Electrical Installation Condition Report Sample - Part 2

[@markgilder9990]

I would normally do an IR test on the rings while out of the board followed by figure of eight and go round the ring for the R1+R2. Just to save time in and out with connections.

[@rorymair7596]

Usually put the wander lead on my steps next to the CU, stops it falling. Then ur free to wander lol. Nice work man

[@markandsuriyonphanasonkath8768]

Like you, I do not like the screw cover but they actually have a purpose (under Australian electrical standards at least). They cover the screws just in case the screw accidentally pierces a cable behind! No possibility to "touch a live screw"! Thought you might be interested. When there are no visible screws, they use a "clip on cover", that surrounds the switch or outlet.

[@marisatmanis7021]

Eaton and quality- two different things:D

[@jamess3384]

the cables going into the connection part of the downlights where you can see the brown and blue is so common due to lack of space, if necessary sometimes i use insulation tape before clamping down on the cables

[@ElectricianTV]

The ring mains being on a 40 amp mcb overload device exceeds cable rating. Another great video Jordan well done mate.

[@ElectricianTV]

C2

[@artisanelectrics]

Thanks Will! I changed the breakers over job done

[@ciaranmcgeown263]

Defo wouldn’t be passing that with 40a rings, limited to 32 for a reason!

[@curtisj2165]

2.5mm cable is only rated for 26 amps.

[@brightspark263]

@@curtisj2165 It's acceptable to use 2.5mm for rings protected by a 32A. As long as the minimum cross-sectional area is 2.5mm, Reg. 433.1.204

[@Corruptedmikey]

2.5mm on a ring may actually be acceptable at 40a. It's 1am and i can't be bothered checking bs7671, however on a ring the 2.5mm is effectively doubled as you have 2x2.5mm running back to the consumer unit and to each socket so if 1x 2.5 is rated at 26a (according to curtis j) then it should be capable of carrying 52a. However there may be additianal considerations that require 32a such as load limitations.

[@BillyBob-ie9ww]

You should keep your thumb on the drum when pulling out the wander lead. If you let it spin on after yanking it, the cable will unspool inside and then it gets tangled. Same problem with fishing reels ;)

[@artisanelectrics]

Nice tip thanks!!

[@therealxunil2]

As a non-electrician in the US, I would code that downlight wiring as "Crap DIY wiring".

[@bwlelectrical]

I bought a new build and everything in there is Eaton, nothing wrong with it, I personally wouldn’t install the switches as I don’t really like the look of them, but the sockets seem to hold up quite well and they look ok!

[@mattknights274]

I use the very tip of a stanley knife blade to pop those caps out, they are never very tight so one little flick and they are out.

[@cocoino2307]

you can get some sticky thing to remove the screw taps , or use the sticky side of the electrical tape to remove them

[@davefletcher2664]

Surprised you didn't do the figure 8 test on an unknown RFC.

[@curtisj2165]

You have the choice to either do the R1+R2 (figure of eight) or R2 (long wander lead) test

[@PJB71]

Continuity of ring final conductors & r2 test to screws or earth pin of socket plus Zs is what is required👍🏼.

[@SME_Ste]

Accessories snob followed up by MK, just pissed my undies! Those Eaton were offered by Denmans and a TN Robinsons in Manchester around 5 years back, same time as they were flooding their shelves with the consumer units. I can nevr understand testing R2 on a RFC if its de energised. Wired in metallic containment with it being used as the CPC ok and where a limitation arised where the circuit can't be de energised.

[@artisanelectrics]

😂

[@zzzunderscorecxx8689]

Quick question, slightly confused how you did a continuity test on all 3.5 retaining screws when it clearly shows on your vid that they were dry wall boxes with the cpc in connector blocks and no bridging plate from on side to the other???

[@grahammchardy9249]

C2 for single insulated conductors outside an enclosure as could be a fire risk? Seen plenty of that so far.

[@PJB71]

What is the fire risk? 9 times out of 10, you’ll pull out a down light during an inspection particularly older cans & the sheath has not been terminated within the enclosure. The risk is minimal, they are not accessible to touch as they are in the ceiling if it was accessible to touch then C2.

[@lukeboy94yo]

I think it's super lazy doing a R2 test everywhere! I saw you carry this out on the scout hut too! How are you proving polarity and good connection? A r1+r2 test is suitable method.

[@alexkane07]

Just test polarity separately and if the zs reading isn't too high then what's the problem?

[@michaelboyes4948]

@@alexkane07 regulation 643.2.1 The continuity of conductors and connections to exposed-conductive-parts and extraneous- conductive-parts, if any, shall be verified by a measurement of resistance on: protective conductors, including protective bonding conductors and in the case of ring final circuits, live conductors.

[@ishkebab]

Michael Boyes That regulation is for initial verification hence it’s under chapter 64, initial verification.R1+R2 testing is not an essential test for a period inspection, tho not precluded, as long as all exposed conductive parts and extraneous conductive parts are confirmed to be connected to the means of earthing , ZS can be measured for each final circuit to confirm ADS in compliance with chapter 41.

[@michaelboyes4948]

@@ishkebab correct but I still think your half assing it if you don't do r1+r2 doesn't take long I've been taught to always take measured results you cant go wrong then, anyone can take zs and a ze and do a full test result in a van

[@artisanelectrics]

R2 testing is a much more thorough way to ensure CPC continuity throughout on an EICR as it allows you to check every point whereas R1&R2 is generally just carried out at the end of line. Many a non earthed metallic light or switch have been missed in EICRs by people who only did R1&R2. Polarity is checked when doing earth loop impedance testing.

[@matthewbarrett3378]

I think the screw caps on the accessories look good when from a good brand, definitely wouldn’t leave them out though!

[@alexdougherty4905]

They are a pain in the arse.

[@gritpipethin]

@@alexdougherty4905 They are an extra layer of safety.

[@lundieelectrical]

Both CPC in one sleeve is an issue. If the CPC’s were to become loose or disconnected from the back of the socket, you would still get continuity when testing as they’d be touching inside the sleeve but the accessory wouldn’t be earthed.

[@damienhanson4929]

This would come apparent when testing r1+r2 or earth loop test at the accessories

[@robadams6358]

C2 for the bathroom light due to the potential fire risk from single insulation close to the hot transformer and light. Love the videos pal

[@cjmillsnun]

They're Easton MEM accessories. Fail on downlight wiring and 40a breakers on rings.

[@yacinehachani9754]

The most thing I check when I open socket is the neutral.. 90% make the problems

[@Danny-do2ov]

Would issue Unsatisfactory Bud, C2 Bathroom Lights.

[@leeburnside735]

Hi here in france all the earth and neutrals run through the switch then upto the light I think it’s better and more accessible

[@barrysmith3123]

Mem board and accessories, green lighting downlights, looks like a Bovis homes house.

[@artisanelectrics]

😂

[@garrymclean9717]

Do you not do figure of 8 test on eicr

[@RWATraineeElectrician]

Thanks for sharing 👍

[@pault4793]

To remove those caps , use a new stanley blade and the with the point, slide in and out pops the cap with no damage

[@artisanelectrics]

Nice

[@imranhussain-kz8xj]

Super job

[@ningis21]

Torque tight on the CU ?

[@totternhoemurfs]

Definitely a c2 for 40amp mcb on a ring 100%, so unsatisfactory EICR, at first I would probably put a C3 on the down lights but some good points made in the comments about bringing standards up and as it has failed anyway I’d put a C2 as the letting company probably will only agree with putting C2 correct and then it gets left for another 5 years. This is such a new installation and really shouldn’t have ANY coding. Ps Click mode accessories all the way MK aren’t the quality they once where and why waste money Click is better than MK now, I hate installing cheap rubbish and won’t!!

[@geoffball5803]

Hi I'm looking in toolstation, is Click the same as Click Mode?

[@totternhoemurfs]

Geoff Ball yes that’s what i mean Mode is the range

[@neil6438]

Would be surprised if zs values on the ringmain meet requirements for 40amp MCB.

[@MOG4SALVATION]

Awesome

[@PJB71]

Your method of continuity testing for a domestic property is correct for a periodic inspection for those comments who say you should be doing R1+R2!!!! however bonds should be removed during the process as they can introduce a parallel paths. C3 for downlighters unsheathed conductors, no one can touch them there in the ceiling. C2 RFC 40A circuit breaker without a doubt.

[@artisanelectrics]

Great thanks! I agree with you that’s how I’ve coded them.

[@Cardetailingburnley]

it looks like a pas however I think there is a few limitations

[@Fishbait075]

Please tell me you did finally get that light fitting back on, and didn't just leave it dangling :P

[@SME_Ste]

Be carfull with your CE markings, depending on how the C and E are spaced, can mean China Export. On any tests that I do, cables that are non sheathed and out of any kind of enclosure, be it in the loft or anywhere is a C2. I always get slated for it, but its always been in the regs for non sheathed cables to be enclosed. It doesn't and never will comply at all. I can never understand when it comes to EICRs that where there are works that are shit and isn't that ols, people are happy to sit on the fence and sling C3s at them. In a way its saying that these kind of shite methods are acceptable.

[@wyndavies5044]

I don't think wagos were around in 2014, well definitely not around here 😂

[@dg2908]

I've got the Kewtech 50m wander lead which ain't cheap but is top quality flexible cable and comes with a socket on the drum. It came with 3m lead and croc clip with it to go from the MET down to the reel on the floor. I'd be giving a C2 for the bathroom downlights and 40A breakers for the rings. The downlights clearly haven't been installed as the manufacturer intended; the industry will never sharpen up its act if we make that sort of thing C3, we need not feel apologetic for saying such cack is unacceptable

[@artisanelectrics]

Nice comment thanks

[@dg2908]

Not sure if those C2's will still be covered under any warranty from the original installer, anybody know?

[@artisanelectrics]

Doubtful after 6 years

[@aaronmdjones]

Agree on the Kewtech wander lead; having a socket on the drum instead of a plug is so much nicer.

[@nigellewis4686]

Is your into music played backwoods do you play that guitar

[@alantorrance6153]

Fail, for over amperage on the 40 amp Ring Mains. Should be maximum of 32 amp.

[@daveroberts1237]

Down lighters - Basic insulation outside of an enclosure... Code 2 👍🏻

[@lewiscoates1691]

Did you find that in napit code breakers?

[@Spark101.]

1. The hole size above that pendant is a bit excessive and non compliant (C2) 2. Basic insulation visible outside of terminal enclosure (C2 in many cases......can make an argument for a C3 in some circumstances) Regarding the 40amp MCB for the ring main, that is a C2.....take a look at reg: 433.1.204 on page 89 👍🏻 All in all.....it’s a fail. Although, not much would be required to rectify these issues.

[@geoffball5803]

good spot on point 1, worring thing is that they are all likely to be like this

[@Spark101.]

Probably. But, it’s still a box that needs ticking on the schedule of inspections, so must be checked. Not easily rectified either if the hole is too big! Tricky one! Lots of sparks just squirt a load of fire rated mastic in the hole. If the hole is too big, this doesn’t work!

[@Chris-hh2dv]

continuity of main bonding?

[@gd-bq7em]

On certificate do you fill in just the r2 reading Or do you do r1+r2 test instead

[@Cumbrianbushcraft]

Fail 40a breaker on ring circuit

[@muicsboxsreview2214]

Hi mate how are u OK mate u do a raelly good job on here mate keep up the good work on here mate am a big fan of u do a raelly good job on here mate

[@leonblittle226]

Your modern built box home is now known as a "Deano Box" thanks to meme culture , those that know - know.

[@Tyler-ph8bh]

both cpc in one sleeve was common practice up to a few years ago

[@GeoB24]

Code 2 for the downlights reg 526.5

[@johnoreilly7052]

I think that will pass or might fail

[@zathurbabba5257]

not complete pass still some improvements to be done busbars not insulated and points exposed.our terms are diffrent hahaha so not used to all your terms.yes eaton great here we also use eaton

[@Thelectrical]

Again your method of R2 test is not worth much as you have still got all cpcs connected at the board. Therefore you could be getting continuity through parallel paths. To find out if you have continuity you need to do each cpc individually.

[@artisanelectrics]

How could you get a parallel path from a light or socket? Doesn’t make sense.

[@Thelectrical]

Artisan Electrics what if a gas boiler has been connected onto a socket circuit. Water heater circuit? Did you only test lights and sockets?

[@artisanelectrics]

Yeah I agree in terms of boilers water heaters etc but lights and sockets would be very rare but good point

[@PJB71]

Sparky MacSparkface, I see your reasoning, but this isn’t a new installation & not initial verification it’s existing R1+R2 on sockets picks up the resistance of the pins & give inaccurate results. Bonds should be removed, if R2 readings were high further investigation would be applied. I don’t think there is any right or wrong way of doing it.

[@busman2000]

The Eaton light switch must have been wired by a spark who worked in New Zealand , as most wiring for lights is done at the switch here. When you only need the active and switched active at the Light, why take the neutral up there.

[@alantorrance6153]

Wrong. In NZ the cables, including the neutral, are taken into the switch box. Neutral is generally left uncut and continues in the circuit.

[@9plusinstalaciones]

Great to be 30th 🤑

[@callumrowley2203]

Another great video. Anyone who twists and single sleeves the earth's at a termination should die a slow and painful death. They obviously never do testing or fault finding. Interesting that the back of those switches look like scolmore click modules. I know you like your mk but honestly find it massively overpriced crap. I've had switches literally fall apart in my hand. I have been using click mode and can honestly say in 10 years I've never had a call back. Give it a try. The switching configurations have pulled me out the crap a few times. You can do things like have a intermediate and a 2 way on the one plate without the expense of grid. Should give it a bash somewhere I'm sure you'll like it.

[@tvmvishnu]

👍

[@rogeruren724]

you are not a snob

[@artisanelectrics]

Thanks

[@mattleung5765]

Can you go through one episode without saying 'i'll love to know'....

[@alanjones3873]

If you still think MK are quality look at John Ward recent KZbin

[@lewis94uk]

The MK Logic plus is good just that essential range is garbage.

[@artisanelectrics]

Yeah that’s right

[@matthewbarrett3378]

Pass

[@paultipton743]

Someone's not going to get an Eaton T-Shirt!😅. Pass

[@artisanelectrics]

😂

[@JKyfdo]

Fail

[@terrymoore3335]

fail

[@tvmvishnu]

Pass

[@leeburnside735]

Fail

[@grahammchardy9249]

Fail