when their mother died(and no, it wasn't my mothers fault). So she experienced first hand how I was treated, and realized it was messed up that she did that to me. My sister is actually the one without an excuse, because we were raised by the same people. But recently my sister had a kid out of wedlock, with a man that DOES NOT LOVE HER , and this man was also someone that was raised by a parent just like Carol. He and his sister were beating up kids in school and his mother would go to the school and say he did no such thing. He never does any wrong in his mothers eye. When in reality he's a deadbeat dad, an alcoholic, a former drug dealer and an emotional abuser. Because my sister had her baby, she suddenly gained like- the knowledge of a sage. She admitted this year that everything she did in her past was lashing out, and she was manipulative because our family situation wasn't good(my parents always fought because of my moms bipolar). When she said that I was shellshocked. Like I never in a million years would've thought my sister would admit ANYTHING like that. Having a baby completely turned her around. But my sister is now paying for her mistakes currently- Her boyfriend prevented her from getting education or a job- so shes stuck relying on him when hes never home with a 2 year old baby. So I feel more bad for her right now than angry. She's prettymuch paid for what she did with her current lifes situation. My mother has also been working over the last few years to change her ways and how she reacts to certain situations so as to not repeat the past. So I can't really stay furious at them when they've made an honest effort to change. At their core, they were never bad people. Just ignorant and broken.

[@angelabordack]

I hate to say this and I’m trying to be respectful. She, Carol, did a lot of things wrong. I’m not victim blaming, it’s just my perception of the situation. She did not deserve what happened to her whatsoever.

[@alicerivierre]

@@manda4279 girl, come on, knock it off!

[@alicerivierre]

Yeah, she ought to have some backbone & courage to stand up to her son's manipulation. This is as bad as Daniel Bartlam's treatment towards Jackie. I don't know which case is worse, to be honest.

[@Hiphilmahooters]

She definitely made a lot of bad choices that led to the boundless actions of her son. Not really victim blaming when you have a recorded history of such choices being made.

[@ashleylinville1090]

@@manda4279 bro stop

[@michelleprieur1]

I'd say she absolutely deserved what happened to her. Come at me all you want. As ye sow, so shall ye reap. She put everyone she should love in danger, including the innocent children in her care.

[@Lovecrunch30]

This is a great example of how NOT to be a parent. Sickening. My heart goes out to the oldest brother, the sister and the step father for the abuse and hell they went through.

[@jturtle5318]

I want to know why stepdad didn't at least take Lorraine with him. Maybe the judge said no? He better have have tried to save her.

[@darkness1782]

@@jturtle5318 i think they had shared custody since loraine visited stayed at her dads place from time to time. It's can be very difficult to get the custody of a child especially when it's the father.

[@asiapitt4188]

The fact Carol started the home daycare because because her children were growing too fast makes me think Ross gave her exactly what she wanted. A grown baby, and thats why she coddled him because he’s the one that never left her when in actuality everyone left because of him. Super sad it came back around to bite her in the butt 😔

[@steffithintherye4918]

She was basically in a controlling, abusive relationship with her son. I think it's worth putting out there that not all abuse has to be between a couple. It can be between parent and child. Sibling and sibling, or any combination of family. It can be with friends. It can even be religious. That's how people end up in cults. So just because you're not dating or married to the person doesn't mean you're not being abused. Just wanna throw that out there.

[@Flawedace]

Well Said.

[@quanzy121]

Absolutely It sounded like that to me too

[@amber-xh4gv]

oh yes, i've had plenty of abusive friendships that have caused a lot of issues for me now. :/. wish more people realized this

[@kmarine8852]

At the same time Ross was a CHILD when this started, as a parent it is your responsibility to teach your children their morality and values - Carol literally encouraged Ross to manipulate, lie, and get away with it. So while it was an awful relationship - there is a clear reason it turned that way and its largely due to bad parenting

[@sarahj2551]

Very well said. Also something that needs to be said more.

[@ashleydailey7844]

Carols “parenting” aggravated the crap out of me. It is all her fault that her son I turned out horrible

[@Error_-ct2vp]

Glad you agree

[@rachelchenoweth5748]

Even if he was raised a spoiled brat does not mean she deserved to die... Also no one knows what it is like to have an abusive child... Sometimes the child is abusing the parent!!!! It is hard to tell when you have a large teen Son who's abusive.... It really is something that people don't talk about... There is no place to go for help....

[@Error_-ct2vp]

@@rachelchenoweth5748 it’s partially her fault as well

[@JennifuhhGilardi]

@@rachelchenoweth5748 no one said she deserved to die? But there’s plenty you can do, actually trying to be a good parent is a start and if you’re scared of your grown son you call the police and remove him from your household.

[@lia6332]

@@rachelchenoweth5748 She doesn’t deserve to die not even the worst person in the world deserves to die all she had to do was change her ways and learn parenting

[@carterzealand5423]

Carol knowingly allowed the children she cared for to be inside of a house with an abusive man… sickening. This case sounds like the consequences of one’s actions.

[@kailanimarcelo268]

my thoughts exactly. so so so many young children in the house with this grown violent man

[@Penguinstudios123]

Let’s not blame the victim of a murder case 😅 She didn’t help, but it wasn’t her fault she got murdered

[@KoboldPip]

@@Penguinstudios123 Being a victim doesn't make you immune from blame.. She IS at fault.. if she'd of not enabled and even encouraged this behaviour this could of been avoided .. she let her family get torn apart for this guy .. she was a shitty woman who stood as her son beat her daughter and did and said nothing .. Victim my arse.

[@Rossstewart88]

This murderer was at my wedding, and I bumped into him at a nightclub either that night or the night before. He seemed like such a lovely guy, still blows my mind when I hear this story

[@Natalia-sm8of]

I feel like carol was a good mother initially, but she just let that monster grow & grow. I feel like she genuinely didn’t understand what to do with him, & that makes me really sad. But the poor daughter, she deserved so much better.

[@Flawedace]

So True ...

[@a-a-a-g-h]

A good mother doesn't stand there as your favourite kid beats the other. I'm sure if it was the other way around she wouldn't have just stood there.

[@a-a-a-g-h]

@Niphyra tbh, if I saw my mum just standing there as I'm being attacked knowing my brother is her favourite would traumatise me. Poor girl probably thought she didn't care :( some women shouldn't have children.

[@ticketyboo2456]

Natalia Carol was a monster too.

[@DelbelOfTheVoid]

@@a-a-a-g-ha good mother doesn’t have a favorite child.

[@dekusagi16]

I don't think I've ever heard a case that has gotten me so angry like this one has. While everyone does grieve differently and in different stages (which why didn't neither of those boys get therapy??) her first sign to help her son move on and deal with his father's death SOONER would've been as soon as she realize that the oldest son changed his ways. Meaning if he wanted to change, he would but he didn't want to so he didn't. I feel so bad for Lorraine not getting any of her mother's love or attention as soon as these boys started acting up, but glad she got out of that household as soon as she did.

[@ronbibby2641]

Therapy ain't easy to get

[@aocroissier]

Same here! Agree 100%

[@muffygraves6107]

I think the whole family should have had therapy, even though it wasn't Lorraines father or anything it could've given her some tools to help her understand and deal appropriately with her brothers or just understand what they were dealing with

[@missd1339]

Therapy is not a culture in Scotland, and males seeking help has been stigmatised for generations here. Very much a "get over it or get a foot up the arse" attitude in some families. It's really sad.

[@annakis2795]

it was in the '80s and therapy was not as prevalent and basic thing as today.. (and sadly it' not basic enough even today)

[@Twinklewinkle3]

my heart broke when i heard the part about lorraine getting beat up by ross. how can a mother sit there and watch that? in no way did carol deserve what happened to her, but she is NOT a good mother. absolutely heartbreaking for lorraine

[@anxietyandie]

as a psych student, this case is insane. Carol started off as a good mother but she let him grow into an absolute monster. He's got the classic hallmarks of a narcissist and he only saw his relationships as transactional. Especially with Carol. Carol's heart was on the right place but her actions still had horrible consequences.

[@traci3868]

If I were Lorraine, Carol wouldn't have had to have conflicted feelings about whether or not to keep meeting up with me because I would've never spoken to her again once I moved out after that incident with Ross beating the shit out of her and Carol just standing there watching. Earlier, it was mentioned that something made Carol feel like a bad mother; well, she was. She was a terrible mother. A horrible, awful mother. But, that doesn't mean she deserved to die, but that's what she was regardless of why she was doing it or what she was trying to accomplish with it.

[@viatheanimator]

yeah, i was surprised when eleanor said she was still meeting up with her mom??? i understand familial connections can really have a grip on people, but if i were her i don't think i could ever look at my mom again without remembering the look on her face as she just watched me be beaten half to death.

[@sarahoc99]

That’s easy to say when it isn’t your life.

[@traci3868]

@@sarahoc99 No, bullshit. She was a horrible, awful, rotten mother. It doesn't matter why she was that way or what she was trying to accomplish. She was an awful mother. That's reality. She didn't deserve what happened to her, though.

[@Flawedace]

Exactly!

[@a-a-a-g-h]

@@sarahoc99 her and her son deserved each other with their creepy boderline incestuous relationship lol. her poor husband and other kids stuck in the middle just because she wanted to make HIM happy. all she cared about was him. I'd have washed my hands with her way before that.

[@emd-rx6tj]

Letting your kids treat you like a doormat because their parent has passed is crazy. She should of stepped up and told them what was wrong and right while dealing with grief. Carol created a monster. Ross should of been committed the moment he wouldn't break his own habits for the sake of reality. I feel bad for the stepfather and the other two siblings they lost carol long before she was murdered.

[@HopesNdreams94]

Seriously, my mom died when I was 9 and there’s no way my dad would have EVER let me pull any of this.

[@Me-do5tm]

Yeah Its a common mistake, I used to babysit these kids who had lost their mom and they had learned to behave awful, I was one of the only babysitters who disciplined them and they still grew to love me it didn't make them worse so I definitely learned if I have kids not to do that

[@M1985-]

Should HAVE. Of does not exist.

[@kirstywhyte3496]

This is very close to home for me. I actually spoke with Carol about putting my daughter into her childcare business in 2014 but in the end chose another simply because of logistics. She was really so nice :(

[@kirstywhyte3496]

But I only ever dealt with her from the business point of view

[@sarasaleh2744]

Eleanor, these last couple of months i have seen a huge change in you. you seem so much happier, radiant and carefree and you seem to be doing really well. i have been watching you for years, since the earliest days of your channel, and my heart swells seeing this positive change, since i also know you have struggled. i love being on this journey with you, even though you dont know me. you have been such a big part of my daily routine. youre the best 💕🌹

[@LiLiLit]

Im confused at how she was so caught in the middle about not seeing her daughter, but wasn't torn when her daughter was getting beaten by her son.

[@lexaes11]

carol was not a good mom, rest in peace to her but she created a terrible environment for her kids :/

[@Tracydot3]

How was she a good mom? She let her other kids get abused and she turned her son into a sociopath. That's horrible parenting.

[@AMMA83]

@@Tracydot3 the OP said she's *not* a good mum.

[@AMMA83]

@@Hakwbebsu26 You may not have heard at the start of the video but Eleanor said he wanted to remain anonymous which is why she hasn't named him and doesn't mention him much at so we may never know unless he shares his own story. Personally I'd say it's likely Ross would have responded badly to his older brother trying to stop him acting if he did, and at any rate it was not the older brother's responsibility. I mean generally, if you have a sibling who is raised in a fairly disciplined home, it's a bit easier for an older sibling to chip in slightly and help here and there with keeping them in line. However, if they live in a home with no rules applied to them and chaos reigns, anyone coming in to try and impose discipline to a child who has been allowed to do what he wants and not face any consequences would face a severe backlash. The child - in this case Ross - would be thinking if my mum doesn't tell me not to do x, y and z - who are you? And that's kind of understandable. The root cause of all this was his mum's terrible parenting. And while it is interesting to mull over we need to remember these are real people who have had a difficult childhood and now have lost their mum -posing the question 'what did the other kids do to stop him' can generate the kind of discussion which increases feelings of guilt in the other two siblings.

[@carollara5047]

I feel like it was Carol's own karma for doing what she did to the rest of her family. She created that monster, while shunning Sean and her other kids. I have no empathy for this situation, except for her daughter, other son and Sean.

[@londynhlangulela9173]

I feel the same

[@Katiethewizard]

god, Ross reminds me SO MUCH of my brother. I'm 23 and he's 33, he still lives with my parents which wouldn't be a problem if he wasn't such a jerk. He calls our mom "woman" and wouldn't even move his gross broken down recliner so we could put up a christmas tree this year. She still washes his dishes, clothes, and cleans his room when it gets too covered in garbage. You can't have a conversation with him without him yelling, and it's so disappointing to grow up and see an older sibling just get more and more pathetic each passing day. Thank god I don't live there anymore, idk how my parents put up with him.

[@FancyPlants110]

My son’s father just passed away a couple months ago and it’s been an absolute struggle handling all of this emotionally. Hearing this case actually helped me in a way because I can see what not to do and not to parent out of guilt. I actually appreciate that you posted this video. I do feel so sorry for Carol because it is a horrible position to be in as a mother, and there is a sort of helplessness that takes over at times. If anything her story can teach others, like myself, about the dangers of parenting out of guilt. Thank you!

[@dahabizizy]

r.i.p we will all leave on this earth dont change n move on with ur live and son i hope u the best can't imagine wht's like to loose someone close or partner parent

[@hellformichelle]

My father died when I was a child. From my experience, the best thing you can do for your son is to make sure he knows that he can talk to you and also make sure he knows that therapy will always be provided to him if he needs it. My family has not once mentioned my dead father in 15 years, and I never felt like I could talk to anyone, and that really messed me up, so I highly encourage you to create a safe space for him to talk, whatever that entails for your family.

[@a_2502]

What a complicated situation. The growing mother/son relationships I’ve been hearing lately is honestly so concerning and weird. Mothers babying their sons (even daughters too but specifically talking about sons) can create a person just like Ross. Entitled, egotistical, narcissistic, manipulative, abusive, etc. Or vice versa and the Mom is crazy. They think they can do anything. This is incredibly dangerous. It’s like they’re in a marriage themselves. So weird to think about it this way but it makes a lot of sense. Just too many stories like this.

[@heathers432]

It is so common and these mothers act like it is a good thing that they regard their sons almost more like a romantic partner than a son. It is super creepy to me. My mother and younger brother had this same dynamic. I felt like the third wheel with them and they acted like an old married couple. I can’t understand treating your child as your equal and thinking no problem will come from this.

[@Maddie-xm8jz]

ive heard so many stories about it too. it’s complete emotional incest, where the parent relies on/treats their child as they would with a partner. it’s horrible, because most people don’t even realise it’s happening to them until they’re out of the situation :/

[@dakotarain7745]

“Carol felt like she wasn’t being a good mother.” Yeah, cause she is a shit of a mother to her only daughter, should’ve stuck her grieving sons with grief counseling or something

[@stephanienuttall5080]

What an absolute creep that man is. I hope he’s suffering in prison. I remember this case so well and I feel so sorry for carols daughter 😞

[@isabellabass5346]

I want to feel bad for Carol, but the truth of the matter is that she did all this to herself and she could’ve prevented it all.

[@sallow_slytherins]

Don't blame the victim

[@isabellabass5346]

@@sallow_slytherins I’m not, she didn’t deserve it and it makes me sad that this happened to her. But she still could have prevented it.

[@kayleighjane5020]

Glad someone else said it. But I do agree with you..

[@averyrose2262]

I felt the same way at first but she was struggling with mental illness her whole life. She could have prevented it, but when it takes all of your energy just to get out of bed, sometimes the only route you can take is the path of least resistance. Her whole family leaving her was easier than dealing with her son's rage. So sad :(

[@heathers432]

I feel exactly the same.

[@bnlatin23]

The mom was a horrible mom and created a monster that destroyed her and the entire family. Geesh - how do you let someone control everyone's lives specially a son ? I felt bad for the daughter only.

[@ajknight8640]

I was feeling for Carol until she walked in on her son beating Lorraine. She knew what she’d created and she did nothing!

[@alicerivierre]

I mean, Carol should have developed some backbone & say to Ross stop it. She wasn't exactly & totally bad - she was just hopeless, & felt hopeless. She needed some backbone to parent & discipline her children, likewise for Jackie. This is as bad as the Jackie Bartlam story.

[@michelleprieur1]

@pea She isn't responsible at all?? You are delusional. I'm not victim blaming by blaming her because she isn't the victim. She created a monster and paid the price. Period. The only good thing that happened is no one innocent was hurt.

[@FloverCleavland]

Agree

[@FloverCleavland]

@pea Okay there's a difference between victim blaming and saying she was a shitty mom. She was a shitty mom who let her whole family down. It sucks what happened to her but she wasn't abused into becoming a bad mother, she just was a bad mom.

[@Glenys8080]

I actually knew Carol and her daughter Lorraine. In the couple of years before she was horribly taken, she had actually repaired her relationship with Lorraine. My daughter was one of Lorraine’s dance students. Her mum was always making costumes for the shows and competitions, plus helping out there too supervising the younger students and making sure the correct groups were performing. My daughter had her first show in 2010 and Carol was very much appreciated by everybody especially her daughter. Carol was a registered childminder with Fife Council. Her house had a large section dedicated to her child care business. There is no way she would have been able to be a registered childminder, never mind run a child care business or be able to help out so much with her daughters dance shows if she was considered to be a risk to children. Ross was known by social workers when he was younger because of his behaviour and the council highly scrutinise ANYONE living in the house where the child care is being provided. It requires PVG disclosures and any information about Ross would have been taken seriously. Ross was definitely a controlling person and controlled Carol to his advantage. He isolated her from her family and friends and gaslighted her. Think of it like domestic abuse case. I have been a victim of such. One partner is the abuser and controls everything and the other is their victim but the victim can’t see what is going on.

[@samanthadodd8112]

My grandmother used to be this way with her baby son. He ended up being a drug addict and lived with her. They both have passed down. The whole family is toxic because of this relationship. It effects so many people.

[@ellemmenn2930]

I love how Eleanor lists triggers at the start of the video just to ensure no one gets put in a unfortunate situation… one of the few true crime channels that does. Thanks Eleanor!!

[@lavenderixi]

i can’t believe she taking Ross’s side with everything, she could have prevented him becoming a monster:/ i feel srry for the father and the daughter for everything they been through with

[@Flawedace]

Exactly.

[@niaram]

@Niphyra i was wondering why the dad didn’t take her. that baffled me. i’m guessing it had to do with custody battles. but i doubt carol was fighting to keep anyone but Ross

[@hyunjinsanity]

@@niaram it's probably because the mother normally gets the child in these situations. Also, Carol still saw Lorraine after she left, which shows she probably did still care about her

[@niaram]

@@hyunjinsanity see people say that, but there are cases where the dads win, especially when they’re the better parent. i still think there’s no harm in trying.

[@kayla5381]

This story is really hitting home. This is 100% my grandmother with my uncle and lorraine like my mom. It hurts so bad because nothing you can say will make them come to reality.

[@teemarie5478]

Eleanor, I have a really great friend that is more like family their son came up missing & has since been found dead. How would someone go about having you bring attention to their case. It’s truly a tragic situation. His name was Deion Hollier. The last place he was seen was the house he was living in with his gf. His body was within easy walking distance from the home. The gf got back together with her ex husband while Deion was missing. They lived on a dead end road. They literally had to pass his body every single time they left their home. The cops didn’t search for Deion at all. If they had they would’ve found him right away.

[@leavemealone7108]

Rip to him 🙏🏻 ❤

[@JustKrista50]

I'm trying to remain fair. Carol was suffering with depression herself and was poorly equipped to help them deal with loss. She was in fear of losing her babies. It isn't unheard of that parents will coddle their children to the point that their children cannot function in society. They NEED the parent. Carol created a monster. By making him dependent on her and "sheltering" him from punishment. Ross became "The Man" in her life. I wouldn't say that Ross took everything from her, I'd say she pushed everything but him out of her life. She was the parent and adult. That she was mad at her other children for doing what children do... they moved out and lived their lives. That she thought her children should take care of her is backwards. She created a toxic codependency in Ross.

[@itsalwaysteatime3803]

She did not deserve to be murdered but Carol was a terrible mother.! If my mother stood by as my brother beat the shit out of me I wouldn't ever speak to her again.

[@adrian100]

You get it!

[@kana7613]

They were teenagers when their dad died not quite babies

[@GoldenEm]

Can we all appreciate how much Eleanor seems to be thriving with this new path in life. She seems so much more cheerful. You go girl. Love you tons

[@laurenunderwood2324]

What do you mean?

[@louise3953]

I’m also curious what you mean by new path

[@GoldenEm]

@@louise3953 her new apartment, the move from up north down into London. Big step in life especially in the UK

[@jenglen3473]

I remember this case for a couple of reasons. I worked beside Ross at the McDonalds in Dunfermline High Street. Didn’t have any issues or weird vibes from him so was shocked when this happened. The other reason was that the week before Carol’s death I had enrolled my wee boy into her nursery type place. Her home had a specially equipped large room that was like a nursery. I paid a £70 deposit (never got it back). So needless to say I found out from the news he wasn’t going there!

[@hannahbeech97]

I love your videos Eleanor, and have done for years! I just wanted to mention that when referring to individuals who have suicidal ideation or actually go on to end their lives, it’s asked that the word ‘commit’ is no longer used as the individual is not committing a crime 😊 Phrases such as ended their life, death by suicide, made an attempt on their life are now preferred. Not a judgement at all lovely, but as I work in mental health we are encouraged to have these open conversations with people to reduce the stigma surrounding suicide💛

[@erindally5495]

A very prime example of emotional incest, extremely worrying behaviour. Rest in peace.

[@simrangarcha6792]

ikr

[@louisims5811]

The moment Eleanor said the oldest son grew out of his badness and the young one didn’t, I knew exactly what was gonna happen. Ps Eleanor you need to do a story on the tragic case of Shukri Abdi that happened in my town of Bury. She was migrant that was bullied and killed by her classmates

[@jaesiraki84]

I feel so bad for EVERYONE in this story. It's easy to sit back and judge from the outside, but life is complex and parenting is the most complex of all. It sounds as if Carol truly wanted to help and she clearly gave 100% of herself, but unfortunately her approach to dealing with things caused far more harm than good. By the time she realized things were bad, she had already created a monster and was too deep into the abuse cycle to break free. Parenting is scary. You question every choice you make. I pray that my boys grow to be accountable, responsible, healthy and compassionate men. I can't imagine the guilt she must have felt once she realized how terrible he turned out to be, but it could be any one of us in that situation. It's best to keep an open mind and open heart so that none of us are blinded to the error of our own ways and inadvertently end up creating our own monster.

[@debbiea8986]

I love your verbalisation of these cases Eleanor, being someone who has multiple family members that have passed on, you really humanise these cases and I appreciate you viralising? all of these victims cases, in a way were their persons and situations are solidified on the internet. It really highlights a "never forgotten" way to always remember these victims . At least I never forget them

[@bnlatin23]

Im just at the beginning of the story after the dad died and I already know its about to get bad when you don't nip the bad behavior in the bud. Yes, it was hard but they have to learn to deal with it like everyone else. These spoiled kids grow up to be entitled and total narcissists, then they are released into society. If he stole at home all the time with no consequences, he for sure will steal everywhere else .

[@alicerivierre]

Yeah, like predictable, but not in a bad way, if you know what I mean. Sort of like the time I heard of the Daniel & Jackie Bartlam story, when $#¡+ went down w. Jackie's death, Daniel was regarded as a "hero" for rescuing his baby bro., but left his mother b/c "it was too late to save her" or some excuse. Then one does know the $#¡+ goes deeper down the rabbit hole than ever, you'd get this feeling the kid lied & did kill his mother (spoil alert, he did). The point is - true crime stories can be predictable, but not bad predictable.

[@idek7438]

100%. It's normal for kids to act out, especially when they are going through grief. They're kids, they don't know any better. It's up to the parents to get them the support they need and correct their behaviour. Just letting them do whatever they want is neglectful, you're not doing your job as a parent if you don't raise your child to be a functioning adult.

[@myaachoom]

@@idek7438 so true. Even just the fact that you communicate well with the kids could do wonders. My brother's kids had to go through loss at a young age but since my brother and his wife could openly communicate with them, they were able to just cry it out and talk with them with absolutely no judgement. No acting out occurred.

[@michelemahon141]

When my husband passed away in 2009 while on a family camping trip w/our 5 kids, (4 girls 16, 15, 13, 9 yrs old/1 boy 7 yrs old), my middle girls and my son were inconsolable. My son was only 7, and people say they don’t really understand death…WRONG. It depends on the child. He clung to me for days, weeks, constant tears just streaming down his face and was/is petrified something would happen to me so he stays in contact every few hrs, whether he away from home or not. My youngest daughter at 9, was sad and did cry, ask for her Dad etc but it didn’t really hit her until she reached her mid-teens. While teens do rebel, she was openly defiant..to me. Sometimes for no reason and then if she thinks she’s gone too far or upset me bad enough, she falls apart and begs me not to leave her. She still has those issues. She’s married and her husband’s wonderful so he understands why she’s doing what she does (they were friends since 6th grade). She’ll even get upset if a “friend” does something hurtful, she won’t say anything to them because she’s just terrified of people leaving. She just told me that should anything happen to me, she’s not going to be ok. So, grief doesn’t always ease off with time. They may not even understand the concept of “never seeing them again”, until the time passes and the hurt builds. Our family therapist said there wasn’t much I could do to “fix” or “stop” her emotional pain. She said my daughter tests me. Trying to push me away but no matter what happens or was done, simply saying “I’m still here” was the key..and she was right. My daughter has opened up in the past 3 yrs. Kids just need to know they aren’t to blame, ESPECIALLY as they get older and begin to see how much their missing out on when a parent dies. The stealing and criminality is unacceptable but they still need to know that you’re here and you’ll always love them. You don’t have to support their actions, though. They know the difference. But, I do understand Carol’s reasoning for wanting to spare her kids feelings.

[@kana7613]

Nah he learned he could do no wrong and took advantage he wasn’t suffering for his fathers death he became spoiled and took advantage of his mother he was acting out he was abusing

[@melanindescendants4240]

After 20 minutes in, I stopped feeling sorry for her. She knew exactly what was going on and she chose to continue to let it happen. She didn’t deserve her ultimate fate but she contributed to it

[@emiliefreakinbrown1812]

I live in the next village from this caravan park. Absolutely shocked the community when we heard of this. People were shocked it was him. Still never got the real story - thanks so much Eleanor for giving this woman a voice 💜

[@rubyroselie]

The daughter is better than me cause I would’ve completely cut contact and no way would she have attended the wedding what a joke of a mother.

[@kewlkatnat]

Eleanor is literally SHINNING in this video she looks so beautiful and her hair looks so healthy

[@aonx7325]

i know!! i love that she's showing her natural glow (like no makeup)- stunning

[@bloopityboop8434]

I really enjoy listening to you tell the stories of people's lives. I think it's a really big part of why I enjoy true crime - hearing people's stories - and I think you really nail it. Thank you for telling Carol's story. ❤️

[@emelyblanco5637]

I’ve never been more angry at a victim before, Carol literally created a monster. But it’s very sad that she lost her life I feel so bad, she didn’t deserve that.

[@chrissyzcreationz]

My daughter's biological father passed away when she was 12, just before her 13th birthday. I had remarried when she was 4 & had dated my husband 2 years before we married. He basically raised her & called him Daddy. When her actual father died all hell broke loose. She pushed her step dad away. It got so bad that she accused him of molesting her when she was 14 cause he caught her sneaking out to see a 19 yr old boy I told her she couldn't see. It was a fkn mess!! Thankfully she finally admitted she made it up. It took years to repair the damage to our family. My heart goes out to those boys.

[@Ash_and_Ember00]

This sounds like a really bad case of emotional incest. Carol was a enabler for awhile.

[@Idkdude50]

Definitely. It's like she was married mentally to her son more than her 2nd husband.

[@cynicoptimist]

I can relate to Lorraine so much. My mom acted the same way with my older half-brother (he's 35, I'm 28). I finally convinced her to kick him out of her house literally only 2 months before the pandemic started. No doubt in my mind she would be dead, if I hadn't forced her to make that decision.

[@goha9218]

I can't emphasise how great Eleanor's videos are tbh it's one of the only things I look forward to nowadays since life hasn't been too great

[@joancrawford1146]

I hope life is better for you! My life hasn’t been great either. Do you know anyone who is thriving?

[@mia-qf3sf]

I know it’s been a year but I hope you’re feeling better ❤

[@princesspeach5723]

This happened so close to me. Carol's body was discovered in the caravan park where my siblings dad lives. Really shook our community.

[@annafocke208]

Just wanted to say that as a 22 year old I still live with parents and get pocket money sent to my bank account. I don't have a job yet, I'm a full time university student and I certainly don't take it for granted. Some might think it's embarrassing, and I did too, but then I realized I'm just reallylucky that my parents support me and my siblings like this. It is just extra money that I use to buy necessities like dog food and bus tickets. They will also stop giving me that as soon as I find a job of course, but I can't find a full time or even part time one when I'm at school all day and working on assignments in my free time. So that's just my addition and opinion. But it's true that since Ross wasn't even studying, there is no reason for his mother to be supporting him financially. That is embarrassing, yeah. He's just lazy and spoiled.

[@kristinasymons]

To me, that’s completely understandable. My daughter is turning 18 and is about to start college. I told her as long as she is in school, she obviously can continue to stay with me, rent free, I will provide everything she needs, with or without her getting a job, as long as she is focused on her studies. However, she does know that if she were to quit school, she is not welcome to just sit home and be a layabout whilst I provide everything for her. I think it’s a great gift parents can give their children if they are in a position to do so. 💛

[@k8lyndontsurf673]

@@kristinasymons absolutely. I’m 18, and currently not in education purely because I couldn’t cope with another year of online school. I should be going back again in September, but while I’m working full time I pay a house keep every week to my dad. He doesn’t even ask for much, but I’m doing quite well financially for my age so I don’t mind throwing him some extra money for diesel, or buying like milk for the house. I don’t understand people who would be so upset about it, it’s the least you can do for your parents to help a bit, and it certainly doesn’t cost as much as rent 🤷‍♀️ my dad doesn’t even use it towards the house, he’s saving it to go on holiday and I think that’s fine too.

[@REChronic54]

Also if you live at home and are unable to get a job for reasons, fucking help around the house. Clean, cook, tidy-up, just do whatever to help out. I’ve also heard of emotionally neglectful/narcissistic parents who just throws money to their kids and think that solves everything. I’ve heard of so many young adults who are socially anxious, depressed, or are on the autism spectrum who still live at home because their parents never cared about improving their mental health or teaching them life skills. They are stuck being dependent on their parents.

[@clare1971]

This case was new to me so thank you as usual for your kindness and compassion

[@rotinhell6669]

This story truly hit home for me knowing so many mothers who so giving and loving to their son, and their son in return gives no respect and treats them like dogshit. In no way do I condone Carol’s actions, especially the treatment of her own family. However, I don’t know why this dynamic is so common, it’s depressing. My sister is in a relationship with this type of man right now, and after a year he already has started treating her like his mother. My mom and I have been trying to get her to move out, even back with us. My sister is intelligent but struggles with adhd and depression, and he doesn’t allow her to have a job, to control her financially. Sometimes I worry it will escalate to a worst case scenario. Thank you Eleanor, for another fantastic video as always. You are my favorite true crime KZbinr, as you handle each case with utmost respect. 🖤🖤

[@prettysilent7649]

I can not bring myself to feel sympathy for Carol,she allowed all of this to happen by deciding to not raise her kids right. She showed blatent favouritism by basically doing everything for her son and letting him get away with everything and let her daughter suffer.

[@Jenna-qs7nw]

You tell every story like it's the first and only one you have ever told. The amount of empathy and enthusiasm you have for every single victim and their life and death stories is amazing. It's like you personally knew every victim and that their story is the most important one you will ever tell. It's amazing!

[@redcloverz]

@@manda4279 I know this is a bot but the “young girls part”??? Mmmm wtf

[@tnsmom]

Carol was responsible for how Ross turned out. The fact that she sided with him in everything. To be honest, I’m surprised Shaun lasted as long as he did. Lorraine had the patience of a saint, how she didn’t lose her **** . I’m glad she got out when she did. I know it was awful what happened to Carol but to be fair, she brought it all on herself. She created the monster and therefore had to face the consequences.

[@joshdykstra142]

This the only channel where I don’t skip the ad in the beginning!

[@meggielouwhooooo]

I needed this so bad today. Bless you, Eleanor.

[@illeannnnnnnaaaaa9360]

I feel as tho carol knew what he was like, but chose to deny it due to the fact she knew her other kids were already becoming more mature, so she decided to keep babying him because, like mentioned in the video, she had a fear of her kids growing up. Sad that it had to end like it did.

[@diaryofarealmom3264]

Exactly. You nailed it. She was losing the other 2 (in her mind, she is unhealthy) and so focused her attention on the one she could still baby.

[@cazzadawgx]

He sat on the train beside me and my family after he killed his mum, shouted at my baby brother for kicking him and his case came out the next week, crazy.

[@louisedurham3764]

This is literally my town, and over my whole life I’ve heard about parts of this story since it was such a huge thing, but I’ve never ever heard the whole story until now! Crazy seeing the caravan place because i spent sooo much time there as a kid swimming and it seemed the safest most chill place 😳

[@marija013]

Eleanor, could you please add part 1 to these kinds of videos? I usually prefer to watch only once all the parts are out, plus I get so confused when it's almost the end of the video but nothing yet happened. Thanksss ♥️

[@elliecarlton387]

She said at the start of the video that this would be split into two parts

[@lauramcconnell1042]

@@elliecarlton387 I think they mean Elenor writing on the tag line ‘part one’ not actually wanting it all in one video lol

[@anaislefevre7791]

Carol was my childminder when I was in primary school, And knew the family! I have been meaning to suggest this case since I have never seen anyone else cover it. Thanks girl x

[@purdy9431]

Was this Ross guy really obvious in how manipulative he was ?

[@anaislefevre7791]

Yes, it was well known around the town, and in circles of friends I knew.. but I won’t give too much away. I can’t wait for part 2! X

[@mmps18]

Oh my please do share more in the part 2 comments!

[@isabelberger9441]

Dumb American question: Is childminder like a recess or cafeteria monitor? Or more like a teacher?

[@XYZ-kb3mm]

@@isabelberger9441 professional child carers who use their homes to look after the kids. not quite teachers but not just regular old babysitters. a rudimentary understanding of child development i guess is what sets them apart from a regular sitter. plus the kid goes there regularly not as-needed like a sitter. i think they need a certification too

[@Ravenkeyana]

Bottom line: Carol had some emotional issues that she did not work through. Yes, she did suffer from depression. But she also never addressed her fear of "her babies growing up too fast". While I'm sure all mothers go through this, I think she took advantage of the fact that Ross "needed" her more than her other kids. She could still find purpose and meaning by pouring into him, despite the fact he did nothing to deserve this special treatment and it was actually harming both him and everyone around him. As a result, Ross learned how to manipulate his mother so that he never truly had to grow up. He would have someone taking care of him for a long long time. And, just like most abusers, he knew that keeping his mom isolated and ignorant was the key to keeping this carefree life where he didn't have to work for anything. While I believe he also probably had attachment issues, I'm sure he knew that Carol meeting with Lorraine would bring her closed to understanding who he truly is (hence him freaking out about it). Smh this is just so sad

[@katieelizabeth834]

This is such a frustrating case, everyone could see him changing but she couldn't and enabled him all the way. I think if Lorraine had stayed the abuse to her would have gotten a lot worse, I feel for the family.

[@BreannaC]

I was just watching one of your videos when I got a notification “Eleanor Neale posted a new video”! YAY! Can’t wait for part two! Thank you

[@taylorquick1339]

Literally same!! I’ve watched all the rest! Never clicked a video so fast hehe

[@JayGurbuxani]

Hi Eleanor! I’m not sure if you’ll see this, but thank you for keeping all of us entertained during this pandemic and thank you for your effort researching these cases and bringing light to them! You’ve inspired me so much, I just uploaded my first true crime video today! 💖 and you look amazing, as always 💖

[@alicerivierre]

Esp. w. your amazing Yorkshire accent! Luv u from America 🇺🇸♥️🇬🇧

[@alicerivierre]

@@manda4279 alright, dude, you've got to cut it out! Jesus, you're not funny providing these f*cking spams! Sorry for yelling, but it's true. Just please stop.

[@amandagurru2136]

Congrats ill sub! I'm always open to new perspective. I hope you succeed!

[@emptysekai]

@@alicerivierre i don't think u understand how the internet works

[@alicerivierre]

@@emptysekai thank you very much, now, I can gain experience from it. I'm being sarcastic. Don't insult my intelligence.

[@melissahayes7859]

so excited for the next part. such an intriguing case!!!

[@katfayegarrett3872]

Love your storytelling Elenore!🖤

[@makaylathompson330]

I feel bad for the daughter.

[@alex-fb8uz]

of course she didn't deserve to die but i can't stand the way she acted towards her own daughter

[@MacncheeseMamaa]

Theft is definitely addictive. One of my friends from high school used to lie about having extreme medical diagnoses, and also had a stealing problem. She always said the stuff she stole was something she “needed” but I think she just enjoyed the rush and guilty feeling.

[@l0l4b3rry9]

I’m from fife I’m glad to see that you’re doing cases from everywhere (: I’ve also been to that holiday home place and my friends gran lived near them it’s awful what happened though

[@medivalmelsonig8770]

It's so sad people murder others for no reason or for stupid reasons. RIP Carol

[@Mellowmarsh_rain]

it really is sad no one deserves to be murdered

[@winniethepooh8861]

@Alexandra💋 NO! BAD! We don’t do that here!!

[@morgan8274]

Absolutely the worst! I just can’t understand.

[@alicerivierre]

@Alexandra💋 yeah, dude, that's getting old.

[@3shannonRoss]

This guy sounds like an ex of mine! 25, lived at home, went from job to job, never had money, addicted to weed and would spend hundreds a week on it! Never helped his mum, owed her 7K cause she paid off his debts, stays in his attic room smoking weed all day and punching holes in the wall and she waited on him hand and foot! The boy didn’t even know how to tell when water was boiling! I got sucked into his narcissistic world of manipulation and he was a bully and excessively jealous and abusive and controlling but I luckily got away but she’s still there and she crosses my mind from time to time I hope she’s gotten rid of him but somehow I doubt it! I was with the guy when his step dad left his mum because he couldn’t handle him and his older brother hardly had anything to do with them it’s just him and his mum now! I feel so sorry for her! She told me once ‘the best thing you can do is to get away from my son’ it’s shame she won’t abandon him just because she’s his mother but he’s cruel and abusive! I’m sorry to anyone else going through or been through something similar! Solidarity always ✊🏻

[@utsxslv]

Thank you so much for telling us this was a part one at the very beginning of the video. Now I can stop the video, go find part 2, and enjoy the 3-minute recap and listen to all of the important stuff and get to the end of the video. Sweet. Thanks.

[@rachelj9006]

As someone who has seen what guilt can do to a mother, I can see carol’s side of this story. We may never understand the way she was feeling for all of those years. Still - it is insane that things got to this extent!!

[@sarafina_24]

Hearing about Lorraine being so scared when Ross was beating her up and seeing her mother come in and just stand there instead of helping was so heartbreaking. Just that she suffered in general without support. Being abused and not having anyone do anything about it, especially someone who's supposed to protect you, is such a soul-crushing experience. I know that men are not favoured in court when it comes to custody but if I were Sean I would have done everything I could to take my child out of that Hell.

[@craftykarensdiys]

Love your shirt, I'm just now starting this case with you and thank you I absolutely love watching your cases

[@LuzMaria95]

I’m so happy I found this channel, I haven’t heard this case before.

[@SimplyChido]

I’ve never been this early I’m scared

[@brooke.slade2]

Same

[@emmadeliroglou2822]

Same here

[@edenmparsons]

Same lol

[@decomposedfaerie]

sam e

[@vashikumar3681]

You’re first!