Electric Outboard VS Trolling Motor | ePropulsion Spirit 1.0 Plus VS Minn Kota Traxxis

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One of the most common questions I get asked is what is the difference between an electric outboard and trolling motor. In this video I SHOW YOU. I do a head to head testing and detailed comparison of the ePropulsion Spirit 1.0 Plus VS the Minn Kota Traxxis.
I will break down the specs and cost of each motor. Give you an introduction to both systems. Then we will take the Spirit 1.0 Plus and the Traxxis for a test spin in the same boat, a Tracker Topper 1036. I'll show you the top speeds of each competitor as well as show you calculated run times. I'll do my best to explain battery life, calculations, and pros and cons. I weigh both set ups on camera, as well as show you the portability of each. I will do a detailed comparison of both units showing their advantages, features, and construction. Lastly, I will give you my personal conclusion!
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[@JBJHonez]

The price of the electric outboards is what’s keeping me from getting one

[@beautifulhumans6614]

Same here

[@greggeldridge9099]

Yup...me too. But want one so bad.

[@pandaoverboard]

i AGREE

[@fester.]

you could buy 10 for the price of that propulsion

[@landryayaan5215]

i know im asking the wrong place but does any of you know a tool to log back into an instagram account..? I somehow forgot the account password. I would love any tricks you can give me.

[@DavidGriffis]

Great point about comparing battery life when running at the same speed...

[@cle5823]

The Spirit is nice but, you should have used two Dakota Lithium 54ah batteries for the Minnkota to be a fair comparison. That would make the cost equal and the weight difference minimal and the run time on the Minnkota would be way more than the Spirit outboard. Top speed would of course be the same.

[@AnthonyJonesBrigadeBoats]

I'm not spending 1,000$ on 12v batteries for a trolling motor. I think that's the point. I was showing the common setup that everyday guys use, then a setup twice the price which is plug and play. If you watched the video, you will show I covered the lithium option in it. If you see value in that option then that is your choice. The traxxis setup would still be heavier by 20pds w the lithium and no doubt in my mind that the Spirit would still be faster. No way the Traxxis is making up 33% of its top speed just by switching to lithium. But yes, I'd love to have ran both off the exact same battery, im confident the Spirit would still outperform the Traxxis.

[@sharonbraselton4302]

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[@freighttrain7143]

@@AnthonyJonesBrigadeBoats You did it right, imo. What's happening is folks hoping that their trolling motor would compete with a modern e-prop are a bit ruffled feathers that it frankly can't. It's just technological improvement, folks. Trolling motors are based on a LOT of old technology. Simple as that. What's coming next? E-Props that start borrowing trolling motor features, like gps, spot lock, navigating, waypoints, transducers, alll that. Because right now the best option is still BOTH. The e-prop(of any brand) is by far a better outboard, but it does none of the Keeping You On The Fish stuff that a nice trolling motor can. The trolling motor cannot give you the power(until they make a 200lb thrust trolling motor) and long lasting runtime of the e-prop and the e-prop gives you none of the fish catching perks that the trolling motor does.

[@SB-dg8hq]

A 12 volt 100 ah lithium ion battery today is around $400 and it will have multiple uses when not in the boat. With a inverter it can be used to power devices around the house incase of a power outage or run a 12v coolbox on the boat. You would only need one 12v lithium ion battery to power the trolling motor as with a lithium ion battery you will be able to use 90% of the power in the battery, whereas with the lead acid battery you will only be able to to use 50 % of the power in the battery before it gets damaged. A 70 lb watersnake with a brushless motor is around $500 add a $400 lithium ion battery and you are good to go for less than half the price of the ePropulsion motor.

[@mikemendes7598]

Nice comparison! I recently traded/sold a Honda 5HP 4 stroke for a MotorGuide 82lb trolling motor, with 2 X 12V deep cycle batteries. (I got a lot of cash as well.) I will be using it to drive a small sailboat on a protected lake. I have been interested in how fast, how long, etc., and I think your setup is very similar. Not having to deal with gas, a gas tank, cranky carbs, (at altitude) tune ups, oil changes, winterizing, and so forth won me over. If I had a bigger budget, the ePropulsion looks to be the new leader in small OB's. Well done!

[@florida__jack]

Such an incredibly in-depth review! Certainly answers real questions for most who are interested. The epropulsion is such a good match for smaller Jonboats👍 I am definitely considering it🤔👍

[@1010mero]

Two years later this motor is going strong kzbin.infoUgkxBZWgzfpS2Jj7JqIHyaSZjyVHNUgCKCBf Just uploaded a video of it after 2 years. We use it probably a dozen days each year on our small raft.-original review- We got this motor the other day and tested it out. I don't have anything to compare it to, but it seems good to me. It has all the features advertised - the motor housing is metal. We will see how it performs longer term and I will revise this review if needed. Some initial observations:- Good thrust, moves our boat around really well- It comes with a circuit breaker but no switch - so there's no way to kill the motor other than yanking the connection off the battery. I installed an inline switch.- The mount bracket is plastic and I worry it might break- There are a number of plastic parts that I worry about, but the most important ones are metal or some kind of composite

[@AugustPowell-hz2vo]

This is the first trolling motor I have owned. It’s been great! Lots of thrust. Would recommend.

[@billclinton94]

exactly what i was looking for thanks man.

[@jasonbroom7147]

Actually, you can get two 100-AH lithium batteries for quite a bit less than the units you showed in your video. The SOK drop-in replacement is one option, as is a very simple build using pre-configured Lynx battery modules. This would make the two options quite similar in price and performance, but with one significant advantage for the traditional trolling motor, and that is the ability to use the same batteries for a variety of other activities, like camping, ice-fishing and emergency home backup power. Since a lot of us leave the motor attached to the boat and the batteries in the boat, full-time, this reduces that one advantage, but it brings up a question I have about the ePropulsion option. With my boats, I have on-board charging systems so that when I get home I just plug in a single cable and I'm ready to go the next time I want to hit the water. What are the options for charging the ePropulsion battery without removing it from the motor?

[@sharonbraselton4302]

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[@freighter1097]

You can charge the ePropulsion battery while it is on the motor. You can also purchase the unit without the battery, and buy the cable to use your own 48v battery/battery bank.

[@freighttrain7143]

It shortens the gap, but there would still be a HUGE difference in performance as the Spirit is 60% faster - that is A LOT. It also doesn't work in return on investment, as the traxxis is going to keep getting weaker with its cheap, brushed motor, and the spirit is not. The only advantage the trolling motor could have is if it was an iPilot equipped model, such that it gives you features the Spirit does not(gps. spot lock, navigation features and waypoints), but MinnKota puts the iPilots at a large mark-up from a Traxxis, so it fails to show any advantage there, either. Frankly, as an outboard....they just don't compete directly. It's either an e-Prop(of any brand) or Something Cheaper But Worse with a trolling motor(of any brand).

[@jasonbroom7147]

@@freighttrain7143 - It's really not that simple, though...do you need a trolling motor or an outboard? On many small lakes, all you need is a trolling motor. On some lakes, you could really use both, but if I ever have to choose between an outboard or a trolling motor, on a lake where I'm going to fish, I'll choose the trolling motor.

[@freighttrain7143]

@@jasonbroom7147 It IS that simple. I made it very simple: Frankly, as an outboard....they just don't compete directly. As an outboard, the trolling motor(brand irregardless) is outclassed. It's very simple. All the different scenarios you brought up change nothing about what I said, which is what this video was about. AS. AN. OUTBOARD. MOTOR. type comparison, not overall.

[@HavingWandered]

Just salvaged a 104ah “24v” lithium electric boat battery, replaced proprietary bms, etc and now just waiting for the rain to stop for first test with my 86lb trolling motor. This battery tops out at 29.05v so it should run the trolling motor slightly higher rpm vs my 2 SLAs (160lbs total btw). Think I got around 3hr run time on SLAs with significant drop off on speed. This is on a 5 person inflatable dingy with aluminum floorboard. Still well under $1k for battery, electronics AND motor… :-).

[@christrout713]

Part of the story too is that old working trolling motors are kicking around craigslist and facebook marketplace for CHEAP. That won't be the case for the new electric outboards for a long time. For me, on a budget, I'm happy with a troller for now.

[@peterjorgensen3]

Used Torqeedos are floating around for $1000 now if you shop long enough. Still pricey though!

[@74nova36]

@@peterjorgensen3 just plain uneconomical

[@peterjorgensen3]

@@74nova36 It's worth it vs a 3hp gas motor though. At that point the price ceases to matter as much as the massive hassle of trying to keep the thing running reliably, along with the noise, smell, etc. It's a lot easier to just charge up a battery off an outlet at home or solar panel than it is to go get a gas can, drive to a gas station, fill it up, and then haul it to the boat and refill the motor.

[@74nova36]

@@peterjorgensen3 spoken like someone who truly doesn’t understand economy or efficiency. sorry gas stinks to you but it certainly doesn’t make your point valid. The power to weight also doesn’t make sense with electric

[@peterjorgensen3]

@@74nova36 My point is simply that on this small scale economics don't matter as much as safety or reliability. 5hp and up it's a different matter of course.

[@JohnMcNeely]

There is a charging port on the standard floating battery. If you run a canopy, you can have the solar plugged into the battery while fishing or taking a break for lunch. It can extend your time on the water. Also it is possible to purchase an extra of the floating batteries and bring it onboard. After you have run through the first battery, you can connect the solar charger to it, while you are using the second one.

[@rayrebello5608]

For those that are considering ePropulsion, I highly recommend the travel bags. They are very well built and perfect for transporting/storing the two components. We are very happy with the total system that we purchase at the 2020 Seattle Boat Show.

[@TheKetamineSquid]

but they're also $4k

[@bexraphaela]

I must compliment you on the very well made and super informative video! I have a polyester console 4m v-bottom motorboat. I used to run it with an Amarew XM80R which is 12v, 13kg and 80lbs thrust with 2 12v 100A gel batteries of 30kg’s each. I hated to carry so much around but it got me about 4.5mph in ideal waters without wind. Thnx to this video I just ordered the spirit 1.0 evo r and will consider buying the extra spirit battery too. I just can’t wait to try it. If I’ll get the same speed you showed in the video I’d be a very, very happy costumer. Besides, Epropulsion just makes eye catching stuff, and you want your boat to look good and not be the scrappy one on the water 😂

[@SendItJonBoats]

Nice work on the video cuzin! Them fancy electric motors are cool.

[@stehekinreservation3402]

Does the ePropulsion have 360 steering? I have CraigCat boats that I have been running MinnKota trolling motors that I convert to bow mount (the motor sits slightly forward between the seats). If I can do the same with the ePropulsion, I am very interested.

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

That Spirit outboard is similar to a Torqeedo. I really like electric outboard motors and hope to be running one myself in the future.

[@74nova36]

Are we all watching the same videos lol. Waiting for JohnnyRude to show up

[@sailingsvandorina9758]

We run a 86lb 24v bison trolling motor - £150, shortened the shaft (they are far too long as standard) , upgraded the prop (£15) and use a 6s 20,000mah battery. (£100) We get 6 knts (6.9mph) on a 2.7m airdeck dinghy and I've had it 3 years, used all the time in saltwater. It has never been in freshwater. Never even washed. If the brushes fail, its £1 and 10 minutes to change them. I haven't had to do this yet. Total weight of our setup - 15kg including the battery. So at 1/6 the cost, its faster, and puts out 1100w *measured*. If I want increased range, just buy another £100 battery. Not an Epropulsion 48v battery that is VERY expensive. Furthermore, if it does go wrong, it can be fixed easily. If the eprop' goes wrong, its back to a dealer. I appreciate the video but its not really fair to compare 2 things you have. I would be intrigued to see the actual thrust output at standstill between the two, as that's what a trolling motor is designed for.

[@gamerclips3900]

Way too long

[@-WiseGuy-]

@@gamerclips3900 And you're proud of that short attention span, are you?🤦🏻‍♂️

[@chrisstover2976]

Would the spirit remove the need for an additional trolling motor?

[@richardwood6183]

Great motor testing dude. Gonna order one!

[@AnthonyJonesBrigadeBoats]

AWESOME!!! Please tell them I sent you!

[@bdtang]

I ended up picking up the spirit 1.0 plus since the 55lb thrust newport trolling motor wasn’t powerful enough to fight outgoing tides in the bay for my 12ft inflatable Saturn boat. The spirit 1.0 has no problems and has plenty of power - it’s no contest between the two.

[@sharonbraselton4302]

eryrç baykiñer 175 32 kw batery

[@talohaji3394]

Bought me a 45lbs trolling motor for $5 at yard sale lol

[@sharonbraselton4302]

gíd fiyr yiu

[@carteralexander5507]

W

[@74nova36]

Hell yeah I got my old 80s Minn Kota 55lb still rocking for free. Someone just tossing it. Had to repair a toggle clamp

[@carlosreyes6448]

👌 wow

[@urdaddy9377]

I got a 55lb endura for 20 yesterday 😂

[@seansysig]

So you must be a compensated reviewer? Your reviews do not compare apples to apples. We call them skewed reviews.

[@PJSpojken]

You mean he got no clothes or hats from Minn Kota.. Yeah its a clearly review in favor of one brand.

[@sargentga]

You should toss this on the Top gun Jonboat and see what numbers you get, especially since that's closer to what most people would be running.

[@mathijsdevries728]

‘The proof of the pudding is in the eating’. Sorry, just my OCD kicking in... VERY nice review by the way! Nice pace and good, relevant info. 😁👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@AnthonyJonesBrigadeBoats]

Well, the proof is in the pudding is a new twist on a very old proverb. The original version is the proof of the pudding is in the eating. And what it meant was that you had to try out food in order to know whether it was good. So, over the years, the original proverb has evolved. The original was the proof of the pudding is in the eating. It was shortened to the proof of the pudding, and then here in America, it morphed again to the proof is in the pudding.

[@mathijsdevries728]

@@AnthonyJonesBrigadeBoats Well then.., there I go with my three years of high-school English. And ‘never too old to learn’ is another proverb that comes to mind. 😅 I like your thinking and I now think I have to subscribe to your channel! 😁👊🏻

[@erickeith1466]

I've been at this sort of thing for a while and also also deal with this kind of tech for work. Electric trolling motors are not direct replacements for gas powered outboard engines and not comparable to electric outboards. Here's the math that will settle this. A gas powered outboard gives you 40lb of thrust per HP. So even an old 5HP two-stroke outboard will give you at least 200 lb of thrust (worst case). To get 200lb of thrust, you're way outside a trolling motor and in the realm of expensive electric outboards with 36/48V lithium battery banks. Back to the trolling motor...If you want to get around slow, quiet, and smooth, on a Fairweather day, an electric trolling motor will do the job. But pair it up with a 50-100ah lithium to be fair; lead acid to drive a trolling motor is bad application. In a calm marina, 40-70lb thrust trolling motors are good enough for light to heavy loads. I use a Minn kota 50 lb thrust riptide on a 7ft inflatable dinghy mostly in the marina and it gets around 4-5 people well enough. Out in open water, with heavy load of humans, it will make it, but definitely sketchy. Finally, my 6 HP two-stroke Johnson outboard makes my 7ft dinghy a rocket in the water, will literally lift the nose out of the water and nearly sink the motor if I don't spread out bodies. To get the same effect with an electric motor, I'd need 200-250lb of thrust on a brushed motor running off of 48V battery bank, capable of putting out a 1000-watts for sustained periods. Anyway, as you can see, it's apples and oranges.

[@redwood1957]

On the spirt what is the minimum and max shaft length? Thank you

[@rudetoy8264]

Very useful comparison and great disseminate of both electric motor information!

[@AnthonyJonesBrigadeBoats]

Glad you liked it!

[@matthewalcorn352]

Did you say that you would buy 4 sets of batteries for the Minn vs the IL battery in the Spirit? Over the lifespan doesn't that make the Minn basically the same price as the Spirit?

[@connor92858]

I might be wrong but I'm sure if you add a PWM(Pulse Width Modulator) to the trolling motor the battery will last longer, the default speed controller doesn't limit the power it dumps the excess and you still use the same amount of battery as the fastest speed on the lowest setting, I'm not just talking I did get myself one and it seems to work but idk much when it comes to the calculations but there are a few videos if you search for them if that helps you or anyone else who doesn't want to break the bank.

[@x5elite77]

How does the electric motor work for trolling ?

[@eviththompson8496]

You should always run identical batteries in a 24v system!

[@henrikh484]

in fact should run identical "cells" in any voltage setup :)

[@drafish]

Thanks! Great video…thanks for great info. I hope to sell my old Triton soon and go all electric with a 14’ Jon boat (maybe Grizzly) in 2023. Am searching the web now for a used Jon boat. The info here is excellent-so I will be in the market right after the holidays. Thanks Anthony-hope to see you on the tournament water in the new year!

[@AnthonyJonesBrigadeBoats]

David, just now seeing this comment! THANK YOU so much for the generous support!!! The Grizzlies are great boats. Good luck finding and setting up an electric rig. I'm here to help. Thanks again, and happy new year!

[@leomdk939]

where can I get that gooseneck & clamp you are using for your phone? It's so long!

[@andersholmstrom3571]

Does the epropulsion have the e-motor down at the propeller or up in the topside part where the battery is placed? If it is at the top I assume you have shafts and gtears. What are the losses in that system?

[@AnthonyJonesBrigadeBoats]

They are direct drive. I don't have the exact answer for you beyond that.

[@Luposian]

How much power (HP) do I need to propel my 16' LOA x 7' Beam 1981 Citation Marquis at 5 knots with an electric outboard?

[@sharonbraselton4302]

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[@cobrasvt347]

Damn I thought you made a Traxxas RC powered trolling motor 🤔 still was interesting to watch. 👍

[@mrhalfstep]

You covered every important piece of data to make this comparison very meaningful. You clearly demonstrated the undeniable run time advantage of the ePropulsion motor, but it is actually better than you demonstrated. A lead acid battery only delivers its rated amp hours if those amps are low enough that the battery would take 20 hours to discharge. They call it the 20 hour rate or 20HR. That means that a 110 AH battery will hold up for 20 hours if and only if you limit the draw to 5.5 amps. What that means is that if you run the MinnKota motor at full throttle for 1hr 18min you haven't discharged the battery to 50% DOD, but much lower than that. Very few times running the motor for 2+ hours (which is a lower DOD than 80%) will result in reducing your LA batteries' usable life to probably less than half, and LA batteries don't give many charge cycles to begin with. If you actually were to run the MinKota at full throttle for 1hr and 18 min you would not have been going anywhere near 4 MPH for any length of time. The battery voltage would have started sagging early on and would have gotten worse and worse as the time went on, thus slowing the motor's speed. That wouldn't have been the case with the ePropulsion motor. The LiFePO4 battery that you suggested would definitely bypass that problem, but as you said, even in mid 2022, with the prices coming down on the Chinese import batteries, you're talking $700-$800 for a pair of 12.8volt 100ah batteries that can deliver 42 amps. What I want to find is a replacement prop for 12 and 24 volt trolling motors that will give more speed and then a LiFePO4 battery upgrade would be a viable option. Any high pitch props out there for MinKota or Motor Guide?

[@larsvegas1505]

ur right on that... and thats why people went over to lithium.. u can buy all parts on ali, get a 120 amp lithium for about 400 bucks incl shipping, just put it together by urself.. at that point its only 2 times the price of lead acid.. but u have 2 times the power also.. and it lasts way longer.

[@FougereFamilyAdventures]

Great video. These are very interesting. What's the warranty like on these? Can we get them in Canada?

[@djgruv]

Good video. I'm actually on the fence between the spirit and a small outboard for my bote rover. Not dealing with the gas, oil, storage, and transportation of an gas powered outboard has me leaning toward the spirit. Also the fact that I can troll silently with it is a plus.

[@Revenant_Knight]

Thanks for doing this.It was the EXACT comparison I was looking for. I will be replacing my Minn Kota 55LB with the ePerformance ASAP.

[@AnthonyJonesBrigadeBoats]

Awesome news! You won't be disappointed. Tell them I sent you!! Thanks

[@dangibb1329]

This looks like a fun motor to put on my kayak if the price was right. But there are some questions I have. What is the real world range again? 12.5 hours at 3.2 mpg? Or 4mph for 3.5 hours? With my trolling motor setup I fish all day. Traveling between 8 to 10 miles on the gps with my 12v 55lb thrust endura max and one everstart maxx 29dc battery, which is 120ah. My top speed in my similar little boat is also 4mph, but I rarely need to go that fast fishing, just when spot hopping. There is a no wake speed limit around the coves I fish also. Total I paid for this setup new 4 years ago was just over $400 and it is still working great. If I spent another 100 bucks on an extra battery I could double my range very easily which would bring my total to $500. I'm just wondering what the advantage is for all that extra money, 2mph? How hard is it to change the built in battery, or how long does it take to charge? What does an extra battery cost?

[@lakingz_80]

I got a small sundolphin sportsmen10.. 10 foot boat. What shaft size would you recommend i get for it..

[@AnthonyJonesBrigadeBoats]

Id say Xtra Short shaft

[@r125]

How does the ePropulsion handle at the lowest speeds like you would use a trolling motor for? Like is it a complete replacement for a trolling motor or do you still need one maybe up front?

[@freighttrain7143]

Not a complete replacement because it can only turn in a rudder arc, and it cannot have features like a trolling motor can with gps, spot-lock, navigating waypoints, taking you back to fishing spots, transducer mounts, etc. Unfortunately right now, as cool as e-props are, the ideal setup is still to have both. The e-prop is a superior outboard, and the trolling motor does many things to keep you on the fish, that the e-prop cannot. I wish that weren't true, because either high end trolling motor or e-prop is an expensive addition to a cheaper, smaller boat, and adding both might cost twice the price of a boat, lol.

[@chubbrock659]

thanks for the video! Im wondering if the spirit would make a good kicker motor for a pontoon boat. Trolling at 1.5- 2.5 mph would probably give you close to 4-5 hours run times wouldnt it?

[@tomcen]

that will work.

[@sharonbraselton4302]

yes it is 6 mike toó 12,5 mile ràñge

[@JohnMark61355]

Have you tried a lithium based battery? Mine weighs only 27 pounds and runs my motor for a long time. I was out on a lake with considerable wind, ran for an hour and 15 minutes at 75-100% throttle, and had 80% battery left.

[@sharonbraselton4302]

yess vitvíß

[@brianvandy4002]

If you have 2 grand to spend on a small motor, sure. For that price you can get a lot of lithium batteries and get a day of run time. It's not all about power, but how long you can stay out on the water.

[@justinlemaster1416]

Wonder how fast it would go on my 1448. Looking at getting an electric outboard soon. How does the spirit stack up to say an elco 9.9?

[@ertren6]

I would assume 9.9 smokes it

[@TheOutBoardSurgeon]

Elco cost way more

[@aCpierce22]

They offer a 9.9 version of the spirit

[@sharonbraselton3135]

9.9 hp elco. Almost planspeed

[@pauldorry2459]

High Quality video. Thanks👍

[@AnthonyJonesBrigadeBoats]

thank you 👊

[@kin123459]

Great video how long is the shaft for this spirit 1.0?

[@sfdvr2]

Like!! I'm going to check into this for my 15ft. Boston Whaler as a trolling motor

[@AnthonyJonesBrigadeBoats]

works great!

[@sharonbraselton4302]

nope get there 5⁰ hp ejtrç out board 13 wmfht whaer 2⁰bhp 20 moh 20 moóliecrabge

[@erickessler6094]

Great Video Brother! I have a little 15' sailboat and wanted an electric option to replace my Tohatsu 3.5HP 2-Stroke. Looks like a nice, though expensive option. Cheers, Eric

[@sharonbraselton3135]

Mercy. 7.5

[@adamniebrzydowski3792]

You could get LiFe PO4 for your traxxis as well, but you just compared Li to Pb. Not so smart...

[@demonhuntermoonwolf244]

Agreed. Not a fair comparison by a long shot.

[@BradsHacks]

@@demonhuntermoonwolf244 Didn't Anthony address this at 7:45? What do you find insufficient about his argument there?

[@thewolfhunter]

Shop the market place and the Minn Kota cheaper.. Also.. In 2018 ePropulsion was named one of the most 50 valuable Chinese Technological companies ..Made in China.🇨🇳 Minn Kota, Mankato, Minnesota.USA🇺🇸

[@AnthonyJonesBrigadeBoats]

Assembled in U.S. and made in U.S. are two completely different things. I'm rigging my boat with the best technology regardless of what country of origin it comes from. The video speaks for itself. I can tell by your flag profile picture your stance and there's nothing wrong with that. Your choice. Meanwhile, you probably typed that comment on an Apple computer or iPhone that was made in China....

[@thewolfhunter]

@@AnthonyJonesBrigadeBoats ,iPhone ,Yea you are probably right.If you know of one made in the U.S. let me know. I respect wanting what's best fits you and to make a living off of that product. No disrespect But myself I would rather help keep U.S. citizens working rather than the Chi-Coms.. As for assembled and made in the U.S.. ⏬⏬⏬⏬⏬ kzbin.info/www/bejne/joiYi55nltmVpqs

[@AnthonyJonesBrigadeBoats]

@@thewolfhunter That's great. Heart warming even. My point between "made" and assembled is this- a lot of U.S. based companies claim to be "made" in the U.S. What really happens is a majority of the parts are manufactured in other countries, like China, where it is significantly cheaper. Especially electrical parts or plastics. Shipped here, then assembled in a plant like the video you shared. The problem as I see it is Minn Kota has taken it's market for granted. They were once the best. Unfortunately, I feel it doesn't hold true anymore. They have been passed by competitors like Garmin and Lowrance who offer brushless high end trolling motors like the Force and Ghost. Forget ePropulsion, Minn Kota is losing right here in their own backyard in the trolling motor game. Meanwhile companies like ePropulsion, Torquedo and Elco have taken over the electric outboard market while Minn Kota has stood idle. It should speak volumes that the household name of trolling motors has 7 THOUSAND LESS SUBSCRIBERS THAN ME. They aren't with the times. That's ok. Doesn't matter. Guys like you will keep them in business forever by buying it anyway despite the competition producing better products. You want American made. Forget that China already owns half our soil, market, and politicians. You probably touch and own 1,000 things a day made there. So long as your trolling motor is assembled in the US of A.

[@77batrider73]

Is there an option for a longer range or possibly a secondary battery?

[@RandomButtonPusher]

That is shown in the video.

[@skybluadventures4649]

Excellent Comparison👍, aside from the significant performance improvements, you are going to get years of service from this set up that you don’t get from the trolling motor or lead acid batteries. No cool points either 😉

[@AnthonyJonesBrigadeBoats]

It's a no Brainerd to me but I admit I'm partial to the ePropulsion!

[@saskgui]

Thanks for the review, have been using a Minn Kota 40Lb thrust as my main propulsion for the past 20 years on a 12.5 foot inflatable and am debating buying this motor. As this propeller is not weedless how often are you cleaning weeds off? Also how difficult is it to reach the prop? On a Minn Kota of course you can just pull it directly up then with a slight tilt it is easy to reach the prop.

[@bdtang]

You can tilt up the epropulsion very easily - just pull the lever and tilt up. It’s really no contest - I went from a 55lb thrust trolling to the epropulsion since the trolling motor wasn’t powerful enough to really fight outgoing tides in the bay but the epropulsion has no problems at all.

[@saskgui]

@@bdtang Thanks for the comment, I just purchased the unit and am waiting for delivery. I hear the charger is not great on these units in that they don't show the current battery percentage?

[@bdtang]

@@saskgui the unit shows the run time based on you’re current power you’re using (how much of the throttle 0-1000watts). If you have it full throttle, at 1000 watts should give your 1:15 of run time. If back off just a bit extends the run time quite a bit. When charging, I only take the battery inside to charge and there’s no display except a red or green light to let you know it’s done charging. I ordered the solar charger adapter so you can charge it as it’s running out on the water - plan on getting a small 100watt foldable solar panel to put on top of the small bimini top to see how long it’ll extend the run time.

[@AllThingsFunHydrographics]

WOW.... where did you find that sexy model to bring the electric outboard down the boat ramp???

[@AnthonyJonesBrigadeBoats]

LOVE'S truck stop parking lot outside Winder GA

[@andylimb]

ATF brings you a e-motor and you can’t give him a “Send it”. Shame. 😂

[@edwinrcorbin2579]

Do you think that this electric outboard would be a better alternative to purchasing a Honda 2.3 gasoline powered outboard motor to fit on a Nucanoe Unlimited model kyack? The Honda motor would be just under $1000 with additional expense for proper batteries.

[@sharonbraselton4302]

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[@jasonstokley7274]

No.

[@pierceturner3711]

My electric trolling motor last 8+ hours and i got with it’s battery for 300 (It goes 3-5mph)

[@sharonbraselton4302]

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[@willjunkin732]

Very good review on the 2 products. Maybe one day I can get one of those epropulsion units. Side note. Do you ever have any luck fishing that lake? Its about 15 min from my house and go at least once a month. 👍

[@fireantfishing]

Yargo has monsters

[@willjunkin732]

@@fireantfishing really cause I either get skunked or catch 1 or 2 dinks

[@AnthonyJonesBrigadeBoats]

@@willjunkin732 I've never fished Yargo. We went there this one time to film. Actually went 30 mins north of Athens only to find my original location to be closed, my secondary spot was also closed that day, Yargo was 40 mins away so we went there. Wasn't my first choice but it worked.

[@jakeduncan1438]

unfortunate that the tiller cant extend or retract, or move position on the spirit. love the motor, but it wont work on my canoe with my seat installed. Otherwise, I would have one. good review.

[@mariokarner1563]

Not hating here but i feel this quick vid is more of an ad than real comparison.Personally the e-prop thing looks amazing and prob performs over the regural trollers BUT there are other factors to consider when throwing a couple of k-s towards this.For instance ,to me ,the e-prop is more of an "i-phone" type of tool rather than a "samsung" or "ulefone", not saying that I-phones are bad ,its just a question :"Do i really need one?".I myself am looking for an electric outboard motor for better top speed ,but more speed equals exponentially more dollah.And there are quit a few companys out there with options. I feel that buying one of these e-props means dedication to one company to beyond i want my wallet to be dedicated. Me engrish ,s great ay?

[@alanwinge8775]

Have you tried a Kipawa propeller for a trolling motor?

[@AnthonyJonesBrigadeBoats]

No, ive heard good things though

[@alanwinge8775]

Thank you for the feedback, I have heard that they work well on a light boat like that with a higher thrust trolling motor like that. The cost is about the same as the OEM prop.

[@JoeStoffa]

I have the Kipawa on my 40 lb Minnkota, it did give me an extra 0.4 mph on my 15’ Kaboat (3.5 mph to 3.9 mph). It does draw more amperage though due to the higher pitch, so there’s no free lunch. Makes me a little nervous since I’m running a li-ion battery, but my best guess is that the electronics in my 40 lb Endura max are the same as in the 55 lb, so hopefully I’ll be OK.

[@tonolegarda9919]

What length shaft (XS or S) is your Spirit 1.0 Plus featured in the video? What is transom height of your boat?

[@AnthonyJonesBrigadeBoats]

XS and I believe it was 16 inches if I recall correctly

[@tonolegarda9919]

@@AnthonyJonesBrigadeBoats You mean your transom height is 16 inches? If my transom height is 12 inches, what length shaft (XS or S) would you recommend? Thanks.

[@AnthonyJonesBrigadeBoats]

ePropulsion site states : 11.8- 15.7 inch transom- XS shaft 15.7- 19.7 inch transom- S shaft

[@tonolegarda9919]

@@AnthonyJonesBrigadeBoats Thanks for reply! Good job on the vid!

[@AnthonyJonesBrigadeBoats]

Thank you. It was a hard edit. Happy with it

[@kevinbright1]

Great video. I just got an epropulsion and when I tested it in my living room, it would not go past about 30 watts. Does it need to be in the water to reach full power?

[@AnthonyJonesBrigadeBoats]

Yes, it needs to be and water and have resistance. Enjoy

[@kevinbright1]

@@AnthonyJonesBrigadeBoats got it. Thank you.

[@sharonbraselton4302]

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[@ernestochaparro8751]

In a 17 feet fiberglass boat salt water the Epropulsion works for emergencies ??? When the main motor stop working . Thanks a lot

[@sharonbraselton4302]

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[@sharonbraselton3135]

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[@keithfreese2685]

I'm in Knoxville. Any local dealers around here? Or in your area?

[@AnthonyJonesBrigadeBoats]

I would just use the link in the video description to submit you info, it's the "try before you buy" link. I know we are establishing dealers in Ga, and may already have one or two near me, and working on one up north of you as well. Its coming. They already distribute in the U.S. but are working hard on grass roots dealers. Please reach out to me on Instagram direct messages or Facebook messages under Brigade Boats and I can personally connect you with a rep!!!

[@MarkPingel]

Awesome video! What was that app you used for speedometer? I’m looking to replace a 55lbs thrust minnkota and this video was super helpful! Thank you for taking the time to make it!

[@AnthonyJonesBrigadeBoats]

Thank you! Honestly not sure as it was my buddies phone, some random app he downloaded at the dock! Sorry, good luck on your replacement, Spirit is a great option!

[@ahmadmersarani3767]

No need to use gas fuel..but battery fuel and charger only.. nice work..

[@Brisket9392]

Any recommendations on where to purchase? Any discounts available? Thank you.

[@AnthonyJonesBrigadeBoats]

Links in video description take you directly to ePropulsion. Google search, there are plenty of sites selling

[@markanton2349]

Hmmmmm......... Traxxas 70lb thrust is made for moving a large heavy boat with powerful thrust. I surmise if you increase the prop pitch a little bit it might keep up with the speed of the ePropulsion. There used to be a couple of outfits out there that used to make metal props for trolling motors one was cast aluminum and the other was fabricated stainless steel. Tentatively I don't think it's really a fair comparison, one motor is made for moving a barge around and the others made for making a little boat go. I surmise measuring static thrust would be a good indication of what each motor was designed for that could easily be set up by using a spring scale with the motors running at full power pulling on a rope tied to the dock. On the cost of trolling motors in general I've always thought that they've been way overpriced for what you're getting in the last few years. Good general review, ePropulsion will be a Blazer on a wide square stern canoe with an extra battery.

[@lordenoch0]

the bollard pull test

[@markanton2349]

@@lordenoch0 Neat gadget but I don't even think those motors would register on it...😝😝😝

[@kvn826]

Seems strange. I get almost 5mph on my 14foot boat and I have a built deck and subfloor all wood. I only have a 12v 45lb edge, with a 15hp on the back and I weigh 225 lbs. just doesn’t make sense to me that you were that slow on a much lighter set up.

[@kvn826]

Although I’m not saying you’re lying or doing anything strange, because the info and break down is very impressive.

[@AnthonyJonesBrigadeBoats]

@@kvn826 I had a 55lb thrust Newport vessel 12v rear trolling motor on my fully built 14ft boat before as I showed early in video. It would run 3.8 on a good day, usually 3.5 -3.6 average. I guess my question is how your determining your speed. My phone app would tell me speeds of 3.8 bit my Lowrance depth finder would say I was running 4.6 mph which was totally not the case. I personally was surprised, I thought for sure the Traxxis in video would get close to 5 mph but it only got 4. One thing not shown in video is I ran my 6hp Navy on the 10 ft tracker as well and it achieved speed of 10.5 mph. What's the problem with that? Well, the Navy achieved top speed of 11.6, over 1 mph faster, in my 12 ft boat. So that showed my for some reason the short and wide tracker 10x36 was actually a slower hull than my 12x32. Basically, results will vary based on boat. One thing I'm confident of, is that the Spirit will outperform any trolling motor no matter the boat but top speeds may vary. Hope this helps, thanks for watching.

[@kvn826]

@@AnthonyJonesBrigadeBoats I don’t disagree with you about the spirit, and if I was on an electric only lake, I see the value in it. Just thrown off by the numbers I guess. I check my speed in my phone and on my graphs, I have two on the boat. Don’t take what I said as doubting the info... just surprising is all

[@bdtang]

There’s no contest between the epropulsion spirit 1.0 plus vs the Newport 55lb thrust trolling. I wanted to go cheaper with my 12ft inflatable Saturn to go out to the bay for Oregon crabbing so got the Newport - mistake - fine between tides but really had trouble with outgoing tides- had to break out the oars too to make any forward progress. The epropulsion spirit 1.0 has no problems at all - more power and faster top speeds.

[@GravityRoller]

@@AnthonyJonesBrigadeBoats Constructive comment related to various "speed" quotes for consideration. Method of measure should be consistent, and mentioned. Example: Phone apps are obviously using GPS (method of measure). Lowrance etc. could be using various method of measure (GPS, Water-Speed, Ground-Speed), each resulting different values for a constant speed.

[@ARob16x]

ugh Anthony shes alone XD (she left haha nice video Anthony)

[@arjanvanvugt1933]

Trying to make up my mind about torqeedo vs epro. Reading terrible stories about torqeedo after just 3 years. Do you have any experience long term with this brand? Great video btw I’m definitely dumping my Haswing :)

[@sharonbraselton4302]

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[@jont123]

Buying one!

[@AnthonyJonesBrigadeBoats]

Awesome!

[@michaelbartonmdb3]

Apples to oranges to support your bias. Twice the price I would hope that it’s a little bit better...

[@AnthonyJonesBrigadeBoats]

I got a new video coming out that's apples to apples. ePropulsion 3HP VS Torqeedo 3HP

[@stevengraham185]

Man !!! You sold me 😃. What do you think about one of these on a Wate Tende 9.4 Dinghy ? Thank you

[@sharonbraselton3135]

Buy it

[@ericmulcahey1]

Great video, I have to ask where did you get the phone holder.

[@AnthonyJonesBrigadeBoats]

Amazon

[@ericmulcahey1]

Do you remember the name brand?

[@AnthonyJonesBrigadeBoats]

I do not, it was a long time ago! Sorry

[@ericmulcahey1]

@@AnthonyJonesBrigadeBoats, no worries.

[@ken5360]

If you search "gopro clamp mount" you'll be able to find something similar. Just need an adapter to go from gopro mount to a phone mount

[@billspeidell9319]

I am concerned about the height of the throttle if installed on a small pontoon. It seems like it would be very low and have no height adjustment.

[@AnthonyJonesBrigadeBoats]

A lot of guys use Helmsmate pivoting tiller extension handles. Or there is a remote steering option on the Evo which deletes the tiller altogether.

[@billspeidell9319]

@@AnthonyJonesBrigadeBoats thanks...anyone in Virginia selling these?

[@AnthonyJonesBrigadeBoats]

Im not sure. I highly recommend TBNATION, and they actually have the Spirit 1.0 plus in stock and ready to ship. No delays. Here's the link. Feel free to reach out to them and chat. tbnation.net/products/epropulsion-spirit-1-0-plus-3hp-electric-outboard-motor?ref=builtforbattle&variant=39585207615623

[@billspeidell9319]

@@AnthonyJonesBrigadeBoats thanks...

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[@Revenant_Knight]

Well, my Minn Kota just died on me 1 month out of warranty while out with friends on the lake. Fantastic. I ordered my Spirit 1.0+ because of this video.

[@sharonbraselton4302]

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[@asulliv1954]

I looked all over the internet just to get a price and got nothing!!how much do they run is it as expensive as a Torqeedo the German Company?$2500-$3500

[@AnthonyJonesBrigadeBoats]

www.fishnorthgeorgia.com/r?id=klt1ms Here is dealer info that is local to me! Great guys, can help. You can even call and talk to them if need be.

[@demonhuntermoonwolf244]

Why didn't you use the stock 3 blade propeller that comes standard on all MinnKota trolling motors above a 38lb thrust rating? I know first hand that in its stock configuration and yes run li-po batteries would greatly increase the overall run time and performance of the MinnKota. If you want us to use, believe in, and rely on your product. Then you need to do an actual honest review against every single electric trolling and outboards in your class.

[@AnthonyJonesBrigadeBoats]

I used the minn kota with the prop that came on it. No dishonesty here. In case you haven't seen my video I did a month ago running a Torqeedo head to head against a ePropulsion. I get messages DAILY on Instagram of how much people love their ePropulsion's. In fact their sales are through the roof right now and are on backorder. If you don't like what you see here, that is ok. Perhaps you will see an ePropulsion soon at a lake and like what you see there.

[@sharonbraselton3135]

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[@soonprobe2971]

honestly 2mph doesnt make much a difference plus i can get a used trolling motor and battery for under 500 and still be good to go instead of dropping 2200 after taxes on that outboard

[@AnthonyJonesBrigadeBoats]

That's fine man and i did that for years. At end of day a trolling motor has brushes that wear and are made for trolling, not designed to be primarily source of propolsion for a boat. I could drive around on a spare donut for a while but its not intended to be a primary wheel replacement. But i get it man, each individual has to make a decision on if the value is there. Im just doing a head to head of tge exact set ups ive ran and why i switched. Appreciate the feedback and you checking it out!

[@02051970sonny]

I have the same boat

[@justinbiondi]

but can you run the spirit off AGM batteries?

[@Ivankonermann]

Good video…lots of useful information. Your level of enthusiasm for the epropulsion company brings some question into your neutrality on this, and your willingness to create a fully honest review. The hat, the shirt, the stickers all indicate your sponsored. If you are, please be sure to say so. That will actually add credibility to your review. Thanks!

[@AnthonyJonesBrigadeBoats]

I thought it was evident in everything I do here and on social media, yes I work with ePropulsion... Hence the stickers, hat, shirt, ect. Full disclosure- I choose to work with them because of the quality and performance of their products. I strive to bring trustworthy and quality content here and get approached by a lot of companies. If EPropulsion wasn't what I say or show, believe me I'd be using something else. Sorry for any confusion., Thanks for watching.

[@Ivankonermann]

@@AnthonyJonesBrigadeBoats that’s great - no argument on why you choose to work with them. You clearly believe in the product and are a serious user with a lot of knowledge. Most people who are sponsored say up front that they are sponsored so people aren’t assuming or guessing, that’s all. Also, some people (like me) will stumble across this video without seeing anything else that you do, and don’t have the context. Congratulations on being sponsored - not a lot of people get to that point!

[@naughtydorf18]

If I buy an E propulson motor, some turd might want to steal it from me. That's my fear.

[@CaptainPetrolburner]

Same as any outboard. Good thing is this one is lighter and easier to lock inside your vehicle.

[@dougsharpton6222]

That’s why you lock it on the boat. Or remove it if your not using it

[@MrSteve280]

Manufacturers still haven't cracked the code on performance versus reasonable cost.

[@ruthdoyle9085]

What if trolling motor had lithium batteries?

[@JoeStoffa]

Same here, though Minnkota states that you shouldn’t run over 85% throttle continuously with lithium ion (voltage is higher and doesn’t drop as much under load = more heat).

[@Worthrhetime]

@@BTSgigafactory I set up a 50 AH Battle Born with a 45 MinnKota Traxx , on a Flycraft and have been able to run all day . I put a Victron solar charger in my battery box, plug in a few hours in the AM/ PM . Going to try the sysco out on a 12’ Port a Boat this spring... would like to try a outboard but have had good performance

[@sharonbraselton4302]

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[@jeffbalog5161]

Why would you include price of battery charger on trolling motor?

[@AnthonyJonesBrigadeBoats]

Because battery chargers are a hidden expense and are required to charge batteries. I personally own a 250$ two bank Noco to chsrge all my boats 12v batteries.

[@TheAlexnetea]

Pitty I can't get It in México.

[@peterxiong9824]

Any 🎣 luck @ Yargo?

[@AnthonyJonesBrigadeBoats]

Never fished there. This was my first time there, just to film video. We drove to a lake North of Athens to film, it was closed, back tracked south to Yargo. Needed a lake w minimum traffic , it worked but not my first choice.

[@tiagoscp36]

How can 1 kW be 3HP?

[@colsoncustoms8994]

I’ve got a wide heavy 16’ and it goes faster with a 30 ftlb trolling motor than that 10’ did..

[@Riddlemethisgaming]

That's what I was saying I got a 16 foot jon boat with a trolling moter on the back and front and it hauls butt..if u have 2 ppl u can set both on high and both and either side of the boat can drive

[@masterx11a]

Maybe it's a hull speed issue. Since you're not getting up on plane a longer boat has a higher hull speed. I put a 24 lb troller on my 2500 pound 22 foot sailboat and was pretty impressed.

[@user-fy6be9sd8h]

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[@EpropulsionHk]

This is a professional review video. Good job!

[@joedykeman3823]

Did you notice you start singing very good at 2:52 min?

[@AnthonyJonesBrigadeBoats]

I try

[@aNaturalist]

A long, narrow, and light hull would probably plane to 7 mph with that electric outboard motor.

[@southeasternoutdoors6248]

You should put a 9.9 on the 12ft or the 10ft

[@larsvegas1505]

ive put a 15 on a 12 ft it was too much.. running 8 now..

[@southeasternoutdoors6248]

@@larsvegas1505 ok my friend had a 3.5 on a 12 and fully load with two people and gear goes 10 so I could not imagine

[@sharonbraselton4302]

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