Electrical or Ignition Issues Ford 800 Pt 2

[@DIYMyWay]

Hi Wendell! Congrats on gettin’ her running again! I agree with your strategy of changing parts out one at a time to zero in on the problem. Thanks for sharing!

[@tractorman4461]

All's well that ends well...and well....this one has ended !! Thank you Martin for the visit my friend.

[@regsparkes6507]

My Boss told me to look for the simplest thing first,.. start with the spark plug(s) , and he was correct, of those many years ago! You have proved this again Wendell,.. Thumbs Up!

[@tractorman4461]

Soooo many times its nothing but a simple problem. I like it when its easy because if it was a hard job, I wouldn't be able to do it !! LOL Thanks for the visit and I hope you too are experiencing mild weather for the time of year. Its shirt sleeves only down here and I like it !!

[@regsparkes6507]

@@tractorman4461 Hahahaha, on your second sentence.

[@stevejanka361]

Good evening, I worked at our local airport. We had a mechanic visit and buy 100 low led aviation fuel. He used it to first start an old piece of equipment or vehicle. He had the same theory as you. Get it running first and then work backwards eliminating problems. Great advice, thanks and take care.

[@tractorman4461]

Even if they've sat for 20 years, I assume they ran fine with the adjustments before so they should again if parts are cleaned and serviced and put back exactly like they were....use that as the starting point. THEN do the upgrades once they fire off. I've not had the opportunity to use aviation fuel, but I can see how that's a very good idea. I buy the super expensive moto-mix and use that to fire up small engines that have sat for many years and even chainsaws that may have sat for just a few months. Awesome comment Steve...thank you.

[@brycewiborg8095]

In the day tractors were built to use for several generations. I appreciate what you mean about things being built flimsy. Thank you Wendell.

[@tractorman4461]

Especially foreign aftermarket parts....all the way down to chainsaws,lawnmowers and small engine parts. A fella just has to be careful and try to ensure the quality is high !! Thank YOU Bryce for taking the time to watch and comment as often as you do my friend.

[@HODGEPODGEDODGEGARAGE]

Nice job with *Part: 2* Wendell 😁👍 Enjoy the nice weather tomorrow and Sunday. Take care 🔧🔩

[@tractorman4461]

Oh heck yeah...anytime its shirt sleeve in February its a good day !! At least here in Missouri it is. (-; Have a fun weekend yourself Zane !!

[@tonyjones9715]

Another great video. I new you would get it running good. Thank you.👍👍

[@tractorman4461]

Hot doggies !! I got lucky once again Tony. It's sure been a good old Ford.

[@bluegrallis]

A few years back, I was mowing with the 8N and it sputtered and died. Hour or so later it did start and make it back to the garage, but that was about it. I put an ignition "kit" in from the local 'farm supply store', one of those pre-packaged points and condenser kits. It ran for all of 45 minutes and did the same thing. I got another new condenser and had the same luck, so I dug thru a box of junk and found an old condenser that probably sat on the shelf for at least 25 years and it ran fine for the next several years. Since then, I only buy Standard Blue Streak ignition parts and have never had a problem. The good parts cost about 3 times what the cheap ones do, but you don't have to go thru 4 r 5 to find a good condenser. Lesson learned!

[@tractorman4461]

That's a very similar scenario to what I've had happen as well on a Massey Harris 44. I too try to buy the best quality, but sometimes it just can't happen. Blue Streak is the way to go if you can get 'em. Good comment Charles...thank you for taking the time to add your thoughts.

[@olddave4833]

Tractor Supply sells nothing but Junk at a premium price

[@gatorsworld]

Looks like a fix from here....CHEERS

[@tractorman4461]

Boy it sure dealt me a fit getting it there though !! Thanks Gator for stopping by today.

[@jankotze1959]

Nice video Wendell, it runs, it's a Ford

[@tractorman4461]

She was arguing with me all the way though Jan !! We won the battle in the end though.

[@tomfillmore9710]

Wow the old ford sounds good Wendell you are a smart guy I need a Wendell here to work on my farmall super A but you don't like the cold weather lol it was a beautiful day here today got up to plus 12 Celsius and tomorrow they are predicting 25 to 30 cms of snow crazy weather take care and you and the misses have a great weekend

[@tractorman4461]

Yeah, I'm not a fan of cold weather. LOL That my friend is an understatement !! We've been in the low 60's (15C) for most of the last two weeks. A lot of rain though and little sun so it doesn't feel that warm. You and Gail take care as well Tom.

[@daveyjoweaver6282]

Oliver’s, Doors and Fords! So much to toast but I’ll certainly manage Old Buddy! Be Tippin you in a little and majorly in the morn!

[@tractorman4461]

Good Morning DaveyJO !! I'm enjoying the fourth cuppaJO and doing so in honor of your good health my friend.

[@akquilter3519]

Process of elimination--good call.

[@tractorman4461]

I was changing all the components anyway. It was time for a total tune up, but I wanted to see WHERE the issue was. It stayed with me until the points/condensor were changed.

[@Wheelloader__]

Sounds race ready tractor man.

[@tractorman4461]

Hot doggies....LINE 'EM UP !! (-;

[@baroja5303]

suerte de tener repuestos para esas joyas

[@tractorman4461]

La mayoría de los Ford son bastante fáciles de conseguir en el concesionario de tractores Ford. Conservo algunas piezas básicas de encendido para varios Oliver, Allis y Ford.

[@deanbarr5740]

I totally agree with you tm44. I pretty much do it the same way, what I call the process of elimination. Timing is very important. I learnt this several years ago working on an old Gravely walk behind tractor. Seemed no matter what I did it wasn't helping. After getting the timing set it ran smooth.

[@tractorman4461]

Yessir, just a few degrees one way or the other can make a monstrous difference in the way a motor runs. Especially if there's an issue with carb settings and float level. Several small issues add up. Good comment Dean. Thanks for stopping in today.

[@Pennies_on_the_dollar]

Man yeah!! Purring like a kitten!! I totally agree on the parts these days!! I was wondering what that round piece of rubber was for, had an exciting question about what it was....then you told us 🤣🤣🤣😁😁😁😁😉😉😉 That is genius Mr Wendell, yes sir just can't beat a good running ford! Does it have a 5 spd? Thank you sir for bringing these back from the last, really enjoy them alot!! 🇺🇸🇺🇸😁😁👍👍

[@tractorman4461]

Yes, its the 5 speed series with the up/down neutral instead of the left/right neutral. It's really handy once you use them a few times. Heck we use 1/2'' belting to replace those worn in steering shafts and like this application, the 1/4 or 3/8 belting works well to hold plug wires in position. This vid is from three years ago, but the real story is in the description...how this tractor had been vandalized and left for dead 40 years ago. I'm glad you enjoyed it my friend.

[@mattthescrapwhisperer]

Not a John Deere LOL 😂!

[@tractorman4461]

Sure sounded like one though. Well, not really but it was intermittently running on two !!

[@CAROLDDISCOVER-1983]

You're right it's one variable at a time. Hector even teach a math class science class and business class. So why not high class for tractor?

[@tractorman4461]

Hahahahaha....that's funny. But there ain't much 'high class' in MY neck of the woods...LOL

[@CAROLDDISCOVER-1983]

@@tractorman4461 it all depends on what you define as high class. But he slept in this morning you often comment a little earlier. I'm not sure why my body said time to get up I would like to slept in. It's chilly outside I've already been out. Well it would appear that my best attention-grabbing vehicles are basically Ford trucks. But the trucks in general. I can't believe it I put up a 68 firebird that might be a trans am and I get 28 views. May I get excited when it breaks 1000 views so I'm not dealing in big numbers. But for my old clunker junker so what are you going to call them I really thought that one would be something people think two teeth in. Probably if it was a Camaro. I've always liked it chicken beaks and the screaming chickens more than the Camaros on sometime I forget that is not the majority. Asurion Dodge trucks to pretty well but overall it's the trucks. That ambulance I put up it shot up in the number of views. Well sometime over this weekend I've got a trailer load of oak lumber to move and I've got this one post that's something like 11 inch by 11 in a solid white oak I need to move it. That post is heavy. Anyway it's time and well past time to fix the old barn.

[@CAROLDDISCOVER-1983]

@@tractorman4461 my cousin has decided to stick with this 400. Not that you were interested or not I don't know and selling your 460. You know that harbor freight they had those cheap electrical hoist. They're not so cheap now. But I would buy them. Pet eye hooks in the rafters. After while I had rollers and rails and had little system. Anchor lift about anything I wanted. Then I also had one attached to a 2 by 10 on the face and I wrapped a bunch of old towels around it so would not tear up my door frame and trim leading down the basement stairs. I had a couple of boards two-by-sixes I believe going up and down those stairs. Later on I put a mount at bottom of the stairs at top of the stairs to one side and everything else and I just took about 10 minutes and we can slide everything into place. We can take the washer and dryer and lower down on a moving blanket. It would just slide right down and crash at the bottom but with that voiced it work pretty good. That Skylark of voice combined with the winch because where I was using it the stairs were really steep. We packed all kinds of stuff down in the basement. Furniture and what-have-you. I'm sharing this with you because you were talking about rigging up something for your workbench where could raise it up for you. Well I thought this might be of help. I'm not saying you have not already thought of something like this. You're quite creative. Sometimes I'd put it on the furniture dolly and let that roll down those boards slowing its descent with the hoist. Since it ran 110 I could use it anywhere. Of course if I want to take something up I could do that as well. We enjoy the design of the house but there is a fireplace on the first main floor and the basement in the stairs were behind it so you had to go down hallway just a tad. Just enough to make it interesting with any furniture or appliances appliances I put in the basement. I'll conclude with a short funny story. My boys were smaller back then and they would like for me set up so they could ride it up and down. Well I had set up a room in the basement for my dad whenever he came to visit. Because he would have that and bathroom and I hope placed himself a kind of liked it. But he got older and his joints got stiffer. Here's the funny thing. He looked at me at that crazy look I said okay. So we had built a little wooden block plywood wedge. Cut holes in it for for chair legs and you guessed it. We made ourselves one of those stairlift things. Oh don't worry. We had a double front room for some reason and so we set one of them up as a bedroom in that was his place whenever he came to visit. I'm not suggesting you build a stair thing for you just if any of that helps you move your stuff around. And I kind of figure that KZbin stuff he's taking a lot of time and you got something else you need to spend that time on. I guess my tagline is becoming if you think we are worthy of it. Kind of like you say you're out of here. On that I think that's good time for me to exit

[@RCAFpolarexpress]

Good Evening Sir, ( Actually the editing team only numbers in the lower single digits...yes, ONE !! And that one is me.) LOL : ) ( Your are the best Sir ( hang in there you loyal viewers because as you know the channel is in its infancy ). OUTSTANDING video Sir : ) have a nice TGIF Sir Cheers !!!

[@tractorman4461]

Hahahahaha....good morning Dave. All is well with the universe when I hear from the friendliest Canadian I know !! Take care and be well mon joviale ami !!

[@RCAFpolarexpress]

@@tractorman4461 Jovial OUI OUI OUI !!! : )

[@jeremycherny2041]

Sounds like a condensor

[@tractorman4461]

Condensors are such a pain to troubleshoot because of the intermittent issue they seem to create. But the issue turned out to be the cheap, cheap chinese points. Whatever alloy was in those contacts REFUSE to pass the juice smoothly except for literally the first few minutes after a quick pass with the points file. The condensor tested at .2 mfd which is correct and the only real way to test them is to replace with another. They will read fine with a digital multimeter then fail repeatedly in the circuit, but I don't know why. I recently installed a new condensor that was 'open' right out of the box. There is no quality control from some of the overseas parts it seems.

[@jeremycherny2041]

@tractorman4461 haven't done much with points over the past couple of years, but we had a run with condensers on the farm here. One even tested good and we still had trouble. Finally, after 3 of them, I got the old Massey going good. Then a month later our international grain truck died on me. It would start and stubble. Filed the points and set them. Still the same. Swapped the condenser with a old one dad had. Started and ran fine. That one is still in there 😁

[@tractorman4461]

@@jeremycherny2041 Hahahaha...good story. It happens like that a lot. But it IS aggravating to get brand new parts that are DOA. They are nothing but a capacitor that's rated about .2 microfarad. I think the cheap ones aren't built to sustain the high induced voltages in the ignition circuit.

[@edp9743]

Trouble shooting the old timers way, they didnt spend money on unneeded parts, if the didnt have to.

[@tractorman4461]

That's the name of the game Ed. I like to make things work as long as I can. Now if I had a money tree in the back yard, I'd sell all this old junk and buy one or two brand new ones. LOL However, there's no chance of that. (-;

[@TheDavidcrockett]

Did you determine it was plug wires in the end? Ive had this similar problem of rough idle and not revving up on s few rigs over the years due to bad condenser and poor ground through dist body. When you go on turning the distributor all the sudden it runs normal and leaves you scratching your head.😜

[@tractorman4461]

Condensors are such a pain to troubleshoot because of the intermittent issue they seem to create. But the issue turned out to be the cheap, cheap chinese points. Whatever alloy was in those contacts REFUSE to pass the juice smoothly except for literally the first few minutes after a quick pass with the points file. The condensor tested at .2 mfd which is correct and the only real way to test them is to replace with another. They will read fine with a digital multimeter then fail repeatedly in the circuit, but I don't know why. Thanks for the awesome comment TDC.

[@Dave_Smith_1958]

Wendell, You are good. Check one thing at a time to figure out what was the problem. I was also taught when working on electrical issues start with the easiest thing first. Amazing how some folks will skip to difficult things and later find a blown fuse. Dave

[@tractorman4461]

You said a mouthful there Dave. I thought there was a good chance there were multiple corrosion or bad ground issues with the electrical. That's why I started with that basic stuff. Nothing worse than installing a new part and finding out it was the power supply all along.