Election Special. 5: Labour

In his final rant before the election, Pie decides who to vote for.

[@Kneedragon1962]

LOL ~ "Arguably, the Tories have done more to get Labour in power, than Labour have." Yes, true that.

[@samdunne1990]

I disagree...it is not arguable

[@Petermcpete]

Spot on!!!

[@GarethPW]

@@samdunne1990 Labour are on track to receive the same vote share as Corbyn in 2017. It's absolutely true that the collapse of the Tories is responsible for tomorrow's result.

[@stirlingmoss4621]

it's a given that ruling parties screw up and give the power to its rivals rather than the rivals winning.

[@scatmann5839]

​@@stirlingmoss4621Especially when they've been in power too long, then they become greedy, arrogant and corrupt

[@myturningpoint]

I'm a senior IT server administrator. I'll give you a nice analogy: When IT works, it's completely invisible and transparent, it's boring, it's like your kettle, your fridge or your cooker, it's a tool you don't even think about when you're using it every day. When IT goes wrong, it's the apocalypse, but at no point do you look yourself, no, it's anyone else's fault, not you, no no no. IT is always someone else's problem, not yours. Politics should work like IT when it's working, invisible, transparent, boring. Yet we should be engaged and understand how it works so we can do the most basic of troubleshooting to at least pass on helpful information to the professionals about what the issue might actually be. We have an abbreviation in IT: PICNIC Problem In Chair Not In Computer. I'd rather parliament be full of dull boring people doing their jobs propely with quiet competence than the current s**t show we have that we have allowed to happen.

[@RustyVanDoor]

I sneaked PICNIC into an IT job spec once, must be conversant in PICNIC. It may even still be there.

[@kazimierasmickus8097]

there is Id code for that ID:10t

[@wolfen210959]

I'm obviously a bit longer in the tooth than yourself, as I was taught GIGO, garbage in, garbage out. :)

[@mistie710]

@@RustyVanDoor Nah, most of them are more fluent in WOMBAT (Waste of Money, Brains and Time).

[@AndrewHalliwell]

I've always used PEBCAK. Problem Exists Between Chair And Keyboard

[@the_DarkSoul]

"My dads a tool maker" "Yea i know mate, I'm looking at one" 😂😂😂😂

[@40wink]

The delivery was so smooth, it caught me off guard and made me laugh out loud XD

[@thenapoleonicwars]

This is why I love Pie. Eviscerating the Tories but fair in his scathing dismissal of Labour. God help Labour when they’re in power, because if they don’t deliver, Pie won’t hold back

[@bakakafka4428]

At least we'll still get Jonathan Pie vids. If Labour actually would do a proper job, Pie would be out of his. "Luckily", Starmer is a neolib hypocrite leading a gang of nutters barely less antisocial and vicious than the Tories. It's not if Labour will f*ck up, it's when. How many days, how many hours.

[@davidevans9033]

Neither will the country mate. But as long as they pander to the woke brigade and immigrants, they’ll stay in power for generations to come. We’re fucked either way.

[@iandennis7836]

Oh yes, just cos I want the Tories out BIG time does NOT mean everything labour says or does is beyond reproach, far from it. As Pie said,they had better NOT fekk up, we all need things putting right and this may be their chance to do so.

[@danmayberry1185]

Taking bets (😮) on date of first PMQs when Starmer stands at the dispatch box and says, "It's worse than we thought."

[@DavidJohnson-yg8qm]

It would be Pie in the Sky

[@gdwnet]

My local tory has warned that labour will bring in "french style labour laws" - what you mean less hours, more rights and stronger unions? You are literally threatening me with a good time.

[@yamyampi36]

That’s like saying your next partner will be nice to you.

[@janegreen9340]

And a younger retirement age - works for me.

[@JamesTobiasStewart]

Yeah imagine a society where you legally can't be made to eat lunch at your desk, where said lunch break is legally protected and work emails cannot be sent on your day off.

[@GinoG63]

😂😂😂

[@frankc5380]

stronger onions sounds very french

[@Alex-pk1iy]

The problem with British politics is quite simple thanks to FPTP; vote against the party you don’t want in power, rather than vote for the party you do want in power

[@huwwiliams8426]

Hold your nose, spoil the paper or stay at home; that's modern democracy for you.

[@mitchmorgan3529]

The problem with British politics is that Governments should be "in office" not "in power."

[@Axelgear2006]

Dang. If only a Prime Minister had recently been elected who got leadership of the party promising electoral reform...

[@watermelonhelmet6854]

Exactly that. FPTP sticks around because it _sounds_ fair and is really easy to explain.... it also massively favours whoever's in power, and no government is ever going to change a system that helps keep them in power.

[@huwwiliams8426]

@@mitchmorgan3529 Or are they just in office to serve the interests of lobby groups?

[@markunger1098]

Worse thing about Boris hiding in the fridge was the fact that he came back out again

[@tim7052]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣👍

[@virupakshawalla5734]

Only to drink the white wine he had chilling in there.

[@RussJoysandsorrows]

He looks like he's still in there

[@markunger1098]

@@RussJoysandsorrows just his hair!🤣

[@willtricks9432]

If only he had had followed through like the 70's public information ads about not playing in abandoned fridges. But then Sunak could not have dragged the DeFeffel Dirty Toilet Brush out and waved it at the voters which seems to have backfired as it reminded us that sandwiched between Johnson and Sunak was Truss. A right wing Three Way that has shafted the Tories harder than anything.

[@joer3720]

Never has a party gotten more votes by being less inspiring.

[@Alan_GA]

Topped up with insipid Starmer at the helm.

[@RichardFraser-y9t]

I like boring politicians

[@superhumantrueman]

@@RichardFraser-y9t Me too. Give me boring over the right wing clown act any day.

[@Topazium1]

I'll happily take 5 years of dull, boring and dare we hope even competent politics at this point.

[@Abmotsad]

I'm so tired of people needing to feel inspired in order to vote. I'm sorry you're not getting the pony you wanted. I really am. Here's a voting guide for people who are "just not feeling it". 1) I don't give a fuck if you are or are not hot for some particular candidate. That's what PornHub is for. Jerk off on your own time. 2) If you're too dimwitted to figure out how to vote without getting all tingly in your naughty bits, here are a few helpful hints: A) If one particular party has been an absolute disaster for half a generation, don't vote for them. B) In fact, vote for the people most likely to unseat them. C) Failing that, you might want to consider voting for the people most likely to enact the POLICIES you favor, even if you are not wet "down there". Bizarre, I know. 3) Grow the fuck up.

[@stewartlone3445]

One author, a few years ago, wrote that the majority of Britons are born defeated, and the mantra of that part of our society is 'keep calm and carry on'. But carry on doing what? One thing that stands out about 'Jonathan', he cares and he will not be silent!

[@someoneghvjvj1808]

Good on Pie for discussing the apathy of voters in this election.

[@andybarry5315]

Can you feel the Reform vibrations resonating??? There's good reason to suggest non voters are Reform voters this time around.

[@matthorrocks6517]

You never had a choice.

[@edwardbernthal160]

@@andybarry5315 where should these vibrations be occuring?

[@Tsunamiash80]

@@andybarry5315 Not true at all. Some* Tory voters are turning to Reform. Swing voters are going to Labour and Lib Dems, the borrowed UKIP vote is going back to the far right. Bot farms and a disproportionate over-coverage of Farage is just giving the impression that Reform have a support worth mentioning.

[@macgonzo]

​@@andybarry5315 😂😂😂 Only racists vote Reform party.

[@plarkmoby]

"We don't need Human Rights, we're British.", near spat out my dinner.

[@adamlea6339]

Actually he subtly reveals an important point here. British exceptionalism has gone too far and has contributed to the damage over the last decade or so. People need to get their nationalistic head out of their arse and realise WWII and the 1966 world cup were a long time ago, and the rest of the world is judging the UK by how it acts now and has acted over the whole of history, not some cherry picked snippet.

[@OnafetsEnovap]

@@adamlea6339 Bingo. You got it it one. This mentality of artificial superiority on the basis of nationality is... immature, to say the least. I blame the class system, which I think is the source of a lot of what some people would call "entitlement".

[@caldie4338]

The British invented human rights, and leaving a globalist HR charter does not mean we don't have human rights anymore. Jesus christ, look beyond the surface level.

[@alisonforrester4612]

@@adamlea6339absolutely!

[@rafaelmarkos4489]

From the perspective of one of your former colonies, you guys don't do human rights very well. You seem to have a very limited view of what counts as human, or rights.

[@TomMason-s6r]

Fair play, I thought you would only post one way, but as this asks questions against the new leadership, huge appreciation 👍

[@ewan3001]

"My dad was a toolmaker... yeh and I'm looking right at one" golden 💀

[@1inchPunchBowl]

Not really. That would mean you are suggesting he is a Tool maker not a tool. A bit of a badly constructed joke tbh.

[@frank-caroltrott6131]

What, a toolmaker? My father in law was also a toolmaker, decent bloke and well worth praising. I am guessing that you are a Calliper short of a Boring Bar.

[@Ciaronski11]

​@frank-caroltrott6131 think he's referring to Sarmer as the "tool" that his dad made

[@saydvoncripps]

Never give a bad joke a post mortem. 🥸

[@ROLtheWolf]

I was going to go with "'My dad was a toolmaker'...Yeah, but other than making you, what has he done?"

[@danmayberry1185]

"We don't need human rights - we're British."

[@paultaylor7082]

That's the mindset of people who want us to leave the ECHR, and join Russia and Belarus on the sidelines.

[@leehenry5764]

​@@paultaylor7082No it's the mindset of people wanting Britain to give us human rights and not some international woke institution.

[@edwardbernthal160]

@@leehenry5764 You talk as if the UK had nothing to do with the framing of the ECHR. If you care to read up a little you will see that the UK was a major player in the setting up of the court. People who want the UK out of the ECHR are more than likely to have been leave voters and just how bright were they?

[@winterbliss4459]

@@leehenry5764you’re lying not just to us, but to yourself. how sad

[@mistermelorious]

Generally speaking "rights" in the EU tended to be upgraded by British involvement. Environmental issues too.

[@AmandaJYoungs]

You're really on fire, Tom. I also hated Tony Blair! The day he was elected as Labour leader, I said to my work colleague that I wouldn't buy a used car off that man. Teflon Tony. And I was so irate about Iraq that I couldn't even bear to say "I told you so". Long time Labour voter, and proud of it, but who I would ideally like to win and who I'm voting for are two separate things this time, too. Still voting Labour. It's just that the system we have of FPTP is not helpful right now. Oh, I agree with what I hear you say here SO MUCH. Where is the moral mission? YES. The NHS, housing, and what about the environment, FFS?! This is going to be a tough 48 hours and I do not expect to sleep much. Thank you, Tom, for Jonathan Pie. Thank you for entertaining and rousing me from the cycle of apathy alternating with despair, to remember that other women died for me to be able to vote and have my say. So I have done. I've marked my X in the box, and God help them and us all if they don't win.

[@garryferrington811]

I don't think Blair had a choice on Iraq. A lot of very powerful people wanted to make money out of that.

[@davidty2006]

@@garryferrington811 And saddam was still acting like a dick and had to go at some point.. Should of been back in 91.

[@alexkodr]

😂 😂 I forgot about the Teflon Tony nickname

[@adamedge128]

I loved Blair! He is the Labour leader who gave hope when I was in my late teens. Voted Labour ever since. 😃😃😃😃🥰

[@Lloydb723]

Domestically Blair was amazing stop just tarrring him with Iraq

[@stuc734]

As Billy Connolly once said " The mere fact that these people want to be politicians in the first place, should bar them from being one" have to agree with The Big Yin on that one 😂

[@3baxcb]

It's the ones who make it their only career that deserve extra scrutiny.

[@stuc734]

@@3baxcb yup the "professional" politician never to be trusted imho

[@cheetara32]

I studied politics as a young naive person hoping to "make a difference"... then volunteered with an MP and spent time around other people wanting to be politicians and very quickly decided it was definitely not something I could be part of. The good ones will never make it to the top, a) they have a conscience and wont ,aliciously spread lies to get where they want to be and b) They recognise that any mandate they may want to bring in, is subject to agreement from big business and outside influence.... Democracy, sadly is mostly built on lies and big business / media influence. Power is with the people though, if they could just get over the apathy and self interest....

[@stuc734]

@@cheetara32 well said but what a sad state of affairs we as a nation and world find ourselves in....its also one of the causes of folk confusing celebrity with statesmanship or statespersonship even.

[@stuc734]

@DrMoriarty-sees-all sadly my terms of reference are not that all encompassing and as a proud Scot, Billy's is more relevant and at the time he said it, ever so funny as well. 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[@stonehorsegaming]

More food banks than McDonald's... Christ that is depressing. Juat checked and there are around 1,350 McDonald's, and over 2,500 food banks. The UK is a joke without a punchline.

[@dennisfraser6896]

Yes remember the thicko who voted tory in a bye election as the torys had given the people more foodbanks than labour.His mate was voting tory as labour had shut the a and e.and the police stations.the reorter asked who been in power for the last 12yrs.Oh the torys he said but was that Thick he couldnt make the connection.probably got his information from the sun or daily mail.😢😢😢😢

[@googlecontrolled]

We never had food banks when I was a kid in the 70's and 80's.

[@martinclark7935]

@@googlecontrolled We never had food banks when I was a kid in the 50s and 60s. Or McDonald's.

[@stonehorsegaming]

@martinclark7935 rationing from WW2 was still a thing in the UK until 1954. So not a great example.

[@jamoco1]

And they will increase under liebour

[@richardthomas8415]

"A very realistic Jim Henson puppet...minus any charm" 😂 priceless

[@_Katherine_D]

This was my favourite too 😂 I will be quoting this!

[@nobodyleftbehind]

Grinning Cheshire Twatt, f%cking genius

[@richardfairbrass5760]

Check out the election night armistice from 1997, they put that on a poster.

[@michaelmoraga2926]

😆

[@PhilScarr]

"Champaign socialism without the socialism..." Well said.

[@tonyduncan9852]

But badly written. CHAMPAGNE.

[@thechosenwon6762]

Unfortunately I think that's what we might end up with however still better than what we have now

[@blue47er]

Champagne that Starmer, Streeting and Reeves have pissed in. No thanks.

[@cnc-setup]

Or the champagne.

[@BrotherGiles]

But you will never get socialism with out the Champaign.

[@gramar7878]

'there are more food banks than McDs, and we're going to fix that and not by opening more McDs!' very good Sir, very good.

[@evan]

"Keir Starmer is like an untrained AI" this is so accurate it hurts

[@squared4440]

Yep, that's the state of British politics for you.

[@Derek_Garnham]

the next govt, whoever that may be, will be running on AI. It's the game changer that the general population still can't see coming. it's gonna be weird (good weird hopefully).

[@TheChannelofOrange]

When a politician is dull and not media trained that it is a good thing not a bad thing

[@mydogeatspuke]

Way too many people treat this like it's Love Island.

[@CowmanUK]

When said politician is a serial liar, broke every pledge he made to become leader, ducks responsibility for his mistakes and blames others, backstabs, takes funding from dubious people including US healthcare giants, and as a human rights lawyer says it's fine to cut off food & water to an oppressed people under attack... it's really NOT what we want.

[@jamestheferret]

Yes, I'm craving "captain boring" after brexit, covid, Boris, Truss... A normal ish boring, steady PM with no breaking headlines is what this country needs,

[@mydogeatspuke]

@@jamestheferret I too am hoping for not a single pantomime over the next 5 years. It would also be fab to see PMQs actually have the PM answer some Qs for once, instead of everyone just shouting at each other and cheering when their mate says something unkind. Bit concerned about the number of people who stayed on the other side, but glad none of them understand how voting works and that they can't do basic maths. Possibly a reason not to push more funding into education during the next term.

[@ToCoSo]

It worked for Boris, say nothing and let the otherside dig their own grave, Starmer has kept quite, not turned the investors against him and just been professional. I think we are all bored of personality politics, I dont need to like the guy who runs my local library I just want to have a library that works! Pie for President!!!

[@GreenSaxon]

That and a leader that doesn't think it's OK for people to be deliberately starved would be nice

[@prrrromotiongiven1075]

Yes, I expect the leading party to continue this strategy in future elections. It clearly works.

[@Flame1500]

Boring politics only works when things are going well. When things are in the shitter, you need someone who will make bold choices.

[@heartshapedfilms]

Did it? I am pretty sure he just let the right wing press evisarate Corbyn, when the whole media is agaisnt you its hard to speak though, he did himself no favours.

[@petergaskin1811]

@@Flame1500 Bold choices can be made by someone you may think is boring.

[@duncanmanser894]

The Blair impression was so spot on and took me completely off guard. 😂

[@antonycharnock2993]

The sci fi comic 2000ad did a spoof of him as a super hero called B.L.A.I.R 1 kzbin.info/www/bejne/gpirlIVtl7uGiZI

[@littleglimmer2325]

What has Labour ever done for us - Longest period of sustained low inflation since the 60s. Introduced the National Minimum Wage and raised it to £5.52. Over 14,000 more police in England and Wales. Funding for every pupil in England doubled. 85,000 more nurses. 32,000 more doctors. Brought back matrons to hospital wards. Child benefit up 26 per cent since 1997. Delivered 2,200 Sure Start Children’s Centres. £200 winter fuel payment to pensioners & up to £300 for over-80s. Over 36,000 more teachers in England and 274,000 more support staff and teaching assistants. Introduced child tax credit giving more money to parents. Inpatient waiting lists down by over half a million since 1997. Cleanest rivers, beaches, drinking water and air since before the industrial revolution. Free TV licences for over-75s. Free breast cancer screening for all women aged between 50-70. Free off peak local bus travel for over-60s. Free eye test for over 60s. Free nursery places for every three and four-year-olds. All prescriptions free for people being treated for cancer or the effects of cancer, and teenage girls offered a vaccination against cervical cancer. Over 42,400 more teachers and 123,000 more teaching assistants than in 1997 The Northern Ireland peace process The UK’s greenhouse gas emissions are now 21% below 1990 levels, beating our Kyoto target. .Over £20 billion invested in bringing social housing to decent standards .Police numbers up by 16,000 since 1997, alongside more than 16,000 Police Community Support Officers In Europe signed the Social Chapter and introduced measures including: four weeks’ paid holiday; a right to parental leave; extended maternity leave; a new right to request flexible working; and the same protection for part-time workers as full-time workers. Introduced the first ever British Armed Forces and Veterans Day to honour the achievements of our armed forces - both past and present.

[@tristandrew5903]

We can all pick snippets. How many homes were they building, what was the national debt, where's our gold reserves gone.

[@Adol3]

Ah yes, debt, please give me more. Yummy yummy.

[@hippyraverocker]

Don't forget taking the country to war on a lie, they did that too. Then gave the person behind it a medal instead of jail.

[@broken12smiles]

​@@tristandrew5903The gold was sold off to prevent the country from collapsing after hedge funds sold failing investments to some of our major banks. One of those who did that was Rishi Sunak. So maybe blame him more than Gordon Brown. And certainly don't vote for him.

[@broken12smiles]

​@@tristandrew5903The debt is much worse now as is our global trading standing and our whole economy after Brexit and Liz Truss have had their way with it.

[@gokuisard]

Main word 'Hope'. I have none in this election. Totally disenfranchised. The last time I had 'Hope' was before Corbyn got stitched by a terrified right wing media 😞

[@mcleandaniel]

And Starmer scuttled Corbyn's chances on purpose by forcing the second referendum election loser, thereby clearing the way for Starmer as PM.

[@shaun906]

he did it till himself, like most left wing purists, they expect the country to bend to them. he thought he could win by populism. starmer is playing the fptp fiddle. the aim is power not to win the argument but be in opposition. I prefer left wing policies, so this is not coming from a hateful place

[@alistairmackintosh9412]

It was worse. He was stitched by the supposed left wing media, mostly.

[@frank-caroltrott6131]

Please, drag yourself from the computer, go down to the Polling Station and vote for whichever candidate (as long as it is not Reform) is going to get this Tory shower away from power for good. You are responsible for Tories winning if you do not do this one public service. Forget about right, centre, left or far left, just get them out!!!!

[@alistairmackintosh9412]

@@gokuisard He was stitched by the supposed left wing media, moreso.

[@Rich6Brew]

My tactical vote will be cast at the earliest opportunity tomorrow morning.

[@edwardbernthal160]

@GaryS-gi9fk they might be sober but the will still be gormless sheep.

[@Toupret]

​@GaryS-gi9fk I envisage that scenario too, when they realise that they had to "register" in order to vote. I'd like to stay there all day, to help the ladies & gents who are volunteering organising the event. It is quite scary.

[@Toupret]

@GaryS-gi9fk And you, thank you.

[@edwardbernthal160]

@GaryS-gi9fk all waving their wetherspoons beer mats and singing it's coming ome. Have a great evening Gary.

[@googlecontrolled]

​@@edwardbernthal160And you think Lab/ Con voters are any different!

[@GarageItYourself]

Because American foreign policy has done a brilliant job of turning the UK into an America state. The UK is utterly forked!!!!!

[@balabanasireti]

Nah, Britain ruined Britain

[@lsd358]

😂 Tony Blair should be in prison seriously 🤮😡

[@Sally237-s4w]

Then so should Ian Duncan smith as he said it was the right thing to do.

[@user-op8fg3ny3j]

@@Sally237-s4w lock all them warmongers up

[@kamikazilucas]

what about boris johnson who said let the bodies pile high as he killed 200k people from covid

[@DellaWilliams-vo3ez]

​@@user-op8fg3ny3jThat's every Tory MP who voted for the war too, all but about 2.

[@alexwhite8449]

Jonathan Pie on Tony Blair - 0:51 “a centrist warmonger... lock & load, and go and kill some Iraqi women and children”. On Starmer - 3:06 “a human rights lawyer, it’s got to be a step in the right direction”, completely failing to mention that Starmer and the Labour party are fully backing an ongoing jen-er-cide (as are the Tories). That’s one subject Jonathan (Tom) has completely avoided. For a political satirist, and someone who claims to take issue with killing women and children, it seems odd that he has never covered this subject. I genuinely wonder why.

[@MrJimithee]

Pie-minister

[@dellaanniehughes4533]

Ok Liv

[@nathanaelsmith3553]

Lie-minister

[@christinejones7522]

This is a truly beautifully crafted masterclass of satire. One of Pie's best.

[@terryboland3816]

Hi Tom!

[@badenhowell3312]

I have to disagree with Pie about Corbyn. He wasn't unelectable. The public was just conned into thinking he was.

[@JonotJoe66]

And his own party sabotaged the elections. If they had put party/country first 2017 would have ended much differently. They got rid of my hopes when they got rid of Jeremy.

[@slartibartfast7921]

Agreed. The same with Bernie in the US

[@papps44]

I liked Corbyn until I saw his apathy towards remaining in the EU, my heart sank so he lost my support. Unfortunately this is something that never gets mentioned in the media and in general.

[@speleokeir]

He was divisive. And that usually means you lose the centre ground. And you need the centre to win an election. That's why the Tories look like they're going to get a pasting tomorrow.They ditched any moderates under Cummings, were scared into moving to the far right by Farrage.and lost the centre. And Starmer has said 'Thanks very much, I'll have that.' Corbyn was just a champagne socialist. Yet another out of touch rich public schoolboy, who's lived his whole life in his well off Islington Ward and who thought we were still in the 1970s. I don't have much time for Theresa May but she was spot on when she said he was a protestor not a leader. He was a closed minded idealist who based his decisions on his beliefs rather than evidence, facts and common sense. He also NEVER listened to any others viewpoints, innately believing he was right and everyone else was wrong. And that's NEVER a good thing. In that regard he was no better than the Tories and their warped ideologies, even if his blinkered lideology was a more humane one. He was also a hypocrite, rebelling against the whip a record number of times, yet when it came to Brexit he used a 3 fold whip rather than give Labour MPs a free vote. Without Corbyn Brexit would have been stopped as the Tories didn't have enough votes to pass it in Parliament (remember it was advisory only and had to be agreed by Parliament). IMO Corbyn betrayed ordinary working people by enabling Brexit and ensuring we lost all our hard won EU rights and resulting in the cost of living crisis and less money available for public services. Yes Brexit was a Tory idea, straight from Tufton St, to get rid of EU controls that protect ordinary people, such as human rights, workers rights, pollution & environment controls, food safety & animal welfare, etc, but the big corporations didn't like that as it reduced their proftis and stopped a US EU trade deal as the EU weren't prepared to reduce their standards to those of the US. But without Corbyn they wouldn't have got it through Parliament, the stupid old git. I'll never forget his part in it any more than Farrage and Johnsons, etc.

[@JoshCarterWeb]

My exact thoughts too. He started a massive political movement in young people

[@EddieTheH]

"Do you want your leg unnecessarily amputated at the hip or the knee" That's the choice in this election.

[@markricketts6957]

More like the knee or the elbow with these incompetents.

[@Captain-Cardboard]

Fun fact! The leg is the part of the body between the knee and the ankle.

[@bakakafka4428]

Plus sign here at the dotted line that you won't sue us if you get gangrene from the operation.

[@gordonmckenzie926]

Not by opening more McDonalds 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@alanhat5252]

It's likely to be the approach 😢

[@tonyduncan9852]

@@alanhat5252 CERTAINLY.

[@GoldPlay-Music]

superb line!

[@Cider4144]

Deffo would be the Tory solution if more Maccas franchises were donors to the Cons.

[@gordonstrong5232]

Best line 😅

[@terrymcallister14]

"Dear old lady who was worried about immigration." Erm...

[@PaulaXism]

I heard a nasty old bigot who reads the Heily Fail too much.. Luckily around these parts there are a lot of socialists and scousers who hide the vile thing under copies of the Mirror..

[@lynnejamieson2063]

I just hope that Starmer realises that many of Labour’s votes won’t be for him and his manifesto but against Sunak and his.

[@richardhowlett4097]

Yeah, just like they did against Jeremy Corbyn.

[@Ozzystrayroo]

So they are hate voting? Idk if that would be healthy

[@clementattlee6984]

He might, but he'll lie about it just like he lies about everything else. I will just have to look forward to the day those lies finally catch up to him.

[@davefloyd9443]

Tactical vote regardless. Vote the Tories out.

[@matthorrocks6517]

Why do you think they give you a choice? Trust them? Trust me bro. You never had a choice

[@davefloyd9443]

@@matthorrocks6517 Do you remember the poll tax riot?....😉

[@edwardbernthal160]

@@matthorrocks6517 never trust somebody who says trust me, especally those that call us ''bro''

[@matthorrocks6517]

@@davefloyd9443 no. I'm not even in Britain. The same suits run all these countries in the name of de mo crazy. I can't even form the word because utube will block it.

[@superrrnova1986]

Lol, imagine having the freedom to vote and you let a website tell you how to vote

[@darklighter66]

I have to vote Labour to get rid of Tory in my area....maybe Or dont and when Labour get in and involve us in warcrimes again I have the moral high ground. Decisions decisions

[@davidwebb4904]

Count Binface for Number 10

[@jamessmithson-br7rm]

Unfortunately he can only become an MP, he doesn’t have a party to form a government

[@davidwebb4904]

@@jamessmithson-br7rm we don’t call them parties anymore. We call them what they are…GANGS.

[@euanharrison7125]

He's probably in the club as well, as yet another piss-take. Fuck them all

[@lshannon41]

​@@jamessmithson-br7rm Isn't he part of the Monster Raving Looney Party?

[@marcusjohns5166]

Do you mean that Count Binface ISN’T another name for Sir Keir Stoma?!? They look the same, they sound the same, they’re 5:45 both full of garbage and they’ll both out of the house in about a week.

[@Law24809905]

3 trillion in debt & rising 5 grand a minute. Think the bankers will be in control regardless of the outcome.

[@frank-caroltrott6131]

£3 trillion or over £150,000 per household based on the Tory calculations. We had £700 million after Labour lost in 2010 and David Cameron saying that the debt would be at zero at the end of that parliament. Worse debt now after 14 years of Tory rule than after the second world war.

[@brandonquezada9523]

The banks have been in control for the last couple of centuries. All these elections are just distractions for a downward spiral. Same in many other western countries

[@matthewstrange3778]

But we had austerity!!! 😂😂😂

[@Law24809905]

@@frank-caroltrott6131 it's a race to the bottom . You'll own nothing & be happy.

[@terryboland3816]

@@matthewstrange3778 And covid. Forgot that? Bozo.

[@yodab.at1746]

"We don't need human rights, we're British".... spat my beer out laughing. So on point!

[@TheAcad3mic]

and thats the problem. We laugh at how they treat us.

[@yodab.at1746]

@@TheAcad3mic and then blame others for issues brought about by a system made to benefit the few, to (Conserve) the wealth.

[@maxdamagusbroski]

@@yodab.at1746 tosh

[@MultiSirpsycho]

God I love this show, it's so refreshing and entertaining!! A frank, brutal report on English politics and on politicians' incompetence on both side. I'm French and i wish this exists in my country. Jonathan don't want to dissect the situation in France??? We need someone to tell the truth and make people face the reality

[@charliearnold4706]

Brilliantly put Jonathan, you have brightened my day. I can't see Labour making too many changes, once the civil service big wigs have their say. But I am looking forward to the tories whingeing at each other and putting the blame on everyone else, about why they lost the election. Politics stinks, but what fun!!!! Keep up the good work.

[@paultaylor7082]

As ever though, it's all down to the money the Government has to spend, and therein lies the problem. Not only have the Tories emptied the piggy bank and the till, they've left loads of IOUS, one of which is the massive increase in the National Debt, now approaching £3 trillion. According to official figures, last year, out of an Exchequer spend of £1200 biliion in the UK, £120 billion more than was collected in taxes in the UK. Also the annual interest payment on this debt stands at around £100 billion a year, around 8% of total government expenditure, it's one of the biggest items on the list of spending, swallowing up a large amount of money needed for other things.

[@jonhanchett3278]

King of comedy and facts 🇬🇧🚀🌎👍🥳🏅

[@scottmclean8993]

Love listening to what Johnathan Pie has to say. More truth than any politician. Then who comes up next on the first advert but that grifter chancing “man of the people “prick Farage. Even the sight of him makes me feel ill.

[@boba2783]

Sunak will get his utility statements tomorrow and it will read, unfortunately due to repeatedly submitting false meter readings your power will be cut on the 5th of July

[@catritz]

“ *Now more than ever the people are responsible” . If their representatives “be ignorant, reckless and corrupt, it is because the people tolerate ignorance, recklessness, and corruption* “

[@tullochgorum6323]

Seems that Mr Pie will still have plenty of material once Labour take over!

[@patrick-west]

Yeah... Not sure there's been a politician in the last ... Forever, that wouldn't provide some fodder for him, But there's certainly no political party that would get away clean

[@JME3699]

I hope so. Hope he doesn’t become ignorant and pretend that everything’s fine now his party is in.

[@patrick-west]

@@JME3699 yeah... I'd be surprised, but I've been surprised before

[@nickwalter9630]

thank goodness for that.

[@neilhallam8028]

He won't he never says bad stuff about them this is just the obvious

[@moos5221]

I'd vote for the most boring person in existence any day if he is a good man, intelligent with ethical worldviews and a heart in the right spot. I don't care if the person is media trained, rich or has great charisma. I'm voting for a person to run the country, not for someone to look great when they bend over to Putin or Trump. I need my president/prime minister/chancellor to be able to do paper work, not comb his hair well. I don't want populism, I want realism. Is Stahmer boring? Great! Have my vote!

[@adamcole4623]

Spot on. I feel Pie had to be critical in some way to avoid being politically biased, but aside from a rather watery manifesto and a leader bereft of charisma, there wasn't much for him to say.

[@alanhat5252]

Starmer bends over to Netanyahu

[@markricketts6957]

It's not that he's boring, it's that he doesn't stand for anything. Which is still better than aiming to fill your pockets and devil take the hindmost.

[@MarKeMu125]

It's not Starmer you have to worry about... It's all his corporate lackies who want to sell out the country... Wes Streeting privatising the NHS, Ed Miliband's GBE slush fund... But at least things might run smoother and probably deal with the small boats issues.

[@danh4538]

I was with you until you said Starmer. His stances on Gaza have shown him not to be a good man or ethical. I wish I were wrong so I could continue to vote labour but this is not the case.

[@andimmm]

So on point and cutting lying sharp with all of your election special. Let's hope for a brighter tomorrow.

[@daves4026]

Seriously spot on. I hope Labour are watching and taking notes

[@bakakafka4428]

Nah, they're already lining up to fill the pockets of the wealthy all over again. No time for watching Pie.

[@wellthatwasdaft]

I’m in Rachel Reeves’ seat, almost the Labourest of Labour seats that ever Laboured in Labour, so I’ll probably be going either Lib Dem or Green for the sake of at least putting some modicum of pro-EU and anti-FPTP pressure on them. I’d rather they felt some kind of pressure from the left than only seeing the Tories and Reform as the places they can gain and lose votes from. If there was any doubt at all about the outcome, though, I’d be voting tactically to get Labour or the Lib Dems in, whichever one was most likely to keep a Tory out, or unseat an incumbent Tory.

[@rosscannon5834]

Reform for me

[@speleokeir]

@@rosscannon5834 You do realise Reform are a fascist party? Farrage is admirer of both Hitler and Putin and is often a guest on Russian state TV. Farrage sings Hitler youth songs and has said Hitler got it right and the Jews should be gassed. He has also been to every far right and fascist convention in Europe and N.America. He's admitted he was inspired by a speech from notorious racist Enoch Powell to the extent he chaffeured his car for a while. He's also a conman, only interested in getting his snout in the trough. As an MEP he boasted how he could exploit the expenses system to get £250k/yr by pretending his mistress, then his second wife was his secretary. Fortunately he was found out and forced to repay the money, if he hadn't he would probably have been prosecuted for defrauding the tax payer. He also voted himself a second pension also paid for by our taxes, one of only 17 dodgy MEPs to do so. Most of the others were UKIP too. For 17 years he grabbed his large salary and expenses as an MEP but almost never attended and completely failed to do his actual job. He was on the fisheries committee but only attended ONE of 42 meetings! Does that sound like someone who'd going to work hard as your MP? Or someone who's going to grab as much dosh as he can and then fuck off, whilst laughing at all the useful idiots who voted for him. Fun fact: Farrage made sure the rules of Reform mean he's leader for life. Unlike every other party he can't be voted out or deposed by party members. That should make it clear to anyone he's a wannabe dictator. For anyone who wants to know more of Farage's history i recommend this informative video by Led By Donkeys. kzbin.info/www/bejne/o5fcmoahbbedmZo&pp=ygUObGVkIGJ5IGRvbmtleXM%3D

[@DellaWilliams-vo3ez]

If everyone thought the same way, Labour would lose that seat. I don't understand your theory.

[@thefuturist8864]

@@DellaWilliams-vo3ezthe theory works precisely because most people *won’t* think that way. As for the main point at the top of this thread, our Parliament renders any opposition largely pointless as any Government with even a small majority can easily win any vote called. This was, in fact, the only real problem with the Blair years: policy would be passed with little risk of opposition, and especially where Iraq was concerned even a united opposition against Labour wouldn’t have achieved anything.

[@alecwaddy]

I’m also in Rachel Reeves’ seat. When did the boundaries change? Pudsey and Calverley went to Stuart Andrew by about 400 votes in 2017.

[@kevinciccone445]

"More food banks in the UK than there are McDonalds. We're going to change that...and not just by opening more McDonalds" Brilliant! 😂

[@johnward7578]

see the tories wheeled boris out they must be desperate

[@diceman199]

and what did he do? lied again

[@TalesOfWar]

@@diceman199 Boris LIED? ... anyway.

[@crazydaze27]

The Green Party has the policies the country needs, but not the votes or money to implement them. We need huge capital expenditure to jump-start growth, and to fix the health and care service, transport, energy and the environment, the immigration service, the rivers and seas, and the courts. And we need a change in the political system to enable longer-term cross party concensus, to end short-termism and the temptations of harmful lobbying by big business. No-one is bold enough to stand on that platform.

[@frankiewardale4324]

we can thank 2 party politics and FPTP for stopping anything meaningful from happening. We're all fucking fed up of the status quo that's been leeching this country for years and yet there's seemingly nothing we can do about it. Lies and scapegoating from both sides, media in the pocket of the government and the government in the pocket of media. No surprise the only people getting richer are the ones who all know each other from private school.

[@slartibartfast7921]

Agreed. I couldn’t in good conscience vote for either Labour or Tory. I read a meme today that said voting for either is like changing your tie after you shat your pants lol. Both parties have the same owners.

[@thingi]

Allowing biological men with penises to frequent female changing rooms and female toilets purely because they put a dress on that day is not a policy this country needs thank you.

[@calj2405]

I can't vote Green Party as they are anti-nuclear. Their immigration policy is rather idiotic too.

[@andylucas1175]

I've voted for the Green Party since the 1980s, however, the Green Party will never be a force for change within government, the Capitalists simply will not allow it to happen. On Thursday we have the chance to vote for change but it will not be a change that will ensure a better future for the people of our nation, it will be a vote for our favourite corporate sponsored political party, as chosen for us by the media barons. It is worth noting that politicians, a,k.a. corporate business agents, can be purchased by any external state, business or wealthy person, in exchange for a lucrative consultancy, a hefty donation to their political party or the expansion of their personal off-shore bank account. All the politician has to do to ensure a steady flow of the filthy lucre is condone their puppet-master's actions and abandon any form of compassion towards their fellow human beings (though the abandonment of compassion is kept solely for the poorest human beings in society). Please note: Those on low or minimum wage levels cannot afford to buy their own politician, however, they can vote for them or rather for the media baron's chosen multi-national corporation sponsored candidate.

[@davidpoole8840]

Another brilliant one by Jeremy Pie he knows what is what, right on Jeremy 😊

[@michaelrch]

The fact that he was once a human rights, lawyer, is rather eclipsed by the fact that he was also chief prosecutor, and then embraced the authoritarian clampdown on protest with even more vigour than the Conservatives. This man is not interested in your rights. He's only interested in your votes and power.

[@JonotJoe66]

Human rights lawyer who supports genocide, collective punishment and apartheid. Labour will never again get my vote.

[@mattsyson3980]

Chief prosecutor still has a rule book to follow which is written by parliament/other lawyers.

[@wolfen210959]

By all means change history to suit your narrative, 'cos if that is fair and just, then I can point to the headlines in the Tory Daily Mail supporting the Brownshirts in the 1930s' as proof that the Tories are all nasties, and were complicit in the holocaust. If you think that Sunak is a better PM, consider this, he was a hedge fund manager in 2008 who made most of his fortune from almost bankrupting this country, and this is not made-up rhetoric, it is actual fact. In fact, Sunak has a proven track record of gambling with other peoples' money to make fortunes for himself and his rich friends, unless you think the VIP lanes during the epidemic was a fair way to apportion government contracts to newly manufactured companies, that imported dodgy PPE from China, making vast profits that were squirreled away in offshore accounts.

[@Ozzystrayroo]

A chief prosecutor that got Assange in jail no less

[@johnshannon13]

Sir Keir Starmer morals, seriously. He said that Israel 'has the right' to cut off power and water in Gaza. The sir keir tells everyone that he did not say this, though we all heard and saw him on television. That's the calibre of your knighthood

[@janeflute8694]

Human Rights lawyer? Ha REALLY???? Complicit in the gravest crime against the people of Palestine. Genocide. Yes this is the future prime minister of the UK. We're FKED......

[@ahyaan2552]

Yh they love to watch the world burn, between sunak and starmer its difficult to tell who is the bigger devil

[@slartibartfast7921]

Yeah, the Labour friends of Israel have their man in charge.

[@owood2288]

Indeed. Labour has lost my vote for that reason alone. If they do win, hopefully it’ll only be by a very slim majority.

[@teddyboysdontknit810]

@@owood2288 keep trying lads, but I'm afraid you are backing a lost cause.

[@ZoomStranger]

always brilliant. Thanks Again and good luck with the election result!

[@gordonmckenzie926]

Brilliant as ever

[@RunOfTheHind]

The trouble with Labour is that they are no longer a working class party, but a middle-class one. My town, Margate, has been swarmed with a load of ponces from Hackney...and that's exactly who they've parachuted in to be MP. I cannae see her being bothered about the effect the Airbnbs and 2nd homes of her mates is having on the rents of the working and benefits classes. Their attitude is "Just move to somewhere else in the country you can afford". Yet they're all very "right-on", of course. Just not when it comes to the gentrification and social cleansing of a now-fashionable town they want to live in. They hold anti-racism events while ignoring the fact that they pushed out the Roma community, who all got Section 21'd so the landlords could sell for a pretty penny to a fashion victim ex of Shoreditch.

[@arghjayem]

Cannae? Are you Scots? If so it’s kind of ironic for a Scot in Kent complaining about ponces from Hackney moving in! 😂

[@richardhowlett4097]

@catscan2022 Reform want to dismantle the NHS, any working class should not vote for that. The problem is getting worse for working class because of the tory crooks. Watched 'Homes Under the Hammer' this morning and a two bed mid terrace was improved dramatically and was valued at a million quid, that is absolutely bonkers.

[@Whatareyouareyou]

@catscan2022 Immigrants aren't doing shit to wages as they are capped by the gov (nmw, nlw) and if they are taking your jobs it's due to you being shit at them and nobody wants to hire your chav selves. Worked cash in hand in prime immigrant jobs and never had an issue finding work, now work bottom of the rung jobs you would say all the immigrants are taking and still never have an issue finding work, you know cause I have a half decent cv and actually turn up for work instead of being a lazy chav layabout. Skilled immigrants aren't an issue for you as they aren't taking working class jobs so no need to mention them past this sentence.

[@richardhowlett4097]

@catscan2022 No working man can afford to pay premiums for health care, or for their families. A family of four's premiums would be around £100.00 per month minimum, for the average worker, that would cripple them. There's a cost of living crisis and you want to make it worse! The NHS was started to ease things for workers. I don't know what wage/salary you receive, but are you paying for private healthcare?

[@RunOfTheHind]

@@arghjayem Nah, I just occasionally speak scotch or northern. And it's not where you're from, but where you're at. People that have moved here just because they were told to by Time Out or because of getting FOMO round the water cooler at their pointless media job and have contributed to my rent raising by 10% this year can do one.

[@markandrews6054]

It's like a choice between a bucket of cold sick and a bucket of cold sick. I despair. Got to the point I no longer want to be in this country. The politicians have ruined it for everybody.

[@thequeenofspades]

I don't care if Starmer is boring. He's a politician, not an entertainer. I care if he's competent.

[@3baxcb]

Britain has seen what an entertainer for a prime minister could and couldn't do. But then again, ripping off a scene from the movie Love Actually was low hanging fruit, even for Boris Johnson who was probably one of the most slapdash candidates in any political campaign ad.

[@Cruddy129]

@@3baxcb and after him came Liz Truss, a person so useless for the job that she holds the title of the shortest running PM in history of the uk

[@stephendudman1422]

Here’s to a bit of boring.

[@ahyaan2552]

He isnt competent, but we will see in the next few years

[@dominokid7996]

What makes you think he’s competent ? The crown prosecutor role he bangs on about ? Little small examples ? Tories not perfect but have a detailed how to plan . Labour got what if plans

[@TihetrisWeathersby]

Jonathan Pie is the true voice of reason

[@terryboland3816]

Hi Tom - shamed out of using your usual "international treasure" line? 😉

[@TihetrisWeathersby]

​@@terryboland3816 are you responding to the wrong comment, who the f is Tom?

[@terryboland3816]

@@TihetrisWeathersby Strange how two "different" people have suddenly asked the same question, never having asked it before. Almost as if ... surely not???? 😉

[@TihetrisWeathersby]

@@terryboland3816 this is why we need to fund the NHS, Mental health is very important

[@terryboland3816]

@@TihetrisWeathersby That's weak Tom. Just like your Putin-funded routines.What tax did you pay on your Russia Today money?

[@nickjones9867]

Did he call her a nazi? I just thought he called her a bigoted old woman, which in fairness, she was

[@nomchompsky3012]

Pretty much. What she said WAS bigoted - the excuse seemed to be "she's old and white so she's entitled to be a bigot every now and then".

[@CravingBeer]

The "We're going to end rough sleeping by the end of the next parliament" was in the Tories 2019 manifesto. How did that work out for them?

[@JonotJoe66]

Yeah they wanted to turn them into criminals. A bit like voting to say Rwanda is a safe country. So it is because they say so, regardless whether it is. I was waiting for them to vote on the sky being pink with neon polkadots, because they said so 🙄🙄🙄

[@michellebyrom6551]

They tried to make roughsleeping illegal and failed at that. Just as well. With nowhere affordable to go to folk would have ended up in prison with 2 to a bed on a rota basis. Wandsworth is at 163% of capacity, so more than 3 people in every cell designed for 2.

[@mydogeatspuke]

@@michellebyrom6551 at least they tried...? Badum tss.

[@jobyhill8615]

Their no money in helping the poor and homeless 😢 that’s why

[@rivgacooper5330]

There is no money in helping the poor, but there is a cost of poverty, additional mental health issues, reduction in potential and productivity. It is much harder to measure but make no mistakes poverty costs.

[@CowmanUK]

​...and the rich don't have to see the effects of homelessness, increases in mentally ill, etc because they spend more time sitting on yachts harboured somewhere nice

[@MoFields]

“Human rights lawyer” huh!

[@davidellis4084]

1. Get the Tories out. 2. Force Labour left 3. Replace Labour if they prove to be Tories in disguise The BIGGEST thing is, get the Tories out. That should cause a quantum shift in the right direction. Getting to the final destination might take longer, but you will never get there without taking that first step.

[@thefuturist8864]

I’m on board as far as the second of your demands are concerned. It would be beneficial to have each political party represent a specific ideological perspective instead of constantly angling for the centre ground. The problem, of course, is that in our system lack of a majority means that a party can’t get anything done. We’d benefit greatly from a European-style PR voting system, if only to give the smaller parties a chance to have their voices heard, but the two main parties aren’t likely to go for that anytime soon (though if the Tories do badly enough tomorrow and next time around they might start becoming more sympathetic to a non-FPTP system).

[@badwolf7777]

Replace them with who? labour won't go left. The left has been expelled. The party has been bought, it IS just Tory in a red rosette. Corbyn should set up a new version of Labour. I actually miss Cameron... sounds daft but he was socially minded, unlike Sunak and the rest. They make me sick

[@Pike2]

You think a party led by a former Pabloite needs to more to the left?

[@cheesecakeisgross4645]

4. Get Reform in!

[@tim7052]

Again, another beautiful and succinct analysis of the UK political landscape!! Love it!! 👍

[@chrisellis1232]

😂 yeah, Sir Keir, head of the COS re Jimmy Saville and the grooming gangs

[@sarahbarton2089]

Jon ath thon, Jon ath thon Pie- eye It scans almost like Jer em mee, Jer em mee, Cor byn. I love you. I loved that part of your rant asking, pleading, begging for Hope, for Plans, for Ideas for our poor country from.the deadbeat Starmer-ites. God give us all STRENGTH.

[@TerryHoskin]

All we’ve got is three shades of Tory to vote for in this election. Starmer = red tory lite Sunak = posh rich standard issue blue Tory Farage = turquoise racist Tory. Can’t get excited about voting for any of the clowns.

[@gillb9222]

I'd like to think that voter apathy will be much lower this time. I'd like to think that people are angry enough to take 5 minutes to go to the voting booth this time

[@CactusCowboyDan]

Probably true. But I’m still not voting. Don’t get me wrong, I am angry at the state of this pitiful excuse of a country that I unfortunately have to live in. But it’s like I’ve burned out all my anger and now I just don’t care anymore. Because I believe no matter who is in power, nothing will change. Nothing will ever truly get better. Changing the government will be like changing a nappy. The next one will get full of crap like the last one.

[@geoffsmith1479]

'Voter apathy' is the standard media phrasing to dismiss every non-vote as the fault of the public, not Westminster. I won't be voting for the 'least worst' of a terrible set of local candidates to be herded off to Westminster to nod through the corporate-captured party that they have more loyalty to than the constituency that voted them in. Our system is broken, the party system is broken, the media is broken and I won't be lending my tacit approval to the status quo by participating in a thoroughly rotten system that has nothing but contempt for society, and works for the corporate class, regardless of which colour rosette the country thinks looks prettiest. Am I wrong to withhold my vote? Well that's a debate that can be had, but to call it apathy is certainly inaccurate.

[@CowmanUK]

There will be lots of voter apathy because only one of 2 party's will either rule or lead a coalition, and both of those party's are almost identical, both will further privatise the NHS, both will punish the poorest and serve the wealthiest, both will drag us into US wars to make weapons companies lots of money. The S*n is backing Labour ffs

[@Dacheerio]

⁠@@CactusCowboyDanur a an idiot dude.

[@reisclef]

Totally on point as always. Great to hear not only the bashing of the tories but the total "meh" feeling of Labour this election too. Shows that Pie can be just as relevant regardless of the results tomorrow! Keep it up!

[@cameronclarkhull]

I'm tempted to vote green, the manifesto is literally just "we're not the tories". It's not good enough

[@stephengraham1153]

Yeah, but under FPTP if you vote green you'll more likely get tories, or worse still reform. And you know what reform think about climate change.

[@MarKeMu125]

Greens manifesto is Clement Attlee style investments in the country, fuck yeah!

[@alanhat5252]

You obviously haven't read the Green's manifesto, it's a breath of fresh air!

[@allegory6393]

I live in a London LP stronghold, so my voting Green won't be punishing the Blatcherites, but I'm voting Green nevertheless. This is the first time in my 37 years that I'm not voting Labour. 2017 and 2019 were the only years where I actually voted FOR the LP rather than against the blue Tories. But all this 'lesser of two evils' must come to a stop. As a principle it is good only if applied sparingly, if it becomes the base upon which one makes political decisions then it leads to cynicism and nihilism, and the latter only favour the far right.

[@ObnoxiousOtter8]

@@allegory6393precisely. Well said. Ends justifying means is no philosophy at all.

[@evanman1011]

I'd say vote for pro-worker, anti-war, anti-genocide parties /candidates 💚

[@Chrissaces1]

This vid hits the nail on the head pretty much exactly why I’ve never voted

[@francoisnel7769]

He so right, Labour you are in, but dont fuck it up.

[@cd0u50c9]

Fucking up implies they care for you and I.

[@Sally237-s4w]

Well they’ve a lot of fuck up to sort out…the mess the tories have made…people hopefully will,feel the same as a caged animal being let out .

[@user-op8fg3ny3j]

They already have with Starmer's stance on Gaza

[@chimera8421]

They will.

[@gordonstrong5232]

The problem is the tories have left behind damage that will take a generation to fix.

[@John-hh8lq]

Stamer has said DAVOS is more important than the government!! You have been warned!

[@mattsyson3980]

Actually a rather astute point made there that the global economy DOES run to the whims of the ridiculously large corporations and even large countries have very little power to prevent some takeovers. The OIL producing nations have a complete stranglehold on the planet essentially because EVERYONE NEEDS oil in some form or another, be it petrol for transport or plastics or heating (diesel).

[@DjDolHaus86]

I'm also worried about the Dalek menace

[@gerardjlaw]

What's the problem? That Starmer recognizes the obscene power of the Davos Set? Would you prefer that he stick his fingers in his ears and sing "La, la, la,..."? That's the real world, and we need to understand it to be able to fight against it

[@teddyboysdontknit810]

Davos 1917 wasn't that a TV series?

[@howareyoualiveifyoudonteatbeef]

Tory spotted in the wild!

[@cassella1970]

I love your journalism!

[@garyslater1243]

"If voting made any difference, they wouldnt let us do it." - Mark Twain

[@wizdeas6064]

Proportional representation was never needed more...

[@peterebel7899]

Will not happen.

[@jamescunningham1774]

4:49 one of the best, most inspiring political messages I've ever heard. Why have I never heard a real politician speak with such passion?

[@papps44]

Hopefully my new MP will be labour and I will be making an appointment at a future constituency surgery. Local people need to make it clear to their new labour MP that hard work is required and we are listened to and things get done at a community and national level. Don't screw this up labour you have been warned by me and millions across the land.

[@Alex-ni6xs]

Feel like Pie went easy on Starmer here. So much he could have pulled Starmer up on such as undemocratic selection practices, lying his way into leadership and continued lying, Starmer's unpopularity, large acceptance of free gifts from lobbyists and that he's filling senior positions for people who previously lobbied for utility firms. It's interesting that as a vote share Labour actually looks set to get a lower share than in 2019 but FPP ensure Labour majority

[@Michael-me6qu]

"Nursed his own mother to health...cant really find fault there." 🤣

[@K4rmaRules]

Starmer a human rights candidate who thought it was OK to cut off food and water from Palestinians.

[@theotherside8258]

If Palestinians say they are at war with Israel, and chose to start the conflict and keep Israelis hostage, why should Israel give them anything? No other country in the world would give supplies to somebody they are at war with. Gazans volunteered for this, ( they support Hamas and its official genocide policy) why should anyone else worry about them?

[@K4rmaRules]

@@theotherside8258 You're insane. Stop talking.

[@cd0u50c9]

Let's be honest, two parties being juggled up and down for the last 60 years between them ain't going to cut it any more. They both stand for complete apathy and disregard for ordinary working people who pay the taxes.

[@user-op8fg3ny3j]

We need proportional representation

[@ReverendFlatus]

Vote Loony.

[@rosscannon5834]

Reform for me

[@paulbird3235]

That's the problem, it's ONLY ordinary working people WHO pay taxes.

[@Bodom1after1midnight]

@@rosscannon5834 🤮

[@thruknobulaxii2020]

Starmer’s mission is to enrich himself to the level of a Sunak. Then, to protect and empower Israel and to welcome them into a power-sharing role in British government. Duh!

[@CynicalLemonade]

I’m glad we’ve got the opportunity to vote for someone who comes across as a bit bland. We’ve had far too much ‘personality politics’ over the past generation: from warmonger Blair to Lord Snooty Cameron to that mad imbecile Johnson to Magic Grandpa to the utterly insane Truss… I’m all for someone with a calm head and a smart brain. ‘More Starmer’ is what I say.

[@caroltodd6691]

you me and the hundreds i work with Labour for all us

[@iandennis7836]

Absolutely right...we've SEEN what "rizz" has to offer and it can go fekk itself....I want boring and competent for the next 10 years or so.

[@quillo2747]

Starmer is a Blairite. Blair has been advising the tory foreign Office. He'll be given a permanent office under labour.

[@iandennis7836]

@@quillo2747 yes, he may well be but, and this is SO important, he ISN'T A FEKKIN' TORY. I know to the purists (perfection is all important even if it gets in the way of good enough) that he's lacking in some aspects... well boohoo, I want HIM as PM, not some Tory c***. Sigh🙄

[@EricWoning]

Wait.... wut? The numbers tell a vastly different story... 1997 Tony Blair - 13.518. 167 votes 2001 Tony Blair - 10.724. 953 votes 2005 Tony Blair - 9.552.436 votes 2010 Gordon Brown - 8.609.527 votes 2015 Ed Milliband - 9.347.273 votes 2017 Jeremy Corbyn - 12.878. 460 votes 2019 Jeremy Corbyn - 10.295. 607 votes How 'unelectable' was Jeremy Corbyn when he got more votes in 2017 anyone else in the 20 years before.... only the first Tony Blair, which was after 18 years of Tory rule did Labour get more. It's not that he was unelectable... it's that we have a piss poor voting system.

[@_Katherine_D]

THANK YOU!!

[@karengrimaldi4789]

Labour did more to discredit JC than the tories, from the inside. Jeremy Corbyn: The Big Lie. Platform Film on KZbin..... interesting and uncomfortable watch.

[@shareen_shareen]

Glad someone said it. 👏👏👏

[@TheAli985]

Now look at the number of votes that the Tory party got in those elections. 2017 and 2019 had higher turnout than the previous elections (and 2024) and more wanted to vote against Corbyn (or in support of Brexit) than for Labour. You can criticise our voting system but that doesn't change that the public had two opportunities to vote for Corbyn and in both of them more people voted for May or Johnson. On the other hand both Blair and Starmer did actually get the most votes and apart from 2005 but over 10% more than the next party.

[@nomchompsky3012]

People like you would've consigned Labour to yet another defeat in 2024, because you don't understand the UK's electoral system - it's based on constituencies, not national vote share. Corbyn increased his vote in safe south-of-England Labour seats, and lost tons of votes in contested seats everywhere else, especially in the north of England. It was a suicidal strategy which only played to his base. He turned millions away from Labour, and they went to the Tories - hence BoJo's 10% voter share advantage over Corbyn. Hence Labour had their worst result in their history.

[@douglaspate9314]

Frighteningly always spot on

[@mAcroFaze]

My main issue here is just how much Starmer's very blatantly supported the genocide going on. My head says, "Get the tories out. My heart says, "This guy's a tory in sheep's clothing..."

[@Mcgiver699]

A human rights lawyer who sold his humanity to an Apartheid state. The country has to choose between a little crook and an empty suit. Yay!!!

[@baloodarling486]

You know his wife's Jewish, right?

[@alanpartridge1385]

Great. You can sit on the sidelines having a little moan about it for the next five years.

[@Mcgiver699]

@@alanpartridge1385 Good I will take your advice.

[@clementattlee6984]

@@alanpartridge1385 You think it's ok to sell your soul for some shekels? Says more about you than Mcgiver really.

[@willtricks9432]

Are you forgetting South Africa, Saudi Arabia, Zimbabwe, Australia? Countries we have had a long and close relation with which have their fair share of Apartheid moments. That sir IS politics. Never good or bad. Never fair or free, just millions of individuals taking a risk on what they can see. I can see clearly the Tory party is very bad in so many ways and the Tory party also worked with these same countries as did the Liberals and the LibDems. Now the Tory Government are working closely with Rwanda, how does that sit with you?

[@FredericScallan]

Keep doing what you’re doing you’re a breath of fresh air ,putting into words exactly what we all think

[@lkyuvsad]

"A bit like an untrained AI or Jim Henson puppet" 🤣 Luckily I'm in a position to vote Green without worrying about the Tories. Never been less enthused by a Labour leader. Even Corbyn at least understood what needed to be done, and you mostly knew where he stood and where his red lines were. I don't want to sound like a Marxist, but can't help noticing that the main problem we have at the moment is that the rich and private companies have all the money we needed to run our hospitals and councils. We have historically high per-capita real-terms GDP, the money's still there in the economy, it's just in the wrong bloody place. Current Labour seem relatively happy for that to continue while they reallocate crumbs between people dying in hospitals and people starving in food bank queues. At this point I'd be relatively happy to vote for a candidate with even the same beliefs as Blair or Brown.

[@SlowhandGreg]

There's plenty of money around if they start looking for it there's no end of tax loop holes and tax breaks littered all over the code. Also we failed to collect 42 billion in owed tax last year. The BOE mandate needs changing slightly as well and the way government accounts for debt needs to be altered with regard to infrastructure and assets that's why Brown got lured into PFI

[@stephengraham1153]

I never knew where Corbyn stood on Brexit, He was sat on the fence for so long he had indentations in his bottom. Even his speeches supporting EU membership sounded like a reason to leave the EU.

[@leehenry5764]

You like radical islam then, good luck with that😂

[@leehenry5764]

​@@stephengraham1153He was a brexiteer at heart like many of his voters, but the party had other plans.

[@antonycharnock2993]

Whatever you do don't mention the N word to this Labour party. I'd vote Green too if I thought they had a chance locally.

[@jolindley9715]

The thing is, I want "boring", the country needs breathing space, some "boring, steady" time to breathe. This country has PTSD and complex trauma. It needs to heal and grow. and Starmer may not be flashing lights, sparkle and glow sticks but by god we've got an adult, a parent, a stable person to govern and hold this country through recovery - then let's navigate from there. The rest will follow - just in the same way a person recovers from trauma, too much and too many unrealistic promises will set it all up to fail...and the Tories will relish in that, and then where will we be. Slow and steady my friends. That's how meaningful change is embedded ❤

[@Andrew_dot_pls]

".. and not just by opening more McDonalds!" 😂😂😂