BYD facing major reliability problems in China as customer complaints skyrocket

BYD facing major reliability problems in China as customer complaints skyrocket
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[@alcoholfree6381]

I have a 2005 Toyota Prius. It has had 2 problems in 18+ years that were fixed for less than $500 each episode. Runs perfectly.

[@momoneyinvesting]

Japan and China have a wildly different philosophy towards quality and building customer trust

[@jasonkid2298]

Haha, the reliability is no longer an issue for China-made cars as they have even better quality compared to Toyota. Obviously the Japanse are better at building customer trust as they are always telling lie. Even worse, they cheat themselves. A car with no transmission, what kind of problem can occur? So the same thing to BYD Dmi system and other single-tap DHT system in China. One funny thing, a Prius similar system Toyota hybrid car was sold at CNY200K, but now CNY97K, what happened?

[@estelalopez6929]

My dad’s Toyota truck is from 1999 and it has problems…a lot of

[@FellTheSky]

@@jasonkid2298 better than toyota? LMAO If you want to lie, at least make it believable.

[@ComsiCaterpillar]

Yea ... but a Prius is about as ugly and boring as life gets ... owning one is like being half dead already

[@caryandrae9952]

The best option would be dont buy first gen models. Look for 2nd gen versions which should solve most of the problems in first gen

[@i6power30]

Number doesn't mean much without knowing how many were sold and in use. All the top complaints seem to be the popular cars too.

[@santjojo1]

Yes, it's more accurate to know the % of complaints.

[@haroldong4616]

Absolutely. Need to know the ratio. Compare using ratios is more meaningful.

[@norme1850]

Regardless of the numbers. I saw a video interviewing Chinese EV car owners who were complaining that auto insurance companies won't insure their vehicles because of a possible battery fire.

[@lawrencecoleman6998]

Re: Shanghai Tesla. Our new Shanghai built Mod Y arrived in perfect condition internally and externally. Absolutely no issues at all. Had it now 4 months and 0 problems.😊

[@haroldong4616]

@@lawrencecoleman6998 Nice to know. I intend to 1 soon. However, once it had been widely accepted, a worry is simultaneous combustion of many EVs in an enclosed carpark. After 9-11, , tis scenerio is not impossible

[@thedualtransition6070]

The complaint numbers do not look like they are normalized for number of cars sold, and as BYD is now the biggest selling car brand in China would it not be expected to have the most complaints? Interesting that the complaints are predominantly about hybrid mode switching (i.e. PHEVs not BEVs) and pricing (which is not a reliability issue!) - no break out of hybrid mode switching and pricing complaints so we don't know which is greater. Interesting on the SEAL, maybe thats why its not selling so well although it scored 5 on NCAP so interesting.

[@JoePolaris]

Very good points!

[@StephenChadwick-qd1wu]

Exactly

[@StephenGillie]

Biggest selling car brand in North China (PRC) - how big is BYD in South China (ROC)?

[@thedualtransition6070]

@@StephenGillie There is no such thing as north and south China, there is the island province that the nationalists retreated to after being defeated by the CPC which the US stopped the Chinese from reintegrating into China properly. The island of Taiwan (23.5 million population) does not allow auto exports from the China mainland (1.4 billion population), even Tesla has to export from non-mainland locations to Taiwan. Therefore, your question is deeply misleading and manipulative.

[@raidene1800]

​@@thedualtransition6070he seems to be living in a parallel universe😂

[@nickmcconnell1291]

"Atmospheric tanks" are most likely the carbon canisters filters that capture fumes from the fuel tank and send those fumes to the engine to be burned... rather than allowing them to escape and pollute the atmosphere. Without the gas engine firing up from time to time these carbon canister filters become saturated and will allow leakage of the fumes into the air. By turning on the engine, a vacuum line that runs from the engine to the canisters purges those fumes. This is the crazy world we live in of regulations to control pollution from ICE engines. The manufacturer has to turn on the engine and create more particulate pollution and CO2 in order to purge carbon canisters of fumes so that they won't leak into the atmosphere. Go Figure!!

[@andrewsaint6581]

And use precious metals in catalytic-converters and "pig pyss" in diesels.

[@Studio89Graphic]

@@andrewsaint6581 Drive less buy less Cars more Bicycles not E-bikes In the 1960-1970's One Head of Household worked fed a whole family of 3 or 4 (1 or 2 kids and mostly Men working) Then came the 1980 and 2000 where more women work than men; and everyone Drives; so, even to speak of better fuel mileage cars/vehicles we = the world as a whole create daily Pollutants C02/and or Methane to the upper Air = Trapping Heat and more (causing Climate Extremes) End of Elon-gates story. "BEV save the World" 😂 😆...

[@chefineer]

​@@andrewsaint6581no not all Euro 6 diesels need exhaust fluid. Mine is dry

[@chefineer]

​@@Studio89GraphicIf you cared about CO2 you would stop using the internet. The electricity to po wer it is greater all CO2 from global aviation. It is going to double in 2 years, and could be 15% of all global CO2 by 2030. If you cared wouldnt you stop

[@christopheredginton6242]

As BYD make and sell more cars than any other manufacturer other than Tesla there are bound to be more complaints pro rata. Would be interesting to see the math based on percentages of the cars in the road.

[@DimitarBerberu]

They sell increasingly more than Tesla as well.

[@davidbeppler3032]

Toyota builds more than 10.6 million cars a year. How many cars do you think BYD builds?

[@DimitarBerberu]

​@@davidbeppler3032 2022 Byd2.17m Tesla1.37m Toyota10.7m Same pattern as Android, iOS, Nokia. BYD >+100%/y, Tesla ~+50%/y & Toyota stagnant. In few years, BYD & Chinese brands will be dominant by any measure.

[@joshuarosen465]

​@@davidbeppler3032This was a complaint list in China, it wasn't worldwide. BYD far outsells Toyota in China. However Toyota was on this list.

[@Metapharsical]

+10 social credits for you 🇨🇳Comrade

[@hillbillyangle]

Well...I live in China and i've never heard of BYD EVs catching fire...only some incidents with NIO and Tesla...

[@chillfluencer]

Not even with the unsafest old ternary batteries were there ever as many fires as with ICEs.

[@dxelson]

That's impossible 😂 I'm Chinese and I've seen "black" posts about Tesla and BYD

[@davidbeppler3032]

Did you know, if you pour gasoline in the cabin of a Tesla and throw a lighter through the window the MEDIA will call it a battery fire?! It is true!

[@cwdjdsd-36321cs]

@@davidbeppler3032 well then anyone can do it to BYD too

[@Metapharsical]

"I live in China" ... I'm curious, what VPN are you using to access KZbin 🤔 -10 social credit points for you 🇨🇳 comrade. please report to your local Police station for mandatory tea. Did Chinese State Media also tell you only 2 people died during the recent floods in Beijing, and the previous Zhuhai tunnel flood?!?

[@davidmarlow194]

The only major problem with my 2011 Volt (a plug in hybrid) has been the failur of the battery after 12 years.

[@DishNetworkDealerNEO]

Seek out Gruber Motors, in Arizona. There is a likelihood that only one cell in the pack is shorted down and that will significantly reduce the engineered range. Older Tesla cars suffer in the same manner. Gruber is also on KZbin.

[@ComsiCaterpillar]

not to mention it's ugly and boring.

[@briangriffiths1285]

I drive an MG ZS EV. After the first 12 months when there were software issues it has been fantastic. I was loaned a hybrid whilst it was being repaired (damaged in a car park) and I concluded that the hybrid was dangerous on UK roads. We have roundabouts here and often the sight lines are obscured so that the time to join the traffic is short and needs rapid acceleration. The hybrid spent too long getting into the traffic, thinking whether the engine needed to start. So why do they make them? Overly complicated and now in the UK we have a half decent public charging system they are pointless!

[@ChaosAngel667]

Number 1 complains doesnt mean number 1 self combustions. It puts "completely burn to the crisp" on the same level as "AC shut down"

[@danielc3003]

What is mind boggling is the fact that the electrical grid is 33% efficient. You have to burn three gallons of fuel to deliver 1 gallons worth of energy on site. A gas powered car is 30+% efficient. A modern gas engine is far less polluting than a coal or oil power plant. Where is the upside? No one is proposing the tripling of the electrical grid to even make this disaster possible.

[@absoleet]

Where did you get the 33% figure? Its actually 5% and maybe a few percentage points more for step down transformer losses so its alot more efficient coal or oil. The EIA govt websites says its 5% - "The U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA) estimates that annual electricity transmission and distribution (T&D) losses averaged about 5% of the electricity transmitted and distributed in the United States in 2018 through 2022" Sources: "Chint How Much Power Loss in Transmission Lines" "EIA How much electricity is lost in electricity transmission and distribution in the United States?"

[@danielc3003]

@@absoleet Look it up. The gov website states that over 60% of electrical energy is lost in transmission and conversion. Power transformers are designed to dissipate HEAT!

[@absoleet]

@@danielc3003 I did look it up. Google:- "Chint How Much Power Loss in Transmission Lines" "EIA How much electricity is lost in electricity transmission and distribution in the United States?" The EIA gov website states - "The U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA) estimates that annual electricity transmission and distribution (T&D) losses averaged about 5% of the electricity transmitted and distributed in the United States in 2018 through 2022." See that? 5%.

[@toms5996]

These kind of news are 'non-news'. BYD has various factories and e.g. Europe receives cars from factories that have a spotless track record. I was in a BYD car just yesterday. The only thing that is an 'issue' here in Europe is the pricing. Also thanks for the constant news coverage.

[@protagonist9716]

Your right and considering Tesla has been facing Quality issues for over a decade u can crystal clearly see Viking bias here

[@chillfluencer]

That will change. Why? Unlike Tesla BYD doesn't gain attention through a person like Musk. Therefore selling online doesn't work for now. That's why BYD uses resellers to get known. After that it will switch to selling online and thus prices will turn out low.

[@toms5996]

@@protagonist9716 I have to say I'm only a person who follows news - in my case news specifically in the Northern Europe. I am fully aware of Tesla's quality issues. However the issues I know of are mainly about cosmetics or how the car has been put together. Please tell me if there has been serious issues. (Using 'self driving' is not a quality issue in my book but stupidity😉 I'm also not a 'fanboy' on any brand - I'm a bit of a bore in the sense that I only follow news and want what is best for us, the consumers.) Also, I'm not saying cosmetic issues or similar issues are not serious. Here in Europe you get a new car, though, if the car is not to your liking.

[@dxelson]

​@@chillfluencerfirst step is having people buying your car Brom a broker price😢

[@toms5996]

@@chillfluencer In Europe BYD is like all other car brands. You have BMWs, Volvos and BYDs in the same spaces. BYD for some reason has high prices comparative to that of the most expensive cars - I have no idea why they would do that here. Does BYD think it will make them more attractive to European customers? European customers are like any other - we look at the price, quality and follow news. Edit: I think I made a mistake in all of my comments what comes to BYD. Here in Europe we have only BYD EVs - I have no idea how BYDs other cars are performing.

[@ashb8572]

6 years and zero faults with a Toyota Prius Plug in Hybrid. Last 25k miles have achieved 113mpg

[@BMWHP2]

According to analysts at AutoInsuranceEZ, hybrids catch fire even more often than electric cars and cars with an internal combustion engine combined. They took data from the National Transportation Safety Board and the US National Highway Traffic Safety Association and compared it to sales data by car category. This shows that EVs in the US catch fire significantly less quickly than cars with an internal combustion engine on board. Hybrid models lead the way when it comes to fire hazards. Hybrids were involved in about 3,475 fires per 100,000 cars sold last year. Gasoline cars caught fire about 1,530 times at the same rate, but electric cars had only 25 fires per 100,000 vehicles sold.

[@Metapharsical]

1. This video was talking about shoddy Chinese brands, not US car models. So all that is irrelevant. 2. When a BEV has a battery fire, it is incalculably worse than a petrol fire. It happens in an instant, without warning (usually due to invisible internal defects in the battery), and it can't be extinguished with any amount of water. Petrol is *inflammable* - meaning their needs to be vaporized gas & air & spark to ignite. You can throw a lit match into a bucket of gas and likely nothing will happen. And if it does, you can eliminate any one of the three sources of combustion and the reaction will stop.

[@BMWHP2]

@@Metapharsical What ever you wiggle, the numbers stay the same. On 100.000 ICE cars, 1530 go up in flames. For EV's, that is only 25, making it 60 times more likely an ICE car, with all that full, will burn to pieces. Most Dutch fire departments now simpely put the EV in a container and fill that with water. Fire gone. And this EV burning story is blown up out of proportions by big oil, coarse their business model is getting hit by the EV market. The lithium LFP batteries dont burn at all, BYD and Tesla have them in their latest models. The new generation sodium and silicium, batteries cant burn. So the only real dangerous vehicles are the old generation of ICE stuf.

[@andyl200]

Maybe that data should be further broken down into brands/model, as well as cause (spontaneous, due to a crash, or externally ignited). Some brands/models may actually be shoddily built as well. For ex, I've never heard of a Prius catching fire. But I've seen in the news, ICE vehicles and Teslas spontaneously combusting on the freeway

[@Metapharsical]

@@andyl200 we should also look at the cost to extinguish the fire. MASSIVE difference in BEV fires vs ICE fires

[@kevxsi16v]

I have £45k in BYD battery storage I bloody hope they are more reliable.

[@jasonwang7901]

Upon careful examination of videos compaining BYD, it becomes evident that the majority of them do not show any clear evidence of power battery explosions. Interestingly, based on my observation, I've noticed that approximately 90% of the recorded instances where BYD cars caught fire occurred when the vehicles were stationary, and someone happened to be recording a video. This observation leads me to speculate that at least half of the complaints regarding BYD cars could be fabricated by its competitors. It's worth considering that with BYD's rapid growth in China, it may have garnered some resentment from certain individuals or companies. These parties may have resorted to creating fake news and lodging complaints against BYD to tarnish its reputation. Notably, Great Wall Motor is the biggest BYD hater.

[@naturetruth5218]

SAIC has been attacking BYD vehemently after losing sales. It has falsely accused BYD of violating fuel tank to lodge official complaint trying to tarnish BYD name. Recently it has been sueing 6 pro BYD vloggers demanding unprecedented millions payment, after one anti BYD vlogger was sued for spreading falsehood on BYD like self combustion. These foreign joined venture car companies also boycott Huawei assisted driving and IOT citing they will lost their souls if use Huawei, but no issue to collabrate with GM. Its weird China gov allow such vicious toxic Chinese car company to exist.

[@davidbeppler3032]

So you think it has been sabotage? Just setting BYD on fire to hurt sales? Making a fake video is easier and costs less. Just saying.

[@jasonwang7901]

@@davidbeppler3032 Not I think, but there is evidence. A man was trying to burn a BYD SUV, which was recorded by camera. Whether all the videos are true or fake, I do not know. But I am pretty sure that some videos are true: making some smoking materials under or inside a BYD car and then recording that. Another fact is that almost all lithium batteries burn with explosions, but there were never such explosions in these videos.

[@danielb7253]

Chinese pride is hurt. Lol. The gov tells them they are the superior race.

[@Metapharsical]

@@jasonwang7901 weird you should say all this to defend BYD when the fact is they has been running negative PR campaigns against Tesla ever since they were able to start making knock-offs. This is absolutely China's Modus Operandi: Welcome new technology into Chinese markets...transfer technology to China and nationalize those factories...then kick out foreign competitors

[@MaxFromSydney1]

If hybrids are so bad, how come we don’t hear about Toyota hybrids going up in smoke in significant numbers? Sam, I think you’ve taken Chinese-only data, and conflated all hybrids in the various markets around the world to be sh#t in comparison to BEVs. To me, good quality hybrids from reliable brands, such as Toyota, are fantastic for markets like Australia and the US, where the tech is mature, the country is big, trips can be long, but public charging infrastructure is poor. Hybrids are also only a moderate step up in price compared to their ICE-only versions. Unlike a long-range BEV, which is typically alot more expensive again than the hybrid. Hybrids have got a big role to play for quite a while yet. Long live hybrid vehicles!

[@ensteffo]

Because there are no one making anti Japanese propaganda videos trying to smear Toyota.

[@GerbenWulff]

This is a post about 1 month. Recently there have been problems with the fuel tanks and hybrid switching. In earlier months there were a lot more problems with their EVs, but of course he didn't make a video when they had problems with their EVs.

[@205rider8]

Hybrids are a soon to be obsolete product. Why have a vehicle with two drive trains and the excessive costs? They aliso pollute much more than BEV. Don’t waste money on a hybrid.

[@davidbeppler3032]

@@GerbenWulff Yes he did.

[@davidbeppler3032]

You can google Toyota Prius and flames. You will get a lot of hits. Did you know Toyota spends millions a year in advertising? Amazingly if you run a few stories about how Toyota cars are unsafe, you lose money. Media seems to need advertising money to survive. Hence, no stories about Toyota cars catching fire and people dying. Funny how that works, ain't it? Tesla does not spend millions in advertisement but every Tesla story gets clicks. Media are also paid in clicks.... every negative story about Tesla gets a lot more clicks. MEDIA love money.

[@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270]

Thanks for this much needed setting of the record straight.

[@stephenmuir6484]

It will be interesting if insurance companies decide not to insure houses against fire if they have an ev charging point installed

[@puzer1]

...a 2023 Mercedes Benz EQE350+ just burned a home to the ground in FL...unfortunately for the homeowber it wasn't even theirs but a loaner for their car being serviced...

[@Metapharsical]

Surely more EV 🔥 regulations are coming. From how they are packaged during shipping, where they are allowed to park and charge, to end-of-life recycling of these massive battery packs. Insurance companies and firefighters don't F around.

[@cifey]

Hybrid or ICE cars catch on fire more frequently than EVs. A charged EV is harder to put out but overall it must not be causing more insurance payouts so far.

[@JohnSmith-oh9iv]

Oh man, you still don't believe that EVs have much much less fires than ICE and plug-ins per 100,000 cars sold. Get this propaganda out of your head.

[@vintageexcellence]

⁠@@cifeythey catch fire more frequently because 95% of all cars are ICE, wait till there are more EVs and they start to get old. The catastrophic battery fires will be a massive problem in the future.

[@richard--s]

The front is burning. There is no battery in the front.

[@jashanvirsingh2166]

Smoke is from bottom , even u can clearly see, why u lying , are u chinese ¿

[@richard--s]

@@momoneyinvesting don't be fooled by your hate.

[@chefineer]

Who cares its still fire = bad news

[@chefineer]

​​@@richard--s Dont be fooled by your sales figures

[@chefineer]

Battery is in the floor....floor is in the middle

[@markrowland1366]

Great report. I must have commented on three and a half thousand of your reports. I tried to watch them all.

[@bobmorane4926]

On the other hand , Li auto plug in hybrids are flying off the shelf. Sam, any chance of doing a complaints report on Li auto for comparison with Byd ? Thanks

[@StephenGillie]

Could add Toyota, Chevrolet, and Ford plug in hybrids too. Maybe even Mini and Smart.

[@bobmorane4926]

@@StephenGillie The difference is that Li auto comes with a pretty big battery and the combustion part is more like an electricity generator instead of being a combustion engine combo.

[@StephenGillie]

@@bobmorane4926 That's not a difference, as it describes all of them.

[@StephenGillie]

@@collller Because they're buying for speculation and not transportation. Tesla drivers in the USA have been doing the same. Especially with Elon telling everyone that his cars would be self-driving robo-taxis that makes money for them. But that didn't actually happen.

[@bobmorane4926]

@@collller Well, Li Auto is more like an EV with a range extender generator, nothing comparable to a Prius if you ask me. Li Auto just announced that it has a few pure EV models in the pipeline coming soon.

[@davidrandall2742]

In contrast, my Bolt euv Lt with N2.2 LG chem battery has had zero problems, and the build quality is surprisingly good for a GM product -- kudos to Orion assembly.

[@backtotheprius]

I have a Toyota Prius Plug-In that still runs at 3.0 L/100 km (about 78.4 mpg) even after 18 years. Best car ever! I’m confident it’ll easily reach a million kilometers (621,000 miles)! Can EV's do better ?

[@simonpaine2347]

Yet MORE click bait. The "survey" notes complaints as hybrid mode switch OR PRICING! Anyone who complains about the price of a BYD car is on the list!

[@simonpaine2347]

Theses complaints don't even have to be made by a customer. ANYONE can just go on the website and make a complaint. Really scientific!

[@pompeo9116]

BYD sold more than doubled than Tesla. By statistics, the more cars sold，the more issues it wil be registered!

[@chefineer]

But still, you need to provide numbers to prove it

[@RonnyJakobsson]

In Sweden the BYD atto 3 is for sale @ 532900 Sek. It was last months most sold last month Because you could lease it for 12 months for 2995 sek per month. They were giving them away.

[@StephenGillie]

Is that a lot of money? How much does a Toyota Camry cost there?

[@gymsaslan6625]

@@StephenGillie That lease price was very very good so i would say 100% of all Atto 3 in Sweden are leased ones. The price of 532 900SEK if its true is not a cheap price, that is a lot of money for that car. A Camry hybrid starts at 381 000SEK over here.

[@StephenGillie]

@@gymsaslan6625 That sounds more expensive than a Model 3 in the USA. BYD isn't sold here, I think, as I haven't seen any on the road. But that lease price is about half of my loan payment, and wouldn't pay off the car for almost 15 years. That's an incredible subsidy, basically paying you to rent it.

[@gymsaslan6625]

@@StephenGillie Indeed, that lease price is crazy. They really want some market share :)

[@momoneyinvesting]

because they are 💩

[@miked8121]

I was looking forward to purchasing a new hybrid when I retired last year but it looks like I'll just keep driving my Subaru for another couple years till all the fire issues get sorted out. (2013 Crosstrek with 154,000 miles. Only warranty repairs in last 10 years were Takata airbag and some part on the CVT.)

[@WhatisaLee]

Toyota and Honda have been making hybrids for decades. The main reason why you should keep your Subaru is because the most climate-friendly action any consumer can take is to not buy anything if the thing you're looking to replace still works.

[@miked8121]

@@WhatisaLee Based on recent CA and Federal regulations essentially banning ICE vehicles in the early 30's, if a person wants an ice vehicle, they will have to buy it sooner rather than later. Where I live in OC, there simply isn't enough electricity especially if everyone buys electric vehicles, replaces their gas stovetops with electric, and start heating their houses with electric. (These are all written into law!) We are actually discouraged from using electricity in the late afternoon and early evening. The electric rates per kwh ramp up during those hours. I also don't see any local electrical infrastructure being built to handle the increased demand load in several years.

[@JOHNTSHEA]

“You can't buy a plug-in hubrid if you don't live in China.” Such nonsense! Millions of people buy plug-in hybrids (and range extenders) outside China every year, despite all attempts to force them to buy “pure” EVs.

[@rovert1284]

Regardless of the frequency of BEV fires the issue to me is severity. Imagine in the future basements filled with parked BEVs, many being charged. Batteries getting old, people ignoring checks/maintenance which is not uncommon. One car goes up - the fire will spread due to the intensity. We've seen it in the recent ship incident. Controlling BEV fires is a massive issue. I think we already have issues with small consumer lithium batteries causing fires, including increasingly in garbage trucks. I do not think BEV technology is sufficiently mature, not catching fire when new is one thing, maintaining that for the lifespan of the vehicle is another thing. Considering the marginal benefits of BEV with electrical grids not fully renewable, and the extra emissions during manufacture it hardly warrants rushing into the technology. Best thing about BEV is no tail pipe health emissions - excellent. As far as I know ICE cars going up in flames is mainly when in use or due to an accident. Not during re fuelling or parked. Please scientists we need batteries that are safe.

[@eugenec7130]

Mobile phones use lithium ion batteries, and there have been reports of phone batteries caught fire. If we are concerned about the safety of lithium ion batteries, then we should not use mobile phones at all. We can't expect electrical products to be absolutely safe. In fact many ICE vehicles burn too, if not more than EVs, but are played down by EV haters.

[@InformedKiwi]

I think you are an alarmist. What you are saying is a projection not a reality. Last year I was following a car late at night that lost control and rolled. It caught fire. I was able to get to the car in time to pull the injured driver out. The Fire spread to the gad tank and the whole car was in flames. It was not a Hybrid it was a straight gas car. That’s more reality. Battery technology is advancing at a very quick rate and will continue to do so. Btw dispose of that cell phone you have on you each day they catch FIRE.

[@InformedKiwi]

Buy BEVs ! Simple and better. Even buyer if you buy a Tesla

[@gilbs72]

Even in the US, Kelly Blue Book has listed hybrids as the most fires (per 100 units), followed by internal combustion cars, and trailed by EV with the least fires.

[@Metapharsical]

"Why are people worried at all about nuclear bombs? There's way more injuries from fireworks every year!" By your logic, we should just sell everyone nukes 🤡

[@jj1901]

I have just moved to China and wanted to do long road trips so I was so determined to buy a plug in hybrid but now Ive watch this video 😢

[@HDproductionnal]

Buy a NIO instead, battery swaps are way faster.

[@williamjones7821]

As we say in America, "whatever you say, pal". I'm not sure whose electric cars are burning (serpentza and laowhy86 spent a decade in-country to they have credibility with me, and China Uncensored with Chris Chappell also has credibility). By the way, if airbags don't deploy during an accident, which we have seen, I suggest US regulators will force the manufacturer to recall the cars faster than you can blink your eyes. I still suggest BYD stands for "Burn Your Driveway". I'm sticking with my Saturns for the next 15 years (simple and easy to repair). Then I'll probably switch to my uncle's Oldsmobile Intrigue.

[@vvattup]

Confusion between plugin hybrid v purely electric is caused by OEMs classifying both as “electrified” without specificity

[@steven4315]

Don't forget the Toyota 'self charging' EVs.

[@StephenGillie]

@@steven4315 The non-plugin hybrid? Mine gets 50 MPG and only needs gasoline!

[@user-yc5px4yu4r]

This will not stop me from buying a new version of BYD as I'm sure the company would be able to solve this kind of problem.

[@ChaosAngel667]

Whats the worst that can happen if they dont solve it right?

[@eric9069]

The main complaint about BYD Qin Plus is the pricing? Really?

[@brycedubois3023]

Of course… Need to normalise figure based on volume. Perhaps complaints per 1000 vehicles sold. BYD are the top selling brand in China so you’d expect them to feature highly in absolute number of complaints.

[@KingLutherQ]

Even though BYD gasoline cars (not EVs) are the ones that burn down more frequent than other cars, this is still really bad for their reputation. It tells a lot about BYDs quality.

[@ellisrochlin2267]

Plug in hybrids, just for the hassle of having a extra hole in the side or front of car , so petrol station still necessary plus charging😢 . Might be better if the phev could give 70 miles plus. Where at present is the economy if the battery that might give you say a MG hs , 20 ish miles which quickly ends so you have to rely on the ice only , then your towing a extra 300 kilos more than the 25% cheaper Hs petrol only version , plus a higher insurance for phev . Dont get it 😢 except the 0-60 mph times a couple of secs faster vroom vroom

[@joshuarosen465]

Sam, you are exaggerating the complexity of plugin hybrids. There is no question they have a lot more parts than a BEV but id argue that they should be more reliable than an ICEV. A plugin done right, like the late lamented Chevy Volt, eliminates the transmission which is a major point of failure in an ICEV. Instead of the eight or ten speed transmission thats common in modern cars the Volt had a single ring gear. The two motors and the engine all engaged with that single gear. In hybrid mode the engine used one of the motors as a generator and the other to propel the car. Because electric motors don't need multiple gears they didn't have to provide a transmission. At highway speeds the ICE coukd drive the ring gear directly which eliminated the conversion losses. Because direct drive was only used in a narrow speed band only one gear was required.

[@richard--s]

Are they done right when they catch fire? Maybe no.

[@joshuarosen465]

@@richard--s Gas fires are so common that they aren't news, in the US there were 174,000 gasoline fires in 2021. That's actually a huge improvement, in 1990 the number was 451,000. These have nothing to do with the hybridness of the cars, from the standpoint of fires it's just a gas car. Gasoline is volatile, if it leaks and comes in contact with something hot, an engine for example, you have a fire. The difference with battery fires, which are much less likely to happen, is that a gas fire is easy to put out plus fire departments have been dealing with them for a hundred years so they know how to handle them. Fire departments don't have a lot of experience with battery fires plus they are harder to put out, they are also so rare that they are considered news.

[@DishNetworkDealerNEO]

Hybrid cars are already known in the USA to be the number one type to catch fire (3475:100,000 sales)gasoline ice is second at (1530:100,000 sales) and a very distant third is Battery EV with a paltry (25.1:100,000 sales) catching fire. So the trend is no different in China than anywhere else in the world. Same problem, too much dissimilar technology shoved into an aerodynamic shell!

[@donaldfit7753]

Exactly, all statistics need to have context. Without it, very difficult to interpret the numbers.

[@andyl200]

where did you get the data?

[@allgoo196]

ICE catch fire too but they are predictable only when the motor is running or somebody smokes. EVs catch fires unexpectedly like when parked in the garage for example. You'll have to stay up all night and every night to watch it in that case.

[@Anomize23]

You can’t put out batteries with a fire extinguisher so why waste effort trying?🤷‍♂️

[@allgoo1990]

@@Anomize23 "You can’t put out batteries with a fire extinguisher so why waste effort trying?🤷‍♂" == Are you suggesting to die instead?

[@airparnes]

Sandy Munroe would have a field day with this topic. Prius Primes are still available in the US however EVs are more compelling as Sam has thoroughly documented!

[@andromedach]

Sandy's problem he is so concerned with the manufacturing process he fails to see if the completed vehicle is any good.

[@wertigon]

@@mongo64071 I live in Sweden where we are a bit further along with roughly 37.5% EV, 22.5% PHEV and rest gas on the market, and then 3% EVs and 3% PHEVs in the fleet. We're starting to see every parking garage worth their salt install EV chargers, so you will be able to charge at home or at work with no problems within one to two years here.

[@wertigon]

@@mongo64071 ​ Nah, private garages here are installing chargers left, right and center and competing for the customers that way. Think of it this way... If you are the only garage in town with EV chargers, who do you think all the EV owners will park at? Biz increase of 10-15% yes please. Otherwise, most diners will install EV chargers as well as most supermarkets.

[@Studio89Graphic]

@@mongo64071 Let's not talking about extremes USA or Scandinavian Countries (where either large geography/ land size or less populations) UK and countries like France and Germany ─ Mass Public Transportations and Hydrogen Trains are the Key. BEV save no one but the Rich like Elon-gates and Xi Jinping. The Majority of Americans or Chinese if they could get their Hands to those effective small but Powerful Vehicles to commute to workplace, that already reduce more than 25% of Pollutants Emissions. Then the other initiative is to plant more Trees ─ Green Plants/Trees will naturally convert C02 to Oxygen during Daylight available; Don't need Solar Panels just return to Natural Evolution of Things with 21st Century Technologies. (We/I have seen people went to the Gyms and Peloton Machines to exercise, to manufacture and build Gyms those are sources of C02 Emissions. Get to walk or run a few miles, build more Parks not Gyms.) Regards,

[@davidholmes9643]

The issue is when a EV battery goes above 80 degrees the battery catches on fire and it cannot be put out it has to burn its self out. The fumes are Poisonous. tell the truth.

[@nickmcconnell1291]

The reason the Tesla vehicles manufactured in China are so good is two fold: 1) The Chinese workers really do well in the Tesla work environment which values team work above self grandisement. This fits well with Chinese cultural values. 2) Tesla factories have Digital Self Management AI systems constantly checking out each car's individual components and quality. Together these two factors mesh to ensure the best quality.

[@All2Skitzd]

I would trust a Tesla made in China or Mexico a lot more than any legacy brands. I'm not a huge Tesla fan due to some of the things they have done but I feel like they have just about mastered the production process and are able not only to copy paste, they are able to improve with every new factory. They control what goes into the casting with their proprietary alloy

[@davesradiorepairs6344]

I'm very disappointed in the Philippine EV landscape so far.... You can get a BYD Dolphin, but they want way too much for it... You can't get the BYD Seal.... Not interested in the other choices... Still no Teslas yet...

[@paoloumali100]

Sealion is finally avaialble

[@samwang5831]

There are reliability issues reported on the internet about the BYD Seal, almost all of them are related to electronics, airbag warning light alway on, can't start , etc. I wonder if it had something to do with BYD making some of the chips that go into its cars.

[@toms5996]

Interesting. Us Nordics started receiving BYD EVs only less than half a year ago (BYD busses and other similar class vehicles have been on the road for almost 10 years.). We don't sell any products that are dangerous. I mean not one. Granted there might be a problem in the Finnish/Swedish/Norwegian/Danish QA system that is a century old. Or - there is something else.

[@samwang5831]

@@toms5996 BYD started its semiconductors manufacturing not so long ago, maybe less than 5 years ago. and it claims to make a large range of chips for automobiles. No one outside of BYD knows which model uses which chips.

[@chillfluencer]

Tell me how many - because it is completely normal that a percentage of cars has such issues. Show me any product where every single unit works flawlessly. As if Teslas have no issues...

[@davidbeppler3032]

@@chillfluencer Tesla has no issues worth worrying about. NHTSA screams RECALL over every OTA. lmao

[@bangJames-ox8kt]

@@samwang5831 汽车芯片不需要很高的算力，现在国内的很多造成新势力，用的都是高通骁龙8155芯片，和手机用的肯定比不了，但是在汽车上能流程运行，所以比亚迪自研也就是属于成熟的产业了，另外比亚迪其实造电动汽车已经是10多年前就开始的事了，所以国内出了故意抹黑的以外，基本都对比亚迪电池没什么担忧。

[@ajett5081]

The solution is a windup car. A big spring and a big key on the back.

[@MegaWilderness]

Renault made a 'steam car' in the 70's that ran on compressed air using a bi-directional compressor/engine

[@syletie]

The complaint was that the BYD seal AC was blowing aluminum powder.

[@tech5298]

Throw in some msg and a tab of gutter grease and you have a numbah fow special

[@eugenec7130]

I still don't understand why people buy hybrid cars. People who own hybrid cars tend to use them as ICE cars. They pay for ICE and EV parts of the cars but only use the ICE part. Why don't they stick to ICE if ICE is their passion?

[@KangoV]

You should check out BYD cars where the subframes are actually cracking. It seems they are made out of cheese. But, if you try and find it, all information seems to have disappeared.

[@NoWastedCalories]

Damn, when that BYD when off like a bomb, the parts flew off that car.

[@chefineer]

Who wants a battery which is only covered under warranty once it has lost 30% range first. If it were a good battery it would be losing no less than 10% range

[@sootuckchoong7077]

Looks like normal fuel cars are super safer. More lasting too. Why change?

[@mondotv4216]

It's obvious to me Sam is not an engineer as he equates complexity with reliability. The only time complexity can be an issue is if the failure points are not taken into account by the engineering. Two of the most reliable cars out there are the Outlander PHEV and the hybrid Toyota Camry. A hybrid car is often nearly as complex as a PHEV. The quality of the engineering is everything. Design something well and it really doesn't matter how complex it is and the reverse is true - design something poorly and even if it's very simple it will quickly fail. Case in point - 12V systems in many current EVs. A very simple system with a DC - DC coverter from the traction battery to the 12V battery and they keep getting it wrong.

[@tomv1217]

Reuters reported in January 2024 that BYD sold about 1.4 million plug-in hybrid EVs in 2023. Assuming an average of 117K hybrid EVs sold per month, that's a 2% customer complaint rate for July for the five hybrid EVs listed in the China Auto Customer Complaint chart (at minute 3:54). Not sure what constitutes a recall in China or if they do them, but comparing US auto manufacturers to foreign ones might suggest a roughly equivalent defect rate.[1] As the Electric Viking has suggested, ICE and hybrid vehicles are unnecessarily complicated and polluting. Best to avoid them. [1] "One study by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) found that foreign vehicles had a higher rate of recall than US made ones. The study found that foreign vehicles had a recall rate of 1.9%, while US made vehicles had a recall rate of 1.4%." (Jun 27, 2023)

[@AllDogsAreGoodDogs]

Ford recalled 50,000 F-150 ICE trucks because they were prone to catching fire. FIRE. It's not only BYD.

[@karimbennett5651]

Lawdy, lawdy! I knew them cheap cars came with a catch.

[@bunmeng007]

No matter how much BYD brags about its DM-i, I still think Toyota plug in technology is more reliable (higher learning curve to get the engine to be as reliable as Toyota). BEV BYD is the car to go, not the PHEV BYD

[@mengsiongkheng113]

Mate, you got it all wrong! Do the maths. BYD sells most car in China, simple math is to compute the percentage over total sales, this will automatically bring BYD stats down!

[@ubiratamuniz]

Even though pure BEVs are safer and more reliable than PHEVs, I can understand why some people prefer the plug-in hybrids over a pure BEV. China is a VERY big country, and there might be some areas in which roadside charging infrastructure is insufficient (pretty much the same problem we have in Brazil and that keeps BEVs from getting a bigger share of the market - I see more Song Plus DM-i´s than Atto 3´s on the road - 1 Atto per 3 Songs - here, even though they cost the same). So, for users who tend to hit the road more often, if the roadside charging infrastructure on their region is insufficient or unreliable, a PHEV might be (in that specific scenario) a better choice in terms of usability. I really don´t know how is the roadside charging infrastructure all over China, I´m just assuming that, like in my country, there are regions in which it might be not as developed as near larger cities, so, for those users a PHEV might be more adequate for the time being. Still, it´s important to see how many were sold in total all over China to see if the number of complaints is really relevant on total. Regarding the "problems", this "hybrid mode switch" complaint for me it seems like a case of users not reading the manual than a defect. It´s still better than the "bumps" that, for example, the Tiggo 8 PHEV (Chery) gives when transitioning from electric to fuel. About the Seal and D9 "design flaw", it´s worth digging a little further to keep us informed. The Seal has just been announced as the next BYD release in Brazil, and although it´s out of my pocket range 🤣it´s interesting to know what the fuzz is all about. But you CAN actually buy BYD PHEVs out of China, the Song Plus DM-i is officially offered here in Brazil, for example. Maybe they aren´t sold there in Australia, but that doesn´t make them an exclusive of China mainland market.

[@Cesar-dt5tn]

Isso aí

[@minjeh1980]

Don't need to victimise BYD. Tesla has plenty of problems. Poor service at the center, lied about the range, large numbers of complaints, spontaneous combustion, and the list goes on.

[@robertgreen9614]

What are the complaints per kms travelled for each tech? A car that does half the kms most likely has half the problems? The BYD Tang recall notice specifically states there was a problem with the battery tray that could allow water ingress resulting in high voltage discharge from the battery. Not sure how the ICE component of the hybrid system is responsible for this????????

[@rossnolan7283]

Automatic comment cancellation software in operation?

[@andrewjamez]

There is a video of a Chinese ev service center tearing down a byd vs tesla battery. Byd battery's are not contained in a waterproof housing vs tesla is. The byd cooling system is shit and only cools 1 end of the battery cells. Byd batteries are not reparable as all the internal battery modules are welded together vs tesla battery modules can be swapped out. BYD and other brands cut so many corners is not funny. This all presents safety concerns and sitting time bombs.

[@thehobo54]

No mention of the shorting problem where the whole car goes live, wheels , body everything! One final thing you seem to be making all the excuses under the sun for BYD, are you an employee?

[@tobycolin6271]

You miss the point BEV fires are rare. But as the quantity, use abd age of these cars increases the likelihood of a catastrophic event increases. It doesn’t matter in the insurance world if you where at fault it’s the likelihood of an event generates the premium. I had two no fault claims in 2022 two people hit my parked van. My premium went up 25% because the likelihood of me being involved in ab accident increased. BEVs may not have initiated the fire but because the likelihood is increasing of a catastrophic event insurers will increase premiums or not insure BEVs on ships or in enclosed public spaces. Tunnels, car parks, ferries and cargo ships will all be to higher risk for BEVs

[@cozyandahalle]

The floods in China cannot be helping. EVs still remain a high-risk purchase relative to ICE cars -- at least in perception. EVs are not prone to the same routine maintenance and warranty problems that can be annoying in an ICE car but which are unlikely to break-the-bank -- but EVs do seem to be more prone to catastrophic failure. This is one of Tesla's advantages. If you are going to buy an EV, most would rather risk it with market leader rather than with the follow-ons.

[@davidbeppler3032]

Also Tesla does not care about water. Damn things drive underwater. I have seen videos of it.

[@outragousbob4367]

Toyota hit piece. Fairly sure there are boat loads of Prius’s on the road and they are continually rated near the top of all vehicles for reliability regardless of type. All of you people who follow this guy need only ask one question, who pays him to do this? My money is on EV battery makers or quite possibly BYD.

[@sc-to4uf]

*Unless you can track and confirm the authenticity of the so-called complaints, the data is simply useless for self-explanatory reasons.*

[@chefineer]

While true, uninformative

[@burningconfusion]

Considering not getting an Outlander and waiting to see the AU Song PHEV and nervous now!

[@grossersalat578]

The Seal is also sold as PHEV in China.

[@ALxdCr4ftPlays]

NEVER USE WATER FOR ELECTRICAL FIRES. How dumb can they be?

[@Victor-vj5ds]

Not as dumb as you, the batteries catch fire from thermal runaway, you use water to stop that, the water is unlikely to cause the battery to spontaneously combust.

[@luting3]

Not surprise at all. They just produced way way too many models. They should focus on quality of models not quantity of models.

[@brianwall5244]

You’d need to be seriously daft to buy any Chinese made car. We broke down several BYD models including their EV’s. Shoddy workmanship, some of it almost deliberate or at least well known by the company. Also the cost breakdown shows the cars can’t be profitable at the present resales. They are dumping them.

[@ImFromDenmark1980]

Most problems you see of BYD cars in happening in China, The BYD cars exported to Europe is of better quality. We dont have eany problems with BYD

[@dietmarwolf79]

It is so obvious to see in all those videos about burning cars. In nearly all cases firefighters are seen trying to extinguish the fire with water. They are all gas guzzlers, I bet.

[@james_l4337]

No Those are hybrid meaning they have fire from petroleum parts then obviously there's also the battery One burns the other also will be affected If it's ternary Li battery then it will not stop burning short circuited and / or petroleum fuel parts burn affecting the rest of car

[@andrewgraham7659]

It's the mix of minerals that are the problem, just like the fuel of the ICE car is the environmental concern. If the problem could be fixed.

[@koenraad4618]

Build Your Dream Bonfire pro, a plugin hybrid (explosive batteries and external combustion engine)

[@mazdarx7887]

Ok, lets get this straight, the major complaint about the BYD cars is that the engine starts when it normally shouldn't. The engine starts to purge the fuel tank, probably a good thing. Inconvenient noise and unnecessary charging of the battery, poor babies.

[@SalManila1]

The BYD Sealion PHEV or Sealion 6 dm i has landed in many countries.

[@naturetruth5218]

Having zero knowledge of hybrid, this Vikings is making stupid false claims repeatedly.

[@tonyp2865]

OK, tell us all about it.

[@RexAlfieLee]

Sam, tell us if the cars that took down the ship, were they hybrids?

[@gordonfraser5999]

He never answers anyone.

[@santiagokiwi3187]

I guess I should cancel my BYD Sea Lion 6 order...

[@mrjasonjneal]

Don't put our EV fires with water. Use a suffocation blanket

[@luisochoa731]

The short circuit bi-ken is having a thermal runaway talking about "his precious"

[@bjarnesegaard5701]

Thanks viking for another serious video and debunking the EV fire fud, You have the knowledge to tell the difference between plugin hubrids and BEVs.

[@electricviking]

Much appreciated

[@JBeck2468]

China is not known for reliability. What’d you expect? 🤣

[@jackzhi3172]

Yeah, of course Tesla is known for “reliability”👍

[@southkoreausasmaster8805]

Explain that you are poor and can only buy low-quality goods for poor people. The quality of Chinese products depends on how much you pay. China is the whole industrial chain.

[@Spectoral_on_SPOTIFY]

Do you get incentivised in any way by BYD?

[@geofftosio4807]

Sam PLEASE do some investigation into the 'Design Flaw' with the EV Seal, these are about to be sold in Australia and we need to know why the model is losing sales over in China....we don't have working models in Australia yet so we need that info before we commit here. It'll be a very popular video!

[@astanil]

Yes agree.. im verry curious too.. What do you think.. Sam.. why seal sales not as good as dolohine and atooo3

[@geofftosio4807]

I bought the Seal, very happy with it..

[@d1skel452]

What about Mercedes setting themselves on fire. 😂

[@johnporter5828]

I hope this doesn't mean that another Chinese product is junk....

[@petersimms4982]

Well my tv , iPhone, dvd player, light bulbs, generator,cordless hand tools,portable fridge, tent and cooker hob need to be binned 😮

[@petersimms4982]

May buy a British Jaguar though at £150,000 a piece , propped up by the British tax payer to the tune of £500million for the benefit of the wealthy 😢

[@stephenc6955]

02:36 -- Absolutely unacceptable.

[@aldob5681]

not the battery? the fuel tank? an old and reliable component? maybe the rest is even worse.

[@bobbdenver6476]

i have an byd at home in the garage i don't drive it and have no complaints

[@stevewalsh-balshaw1727]

What is the main issue with any car......the electrics and electronics it's no surprise ev's are breaking down and will become very unreliable secondhand

[@hornox4life]

There is a perverse incentive to manufacture self destructing vehicles.

[@esphilee]

It is available in my area. Went for test drive. Overall is a decent car, well priced. Its acceleration is addictive. Will definitely get one once the issue is sorted.

[@johnchang3807]

Battery or not battery issues , the badge is BYD not Tesla!!

[@avdp9095]

In the Netherlands we have many busses from Byd, chauffeurs don't want the busses anymore due to very poor reliability...... catch fire, many quality issues. Hundreds of busses involved...

[@21ddd]

Info about plug in hybrid is misleading about their reliability. The problem lies mainly with BYD plug in hybrids. Li auto hybrids in fact have the least complaints from all segments of vehicles and even lower than Tesla (EVs). Li auto reliability is amazing to be honest from the data presented on carchina and hence the reason for their skyrocketing sales although being expensive. Until there is an access just about everywhere in a country the size of China + access to charging for apartment dwellers, hybrids will be seen as a bridge solution. EVs obviously come with their superior advantages like what you mentioned in terms of lower maintenance needs and costs and less complexity leading to better overall safety records so for someone living in a house and only doing city driving it is the best option.