Electric Air Mobility news AAM education, Joby vs Archer and their fundamental differences, part 2.

Рет қаралды 820

Electric Air Mobility, dedicated to AAM.

Күн бұрын

Electric Air Mobility news is a site dedicated to Advanced Air Mobility (AAM) education where all things AAM, urban air mobility, vertiports, and their infrastructures are explained. This is part 2 of Joby versus Archer and how their strategy widely differs in how they approach the AAM market. See here for part 1: • Electric Air Mobility ...
and the article here: www.electricai...
See here for the part 2 article: joby-vs-archer-advance-air-mobility-different-strategies-for-urban-air-mobility-2
@ElectricAirMobility #AAM #UAM #evtol #vertiport #aaminfrastructure #eSTOL #eCTOL #energy #aviation #aerospace

Пікірлер: 29

@charlescole-p9v 3 ай бұрын

Carbon fiber IS mainstream. I have used it on every large passenger aircraft I have worked on. I really like the Joby.

@ElectricAirMobility 2 ай бұрын

Yes, it is. Friends of mine work at Spirit. I consulted wit a carbon fiber maker for Tesla parts. It was really a cool experience.

@terminal99 4 ай бұрын

It's good to hear that you saw the Joby S4 and Archer Maker transition from vertical to winged flight. It's a little concerning that the Midnight has not done it yet. The Midnight is 3000 pounds heavier than the Maker. Hopefully there isn't a problem. Do you have any guess as to when Joby might get full FAA certification for the S4?

@ElectricAirMobility 3 ай бұрын

Both are on track and yet despite the superficial similarities, you spotted it well, they are different. The article and video I posted here was to talk about the fundamental differences in business models both chose to follow. I'm thinking about doing a more in-depth one about their propulsion choice difference, which is very revealing. It's not too concerning that the Midnight hasn't transitioned yet. Archer got a late start compared to Joby and has caught up very quickly. As to that question about FAA certification, I'm sure you're aware of the differences between getting prototype certification and mass produced certifications. The first is fairly easy, all things considered. The latter is exponentially more difficult and wildly more expensive. It will take time, many years. That's why a lot of companies chose the STOL/CTOL configuration route that is easier to certify. Even Jaunt Air Mobility's compound aircraft is easier to fully certify than a pure eVTOL.

@itisim 3 ай бұрын

Joby my pick

@ElectricAirMobility 3 ай бұрын

I think we need to open a bet!

@itisim 3 ай бұрын

@@ElectricAirMobility lol I picked the leader

@terminal99 4 ай бұрын

I think the key with any company being successfully vertically integrated is to have a good management team that can solve the problems that pop up. Hopefully Joby is up to the challenge.

@ElectricAirMobility 3 ай бұрын

Yes, you're right, good management, the right resources, and of course, the correct funding. Joby was very judicial about its strategy. Although many questioned its full vertical integration philosophy, they have now partnered with Skyports and others to off-load that which would have dragged them down. It's a safe bet to say they'll be around for a long time, save for any unforeseeable and extremely silly mistakes they could make.

@mike33398109 3 ай бұрын

Archer has been tight lipped about Midnight's sound. EVTOL Research (www.youtube.com/@EVTOLresearch) took it upon themselves to film both the S4 and Midnight, taking off and landing. You should listen and revisit what you say at 6:06 Midnight sounds quite loud and annoying to me, especially in contrast to the S4. Archer Midnight: kzbin.infoUgkxwp97T8TyLPA1mbdhk9izNhKFWLFcLO1T?si=RENWfm2Iyjypl-V1 Joby S4: kzbin.infoUgkxUDHh_DzjpvpeeFhiJJ9f89s4Kyona-pp?si=MmzQRt5npeiI_CLi

@mike33398109 3 ай бұрын

Also, at 9:09, you discuss that Boeing was unable to vertically integrate. Weren't they broken up by anti-trust regulators? Since this is an international field nowadays, I very much doubt that Joby will suffer the same fate.

@ElectricAirMobility 3 ай бұрын

Yes, I still think the S4 is much further along in development and the Midnight will change a bit. You make good points.

@TheBagOfHolding 3 ай бұрын

I think they will both fold.

@ElectricAirMobility 3 ай бұрын

Why?

@TheBagOfHolding 3 ай бұрын

@@ElectricAirMobility they will not be able to type certify them.

@ElectricAirMobility 3 ай бұрын

How are getting to that conclusion? The FAA and EASA are actively working on that. All my talks with them confirm this. HOwever, yes, it will be more difficult, expansive, and expand than expected, but thing out of the usual or aviation.

@TheBagOfHolding 3 ай бұрын

@ElectricAirMobility there isn't any real evidence that any evtol can lift the weight of people and their battery for 5 full minutes anywhere on earth. They use jumpcut edits and music to look like it. If someone can't build an evtol with a basic light skeleton frame and have a person sitting directly on a battery for several minutes I doubt they can with a canopy and seats and all the safety equipment and radios and air conditioning and stuff needed to certify. Where is the best evidence you can find that it's even possible? Why doesn't joby take a few hundred pounds of weight that isn't extra battery a few miles on an unedited vid and raise their stock? According to the square cube law the bigger they are the harder they will be to fly. If you ever see proof, please let me know.

@TheBagOfHolding 3 ай бұрын

@@ElectricAirMobility I'm not talking about an electric helicopter BTW those could possibly lift a person for several minutes.

@EarthCreature. 3 ай бұрын

Both companies are worthless half measures of ideas. Lilium is the only eVTOL that will win the day in the end.

@ElectricAirMobility 3 ай бұрын

Interesting. How do you come to that conclusion?

@itisim 3 ай бұрын

@@ElectricAirMobility his brain is on drugs

@itisim 3 ай бұрын

Put down the pipe

@TheBagOfHolding 3 ай бұрын

Lilium is bunk. They are begging for money right now and will fold

@BlueEyed888 3 ай бұрын

Lillium is on a non-recoverable downward spiral due to insurmountable design flaws. The acoustic signature is completely unacceptable and due to disk loading, the engines can provide neither safe nor stable flight.