Electric cars: 20% VAT for on-street EV charging is 'nuts, isn't it?' | Quentin Wilson

'We're penalising people who can't charge outside their houses by making them pay 20% VAT on public charging compared to 5% VAT at home. Now that's nuts, isn't it?'
FairCharge Co-Founder Quentin Wilson high VAT costs for on-street EV chargers.
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[@DrJams]

So many of the new houses are being built without drive ways or enough street parking. They hate private car ownership

[@G0ogs]

A lot of new house being built are having charger points included or at least the cable is being installed in readiness.

[@captango]

That's just maximising profit, that's why the councils like contractors building flats. Five time the income for council tax compared to single house.

[@davidbrown9093]

Public transport is and has always been over priced and dam right crap. Let politicians use public transport.

[@martygough]

They do, but there is another way to look at this, purely from a size angle, a logistics angle, the amount of cars cannot keep growing as it is

[@DrJams]

@@martygough Too many immigrants, new houses are tiny, expensive and have few bedrooms.

[@bikecurious9163]

People listen they don’t want you to have a car full stop. They want full reliance on government for everything

[@andrewoliver8930]

Not with the shite public transport we've got.

[@michaelicornelius]

@@andrewoliver8930 and that wont change no matter what they say!

[@hittitecharioteer]

We need new political parties for ordinary people. The batteries are too heavy still: heavy wear on suspension, brakes etc. And they have lost much of their efficiency within a very few years DESPITE the pretence otherwise. So many issues around them. Massive expense too. The bottom line: motoring will be for the rich only.

[@andrewoliver8930]

@@michaelicornelius But Gove has just promised to level it up to the same standard as London.

[@andrewoliver8930]

@@hittitecharioteer Political parties cater for the donors. The donors of political parties are rich. It won't happen.

[@adamgriffiths4022]

Government does not want you to own a car.

[@ogodei70]

They do get to tax cars a lot.

[@markjones4704]

but citys do have too many cars now when i passed my test in early eighties there was 15 million on the road under half than now

[@joeclarke7048]

That is definitely the bottom line.

[@Brian-om2hh]

Exactly how will the Government benefit from that?

[@andylewis7360]

@@Brian-om2hh You'll own nothing and you'll be happy. Apparently.

[@cyph3r76]

The government loves to charge the motorist for anything they can get away with, EV seemingly will be no different.

[@JonathanCheeseman]

Exactly, and with the lost tax revenue from the decreased sale of petrol they'll need to make up the money from somewhere. That 'somewhere' will be the electricty people put in their cars instead of petrol.

[@johnnorris1983]

3 years battery life. And 3/4 of a brand new price battery change and wot stupid fool NEEDS one. Battery tech over rated for the price. The battery bombs go off on the street. KABOOMB. Tic tic tic

[@johnnorris1983]

We haven’t got power stations anymore. We import at stupidity cost from Russia and France. .. Welcome to zero carbon. Thumbergs wet dream brought to life by the Disney studio called nos 10 downing st

[@Richard482]

@@johnnorris1983 3 year battery life? Where did you read that garbage?

[@fionamurray2295]

The Government doesn’t WANT you to drive. Get it? Got it? Good!

[@fionamurray2295]

Good for elites. Meanwhile, the rest of us can’t afford these EVs.

[@gathonar]

I am looking at a new mg zs ev 2022 in 2 years, I currnetly run a 6 year old now BMW i3.

[@Richard482]

Myself and my wife earn less than the average wage and we have an ev on finance. The Ora Cat starts at £25k

[@Richard482]

@@gathonar With the price of used car rising, it might be worth trading it in now?

[@Brian-om2hh]

So buy a used one. They cost less. I've seen EV's on sale for less than £6k

[@fionamurray2295]

An EV in Australia costs a minimum of $60K which is unaffordable for the majority of people. Factor in vast distances, and a lack of charging stations and it’s just an expensive dream.

[@phildiamond8549]

The whole idea is nuts - and will not work, until the technology has advanced considerably - unless the intention is to make owning a car a luxury for the rich.

[@Edithae]

That's exactly their intention. Great Reset - "you will own nothing and you will be happy". They want to force us all onto public transport.

[@bongsound]

That is exactly what they want. You will eat the bugs, you will sleep in the pod, you will own nothing and be happy.

[@markphillips2076]

Exactly what the motor industry wants: they want to keep ownership (and control) of the car and you lease it. To be honest that's really the only way to sensibly own an EV because of the costs to replace a worn out battery. Essentially every EV is just a battery pack with a car bolted on cost-wise. The question you have to ask is will the industry eventually supply refurbished EVs at reduced costs for the likes of us poor people?

[@williambowling8211]

Agreed. Let private industry compete to bring the cost down. Or not. Or another competing technology.

[@edwardkerrigan5356]

If this evolves to any great extent, motoring for people even on moderate incomes, will be a thing of the past. I can't see public transport being efficiently, or sufficiently, expanded to an extent that will make up for this, so it's a damn poor lookout.

[@gusmlie]

Batteries and the materials for them are not environmentally friendly, this is the next fad after diesel.

[@Bob-ts2tu]

the only fad i was ever into was flares and platform shoes in the 70's. in retrospect that had more credibility than the EV con.

[@andy9841]

Maybe now. That doesn't mean battery technology won't change

[@Brian-om2hh]

Extracting, refining, transporting and burning fossil fuel in vehicles burning it at only 30% efficiency isn't exactly good for the environment either, And that's before we even mention the occasional huge oil tanker spillage we sometimes see..... Old electric car batteries can be recycled, and the lithium and cobalt can be 90% recovered and reused in new batteries. There is no way to recycle and reuse burned petrol and diesel......once it's gone, it's gone for good.

[@Brian-om2hh]

@@andy9841 And technology almost certainly *will* change. We didn't leave the Stone Age because we ran out of stones.

[@davidwinkle4168]

Very true. The fact that 100 square miles of rain forest in the Philippines is being destroyed to mine the said materials.

[@Richard-fm1cx]

Has Quentin Wilson missed the fact that over the last year

[@Bob-ts2tu]

but.. but.. he's wealthy and a motoring journo paid to sell the sizzle not reality - his m8 Elon rang him up & told him

[@richardpeddie2060]

NUCLEAR the darling of the . . . . GREEN LOBBY why? It's the least polluting generator known to mankind

[@XenonJohnD]

No it was 35.9 per cent from renewables. Wind / solar already cheapest source of electricity. As grid scale batteries become cheaper it expected that it will possible to store some of this energy. It is expected that electricity will eventually become very cheap unlike anything else that you have to burn. The Gov't will claim all the praise for going green, but it may well just happen anyway as will just be cheaper.

[@sparkymark75]

The same Cobalt that is used in oil refineries?

[@edwardkerrigan5356]

@@XenonJohnD When has anything ever become 'very cheap'. We've heard those sort of stories before - won't happen.

[@petermanning1864]

What a con, it's all to stop the poor from owning cars.

[@Brian-om2hh]

What difference might it make to the Government whether someone less wealthy owns a car or not? I don't see the logic.

[@MURDOCK1500]

The government will agree that 5% vat at home and 20% at a charging point is unfair. So they'll make home electric 20% vat to even things up. It's how they work

[@JonathanCheeseman]

That sounds stupid but we know that's what will happen.

[@Brian-om2hh]

And that'll put millions more people into fuel poverty, and thousands of pensioners will freeze to death. What a brilliant idea. Good job you aren't in charge.....

[@JonathanCheeseman]

@@Brian-om2hh Umm, he's saying that's what the government will do, not what he'd like to do.

[@SuperEnzobenzo]

The price of fuel will decide the future of electric cars of which we have no control. Its gone up considerably in the last 6 months and we have to just deal with it. I’m a mobile mechanic and hoping I get another 20 years not having to worry about electric cars.

[@Richard482]

You could just take part in a training course?

[@cyrilsquirrel2874]

@@basiltozer9078 don't you believe it, they need servicing just like any other machine

[@markreed9853]

@@cyrilsquirrel2874 Yes, EV's do still need servicing but its around 40% less currently.

[@maxflight777]

Why ? What are you worried about ?

[@-Dash-]

I have been a main dealer master technician for 20 years and have ZERO interest in owning an electric vehicle.

[@richardpeddie2060]

I wonder why that would be £££, my EV needs almost NO maintenance, for example my brake pads are 6 years old, 45K miles and are no where near needing replacement MY MAIN DEALER quotes me £380 for a service, for a service which means they change the washer water a quick scan and NOTHING needs done !

[@pemj7360]

@@richardpeddie2060 just wait till your ev has a massive brain fart as tech usually does and your main dealer hands you a bill for thousands 😉

[@jamonit7169]

@@richardpeddie2060 No one is stopping you owning an electric vehicle whereas come 2030 ( great fanfare in 2020 when Johnson moved it from 2035...) the government is planning to ban the sale of new petrol or diesel vehicles in the UK and by 2050 ban them outright... that's impossible IMO and the people who will pay the highest price are becoming aware of it.... just see how they perform with HS2. How do you think EV's will perform when they are expected to do 13,000 miles a year which is the average annual mileage in the UK....almost twice what you do....

[@pokerman111111111111]

Exactly its those unreliable petrol cars that pay your wages with stupid main dealer prices to constantly replace parts. That a big factor why new ones are so expensive ,the makers know once you have bought one they wont be seeing the purchaser regularly to flog more bits.

[@Brian-om2hh]

If we'd been around, we'd have heard similar 130 years ago. " I've been breeding the finest horses for decades, how can something that runs on petrol possibly take the place of living breathing horses"?

[@RupertBear412]

15-20 mins for 300 miles my arse! I'm sat at a rapid charger with my BMWi3 for anything upto an hour and thats only when there's not a queue of Teslas in front of me! - in recent months we have been infested in my area by Teslas who are using the public charging network - big range means big batteries which equals a lot more time at the charger! - the infrastructure simply cannot cope at the moment and its worsening by the day

[@richardpeddie2060]

i3s are slow chargers using dated tech, I KNOW I HAVE HAD ONE FOR 6 years BUT AN HOUR !!, I do a full charge at a 50kw in 40mins no problem As for range/charging speed, with access to a 350kw charger a KIA EV6, if the temperature is moderate will do 20-80% in under 20 mins But let's be honest as an i3 driver you aren't really interested in range, the SUPERB i3 is a commuting city car it's what it was designed to be, the average commute is 12-15 miles but for most of us it's far less I DO VERY MUCH AGREE however that the charging network needs fixing NOW BEFORE DEMAND STARTS, these Electric Hubs need to built ASAP These 350kw chargers are like hens teeth there are only 23 sites in the entire country that have them, if they expect us as a country to move to EVs that has to change NOW

[@Bob-ts2tu]

the Land needed to cope with volume is very expensive, and just isn't there in cities anyway, & that's before the construction costs to wire the hub up. what will we have to do? drive 10 miles out of town just to get charged up, how's all that going to work i wonder

[@pokerman111111111111]

On a 350kw charger with a EV that can handle it it will be easy.please listen to what he actually said and not just cherry pick. Please sell yours so i dont have to wait behind you

[@kevtheargonut]

@@pokerman111111111111 … Says the guy who recommends investing in a 5-6k ancient Leaf or Zoe to substantiate Wilson’s claim that electric cars are affordable. How long do you want to wait behind that while it charges… every 60-80 miles. 🤣🤣🤣

[@pokerman111111111111]

@@kevtheargonut AS said previously i dont wait to charge i charge while doing something else and 60-80 miles lasts me a week or more,average mileage is 20 a day. and it the ancient ice vehicles that are the most polluting so if we swap them for ancient EV's the we will see abetter enviroment.

[@richards4986]

What happens when your stuck in a motorway traffic jam, its dark, mid winter, heaters on, lights on, wipers on, and no way to keep the battery charged. I foresee loads of abandoned cars on the motorways. At least with petrol cars, we have usually enough to cope in those conditions

[@Bob-ts2tu]

Just one of 100's of issues associated with the EV con

[@XenonJohnD]

Please do your homework. You are sitting on humungous battery. It will run the air-con literally for days. Tesla heating/cooling works in similar way to a fridge and actually pulls heat from the air and uses very little power. There are videos on YT with people testing these things out.

[@matthewbaker6434]

Richard, as said before do your homework. Battery will last a lot longer than a petrol engine to keep heaters running. Also consider an EV can charge overnight at home every night so you are more likely to arrive at a jam with a “full tank” than a petrol car.

[@Bob-ts2tu]

@@matthewbaker6434 assume people dont forget or have home access points or the delay is unusually long. it's not like you can bring spare batteries like a gallon of juice is it

[@michaelbarton2401]

Most of the more modern EVs regenerate power in traffic jams. They use a tiny amount of battery power for heating and when stuck still in traffic the motor uses no power unlike an idling petrol or deisel.

[@Blkfnail4404]

Stop burning things? Does he know something we don’t? Where does he think the power comes from? Renewable 😂😂😂

[@markreed9853]

In the UK we are at around 40% renewables and getting better. Saying that EVEN in heavy coal powered grid like Poland its STILL better for the environment over its life to drive an EV BUT every counties electricity is getting greener all the time!

[@maxflight777]

You are a clown! ICE cars burn ⛽️…. that’s what Quentin refers to.

[@maxflight777]

Biknf… You need to think about efficiency too!! It simply uses 20% of the energy an ICE car uses.

[@robotstobor3388]

don't forget nickel mining, its hardly gentle on the environment.

[@chrisbarrow9909]

Bit like drilling for oil then?

[@Brian-om2hh]

Neither is drilling for oil and extracting it....

[@Brian-om2hh]

And don't for get the horrendously filthy oil industry, and the occasional huge oil tanker spillage.....or the decades of cobalt mining the oil industry has carried out, and continues to do so......

[@alanedwards3180]

What about the report Volvo has just released . They make both normal cars and electric on the same line . They have stated the carbon footprint just for making an electric car is the same as doing 90,000 miles in your traditional car . Funny how that's not being reported . I remember in the 80s the government pushing everyone to drive deisel cars saying there better for the environment yet at that time black clouds we're bellowing out of the back ,now they are cleaner than ever they want rid of them . What a con

[@colinstuart6708]

They’re still too expensive and to correct Quentin Wilson Hydrogen cells do not emit any co2

[@Hitstirrer]

Not at the point of use. But making the H2 does. And even though they have invented carbon capture tech it has been shown not to work. And if you look at obtaining the raw product to make H2 before you start to produce it that's another huge CO2 release.

[@richardpeddie2060]

Over a 5 years EV are cheaper, it's been proved many times and that even includes the soon to be announced price hike kzbin.info/www/bejne/mIiacqKsopyYqac And how do you MAKE H2 ? . . ELECTRICITY. H2 is viable for commercials like buses and HGV's for the car user it's a non starter, VERY expensive £80K for a family car !

[@Brian-om2hh]

@@Hitstirrer And manufacturing hydrogen fuel cells requires platinum.....

[@nowbeing1]

No you need oil and gas to make electricity. Green energy is not efficient you need build it.

[@neathletics2439]

Has Quentin stopped to consider the additional Power Generation requirements? There's 32.5m cars in UK. Less than 400k of them are battery electric. Now consider that the Government is closing the base load coal & nuke stations for its Net Zero lunacy. Plus the additional metals required such as copper, nickel, silver etc. What'll happen to those costs? So now electricity costs are rocketing. Surprise, Surprise!!! Now anyone racing out to buy one of those high cost battery electric cars??? You won't be able to afford to charge it but hey, you can still virtue signal whilst riding your push bike to the shops!

[@pemj7360]

Having worked on cars that are over 60 years old and are still alive and kicking. How long do people think these high tech over priced things will last . The repair costs will be through the roof . Hence we have a throw away society. Not only that the batteries are not exactly environmentally friendly. Battery tech needs to improve and car companies need to be looking into self charging tech now not later . I'll stick with my old thumper

[@antoniopalmero4063]

Tesla now use LFP which will probably last for decades and 500000 miles until a replacement battery is required. The old pack would go on to stationary storage for many more decades before it’s recycled .

[@pemj7360]

@@antoniopalmero4063 the technology will give it always does . Buy a smart phone. Laptop. Pc something will give and that's when the bills get huge . The batteries might last years but there will always be a chance you will end up with a bad one . Technology is designed to fail. All about the money 💰

[@antoniopalmero4063]

@@pemj7360 , life’s too short , just get what you want and enjoy it .

[@Richard482]

@@pemj7360 That’s why they come with warranties, in case you get a bad one.

[@pemj7360]

@@Richard482 best of luck . Always read the small print.

[@Supposedlyimrightwingnow]

Wait till they start taxing the hell out of electric cars.

[@stuartr7832]

Absolutely. Remember back when diesels were touted as green because of the fuel consumption. That was until loads of people bought them.

[@hectorshouse7348]

Dang Cletus…we can’t generate enough electricity to keep the light on, never mind run electric cars 🤡

[@Brian-om2hh]

The National Grid wold disagree with you. Buy hey, what do the people who run the grid know about running the grid eh?

[@hectorshouse7348]

@@Brian-om2hh we buy expensive electricity from France (nuclear) generated, whom regularly threaten to cut us off. Nice try🤣

[@Brian-om2hh]

@@hectorshouse7348 Only around 11% of our electricity comes from France. We generate most of our own, with around 40% being from renewables now.....

[@hectorshouse7348]

@@Brian-om2hh only 11%….and you fancy increasing it with a huge boost to electric cars? I’m lost…give the working classes a break, we can’t afford the costs now!

[@richardoakley8800]

The UK can .make 86 giggawatts.. 35 million cars and 495000 hgvs could happily draw 350 giggawatts. Or put it another way.. Royal mail and tnt could trip out vast chunks of the UK.

[@tytzup5397]

Few years ago we were being told to turn the telly off standby at night and fit energy saving bulbs at home. Glad there's enough clean energy now to power all these cars.

[@NeoFreshair]

If the wind doesn't blow or not enough sunshine then electricity must be imported from France, which means higher electricity bills!! I don't trust politicians nor scientists pushing for electric vehicles as they're paid by manufacturers to promote electric vehicles!!

[@terryharrison5185]

Totally nuts this bloke... Ask him where the electricity comes from to charge them...

[@Brian-om2hh]

From the same place the oil refineries get it .

[@davedavis3746]

We’ve known about electric cars for over a hundred years, if they were better than what we have, we’d already be using them! It’s about government control, don’t fall for it.

[@FrostSpike]

Battery technology has improved quite a bit over the last century or so. So there's that to consider too.

[@dougharvey9766]

Yep you will get the option of powering your home or charging your car

[@davedavis3746]

@@FrostSpike Fair point but charging them up hasn’t changed much and the quicker you do it the faster they wear out!

[@FrostSpike]

@@davedavis3746 There's some new technology coming out the labs now that help Li-Ion batteries repair the damage that happens when they're fast-charged. Recomposes the anodes or something like that. That should help with the long-term lifetime of the cells. Disposal & recycling of these batteries is a real problem (until someone can do it at an industrial scale to reduce waste and make it resource efficient - but that needs massive investment), so that's going to be necessary to reduce the need for that.

[@XenonJohnD]

@@davedavis3746 True. But you charge them slowly overnight. Fast charging (and it is really fast) at a supercharger is only required if you are on a very long trip.

[@calvinstrom8862]

Most people can't afford regular cars. What about the mining of the materials how much added pollution will that be. When every one goes electric it may cost little now until you have millions of electric cars needing charge the demand would skyrocket the amount they would charge. The idea that this would be so easy to do and be cost effective is a little unrealistic. These vehicle are also not well adapted for colder climates like Canada.

[@Bob-ts2tu]

exactly. where are all the rare earth minerals going to come from long term?. EV's are just a con and the 'latest thing' anyway. the infrastructure wont be there for charging, and people are too 'wired in' (sorry for the pun) to the convenience of petrol

[@kevinblythe2192]

It's a con. The more EVs on the road the higher the cost at fast charging stations due to increased demand. Resale values will be shot because of the replacement cost of those expensive 'non green' batteries that are made up of rare expensive metals. All this needs to be factored into the cost of ownership besides the expensive purchase price up front. The whole idea will not work without massive ONGOING government subsidies using YOUR tax dollars. That's why billionaires are behind it. They want those 'forever' government subsidies. They don't give a shxt about the environment.

[@madtwatter2]

You will own nothing and be happy ....hold that thought ...you will hear that again

[@Brian-om2hh]

It will produce about the same amount of pollution as all the cobalt mining the big oil companies carry out. They need cobalt to remove sulphur during the refining process. Why have you never complained about that before? And EV's aren't "adapted" to cold climates? Cobblers. Try watching Bjorn Nyland's KZbin channel. He's driven lots of EV's to the Arctic Circle and back...

[@calvinstrom8862]

@@Brian-om2hh so if it produce the same amount of pollution what are we talking about. If you actually watch Bjorn you would notice that he went in fall and was no where near any actual winter conditions. These vehicles are useless in actual winter weather. Tell this same story to Canadians who have trouble starting the cars in minus 20 weather. They don't work in winter conditions. It is hard enough to start a regular vehicle in these conditions. Maybe you should should stop shilling for tesla

[@rogerwilson6367]

Unlike Quentin, the average man in the street can't even afford to buy an electric car. That should be the discussion. This man talks nonesense.

[@christopherhopkinson6312]

Have you noticed that all these rich people are pushing for these electric cars because they don't want us working class people driving.

[@Richard482]

Me and my wife are working class and we’re on our second. And this man is definitely working class: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pH-VmIuBiJ2FaqM

[@pokerman111111111111]

i work nights in a factory and live in a terraced house with no home chargers and i have and manage to run one. just because you have given up on life doesnt mean everyone has.

[@JG-fv9bv]

"In the future people's freedom of movement will be confiscated via environmental taxation" .......Henry Kissinger

[@Brian-om2hh]

It's a good thing then that Henry Kissinger doesn't formulate or uphold UK laws.

[@bongsound]

I wonder which EV companies this guy has shares in

[@Bob-ts2tu]

he's a motoring journo, paid to spout his crap, and who ever believes what they say anyway

[@superchargedxjr]

Quinton's changed his tune! Went to a Jaguar dealer event some years back and he stressed that hydrogen was definitely the future not electric. Pushed the point!!

[@geecars6263]

Who’s “Quinton”?

[@Kefuddle]

Hydrogen has more of a future IMHO. The greatest feature of hydrogen, is it can be manufactured in quantity on site, so the network is disparate, scalable, resilient and can be optimised. Efficiency will come with time.

[@geecars6263]

@@Kefuddle The trouble with hydrogen is that the overall efficiency of an HFCEV is 22% which while better than a conventional ICE car which only converts 13% of the energy required from source to end use, is far behind the 73% of a BEV

[@Brian-om2hh]

General Motors were trumpeting hydrogen as the "wonder fuel" 35 years ago......

[@Kefuddle]

@@Brian-om2hh Gasoline is the wonder fuel. Hydrogen is the only viable long term alternative that we know about.

[@seph6272]

What do we do about the trained motor technicians?, the petrol suppliers, the offshore jobs and all the other support services. Don’t give us the nonsense about retraining the people?. Where is the power coming from?. Charging cables along streets will cause injuries to pedestrians through tripping hazard.

[@jaydee7614]

Well said!

[@Richard482]

@@jaydee7614 Why is training a motor technician ton how to service an ev, nonsense? If everyone stopped smoking tomorrow which would save a lot of lives, would you be concerned for those working in the tobacco industry? We have always had jobs which don’t exist anymore.

[@Brian-om2hh]

Which is why there is now Government funding available to Local Authorities whom receive requests from the public to install a grid in the pavement, to allow a charging cable to pass under rather over the pavement. The grids take around 45 minutes to install. The funding is also available to Councils for the installation of free standing bollard and street light mounted chargers. You have to begin the process by requesting one first though.....

[@seph6272]

@@Richard482 you miss the point!

[@seph6272]

@@Brian-om2hh absolutely wrong 45 mins to fit a grid across pavements. Consider prams, wheelchairs, blind people, people with walking aids?. Where is the power coming from? Windmills? - good luck with that!. Where are the products and scarce materials coming from to enable all this EV stuff - CHINA !. Who are the beneficiaries?. CHINA!. CHINA is building 1 new coal fired power station per week to meet demand from thE west. The Climate Change, flat earth brigade, do not realise that CHINA does not give a damn about CO emissions, and they will continue to send all of their CO into the atmosphere which by the way is OUR ATMOSPHERE also. What are we going to do about it?. Keep funding CHINA, buy their products, and place the CO Tax the UK citizens!. Best of luck with that also!

[@davidhall4914]

When everyone goes electric , How will the government deal with loss of revenue, the majority of the cost of petrol is TAX.

[@Brian-om2hh]

The Government will introduce a system of road tolls to replace lost fuel duty. Don't you watch the news?

[@rockfan3299]

Don't forget the road tax that is lost! Khan is looking at mileage technology for London so he can take money from all drivers!

[@q3y6]

"You don't have a petrol pump outside your house", no Quentin because when I fill up my diesel car it'll do 700 miles before I need to fill it again and that's with the heater on in freezing condition. Oh and the car cost me a third the price of your tesla. Hydrogen is the way to go.

[@spokes1018]

When he said a hydrogen engine produces carbon and was unchecked I realised he doesn't know what he's talking about, the only byproduct from hydrogen combustion is water.

[@petertraveller6421]

@@spokes1018 but first you have to make that hydrogen, there is no magic place where just can get it. Making it and transporting and keeping it extreme cold can cause pollution too.

[@spokes1018]

@@petertraveller6421I appreciate what you're saying. However, so can the fossil fuel produced electricity thats needed to charge the electric car. If we're going to talk about extraction of energy, manufacturing and transfer of electricity is far more costly in terms of wastage

[@Brian-om2hh]

So hydrogen is the way to go, is it? Ironic you mention the cost of electric cars there. A Toyota Mirai costs £50k plus, and a Hyundai Nexo SUV (these are the *only* 2 hydrogen cars you can buy) costs £68k!!!! I never understood the point of using huge amounts of electricity to produce hydrogen in a rather inefficient process, to then use a fuel cell in a car to convert it BACK into electricity at a *loss* to provide current for an electric motor to drive the said car's wheels. Why not just skip the inefficient hydrogen production process, and all the transportation the hydrogen requires, and simply charge the battery in an EV in the first place? After all, both the Mirai and the Nexo are basically electric cars anyway, but with the added complexity of a fuel cell. And have you seen/read a road test of the Toyota Mirai? The fuel consumption is pitiful......

[@q3y6]

@Brian yep hydrogen will be the fuel of the future not bev's. Luckily hydrogen is one of the most abundant chemicals in the universe unlike lithium which is not only limited but also highly damaging on the environment to mine and uses huge diesel powered equipment to extract. Hydrogen can be produced by on and off show wind turbines and does not put a strain on the already inadequate electric grid. Literally able to produce hydrogen out of thin air. The boss of Toyota had recently spoken out about the stupidity of switching to bev's.

[@davidcraig2532]

Electric car movement is a total con. The carbon footprint between manufacture of the car, especially the battery and where the electric is actually sourced from to charge the things is crazy. No ones talking about the environment impact of sourcing the precious materials needed for the powerful batteries in the first place.

[@Bob-ts2tu]

that's because it does'nt fit the narrative, but many of us know that.

[@Brian-om2hh]

Nobody talks much about the big oil companies mining cobalt either. Even though they've been mining it for decades....

[@drstrangelove4998]

Wilson is lucky enough to afford to take a risk on a 50k EV. He’s totally wrong. He says he’s not asking for subsidies, is he serious? How is it making it fairer, EVs are already subsidised to the absolute hilt, they pay nothing to the exchequer for anything, no fuel tax, no road tax, free parking, even the purchase price is subsidised. All paid for by the lower paid ICE drivers who pay £40 billion into the system. I used to be an admirer of Wilson, but he’s an idiot here. He’s a hypocrite, going on about stunning speed? Look, speed costs energy so it’s not green.

[@Richard482]

I got a £2k subsidy for my ev, that has since dropped to £1k. Why would we pay fuel tax? I’ve never got away with not having to pay for parking.

[@Brian-om2hh]

The oil industry is also subsidised to the hilt, with billions of pound of taxpayer's money every year...... If you feel EV drivers are getting subsidised, then the answer is simple enough. Get an EV and quit complaining.....

[@drstrangelove4998]

@@Brian-om2hh The oil industry isn’t subsidised, quite the reverse, they are criminalised. I should buy an EV, did you not listen to thus broadcast, most cannot afford an EV. There’s so much wrong here, ultra high chargers shorten battery life. I’m not complaining, I’m perfectly happy for you to buy an EV, why do people have to shill for them, talking nonsense like Wilson. You know that ICE drivers pay £40 billion in fuel tax and other dues like road tax, into the exchequer? Volvo last month sent out a press release saying their EVs had such an environmental cost that it took 9 years before they became green, Google it. After 9 years the battery pack is dead, and their disposal at end of life is going to be a disaster.

[@drstrangelove4998]

@@Richard482 I don’t know where you live, parking is often subsidised or free for EVs in London. You think you should not pay fuel tax, that’s illogical, why shouldn’t you pay taxes like everyone else, what’s more, you should pay ‘road tax‘ too. ICE drivers pay £40 billion into the govt exchequer, how long do you really expect to freeload?

[@Richard482]

@@drstrangelove4998 Crewe, no free parking round here.

[@frankieboy302]

Elon Musk (Tesla) paid for the Supercharger network, because he/they realised that no-one else would do it. This one of the key reasons why they are so successful..

[@davidsworld5837]

and now he has a network that when he opens it up to every one . will make money. to provide more chargers. all people want is to have a working charger, and more than 1 at locations that work. if you build it they will come. more charge stations more people buy electric cars

[@paulblayney6641]

Ra Kunta, I hear what you're saying, there is definitely some cost down the line, however, from what i understand, the contribution of fossil fuel electricity production, for the entire UK grid, was overtaken by renewable electricity production in 2020, and i believe this is set to increase significantly over the next 5 or so years. So i would say that an investment in the car charging infrastructure can only be a good thing going forward.

[@Brian-om2hh]

But others *are* now doing it, so Tesla's advantage won't continue forever..... Gridserve for example, are installing 350kw chargers on their 100 planned UK sites. Tesla's Superchargers are 250kw I believe....

[@davidsworld5837]

@@Brian-om2hh Yes but tesla do it faster. gridserve are coming up to a year of having the Gateshead site planning permission approved and all that is there is a new fence. things are taking too long

[@Brian-om2hh]

@@davidsworld5837 In the meantime David, Gridserve already have 3 sites up and running, with 2 more under construction in Norwich and at Gatwick Airport.......

[@roywall8169]

The 20% VAT is reasonable. EVs have a massive carbon foot print. Consider it a carbon tax. 🥳😀

[@richardpeddie2060]

If EVs have a MASSIVE carbon footprint what do ICE cars have.... have you a got expression BIG ENOUGH ?

[@drstrangelove4998]

Volvo a week or so ago put out a press release saying their EV production costs so much, it takes 9 years to pay back the cost in pollution for every single car they make. This is from a car company who are committed to EV manufacture. By 9 years the battery pack is useless and will need to be replaced, possibly at a cost more than the car’s worth, it’s pointless. Google the article if interested.

[@davidsworld5837]

Have you missed out all the processes and travel petrol or any fuel does to get to your car, and that petrol in the car produces heat in the engine that is wasting fuel on some thing you do not want or need. you miss all the parts that a car engine has, that need to be replaced. if you think that over the live time of a car. fuel cars make more carbon than any ev does.

[@edwardkerrigan5356]

@@richardpeddie2060 From the start of manufacture to scrappage, the carbon footprint of an EV is about the same as a conventional car, plus there is the colossal ecological damage caused by the mining operations for the battery materials.

[@Brian-om2hh]

ICE vehicles also have a massive carbon footprint, from the day they leave the showroom until the day they get scrapped. On each of those days, crap comes from their tailpipe....

[@okcantbelieveit294]

The UK cannot produce enough ELECTRICITY to charge all EVs if we swop all current vehicles over . That’s an absolute fact which cannot be disputed!! This fellow, whoever he is, is talking absolute twaddle! The interviewers are falling over themselves not to ask any pertinent questions! Road user charges are coming and they’re going to be eye watering!

[@terencereeder9830]

We don't have enough petrol & diesel the fuel all the cars at the same time either .

[@Brian-om2hh]

The National Grid would disagree, and as they're the ones actually running the grid, and not you, then I'll take their word over yours.

[@okcantbelieveit294]

@@Brian-om2hh . Take a simple calculator, work out how many kilowatt hours of energy is used by the National fleet, private and business, then work out how much electricity generation that will be required to electrify all transport. We’re importing, or at least going to import, a fair quantity of our needs. Now turn off the Norwegian and French supply, as they’re EU countries and quite bitter towards us, and we will be in deep smelly stuff. Quite frankly the UK is pretty much stuffed which ever way you look at anything here these days. With so many terrorists already residing in our country it would only take a few kilos of something, like Semtex , strategically placed, to completely shut the country down. Can’t borrow a can of electricity now can we?

[@Brian-om2hh]

@@okcantbelieveit294 Not once anywhere did I see any mention of the UK's oil refineries, or the huge amount of energy they use.......

[@gxhall]

Net Zero is a Con

[@douglasmacrae8947]

Manmade global warming is a hoax.

[@fionamurray2295]

Might be good for cities, but try this in Australia with OUR vast distances.

[@Brian-om2hh]

That's an issue for the Australian government to address...

[@badcampa2641]

This man is an eco-disaster, 18'000 miles this year for what? Absolute pillac

[@philipwood9526]

But we still rely on electricity generated from coal and gas. Britain must generate our own clean energy and wind will not do it.

[@markjones4704]

how many gw now max do you think on not many days is generated by coal now, out of the max demand of 47gw in january between 5 and 7pm

[@Brian-om2hh]

Not quite, Britain gets just 4% of it's energy from coal now. Around 40% is from renewables.

[@kevtheargonut]

@@Brian-om2hh Even on a good day, that 40% figure is over stated and very misleading. Have a look back at the August -October 2021 stats. You will find an extended period of a 2% (yes, not a typo, TWO percent) contribution from green energy for weeks on end. Green energy is not reliable and does require a plan B for when the sun doesn’t shine and the wind doesn’t blow(or blows too hard) which in the U.K. is quite frequent. The current plan to drive towards net Zero for the U.K. has no realistic plan B.

[@toyotaprius79]

Losing all your public purses to off shore bank accounts seems far more ludicrous, but never taken seriously by gbn, the Tories, new labour, etc.

[@garytunnicliff3649]

Just as important is getting rid of the apps - just contactless - let the companies do other things to incentives their customers.

[@maximumsecurity9411]

With 50 %electricity increase! Complete nonsense! 😐

[@2000globetrotter]

They omitted to mention that the normal degradation of Lithium Ion batteries over around 3-5 years means that the unfortunate owner has to shell out tens of thousands of pounds on a new battery for his EV. Also, the depreciation of the current crop of EVs is only slow because of short supply. Once they become more common, price depreciation will overtake petrol and diesel rates because of the battery replacement costs.

[@penrox0]

Mmmmmm .. So, I live in a country town, with terraced house. I have to drive to find a fast charge hub, spend 20 mins to fast charge and then drive home. Or, pop round the corner to a small garage and fill with a liquid in a few minutes…. The jury is out on this one ☝️

[@duplicitouskendoll9402]

Might as well use the liquid whilst it's available and infinitely more convenient.

[@Brian-om2hh]

And do you understand what happens in order for you to be able to fill up in a few minutes?

[@alinherts5414]

Imagine the chaos if it took everyone 15 to 20 minutes to fill up with petrol or diesel. No way the infrastructure will be in place by 2030 when the ban on new petrol and diesel cars comes in.

[@Richard482]

I suppose the difference is that most people wouldn’t fill up their car with fuel, while it was sitting on their driveway. Something you can do with an EV.

[@pokerman111111111111]

The difference is i already have a "fuel pump" installed at my house and its far cheaper than petrol station.

[@kevtheargonut]

@@pokerman111111111111 Not too useful when that that fuel is pump sitting at home when you are on a family trip out in the middle of the Lake District, New Forest, Scottish Highlands, Exmoor, or the Elan Valley though is it? Lucky you don’t live in a hi-rise block in a city is it? As but sod them eh? This type of “I’m alright Jack” stuff fits very well with the selfish attitude I see coming from the ECO mentalists with no lifestyle. Those types are the proponents of pro EV arguments that suggest doing nothing else than going to work locally, going to the local shops or taking the kids to school to allow an EV to work for them. What a life! 🤣🤣🤣

[@Brian-om2hh]

@@kevtheargonut Ironically, there are chargers in the Lake District, the Scottish Highlands (even now at John O Groats and Lands End). If you have ZapMap, you can usually find chargers easily....

[@robgusterson2821]

Motoring will not become cheaper whether all vehicles are electricity powered or not, the government through tax will not let that happen.

[@shunnp4175]

We do not produce enough electricity for this BS!!!

[@danbansal3661]

Quentin is a great personality, but he’s being paid to say this, I’ve seen him driving around Stratford in his huge cars, if these battery car are so good then technology can take us there NOT legislation!

[@andylewis7360]

Yup. Seems to me that QW will say whatever he's paid to say

[@GRIFF22]

Problem is that you CANT do 300 miles in an electric car apart from Tesla and Lucid. All the others such as for Ford, Kia, Hyundai all advertise 320-350 but in real world driving you're lucky if you get 250. And practically every new EV is 40 grand, when you can get a fully specced BMW 320d that'll do 55 to the gallon and 700 miles on a tank!

[@spice3767]

Spot on the mini ev real life range is just over 100 miles 🤣🤣🤣 I’ve got a C350 Merc…weekend i averaged 58.9 mpg over 58 miles at 65mph average…oh Yha it took me 3 mins to charge up 🤣🤣

[@richardpeddie2060]

You specify TESLA they're no different from Kia and the like, their advertised range is overhyped BUT IT'S NOT THE POINT nor is I can do 20 million miles on one tank because for most journeys travelled the average distance on eg to work and back is 12 miles NOT 700 ! The point is ICE's destroy the environment, in cities their air pollution kills 40K a year BUT THE REALLY BIG POINT if you care nothing for LIVES ! is if you could charge EV's away from home the same price or close to what you can charge at home then it's a NO BRAINER. EV's WILL save you a MINT - kzbin.info/www/bejne/mIiacqKsopyYqac

[@thedeadstig123]

Yep the new Hyundia claims it can do 300 miles but going down the motorway it can barely do 100

[@GRIFF22]

@@richardpeddie2060 Yikes, you've been brainwashed mate

[@michaelicornelius]

£40k is only for entry level specs - I have an xc40 petrol £40k, all electric £60k for same spec, but apparently on the continent £45k

[@johnpate2835]

Maybe they should charge electric charging points using the same formula as ‘wet’ fuels and see how it competes. Burning fossil fuels elsewhere does not improve the climate. Don’t get me started on the carbon footprint of renewables.

[@keithpardey1279]

Another clown who thinks its wonderful his tesla can do 0 to 60 in 2 seconds, most normal people want a car that has average acceleration, decent range and is affordable

[@duplicitouskendoll9402]

I need two things from an EV car before I buy one: Reliable 400+ mile range, even in cold weather with the heating on and a full charge in 15 minutes or less so I'm not wasting my life! Until then, I refuse on the basis of convenience, practicality and time saving.

[@igorkratka]

Well said.

[@ogodei70]

Wow, 400+ miles is about 7 to 8 hours driving, very few people can do 7 hours in one stretch without stopping.

[@Bob-ts2tu]

@@ogodei70 according to that nob quentin wilson you can do 200mph in one, so maybe only 2hr for him :)

[@igorkratka]

@@ogodei70 Well, maybe he simply does not want charge during every stop. When I go for road trips doing 250-400 miles a day I just fill the tank once at the beginning of journey and that is it. I will make 5 stops, yes, but that does not mean that I also would be willing to top-up the petrol tank more then once.

[@duplicitouskendoll9402]

@@ogodei70 Not everyone gets to work in the same place every day. Believe it or not, there are many people who still have to travel all over the country to where the work is. I regularly have to travel in excess of 300 miles per day to feed my family. That could be a single journey, or it could be a whole load of smaller (still quite long) journeys where the driving is broken up. I often work in remote locations where charging isn't an option whilst I work. My days are long enough already without waiting for charging points to free up then charge myself! That's just in the UK, which is a relatively small country - what about the US or Australia? Car makers need to cater to them too.

[@nowbeing1]

Lobby to go back to petrol so normal people can own a car.

[@Brian-om2hh]

And when oil runs dry, and there is no more petrol? What then?

[@JohnSmith-zo7rq]

Where do people think the money is going to come from to pay the billions needed to keep the roads in good condition?

[@Brian-om2hh]

I know exactly where it will come from. A system of road tolls.

[@davelewis7098]

Weldone Eamon none of it adds up if you care about the environment walk ride your big or get on the bus !! As I listened to this the more pathetic it got !! God bless the working class

[@stephanieterry8844]

How do people that live in high rised flats charge there electric cars, and how many mile can you do on a full battery say if your traveling from Leeds to London

[@richardpeddie2060]

It's a problem but can't refuel your ICE from home either !. The latest models advertise 300 miles plus and you can do that if you drive carefully. IF ultra fast chargers were commonplace, there are a few but VERY few, a car like a Kia EV6 can charge to full in 25 minutes. OK so an ICE can do that journey easier BUT HOW OFTEN does the average punter do 500 miles ? The average commute is 12-15 miles and I reckon for m ost of us it's far far less

[@Brian-om2hh]

How do people who live in high rise flats fill their cars with petrol? They go to a petrol filling station, right? So then, why wouldn't you go to a charging station, or maybe charge your car up while you bought food? Tesco are installing free chargers at 400 of their UK stores. My electric car would go from Leeds to London on a full charge, and still have quite a few miles of range left.

[@hittitecharioteer]

6:00 Talking of hydrogen as a fuel, Wilson says "…it's carbon". Really??? Hydrogen burns to water vapour: a bigger greenhouse gas than CO2.

[@FrostSpike]

Whilst it's true that water vapour is a more effective "greenhouse gas" than CO2, it tends to cycle through the atmosphere much more quickly and also acts to reflect sunlight (increasing the albedo). It'd probably lead to a wetter world in terms of rainfall (so there's good and bad aspects to that too) rather than a warmer one.

[@Richard482]

The amount of water vapour in the atmosphere, is itself dependent on temperature. This is why it’s referred to as an amplifier of climate, rather than a prime driver.

[@pokerman111111111111]

Also to get hydogen it requires electrolysis which uses alot of energy and by the time it reaches the car you lose some where near 70% of its original energy.A EV is somehwere near 85% efficient and newer cars are higher. Thats the top and bottom of it.

[@rippenburn]

What electric car does 300 miles on one charge with or without the AC or heater running? And I guess he's been careful to ensure his car is only being charged with electric from renewable power, not just carbon-neutral power imported from another country. What a joke.

[@Bob-ts2tu]

It's all BS and hype m8, just a con, like switching to diesel was a few years ago, or the different climate change predictions we get every decade - anyone remember the predicted 'global cooling' ice age in the 70's lol.

[@robgusterson2821]

With energy prices rocketing who will be able to buy and run an electric car.

[@Brian-om2hh]

I bought one 2 years ago, and today, right now, it still only costs me £8 to £9 for a full charge, which does me around 270 miles. I pay 12p per kwh on my off-peak tariff. I can cover 1000 miles of commuting and town/city driving for £40. As a rough guide, you'll be paying around 4 to 5 times the cost per mile to do it with petrol......

[@CMDRTeatime]

It would help if the government wasn't also charging 40% import tarrif plus 20% VAT on imported solar panels. Electric cars could be charged on sunshine (mostly).

[@geecars6263]

If only we could be part of say a trading bloc where we could import these things free of duty…

[@CMDRTeatime]

@@geecars6263 That's a nice try, but that's where the tariff came from originally and at the behest of one of europe's largest energy manufacturers. The UK government hasn't had the bravery to strike out on its own fiscally yet...

[@geecars6263]

@@CMDRTeatime But surely we were “taking back control? You can’t blame the EU for UKGov taxes and tariffs 😉

[@CMDRTeatime]

@@geecars6263 I can and will blame the EU if they created them. You're right though and my original point was the UK government are to blame if they have fiscal autonomy and keep draconian and unenvironmental taxation in place. Otherwise its just bureaucrats lining their own pockets off the back of others' investments.

[@geecars6263]

@@CMDRTeatime You can’t blame the EU for duties levied by the UK government, honestly it’s time to face up to what you’ve done. You’ve “taken back control” you can no longer blame anyone else.

[@ianwilson5980]

They want everyone to walk or cycle. Cars for the rich, by the time second hand electric cars are available for an affordable price you will have to replace the batteries at a cost of £15000

[@richardpeddie2060]

Piffle, the batteries last a lot longer than an ICE will and if you are lucky and can charge at home the savings are astronomic. Over 5 years inc purchase price EV's are cheaper kzbin.info/www/bejne/mIiacqKsopyYqac

[@Brian-om2hh]

What complete and utter cobblers. Cleveleys Electric Vehicles in Gloucestershire carried out a battery refurbishment on a 10 year old Nissan Leaf. The work took 4 hours, and cost the owner £600. Stop talking utter tripe about things you very obviously know so little about Ian........ I remain convinced (as I have for a while now) that some of these comments are from paid "plants". All done to purposely spread misinformation about electric vehicles, in an effort to try to slow the sales of new EV's...... The big oil companies are now *painfully* aware their once huge and lucrative market is teetering on the edge of vanishing down the crapper for good......They would very much like the hydrogen "thing" to take off, so they can once again control the supply and the market. But it's not going their way, and they seem fairly powerless to do much about it except snap up any available charge networks while they can....

[@Brian-om2hh]

Really? Try watching the KZbin video of the UK owner of a 10 year old Nissan Leaf. He took his car to Cleveleys Electric Vehicles in Gloucestershire, where they carried out a battery pack refurbishment. The work took 4 hours, and the cost was £500. As usual, the utter nonsense about EV batteries carries on regardless....

[@ireneteare2365]

I dont believe your campaign for electric cars....stick with the ones you have got!!

[@maxflight777]

*he’s correct - lawmakers should be driving electric cars*

[@trevorgiddings3053]

Watch the Michael Moore film about the laugh ability of creating enough electric to power all the cars. You can have as many EV hubs as you like if the power isn’t there and it won’t be for a long time. The only chance is if we have nuclear power they might produce enough to provide electric for homes, work AND cars which it doesn’t have to do at the moment.

[@markphillips2076]

It's not just the environmental cost, the social cost of electric cars has not been factored in. If you want your car to be like a washing machine and to just throw it away when it's (short) life has ended then fine. But I've never bought a new car and rely on a ready supply of used cars with 100,000 miles or more on the clock and another 100,000 miles of life left in them to give me 3-5 years of motoring. I've never paid more than £2000 for a car, I don't want to pay for an electric car and then be stuck with a £10,000 bill for a battery pack to give me another 50,000 miles of car life. If the supply of used cars with decent life expectancy dries up, poorer people like me won't be able to afford to run a car. But middle class early adopters don't care what they are doing to the car market. Don't get me started on Tesla and their refusal to supply spare parts and their ability to remove features from the car remotely if any DIY repairs are made on the vehicle.

[@Richard482]

The batteries last far longer than 50,000 miles.

[@markphillips2076]

@@Richard482 On the cheaper more affordable ones they don't. I'm thinking Nissan Leaf. But 500 charge cycles at 100 miles range is 50,000 miles. Longer range battery packs could be charged less and go further before significant degradation, but are considerably more expensive.

[@Richard482]

@@markphillips2076 Nissan Leafs don’t have the warming and cooling systems for the battery and so have higher rates of denigration. We owned a Nissan Leaf for 5 years and it had lost one bar off its battery. Well of course, bigger batteries will be more expensive. kzbin.info/www/bejne/h4TUfpWrhc1rhrs

[@markphillips2076]

@@Richard482 So we both agree affordable EVs are rubbish.

[@Richard482]

@@markphillips2076 Well again, it only lost one bar during the nearly six years we had it. We currently have a 4+ e-Niro on finance. £40k car. Minus 2k manufacturers discount, 9.5k part-exchange for our Nissan. £377 a month.

[@josephgibbs6895]

Hydrogen is carbon. Lol

[@topcat807]

The biggest mistake being made is the forcing through of electric cars. If they really wanted to be environmentally friendly they wouldn't be banning the combustion engine and instead just allowing both electric and combustion engines. By doing this there wouldn't be a ridiculous need to fit thousands of chargers everywhere, the only people who would need them are those with electric cars, there wouldn't be the extra pressure on the energy companies, there wouldn't be a sole dependency on China that will surely happen considering they have 95% of rare earth metals, there wouldn't be a huge loss in fuel tax revenue. And also the decades of progress that has been made with the combustion engine wouldn't be coming to an end. Over the years engines have been becoming more fuel efficient, more powerful, cleaner. There's many cars now with engines that are half the cc they were only a few years back yet they are more powerful and cleaner and this progress would have continued, but now it's going to grind to a halt.

[@kageyme8109]

Levelling up for EV's . So then they need to start charging ROAD TAX after all they're driving on our roads and why should others pay that !!

[@pokerman111111111111]

Road tax currently goes off emmisions and they emit nothing ? however they will need to be some sort of payment scheme for road repairs etc (since when has road tax actually fixed the roads tho)

[@22BE22]

@@pokerman111111111111 Road tax is there supposedly to look after our roads EV cause as much damage as every other vehicle !! One of the biggest problems for environment are tyres and tyre wear !! EV’s we’re tax free on as an incentive when nobody bought them . Not the case now . You can call I’ll a road duty then , who cares what it called

[@Brian-om2hh]

@@pokerman111111111111 Road Tolls. A pay per mile scheme. ALL vehicles will pay these charges, as they will take the place of fuel duty....

[@seph6272]

Increase the VAT on electric cars. Must get HMRC funded to level up.

[@bubblemummy1]

The fact he said not many people in Parliament drive electric cars says it all really.

[@fionagardner4257]

Toyota and Volvo say EV's are not the answer.

[@Brian-om2hh]

Yet both those companies are still producing and selling EV's 2 years later.....

[@mb_a5383]

I've been an EV owner/driver for 6yrs now and I absolutely love it but.. in the many conversations I've had over the years with people curious to learn more, the first thing I always tell them is EV's are NOT for everyone. Non public charging is a real problem if, for example, you live in an apartment. I could go on and on about why you might not be happy with an EV but I could also go on and on about all of the benefits of an EV. Environmental benefits aside, this is the first car I've ever owned (I'm in my 60's so I've owned several) that is so rediculously maintainess free. In the six years I've been driving this car which was 3yrs old when I bought it, I have replaced the wiper blades 4 or 5 times and I have replaced the tires twice.. that's it! even the brakes are still good because of the regenerative braking that slows the car down when I lift my foot from the accelerator. Factor that in, that's huge! Even the older, shorter range EV's are perfect for people who drive short distances regularly and have a convenient place where they can charge them for 6 or eight hours, like a house or their workplace. I charge mine overnight and to extend the life of the lithium ion battery I have the onboard computer stop the charge at 80 percent. The 'state of the battery' is indicated by bars which from the factory was 12. After 9yrs I still have 10 bars. I do need to add that because fast charging (220v) can degrade the battery quicker, I almost always charge slowly (110v). But since I'm charging overnight it works out well for me. Hope this helps.

[@pokerman111111111111]

Why do people ignore actual facts/proof but believe someone in the pub.Ev's are far better all round than ICE cars.

[@cyrilsquirrel2874]

9yr old car replaced tyres twice.don't do many miles do you?so hard to compare to ice...can it pull a boat,caravan etc?many of us in rural parts pull trailers ,will it do that? horses for courses ..also if everyone has an electric car ,there will not be sufficient power for charging as well as normal domestic and industrial consumption..lets go slowly on this one as better technologies are already on trial...hydrogen being one...fleets of trucks already using it

[@mb_a5383]

@@cyrilsquirrel2874 Good points, as I said EV's aren't for everyone. As for the tires, when I bought it used the dealer put new tires on it so actually I went through 3 sets so far. I retired last year so they're gonna last a lot longer now. I don't recall if I mentioned this or not (might have been on a post elsewhere) but I use the car as the manufacturer intended, short trips around town usually no more than about 40 - 50 miles roundtrip. When this car was brand new it only had a range of about 100 miles. As to your other excellent points about towing and such, my car is definitely not capable but I knew that when I bought it. Let's face it a large (very large I think) number of people use their ICE cars primarily to get to work and back home and making short trips around town. For most of those people an EV can be a great choice. My biggest concern (since I don't tow anything) was going places further than I would be comfortable attempting in my limited range EV. For that we replaced my wife's ICE car with a Hybrid (not a plug in) so now that's our car of choice for longer trips and the EV is out choice for shorter trips (as intended by the manufacturer. Rivian and Ford (I beloved they share the same platform, some regret to it as a skateboard) are both coming out with EV trucks that should be capable of hauling whatever you got. My guess is that once you try hauling with an EV (truck) you won't go back to ICE.

[@kevtheargonut]

What percentage of EVs on the road are capable of taking a fast charge? And how many of those being produced are affordable? You are into higher spec / cost cars to get fast charging capabilities. And it’s not zero emission motoring, the green contribution to the grid won’t even scratch the surface of what is needed to charge all these ICE to EV conversions. So emissions will be present in the generation of the electricity required to charge them. Very misleading interview.

[@pokerman111111111111]

A nissan leaf /renault zoe is £5-6k with a range of 60-80 miles . if you are commuting to work or doing the school run who needs more than that everyday. for 80-90% of drivers they are fine. if you do loads of miles then they not fine but those drivers are a minority.

[@kevtheargonut]

@@pokerman111111111111 In my line of business, those kind of drivers are far from the minority, more the massive majority. Depending on how many customers I am working with and where they are, I and probably a significant portion of the U.K. workforce can rack up 30k business miles per year - many doubling that figure to do the stuff that cannot be fixed over the phone. And I ask again, can that ancient and degraded battery technology enabled 5-6k early generation Leaf or Zoe utilise a fast charger like the supercharger referenced by Wilson in his rebuttal to the objection that electric cars take too long to charge? And that time he suggests of course doesn’t include sitting in the queue for the very few chargers available. A disingenuous response that should have been jumped on by the interviewer. Back to range. You suggest 40 miles each way maximum for a day out with the kids or to visit friends and family is entirely adequate for the majority of U.K. families? I don’t know anyone who could live with that without the capability to recharge as quick as filling an ICE fuel tank after 80 miles. This range of course will be reducing dramatically with ensuing years until the useless junk on the drive needs a massive investment for battery replacement in excess of the cost of the car. Buying a 5-6k electric car will inevitably involve spending that again or even more in the relatively short term to keep that ridiculously small range in place. Agreed, range will increase with the new batteries too, but at what cost - and that is my contention. It isn’t a 5-6k car longer term, and it still won’t supercharge. Add to that the stress on whether you will make it home again each trip without a lengthy stay with whining kids and dogs at some dismal car park somewhere and what do you get? A total waste of 5-6k unless your family life involves never travelling more than (a risky) 40 miles from home for a day out. What a life! It is a laughable suggestion people who need greater flexibility from the transport are in the minority. So take a long look at what opportunity, flexibility and freedom a 5-6k ICE car brings compared to that selection of crippled white goods you suggest. So, a 5-6k purchase (don’t forget to double that in 2-3 years for a battery replacement) is also not an argument for fast charging proposed. What is necessary is more 30k upwards for Wilson’s type of fast charging capabilities. And where does the magic non-polluting electricity to charge batteries come from on cloudy, still days like we had for months towards the end of summer 2021? Yes, you got it, they had to fire up the fossil fuel power stations again to cover a miserly 2% contribution to the grid by green sources compared to circa 20% expectation in that timeframe. Green energy reliability will not be in place in time in the U.K. without economy-destroying investment. Going forward, those joining the climate religion who buy more electric cars will generate even more demand on the grid. Green energy sources will again fail (as usual), and net zero won’t happen. And that is even before we get into the emissions churned out to build and decommission the EVs. Therefore more traditional power will be required to fuel the grid to charge the increasing number of EV cars. Or as now seems on the cards, surge pricing / rationing via your smart meter will further hit you in the pocket or constrain your life when green energy inevitably fails in the U.K.’s mostly gloomy climate. This will not be circumvented without the massively unaffordable and impractical-to-deploy-in-the-timeframe battery storage infrastructure we need to magically appear in the next few years. I maintain that this was a very misleading interview that does not pass critical thought for even the average Joe in the U.K. who has done the slightest research beyond this ridiculous net zero propaganda swallowed without question by the virtue signalling eco nutters.

[@pokerman111111111111]

@@kevtheargonut Exactly "in your line of business" where i work everybody drives a fork lift truck so must mean that you do. for 80-90% of drivers EV's are fine. the average mileage is 20 per day NOT 300 so a car that has a 150 mile range will be fine for most people they would just charge once a week.I would like fast charging (CCS) but i dont need it,i charging while shopping,gym or in a town centre so the fact it takes an hour is irrelevant i am doing something else. there will always be an exception to the rule. EV's over there lifetime are "greener" than ice. we have reached the pinnalce of efficiency with the 100 year old internal combustion engine thats the problem there is no where else to take it where as Battery ,solar and renewables are still in their infancy,who know where batterys will be in 100 years. Times change and you either keep up or get left behind.

[@kevtheargonut]

@@pokerman111111111111 How many fork lift drivers are there in this country who live just around the corner from work in comparison to, say field engineers, or sales people who need to do hundreds of miles a day? Take the stay at home mums or people who work just around the corner away from those statistics, and you’ll find the real figures. Statistics are generally quoted to support a specific point of view rather than the true situation. You are gonna find it hard to keep up when your field engineer can’t get to you for 2 days to fix your fork lift as he has to keep stopping and recharging to get there. And then how are the parts gonna get to site by battery? 😁 By the way, what does your engineer, sales person, or delivery driver use to provide the tools you need at work? Cheap, efficient and green (sic) EV? I truly doubt it. Why? Because it simply doesn’t work today. There is plenty of other places to take this IF we focus on the real climate issues rather than transportation-based CO2 issues where this country contributes 1% to global problems. I.e., we all go EV too quickly and suffer the issues that brings and we solve a maximum of 1% of the problem. Look for the other 99% and solve that.

[@kevtheargonut]

@@pokerman111111111111 And by the way, look at the real figures involved in the manufacture of EVs from the likes of Volvo and others, and you will find that at your 60-80 miles a week, it will take at least 21.5 years to repay the pollution cost of just manufacturing that vehicle. And that does not take into account the non green sources used to charge it when the sun doesn’t shine or wind doesn’t blow or disposal of incredibly environmentally hostile batteries over that time. We ain’t at the utopia point yet where it’s free and green to go EV and would be better served with a continuing hybrid policy where those that can use EV do so, and those that can’t are not pilloried by the brainwashed zealots or legislated against by ridiculous laws to fix a non-problem such as the effect of transportation in the U.K. for a 1% potential CO2 global output reduction benefit at the very maximum. Other countries are laughing at what we face in the U.K. by going down that route while they still build massive fossil fuelled power stations to continue with business and life as normal negating our unaffordable “improvements” instantly.

[@addictedtoangling]

Electric cars are not about saving the enviroment they are about making people rich

[@Brian-om2hh]

And the oil industry hasn't been? Plenty of mega rich Arabs out there, along with super rich oil executives......

[@addictedtoangling]

@@Brian-om2hh im aware of this but how is it better for the enviroment how are electric cars going to save the plant u are aware of the minerals that are required to make batteries it takes large scale mining mostly on the african continent so to replace most combustion engines with electric alternatives would mean lots of batteries and mining on a catastrophic scale and ofcourse how do u recharge your EV do u think the electricity to charge them is going to come from wind farms or wave action at sea or even some other so called green source no chance it will be good old power stations to produce enough electricity for all these new electric cars lol the 20% vat on street charging is not nuts going out and buying one of these electric cars in the first place is nuts

[@Brian-om2hh]

@@addictedtoangling So you're oblivious to the large scale mining the oil industry has been involved in for decades? The oil industry are the World's largest users of mined minerals. They can't refine oil without cobalt to remove sulphur during the refining process.

[@davidgreenwood5241]

Well according to Volvo you need to do 94 thousand miles in an electric car before becomes carbon neutral

[@Brian-om2hh]

And in the meantime, an ICE car is *never* carbon neutral, because it puts out emissions from the day it leaves the showroom until the day it's scrapped.

[@stormsurge6765]

How good is the range on ev when it's cold? Yes I know it's f-king shite

[@XenonJohnD]

Come on then, data please. The information is all out there, it varies for different cars. Summarise the data for us. 65% of new car sales in Norway were electric. It is cold in Norway but they manage somehow.

[@Brian-om2hh]

And you'll know, because you've owned quite a few EV's I suppose?

[@SkotiM]

Electric cars don't stop pollution, it just moves it from the car to the power station. Solar and Wind sources have a life span of about the same as the car batteries and take large amounts of fossil fuels to manufacture. Most charging will occur at night until high speed charging is common place, which means Solar won't help charge EVs, wind drops off at night also apparently. Nuclear waste is toxic for between 1 & 10 thousand years. Biomass power generation is more polluting than Coal fired power stations and one of the 2 leading causes of rain forest deforestation. Environmental damage caused by battery manufacturing is terrible. Saying hydrogen isn't the way forward because the technology isn't there is the same argument used against EVs. Standard Tesla 3 batteries have a life span of 100,000 miles, that's a lifespan of 12 years. A replacement battery pack costs between £20k - £35k. They may or may not hold their value for the first 5 years say, but who is going to buy a second hand car knowing that they will have to throw more than £20k at it? Not to mention how many people actually buy new cars costing £40k per year? Most people just don't have that sort of money to throw around. The massive decrease in vehicle life span will then lead to an increase in vehicle production leading to more pollution and damage to the environment.

[@edwardkerrigan5356]

Exactly - a five or 6k car will do most people very nicely.

[@marvinvogel1985]

Best thing I have ever bought in my life is my electric car. Worked out I save more or less £2500 a year whoop whoop!

[@richardpeddie2060]

And the stats prove it kzbin.info/www/bejne/mIiacqKsopyYqac

[@niknoks7638]

With the current price of electricity right now EV’s are a money pit!

[@Richard482]

You’re claim is incorrect: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mIiacqKsopyYqac. Owing solar panels also helps.

[@Brian-om2hh]

It doesn't come close to the petrol and diesel rip off though. I can still get around 270 miles for £8 in my Kia. You've obviously never owned an EV, and know very little about them it seems

[@davidmatthews9088]

Filling up a car on electric juice won’t always be cheap. It’s just for now.

[@Brian-om2hh]

And you somehow think that the cost of charging an EV will rise a lot, and petrol and diesel won't? Ask yourself what oil refineries run on......

[@Brian-om2hh]

@bredbury And the big oil companies have always been charitable I suppose? It's never happened yet, and it never will.

[@draiguk]

All electric bills are due to rise by 50% from April, with another 50% on top of that 6 months later. Charging a car at home overnight while paying more tax for it, and thats only if you can afford the very steep prices for one to begin with, and hoping it has enough charge to last to get you to a charging point ...meh...maybe one day but not for me right now. I also read that if all the cars on the road right now went EV overnight, there's not enough minerals in the entire world to make that many batteries, and that roughly 5% of these batteries can currently be recycled at the end of their life, although they are hoping that by the time they do expire in about 10 years more will be able to be recycled. But that's still not a great deal and they will get dumped somewhere. The electric demand is absolutley fine for now, but on mass scale? Not so sure the grid will cope = and again given how much we are already paying for electric and how quickly and steeply the cost is rising I'm just not convinced this is going to work for a long time yet. Lack of charging facilities countrywide is also an issue. Just not convinced at all this is the way to go as yet. Guarantted the Government will make it cheap as possible to get everyone on board when they want to then charge you up the ass once you have no option other than an EV. Andwhere does all the electric come form to charge these things? The vast majority comes from....coal, gas and nuclear!?!?! These are better for air quality sure, but not much else and VERY expensive - the cost of these things without all the subsidies will be astronomical. Guess who pays for the subisides...

[@Bob-ts2tu]

you know it !!

[@jules2545]

Car ownership for the prole is over.

[@Brian-om2hh]

What's prole?

[@terrynorwood5687]

Question. Where is all the electricity coming from, now we are getting rid of gas.

[@Brian-om2hh]

It'll come from the grid. The oil refineries won't be using it anymore, so there will be huge excess capacity.

[@steveallen4348]

An expert, where x is an unknown quantity and spurt is a drip under pressure.

[@ianbennett1491]

My friend was stopped for speeding in an electric car. He head butted the arresting Officer and was CHARGED with assault and BATTERY. 😂😂😂

[@ireneteare2365]

Now, one would be pollution from the batteries.. High maintainance costs..not worthy it.. I wouldn't buy them!!

[@Brian-om2hh]

High maintenance costs? Which EV's have you owned with high maintenance costs? And what pollution from the batteries?

[@fubar.1]

Another conversation for the rich, let's get o,a,p,s warm and fed first

[@Kefuddle]

EVs are a tech dead end. They are not environmental (currently 150kg of CO2 per KWH to make a battery). We don't have the grid capacity or substation capability for even 50% of use to drive EVs. Electricity will be horrifically expensive for fast chargers. You know those SmartMeters? They give the providers the ability to restrict your usage which means tariffs for fast charging at home will be crazy...if they let you. I am thinking £300-400 to fast charge a 100kwh car after 2030.

[@Richard482]

Why would you need to fast charge at home? Most of us charge overnight.

[@alphalobster8021]

@@Richard482 Without a fast charger it would take 24 hrs for. 50kwh.

[@Kefuddle]

@@Richard482 Also, think about it this way. A Tesla 100kwh (approx the min usable for family car) could power a 3 bed family house for a week on a single charge.

[@Brian-om2hh]

I'm thinking you are talking cobblers.

[@Kefuddle]

​@@Brian-om2hh Nope. You can find the battery study from the Swedish LTV and UK domestic electricity consumption stats are freely available. In fact it is worse that I thought. 3-4 bed house in the UK consumes 2,900 kwh/year. 2900/52 = 55.7khw/week. A Tesla 100kwh/55.7kwh = 1.8 weeks of consumption on one full charge. So running a Tesla for 15,000/year trebles the total domestic demand. Peak demand would probably by 6 times current peak. Therefore mass adoption is not possible to achieve. But wait. It is worse than that! Fast charging is 80% efficient. So that is another 25% lost to get the energy to your car. So a full charge is 2.1 times normal weekly consumption. Given that the real world emissions of a Tesla 100khw are about 120g/km CO2 (taking into account energy supply, transmission and charging). Then with the manufacture of the batteries then Tesla CO2 emissions are 34 tonnes of CO2 over 100,000 miles. A BMW M3 is 36 tonnes of CO2. So a Tesla is no better than high performance ICE car. But it is worse than that. The Telsa batteries will be junk and will need to be replaced. Not so for the BMW M3. EVs are total bullshit.

[@Barney-ii1no]

Nikola Tesla would be laughing/crying in his grave at slow drip feeding of technology and the fact we are still using the same energy systems, (He got shut down because of his free energy concepts) He would also laugh at Elon Musk

[@pemj7360]

Yep have to agree money and greed and lack of forward thinking. The old man would be rolling right now

[@elekkr]

Whenever i see an EV i spit on it 😉

[@Brian-om2hh]

Pathetic.

[@stumac869]

'We can stop burning stuff, we can stop the polluting', where do you think the electricity comes from? Most electricity is still generated from fossil fuels and battery cars are hardly green when it comes to manufacture. Not against electrification of private transport but let's be realistic about the green credentials of this technology.

[@richardpeddie2060]

WRONG - Fossil fuel generation in the UK is on average 43% and it's dropping

[@thedeadstig123]

I use to like Mr Wilson as previously he was very critical about electric cars but ever since he bought a tesla hes been beating the drum for them ever since but not everyone can buy at £70,000 tesla and peoples petrol/diesel cars are doing them just fine but the current agenda seems to be to shame people into buying a electric car Also alot of what is been said in this interview is correct but not a proper view of whats happening, yes you can charge a electric car in "15-20 minutes" on a high speed charger but these chargers are very rare in the uk and cost up to £80 to use, most chargers will take 45 - a hour to fully charge a electric car. Also I don't see why the government should drop the 20% vat on charging from charge points...petrol and diesel car owners have to huge tax on fuel, so why do electric car owners get a free pass? If this all electric car future is coming I find it a bit of con really as eventually all electric cars will have to pay their way for the loss of revenue from petrol/diesel tax

[@Bob-ts2tu]

it's ALL a con m8, remember that where there's a scheme there's a schemer

[@johnkline1790]

they ain't green - and it is one thing 5% of cars - imagine 100%

[@Brian-om2hh]

ICE vehicles aint green either John. They pump out crap from day one, until the day they get scrapped.

[@colin.d]

Public EV charging infrastructure currently is dire. Broken chargers, more demand than availability, confusing methods of payment, and large swathes of country with practically no rapid or super-rapid charging, for example parts of North England. Also there are too few EV small car models, not everyone needs or wants the SUV style and their inflated costs. I say all this a an EV driver.

[@davidcufc]

Why should other car users continue to pay duty and VAT to subsidise EV users?

[@Brian-om2hh]

How much did you chip in when I got my EV? Why should taxpayer fund the £billions in subsidies, handed to the oil industry over the decades?

[@davidjames3787]

@@Brian-om2hh To answer your question directly, this is taken from the government's own website - 'Since 2020, the government has committed £2.5 billion to plug-in vehicle grants, infrastructure and the wider transition to electric vehicles in the UK.' So I would say I and other taxpayers have contributed quite a bit. On the other hand the oil industry brings in billions to the UK treasury, far more than the tax breaks it gets.