Chevy Silverado EV vs Ford F-150 Lightning vs the World's Toughest Towing Test!

[@newscoulomb3705]

Thanks for the test. The extra regen makes sense to me due to the weight, but I was definitely surprised by the Silverado EV's overall efficiency compared to the Lightning. One thing that I think should have given the Silverado an additional notch in the final ratings is the charging speed. Even with 200+ miles range while towing, you're going to need to charge over long distances, and the fact that the Silverado will need to charge less often but at a faster speed than the Lightning is a huge advantage.

[@kelviskelvis7140]

Those are good points about the Silverado

[@JamesMcLaren1000]

Yep, that charging speed is a big deal, will be bigger when more 350 kW chargers are available.

[@newscoulomb3705]

@@JamesMcLaren1000 Definitely, which is already happening. One of the big issues with Electrify America and even the Tesla Magic Dock is that they are mostly capped at 350 A (essentially 150 kW chargers), so Silverado EV owners will want to prioritize the EVgo 350 kW (with 500 A current) sites. In particular, they will want to look for the new Pilot/Flying locations with pull-through chargers. Walter over at The Network Architect Channel has been doing a great job keeping us updated on the EVgo-Pilot build out and progress.

[@jghall00]

@@newscoulomb3705 Electricify America has 350 kW chargers in many locations.

[@newscoulomb3705]

@@jghall00 A majority of EA's chargers are only 150 kW, many are derated and unable to provide full power, and many of their chargers that are labeled as 350 kW are actually "Balanced" chargers that are splitting 350 kW between two stalls.

[@garys596]

I won't buy anything with subscription based features.

[@Tango-Mike-Bravo]

It's like financing something you already own. Makes no sense.

[@ShaunsJeep]

Agreed

[@mattz3778]

Sadly they are all heading that way.

[@Youtubeuser1aa]

Like a phone?

[@Youtubeuser1aa]

@@Tango-Mike-Bravolike property taxes

[@pa60pilot]

The Silverado also has a significantly higher charge rate than the F-150. That plus rear wheel steering has us leaning towards the Silverado, though we like some features of the Lightning more.

[@guentherwilke2055]

Does the WT4 have RW-steer?

[@boostav]

@@guentherwilke2055 No

[@ThunderandLightningEvPickup]

The Silverado Ev work truck It cost twice as much as the F150 lightning work truck. Similar with the consumer versions. And for the long range battery versions ITS ATLEAST 20K more.

[@sundevilkdaddy]

Let’s just all recognize that these vehicles are both 80…thousand…dollars. Our economy is F’d up.

[@kelviskelvis7140]

I observe that dino juice is $5+ a gal and add DEF to the operating cost and the profit margin at the job site is less and less. The (3)WT operating cost just takes the daily sting out a bit. That is what I recognize.

[@TheMrRichard]

They are both govt subsidized pieces of shit, are you surprised? The Chevy is also the non-publically available "Work Trim," model as well lol

[@zoobrizz]

@@kelviskelvis7140. I recognize the anxiety , range and depreciation . 😎

[@Sarge226]

@@kelviskelvis7140 zero resale value.

[@qvb1201]

​@@kelviskelvis7140despite the old popular belief, it isn't dino juice. Oil is a naturally produced product from earth. People can buy a 10 year old truck and still drive it another 200k miles getting almost the same mpg it did when new. A 10 year old EV will probably get half it's range, if that.

[@videopipeline6419]

Too bad viewers have to hunt for clues about how far Andre actually drove: 1:36 (Starting ODO reading is 2592) 33:20 "It's about 58 miles from where we ended up after the Ike" 33:41 "So I used three percent of my battery to go 58 miles... 33:31 "it was all downhill." range is no issue..." 33:39 "30%" charge remaining (Ending ODO reading is 2796 = total miles travelled 204). If all this is correct, the Silverado EV hooked to a 9,000-lb. trailer went 146 miles up & "down hills" (including the 8 mile Ike Gauntlet), then 58 miles all downhill (using only 3%).

[@bostondan77]

Thank you Andre, Mr. Truck, and Tobby. Another excellent TFL video!

[@MrTruckTV]

Thanks

[@bigjim1488]

It’s still crazy to me that the Chevy WT is 80k. That’s insane

[@anydaynow01]

Pretty much because they can, at this point at least. They see what dealerships are selling EV trucks for and want a piece of that action themselves!

[@brentcornish6107]

What's more insane is up north here in Canada, we could buy 2 house's in Saskatchewan and a good used work truck for the same price. With the conversion in CDN and US dollars that's about 110 - 130k for those trucks. Lol That's what's most insane. Lmao

[@lesstevens2370]

@@brentcornish6107 crazy houses are still cheap up there most places in bc are 380k and up for shit boxes

[@brentcornish6107]

@@lesstevens2370 ya I live in northern BC now and prices for a rinky dink 2 bedroom under 1000 square ft is 200+k. Lol and those trucks go for over 100k here. Lol

[@lesstevens2370]

@brentcornish6107 yea I think there only for the 10% which are all millionaires in the states because no average Joe could never afford that

[@advosburgh]

Percentage of battery is not the best way to measure efficiency, they are typically not linear just like a gas fuel gauge is not linear. The actual efficiency measured by the trucks should have been used, what was the mi/kwh for each??

[@emundo186]

Why is the editing on the Ike gauntlets always out of sequence, this isn't a Christopher Nolan movie. Keep it linear, beginning, middle, end.

[@BB-eb8lq]

Awesome review! However, I think a better and fairer comparison should have been between the Ford Lightning Pro ( Ford’s EV work truck ) AND the Chevy’s Silverado EV work truck! Does the Ford Lightning Pro show the SAME info as its older and more expensive sister?

[@jeremyprince4945]

I dont understand all the ppl with negative comments, and it's always the same ppl on all the videos. If you hate EVs so much, why do u keep spending your time watching these videos? Its mind boggling.😂😂

[@sungenixenergy2629]

I'm a contractor and my previous "work truck" was a chrysler pacifica plug-in hybrid. If I'm working around town I would generally never need to gas up. That plus carpool lane all the time made it the perfect "work truck".

[@gregholloway2656]

Great video, team. Just ran the numbers on regen. The tunnel is at 11,158ft (3401m), and Silverthorne is at 9,035ft (2754m), so the elevation gain is 647m. Andre showed the Silverado combined weight at 17,620lbs plus say 400 for the two guys is 8191kg. Potential energy is = mgh or 8191x9.81x647=52Mj / 3600 = 14441 Wh or 14.4 kWh. Now, on the way up the hill, the Silverado used 23.3 kWh. Of that, 14.4 was the elevation gain, which leaves 8.9 kWh as the drag amount (wind + tires + mechanical losses). So on the way down the hill, the best possible regen would be 14.4-8.9=5.5kWh which is oddly less than the trucks reported. Were they going a lot slower than 60mph on the downhill?

[@andrewalaska]

Maybe the discrepancy comes from losses due to internal resistance of the batteries. The 8.9kWh likely included a significant amount of that. In other words, a 1kWh battery might only offer .7kWh at higher loads.

[@gregholloway2656]

@@andrewalaska perhaps. On the way up the hill, the 23.3 kWh over 8 minutes is an average load of 175 kW or 234 HP. So no question that the drivetrain and batteries were loaded. What would be useful is to know what the flat towing load is with that same trailer.

[@guentherwilke2055]

Pretty sure they indicated that they were going 60 on the way down. Regen would potentially be more efficient at a slower speed, where the batteries can absorb the power-slower. Quick net-usage shows the Ford using 16kWh for the 16mi test, the GM 14kWh, though the margin of error could probably wash the difference (or it could be greater). This ~1mi/kWh net usage for mountain pull is right in line with flat highway tow. Electric or gas, big towing tends to suck close to 2x the unloaded juice.

[@ProbeGT2]

You forgot to account heat looses. At this big of a load, the inverters and motors defently needs to be cooled down compared to going downhill.

[@gregholloway2656]

@@ProbeGT2 Ya, that could be. I wonder what the heat rejection capacity of the cooling system is?

[@dounavenpreston2944]

A subscription for something to help drive is bs they shouldn’t be allowed to do that

[@Big.Ron1]

I agree with Mr. Truck about hybrids. This is a interesting comparison. Thank you and be safe.

[@TFLtruck]

Thank you for watching.

[@MrTruckTV]

Thanks

[@sanisidrocr]

PHEVs , instead of hybrids for trucks IMHO. 2 motors EV and gas , with a small battery that allows you to go 100miles only on EV

[@elbowsout6301]

More than likely Hydrogen Combustion will be the future vs Hybrid or BEV.

[@TroySavary]

​@@sanisidrocrMost people mean plug in hybrid when they say hybrid these days.

[@AustinFerguson]

lol he said 500-600 miles of towing with 10,000 lbs @ 8:06 - Our 1 ton f350 doesn't even pull 350 miles tops on a good day with a full tank of 36 gallons - it defitantly has better days then others, but the average we see is 350. I would say personally, once they start hitting 250-350 miles of range then the comparison is drawn and there is no reason to think the future isn't here, the last part of this equation is charging and trailer capable stalls, which hardly exists today.

[@kelviskelvis7140]

These two trucks compete in the 1/2 ton market The 3/4 and 1 ton market will be ICE for some time out as there is no equivalent EV trucks on the market.. . TFL demonstrated a fully charged 4WT test tow with 6500lb box trailer going 232 miles that is in line with the 2024 silverado 1500 towing the same 6500 equivalent. I would say they hit the mark with performance.

[@RD-ce6bb]

They will be good in 5-10 years from now

[@patmason7276]

That's what they said 15 years ago.😂

[@sugonmaballs]

​@@patmason7276What EV truck existed 15 years ago?

[@ALMX5DP]

@@patmason7276no one said that 15 years ago. EVs weren’t really on any of the public’s mind at that time. We’ve actually come quite far in just that timeframe.

[@bartwaggoner2000]

Which means this will have insanely low resale value in 5 or 10 years (if that ginormous battery makes it that long)

[@carlosf.7158]

EVs are not new. They've been around for much longer. Do your research.

[@OM61777]

At 8500 lbs the Silverado is going to go through tires like nothing else.

[@str-lrd3863]

And those tires are made with oil and equipment that most likely gets it’s electricity from a fossil fuel.

[@KamalasVACANTwomb]

@@str-lrd3863 you’re gonna trigger all the ev fanbois

[@Gnosticware]

Ha ha and I'm laughing while you're waiting at the service centers getting oil, filters, fixing this, fixing that ... anyhow as they said it weighs as much as a HD Diesel - so tire wear is a new problem?

[@sugonmaballs]

@@Gnosticware And they're laughing while you're waiting at the charging station for an hour+ while they're on the road continuing their trip. And as if EV trucks still won't have their own drive train, brakes, and suspension maintenance and repairs to do? 😏

[@phatgringo2.0]

​@@GnosticwareI'm laughing because you will never have the money to buy a truck like this.

[@derrickschultz6871]

That Chevy's appearance is not much to be desired. Inside and out. Ford just didnt put a big enough battery in.

[@kylebutler7142]

The next gen Lightning is coming soon with more range. Why didn't Andre mention that?

[@bartwaggoner2000]

@@kylebutler7142 when will that be?

[@anydaynow01]

Yep, not a fan of the looks, but I do like the fold away rear divider between the bed and cab.

[@bahamatodd]

@@kylebutler7142 Because he's reviewing this generation. Plus the next one is still 2 years away.

[@bahamatodd]

The Sierra EV fixes the problem with the looks.

[@JT_771]

Even Mr Truck has the common mistake of miles. Wanting a EV that'll tow 10k for 600 miles? Diesel pickups commonly get 10mpg, as an average, when towing like that. Lots of diesel tanks are 30 gallons. So we're talking 300 miles, towing, as an average (just an average, no one freak out with variances). So that 300 miles is closer to what you want. Not this 600 mile garbage. Simply cannot be comparing towing vs non-towing; clearly. But people often do, just not thinking about it. EVs aren't there .. but if we don't even know where "there" is, we won't know when it is achieved.

[@4literv6]

Gashole boomer pet-troll heads like him can't even deal with the reality of it ALL. Ice trucks lose mileage as they age=FACT. Ice trucks lose mileage in the cold=FACT. Ice trucks lose 30-50% range when towing=FACT. Smh I've owned and used gas n diesel pickups for real work since the late 90s now, plus run a service station for years. Ev is superior period. And in a few more years that will be broadly self evident. 👍🏻😎

[@matthewmcallister8845]

Too bad Chevy didn't just make a EV version of the Silverado truck instead of a EV Avalanche.

[@jadoriffic]

No kidding. The Avalanche is hideous, and the Silverado looks 👌

[@bahamatodd]

If they did that they would end up with crap range like with the Lightning. If you don't like the look the Sierra EV looks more conventional.

[@matthewmcallister8845]

@bahamatodd no it doesn't it's still a glorified Avalanche unibody design. A real work truck has a separate box and is on a full frame. And there is no reason they couldn't have the same range in a conventional truck style configuration. But each to their own.

[@ryanwalters6184]

​@@bahamatoddthe extra range is just from the larger battery.

[@Hardhat74]

I think both trucks are ugly compared to their ice counterparts.

[@bryankellyM]

As always, great review! I have wanted to purchase an EV truck for a while so after putting a garage bay addition and increasing my electrical service to 400 amps, I tested the most popular offering currently: Cybertruck, Rivian R1T, Silverado LT and Ford Lightning Flash. Although I wish the range was better, I went with the Lightning because it made the most sense for where I live. I actually was really impressed by the Rivian but it would be difficult to get service and the company has never made money so it would be a big risk for the money.

[@Captain-Awesome]

TFL: Please don’t ever change this combination. Andre and Mr Truck are the only guys I want reviews from on any channel. The detail of the information, the useful pros and cons without bias is very hard to pull off, these two do it better than anyone! May God continue to Bless you guys.

[@phatgringo2.0]

You're very closed minded.

[@donleamon8653]

Mr. Truck jumped the shark about 5 years ago. Time he hung up the hat.

[@Captain-Awesome]

@@phatgringo2.0 close minded? You don’t have favorite things in life? There are things that are true and opinions, this team gives the truth in details without bashing the other. When they give thier opinion they say “in my opinion” and don’t bash other opinions. Like you did when you called me “close minded”. That was a statement. Even in my post I said this is the team “I want”. I didn’t say I don’t like Roman and Nathan or call out any other channels. When it comes to cars I prefer Jason at Hagerty. In my opinion he is the best in the business. Maybe it was the God thing, well this is where I will make statements, there is one God, the God of the Bible and there is one way to Heaven which is through Jesus Christ. The truth is like gravity, to reject gravity and jump off a 30’ tall building means you will plummet, gravity doesn’t turn off because you reject it, God like gravity does not change depending upon your belief.

[@MrTruckTV]

Thanks

[@Dankcatvacs]

HATE THE GAUGE CLUSTER ON THE CHEVY LOOKS LIKE AN TABLET GLUED ON LAME FORD WINS 15:50 you could hear a frog fart so quiet AWESOME VIDEO GUYS id like to see a smaller diesel with a hybrid system for fun.

[@brandonchilders2118]

I definitely like the guage cluster better in the Ford. The GM looks like they just slapped a computer screen above the steering wheel.

[@owenoreilly_20]

ideally they would have been the same trim levels

[@zoobrizz]

Who cares?

[@darrenwilkins8702]

These EV trucks are not in my Future I will continue to drive my Diesel HD until I die or am too old to drive and tow. My first one lasted 480k and my new one only has 6k it will last me another 20 years

[@thegreeneyej]

The old saying holds true here too, Right tool for the right job…

[@jonjpbm]

I want to give a shout-out. These are The Best videos on this channel. Think of them as the cash cows. And for good reason. Andre and Mr truck are truck enthusiasts through and through but from a older perspective and from a newer perspective. This makes them credible to both young(ish) and old. Andre with his progrematic approach to all things and Mr truck bringing his practical experience. I always feel like I'm watching to buds talking trucks. That's the difference compared to other people on the channel. They feel like car salesmen always talking past each other. These guys are compadres. Cheers

[@russ2714]

Great test as usual though Mr Truck needs to learn more about EV's and stop saying "100% torque", which by itself means nothing. Electric motors can deliver 100% torque at 0 RPM however they do have torque curves and torque delivery is also determined by how the manufacturer programs the vehicle.

[@wesshepard]

So good to wake up to Andre and Mr. Truck!

[@TFLtruck]

Thank you. Much appreciated.

[@MrTruckTV]

Thanks

[@mistert1097]

When I see Andre and Kent ,I know a good show is coming

[@MrTruckTV]

Thanks

[@jamesnyffeler-ms8es]

Love you Ike test. One question, why does every review start at the top? You're based on the front range, so you have to go up before coming back to base?

[@is6566]

@james… It was strange for me too at first but I think they have a place to park or stop at the top and not on the bottom. On the top they can switch vehicles etc.

[@10dannyp89]

Denver is on the east side of the pass, so is the parking lot. The “ike gauntlet” is climbing up the west side of the pass heading back towards Denver.

[@brentftaylor]

I have over 12k miles are my Ford Lightning Lariat and it’s the best F150 I’ve owned. Better handling, performance, and ride quality. I use it regularly to pull my trailer with commercial mowers and you never know it’s back there.

[@zoobrizz]

The depreciation will be horrible

[@brentftaylor]

@@zoobrizz I keep them an average of eight years and figure I can either make payments on one that uses gas or one that doesn’t

[@TaverenTech]

In the end, EV sales will depend upon range, charging time, and reliability (TCO). When they get 500mi, can be 80% recharged in 15min, and have low TCO for 8 years, then the majority of us will buy them.

[@nathanmcdonald610]

The electric Silverado's interior looks like it was snapped together by playskool. I know it's a base model, but that interior looks like something from a base model Silverado from the early 2000s is in excusable considering that's it the same price as the higher level trim Ford Lightning. The Lightning is overall the better truck it seems to me, it's just lacks the battery capacity of the EV Silverado which will be remedied in time.

[@poplaurentiu4148]

Still that Chevy even as base trim it still has more features than what most ice pick-up on roads have and in full use even towing still do not emit any dark clouds of smogs, unburn fumes or different mix of choaking gasses to pollute environment so yea a win win..

[@Depressed_Nightfury]

​@poplaurentiu4148 how do you think those batteries are made?

[@Catmemegod]

lol playskool. Damn.

[@poplaurentiu4148]

@@Depressed_Nightfury An ev only pollute once during its fabrication process and batteries can be recycled but an ice car like a diesel or petrol pollute like 3x times more starting during fabrication (ice car still have battery as well even though is smaller they still have it so yeah), ice pollute in use spewing black coals, clouds of choaking unburn fumes, or other toxic mixtures that cause lung cancer and also pollute during maintenance servicing.. where the bad oil and other fluids that are replaced as consumables ends up ?

[@jasonlarsen3515]

@@poplaurentiu4148you sound vaccinated

[@derekk6906]

If the Suburban name wasn’t already being used, that would be the perfect name for an EV pickup truck. Nice vehicle for those living in the Suburbs that seldom venture far from home.

[@edwardpate6128]

I'll hang on to my 3.0 Duramax diesel!

[@motofunk1]

There is some funny business going on with both trucks mi/kwh displays. The Ford showed 0.5mi/kwh and the Chevy showed 0.9 mi/kwh. Those convert to 2000wh/mi and 1111wh/mi respectively. 8 miles up that equals 16kwh for the Ford and 8.8 kWh for the Chevy total for the climb, yet battery percentage calcs show a use of 24.1 and 23.3 kwh. Somebody correct what I missed. Either way at 24ish kwh they used the equivalent of 3/4 of a gallon of gas to do that 8 mile climb.

[@smarticus6384]

I might consider the Ford, but the Silverado is just too ugly, too much plastic, and too expensive for what it is. I own an R1T, and I found the range issue to be more of a problem on paper than in real life; however, I am not road-tripping or towing daily. If I were to buy a truck today that would be used predominantly for towing or daily road-tripping, it would not be either one of these trucks or an EV at all; it would have an engine under the hood, and that decision is non-debatable. However, I still think the original Ford Lightning work truck was outstanding value.

[@Bagger1935]

Great video. My decision to purchase a 2023 F250 Diesel HO was absolutely the right call! No EV ever for me.

[@spcneary]

Seen this dropped while road tripping my wife and I ioniq 5 halfway across the country. I would love to buy a Silverado EV, seems like it may be the first fully viable EV pickup.

[@billw8476]

what wasn;t said is that the silverado weighs 8600 pounds.......thats almost 4 and a half TONS,...empty.

[@MattE_NB]

You might want to check your numbers again. You said the Lightning used 18% of a 131kwh battery, for 23.6 kwh. In the video you also say the Silverado used 25 KWh just after you crossed the line. That would have made the Ford more efficient uphill, which it should be as the overall weight of the truck and trailer is more than 1000 lbs less. Did you state one of the figures incorrectly in the video and corrected on review of dash footage?

[@justinbukoski1]

Not sure what he said but the graphic at 29:58 shows Ford 24.1kw uphill and Chevy 23.3kw which is consistent with the percentages he said.

[@purpletigerracing7087]

Aside from.a little range and efficiency, the F150 is the superior product. I'm assuming the dimensions and weight of the frame limit the battery a bit. Considering the current F150 platform was adapted to EV and brought to market as quickly as it was and the Silverado EV was a ground up vehicle on a totally different platform that probably started with the battery, not too bad. Honestly, if Im Ford, I add an extended range battery in the frunk and try and keep the cargo capacity similar to the Silverado. Boom, even better truck for probably the same money and higher trim with a frame. The Silverado is like a really big Ridgeline, without all the Hinda reliabilty.

[@josephkitchens4831]

Oh you mean the Ridgeline that copied the Chevrolet Avalanche....

[@purpletigerracing7087]

@josephkitchens4831 yes, exactly that. An inferior product, copied and perfected by Honda, that Chevy copied again! Exactly! Lol

[@legendaryash]

@@josephkitchens4831 yeah except for you know the Ridgeline was a unibody vehicle where as the Avalanche was basically the body-on-frame Tahoe/Suburban with the back made into a truck bed. Since the Silverado EV is a unibody it is far more similar to the Ridgeline than the Avalanche.

[@kelviskelvis7140]

Nice comparison Andre, going toe to toe Ford vs Chevy was a great topic to choose. Impressed with both trucks performance with the IKE test. But, WOW the brute size of the battery on the 4WT with a 9K trailer is very attractive in terms of performance. The more you show the Chevy, the better it looks like it will match or even out perform its advertised abilities. I like the utility interior and simple layout that will fit my daily contractor job site use case and weekend toy hauler needs. I plan to keep my reservation and look forward to placing an order for the Silverado. The Ford is nice but I have a use case that is better suited for the 3WT Silverado. For me it's time to move off the ICE platform. Thank you TFL keep showcasing the Chevy since you have an exclusive on the 4WT.

[@bartwaggoner2000]

Imagine the cost of that battery if it dies out of warranty (as many of the new F-150 lightning batteries have)

[@kelviskelvis7140]

@@bartwaggoner2000 Really, out of warranty? Many of the new F-150 lightning batteries have died? In the past two years? I don't think so..... Not concerned about either brand.

[@sierravortec2494]

I haven’t heard that either. Battery thermal protection has come a long way and they are lasting much longer than before, it’s a stigma I’m afraid that’s stuck with EVs

[@bartwaggoner2000]

@@kelviskelvis7140 hoovie’s f-150 battery died after he sold it to dealer and before they could resell it - there is a Ford recall. Not saying common, but as Ford outsources battery they are subject to this, like Chevy with the Bolt

[@kelviskelvis7140]

@@bartwaggoner2000 What is a hoovie? An after market attachment? - that could void a warranty. These two trucks have US made batteries. Ford makes its own at its Rouge Complex and GM at its own Ultuim plant in Ohio. The Bolt line does not have any common battery production with the silverado. When you use the word "many" you imply it is common.

[@Dr.Gehrig]

Super cool, well done. I'm really excited for an AWD Cybertruck vs the Silverado EV WT. I think that's the big test now.

[@Dularr]

I'm not convinced the Silverado EV will ship with that battery pack long term.

[@jnrheaume]

I just bought a Ford Lightning XLT. It's currently the best EV SUV you can buy for family stuff right now.

[@jada2041]

Andre was mad that dude kept saying the obvious in the beginning about the ford battery lol. Episode was over before it started

[@TaverenTech]

So one issue we add to life is HEAVIER vehicles, which will increase costs of maintenance of our infrastructure.

[@TheTopGun920]

Needing to open the door to see your battery percentage is something I would have expected from Ford. Get it together GM

[@Hexstylee3]

do you guys know if the lightning has received any type of hardware revisions or is it still original hardware from initial release.

[@kelviskelvis7140]

Yea - the 2024 model year Ford added a heat pump

[@caseysgarage5991]

I'd be interested in the Silverado ev, but definitely not as my only truck

[@jadoriffic]

You must be rich. Good for you 👏

[@caseysgarage5991]

@@jadoriffic nope, but I am willing to drive an older truck and do my own work on it to save money

[@jadoriffic]

@caseysgarage5991 That's what I do. I own an '06 Tundra, and I love it, but I still couldn't afford $80k for an EV truck that's for sure.

[@AgentSmith911]

27:49 How kind of Mr Truck to remind us what the time is around the world :-)

[@Ryan-cf6lc]

Wait, so GM priced the work truck version the same as the lariat lightning? Good luck with that GM.

[@jghall00]

You're paying for the larger battery capacity. GM has cheaper work truck trims with smaller batteries. You get to choose what is more important.

[@anydaynow01]

They're pretty much sold out right now, looks like they hit the nail on the head. I'm sure the price will follow demand and production volume though long term.

[@MalphMaisy]

​@@jghall00not yet they don't. This is the only version available right now

[@kelviskelvis7140]

@@MalphMaisy 3WT is in production with 4WT at this time.

[@unfinishedbizniz]

Yes, paying for a larger battery instead of lipstick.

[@AlejandroGarcia-xq1mt]

What was the range for full charge, how many miles does this trucks give you when towing.

[@MontanaMedic13]

I was surprised this summer to see several Lightning's and a few Rivians towing camper's that appeared to be on vacation near Glacier National Park. I guess some people are towing successful with them but it still seems to be a pain from a practically standpoint. Somewhere in the future there's a leap in battery technology that will probably make us laugh that we were hauling thousands of pounds of batteries around at the beginning of EV pickups.

[@JamesMcLaren1000]

Yes, electric pickups now can do everything I need my truck to do EXCEPT tow our trailer on longer camping trips.

[@4literv6]

@@skellington2000 good comparison and shows how efficient the ev truck is. About 6.5 gallons gas in energy or less than 6 gallons worth of diesel. As gas is 33.7kwhs per gallon and road diesel is 37.9kwhs per gallon in energy. Plus more power and a smoother ride&towing.

[@4literv6]

@@skellington2000 yup my neighbors lightning pro 2022 he's used for his small landscaping business? Does 120-140 miles at hwy speeds towing his trailer and carrying a couple helpers, 160-180+miles per charge in around town use. 99.8kwh pack is less than 3 total gallons of gas worth in energy. He does 50-80 miles a day and charges the all electric lawn equipment up if needed using pro power onboard. My f-150 towing a similar 3,500# landscape trailer does 12-14mpg hwy and 10 or less around town in traffic. Which means the ev is well over 3x more efficient in the same type of use. Our trucks stay in our driveways overnight so charging isn't an issue. Fun fact a fully loaded tesla semi at hwy speeds has the same efficiency at hwy speeds as my empty 2019 f-150 xl does. 😀👍🏻

[@elbowsout6301]

Actually I think Hydrogen combustion is the future. IMHO

[@TroySavary]

​@@elbowsout6301Using our massive, ubiquitous hydrogen infrastructure?

[@rexlybrand6688]

Did I miss a final comparison of how many total miles were exhausted from each vehicle for the same tests? I get that the Chevy had more left over due to larger battery pack, but how many miles or kw were used by both doing the same tests on the same day? Thx

[@thomaskendrick2221]

Folks should get in the right lane when you're not passing anyone....which was most of the time, in this vid. Especially so, when trailer towing. Reduces the "log jam" in the road, for everyone else. And pretty sure left lane w/trailers is a no-no.👍 Otherwise, Fantastic test! Loved learning about how both trucks did. Thanks for running the test!

[@scottleggejr]

Generally I agree, but there are semis going 10mph in the right lane all the time on that stretch

[@thomaskendrick2221]

@@scottleggejr Yep. Yep. True. It's not unlike Parley's Canyon here in UT, but that's when you simply...change lanes. And if you look in the vid...there are pretty substantial periods of time where the TFS guys were in the middle lane, cars backing up behind them, trying to filter by on their left....nothing on their right. Log jam. That was what actually drew my attention to their practice; the length of time(s) that passed where that was happening. It was disappointing to see "pro" drivers doing that on video...and banging the 3rd/left lane w/a trailer, to boot. :(

[@Realitygetreal]

Inter-mountain states have a "NO TOWING " In left lane and it now comes with a big $$$$ fine

[@scottleggejr]

@@Realitygetreal no they don't. I live in Arizona and drive all over Utah, Colorado, Idaho, Wyoming, Montana. The left lane restrictions are for tractor trailers or gvrw only.

[@thomaskendrick2221]

No. It's all trailers. No trailers in the left lane. Are you one of "them", parked in the left lane w/a trailer? Don't be 👍 @@scottleggejr

[@Cloud30000]

Still needs a small high efficiency Diesel range extender with an optional aux tank of diesel in the back to run it 24\7.

[@shadmatheson744]

If the Ford drove the same route with no trailer. It would be interesting to see what range it had left driving unloaded vs. the Chevy towing the same route.

[@Randorita]

Hybrid would be the way to go, but the Maverick is the only one that has a substantial improvement in gas mileage. Some of us don't need to haul 10,000 pounds, but that is the way they make them. I need to pull a small trailer once or twice a year, and need to pick up lumber at the store that would fit in the bed 4 or 5 times a year. Why pay more for a hybrid for the same mileage and take a hit on putting tags on it every year because of it being a hybrid. Most states try to recoup the difference fuel taxes by charging $75 or so more a year. In the case of all but the Maverick, it just means you pay more for no savings. I really think pickup manufacturers should be ashamed of themselves for not doing more about gas mileage, as it really hasn't changed much in the past 50 years. In my F-150, I averaged between 16.5-17 mpg. On the highway, it was around 23. This is within 1 mpg of a 1999 Chevy Avalanche and a 1981 GMC Sierra! I would love to have an EV pickup, but not until all the logistics of charging are taken care of in order to drive across the country. I did enjoy this challenge, though.

[@CS-qc7np]

I calculated that the Ford had a 25% decrease in power. Percentage of use = (72 - 54)/72 = 18/72 = 0.25 or 0.25*100 = 25% decrease. I’m just going to stick with my ICE truck. Great video!

[@bradnoyes7955]

Why are you dividing by 72? they said they used 18% battery, that's 18% of the total battery capacity.

[@CS-qc7np]

20:30 - I used the numbers from this timestamp. Thanks for letting me know my formula was off. Based on the numbers he gave at the timestamp above, and using the “percentage of change formula” to find % increase and/or % decrease, It should look like the following: Calculate percentage change from (starting)V1 = 72 to (ending)V2 = 54. [(V2−V1)/V1] ×100 = [(54−72)/72]×100 = [−18/72]×100 = −0.25×100 = −25% change = 25% decrease in battery energy. It used 25% of the power it had available on the drive. I just like the formula we use in physics, and posted it for anyone else that prefers to use it. If you have a different formula, please share it.

[@npsit1]

15:33 You know what they say about life in the fast lane. It'll surely make you lose your mind.

[@jadoriffic]

I agree with Mr. Truck - EV's just arent there yet. Once they get it dialed (if they get it dialed), I may be a fan, but they aren't even close at this point.

[@davidholmer6099]

I laughed when Mr. Truck said he’ll be convinced when an EV can tow 10,000 lbs 600 miles. Please show me the ICE pickup that can do that without refueling Mr. Truck!

[@jghall00]

@@davidholmer6099 For some reason, people have elevated expectations of EVs. I can only go around 250 miles in my Expedition when I tow my camper. I would happily sacrifice 50 miles of range for an EV that would save on fuel and maintenance.

[@jadoriffic]

@davidholmer6099 Yeah, that's too much. I just want them to do what a gas truck will do. Even then, I really just enjoy the rumble of a V8 😄

[@kelviskelvis7140]

@@jadoriffic Does paying $5+ a gal for dino juice Plus DEF vs paying $6-$8 a topoff charge overnight motivate you to forget the rumble of a V8? Because TFL just showed you they do what a gas 1500 truck does.

[@carlosf.7158]

​​@@kelviskelvis7140 Just based on what you provided, I prefer to pay 102 to fill up once (600 miles of range) vs having to "top off" nightly at 6-8 each night. That's conservatively 14x6=84 but my time is valuable and I use 5 mins to fuel up vs having to top off nightly. Plus I can take my fuel receipt and write it off. I can't do that when I plug into my home's electrical. In 2035 we'll most likely be hearing about going all EV in 2050.....then 2065.... So we've tried electric in this country 3 times now and I still think it's not for everyone but despise how it's being shoved in our faces as a must do.

[@derekk6906]

Sales of the F-150 Lightning are down 45% in the 3 rd qtr compared to a year ago. Ford announced today here in Detroit that it is laying off 700 workers at the facility that builds the Lightning (Rouge EV facility) and the layoff is unrelated to the ongoing strike… Interesting

[@D3athM3tal-i4c]

EV still has major issues in extreme cold, still loose half battery life or more depending on temp. If this is future we are screwed if you live in cooler winter environments.

[@MattC.87]

Mr. Truck is definitely not buying in an EV anytime soon.

[@dbeardsley0]

Really hope these fail. I'll take my v8

[@lesstevens2370]

It more to do with energy independence but if you like supporting other countries over your own maybe you should live there also

[@dbeardsley0]

@@lesstevens2370 Are you an idiot. I said nothing about supporting other countries. Me liking my v8 f150 over a glorified rc car has nothing to do with that. Only reason we don't use our own fuel is cuz of the numb nuts that is in the white house as he shut down the pipe line his 1st freaking day. Sad thing is there are actually some few people dumb enough to support him. Only reason he did it was more money for he and his friends

[@KamalasVACANTwomb]

@@lesstevens2370 if we had an America 1st administration we’d have more gas, electric and fuel we’d know what to do with

[@googleaccount2637]

Keep voting liberal if you want to rely on your adversaries and competitors to supply you.

[@TroySavary]

What I hear from your post: STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!

[@markspence3750]

We, The People, have been waiting patiently for this video!

[@TFLtruck]

Now you got it!

[@videopipeline6419]

The Silverado EV hooked to a 9,000-lb. trailer went 146 miles up & "down hills" (including the 8 mile Ike Gauntlet), then 58 miles all downhill (using only 3%), ending up at 30% state of charge. *That means those first 146 miles used 67% of the battery capacity, making the range to empty under those condtions about 217 miles, and the maximum practical range is about 180 miles before you'd be anxious about finding a working charger, and then you'd have to recharge for what, at least an hour?*

[@heathwirt8919]

Wrong, wrong and wrong.

[@goneridingparts]

@@heathwirt8919 how is it wrong wrong wrong..

[@videopipeline6419]

@@goneridingparts It isn't wrong. The facts - including the timestamps - are right there in my post immediately before this one. To recap: "The Silverado EV hooked to a 9,000-lb. trailer went 146 miles up & "down hills" (including the 8 mile Ike Gauntlet), then 58 miles all downhill (using only 3%), ending up at 30% state of charge.

[@cynricsaxon2945]

Silverado can do 450 mi range compared to fords 300 empty weight just driving down the highway. Towing per the vid going up and down Silverado was more efficient in both directions. Downhill gained 8-9(silverado) vs 7-8(ford) and uphill used 22-23 vs ford 24-25 despite ford having more power. Charging wise Chevy can charge at 350 / hr where ford is 220 / hr

[@heathwirt8919]

@@cynricsaxon2945 The numbers you're starting with are off.

[@vancity_coaster]

I wonder if sheer strength of the ball on a hitch is still relative to the power of an ev torque application. 🤔

[@garrettstevens2232]

If it can handle braking, it can handle the acceleration. Braking G-forces are WAY higher than acceleration forces.

[@vancity_coaster]

@@garrettstevens2232 kinda what I’ve experienced as well, I wonder if we will see higher sheer strengths in the future with continual elevated stresses. I’ve seen balls fail on the norm from age as is lol.

[@Hardhat74]

I'd be interested to see head on crash test results, between an ev Ford F150 vs. conventional with an engine in the front.

[@heathwirt8919]

The Lightning has a heavier frame than the standard F150 that extends all the way to the front bumper. It will probably score better because it doesn't have a high mounted engine that tends to encroach into the passenger compartment during a frontal crash.

[@jeffreykurth2703]

Both cost $80,000 and one was a wok truck?

[@On2wheels94]

Low squat numbers for both trucks are from the limited to non existent articulation with the independent rear suspension, wide motors/short CV axles, and the heavy weight of batteries

[@heathwirt8919]

It's mostly the spring rates.

[@russellrogers3260]

On a semi that on the upper dash to the right of steering wheel is NOT. A brake controller it's the release ( air valve). The normal is a stock or stick type lever off the steering column.

[@TFLtruck]

Yes.

[@TexasDragon3907]

The Silverado refusing to actually communicate what's going isn't my favorite thing in the world. Maybe by time they are coming out of the fleets, chevy will have updated it or someone will have an aftermarket gauge pod. Shame since otherwise it seems like a much more advanced platform.

[@Gnosticware]

Who cares about battery and transmission temps in an EV? Any excess heat easily gets dumped in the cabin or the radiator. That's just legacy from Ford - and the battery percentage is making a point with the Silverado which is you don't need it. How many gas cars show % of tank?

[@killercan10]

To communicate what exactly? No transmissions, its electric motors. If they get hot, the software can pull back power. Coolant temp? I suppose but no engine to cool, just batteries and motors so again, the ECM will throttle accordingly for high temps.

[@TexasDragon3907]

@@Gnosticware If you don’t care because you don't intend on using a truck as a truck that's fine. This is a brand new product and you shouldn't just assume it can handle anything. I'd rather not have my vehicle derate going up a hill because I didn't know I was overworking it until after the fact.

[@TexasDragon3907]

@@killercan10 I'd rather not have my vehicle derate going up a hill because I didn't know I was overworking it until after the fact, that's how accidents happen. I can also do some guess work on the general condition of the vehicle if I think it is getting too hot too quick/long. Not getting information the system already has isn't a win.

[@Gnosticware]

@@TexasDragon3907 I'm planning on towing, and my point is that with EV's it doesn't matter like it did with ICE. I've measured via OBD and the battery temps never change much.

[@NatesHomeTours]

You have an Avalanche EV, No one that buys a Silverado will ever think of that as anything but an Avalanche.

[@TroySavary]

So? Does the name matter so much to you?

[@2024Duramax]

Always great videos and information guys! Ike's are my favorite video series ya'll do! But for 80k you can get any of the mid level big 3 diesel duallies, put an extra fuel tank on, and tow 30k+ 600+ miles with no issues and fill up anywhere across the country. Right now, that's what I would do vs the battery technology we have at this current point in time.

[@lesstevens2370]

And support the saudies doing it 👏 fuel prices are going to go through the roof because of the wars happening over there they plan on stopping exports of oil

[@yankeedoodle7693]

​@@lesstevens2370gas is down 80 cents by me.

[@jasonlarsen3515]

@@lesstevens2370you think charging is free?

[@jesualdocortez6426]

@@jasonlarsen3515after we vote out politicians taking money from fossil fuel lobbyists then yea, close to it. Renewables are great id rather subsidize my taxes into that

[@lesstevens2370]

@jasonlarsen3515 it not about the cost but where your money goes to would you rather have it stay in your country or go to some other country supporting there ideology that what it boils down to

[@CaptainKedah]

6:48mins- Brand New Truck shouldn't have Rust on the Driveshaft like that. is it Normal ?

[@Gnosticware]

Mr Truck says he's waiting for a EV truck that goes 500 miles with 10k lbs towing - but what ICE pickup does that? Largest tank I'm seeing is 36 gallons, at an estimated 12-13 mpg not towing on the 3500 and maybe half that towing, good luck getting 500 miles!

[@4literv6]

Well said my 2019 f-150 towing at hwy speeds of about 65mph will do 220-240 miles from full to empty. 🙂

[@zoobrizz]

@@4literv6. Sad story. My Silverado will get 325 miles plus towing 😎

[@4literv6]

@@zoobrizz puny tank 24 gallons+reserve. What's your tank size 33+gallons? Most of the ev trucks have 4-7 gallons or less worth of gas in total onboard energy.

[@TroySavary]

​@@zoobrizzStill far short of the 500 miles Mr. Truck says is needed.

[@deniseemilio1031]

The upcoming 2025 Ramcharger will have a 700 mile range when needed, tow 14k. I'm super stoked to buy it

[@VetBodGaming]

I tow a decent amount with a Chevy unibody and I do always hear a lot of hitch noise that you don't get in body on frame.

[@drewelliott9062]

If EV is the future then the future is bleak.

[@mbukukanyau]

Depends on how fast the innovation around ev is, I would rather keep gasoline though

[@davidblalock9945]

The future of EV’s is bleak. The media has been hiding it, but EV’s are prone to catching on fire.

[@Dobbs6651]

Depends on your age. If your a boomer then yeah you are not going to see thie tech change the world as much a zoomer. EVs are going to give everyone energy independance. Cars and Trucks are going to be used for more than just getting from A to B.

[@jadoriffic]

You said it, brother.

[@marklaffey7972]

That’s what people that rode horses said about vehicles

[@vaporstx]

Could the Ford's Dual Air Conditioning have used more energy to cool the motors while you were towing uphill?

[@kylebutler7142]

Andre! When is the next generation of F150 Lightning hitting the streets? It's gonna have more range right? It'll win over that Silverado EV!

[@sesmeltz1965]

Please do this again once the RST is available to test with!

[@TaigaTurf]

Hopefully in 10 years, the technology actually is there to make these EVs worthwhile towing rigs, as well as efficiently charged

[@maxracingteam23]

Great Saturday when there is an Ike!!!

[@TFLtruck]

Thank you for watching!

[@pedrocaballero1497]

We need a long distance towing test - while loaded just as this test was done. These electric trucks are just not going to be the future of long distance heavy towing quite yet. The current technology they are using hasn’t proven it yet. The current cost is still a big obstacle that hasn’t gone away either. I better get going to my bus stop. I might miss my ride. 😊

[@derekk6906]

I would like to see them do a long distance towing test without the benefit of an ICE vehicle just a short walkie Talkie distance away. It seems all the KZbinrs testing EVs always have an ICE vehicle tagging along lol.

[@jerryrupe1696]

​@@derekk6906would you swim out to the middle of lake Superior without a boat tagging along? No you wouldn't. It also proves the unreliability and trust in a modern day EV.

[@sanisidrocr]

long distance towing or cold climates EV cars are not ideal. IMHO toyota might have the right idea with PHEVs with smaller batteries and it would be good to have a PHEV truck that you can go 100 miles on electric only than switch to gas. 2 motors , 1 electric and other gas/diesel.

[@TroySavary]

​@@derekk6906So when there is a second vehicle nearby when they test ICE vehicles, that also means that ICE isn't ready for daily usage either, right?

[@neutrino78x]

Again with the Gen Y adapter thingy. Do they make a Generation X one? I'm Generation X! 🙂

[@sonofagun1037]

Its funny that the hitch on the silverado ev pops, its almost as if trucks have been body on frame with a separate bed for over a century for a reason. You'd think they'd have more of their truck division involved with the development of the silverado ev and less of their tech division

[@heathwirt8919]

GM is using the unibody Ultium platform for everything, obviously it's a compromise on a truck.

[@K1600-l7f]

You should really consider measuring decibels at your ear and closer to the center of the truck or the window next to your opposing ear. That’s where you are perceiving sounds. Not so much up near the windshield.

[@heathwirt8919]

The human ear is much more sensitive to midrange frequencies which is why the Chevy was perceived as being noisier than the Ford. The decibel reading on the meter sweeps the entire hearing range at equal gain.

[@K1600-l7f]

@@heathwirt8919 Thank you for your response to my query. My question was simply about decibel level perceived by ears given their location within the vehicle as compared to the meter’s microphone (or ear), positioned perhaps two feet away. Perhaps I am mistaken, but I can only imagine that it would be louder nearer the windows than where one’s ear is positioned while riding in that vehicle. Again, thank you for your reply. 👍🏻

[@heathwirt8919]

@@K1600-l7f True but the perceived loudness by the human ear follows the Fletcher-Munson curves, our ears are much less sensitive to low and very high frequencies but very sensitive to midrange frequencies. There are charts available on the internet. A simple decibel reading does not tell the whole story.

[@shirleygorre6003]

Would never buy either one.

[@lifeoutdoors3953]

Dang straight 👊🏻

[@Kylewraps]

Cuz y’all broke af

[@lifeoutdoors3953]

@@Kylewraps no because they are electric junk

[@is6566]

@life…. And we are broke AF. 😀

[@Kylewraps]

@@lifeoutdoors3953 give it another 3 years and EVs will be substantially better particularly Toyota EVs

[@darrenwilkins8702]

Where are the tow mirrors

[@On2wheels94]

The clunking in the chevy is definitely because of the unibody construction. Not many people are going to like that

[@heathwirt8919]

It's the spot welds snapping.

[@christophercassidy1075]

Appreciate seeing this comparison, thanks!

[@stevewainwright3344]

Not a good comparison. Low end Chevy model against high end Ford model. And the Chevy match the Ford on pretty much everything, and beat it on the most important thing, RANGE!

[@vinnie8495]

It seems like the Ford lightning is the overall better truck. But still have the issue of lack of charging stations

[@bartwaggoner2000]

Yes, and it has horrible range towing, especially if cold

[@Billybob50119]

How do you figure? The Lightning has less power, way less range, and no 360 kw charging

[@jghall00]

Ford is moving to the Tesla connector and will access their stations. So the charging situation is going to get significantly better. Only issue is that most stations aren't configured for towing.

[@bartwaggoner2000]

@@jghall00 Cybertruck is so ugly it better have some amazing stats, like super fast charging and over 200 miles range towing

[@cliffordmontana4562]

@@Billybob50119The Silverado is hideous, has a cheap child’s interior, and weighs well over 4 tons! The Lightning is way nicer and it looks like a real truck. Fast charging is bad for batteries.

[@Slipher26]

What diesel truck does 500 miles towing?

[@SkeldZ06]

8,500 pounds, unibody...what could go wrong?

[@TroySavary]

It isn't a traditional unibody. The skateboard acts as a full frame. So it is a unibody on frame.

[@georgehiebert9552]

So which one of those 2 trucks is the fastest if you take them on the track