Electronic Water Descaler Review - Yarna Water Softener

[@DaveWirth]

Yarna Water Descaler (CWD24) ....................... amzn.to/31M7j58

[@loboximenes]

So, a guy spends his time and energy trying to show an honest review using POV. Like most of us do. We look and feel, like he did. He never said it would be a scientific test, like they do in laboratories. People come and complain instead thanking the person for the time spent. If you didn't like it, a good idea would be, make a review yourself, easy. As for me, I'm thankful for the time shared.

[@voltron_5]

I have been using the CALMAT brand, made in Germany but works using the same principle. I’m happy with it. The calcium residue/build ip on dishes and glass has been reduced gradually over time to the point of the hand washed or dishwasher washed glassware being spotless regardless of brand or type of dishwashing fluid used by hand or dishwasher. Same thing with rust, it has gradually been reduced to the point of visually undetectable. I believe the rust will keep showing up in the end result until the pipes in the house have been “cleaned” or gradually been removed as this type of process designed to do so this will take time. I’ve had my unit installed about 5-6 years ago. In your case, rust is always coming from the source so it’ll take something else to remove the rust to make a bigger difference. I believe from my personal experience with my unit, overtime it works great as the unit has had enough time to gradually remove preexisting rust and calcium deposits and build up inside the plumbing of my house. Also, if you had started the wraps from close to the unit and have the coils of the wraps going outward vs starting out and wraps going inward you would have more wraps around the pipe because you’re starting the wraps sooner close to the unit rather than going away from the unit then start wrapping which I think more wraps around the pipe should be more effective to some degree.

[@fractuured1]

Had it for a year now. Almost zero rust in my water, so that's not a factor. Not sure about the overall health of dishwasher and water heater, but there's a significant reduction in shower and toilet scaling. Not sure about my aquarium. Still seems to leave buildup when the water evaporates but not sure if it's less bad. Overall, I'm pleased. I think people have to be sure they're managing their expectations based on what it says it's capable of and what it's not.

[@ThriftyGarage]

Great review and information. I recently did an unboxing review and initial install. I'll be linking viewers to your video so they can take a deeper dive on how well it works.

[@wd3c]

You need an iron removal system ahead of the softener that uses NS mix, google that up. As for the filter. Look for a spin down filter with reusable filter. Just take out the filter soak it in iron out and put it back in. I've been using the same 2 filters for 11 years and there still good.

[@imbatido]

Can you please link it?

[@sharonrose9552]

@@imbatido NS appears to be calcium and magnesium for low pH. I have read you need to have a balanced pH and iron removal before these. The iSpring automatic flushing spin down filter is what I went with because it backflushes all by itself.

[@STREETFIGHTER50]

Thanks for the video! I’m really interested in getting one of these electric descalers! 👍🏽👍🏽

[@tomlarge8841]

Water flow test isn't taking into account for inlet pressure changes. Ppm test isn't taking into account for filters at varying stages of life cycle. Overall good video!

[@AmayaWiseWoman]

Thank you for your insights. They really helped. I had no trouble hearing you. It seems that the device does some help but not like a salt-based water softener. I will keep looking and hoping that science comes up with something more definitive and doable. I have a septic tank and can't do the salt stuff.

[@terrafirma9328]

Seems this would be best applied right before the laundry washer and dishwasher and shower. It helps make more suds to clean by reducing water tension the same as soap does from what I've observed and the water loses the effect several feet after. Don't know if it is significant enough to protect a water heaters elements from buildup. I doubt it does much for that. It has more like a temporary micro aggitation effect on the water which goes away rather quickly the farther away from the source.

[@sathyaprasad1411]

Thanks brother for your conclusion and hard effort towards it. This system may not be suitable for you requirement as there is more iron content in your water sample as per your feedback, but this system is built to work effectively on Cacium and magnesium hardness in water. Once again thanks for your effort

[@subbannar7319]

I think you are from India. How can we get it in India as Amazon doesn't ship here.

[@alex-sd]

Thanks so much for this review. I'm wondering how the less expensive units like this would do.

[@audiokees4045]

you did wind coils on copper water pipe, is this not bad for electromagnetic field. You need a plastic waterpipe and test again, then the electromagnetic field is stronger.

[@DuncanDimanche-sreview]

so even with the water softener and a pre filter you are still getting rust out of your faucets ? And if you have a water softener shouldn't it get rid of the calcium build up on your glass cups or shower ? maybe I missed something

[@ajcampana]

Good video, thanks! I have read that iron/rust over 0.3ppm actually deactivates water conditioners and makes them ineffective. Have you tried an iron removal system prior to the descaler?

[@greenmarine5]

velcro strips would be better I would think at holding those strips down to the pipe. Excellent video and follow threw thank you for the info!!

[@evanweller]

A Greensand filter should make the biggest improvement for your rust

[@tvbuijhg]

Based on a quote found on this video, wouldn't it make sense to put a spin down flushable water filter after the descaler to then filter out the water crystals that were formed by the descaler. Assuming the crystals are big enough. This then would have the effect of softening your water and dramatically reducing the TDS measurement. Here is the quote I base this statement on: OK - very simply, what the magnetic field does is that it causes the calcium carbonate to deposit as aragonite rather than calcite. As this tends to nucleate and grow in the water rather than on the pipe surface the solids just wash through. I did some extensive work on this decades ago for my company using two identical electrically heated hot water tanks , one with permnanet magnets on the inlet pipe - the other without. Water was heated and held for 12 hours then drained and refilled. After two months the solids in the tank were analysed (XRD and chemically) - and although there was plenty of loose powdered material in the base of the tank that had the magnets - it was largely aragonite , whereas the other was mainly calcite, a lot of which had deposited on the walls and the heating element. So yes it works - no it doesn't soften the water and yes - two fairly large NdFeB magnets either side of the inlet pipe (in attraction) is all you need.

[@DaveWirth]

Ya i wasn't sure. Install it before the water filters and try to filter out the suspended particles. Install it after the water filters and hope the "effect" improves / cleaner pipes. Maybe your idea makes sense. Have the descaler create particles then immediately filter them out of the water.

[@kayzrx8]

Very interesting. Also the particles are way to small to filter with spin down or media based filter.

[@scottfiresign953]

Hi Dave I know this is an old review but I wanted to get your take on both your water filtration system you use and the Yarna water descaler. You've used them both for a long time and I wanted to know what your experience has been long-term. I'm in the process of buying a new home and the area has very hard city water. I don't want to use a salt based water softener as they are horrible for the environment and add salt to your drinking water. I'm also not interested in reverse osmosis system as they waste a ton of water and I'm in a drought area so not an option. So trying to find a good solution or something that will dramatically reduce scale build up. I would also like to filter out all the bad stuff from the water. So any recommendations based on your experience is greatly appreciated. Thanks Scott

[@DaveWirth]

Ya we have really rusty well water. This water descaler i don't think too much. But it's hard for me to measure. We have a water softener, air iron filter and 4 other filters - otherwise our clothes turn orange and toilets get rust. For city water, maybe you could just buy one 5 micron filter and change that every few months. It's a pain, but not terrible. Here's some other video's i did about the water filters, changing softener resin, air iron filter: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hXzdd6WugLF3r6M kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZpCpkKuLgK2qeLM kzbin.info/www/bejne/fnLPpYmml7yEpJI

[@voltron_5]

@@scottfiresign953 I use the CALMAT brand descaler. Same principle as the Yarma, German made. Been using it for 5-6 years. I’m still happy with it. For filtration I use the WaterDrop brand. Not expensive and have different types and models for your purpose. I filter for drinking water purpose only so I use the under the sink type. Very simple and easy installation. Different pore sizes filter media are available. I’ve had my unit for about 4 years now. I’m still happy with it. My unit is the single (bigger) canister unit one. I can add another unit behind it with smaller pores filter media if desired. I’ve just been postponing it. This one will reduce the gpm flow output by a smidge. Amazon usually has good deals. I actually trust the water from this filter more than the water from the “drinking water store” where you bring your own containers. I remember my girlfriend’s coffee maker water reservoir would develop mildew and mine coffee did not. She always bought her water from the store and I always and still use my filter under my kitchen sink.

[@voltron_5]

@@scottfiresign953 I also ditched the reverse osmosis unit in my house as the house is on a septic system. I didn’t want wasted water just filling up the septic tank. Water is pretty hard where I live in the high desert of So Cal.

[@Pdpawlak]

I’ve had a similar product. If you have one at every faucet, it might help keep the particles suspended, but they really are just a placebo. Your water softener and filters should be knocking out the rust and mineral deposits. If you still have issues after your system you need to upgrade or get a larger system.

[@kayzrx8]

Your well pump, unless its a constant pressure system, fluctuates with the pressure switch settings. The swing can be anywhere from 10 to 20 psi. Its impossible to get consistent GPM measurements with a bucket unless you are doing the measurement after each time the pump stops cycling. These descalers ( electronic conditioners) do absolutely nothing for rust. Given the high amount of iron in your water, your water softener resin is more than likely clogged with rust. and is working very inefficiently. Water softener are not designed to deal with large amounts of iron in your water. You need a filter system designed for iron removal like green sand or an air pocket oxidizing filter with an oxidizing media placed before the softener . TDS will not improve with an electronic conditioner as it does not remove any dissolved solids from the water which is consistent with your results. The only thing the electronic conditioners are good for is limescale buildup from hard water and calcium, even then they are no where as good as a salt based water softener. I would get your resin changed in the softener or try running a cycle with iron out in brine well to try and clean the resin bed. Also I would run a product like ResCare with the auto drip system into the softener to keep the resin from fouling up with iron. Great review of the Descaler.

[@DaveWirth]

I agree with you. I've run IronOut through the softener before, but i've been putting off changing out the resin. But it's something i've been meaning to do. I'm almost positive it's full of rust, like our showers and toilets.

[@absoluteloyalty9033]

It's great that this guy tries to make an unbiased test which is a lot more than what professional reviewers do. But, there is one big criticism. His data on limescale buildup is based upon personal observation is a big no-no with scientific studies because human perception is easily manipulated unknowingly. Just to let you know, scientific research has shown that electronic and magnetic descalers have NO effect. These companies should be sued for selling stuff that's completely fake.

[@DaveWirth]

I agree. My "science" is barely that. I know i should have done several tests, used a control, done over several days/weeks/months, all of that stuff you see on Mythbusters. I didn't have the time or the energy to do all that, so you get what you saw in the video - a half hearted attempt. Having said that, it's not like i came to some amazing conclusions in the video. Most comments i showed were "no change" "small improvement" 1%-3% in flow. So it's not like i said anything profound like this will cure all your problems. But yes, most of my "observations" or changes are probably due to poorly done tests or within the standard deviation of error.

[@MrJustDIY]

Great review

[@johnwilliams3776]

My understanding is that this device should delay Calcium ions and Carbonate ions from combining to make solid Calcium Carbonate. If the delay is long enough, the solid isn't formed before in time to clog pipes and shower nozzles, etc. That seems to be why it's less effective at longer stretches of pipe (I think 50' was mentioned in the video). I think about seeding rain clouds: If silver nitrate is added to clouds, it creates places where rain drops can fall (precipitate). This seems to do the opposite: Expose ions to strong magnetic fields to make them LESS likely to combine (form solids that will stick to pipes and nozzles). Does it work? I don't know and the video seems a little inconclusive. Would I pay a few hundred dollars? I'd like to have greater evidence that it works.

[@DudesIn101]

Why did you start so far away from unit instead of straight down ,because your loosing turns on the pipe leaving themstraight over and turning in.i don't know if it works it works if not try the way straight down then turn in over the pipe

[@martha4761]

Thank you very much for this review. At least there is a choice before buying the $ 5000 soft water at my house. Any recommendations for soft water system less expenses please?

[@DaveWirth]

Well i wasn't able to really test the softness/hardness of the water. But they have water softners on Amazon for like $600: amzn.to/2LEC1b2

[@absoluteloyalty9033]

You shouldn't pay more than $1k for a water softener. The legitimate ones are all the same. It's just resin beads. The only factor is the size. Look for ones with an Aquatrol, Clack, or Fleck controller. Then, just get a local plumber to install it. Should cost you a little over $1k for the material and labor.

[@allexla4433]

can this only be used on copper pipes?

[@bayside6207]

It can be used on all pipes.

[@wilcoxtactical3716]

Can I use this in conjunction with a water softener or is it only 1 or the other? Would this make my water heater last longer

[@waterlec8718]

Would a pressure reducing valve in the middle of both wraps be ok, or do the two wraps HAVE to occur on the same flat pipe ?

[@voltron_5]

@@waterlec8718 I think so, at least I’m hoping so because I currently have mine installed just like that after installing the Moen Flo Automatic water shut off valve was installed about 3 weeks ago. I think if I remember correctly, even before the installation of the Moen Flo, the PRV sits between the wraps. I’ve had my descaler/rust remover unit for about 5-6 years now. It’s a different brand called CALMAT; made in Germany 🇩🇪

[@iaminbetweendays]

Thanks.

[@jorgemiranda5807]

Buen video Gracias por tu recomendación Creo que sí lo voy a comprar

[@Smokin_N_Jokin]

I wonder is you have a salt softener in place would the results been better

[@normamanty7069]

Do you still use a water softener? You mentioned you had one. I am trying to replace a salt based (bags of heavy salt) water softener/conditioner. I have a whole house filter and a then a Water Boss softener - but tired of the bags of salt. I have well water.

[@DaveWirth]

Yes i still use a water softener. Not sure how much this really works.

[@Mr_i_o]

No stereo?

[@webcrawler5548]

You might not be using the right filtration system to treat your iron problems. You most likely have multiple forms of iron in your water (ferric iron and bacterial iron) and you would have to treat your well (shock the well) for the bacterial iron and use an oxidizer filtration system to remove the other forms of iron.

[@farmguru2707]

Thanks 💕dear

[@violinaahtemenciuc638]

Did you stop using the filters and softener during the experiment?

[@DaveWirth]

No, i continued using my existing water softener. I was more concerned with the lime scale and possible removal of rust. The "experiments" i did were only semi-scientific

[@myturkishlife1777]

Great video, well done ..

[@GrowingAnswers]

Not sure where you got 50ft effectiveness from. That’s the general effective loop for magnetic ones. This capacitive one is said to be effective for over a mile. Also from what I understand is that it’s not effective on iron. It only reacts with calcium and magnesium. I have one myself that I just installed. My expectations is just less deposits on surfaces and maybe less buildup in the bottom of the hot water tank.

[@dustinabraham]

3 years later... are you still using this system. I am having a problem with my water flow and looking at options I can use in conjunction with my salt softener to improve the flow. Any insight?

[@DaveWirth]

I'm still using it. Not sure how much it helps I have a couple 10x4 water filters .............. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hXzdd6WugLF3r6M Then i just installed a big iron filter ......... kzbin.info/www/bejne/fnLPpYmml7yEpJI

[@CarlaCaseF]

I would love for you to do another check since it has been a year. Great video, thanks!

[@DaveWirth]

Ya maybe one day. Not sure that it's made a huge change. There's still a little rust and stuff in the toilets and shower (though it didn't say it would fix that) Lime scale on the shower doesn't seem too bad recently Water pressure in the bath seems about the same, but that's just a guess.

[@missyspirit]

When you ran test were already installed softener and filters still connected or did you bypass them and results were only from descales? Thanks

[@Chief2414]

Are u suppose to put it before the water softener in the entrance of house before it hits the Presure tank or after ? The softener and all filters ???

[@DaveWirth]

There's lots of different opinions about the location that this could be placed. Some people say that i put it so far away from my shower upstairs that it's effect was minimal. I think this would be better for a small house with short runs of pipe.

[@sweetdream73]

I want to manufacture this product where can I find literature about this product,can you help.

[@jonathanpawlowski3626]

How did this hold up over time? I've seen some pictures of pipes oxidizing. Thanks for the tips

[@DaveWirth]

I haven't really looked at it since i put it up. I'll have to check the next time i'm down there.

[@jonathanpawlowski3626]

@@DaveWirthsorry to bother, but have you had a chance to look at that yet?

[@DaveWirth]

@@jonathanpawlowski3626 No i keep forgetting. But i don't think i remember seeing anything on the outside of the pipe last time i saw it. I'll try to remember to check.

[@DaveWirth]

@@jonathanpawlowski3626 Here's some pictures i took of the pipe this weekend: ibb.co/Rjb3f92 ibb.co/W0n0txr ibb.co/6Wfq38z ibb.co/YcBxy9G ibb.co/84wYB68 It didn't look bad or corroded. And comparing it to the video at 3:10 i don't really see any change from a year ago.

[@jonathanpawlowski3626]

@@DaveWirth wow, thank you for the report! I really appreciate the effort. Glad to see it's working out.

[@ki5ngau]

Did you turn of your water softener when you performed each test? Your results might not be accurate if the second reading was done right after the water softener was washed while the results from the first reading was done much longer after the water softener was washed.

[@absoluteloyalty9033]

This tech does not work. There is ZERO evidence that it does. You notice the company provides no scientific studies. It's a scam.

[@chrissukala2973]

did the water feel better when you took a shower or no?

[@DaveWirth]

Not really. Couldn't tell a difference

[@polonskyg]

Someone knows if this can be harmful regarding electricity and magnetism if installed in a bathroom (where the main pipe is), meaning being near your head? I don't know if the magnetism only "runs inside the pipe" or also to the other way around. Also if it's completely healthy, Do it means having the bigger one on an inch pipe will make its job better? Thanks!

[@travispollard9314]

Do you think it will prevent scale build up on water heater elements?

[@DaveWirth]

It says it does. But it's hard to know. Some say it works, some say it's fake science. I didn't notice a huge difference on things. Maybe less limescale buildup on my glass shower door??? But most of my tests weren't very scientific, just observations.

[@travispollard9314]

Ok, thanks. I have to find a solution to prevent scale buildup that won't harm my septic and leech field.

[@DaveWirth]

@@travispollard9314 Well there's a ton of people that have opinions on whether this works. Some say yes, but only effective for 50 feet of pipe. Some say it doesn't do anything. There's also regular old magnets people put on pipes that do something.

[@bayside6207]

@@DaveWirth Yarna brand is effective up to 1.2 miles. 50ft- you're talking about the other brands.

[@longago1faraway027]

I have done a lot of digging since I really need something. I have to replace my water heater element every 10 month without adding salt to my softener. How long can this product extend my element usage? Half a month? Two month? Based on my weeks of reading, the main conclusion statistically is: "May or may not work", "a little improvement", "seems working". I am not sure if this type of product is really useful since my salt softener has extended my heater element usage 10+ years. I wish I am wrong, need somebody help me to see it.

[@DaveWirth]

I would go with the softner. This doesn't do much if anything

[@jndeprez4362]

"RUST" => easy to fix ! Water flowing through a gravel tank (coarse sand/ 150 kg) and flushing with compressed air for 1/2h every week.

[@Info123aqua]

You should test it with water softener turn off

[@mikefa5891]

It's a water conditioner, not a water softener. Should try a whole house water filtration system that functions almost like the reverse osmosis filter, it will remove probably over 90% of your minerals including calcium and iron rust.

[@polishculito]

Does it work on plastic pipes the same way as copper ones?

[@DaveWirth]

I think it said it does.

[@hsavidge]

Yes all types of pipes, this is the model for a 1 inch diameter. They make models for up to a 4 inch diameter pipe.

[@bayside6207]

Better.

[@PaulClay46masonWV]

No, Yarna is effective for 1.2miles. The electronic ones are only good for 50ft

[@jamesvandamme7786]

I've read a bunch of "theories" on how these are supposed to work, and none of them are plausible. They all seem to generate small voltage pulses that are supposed to chemically change the scale so it doesn't precipitate. It takes a lot of energy to do that. The Yarna probably generates similar pulses and uses the two copper wraps to couple them into the water. However, with a copper pipe it makes a capacitor and so those tiny pulses are going to turn into a current through that short length of pipe. Nobody can show evidence that such a tiny AC magnetic field will have any effect on hard water ions. Data over 3 months will be highly variable due to changes in the incoming water over the seasons, which is why people who have spent big bucks on similar systems sometimes report "I think it's working". Of course you don't hear from the from the others who realize they've been scammed. .A real test would show improvement instantaneously and could be tested chemically. Also, parallel water streams should be compared.

[@WalkaboutLife]

Did you stop using softener salt during trial?

[@DaveWirth]

No, still used salt

[@jndeprez4362]

rust + YOU NEED REINZAND / GRID IN A Tanks ( ~INOX) of +/- 500L with 1/3 GRID and rinsing every hour /5 minutes and meanwhile blowing in compressed air above, you can collect the water for .... . Replace GRID every 2 to 3 years ! "Will be perfect "

[@termalouvideochannel6281]

It have absolutely no influence on rust in the water, It is an Ion Exchanger, only make calcium not build up as limestone !!!!

[@patrickdocherty3398]

After six months the improvement at our home is very low

[@jamesvandamme7786]

Not surprising, since it doesn't do anything.

[@KryptonianTeacher]

Microphone is unbearable but otherwise nice review

[@bcmiller2000]

Something major is wrong with your microphone, mumbling throughout the video.

[@Maxime-ho9iv]

Sorry but this is completely misleading. The conclusion is like "it is making an improvement", while all data is saying "this is not making anything at all". This is a goddam $300 device, that it has "no maintenance" is part of the scam, you already spent the money man, come on! And you keep comparing this to what you spent on filters, while it will never ever replace them, so what's the point of the comparison? Again this is misleading since people could interpret this like they can avoid the filters and place this instead, which is an heresy of course.

[@smiert13]

:D This guy has well water with pump and tank. Dou you know that your tank has different pressures every time you open faucet? YOUR PUMP OPERATES IN RANGE OF PSI !!! There is a pressure switch and usually about 10 PSI difference in your tank you GENIUS :D More PSI = more water in your bucket! Also you have to install this shit on main line and after WH, if you installing only one I would go after WH.

[@DaveWirth]

Whats WH? And it is installed on the main cold water line after all the filters and softener. And I was hoping the 5 gallon bucket would average out any small pressure differences

[@smiert13]

@@DaveWirth WH = water heater. No, 5 gal not enough, it depends on how big is your tank, but with pump and tank you can't do this test. After WH water comes back to it's original state because of long time sitting in it and also heating it up. If you want best results you need two of them, one on the main line and another after WH. It does not remove any rust, it works only for calcium, everything else is marketing shit :) I'm plumber and know if you have galvanized pipes CHANGE it because nothing gonna restore flow. Copper pipe get only calcium build up inside and never rust. Never saw copper pipe clogged because of calcium but it does stick to copper walls. P.s. if you want to do this test in your scenario, you have to open faucet, wait to pump kick in, close faucet, wait until pump stops, test flaw and best if your pump not gonna kick in second time. You can temporary turn pump off. And next time do the same thing.

[@DaveWirth]

@@smiert13 Ok, makes sense. And ya the calcium thing is probably right too. I was willing to try anything to reduce the amount of rust in our water.

[@eugenehickey4861]

NO WAY BUY FILTER+