Electric Motorcycles vs Gas Motorcycles (HARD FACTS)

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[@yammienoob]

So I know a lot of people are still super hard up against electric bikes, but they have a lot of potential and the tech is really cool. Kinda like our new giveaway bikes! Get entered to win early on yammienoob.co

[@rontrose]

Yammie Noob I just got an Sur Ron X for hitting the trails and utilizing the bike lanes in Seattle. Fantastic urban fun and can throw it in the truck and take it to the ORV park or just some fire roads out of town. Not giving up my 2018 Street Triple R by a long shot but electric is the future and I think we are going to see them get better and better! Great vid. Cheers.

[@Tommyboy0621]

How would you think they would have the racing separated when the electric bikes over take the Gas bikes? By battery size, output wattage, or would you think like fighting and wrestling, with weight classes?

[@jordanporterfield6590]

Do you think buying a livewire would be worth the money?

[@rontrose]

Tommy Boy My guess would be by kilowatt hour and electric motor size at this point. Maybe more specific metrics will be employed once the obstacles that papa Yam (funny saying that as I’m 52, ha) pointed out (price, range and feel) will all improve over the next few years and I’m sure more eBike classes will emerge. My Sur Ron is more bicycle than motorcycle but it’s quick and even a bit useful, but just like my Triumph , its really just for fun and enjoyment

[@kendrickkipikas5458]

Coal powered motorcycles...

[@dcptiv]

Electric bikes need a removable battery of industry std design that can be swapped out in seconds. Imagine having a bank of batteries on charge & charged at the local servo like swap n go gas bottles You pay a set fee just like the gas bottle system & now its just as fast as fueling up. You pull up remove your battery & put in the bank on charge then grab another fully charged & install then ride away.

[@savagetuner2404]

It doesn't work that way. This idea is not original at all, it's the most common innovation by people on the internet

[@michaelclark3192]

There's already an electric road scooter with standard swappable batteries in Taiwan. Look up the success of Gogoro. They have even has other manufacturers join them like Yamaha offering their own electric scooters based on this battery ecosystem.

[@savagetuner2404]

Michael Clark they need swappable batteries. Real, long distance batteries, are far too heavy to just pull out.

[@AzianDragonz]

@@michaelclark3192 I came here to say just that. I currently live in Taiwan and Gogoro has really caught on out here.

[@Neojhun]

@@savagetuner2404 LOL you got something correct for once. A 25kwh would be way too heavy remove by hand and needs to be an integral structure of the sportsbike. Removable modules is already being done on weak small rideon like E-Scooters.

[@lolsmol]

If I could afford to have two bikes, I'd have an electric one for daily commuting to and from work, and then one for long, fun, spirited rides.

[@dardotoscano9319]

Gas bike feel is awesome, sense of freedom not to check battery level every 2 seconds.

[@FreddyD177]

Yeah I recently got a electric bike and I love it but the range anxiety is real so if I could have a normal bike for the days off without worrying about mileage and distance I'd definitely buy myself a normal gas bike.

[@adriel1478]

​@@dardotoscano9319 yeah instead of checking your battery every 2 seconds you check your gas gauge ever 2 seconds lol

[@513eis]

You point out a lot of good facts but electrics have their place... I have a Zero SR 2015. In the 4 years riding, the ONLY expense I've had is tires. This bike has paid for itself in repairs, gas, oil, etc. I hardly ever use the brakes cause regen does most of the slowing down. Yes, they cost more initially but are really cheap to keep. I've never had to stop for a recharge as I plug it in when I go to bed and I have all the juice I need to ride the 100 miles a day I do. I use the bike for commute and weekend jaunts so it's perfect for that. I'm not into cruising anyway. ...and the torque, WOW! I'll never go back to gas.

[@GapWim]

PleaseDontWatchThese | cheaper than an ICE bike in the long run.

[@dwc1964]

That's great to hear! I've been holding out on account of, even though the "official" range is enough to do the "Alice's loop" as I refer to it (folks from the SF Bay Area might know what I'm referring to), when I asked the guy at the shop that sells 'em, he said real-world he wouldn't count on it. If you're getting an actual 100 miles per charge (is that right?) then that's encouraging. How much of that is at freeway speed, vs around town? Now that they're *starting* to get the idea that a fairing might help with the freeway range (halfway there, anyway), I'm hoping sometime within the next 5 years they'll have something that meets my greater Bay Area needs, if not my long-range tourcycle needs.

[@thorstambaugh1520]

@@pleasedontwatchthese9593 I can only say that of all the things I have ridden, raced, or flown in 40 years the Zero is the most fun I have ever had.

[@GapWim]

dwc1964 | I extended my battery to the max. available amount of 18kWh. When I really push my bike hard, I can get the range down to about 100miles (100% down to 0% charge … not healthy for your battery to do that regulary). Usually I can easily get 150miles range. When I drive carefully I can get over 200miles range.

[@TripleDDDD]

513eis how is the battery after 4 years? Still the full amount of energy?

[@fredecks4641]

I've got a Zero SR/F. The range is sufficient for what I do, charging is pretty quick (6kW), and the thing pulls like a liter bike. Best part is going 0-80mph-0 from one stoplight to the next, silently!

[@TheJPHarvey]

I might be confused but you said silently as if it was a good thing. I'm sure it's just me mis-understanding you, going 0-80mph making zero noise fills my heart with sadness. (Also it's incredibly dangerous as noise keeps us safe as bikers)

[@fredecks4641]

@@TheJPHarvey If I need noise to keep me safe, I've got a Hella Supertones horn on it. Meanwhile, my bit of crazy-fun acceleration doesn't attract attention from law enforcement. Heck, I can do a quiet burnout!

[@TheJPHarvey]

You've made some good points there I'm not gonna lie. But surely just must have a normal petrol bike in your garage too? I just couldn't be without a traditional bike

[@fredecks4641]

@@TheJPHarvey Indeed, you're right! I also have a Yamaha Super Tenere that I've ridden into Mexico and back a few times. :-) But for local trips, I'm loving my Zero. The two bikes couldn't be more different, each excelling at very different rides.

[@maxlutz3674]

@@TheJPHarvey It´s more dangerous for blind pedestrians. By the time they hear it, it´s already there. I while ago I read that there where plans to equip electric vehicles with sound generators to make them more audible. Apart from that the tires usually make some noise too. For an electric bike that will very likely not be different.

[@lukemiles1711]

1:36 it’s not a model S, it’s a Roadster 2.

[@tom.hekmann3320]

Toby Silva no.

[@lompy529]

TechTom yes

[@naraendrareddy273]

@@pleasedontwatchthese9593 Yeah

[@justdoit3708]

PleaseDontWatchThese Dont you mean the editor?

[@evandwright]

I took a livewire for a rip the other day. It was crazy fast but I immediately put it in sport mode and proceeded to kill 30% of the battery in like 20 minutes...

[@vitocarabetta1611]

Great review. I have a BMW F 800 GT as my main ride, a Victory Vegas for cruising and making noise, but I also have an Energica Eva 107. The electric bike is definitely the fastest, but is only practical currently as a commuter. What a commute! Regulations in Europe will probably drive the market in the direction of electric bikes in the next few years, but I love all my bikes.

[@NewZeroland]

Thanks for making this video! I've been riding an electric motorcycle for the past 4 years and agree that range, charging time, and weight are all huge factors. If you get a chance to ride the new Energicas, please check them out! They've improved so much that the gap between gas and electric is getting really small, and the charging infrastructure is totally enough for a cross-country road trip now.

[@mr.monkei]

Glad you added that last comment about 600's. I cant count how many noobs tell me their 600 is just as fast as my R1. We'll, atleast until after they ride a litre bike and realize what my bike does in 1st gear, theirs does in 4th

[@TheJPHarvey]

oooo you're a big man

[@tommybear1097]

I think you got the gearing backwards....

[@sheldondrewett9461]

@@mr.monkei no you said it backwards

[@mr.monkei]

@@sheldondrewett9461 damn just read it and realize I did put it backwards lol

[@GapWim]

Doble | I noticed the same but thought you meant stuff like wheelies and acceleration. as in: Their bike can wheelie and accelerate real good in 1st but your litre bike can still do the same in 4th.

[@deepakpangul1425]

I've ridden an electric scooter ...I did a lot of fun with it n a top speed test too ...the wind was gushing around my head at the top speed of 25 kmph... really fun ...! 😝

[@iowajojo]

I commute with a Zero SRF in Los Angeles, I’d have to say I agree with your statement that electrics are great commuters and gas bikes are for recreational use, as I also have a XDiavel S for fun weekend rides!

[@TheBigPunch1]

I love how you start off sounding unbiased and then ending extremely biased lol

[@fukcg00gle95]

Yoshimura playing cards to put in your spokes for some gnarly electric exhaust sounds.

[@boommoto4175]

Younger riders don't care about loud pipes. Electric bikes are here to stay and they are super fun.

[@ghostyasuo9163]

what are u on about alot of younger people care about louder pipes in my city where i ride with my friends we are 18-22 no one likes electrics cause no sound no fun revving at stop lights going etc

[@Mike-sBike]

I’m 48, I don’t like to muts sound I have 3 bike,s, one Zero

[@jayden6317]

7:05 nice gear dude

[@Zizzyyzz]

Yeah. That's horrible.

[@003_kusarigama5]

Or no gear🤔

[@urbanstylecaptures8716]

This is great👍, thanks for explaining it. I really needed to have access to this information, and I’m glad you shared this. Great work. Your crisp, well articulated, information sets are very well worthy of my attention when I can chime in, and are well worth the merit they receive in the long run. Thanks.

[@Official_MikeyT]

Just wait for the Hell''s Angels to switch to Harley Livewires.

[@ryankelly6800]

I think that the new lightning strike having level 3 fast charging is a big step towards electric bikes becoming more practical. Being able to charge what is currently the highest capacity battery in the industry in only 30 minutes is a huge leap forward.

[@CrissaKentavr]

The Energica already is being delivered and already does that. No Strikes with that charging or battery configuration have been delivered yet.

[@theelementalscientist6631]

Crissa Kentavr yes they have, just not very many

[@theelementalscientist6631]

See newzerolands videos he talks abt them

[@NewZeroland]

@@theelementalscientist6631 Crissa's right, as far as I know. They're still implementing the bigger battery and DC charging, but that'll be a game changer in getting electrics closer to what gas bike riders are used to.

[@robm5845]

They need it to be a screaming loud hybrid! People already don’t see us I’ll pass on stealth mode being permanently selected too boot

[@513eis]

My 2015 Zero SR has lost about 5% charge at most. FYI... one thing about battery power is cold lowers performance and increases charge time if the temp is below freezing. Here in Colorado that is about 2 months out of the year.

[@soyboi2819]

Zero S/SR is the best motorcycle type I've ever owned. In the same token, owning a Tesla is better than any gas powered car I've ever owned. I don't do anything over 98 on ANY motorcycle off the track, and I don't go to the track anymore. Purely anecdotally but the lack of sound makes me feel safer because I'm just another vehicle on the road. I've stored my bike for over two months uncharged and it didn't lose a single percentage of charge in that time. I've put "gas" into my bike at convenience stores and other places, and often joke about how I can refuel at more places than gas motorcycles. The technology is only going to get better. The instant torque and lack of shifting/single drive is something I can never, ever, ever give up now. I hate when I'm forced to ride a gas powered vehicle now - it feels so... shitty.

[@elliottvader2377]

I do 105 in my 1997 diesel Jetta all the time! What's the purpose of having a sport bike that is slower than a horrible car? (I do commute 260 miles regularly)

[@soyboi2819]

Elliott Vader Why do you do 108 in your Jetta, exactly? Unless you’re ripping it on the autobahn, I see no need to ever drive or ride that fast in public. Doing so is completely irresponsible as well as reckless and very illegal (well over every posted speed limit) where I live. So to answer your question, it’s because I’m not irresponsible and don’t drive recklessly. Top speed is ultimately meaningless because even the shittiest cars can go over 100 - doesn’t mean they ever should.

[@WattsToTheWheels]

same here. After riding gas-bikes for over 15 years I am now extremely happy with my Electric Naked-Bike. Regarding to range, the new 2020 Models from Energica have enough Batterycapacity for 200-250 KM. Energica claims up to 400KM, but based on my experience with the 2019 model, I say 200 KM are easy possible, even when you ride sporty. Charge times. I can Charge up my bike in 20 Minutes or less to 80% State of Charge. So after a 2 hour ride you have to be very quick to go to the toilet and refuel yourself with a cup of coffee in order to not be slower than the recharging of the motorcycle.

[@SniperSnake50BMG]

Soy Boi Man I love your point because I have pointed out that too. here in my country I ride my electric motorcycle EVERYWHERE, is my main commuting vehicle, I have had it for 4 years and the only things that I have spend money is in tires and just one brake pads change. I'm my city there is HEAVILY use of motorcycles and being a bike with less hp than others, I'm almost always getting ahead on green lights because of the initial torque!. never will buy a gas bike!

[@GapWim]

I have an electric MC and I wouldn’t want to trade it for any gas burner. Initial cost is high, yes. but TCO is the same or lower. It can outperform most gasburners on any practical application … save for the entertaining long strech, high speed, speeding ticket inducing impractical use. “can your electric bike do this?” came up in text about 1/3 in the video … euh, yes … look at Zero DS, DSR, FX and FXS. “It takes too long to recharge” … boo freaking whoo … what a first world problem. Save for the long trips, most if not all destinations can be reached on 1 charge. Then you arrive, plug it in somewhere (If you’re not in a 3rd world country like the US) and let it recharge for a fraction of the cost. Don’t compare charging with stopping at a gas station because that’s not what you do with an electric bike. “It makes no sound” or “loud pipes saves lives” … don’t make me ‘OK, boomer’ you! No matter your age.

[@saverlater123]

A god in the gap alright have fun with toy. Some of us still enjoy banging through gears and analog feel

[@GapWim]

saverlater123 | Thank you, I will. You have fun with your toy too.

[@durim187]

People dont hate anything as long as long it serves it’s purpose well. Just give me a small, cheap, 50 hp Electric car that has a range of 100 km so i can go to work and back for the whole week and I’m game. Even an electric bike for silent riding through the woods would be great. But for long distance Petrol is still the answer.

[@thorstambaugh1520]

Absolutely true.

[@maylnwood]

Bikes are already efficient.. it never hurts my pocket to fuel up my bikes and the sound of the engine is amazing up in 12k plus rpms.. I never rode an electric bike but I can’t imagine the experience being any better then it already is.. maybe more accessible tracks would be the best improvement to the bike world that I could see.

[@RetroAmateur1989]

I always eyed an eletric moped for city going. As it stands, I am soon getting a 98' XTZ660.

[@avalero13]

I’ll gladly pay extra for the beautiful symphony of combustion at high revolution.

[@dankay7982]

Like I enjoy talking loudly on my cell phone during the movies? I like your style.

[@Ludonauta]

I bet people used to like the sound and smell of their horses 100 years ago.

[@avalero13]

And now horses are for the rich. As long as gas cars can be for the rich, i’ll have to make sure i’m rich, or at least have the weekend toy.

[@jimmytorello7041]

I was considering the Zero motorcycles when getting my bike. The initial cost and fact that I hadn’t been on a motorcycle for many years factored into my decision. My 390 Duke purchase was ideal at that moment of time but I’d definitely consider an electric again when looking for my next bike. I guess my point is, if money wasn’t an option to my MC purchase, a Zero MC would be what I would be riding since I use it to commute and take a Sunday cruise. Yeah, the sound would be missed but it would be the cool factor of low/zero emissions and having something that is cutting edge/conversation piece.

[@AndyLeeVlogs]

You see, that technology is already here, it's called solid state batteries, and they have almost 10 times the density of it's li-po battery counterpart

[@TripleDDDD]

The only 2 things which are preventing to me to get an E Bike: price and living in a city flat with no garage: no charging possibility.

[@joemilich]

Sick burn at the end. Nice one Yammie.

[@theelementalscientist6631]

Your energy density comparison between chemical gasoline and a battery pack isn’t valid. Gasoline stores pure chemical potential energy but when burned, it isn’t fully transformed into usable power which results in energy losses of sound and heat. This is called Efficiency, and electric vehicles of all types are simply better at it than gas vehicles due to bigger things being more energy efficient and electric vehicles sourcing their energy from power plants (very being and pretty efficient) compared to your engine (much smaller and more less efficient in comparison).

[@burtonrider369]

One thing that is misleading when it comes to comparing energy density as our Boi Hammy Lube does, is the ability to actually transfer the stored or potential energy into go juice at the tyre. For instance, a really, really, REALLY, thermally efficient I.C. engine can convert about 40-ish % of the fuels potential energy to power at the crank, with the rest lost to friction or heat expelled into the cooling system. Electric motors are capable of transferring something closer to 90% of the stored electrical potential energy to the output shaft, mostly since there is only 1 component of an electric motor that moves and dissipates energy to friction. What this ultimately means is that if we have 3 gallons of fuel on a standard bike at 36KWhr/gallon that's 108KWhr of chemical potential, but if only 40% makes its way to raw crank-shaft power, that means a 3 gallon tank only has ~42 KWhr of usable energy. so to match that, an electric bike would only need a 50KWhr battery to match the usable energy of a gas bike. Overall I think the idea of electric motorcycles is very interesting and I'm ready to see what comes from the proliferation of electrification.

[@tammyforbes2101]

Get me 400 mile range on a nights charge and enough torque to pull the front wheel at 120mph and you got you a customer!

[@nine552]

Maybe faster, but not cheaper. The zero srs (the one in the thumbnail) is over 20,000 dollars.

[@nine552]

George Orwell I would love to own one as well, but when you cheapest offering is 10,000 dollars and it’s only got 100 miles range, it feels like a waste of money.

[@dwc1964]

They're still too expensive for what you get, but the MSRP is a misleading figure to compare. A more real-world comparison vs a dino-bike would be to figure the cost of ownership over a 5-year financing period (I don't know about you, but I'm not buying a brand-new vehicle with cash up front), including all the things - the vehicle payments themselves, registration, insurance, fuel and other consumables, maintenance & repair costs, etc. If you have somewhere to plug in at home overnight, that takes your fuel costs to near-zero, especially if your power company has time-of-use rates which makes overnight off-peak energy practically free. As always, YMMV, and as I said, I still think the electric bikes on offer are too expensive for what you get - just saying, it's not quite as bad as it looks just by the MSRP alone, and it's getting better every year.

[@thorstambaugh1520]

Yup you will spend three times that for an ICE bike owning it for a few years. Its like the old commercial, pay me now or pay me later

[@bernardjameswilson]

I think the companies who produce electric cars/motorcycles should standardize the batteries they use and make it swappable. So in the future you don't have to wait for your batteries to charge you just swap the ones on your vehicles to the pre charged ones in a power station. Kinda like what we do for propane tanks.

[@illusionsstage3254]

but the problem is that some batteries are more powerful than others...

[@bernardjameswilson]

@@illusionsstage3254 they should have a lot on stock form the different brands and models.

[@TheFlatEarthChannelcom]

You just need a DC charger adapter or attach more chargers to your bike. The more chargers attache the faster it will charge.

[@Neojhun]

Not an adapter, DC Charger is the big fridge like machine that replaces the weaker Onboard Charger.

[@anasdahalan620]

I have an evoke urban s and i love it because it is fast, quiet and lasts long. I understand that people don’t like it and thats there opinion but if your thinking of it then get one they dont cost anything to maintain and you have a spare battery in case you run out of charge

[@jerm1027]

Engines are also neither light nor small; while the battery pack is bigger than the gas tank (comparable to engine), the motor is much smaller (comparable to transmission) and there isn't a transmission on electric - my Zero SR/F they pack a 14.4 kW-hr battery and 110HP motor where the traditional engine and transmission are, and what would be my gas tank is a storage compartment, but I could get a "charge tank" (extra circuit for faster charging), or a power tank (extra battery for extended range). And because of that, it's surprisingly practical for a truly naked bike. I can carry my lunch in my Zero, not so much on my H-D Dyna Fatbob, nor my SR400, and each has the same ballpark of range (SR400

[@bjorn1583]

my yamaha bolt came with a 5 year unlimited mile warranty

[@jerm1027]

@@bjorn1583 Standard warranty is 1 year, so...

[@bjorn1583]

@@jerm1027 l dont think there is any bikes that only get a 1 year warranty and when l bought the bolt ALL star bikes came with 5 years unlimited

[@dresdonfury]

Have you tried the Energica Ego? Curious how you react to it, all things considered.

[@advokatten]

When you say "do you need to get towed", you should add an amphibian illustration.

[@513eis]

Charging my Zero SR costs me about $1.61. ...the cost can vary depending on time of day, utility cost changes etc.

[@StL614]

That last pic of the turbo busa is from my local dealership BIG st Charles Motorsport I just bought a z650 from them

[@zakariaeljahmi3598]

Look in the left mirror at 7:00

[@Fightre_Flighte]

Dude riding with a helmet, but no shirt XD I noticed it, too. I had to roll back, cause I'm sitting here saying, "what the *hell?"* like gray.

[@planetbizzaro1839]

Thats a tit?

[@adkoemek]

Was looking for this comment i was like is this what i think it is?

[@ZephyrCorsa]

Innovation > Tradition

[@NoName-jv8ek]

You know I have a Harley livewire. I love it. It’s my daily rider. I ride all day. I never ran into a range issue. I commute 40 miles one way 5 days a week. Plus the mountain rides on the weekends. But with this said my situation is unique. I have a level one charger at work. Also there’s chargers in the mountains where I ride so my bike is always topped off when I ride. So it’s super rare that my battery level is below 1/3rd. But that’s my situation. I understand that not everyone has my situation but I’m glad I do.

[@MasterGr1mmy]

"It's electric, so it's Eco-friendly" LMAAOOO 😂😂😂

[@TheFlatEarthChannelcom]

Try plugshare you will find a lot of charge stations.

[@Neojhun]

Yeah that part about infrastructure is heavily missleading. Sportbikes have much smaller batteries than cars, the Level 2 J1772 car chargers can top up Sportbikes quite fast. Those are the most common and very abundant.

[@vinnieardolino6079]

Coast to coast is very possible on an electric motorcycle as long as you are sleeping in hotels and not using a tent. Just plug in the bike overnight as you sleep and by morning you're all ready to go.

[@rodrickshaw1245]

Very smooth transition to the give away yammie!!

[@SniperSnake50BMG]

I haven't seen the video yet but finally to getting in the real deal with electric motorcycles!

[@benmiller6599]

If I could find an used electric for what I can buy a 300cc-400cc bike for I'd already have pulled that trigger. I absolutely LOVE the sound of an electric with the "throttle" all the way closed

[@mchltandy]

Is it just me or does anyone else want to see Koeniggsegs Free-valve tech in a bike , the applications would be amazingly insane on one

[@Neojhun]

Yes that would be amazing but it would only work on big bikes. That Freevale Electric Actuator system needs alot of Electric Power. Thus that 40v power system realy only works on big bikes with space. The only way i can image that would on light weight sports bikes is a SuperCapacitor and starting it up with external power.

[@malakiharrison3714]

Your intros are worthy of their own videos 👏🏽👏🏽

[@MrKrimstah]

I think electric scooters is where it’s at , someone needs to make a cheap transporter and start from there

[@low-costgearbudgettour714]

There are lots in Asia - scooter heaven. However, they’re still a minority compared to petrol scooters, mostly 125cc.

[@MrDarrylR]

There are plenty, though only a few that do better than 45 mph, which would be a bare necessity for local streets. In Europe, there's the Silence S01, Ninebot E200P, Super Soco CPx & VS1, Horwin EK3, and Niu NQi GT & GTS. In Taiwan, add the Gogoro S1 (Gogoro has 2000+ battery swap stations in country). Of these, only the Niu NQi GT/GTS is sold in the US, and dealers are asking US$ 6000 (in China, this class of vehicle is about US$ 3000).

[@ZephyrCorsa]

EV drivetrains are so much more flexible and dynamic, immediate response and performance. Remember range and battery tech isnt fixed, obviously tech like this advances exponentially, eventually making the older tech (gas) obsolete. Its how history and progress works, cant stop it so you might aswell get with the program.

[@fermitupoupon1754]

I've been riding electric bikes for a quite few years now. Yes a few years. I've ridden Lead Acid Battery moped scooters, I own a 1st gen BMW C-Evolution with the Long Range package, and my brother used to have a Lightning LS-218 as a track toy. Lead Acid batteries aren't great for a whole lot of things, but the batterypack in that moped did get a reliable 110km range at 45kph. It was advertised with 160km range though and it never made that, it got maybe 130km when it was brand new and over the course of a couple of years that dropped to 110, which was fine for my 80 ish km daily commutes. Upgrading it from lead acid to lithium polymer would be almost a 1000 euro investment (including charger, battery management etc), replacing the lead acid batteries would have run me maybe 300 euro. But keep in mind that this is a 300 euro 'maintenance' fee about every 40.000km. A regular petrol fueled moped has a maintenance interval of about 3000km, need to get valves adjusted, belts inspected, sparkplugs replaced, oil, filters the whole works. This is still a 250-300 euro service and it happens much much more frequently. Minor services like brushes and other wear components, that's about the same either way. The biggest downside I experienced with that electric moped, was people who ride bicycles with electric support are twunts who will unplug another bike in order to charge their own. And because these kinds of bikes use regular plugs and outlets, the charge cord doesn't lock. I eventually modified the theft alarm to start blaring if the charger was unplugged, before it was done charging, without the key in the bike. That did help a lot, 135dBa of instant punishment for unplugging my bike made people plug it back in real fast. My BWM C-Evolution, it's a couple years old now. I did have it restricted to an A2 license, because that was more convenient to me. And let's be real, for commuting and light sightseeing, 35kW is plenty. It's pegged to 135kph top speed, but again, the speed limit here has recently been lowered to 100kph. It's plenty to overtake a lorry on the motorway. As for the range, BMW promised me 160km when I bought the bike almost 50.000km ago. So far they haven't broken their promise in the slightest. Heck I am convinced they sold me a battery that could do almost 200km, just so it will never go under the advertised range. I charge up at work, I rarely have to charge at home at all. So in that regard it's pretty much free to ride. It takes about 4 hours to fully charge from a household socket, and it'll take a 30-80% charge from a fast charger in about 30-40 minutes. Going on a roadtrip with the lads, it takes a bit more planning, because he have to sort of aim for cafe's where there's a charger nearby enough that I can plug my bike in to charge. But that isn't that much of a problem really. I mean it's a country half the size of Delaware and there's 35.000 public chargers and over 100.000 private chargers, though a considerable amount of those are "privately owned" by a hotel or restaurant, so they are effectively still public. The LS-218 was a brilliant track toy, but far from cheap to run. It is scary fast. That's really all I can say about that. Setting it to have a linear throttle response is a brave thing to do. That thing really showed what an electric bike is capable of if you make no compromises. And I am not ashamed that being a scooter rider I am not the rider who can take that bike anywhere near it's limits. So I'd say electric bikes are perfectly viable for commuting and general urban mobility, but it really depends on where you live. I can ride anywhere in my country without ever having to worry that I will not be able to find a charger. Even in the most rural of area's there are going to be cafe's and restaurants who will have a charger. Or who will at least have an accessible outlet for slow charging. But even then, spending an hour over some drinks will get me enough charge to get to a fast charger where I can top up sufficiently in 20 minutes to get home. And for serious roadtrips, I just borrow my friend's X-Adv and in exchange he gets to "play Jetsons" as he puts it on my C-Evolution.

[@rightwingsafetysquad9872]

My first motorcycle was electric. A Honda 36V pocket rocket. It was even light enough for me to pick up when I was 12. Of course it only did 25mph with a tail wind and had a range of just 20 miles. But I was the coolest kid in 7th grade.

[@BullFPVs]

that you cant fix electric bike isnt a con in general i wouldnt be able to repair a gas bike but electric easily. so thats more person to person

[@CrissaKentavr]

And he's straight up wrong about repairing a Zero. My plastics cost less than sliders.

[@travissearles23]

Have you ever seen what an electric lawnmower does compared to a gas lawnmower? Its hillarious and i first heard of electric lawnmowers in grade school 45 years ago! Nothing is EVER going to beat a gas powered engine! Oh wait! I heard the electric dragster and funny cars are pretty sweet! If you're frickin peter pan!

[@BullFPVs]

@@travissearles23 would never get an electric bike but only for the range, sound and feel. do love my sweet 90kmh electric bicycles though xD best transportation in the city

[@trentx32]

I own a 2019 Zero FXS. Owned it for a year and a half now. This is probably the most accurate video about electrics vs gas. Electric riders aren’t saying our bikes are the best/perfect, but we are saying they are fun to ride and less to maintain. Facts

[@sneakydemon1198]

The amount of mines and the damage to the environment would exponentially increase due to electric vehicles.

[@filipbarneman4510]

Havent been to a gas station since december, feels so guud.

[@crp9985]

Been hanging out with the "guys" at the rechargers? I've heard they are the new bath houses?

[@filipbarneman4510]

@@crp9985 I mostly use it as a commute to work 10km, charging with a regular wall outlet in the parking garage.

[@EasyRiderGreg]

Generating electricity to charge your batteries causes pollution. Manufacturing batteries causes pollution too. Disposing of spent batteries that won't charge anymore also causes pollution. There is no "green" factor with electric vehicles.

[@duskshadowpaws4434]

and thus we should scrap 'em all and just focus on cleaner combustion engines EDIT: not just that but if all the billions wasted on EV development were carried over to combustion engines, i'm pretty sure we would've solved plenty of problems by now to where they would be enviromentally acceptable (tbf i don't care a whole lot, i just don't want a whole herd of greta followers to block me in the road and make the biggest fuss over nothing, may be a bit controvertial but jeez just grow up and stop being so damned persistent with the environment, it's been changing forever, stop trying to take away all our combustion engines and leave us be!)

[@EasyRiderGreg]

@@duskshadowpaws4434 I totally agree. There are no more dinosaurs because the climate changed and we weren't around to cause it. The fact that humans are here is because the climate and the whole planet changed into an environment that supported us, and we didn't cause that either. The Earth has been changing forever and will continue no matter what we do or don't do.

[@CrissaKentavr]

@@EasyRiderGreg ...And if the climate changes from one that we can breathe to one that we can't?

[@EasyRiderGreg]

@@CrissaKentavr We wouldn't be around anymore, but eliminating ICEs and going to electric won't change that.

[@wanderingandroid]

"Environmental friendly" how? The charging stations are still powered by fossil fuel plants. Unless you have you're own solar setup at home, you ain't doing really shit.

[@einon3321]

Maybe coz charging produces less emissions than having a gas engine? Im not sure

[@Marlonzen]

emissions. Jesus christ how is that hard to understand?

[@wanderingandroid]

@@Marlonzen aw that's cute... you're the type who thinks you just open the tap and water magically comes out.

[@Marlonzen]

@@wanderingandroid I can only literally shake my head. jfc

[@wanderingandroid]

@@Marlonzen same here. your electric vehicle is still powered by fossil fuels unless you have your own offgrid solar setup at home. ROFL.

[@double0sullivan88]

The continued high price of EVs combined with the rapid depreciation of motorcycles makes for one hell of a hurdle to get over to pull the trigger on e motorcycles.

[@travissearles23]

Wow! There is somebody left in this world that has a brain and would probably never wear a pink polo shirt!

[@Neojhun]

LOL logical fail. You can't even pull the trigger on the sports bike because they are Limited Supply & Expensive. It's because Production Capacity is soo tiny that is why they are expensive. I would not even consider Zero SR truly a mass production bike. Thanks for pointing out the contradiction.

[@double0sullivan88]

@@Neojhun I would assume that the logical progression is to attempt to make e bikes more available like electric cars. If bikes follow the same trend as cars, one would look at a mass production electric bike and see an extremely higher price tag compared to the gas alternatives. I would argue that a smarter strategy would be to continue to clean up gas engine emissions for now until technology reaches a more affordable level. A 2% emission reduction in 99% of vehicles sold has a higher impact than a 99% reduction in emissions from 2% of vehicles sold. Companies then use a portion of profits to research storage solutions.

[@Neojhun]

@@double0sullivan88 LOL you are a brainwashed Fool. All that emission green-washing stuff is POINTLESS! The best thing about Electric Sportsbikes & Superbikes is the crazy Torque Performance & Inert Nimble Chassis with Fine Agile Lean In. All you know is the Political BS use to brainwash you soo you ignore how great they feel to ride. Not sure what you meant by "one would look at a mass production electric bike and see an extremely higher price tag compared to the gas alternatives". Mass production Electric Sports bikes do not exist and you are comparing apples and oranges. That's like comparing a Boutique Custom Litre Bike to a Honda or Suzuki. My educated guess it the mass produced 600cc plus equiv e-Bikes will be about 20% more expensive long term, not horrible.

[@exothermal.sprocket]

Even auto manufacturers aren't making a red cent off EV's. They simply make them because they are mostly forced to make them. The gas counterparts is how manufacturers stay alive.

[@Emalo]

I've heard something about capacitors, they as far as i know can discharge electricity much faster and less use of battery and arent big in size.

[@paulbritton1436]

Don't have the range, and won't have the range. I need 350 miles in the mountains riding hard and I'm a big boy

[@donaldpyper4627]

Paul Britton what motorcycle has that range? You will still be dependent on a fuelling or charging network.

[@paulbritton1436]

@@donaldpyper4627 I always love that response. GAS STATIONS! I'm filling up at about 100 miles. I'm not looking for range per fill/charge, I'm looking at range for the day. Where I'm riding gas stations are fun enough to find a decent one. Charging stations are a pipe dream.

[@anonamouse2780]

This is officially the first Yammie Noob video I’m watching on the toilet.

[@513eis]

..."asked how much fun are they". That is totally subjective. Ride the new Zero SR/s and find out. I think you might be surprised.

[@Neojhun]

Some of the top end bikes are on the edge of fun, getting close to unwieldy scary. For experienced riders only.

[@513eis]

Funny you say that. I went for a demo ride when the Zero SR/F came out. One of the guys was pretty arrogant and down on electrics (Harley "bad-ass"). He got on one and twisted the throttle and the bike rocketed out from under him. It was a mess. I wish I had my phone out recording it. To me, the new SRs are almost scary fast. The acceleration is instant and can catch you off guard if you aren't prepared.

[@illusionsstage3254]

I live in China and have an electric moped. 72v battery and a 6kw motor. bike weighs about 50 kg and it usually smashes motorcycles up to 50 mph plus. It has a top speed of 84 mph, does about 100 km in distance and costs about 3000 dollars

[@illusionsstage3254]

plus has a removable battery that weighs about 10 KG

[@illusionsstage3254]

above is including upgraded suspension, a back fork, fatter back wheel and fatter front wheel, and also front and rear brake system upgrades

[@illusionsstage3254]

plus the ECU that allows it to go that fast lol

[@phil1898]

Electric vehicles are great around town or commuting short distances. At present, for long journeys they need a completely different mindset - one that can accept long breaks far more frequently that we're otherwise used to and they need some forward planning - if there's nowhere to charge, you might want to think again! In fact, you want a backup plan for when your chosen charger doesn't work and, ideally, a backup plan for your backup charger... Going off on a complete tangent, there was some amazing scenery in that video. I wouldn't get far in a place like that on any type of vehicle - I'd be stopping every few feet to take a photo!

[@dougiequick1]

"Let your queies be known!" 'Are we ready to admit electric motorcycles into the ranks?' "DENIED!"

[@JCook-dx5pf]

One day I'll have an electric bike. Maybe a fun trail bike or if I ever get into track days. But I need me that sweet, sweet Triple Symphony to shake my soul for now

[@oplkfdhgk]

9:35 i was actually thinking of making solar powered electric moped(with max speed of 45km/h) but i calculated that i would probably need to wait for like 50% efficient solar panels until it would give me enough range for my daily commute and even then it would only do that for like only 6 month per year so not perfect but that's still alot less charging so it's definitely an improvement.

[@513eis]

I ride my Zero SR half above 60 and half at or below 40. My range is a solid 110 to 130 to empty. I also accelerate smooth (Most of the time). Keep in mind that habits that save you gas, directly apply to saving you KWH.

[@michaelclark3192]

I've ridden an electric Gogoro 125cc 100kmh class electric scooter in Taiwan which has swappable batteries so you don't have to ever charge. The scooter was better in almost every way compared to the 125 Yamaha I had and the range was almost as comparable. I rode the bike all day including riding up a mountain and back into the city and I still had half a charge left. These scooters could accelerate much quicker as it had instant torque off the line and they were also not silent with a futuristic electric whine. I hope they can expand to other countries with their whole ecosystem of battery swap stations as there was no disadvantage with having to wait recharging and as the batteries on a bike are not as big as a car you don't need machinery to swap batteries out. The Gogoro scooter had 2 batteries under the seat and still enough room for a helmet. Gogoro is so successful in Taiwan that they have produced hundreds of thousands of electric scooters and are getting almost 10% of the motorcycle market there and 90% of the electric bike market. The system has also been utilised by third party manufacturers like Yamaha to create their own electric scooters for the Taiwanese market but use the same battery system. Petrol engines won't be going anywhere soon but it's exciting seeing a choice in the market that's being lead by technology.

[@guruvyas953]

RIP hayabusa in India 😩

[@archiewilson4943]

Still waiting for an end fact that I don't already know.

[@SnelleJaapie]

One solution to both problems of electrical quietness and combustion pollution. Hydrogen Combustion engines. But sadly to this day it INCREDIBLY unstable and bit high cost to produce.

[@DanielJLopes]

Thank you for another great video. I of course, think gas bikes will stay for a long long time. I would love to have an electrical bike as a second bike. BUT remember Lithium powered bikes are not as clean as the seller will tell you. ;) Bom trabalho! :)

[@orangeballs4536]

All electric cars? sure. All electric bikes? I don't know bout that.

[@craigfirman1809]

Nah the same as there is I.C.E purests in motorcycles the same goes for cars. Short of banning I.C.E cars, which the US will never do. Some form of I.C.E cars will survive even if its only a tiny percent.

[@Payteer]

@@craigfirman1809 Manufacturers won't build ICE bikes if it becomes cheaper to build electric. Regulations are shifting it already due to emissions. By 2035-40 you'll find it very hard to find ICE engines.

[@josephdanmathis1876]

Standardize the electric bike power pack. Just pull up to a gas station that is equipped for electric vehicles. Lift your (gas tank) pull out a 25 or 30 lb power pack slide it into the appropriate receptacle. Grab a fresh pack slide it in your bike, ready to go. blockchain and Bluetooth keeps up with who has what packs and how they treat them everything is recorded properly by Big Brother. wham bam no more waiting on charges. Pay by subscription or pay by the mile like gasoline.

[@josephdanmathis1876]

You're welcome

[@GreyZonex]

I wish to have an electrique bike that has a mean supersport look.. for sound.. just have speakers and can actually download the sound you want.. Amen

[@MrDarrylR]

E-motorcycles would be well suited to the commuting/errand role, but at present there just aren't many aiming for this power range (19-34 kW, 25-46 HP). Just the Zero S & FXS, with perhaps the Chinese Evoke Urban S & Niu RQi coming in the near future. The Zeros are up to twice the price of a comparable 250-400 cc, because batteries are still so expensive. Alas, most current e-motorcycle offerings are more like the 1st generation Tesla Roadster. Fast, but expensive, heavy (for a sports car), and with so much range anxiety. Rich man's toys. That said, I like the idea of quiet running, mechanical simplicity and environmental goals. Only expendables would be tires, brake fluid/pads, and belt, so maintenance intervals could climb into the cage range. A moderately priced and powered electric (I don't need to go 100+ mph on my commute) would make a useful complement to a gas motorcycle (for more sporty or-far flung adventures). Not great for some living situations, but if you've got a garage for nightly charging you're set.

[@plasma_659]

i personally want a mankame ep-1 but theyre not in production yet and are 70k away from being made, search it up to find more, its electric btw

[@mikaels-p6765]

When you were talking about the amount of energy in gasoline, you forgot to say that a modern engine only get 40% out of that energy as power

[@savagetuner2404]

That's exponentially better than what batteries can store, but who cares about that

[@mikaels-p6765]

@@savagetuner2404 The difference is just.... 60% less. When he talks about the point the difference sounds so much bigger than it actually is. But who cares about that

[@savagetuner2404]

Mikael S-P I don’t care about sound. Electric bikes are good for people who aren’t enthusiasts. Same with cars.

[@mikaels-p6765]

@@savagetuner2404 okay, I don't get where you are going.....

[@alphalobster8021]

Electricity has to be generated, transmitted and served. Up to 50% losses in transmission from the power station, 20% loss when super charging and battery loss of 5% every 100 charging cycles.

[@siddharthckiller3047]

Papa yamm made my day

[@513eis]

Very good point. as you point out, IC engines decline performance/efficiencies over time as much as if not more than current battery tech. If you were to replace a battery and replace a motor, the motor might be cheaper today. I believe this will change within the next couple years as tech gets better. ...and the new battery will most likely have more power and last longer than the last one. I don't think this is always the case for ICE.

[@krazykorean42069]

Lol solid fact at the end XD

[@TROllingNINJA2031]

Says Model S shows roadster

[@Fightre_Flighte]

Thank you.

[@crossplanetriple]

One thing that I thought you were going to mention but didn't, electric motorcycles have no CLUTCH.

[@rival2028]

No wheelies, well you could probably pull of a power wheelie but... 😪

[@CloroxGodThe1st]

@@rival2028 No wheelies?? Dude u have no fuckin idea.

[@maxximum.effort]

In Energica or Zero, they commonly have 4 modes. Eco, Sport, Turbo, and (I forgot the other one). My electric motorcycle have speed selector or clutch is what you call in the gas world, only 1/2/3 gear is what we call it here. Not all electric bikes are the same. There are small distributors of electric vehicles that are not known yet but all electric powered vehicles here have 3 types of speed, number 3 for the fastest. And I disagree for the electric motorcycles can't even do a wheelie. You have not met Zero bikes yet. *sorry for the wrong grammars*

[@thorstambaugh1520]

@@rival2028 LOL They wheelie forever believe me.

[@rival2028]

@@CloroxGodThe1st educate me. Do they!?

[@archiewilson4943]

That old gixxer was actually really cool looking. I would for sure roll that.

[@Hermelin.G1]

archie wilson yup!

[@danbolton3087]

I've got a cbt legal electric motorbike with 170nm of torque. Perfect for around cities as it will do 0-40 in seconds but after that its really slow. If you haven't ridden one yet I would really try to, someone I work with has ridden super bikes for about 20 years now and says that my bike is really fun and pretty impressive for what it is. Just need to get used to being really smooth with throttle because it will go of you're not careful

[@blackassnight]

My whole adventure into bikes was due to electrics, (scoots/zero’s) then realized torque and power was cheaper and funner(?) with gas lol

[@AngelJimenez-js3mg]

Wait till you see the Damon Hypersport motorcycle

[@bhosterman]

Electric motors and batteries make tons of heat! Geezz! Tesla has a dedicated system to cool the batteries. I am a RC hobby - est (sp?) and the ESP in my trucks have their own cooling fans. The motor has a giant heat sink and can burn you after a run. You are discouraged from charging a hot battery. All hobby stores sell heat/thermometer guns to help manage your setup to avoid heat damage. How could you get this aspect so wrong?

[@toddguitar19]

Great perspective!!!!

[@christopherpeters409]

The only thing I like about the electric bike is less maintenance cheaper and they have more torque. Gas though will always be my fav more soul. It's not the same

[@dylanstack8710]

What are the transmissions like on these bikes? As he says the roar of the motor and the understanding of where you are in the revs and transferring the power to the rear wheel is intimate and poetry in motion. Do you get this experience on an electric bike? Or is it just like riding a scooter?

[@zacnielsencoaching]

Awesome video! I’m keen to see what the future holds for E-Bikes. For the moment, I’m looking at getting an SV650 as a commuter.