Electrostatically Surface Bonded Graphene on Plastic

[@caleb9386]

Hi, Can you also give us a glimpse of the electrostatic process used for deposition of graphene on to the plastic film?

[@benthere8051]

This would make an excellent material for a supercap current collector. You could make an entire cap just a few thousandths thick. A hundred caps could be stacked into a thickness of an inch. A ten million farad capacitor would be easily accomplished. The edges of the individual cells could be fused to provide isolation. This is exciting. This is better than batteries can ever be.

[@stevem153]

Hi Jim. That's one of the applications I will be looking at along with battery current collectors.

[@michaelhayes7849]

Thanks for this excellent work. The heating mat is something I would like to use in an upcoming high altitude research balloon. The full list of aviation uses seems to be rather long.

[@benthere8051]

@@stevem153- I can't imagine a better material or process for both caps or batteries. The substrate is a great insulator that's both tough and flexible and the conductive film can be selectively applied. And if the ohms/sq is too low it can be plated to provide any value you could realistically want. Also the plastic film can be thermally fused to provide insulation from adjacent cells. Plus the selectively plated area can be made smaller than the separator, preventing the plates from shorting. I can imagine a battery or a cap that's only .050" thick or less. This process would produce a cell that's only 3 layers thick - a top plate, a seperator, and a bottom plate. Way To Go !!!!

[@robweaver8872]

I have a strange feeling it might not work. I doubt it would hold up to the stress a current collector goes through. I think the graphene would flake off pretty quick. Would be amazing if you could make it work though!

[@caleb9386]

Hi Ben, Did you try it out? What were your observations?

[@davelowe1977]

Be interesting to see if this plating technique could be applied to filaments. You could then weave conductive fabrics.

[@OceanBagel]

Really cool! I wonder if a more porous plastic could allow conduction between layers by letting the conductive material diffuse through the plastic sheet.

[@benthere8051]

A heavily plated tab folded at the top might work just as well. Both sides would be connected to the conductive plate and could easily accommodate series or parallel connections of individual cells. An electroless process as used in pc Board thru holes could work as well.

[@vulvoxify]

Taint sure

[@benthere8051]

The ability to electroplate the plastic is critical - the higher conductivity of the metal radically lowers the ESR and allows the cap/battery to deliver the full charge very much faster. Can the electrostatically-applied graphene be selectively applied with a mask so the edges of the film do not get plated? If that was the case the plastic could serve a dual function - not only could it serve as a substrate for the conductors but it could be heat-sealed to the opposite side of the cell. A heretofore seven-layer device becomes a three-layer device. RMS has demonstrated the ability of selectively screening the ink onto a conductor in the past. If both sides of a tab at one end of the plate could be plated by an electroless process or by the electrostatic graphene, the individual cells could be combined in parallel very easily. This would result in a very high capacity, very thin, cell to be produced that could be stacked to form a massive capacitor or battery. This is very exciting.

[@Karabetter]

Now if you could take that material, plate it with aluminum (might have to be in a deep eutectic solvent), then oxidize it, and finally put it pack in the electrostatic process, this time with aluminum ... You might be able to create a solid-state, aluminum electrolytic / supercapacitor hybrid (aluminum dielectric)! You might break the 2.7V supercapacitor max voltage, which could in turn lead to some very high energy storage capability. Imagine a supercapacitor with a typical aluminum electrolytic working voltage max rating. :)

[@jasonmorello1374]

Is there more your can say about your process for the electrostatic graphene bonding itself?

[@aussie_Logic]

The bonding would be interesting to show yes please.

[@jasonmorello1374]

@@stefanlange485 This is exactly the process I am interested in, as well as how you chose to make said powder, if possible. I have something of an idea, but want to be able to compare that with what you have.

[@aaknuu]

@@stefanlange485 that's what I've found so far.

[@Hands2HealNow]

Love the floor heating mat!! What a great way to heat older buildings.

[@DaleOwens1]

great stuff, put a good layer of copper on a strip and leave it out to oxidize. you'll have black copper oxide on graphene. maybe try dipping it in some dilute sulfuric acid should give you red copper oxide.

[@RWBHere]

Many years ago - probably on 'Tomorrow's World', they showed a similar-looking sheet, onto which they had deposited tiny dipoles, and it was able to generate electricity from Infra Red energy in sunlight and from other sources. It seems to have disappeared. Something to think about, which could possibly be used behind a photovoltaic panel, keeping the PV panel cooler, and thus more efficient, whilst extracting more from the sunlight. Thanks, both, for the demonstrations.

[@stevemacbr]

Robert Murry-Smith - Steve - Great developments,... Vacuum deposition is very accurate in homogenous 'coating thicknesses' down to the Angstrom. . Also,... as for the 'z-resistance' or through the membrane,... have you considered the plastic membrane materials used in REVERSE OSMOSIS to separate the permeate - as a basis for your further applications??? .

[@stevem153]

Hi Steve. Thanks for your comments. I will look into the vacuum deposition process. I'm also looking into SILAR deposition as well. For the experiments I have in mind, I only need the x, and y, planes. Ion exchange membranes do open up a range of different uses though. I would guess they are pretty expensive but thanks for the suggestion.

[@Khwartz]

? You gave the thickness of the coating but what is the thickness of the PET? Please ^^ Anyway, Awesome As Used To! This graphene on plastic coating looks Very Promising! Btw, thanks the the Good Sound, Clear and Without Echo. Just a tip: as You must light behind the scene, if You show something before You, having the light in the background, You need to set a spot to light the thing You want to show otherwise it looks too dark ;) Hope will have soon some financial To Support You Again :) Best Regards, Didier

[@jasonzook7775]

Thanks for all the videos you make. You got people excited about the hemp fiber based carbon being used. Please update us on this subject more! Or have the battery barons bartered tight lips for packed pockets?

[@grahamh4960]

It gets better all the time. Will be shopping with you early next month after I get the Xmas CC spending paid off..

[@stevem153]

Thanks, Graham.

[@AB-C1]

Excellent stuff! Cheers from London 👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

[@danp1224]

Great work guys. will the ink stick to a microfiber cloth I want to plate some zinc on a microfiber cloth for my new electrode for my zinc hexacyanoferrate battery. I'm getting really good results. Thanks for all the information you guys are great.

[@askquestionstrythings]

Interesting... electrostatic graphene bonding to plastic. I assume you can selectively mask the plastic to control the deposition location of the graphene, but how small can that masking be? selective deposition would open up even more possible applications.

[@NeoShameMan]

How great it is for making Stirling engine? I mean it's easier to do than solar panel, Robert had shown in the past that grapheme can increase or isolate from heat. There is probably a design that would work with these property.

[@stevem153]

I will do some research. That sounds an interesting idea.

[@peterjones6945]

I bought a metric vernier micrometer at least 35 yrs ago, it measures to 1 micron (0.001mm) but you can guesstimate to about 0.0003mm

[@stingdr1248]

Hello sir, Is there a research journal, how to make your the conductive plastic?

[@Buzzhumma]

I do wonder why graphene is not being used in the powder coating industry for the application to plastic . Maybe they can’t get the same negative charge onto it like they can metal . Maybe the high static charge is to dangerous ?

[@andrewbeaton3302]

Awesome! Did a ton of plating, agitation works very well!!

[@AaronHarper]

Brilliant stuff Steve. I wish I had used this process rather than an inkjet deposition; it would have made the final product much more durable.

[@NAL63]

Can you make it transparent, and the size of my rear window in my car, great rear defogger, very interested in how efficient this would be for in floor heating too?

[@murb2586]

effin yes. this is effin awesome. maybe using lasers and light sensitive substrates during the embedding process can control the "graphenation" process to better suit particular applications. like a 3d graphene laser etcher/printer. i figure it might work because friggin' lasers. more power to you all

[@vulvoxify]

What was he repeatedly apologizing for?

[@martynjones973]

Thanks again all, catching up on all your videos and also trying the graphemes laminator idea then electroplating with nickel 👍

[@overunitydotde]

Very well done. Can you also get transparent sheets that are conductive ? or at least 50 % transparent for solar cell electrode collector applications ?

[@dougsteere6814]

Where would I look to find the 50 % transparent sheets please new just starting to learn THANK YOU for any help

[@guiltypixel5275]

Hey for Z plane conductivity... Could you do vias like a PCB? Create holes which share a common surface? The hole could be small enough to prevent viscous fluid transfer or filled after bonding, or even sized to be used for capillary action on purpose.

[@stevem153]

Good idea. It needs looking into.

[@konobikundude]

There's ACF (Anisotropic conductive film) available, which is used commonly in mobile device manufacturing

[@benthere8051]

A folded tab might work without adding a process step.

[@Quarmification]

Why not try using polypyrrole? Easy to coat almost anything with it, very low resistance and extremely cheap.

[@TechInventorAman]

how do i coat that plastic sheet with graphene ??

[@gristlevonraben]

I may have another way to make thin graphene plates. I was watching a guy freezing bubbles. As they were tore open after freezing, i was thinking to myself, those frozen bubble films must be the thinnest films on Earth. Then i though of graphene, then I thought of Robert Murray. What if you made graphene bubble sheets that were flat? When they dried, they'd be extremely thin in the middle.

[@gregshafransky1907]

What type of plastic are you using? and is that a huge stack of jute by the rolling door or glass insulation (asking for a friend)

[@MrMassivefavour]

Efficient heating systems are going to be big in the electric car world as traditional heating systems are going to need to much power draw from the battery. Maybe embedded under feet or on the seat, in the steering wheel under the dash, in the roof head lining in the door cards?

[@stevem153]

An resistive heating is extremely efficient, approaching 100% I think.

[@Buzzhumma]

MrMassivefavour yeah it’s far better to heat the person than the air around them but in cars they use the heat exchanger from the battery cooling system as well!

[@orcoastgreenman]

One could probably also use heat produced by the work of the electric motors, currently cooled by air flowing under the vehicle, I presume... if one used a liquid coolant loop like a car’s radiator, with an internal “heater core” with fan for interior climate control

[@NeoShameMan]

Oh wait! Better can this be used to make microchip? Though we still don't have a transistor replacement.

[@AdricM]

What about using a laser printer to transfer graphene oxide onto transparency film?

[@verfugbarkite]

Can this stuff heated and shaped? how thick is it? What's it mohs hardness? I've absolutely no chemistry background and can barely make custard, so excuse the simple questions.

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

it's PET so it is going to respond in pretty much the same way - you would have to be careful of the coated surface but that's about it - so vacuum moulding would probably be good

[@verfugbarkite]

@@ThinkingandTinkering okay ta. The link wasn't working to order/price list.

[@Barskor1]

So do both sides and you get a capacitor right?

[@ethancavill]

What are your thoughts on the latest Tesla acquisition of Maxwell batteries? If you haven't seen it have a look and let me know - apparently they can get 300-500Wh-kg edit: Using supercapacitors too

[@patscopat]

Brilliant, you guys keep me amazed and you explain it so I can understand it. Thank you for your video's.

[@TheHomeloanking]

Could you use this to make solar panels or better still ion conductor's?

[@stevem153]

Hi Josh. I have around 7-8 applications in mind, including solar. I'll include a video for each after experimentation.

[@TheHomeloanking]

@@stevem153 looking forward to it brother. Cheers

[@TrentTationnaiseXization]

The world could really use an easy and effective DIY solar cell option.

[@darrenstyle4283]

Can you turn it into a spool for 3d printing?

[@colleenforrest7936]

Could use this as a heat bed for a 3d printer

[@stevem153]

I would say yes. Our mat runs off 24v and draws around 3-4 amps if that helps.

[@markhodgson2348]

I like your thinking, when I'm at work I will get hold of some

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

cool mate

[@strongforce8466]

Wow awesome material ! Love the silverish graphite color..this is gonna be a super interesting series 😎, can't wait to hear more about the ways it can gather energy, from wifi ?! So cool...

[@SaintTrinianz]

Exciting stuff, looking forward to more!

[@onemanriflemaker3873]

I really need to come up and see you. Robert knows why.

[@mukundsrinivas8426]

Wow. Like this you can actually alloy different metals to reduce corrosion I think..

[@duoair1]

I like to know about a ware factor on the material

[@zylascope]

Thanks Steve, that's really cool.

[@Buzzhumma]

I recently was creating a vacuum mould of a hammers head and I thought how easy it would be to make an electroplated part using conductive paint . I do wonder if it would be cost effective in some industries to electro plate some parts ? But with industrial 3D metal printers I wonder where it’s place would be . ...actually that might be a great video for you guys ! You can use milk bottles as well 😂

[@MichaelSkinner-e9j]

Has anyone made a capacitive screen like this?

[@krap101]

Is this much different than Rob's transparent solar cell?

[@ytSuns26]

Electrostatic speakers ?

[@paulwedlock9788]

Could this be formed into clothing? As a reduction of the harmful effects on people can be reduced for better & longer lives. Their is also the conductor strip plating for a multiple array of circuit applications. Including PV panels for multiple wavelengths :-)

[@mattphorwich]

Electro magnificent!!God bless the multiverse universes within universes Omniverse!

[@Hack_Life.Everyday]

please keep up the great work!

[@new_carbon_energy]

Hi Steve I can see many applications. Mate, I wish I could join you guys permanently at FWG!!!! Anton Jordaan

[@stevem153]

Hi Anton. It would be good to see you again. Come over soon.

[@sconnz]

Have you tested out some sort of carbon fiber?

[@stevem153]

Not yet Jono, just 2D powders.

[@davelowe1977]

Very interesting!

[@robertjenkins5440]

Can you do this to thin sheets of paper or cloth also...I have something I want to try...

[@clickbaitnumberone1403]

great one

[@davidhilton7780]

Who is this Rob ? I do not belive we have met...

[@scotttovey]

Practical questions: Does your material work as an electro-magnet? Obviously, if you copper plate it, you have electro-magnetic properties, but does it work as an electro-magnet without plating? Theoretical questions: If you can add rectifiers to convert an Electro Magnetic Pulse to useful electricity, would you get useful electricity if you tuned it to block cosmic rays? If so, would that give you a 24/7 generation of electricity given that cosmic rays are not dependent on the sun? Don't mind my theoretical questions, if I had money to do R&D, I'd probably be an evil mad scientist called the brain with a side kick named pinky. 😉

[@hirnlager]

thx

[@overbuiltautomotive1299]

good stuff

[@barrybretz6073]

Balloons that light up.

[@ericlinz4626]

*Would this be able to block 5G waves?* I know that 5G will be from above from 20,000 satellites. The wavelength is very short at about one millimeter. Focused like a laser beam 5G will be targeted using GPS.

[@stevem153]

I'm aiming at the microwave range first and hoping to demonstrate blocking of cell phone signals. If we can do that, we should be able to tune it do the same for millimetre wave lengths.

[@greenthizzle4]

Steve M 5G signal is near microwave frequency.. the wavelength is so short they have to have emitters every 500 feet(150 meters)

[@greenthizzle4]

Steve M they basically are going to have multiple emitters on every street.. it's gonna be bad I think

[@ericlinz4626]

@@greenthizzle4 And don't forget the major hubs will be those 20,000 satellites they are putting into orbit just now. Those beams will be focused like a laser onto precision targets based on GPS location, but will still hit anything within a radius of the target. So you would need this protection in the walls as well as the ceiling. A great product if it can catch these 5G waves. They could get rich on this as well as the battery projects. ----------- One last thing... Research "Cape Cod Radar" because they have found that millimeter length radar can penetrate walls and *see inside* due to some odd effects of the wavelength. 5G will be like X-ray vision... the perfect spy tool.

[@greenthizzle4]

Eric Linz our cellphones already have Wi-Fi in them, with multiple in a house and if you also have routers they can perfectly map your house if they want

[@engizmo]

25.4 microns to the mm ? don't you mean 1000 microns to the mm?

[@stevem153]

25.4 microns to the Mil

[@engizmo]

@@stevem153 thanks for the clarification. Imperial measurements do it again :)

[@stevemacbr]

engizmo - The MIL,... is a (U$A -imperial) standard still used in the coil-winding industry and relative to Standard Wire Gauge. . A MIL - is classed as a THOUSANDTH OF AN INCH (UK engineering) not a millimeter,... there being 39.74 thousandths of an inch to one millimeter, & 25.4 millimeters to the (imperial) inch. .

[@c6corporation513]

Are you currently looking for a supplier of graphene?

[@jcwdenton]

I would saturate it with 10kV and see if it flies :3

[@barrybretz6073]

Spark plug wires

[@markwilliams5654]

Kapton tape

[@markhodgson2348]

Electronics component bags

[@wyvvernstone]

Everyone here is smarter than me. I'm home.

[@besenyeim]

Without understanding what's going on, now I want to pour graphene powder, in place of the toner, into a laser printer. ... I don't have graphene. ... Nor a laser printer I'm ready to sacrifice.

[@orcoastgreenman]

Laser printer toner has plastic powder in it too, that being what actually bonds/fuses the material to the paper, I believe. Would be a fun experiment for sure!

[@joyyan866]

Look at the graphene structure, 6 points, 6 lines, and many of these sixes. That's the mark of the beast 666. Also what can cause pain (Revelation 16:10) and “a noisome and grievous sore” (Revelation 16:2)? Only something medicinal can cause these. Not a chip implant. Also human body is 18% carbon. So therefore "a man's number" is also 666. (Revelation 13:18）“The sun shall be turned into darkness, And the moon into blood, Before that great and notable Day of the Lord come: And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.” --Acts‬ ‭2:20-21‬

[@ronmartin7253]

Myths vs science. Memorize its poetry