THE SEX SLAVE MURDERS PART 2

[@bettinaleah366]

I just hope Andy doesn't blame himself for what happened to his friends

[@ashleyschmitt8975]

I was thinking the same thing... seriously hope he can fully heal from this 🙏

[@finnsnow2495]

Exactly if anything he was of the most useful witnesses in a case. He took note of the lisence plate which got this case on such a fast track.

[@lalaleenax]

I know right 😢 how traumatising!

[@diaryofarealmom3264]

It’s not his fault it’s theirs. I don’t get it. Why did they go with them? Why didn’t they ask for help? I’m so confused. When Andy jumped in the car why didn’t they say “floor it Andy”! Or why didn’t they say “Andy help us fight, they are trying to kidnap us. Mary take the lady, Andy and I take the man”? I don’t get it!?! I mean she was pregnant…. They could have easily taken them.

[@avm6414]

@@diaryofarealmom3264 because they where scared and treatend with a gun?? If you were in their place you wouldnt have done that either. They where scared that their friend would get hurt or in problems, they freezed (when they got treatend) and for that couldnt do anything but just sit there scared for their life.

[@christycapers4715]

Charlene: “The judge will have to go easy on me. We didn’t just kidnap 2 people; we kidnapped 10!” 😀 Lawyers: 👁 *.* 👁

[@Definitelysylvie]

@@blepblep7245 realistically i think youd get fired but honestly agreed lol

[@mayaszczepanek865]

@@blepblep7245 then someone else would help her, lawyers don't have a choice is they agree or disagree they are told to give advice how to win a case, it's a very professional and hard job as you don't actually have your own say

[@sakurasfish2115]

I got her information is necessary for the case to close but it's such bs that criminals get lighter sentences for that...it turns from confession to 'help police' solve the case...but it's help finding the people you killed ffs you're not 'helping' but rather the least you can do lol She lured underage girls promising them weed for a man to rape them wtf is that?? She deserved to die suffering or at least life in prison...not that that helps anyone but still...

[@victoriapeay3019]

And this woman was said to have a 160 IQ… 😐😐

[@rtphotos4691]

@@victoriapeay3019 - that isn't surprising. A LOT or warped people are extremely intelligent. Dumb criminals tend to be petty criminals. The ones who do the complicated crimes are usually extremely intelligent. One's intelligence does not immunise one from being manipulated. Ted Bundy, Jeffrey Dahmer, Harold Shipman, the Zodiac Killer, the list goes on and on. There is also an old saying, "there's a fine line between genius and insanity."

[@lovingbtsforever8195]

Craig not begging for his own life, but instead begging for his girlfriend's just shows how selfless and that he truly loved Mary. I'm glad that they are both lying to rest next to each other so they'll never be apart from each other again. Rest in peace to all the victims.

[@addyhernandez6879]

Yes omg this made me cryyyy😭😭 My heart just sank when he begged for Mary to live

[@leah5903]

It never fails to amuse me where you can find a kpop fan ✌🏻😭

[@lovingbtsforever8195]

@@leah5903 ✌️💜

[@carmenconner6839]

Why she don't go to the police, the first time, she will safe all the woman and her self, ,, 16 year no no

[@tantanmustdie]

@@carmenconner6839 easy to say when you know what's gonna happen

[@azzeata4166]

its so sick that Charlene thinks that she can put herself into the same category as all those girls who were assaulted and murdered, when she had the convenience to just sit back and watch it happen

[@idek7438]

It is insulting. She's not a victim. She gets to live her life under a different name and have a family when those girls did not get to, because SHE lured them to her boyfriend and watched them die. This woman makes me sick

[@katieelizabeth834]

Absolutely agree. She had a choice, they didn't. She lured them in knowing what he would do to them.

[@jonnalarsson3614]

Don't you mean TAKE A FRIGGIN NAP IN THE OTHER ROOM

[@salemahaboumorad6007]

You written it perfectly

[@l1a.hp833]

Exactly!! I don't know how she thought she was a victim of anything but that she put herself in the same category as those girls who were raped and killed is honestly disgusting and she doesn't deserve to have a good life out or in prison

[@hanihijazi1744]

As a grown male adult, I'm uncomfortably worried knowing Charlene lives in this world with us.

[@moxiemaxie3543]

Wtf does that mean? Did you grow up sheltered? There's much more people and systems worse than Charlene and it's in abundance

[@hanihijazi1744]

@@moxiemaxie3543 You're a feminist aren't you? A grown male adult implying I've seen/read a lot unfiltered. Why focus on the worse things out there, when there are also far better things out there too like morality and ethics (in abundance). Charlene is sickening and malicious, and if you're comfortable having your kids around her because she's not "bad enough", goodluck to you.

[@evy5076]

@@hanihijazi1744 I’m not agreeing with the other person but feminism has absolutely nothing to do with this. You’re gender shouldn’t even have been brought up when we’re talking about a dangerous woman still on the loose, it has zero correlation you’ve managed to take light away from this topic to start a problem from thin air. I’ve seen and heard of disgusting disturbing things on the internet as well, things like that are not gender exclusive, don’t feel so mighty and tough #machoman.

[@hanihijazi1744]

@@blepblep7245 That is correct! And about the feminist aspect, if a woman approaches with "wtf does that mean?" to my comment, that is an aggressive undertone caused by my gender expression because she read too much into it and felt a sense of discrimination/inferiority. In turn, labeling me as sheltered despite explicitly saying "as a grown male adult" is not something you say to a man to drop his stance, while miraculously also defending a vile creature that SOMEHOW happens to be a woman; doesn't take much to see gender bias.

[@dangerwithluv7966]

honestly!!! im uncomfortable that there could be so many people like her that we've never heard of :/

[@Sand444139160]

this boils my blood. she’s being cooperative because her child was on the line but what about the rest of the children she lured to their death? what about their parents? she took those children away from them.

[@Daaaanielle]

This was a spoilt, rich brat. She did not care about anyone but herself because there was never anyone more important. Daddy raised the most selfish human.

[@emmyjacqueline]

not to mention the fact she didnt care about her child enough to stop drinking when she was pregnant with him or get out of this abusive relationship I doubt she even cared about her kid when she gave birth to him it was just a ploy to get a lesser sentence

[@LittleLotteWanders]

Maybe the birth of her child was a serious wake up call. Giving birth really is a life changing experience because we’re programmed to feel empathy toward our offspring. It seems like she had very serious Stockholm syndrome and it took giving birth to kindof snap her out of it. She still deserved time, don’t get me wrong, but it sounds like she was very mentally unwell and had someone intervened in their relationship sooner with psychological help, she might’ve never taken any part in this. I hope she’s gotten help since she was released or while she was in prison so she won’t be prone to this terrible kind of thing again.

[@zeeo3147]

@@Daaaanielleselfish monster

[@sk-nk7yv]

i could empathize with charlene as a domestic abuse survivor, but this does NOT justify allowing so many innocent people to die. she had so many chances to take action & put a stop to it, she chose not to.

[@lenorahummell1580]

Agreed

[@MaggieSimpsonn]

As a domestic abuse survivor she could have gotten out. She made her life out to be so relaxed and that she could do whatever she wanted, she was far more then sick and definitely not a victim

[@DANNYTHEFROG123]

I can emphasize up until she not only knew what he was doing but helped him. She would've kept helping him if the witness hadn't came forward and she was in jail.

[@chrissy3875]

i cant empathize - a surviour

[@Mistress_Lilith]

8

[@tiffanysadlertlc]

I find Charlene equally guilty. She had a wealthy family that could have taken care of her and gotten her out of the marriage. She deserved much more than she received.

[@cyndymcfarlin8537]

Oh my goodness Tiffany Saddler you are so very right. The fact that she could just go have a little nap on the couch. Well everything was going on in the bathroom that was being done to poor Mary Beth. But there will always and forever be the fact that the first one to talk is the first one to walk. That's only you need to go back to Street Justice. Much love

[@tiffanysadlertlc]

@@cyndymcfarlin8537 so true. The first one to talk and the one with money is always going to get the best deal. Take care of yourself dear and be safe!

[@thatdamncrow9197]

@@cyndymcfarlin8537 she was most definitely desensitized after everything else Its obviously as fuck

[@virginiaarthur5]

@@cyndymcfarlin8537 yes her dad send her 500 right away no questions asked I’m sure if she told him I need help his violent he would have helped her go into hiding and protected her. Some of us don’t have that option I had to get out of an abusive marriage completely on my own hardest thing I’ve ever done

[@h4rp_xo]

I think honestly you don't understand how abuse works if this is your logic... remember he was abusive towards her and was begging for these things, she couldn't say no or it would be taken out on her. victims don't admit their abusers are wrong because they are scared and/or think that they love them.

[@PinkyObviously]

I feel like Craig saved Andy’s life. His reaction was to shout at him to get him out of the car, rather than tell him they were being held hostage - which would have most likely resulted in Andy being taken with them and killed.

[@sharonavandijken6970]

Actually really wholesome 😭

[@chidzhustle3570]

Don’t wanna say it but technically Charlene saved his life, she dragged him out of the car? But Craig def intended to

[@rainyclouds3441]

I think Craig was one of the most selfless people, he didn’t even beg to live, and he did everything in his power to stop Andy despite knowing it would probably result in him getting killed.

[@adriana_cern]

@@chidzhustle3570 I think Charlene panicked. She probably thought they could deal with two people but 3 would be too many. Plus he was a man, they might have tried taking him as well if he were a woman.

[@SebastianSketchs]

No, because that is so sweet and I think that you’re right. I feel so bad for him because in his eyes, he just saw these two chilling in a car didn’t think much of it went up to it to joke around with them. It’s like they almost knew what was going to happen, didn’t bother to escape because they knew how bad that consequence would turn out to be, but if anything save his life over anybody’s. though, it’s probably heartbreaking for him because with that he’s probably feeling extremely guilty about it. That is something that’s going to make someone paranoid for the rest of their life.

[@Warriorcatfan4444]

This is why parents need to teach their children that women strangers are just as dangerous as men strangers. DO NOT TRUST A STANGER NO MATTER THEIR AGE, RACE, OR GENDER. go in a car or walk with someone that you know never a stranger because you could and would be killed or kidnapped stay safe out there

[@electracv9154]

Even faced with the type of scenario that played out in this case, you do *not* get in the car . I'd rather get shot at trying to run away than get in the gunholder's car and go through god knows what.

[@lpsmidnight7539]

@@electracv9154 in most cases it is just easier to get shot on the spot, cuz if you agree to go with them and agree to do what they tell you to, you will probably suffer a 10 times more painful death than just being shot

[@moxiemaxie3543]

Rewrite that sentence please 😆

[@adriana_cern]

This! There are so many couples that worked together to abduct people and it’s usually the woman who approaches the person because she’s “just” a woman therefore not threatening. 🤐

[@Kxii77813x]

@@electracv9154 yes this !!!!! Never go to a second location with someone. I would rather die putting up a fight screaming and shouting and getting shot (OR possibly surviving if this scares them and they run away) than going with someone and getting killed for SURE in that second location. Either way I’m dead but one of them I was defending myself and one of them I had to endure pure torture and fright for who knows how long🤷🏻‍♀️

[@monanokihill6169]

Charlene was living with her dad when Mary-Beth and her boyfriend were murdered. If she was really scared of him, seems like she had all the support she needed to leave him and was halfway there. I don't trust her, feels like she was fine with murder till it became too frequent. Oh sorry Charlene, was that an inconvenience for you

[@marinagalbraith6686]

very true, no matter how much in love a girl is, she knew what was right from wrong. she had every opportunity to get out and do the right thing

[@TheInfernoSky]

Spot on. She knew what she was doing.

[@Jolenesmart1980]

Totally - it’s when they get jealous - same with karla homolka and other killer couples - the women get jealous over the attention the victims are getting - they are just as bad as the men

[@lisamac1986]

@@Jolenesmart1980 I don’t think it’s jealousy I think it’s that they already had it in them I mean Karla killed her sisters pet when younger so that’s telling.

[@sashkalembowitz203]

Just wanted to say I agree with you and also I was your 1k like

[@momsdiva71]

Charlene in my opinion is just as sick and depraved as Gerald. She was a very willing part of these horrible crimes. I don't think she should have been able to make any deal. The same sentence Gerald received is equal for her. I'm just sick listening to these stories.

[@DvidTheGnome]

Yea, it just seems like a case of two bizarre and wicked people getting together and they both deserve the death penalty for what they did.

[@thatdamncrow9197]

You think what she did is the same as violently raping girls and killing them Do you have any idea what stockholm syndrome is or how when abused people can become dependent on their abuser The police would have barely had any evidence for much of the case without her Without that deal the families would have never gotten proper closure and justice Do you have any idea what your saying

[@emilymulcahy]

@@thatdamncrow9197 he likely wouldn't have had nearly as many victims without her, no, she isn't as bad as he is, but she's not far from it

[@munginosal2135]

@@thatdamncrow9197 That's not how Stockholm syndome works and SHE DROVE MOST OF THEM TO DEATH. A lot of these women wouldn't have died if weren't for her and the family of the victims have to see this woman calling herself a victim on national tv while their family member who are the real victim are dead.

[@TheInfernoSky]

@@munginosal2135 Exactly. Plus unlike most abusive relationships, she could've easily gotten out of it because she has money. She's sick just like he is

[@unknown_wonknu]

I'm uncomfortable with the fact that Charlene is free and possibly still alive today, it doesn't sit right with me...

[@phedradee]

Literally same

[@gracielock6475]

Exactly

[@kristentrep5038]

Same

[@whatiswrongwithyou1936]

I'm confused about the whole story. Did we hear about the last victims first, in the first part? And what was the point of the first part? Didn't we only need the second part? The whole thing has confused me. In the second part when Eleanor said how many victims he was up to, I couldn't keep track of who/when. Sort of agree about the wife, but she could claim she feared it could be her if she didn't comply. And she claims she didn't harm them. She just didn't report it or take heroic measures. Which if true, is a lesser crime. Although it's clearly still a huge crime, as reflected in her sentencing. And she did eventually report all the crimes and co-operate, when confronted. As far as we know.

[@unknown_wonknu]

@@whatiswrongwithyou1936 the first episode is about the last victims, so we did hear about them first. That's because the last victims are the reason why Charlene and her husband got caught; it's all because the friend of the last victims noticed the car and license plate and had an exact time and place where the couple was last seen. The other victims were talked about in the second video because they weren't known to be the victims until Charlene's confession where she gave roughly remembered places of which each victim was found, how they were killed, and how they got the victims. Although I agree with you that Charlene wasn't necessarily the murderer and her only crimes were not saying anything and stopping it, she did help him lure in people and helped him be able to murder without a second thought. She might not have had the I'll intent he did but she was still part of the reason 10 people were brutally murdered.

[@mec3941]

I can’t believe Gerald sold his van with the mattress inside, like bro-

[@sophiec9090]

And the person that bought it? Did they not see it when they went to look at the van or before they agreed to buy it?

[@mec3941]

@@sophiec9090 yeah, i know, wtf

[@lux.illuminaughty]

Right?! I was thinking that too! He sold the van with the bloody mattress inside?! Now, maybe he had the presence of mind to dress it up a bit with a clean sheet or some funky early 1980s bedspread (really thin things, those) but still! Or maybe the police, who'd been keeping an eye on Gerald, had spoken to the prospective buyer, or hell, maybe the buyer was a CI or something, idk, and told to ask Gerald if he'd throw the mattress in as part of the deal, who knows? Unfortunately at the time, DNA testing being was it was (or wasn't) they couldn't have done much with the blood other than store it. It wasn't all that many years ago that if a sample had more than one person's DNA in it, it was useless to investigators, they couldn't separate the codes to identify anything. Amazing how far we've come in 40 years. Sometimes it is easy to forget that the technology wasn't always there.

[@fj59]

@@sophiec9090 the only thing I can think of is that it was the 80s. The person could have seen a flyer that was like “old van, $xxx, pick it up yourself”

[@AmyAberrant]

I can’t believe someone BOUGHT a van with a blood soaked mattress in it!

[@hisindahouse]

I don’t really understand why should Charlene be less guilty than her husband, when Myra Hindley was just as guilty as Ian Brady. It’s a really similar case to the Moors murders in nature and in power dynamic between the killers. Although, being in an abusive relationship could take that much of a toll on someone to not to see clearly on anything, but doesn’t qualify as a magical cover for all the negligence what she did as an accomplice.

[@clarapearson4609]

you literally took the words out of my mouth. it was complete bs she was able to cop a deal!

[@aaliyahandrew2023]

yes, 10000%

[@magalymartin9796]

The baby, hands down…

[@ereristark425]

Charlene had better lawyers (─.─||）

[@samanthaM7119]

I think it was purely from her giving them the truth that she got a lower sentence, without it the police would've had a hard time finding bodies and collecting enough evidence to tie it to them. She's a true monster just like her husband and deserved the same sentence, but I can at least be grateful she wasn't going to take the victims names to the grave like some killers do. Say's a lot that that's her only redeeming quality..

[@archeewaters]

she's an enabler. she's also a partner in crime. this didn't just happen once. she had enough time to alert authorities!

[@katiekehoe724]

What gets me about Charlene is she didn't want to turn on him UNTIL her kid was taken from her! It wasn't because of guilt or remorse it was entirely so she could see her kid! And what others are saying about how she still loves him and all that like dude!? He molested his daughter and multiple little girls!! How can you love him!

[@ertjiesb4158]

Apparently she never thought about 'what if someone did this to MY child'. Or even the fact that he did do this to his own child and she had no problem having a child with him or hiding him from the police.

[@mollysministuff]

Exactly. How can you still love a person who you've watched rape and murder several girls?

[@baylie-jaynelarcombe19]

@@ertjiesb4158 what if thats why she let him do it? so he wasn’t doing it to her or eventually her child. hes prone to incest....

[@Autumnpearly]

Tip: if someone comes up to you demanding you go somewhere with them do whatever you have to, to not go. Cause a scene and start a riot. They’ll most likely back down for fear of people seeing them. They’re intentions are like to kill you if they want you in a different location. Even if they threaten you. Edit: I got some really good replies here. They said yell “fire” instead of “help”. I guess it makes people respond more.

[@cyndymcfarlin8537]

April Showers my dear. You are so very very right. When I was a whole lot younger. They used to be this detective show on. Don't remember the name but I do remember he had a huge handlebar mustache. He would end every so with the statement never never go to the secondary crime scene. He would say you're going to die anyway Fight for Your Life and you choose to die on your own terms. and sometimes you will get away. and no no no vans. Much love girl really like the way you think and really liked your name

[@MiaWallace85]

I must be a genius bc this is how I would react normally

[@Autumnpearly]

@@cyndymcfarlin8537 I don’t know why but I’ll always trust a guy with a handlebar mustache. Especially in the 90s. They meant business. Lol

[@norah945]

I think it's easier said than done. Like imagine being in the situation, you're thinking this person will shoot me if I don't do as he says. This is what all this man's victims did, of course if they knew what was gonna happen they would've caused a scene and tried to gey away instead of getting in that van with him but at that time they thought listening to him is their only option and hope of surviving. What I mean is that with a gun pointed at you, your mind goes blank. I know it's awful and I hope none of us finds ourselves in a situation like this.

[@commonsense571]

God Damned RIGHT THANK YOU for saying it!!!

[@nadinerose92]

I would die before luring in kids to be abused and slaughtered. She deserved much more given she had a supportive family that had every resource at their fingers . To sympathize with a domestically abused woman is one thing, but the heinous actions she took are separate to that.

[@-myharlequinnsapphicarch-]

i was thinking that same thing, either i die or that abuser is dying, those children would not have gone near that van. charlenne's behaviour in this was horribly disgusting, and tbh i think she just liked taking part bc she literally had nothing holding her back from telling the police immediatley and she had nothing to worry about when the police were at her house with her father and her she had so many chances to come forward and i think she made the concious choice not to bc she enjoyed it.

[@caram6073]

100% agree was just thinking this !! Everyone saying she was a victim too, scared of Gerald, but I would literally jump into traffic before I had to lure a 13 and 14 year old to be raped and killed ! She was completely complicit with the crimes

[@crystalmarie6670]

@@caram6073 jumped in front of a car, crashed the van, robbed someone for their car, broke into a house, acted like I was robbing a nearby store, get caught stealing from the store on purpose… something 😂 it’s not funny but I would’ve done anything BUT allowed that to happen to children..

[@treelicker]

Cases like these make me realize that if someone ever points a weapon at me in a public place and tells me to do something, I will do everything in my power to NOT do that thing. Scream, run, fight, all of the above... I'd rather die quickly with the chance of getting a sicko caught than be slowly tortured to death and disposed of like garbage.

[@fj59]

Yes yes yes. Escape or die trying.

[@Janellabelle]

I'm doing the same. And I'm not letting anyone restrain me if the break in my home to rob me. Some killers break in and act like they are just there to rob in order to be able to get the husband to go along with getting tied up so he wouldn't fight, and then after he has the man tied up he rapes and kills the woman and then kills the man on his way out. Not there to rob at all. No reason to tie anyone up if you're just there to rob the house. They can lock us in a room TOGETHER... unrestrained...besides that I'll take my chances.

[@SebastianSketchs]

My parents always told me that if someone puts a weapon to you in public, you immediately surrender. But that’s a good way to be murdered. I think the most efficient thing would to be run and scream at the top of your lungs like there is no tomorrow like that is the last time you’re going to ever scream. And if screaming isn’t getting anyone’s attention, somehow start knocking shit over.

[@Nat-lb5gq]

She was 100% compliant. I think she only coughed up the truth so she could have the chance of being a mother to her son. I doubt she’d have done the same if she wasn’t pregnant

[@mollysequoia7127]

She shouldn’t be near a child

[@tojislefttoe7505]

@@mollysequoia7127 she shouldn't even be considered a human, she witnessed so much abuse and carried on with her life like it was nothing. She had so many opportunities to do something about it yet she chose not to. Digusting woman.

[@DVelez-wz3fe]

I mean she named her son after that monster so she was a willing and active participant and enjoyed her part

[@Rubycella]

Right

[@lalalovelace243]

I really struggle to watch a rape scene on tv, the screams are very disturbing and just the sheer violence of it is horrific. How a woman can lead another woman to such terror, or an innocent 13yr old to her death without much persuasion (Gerald didn't have to put a gun to her head) and can fall asleep to the screams is beyond evil. She should have had life in prison.

[@xoxolovechristielynn]

I don’t care that Charlene was a victim of domestic violence, it is a completely separate issue. I was not only physically abused by a partner, I was also sexually assaulted by him countless times over a 2 year period. I was weak and stupid and I stayed too long but there is literally nothing that could have been done to me to influence me to do what she did. There was something sick inside of her that had nothing to do with the abuse. Period.

[@briannahall1281]

so sorry you went through that :(💓💓

[@HopeeInk]

Hope you’re doing better now.

[@honeymartina8383]

so sorry that happened to you, you deserve happiness and love.

[@yohaannaa00]

I’m so so sorry you went through that, please be kinder to yourself and stop blaming yourself for staying too long.❤️❤️

[@baylie-jaynelarcombe19]

so true. however everybody knows about rape victims and hears rumours/truths yet we don’t feel the emotional damage or connection to the situation unless its you or someone your really close with. therefore she may have disassociated with the events. she also hasnt said how she felt in the very beginning, if she says that it messed with her mind to the point of numbness, allowing her to sleep as she could no longer emotionally attach, she may have been sectioned, admitted to a mental institution, resulting in never being able to have her child. those places aren’t nice all things her lawyers may have said to her, her husband saying she did drugs was detrimental to her case to prove innocence, clearly. she had knowledge of what was going on and assisted in abduction and that in my opinion is what she is guilty of. she didn’t commit the same crimes as her husband and he didn’t expect her to. there isn’t any direct accounts where she has described and explained the abuse that occurred. perhaps maybe she felt assisting would be that it was a way out of her abuse, to allow him to abuse others. she also knows he abused children, she doesn’t want her baby to be abused. don’t get me wrong she is guilty, but she isn’t guilty for the same crimes as him

[@someguy3611]

when she was talking about the 13 and 14 year old victims, my stomach was turning. I'm 14 currently and all of it makes me feel so sick but they were so young and had they survived, bad any of them survived, they'd be completely traumatised. it's so sickening. all of it is extremely sickening.

[@bosselotiscanon]

if you're 14, you probably shouldn't be watching such graphic true crime videos: hell, i'm 17 and this shit is making me genuinely nauseous

[@someguy3611]

@@bosselotiscanon its an interest of mine. it makes me nauseous too but it's intriguing so I watch, thank u for your concern tho

[@bosselotiscanon]

@@someguy3611 i totally get that, there is such a thing as secondhand PTSD though (aka not directly going through anything but hearing about what happened to someone and it being traumatizing) so it's very important to give yourself time to disconnect and do something that isn't filled with horrific violence

[@someguy3611]

@@bosselotiscanon yeah ik, this isn't the only thing I watch ofc. I do read light books and watch yk normal 14 yr old videos and Eleanor is the only true crime channel that I watch so personally I don't think it's too much:)

[@bosselotiscanon]

@@someguy3611 oh in that case you're totally fine, i'm glad you're staying safe

[@Belle-c7x]

it's the fact Charlene spoke to the police beforehand and she had the opportunity to tell them there and then everything that has gone on and she chose not to. she deserves more than 16 years.

[@priscillangaliema7730]

Even though Charlene was involved and helped the police, she allowed children to get violated that to me is sick and says a lot about her. I understand that she is a victim but I don’t understand why she can’t be a victim in jail. She’s not innocent and she should be in prison for the rest of her life.

[@amypoff8589]

NOT a victim at all. She used the legal aspect of viewing abused women as incapable to get off.

[@venda1008]

She is not a victim

[@princesspearl9131]

She is definitely not a victim. She is an accomplice. She got off too easy.

[@vabellabeauty3006]

Charlene is equally to blame as Gerald. So many times she could have asked her Dad for help to be put into protection if she was so scared of her husband. Luring those innocent victims is encouraging his behaviour. There is such a thing called duress and coercion, but this wasn't a one-time crime, this was ten times, ten opportunities to get the hell out of there, or at least tipped off someone to get help.

[@thatdamncrow9197]

It wasnt 10 times many of the times it was groups of 2 And good god you need a lesson on psychology

[@BooglePoots]

And in her case, not only did she have a rich family that could've protected her, but she actually had a sure fire way to get him locked up for good. Even after the first double kidnapping/rape/murder, she could've gone to the police and he would've been locked up, with no way to get to her at all. A lot of abuse victims don't think it's worth telling the police because they don't think they'll be believed and assume the abuse will get worse after the abuser finds out that they tried to get away - but after he murdered people, that just wouldn't have been the case with him anymore. And yeah, she definitely could've tipped somebody off too. She could've literally called the police and gotten him caught red-handed when he was raping the woman in their driveway and she was alone inside their house, or when he was raping the other woman inside their house and she was just taking a snooze in the next room

[@BooglePoots]

@@thatdamncrow9197 It still could've been stopped any of those times, between any of those 10 different victims. I mean hell, of the multiple times that he left her in the van with one victim while he walked away to murder the other one, she could've literally driven away with the remaining victim. That would've stopped things right then and there

[@thatdamncrow9197]

@@BooglePoots yea except for the constant fear for her own life And since she had to assist with the first murders she would still prob get some prison time

[@homedepot.]

@@thatdamncrow9197 is this her burner account? You’ve been defending her A LOT.

[@munginosal2135]

Before you empathize with Charlene, remember that she called herself a victim knowing that the families of the people she lured to death can watch her.

[@samih5916]

Don't worry, I have no sympathy for that loser and she should be in prison right now instead of being around in society.

[@raiabhinav1]

Charlene is married? Does her family know about her past? If she was in my family, I would have died from shame for being related to her. How desparate someone can be to marry a person like her!

[@DVelez-wz3fe]

She remarried and was living in Sacramento under the name Mary Martinez. There’s a story on line that states she’s still up to no good and her husband is henpecked and submissive

[@KrazyCatQueen]

When you talked about the part with the girl trusting the couple because of the fact they were a couple, and that Charlene was pregnant, it reminded me of that woman who was taken and kept in a box for years. She felt safe with them because they had a baby in the car. How horrible.

[@shaunapapa8564]

I see Charlene as a willful victim. She had the ability to leave, the others did not. Especially with her Dad being so wealthy, she could have gotten out if she would have wanted. If she would have come forward after the first one then yes, she was a victim but to continue.... she was doing that of her own free will.

[@DvidTheGnome]

I don't really see her as a victim at all. I see the victims of her crimes as the victims and her as a perpetrator, but hey what do I know.

[@shaunapapa8564]

@@DvidTheGnome I think you know a lot. I tend to agree. I am giving her the benefit of the doubt on the first one and maybe if he was abusive to her she felt trapped and didn't think he would take things that far, but thereafter, she was completely on her own doing what SHE wanted to do.

[@-inightmare-371]

@@DvidTheGnome agreed

[@GenXfrom75]

@@shaunapapa8564 that's my thinking, as well. After the first two murders, she was no longer doing it because she was "afraid" of Gerald.

[@amypoff8589]

She definitely isn’t a victim. A full willing participant. She chose to hurt ppl

[@yurielcundangan9090]

Eleanor: Notifies Everyone: *CLICKS

[@AxxLAfriku]

You dislike the stuff that gets uploaded by my fingers clicking upload? Are you just a h8er boi? I say see you l8er, boi. Don't watch the stuff that gets uploaded by my fingers clicking upload anymore. Your dislikes are damaging my good good GOOD reputation. I am a superstar, dear yue

[@lewwzerr]

this is true I left a live stream for this

[@rosemead1996]

Literally me every single time haha

[@kimberlyfitzgerald1364]

She could have stopped him ANYTIME after the first two murders. She’s as guilty as he was.

[@jasmin_louisee]

but dont you think that if she tried to stop him. he would rape and kill her too? im not disregarding her or what she did. but i honestly think she was terrified of him.

[@dem0litionsss]

@@jasmin_louisee she wasnt even living with him at the time of the murders, she was living with her rich ass father, she could have gotten out of that relationship easily and told the police

[@idek7438]

@@dem0litionsss Also she literally stayed in the car and waited for him while he went away to murder the girls. If she wasn't a willing participant why didn't she just speed away and leave him stranded?You're in a car, it's not like he can run after you or catch up to you. She could have driven away and got help at any time. She stayed there because she was on board with it.

[@moxiemaxie3543]

Thats fukking stupid of you to say and must have grown up sheltered. He would have killed her just as easily as he did the other girls , especially if he found a way to not get questioned about her disappearance lol

[@moxiemaxie3543]

Thats like me saying you could have stopped that armed bank robbery. You could have stopped them and not be stalked and killed after for snitchin. Welcome to the real world Kimmy Fitz

[@tojislefttoe7505]

Charlene isn't a victim, the fact that she let his husband, SA those LITERAL CHILDREN. No. Just. No. She knew full well what he was doing with them and she had so many chances to report him to the police. She's heartless, cold blooded and digusting.

[@darlingnate7334]

Charlene Gellego 🤝 Karla Homolka Getting away with murder by claiming to be victims

[@RealmsMedia]

Charlene had every chance to stop him. After the first two girls she was well aware of how far her husband would go. She may had started out as a victim, but she became as much of a monster as her husband. It's absolutely insane that she only served a few years.

[@deanwinchester822]

She’s not a victim she said I’m her own words that she willing to do anything for him and she loved it she’s just as guilty as he was, I don’t understand why the court thought that it was it a good idea to release her after she was a wiling partner🤦🏽‍♀️ the victims don’t get to live and have kids so why should she

[@origamipein18]

It's probably because she helped locate the victims' bodies.

[@apriljohnson9085]

Same thing with Karla Homolka and Paul Bernardo. She got off rather easily, now she is living a life married with kids and under a new name even though she was very much involved with what Paul Bernardo was convicted of. She helped kill her own sister. Sick, sick people in this world. The Barbie and Ken murders in Canada.

[@fernandapastre9834]

This case remind me of when I was little and my mom said that if I ever found myself in a situation where somebody threatened me with a weapon to go somewhere else, I should scream and fight as hard as I could 'cause what they'd do to me would be so much worse than death

[@-myharlequinnsapphicarch-]

honestly as someone who went through SA when i was a child i would rather have just been killed, and my case wasnt even close to as horrifically violent as these girls, but i still would rather have died than have had to go through and still deal with what i have to deal with 15-16 years later.

[@fernandapastre9834]

@@-myharlequinnsapphicarch- I'm so sorry for what you've been through. No one should ever have to deal with that pain.

[@fantasiazplatkami]

So true.

[@haileymacdougall-dyer2163]

A lot of those girls wouldn’t have died if Charlene just hadn’t lured them in 👀 and she knew it

[@oliviaakya]

I genuinely don't think I've been so violently angered while watching about a case like this than hearing about what a sadistic piece of trash Gerald was. I genuinely cannot fathom what drives someone to do something like that to girls so young, it's so unbelievably sickening.

[@kellywalter4]

After the first two girls were murdered, Charlene is every bit as guilty as Gerald. Abused and afraid, yes. But she had opportunities and the means to leave the situation.

[@idek7438]

She was waiting for him in the car while he went and murdered the girls. If she was afraid and did not want to be there why didn't she speed away and get help and leave him stranded?

[@autumn8275]

I just finished part one, the timing is perfect

[@karenneill9109]

Reminds me of Paul Bernardo and Karla Homolka. Such a similar dynamic, even a similar end story with her spilling all the beans, getting a sweet deal. It also has the same question- Were the women victims or willing participants? I think the answer is "both".

[@LeilaVividSounds]

With the Bernardo/Homolka case she was able to finesse everyone and say she wasn’t a willing participant until the videotapes emerged after she made that deal. The transcripts are a harrowing read, but she actively was involved in raping her victims, including her own sister, as it’s on tape. The murders may have been driven by her jealousy, too. No remorse. Charlene’s saving grace is that she didn’t assault the girls too, not that that is anything to write home about in full context..

[@maggierodick1173]

Yes this is what I just commented! Paul and Karla are from the same town I live in. Absolutely hate driving over the bridge of the same spot they dumped many bodies

[@karenneill9109]

@@maggierodick1173 I bet! I’m from Mississauga- I had him walk past my Mom and I in a car waiting at the GO train. Both of us immediately locked our doors- no words between us. Then another person walked by. First guy looked clean cut but made our skin crawl. Next guy looked scruffy, but made us feel safe. First was Paul Bernardo, second was an undercover cop following him. He was arrested that day or the next. Best lesson in ‘trust your instinct’ I could have had at age 16. We had no idea who it was until the next day. Still goes me goosebumps.

[@karenneill9109]

@@LeilaVividSounds The fact that the videos didn’t void Homolka’s plea agreement was a travesty. She lied to them, plain and simple. And yes, Homolka was much more involved, and her own sister... who does that!?! 🤢

[@DVelez-wz3fe]

@@karenneill9109 There’s a wonderful book I read a long time ago titled, The Gift of Fear. It was an eye opener and everyone should read it.

[@annaellemay8590]

I feel so bad for Andy, I can't imagine the guilt he must feel knowing that that would be the last time he sees his friends alive. This hurts man...

[@cynthia4670]

It disgust me that Charlene calls herself a victim after everything. 💀💀

[@manda-om9ls]

was feeling really sad today:) don’t have any friends to spend halloween with but you’re always there for me eleanor! love you

[@objectivelybiased]

Happy halloween!

[@natashathorley1943]

Defo same we ought start a group elenors loners group haha

[@rx500android]

We can be your friends! Happy Halloween, stranger!

[@manda-om9ls]

@@natashathorley1943 we should haha

[@manda-om9ls]

@-CR0W- thank you you too

[@rosieavasofia9281]

I was so confused by the Lil preview at the beginning thinking where is eleanors “in today’s video” then it cut to the new visual and I was like okay gurl love it 💅🏼

[@emz_editz8114]

Eleanor i love the new sort of look ur going for, its much more natural and shows all your extra beauty

[@nettaleanne]

I agree!

[@efrizzie6091]

YES I LOVE IT SHES ALWAYS BESUTIFUL BUT I JUST LIVE THIS LOOK

[@squidwaaa.261]

she didnt like the fact her child was taken but she and her husband took other peoples childrens lives.

[@elliegarrett3939]

There's the argument that Charlene loved her husband so much she'd do anything for him, and that potentially she was brainwashed by him. However, she'd still need to have a twisted part of herself to accept what he was doing! There's no way a mentally sound person would help someone else rape and kill multiple people, married or not. She had the option to leave him and start a new life elsewhere, but apparently his desperation for sex slaves wasn't that big of an issue to her.. in my opinion her sentence should've been AT LEAST doubled.

[@crystalmarie6670]

I’ve loved someone so much that I allowed cheating and I justified it was only online and never physically but this… yea no… if I ever found out anything like that bye. They got to go I don’t care I would’ve went to the police and they lived together I would’ve walked down to the nearest police station with all the evidence

[@christinamoller5742]

Charlene was a monster too. If you remember, the very first killing they did, she didn’t hesitate, nor did she hesitate in the subsequent murders after realizing for sure what was going on. She could have called the police while he was committing his crimes instead of doing things like napping on the couch. While entirely possible he could have gotten violent with Charlene, he did seem apt to take his time in his crimes. And she knew this, she was there for every one. I thought she was manipulative and tried to play herself as a victim to avoid criticism. BTW, happy Halloween everyone! 😊🎉

[@LiLiLit]

Poor Craig, protective till the end. Also, I'm confused, why when their friend got in the car they didn't scream for help?

[@C............]

I had this exact thought. I'm still confused. If the friend jumped in the car when the 2 killers were in a house what kept them there? They were probably told something like 'do as we say and we will let you live, if you try and get out the car we will kill you" something had to keep them there. It's nice to see that they immediately told there friend to get out of the car, at least he was protected.

[@rinrinrinnz]

they were probably too afraid too, besides gerald had a gun, he could just shoot at all three of them

[@C............]

@@rinrinrinnz I think the point is that Craig and Mary were alone in that unlocked car and Gerarld was away from them for a few minutes. It all depends on what reason Gerarld gave for telling them to sit in the car. It could've been something like a staged robbery and if they didn't comply they would be hurt. If they knew his true intentions they would've jumped out of that car when the friend got in. Having a female accomplice probably made the couple a bit more at ease rather than if it was just a lone male with a gun.

[@rinrinrinnz]

@@C............ they probably didn't want the friend to get hurt as well

[@C............]

@@rinrinrinnz maybe . No one can know what happened for sure and no one knows what they would do in that situation. One thing I know for sure though is she is just as guilty as him. The way she willingly lured young women into the hands of a demon is blood curdling. She quickly turned against him when she had a chance to save herself. She literally could've got him sent to jail for life with all the evidence she had against him.

[@Anna-or9pu]

Charlene is just as guilty. I understand the abuse and trauma she went through, I was in an abusive relationship for 11 years and I know it’s not as simple as ‘just leave’, particularly when he is very capable of murder. But she lured innocent children to be raped and murdered. In the thick of the abuse I went through, I would rather just be killed myself, the thought of what those innocent people all went through is horrific. She should have received a life sentence.

[@Daaaanielle]

She was also a selfish little brat. So there is not much compassion is there? She was always the center of the universe and nothing probably mattered but her. I don’t trust the abuse defence, she was evil too.

[@makeapathpresents]

She wasn't a victim at all. That's a pathetic cope out.

[@naomiwilliams2351]

my heart breaks as a 16 year old girl myself i can’t even imagine the fear all them girls felt in that van or being led to their death :(

[@aemilia5492]

It’s crazy that so many death row inmates don’t even die from death row. It doesn’t need to take sooooo many years to fulfill their death penalty

[@hannahreed2451]

From what I’ve read it’s cheaper to let them die out in prison. Apparently (at least in the US) it’s extremely hard expensive to kill someone lmao. Who knew?!

[@BriannaTshelle]

They have to have a chance to exhaust all their appeals.

[@homedepot.]

@@hannahreed2451 it’s like a mil to execute them and about 40k a year regularly lol

[@dontdiscriminatehateeveryo9263]

That's a big problem in Cali but not everywhere in America. I'd execute them for free and provide the ammo. I hate my tax dollars going to keeping these evil people alive.

[@amyrichardsonxxx]

Waiting on death row knowing you are going to die is worse than actually dying imo

[@theunknown3258]

Charles is a good dad... one of the parents that realizes, you need to make your kids get the consequences for their wrong doings.. because they will get worse if you don't

[@cheyenner9898]

So excited for this!! Ty for posting for 2 days in a row Eleanor💗🤩

[@angiestalesfromwales1590]

nahhhh as an abuse survivor myself, I am disgusted with Charlene's actions - or inaction. she willingly lured those girls to their torture and death. being traumatised does not give you the right to abuse and traumatise others. she received a far too light of a sentence she didn't suddenly grow a conscience - it was a move to get her a lesser sentence. if she was really having a crisis of conscience, she would have put a stop to it way before they were caught. I don't doubt that man was abusive towards her but she still had a choice to not aid him in these terrible crimes.

[@michelinegosselin3879]

Thank you for adding "part 2" in the title.

[@KyrieChii]

It's so disturbing & horrifying how _easily_ a young person/child can be lured into a trap (by a complete stranger), or how many people accept rides from those they don't know when that's obviously one of the worst things you can do. I have particular contempt for the female partners of these serial killers... Another good example would be Myra Hindley (/Ian Brady). They take advantage of the the baseline 'trust' a lot of people (especially young people/children) have in women & use it to lure them to their torturous demise. No punishment we can carry out would be good enough.

[@oren1305]

This all took place decades ago, when sex offenders didn't have a registry, and people were more trusting of strangers and hitchhiking. These days, unless you're a very young child, it'd be harder to lure someone in like this. He also had a gun and forced several of his victims to go with him.

[@oren1305]

I also agree 100% about partners who know what their serial killing spouse is doing....

[@KyrieChii]

@@oren1305 Good points. And I know that hitchhiking has become pretty taboo these days (luckily) for the most part. It's just amazing it went on for as long as it did. I definitely don't mean to suggest anyone is unintelligent for being tricked, & you're right that many were threatened with a weapon & had no choice in the matter. These days there are still a lot of people who try to draw people in by pretending they're broken down or need help, only to take advantage of others' kindness. makes you afraid to help anyone.

[@natashathorley1943]

25 seconds officially in early squad was literally scrolling through you tube looking for something to watch and elenor pops up makes my night 100 times better

[@rosiekrespo9076]

Omg I wasn't expecting the part 2 today! Thank you!

[@ZoeAlleyne]

Charlene had every opportunity to get away from this. She had a support system, she had a good childhood, she had access to love and support. She did it because she loved him, she's no victim.

[@julietterose1619]

Charlene is a narcissist through and through. She said there were "victims" who lived. Only she lived and its because she was a perpetrator. She should have gotten a life sentence for what she did. Many women are victims of domestic violence and they DO NOT and WOULD NOT do something like this.

[@jodieasterling1992]

I have really been so happy with the multiple part stories. I love the deep dives.

[@seroquel.sweetheart]

Cuddled up with my favourite snack and a chai latte, playing animal crossing and getting part 2 of the most mad case I've ever heard .... literally the best Halloween a gal could ask for

[@avrey2787]

This sounds amazing! I hope your island is going well 😊 are you excited for the update?

[@seroquel.sweetheart]

@@avrey2787 omg, yes!! I can't wait ♡ and thank you ^-^ I recently restarted and I'm glad I did since I've learned so much about terraforming and things that it's going great:)

[@avrey2787]

I’m so happy it’s going well for you ^_^ I love the game and can’t wait for the update

[@jasminj2809]

@@avrey2787 this convo was so wholesome, u guys are so cute

[@avrey2787]

@@jasminj2809 thank you! You’re so sweet ^_^

[@summerorta9779]

literally just finished part 1 ! EXCELLENT TIMING

[@arrriadna]

Eleanor: ... "He died of rectal cancer" Me: ...and there it is: Karma's not a bitch!

[@warm_lemonade8915]

I have Covid am I have to stay home for a while, so this 100% made my day better. I don’t have much else to do, so watching your videos really saves me from boredom!

[@freyahorner1430]

wow eleanor!!! quick uploads ❤️ ur glowing atm & we’re so proud of you xo

[@myaachoom]

Something about Charlene being able to relax enough to sit in the living room and take a nap while her husband assaults a woman in his bathroom isn't sitting right with me. Normally, I would empathize with a victim of abuse but...idk. I mean personally, that would've put me on edge especially knowing full well what was happening behind that door. Still, I'm not saying she's lying about the abuse and... it's hard to fully express what I'm thinking here bc english isn't my first language but maybe the severity of it all wasn't creeping up to her just yet. Like the possibility that it could be her or actually fearing for her life wasn't planted into her head just yet. I'm sorry if that offends anyone but like...idk... Charlene's sketchy af

[@kaitymarie8358]

Today is my birthday and this is the best present I could ever get! Thank you!!

[@foxymama2003]

Kaity Marie, Hope you have a wonderful birthday!

[@jasmineabercrombie5355]

This is the best telling of this story I’ve come across. I’ve heard it three times, but this is far more thorough!

[@amzt3128]

I love how you do a lot of cases that aren’t as well known. I think that Charlene should have got the same sentence as him.

[@Everythingwithonehand]

Hopefully Linda never actually regained consciousness. It’s likely she would have still been breathing following the strangulation but probably with such extensive injuries that she wasn’t aware of anything. At least, I like to think that she didn’t wake up before suffocating on sand, which would be utterly horrific.

[@bigman-yj8nw]

i just finished part 1 as i got the notif for this one eleanor has rlly been feeding us recently 😩😩😩‼

[@onenameonlyluna86]

Charlene is guilty as hell she didn't fear for her life she enjoyed it no man can ever make me kill an innocent person

[@hannahhodson2012]

Charlene seems incredibly disconnected from the reality of what she did to these CHILDREN and teenagers. She showed such a disturbing lack of empathy that I really don't think she understands that even if she was beat by her husband, she was a willing participant in all 10 of these cases and to call herself a victim... almost trying to relate to the teenagers she terrorized...is just a slap in the face to all of the victims and their families . She deserves life in prison.

[@BombBre21]

American here. I love hearing you talk. It draws you in and leaves me looking forward to your next video

[@shylahuntley9395]

Omg Thankyou I have been waiting for what seems a lifetime for this 😂😭❤️ - so much so I watched yesterday's 3 times 😭

[@zaeemakhan1170]

Ty Eleanor for posting two videos in two days!

[@jack-gr1jk]

charlene could have stopped gerald after the first 2 murders, but she didn’t. she is 100% as sick as gerald and deserved a lot more time !!

[@sophieharris7678]

Could you please look at the Cleo Smith case here in Australia? After 19 days kidnapped she was found alive today in a locked room in a house! Went missing from her family’s tent. So interesting and it’s just warmed the hearts of our country this morning waking up to that news that she is okay!!

[@honeybee6858]

Eh I’m a traffic survivor and for those three yrs I never had a chance like this girl did to get away. Eventually I was on drugs so bad that I didn’t think I would ever make it out alive and my life would be that way forever . I never lured girls in but there were young teen girls that were prostituting themselves already and were allowed to go lure other girls in , I wasn’t to be trusted cause I tried to kill myself and run every chance I got . Actually the first time I noticed I wasn’t being watched I ran . I thought everyone around there was being paid off to tell if one of us ran off I was so groomed and just scared . They ended up busting the ring and they didn’t believe me when I told or if they did it took five yrs for them to make an arrest cause LE showed up in a van and I got into the back and got to watch and listen to recordings they had so I could identify ppl and then of course I had to testify in court . It’s so common and u cannot trust anyone . So IMO I think the chic in this story is just as guilty as he is if not more cause she lured those girls in knowing what would happen to them .

[@mariaislington]

Im so sorry that happened to you, wishing you the best in the future xxx ❤

[@joancrawford1146]

You are so strong! I’m glad you are able to share your experience! I hope you are doing well….

[@kingcold1758]

Ironically Charlene despite being in her early 20s in those pictures with gerald looks older than him

[@effycine7499]

thank you for uploading part 2 so quickly eleanor!!

[@lolmumru597]

I got in here as soon as I saw it, honestly Eleanor Neale is the highlight of my day

[@cheyenner9898]

I don’t understand how Charlene could speak to the victims knowing they’re about to be killed, especially giving them false hope by saying everything will be ok💔

[@hinalisuryakant5841]

Can we appreciate the police work in this case? MUCH better than many cases

[@zetagamings]

I love you sm, you brighten my day you’re honestly the most genuine and loving youtuber 🥺🥰

[@alexisgrey3633]

Imo Charlene was totally complicit in the murders if other women and girls, even though she was abused with him which was awful, but she used her pretty white middle class womanhood to get off less on what she did.

[@melissam00ndr0psburst4]

Love the new format! Editor Jack knows what’s up! 💚💚💚

[@elizabethgreer27]

This is truly one of the worst cases I’ve ever heard. And i watch A LOT of true crime videos/documentaries/shows etc. Charlene was just as guilty as him and she should have gotten the same punishment. She didnt have remorse or any guilt until SHE was in trouble and that tells me she is just as sick. May all these victims RIP and i hope their families have some peace.

[@-inightmare-371]

These stories never really get to me, but this one? Holy shit.

[@gustherat]

as odd as this may sound, I hope that one day there's nothing else for her to make one of these videos about. but there will always be. people are horrible and always come up with new ways to harm others

[@torim3090]

Thank you so much for posting 2 days in a row you legend!! Loving this new look too- you’re so beautifullll 🥰🤩

[@girlwhomustnotbenamed4139]

It really makes me think what happened to Charlene in her teenage years for her to do such a 180. Those kinds of volte/faces are never without a reason. And given what toxic, unhealthy feelings she had towards her husband, even knowing what he was capable of just corroborates the idea that sg had really fucked her up in the head and the rest was just consequences. Sure, she was also a victim but she had a family, she had an out, she had somewhere to go and was in an actual position to ask for help (living w her father). While victims oftentimes don't feel they can leave, her situation was very different in a lot of respects and I get the sense she actually didn't want to, not out of fear but because of that unhealthy attachment to Gerard. Either way, she should've been locked up for life.

[@berlyndutton7090]

their way of luring in victims reminds me of the myra hindley and ian brady case

[@randialexander7003]

Victims don't nap while other victims are being attacked