elementary OS 8 released, FreeCAD hits major milestone, Kernel Drama Revisited & more Linux news

[@nex7053]

Dude 1.0 took so long because there were fundamental issues which had to be solved first . GUI was absolutely terrible and got polished just before release, there was toponaming issue which was nightmare for many many years. They wanted to have freecad called 1.0 at the time when it would be at least competitive with commercial CAD products and I have to admit they did just that. This project is awesome and finally in state where even new user to cad software can pick it up and learn. Most of weirdness and quirks are just gone.

[@brandonlewis2599]

Agreed. Don't underestimate the severity of that toponaming problem.

[@thingsiplay]

FLTK I recently started doing simple GUIs in Rust. And FLTK is a perfect fit to me. It's relatively simple, small and compiles into self contained no dependency binary. I'm still new.

[@SirChristoferus]

Linux development is looking very impressive lately. I recently tested an Arch Linux iso on a cutting-edge X870E motherboard, and it detected both the Wi-Fi 7/Bluetooth 5.4 antenna and the 5G Realtek Ethernet connection. I suspect that this level of compatibility will be mainstream by the time Debian 13, Ubuntu 25.04, and their derivatives are released in the coming year.

[@razorgarf]

Hmm I just tried a Linux distro and it's still a big chore for a normal user

[@michael_tunnell]

@razorgarf which distro did you try? and what exactly gave you that opinion?

[@michael_tunnell]

@SirChristoferus I agree that Linux gets better all the time and very cool to see that info on your tests. If that result is from the latest Kernel then Ubuntu will get it around 25.04 for sure. Debian is hit or miss most of the time which is why I dont recommend it to most people.

[@otockian]

@@razorgarf its never going to be a hand holding OS, so those users are probably best sticking with heavy hand holding platforms like Apple tbh.

[@DavideDavini]

@@otockianI don’t mate, Ubuntu is pretty fool proof to install and even more so to use. My uncle and my mother used to use it without issue. They don’t know squat about computers.

[@priit7777]

5:00 if you can ask this "single pixel color" 1920x1080 (or whatever resolution you have) times without permission, you get the entire screenshot without permission.

[@michael_tunnell]

I was thinking about a different application of that portal entirely without considering the color picker aspect of it and yea that’s trivial to manipulate. I retract my statement and defend myself solely on the basis of recording a show for almost 3 hours and covering too many topics in too much detail as quickly as possible before I left for Thanksgiving holiday … yes, I’m about to say something that is a cardinal sin of online communication … I was wrong

[@PaxAlotin]

The biggest factor driving the take up of Linux - is Windows 11. Gotta hand it to Microsoft - they sure know how to alienate their users ----

[@CristianMolina]

Pixel permission access, of course. If you can read a pixel, you can repeat it until generating a shot of a portion/total screen.

[@michael_tunnell]

There already is a screen capture permission, a single pixel permission wouldnt be expandable otherwise it wouldnt be a single pixel permission. We are just speculating though because we dont know how this is implemented right now but I would doubt that it could be expanded. Though I also wouldnt expect them to release an ISO that is not bootable.

[@KelvinShadewing]

@@michael_tunnell A single or a few pixels can be enough for hardware fingerprinting though.

[@michael_tunnell]

@KelvinShadewing interesting, how would a single pixel be used for hardware fingerprinting?

[@levo75]

​@@michael_tunnellat the speeds computers work, it's child's play to generate whole screenshots.

[@michael_tunnell]

To @ChristianMolina and @levo75, I was thinking about a different application of that portal entirely without considering the color picker aspect of it and yea that’s trivial to manipulate. I retract my statement and defend myself solely on the basis of recording a show for almost 3 hours and covering too many topics in too much detail as quickly as possible before I left for Thanksgiving holiday … yes, I’m about to say something that is a cardinal sin of online communication … I was wrong @KelvinShadewing, I’m still curious how that could help with hardware fingerprinting

[@flyofthefirefly]

30:50 - publicly ridiculing people for something bad is right too though. It gives one a memory of a situation and motivation to get better. Else we get "toxic positivity" driven concord. Some times shots have to be fired.

[@jktolford8272]

Public ridicule is not necessary for debate or correction. There are other ways to avoid " 'toxic positivity' driven concord. "

[@UltimatePerfection]

I love playing with FreeCAD. Glad it's free and I love designing stuff even if I never get to actually make them (as I can't afford a 3D printer, not even Ender, lmao).

[@-iIIiiiiiIiiiiIIIiiIi-]

Elementary OS deserves respect for its commitment to encouraging users to financially support developers. Their approach to sustainability in open-source software is commendable and highlights an important issue in the community. However, I don't like that they choose to go it alone rather than collaborating with existing projects that are tackling similar challenges. This independent approach can lead to duplication of effort when pooling resources could be more beneficial for everyone involved. While their focus on creating a unique user experience is admirable, it might be worth considering how collaboration with other projects could enhance their development and ultimately benefit the users.

[@michael_tunnell]

They were the first distro to implement something like this for financial incentive to devs and I think might be the only one still. What projects are you referring to that they could collaborate with?

[@pcallycat9043]

11:12 you can actually reload a running kernel, it’s just disabled by default because it’s a security issue :)

[@michael_tunnell]

@pcallycat9043 just because you can do something doesnt mean you should :D lol

[@pcallycat9043]

@@michael_tunnell 100% =)

[@TrustJesusToday]

Back in 2023, I think I gave elementary a try and could not get it to install. Since there were so many distros available to me during my first year in Linux, I moved on. I am so glad I found distros that work so well and I did embrace an arch-based distro. Thank you for your Linux programming. BTW Hyprland is at 0.45.2. I have been using it for six months and it seems like Hyprland 1.0 to me.

[@The.Original.Mr.X]

Anger vs being dismissive. Thats right, if a person is angry about an issue, they care about it. Caring about it means they will talk about it. Possibly altering their opinion as a result of the discussion. Dismissive behaviour tends to show that someone no longer cares, so engaging them in conversation is probably futile.

[@michael_tunnell]

interesting and thanks for commenting that, that makes sense

[@mark8200]

Thank you free cad team

[@thingsiplay]

Which of them? :D

[@thingsiplay]

22:50 FreeCAD "product" The way I interpret this message from them is, this is not "just" a product. They do not work to just create a product, they create a masterpiece, they pour every passion and knowledge into it. Sure its a product of their efforts, but I think this is the message they were trying to convey. Similar to when you say your wive is not just a human, she is your wive. Off course she is a human, but its not just that. I hope my weird analogy helped making my point. :D

[@michael_tunnell]

I think there is some element to that being accurate but also the not a product messaging is just not a good way to say. All they would have to say is “not just a product” and then it would be OK but saying that it’s not a product implies more

[@waynebickell1793]

I took a look at EOS 8.x but i don't like the buttons on the left and I couldn't figure out how to use my favourite mouse pointer. I'm left-handed and staring at a right-handed pointer gives me a headache! Literally! I have the Kisak PPA installed so already have the latest Mesa/Vulkan. I don't game though so cannot attest to the performance.

[@jktolford8272]

Sounds like basic accessibility issues that should be brought to their attention. Really.

[@donaldc3884]

Im glad you mentioned FreeCAD, unfortunately my uncle uses Fusion360 and I CANNOT get that damn thing to work in linux! Will someone work on this please? :) That would be easier than getting my uncle to switch to FreeCAD.

[@UltimatePerfection]

You could make a Windows VM for Fusion, but your best bet would be make your uncle switch to FreeCAD at the same time.

[@michael_tunnell]

I dont know much about this but Onshape apparently supports Linux if he wants a more professional type of CAD software

[@Sammus7t]

I switched back to FreeCAD from F360 once RealThunder's branch was reliable enough. IMO, FreeCAD's workflow is actually becoming the better of the two. It's come a long way in the past few years. F360 will run in a VM, but you won't get native performance. That was the best compromise for F360 in Linux before I fully switched over. Some people have luck running F360 with Lutris and Bottles.

[@WaltFrampusFrye]

Couldn't get elementary to boot after installing on several computers. Noticed a lot of people have the same issue. Doesn't actually seem ready for release...

[@michael_tunnell]

I had the same experience. I mentioned that at the end of the segment but yea its not a good sign.

[@StephenMcGregor1986]

BoeingOS

[@meh.7539]

"Accessibility" vs "Inclusivity" makes more sense to me as well, in this context. Unless they're referring to something I'm not picking up on.

[@caninedrill_instructor5861]

Mr. Tunnell, A blind computer user that wants to activate the TTS engine ( read Orca ) wouldn't be relying on the mouse to activate it. They'd be using keyboard commands. At least, that's my understanding from the interactions I've had with friends that used JAWS ( Jobs Access With Speech ) in the Windows world, and Voiceover ( The TTS engine that's built into the kernel in the Apple OS ) in the Apple world. So, it would make more sense for Orca to be able to be activated with keyboard commands.

[@michael_tunnell]

Completely agreed, I just meant in the sense of having it off the shortcut didn’t work for some reason but yea you are right, that would be vastly better

[@DePhoegonIsle]

Ya, the reason listed for being 'suspended' was he didn't appologize hard enough PUBLICALLY, and frankly that 'heated' is soooo average tuesday for the LKML it's insane.

[@michael_tunnell]

The CoC was implemented because the LKML used to be horrendous including Linus himself telling someone they should be “retroactively aborted” … it’s much better these days and this is why and it’s a good thing to have a CoC. Also he apparently refused to apologize publicly when he was happy to throw insults publicly. I agree no one should get to be a jerk publicly and privately apologize. If you take it public then the apology should also be public.

[@moussaadem7933]

4:45 an app could just capture the entire screen by reading it pixel by pixel. defeating the security of Wayland

[@michael_tunnell]

That requires this permission to be expandable or that it could be called repeatedly or that someone could choose which pixel is displayed. We dont know how this permission works exactly and if this is isolated to one call per session, and only one pixel, and only the center pixel in the middle of the desktop, then any "defeating the security" is not possible. Obviously this needs more info as it is pure speculation at the moment but this concern is easily mitigated.

[@moussaadem7933]

@michael_tunnel I am sorry but that makes no sense. if a platform provides an API for accessing a pixel it must allow repeated and arbitrary access to pixels. it's not reasonable to allow picking one time per session. nobody expects to be allowed to use a picker only once, similarly it's not reasonable to not allow the user to pick whatever arbitrary pixel they want. this is really is inarguable. given these two inarguable requirements, you can either allow the app to do these without any user intervention, or you can force the app to use a portal. the former risks allowing apps to capture the entire screen without user intervention. and the latter prevents it. your suggestion to just allow the person to choose a pixel also doesn't make sense because that's already what the portal does

[@michael_tunnell]

You’re saying that my comment “makes no sense”! How dare you! … you’re right yes but still how dare you lol I was thinking about a different application of that portal entirely without considering the color picker aspect of it and yea that’s trivial to manipulate. I retract my statement and defend myself solely on the basis of recording a show for almost 3 hours and covering too many topics in too much detail as quickly as possible before I left for Thanksgiving holiday … yes, I’m about to say something that is a cardinal sin of online communication … I was wrong

[@Bob-of-Zoid]

I believe they didn't say because of the new Ondsel solver, just that the Assembly workbench uses it, and Ondsel was (is no more for FreeCAD) a company that used it and wanted better control, so they developed an Improved interface that had easier to tell apart Icons, different keyboard shortcuts, and some other changes to the many pages of dimensions and what not where you can just pick a line or surface... and directly type in changes in dimensions, and it will adjust the drawing to it rather than having to draw to the dimensions or stretch them for being difficult to adjust with a mouse, as some things in machining and all can be only a few thousandths of an inch, still not sure what the solver is other than it solves something obviously. When they decided to no longer keep developing them though handed most of it to the FreeCAD folk to integrate, and is now in V1.o. I don't think the developer of the Assembly workbench worked for Ondsel though but rather they integrated it fo improving it too, but I may partially be wrong on that. The wild thing though that if you typed in FreeCAD in a package manager Ondsell didn't show up, and I myself found it quite by accident, I think in trying to find out what freaking flavor of FreeCAD did what and what were addons, and what were versions of FreeCAD with added features and why it all was so freaking confusing, and Ondsel was just called Ondsel but did come with a better description, so I installed it, and started learning it again for like the tenth time (stuff not working bugs...) and it worked much better than any I had tried before, but as soon as I went to their site to see if there were plugins or something I saw the "Ondsel is no longer... use FreeCAD 1,0..." and I said: You got to be kidding, but did, and it was so close to Ondsel I was a happy camper, and now I can actually use it without wanting to chew my own leg off!😁 It's getting better fast, and always has for the most part for the last 3 to 6 years now, and so we have another software type Linux never had a version a pro would even touch with a 20' pole, but now is close to rivaling other commercial made for Windon't only software,🤬and some even prefer it, just like Inkscape and Blender! Yippeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!! 🥳🐧🥳🐧🥳🐧🥳🐧🥳🐧

[@Priimerra]

Very good indepth video. You made your research.

[@riufq]

18:56 22 years?!?! Wow

[@dlbrooks2658]

location service with starlink connection does not work

[@JTCPingas]

When I was daily driving Fedora, I became accustomed to Gnome Software offline updates. I prefer this safer method of system updates so I'm glad Elementary is doing this by default.

[@raimg1816]

Linus is basically the king of being mean, and it looks like the team picked up that vibe too. Honestly, though, people these days are way too sensitive. Where I work, Kent’s comments would be considered a motivational speech. Our environment? Imagine Gordon Ramsay having a bad day, but without the fancy food or Michelin stars. Oh, and FreeCAD? It’s come a long way. May take learning curve and break up with Autodesk .... Last thing why i still have Windows at work ...

[@midimax2998]

"break up with Autodesk" As someone that professional works with technical 3D design every day using Autodesk Inventor. Simply no, not ready for work. That is IMO more or less the same like GIMP can (not) replace Photoshop. Replacing Fusion 360 that I would consider rater a toy from my experience as how "complicated" some tasks are compared to Inventor (at least for the stuff I have to do), maybe but only if FreeCAD got significant better since I last tried it at home half a year ago..

[@michael_tunnell]

what are your thoughts (both of you) of Onshape to replace Autodesk? Onshape has Linux support

[@Winnetou17]

@@midimax2998 Out of curiosity, have you checked this 1.0 version ? Apparently they did improve the GUI a lot.

[@michael_tunnell]

Linus was a bad example for sure but he's really the reason the CoC was implemented. It is totally fine for the CoC to exist in my opinion because they did it from the top down not some random complainer. I dont think it is being too sensitive because the mailing list is publicly accessible and used by tons of organizations and projects to the point that being professional is important these days. When it was a hobby project it was fine but at some point professionalism is more and more expected I think

[@raimg1816]

@@michael_tunnell If I’m not mistaken, Onshape doesn’t work offline, which can be a dealbreaker for users who frequently work without reliable internet access. While the cloud-based approach offers benefits like real-time collaboration and seamless updates, the lack of offline functionality is a significant limitation. For example, my factory is located near the port at the edge of the city, where the only internet option is a mobile network router with poor speeds. I’m not sure how feasible it would be to use a program that depends entirely on the cloud in such conditions

[@Patterner]

yeah, "diverse" is always such a sign of quality

[@michael_tunnell]

the inclusiveness of this was about making it easier for blind people... but also diversity isnt a bad thing but sure just like anything people sometimes take things too far.

[@jeandutoit1413]

​@@michael_tunnellUnity is strength, diversity is confusion and strife.

[@sallysbananenrepublik3740]

@@michael_tunnell Nah the lgbtqia bs is juast annoying and an excuse for poor quality most of the time, but the feature for blind people is nice.

[@lorenzo42p]

it's a marketing failure

[@michael_tunnell]

@jeandutoit1413 Diversity is not confusion and strife, it’s a powerful tool if used properly. Diversity of ideas is outstanding because it allows for greater innovation but of course people take things too far and attach needless things to terms. The whole anti DEI movement is implying that all DEI efforts are bad but trying to do outreach to various untapped demographics is just one of the ways to do it and that’s not a bad thing. Just like anything sometimes people go too far. In my opinion, I understand why people are tired of these kinds of things but DEI and diversity are different things and also DEI isn’t a binary bad. It’s the whole “a few bad apples spoil the whole bunch” kind of thing.

[@TheRob2D]

Ondsel was a breath of fresh air and very much needed. FreeCAD was and largely still is horrific to use in any real work environment. The Ondsel devs knew this and took some needed steps to push things forward. RrealThunder also deserves a shoutout for his great work. The core FreeCAD devs seem to no interest in ever making the thing usuable. The only reason 1.0 happened was because Ondsel got brought in.

[@seancondon5572]

27:22 - yeah, that bothers me, too. You get a whole buncha boomers on FB saying they got "a 3-day ban" for posting something some random idiot found objectionable. It's like they don't understand, a BAN is indefinite, a SUSPENSION has a time frame attached. It's like the difference between being suspended from school for defending yourself (yep, happened to me) and being expelled for... whatever you get expelled for. I think vandalism, theft, assault, and possession or use of weapons fall in that category.

[@cobanzoso1472]

Love the FreeCAD news !

[@OtakuGenx]

I hate the restart required because it says system but can include other things. For instance Signal recommends installing via a deb package. Then if it updates your system wants to restart the computer and not just the app. Or why do I have to restart for a gir1.2-menu update? Logout and log back in. Or Handbrake (Yes there is a flatpak for Handbrake but I had issues with it not seeing my optical drives so I use the deb one). I should not have uptimes in the days to a week maybe 2. It is really frustrating as I run with lots of privacy settings and apps so there are relogins all over the place.

[@mysterium364]

Bad take for the FreeCad 1.0 release. Topological Naming problem is such a big issue that the vast majority of engineers would rather pay thousands of dollars on commercial products than even try out FreeCad. I am not an engineer, but I worked with modern 3d cad in an engineering department and got pretty proficient with the software, and I would agree with the vast majority of engineers that it is a breaking issue. Now that it is resolved, I am elated and can't wait to try out the software. Thank you for sharing the good news.

[@michael_tunnell]

I don’t think I had any take other than the 1.0 part and imo version numbers are arbitrary. They used it as milestone of feature complete and that’s fine but I don’t think it’s a bad thing to have arbitrary version numbers because 99% of the time they are just arbitrary like Firefox 133 or Linux 6.12

[@swapnilkanyal]

the only fltk application i know is thonny a basic python ide

[@nocontabanconmiastucia939]

Regarding FLTK, Nowadays, If you have to choose a multiplatform , lightweight gui framework, will one will you choose?

[@michael_tunnell]

for me it depends, I'd probably go with Qt or maybe Slint for Rust

[@dod_ytent9984]

Bringing all ur marketting knowledge i see😂😂😂😂. Love ur videos Mike, keep at em.

[@michael_tunnell]

well I like to provide info where it might be helpful and for some projects ... yea they need a marketer lol

[@Grant_S_M]

Retro websites are the bomb!

[@michael_tunnell]

it does look like something exploded on that website resulting in that lol

[@Grant_S_M]

@@michael_tunnell

[@Winnetou17]

@@michael_tunnell To be frank, I don't mind some websites looking old, as long as they're decently functionable. And that FLTK website totally is very usable.

[@michael_tunnell]

I dont care that it looks retro or old but to call the toolkit modern while also having that website and having those screenshots... this is why its funny. All they have to do is embrace the retro and its fine but to call itself modern and also be looking like that. .. . nah bruh

[@Winnetou17]

@@michael_tunnell Yeah, true, they totally cannot call that modern-looking, lol. I was just referring to remaking the website part :))

[@yusky03]

I have been trying to use FreeCAD full-time for years now and Fusion 360 is the only reason I use Windows anymore. FreeCAD was absolutely not ready for 1.0 and I'm skeptical whether it is still. Last time I tried it, which was maybe a year ago, I couldn't even open large step files without it locking up the entire desktop for all eternity. Top naming problem was a major problem and it absolutely justifies not having a 1.0. The other free CAD started a few years ago when a developer was trying to get things merged and The official free CAD developers wouldn't allow any of it their merges. So they ended up forking the project, fixing the top naming problem, and probably a hundred other things. And then that's when the official free CAD developers finally started getting their butt in gear. Unless they overhauled the GUI, then it is probably still a confusing, unintuitive, thing straight out of 2003.

[@tomislavruzicic3955]

True... It was beta last year when I last time used it... Well, probably I should download this 1.0 version and try it...

[@fuseteam]

uh ctrl+ ctrl- are standard zooming shortcuts tho

[@michael_tunnell]

They aren’t though, CTRL + - and CTRL + = are standard because equals (=) is the default of that key, plus (+) requires shift to be added. Well on English based keyboards anyway

[@fuseteam]

@@michael_tunnell huh today i learn both ctrl= and ctrl+ zooms in on firefox-

[@michael_tunnell]

In KDE Plasma, you can zoom in on everything at the desktop level with Super + - and Super + = 😎👍

[@fuseteam]

@@michael_tunnell oh dang

[@michael_tunnell]

and thats only 1 of the 17 cool things I talked about for KDE in this video kzbin.info/www/bejne/sJmzeqp8eJmkfNU :D

[@htx80nerd]

5:35 people are so in love with the idea of Wayland but myself and many others have run into problems with it. X11 is working fine, except in the minds of Linux Commentators. It feels like people are trying to force wayland. IDK why they think that's a good idea, or will work.

[@michael_tunnell]

with the Linux Commentators thing, are you referring to me? I dont promote Wayland over X11 for everyone. Wayland works for some people but I had issues with my setup so I use X11 most of the time so I am curious why you might think that of me? I do say that Wayland in coming and is inevitable because we have no choice, it is happening but that's because it is the planned replacement.

[@truko22]

Muchas gracias por las noticias

[@SimonJackson13]

I suppose modern tools kit all have essence of animated grey rectangles with js and css?

[@htx80nerd]

31:00 Linus has earned the right to be rude with people who write bad code

[@michael_tunnell]

Agreed, but also there is no need to be rude and especially not to be the savage way he used to be with it lol

[@Bob-of-Zoid]

Hi penguin master! I believe "The Other FeeCAD" I believe was a fork based on each new version of FreeCAD, with the addition of the "assembly workbench" made by someone else, and more like just a repackaged version with the added workbench, and I f I understood it right there were more like 3 "other FreeCAD's!!" if I remember correctly! Not sure if there was some beef between the team and other developers wanting their installable as add on workbenches integrated but the FreeCAD developers were not willing For bug issues or something, but trying to decipher the many versions in package managers was a real bitch, because the descriptions were very insufficient to be of any use, as with way too many Linux software's, and unless you used it long enough to know what all did what, it was a ball of confusion! Oh, and thanks for pointing out ll their gooffballerie!😁

[@3DCharacterArt]

I think the other "FreeCAD" might have been a reference to Fusion 360 free with a 10 file save limit.

[@igorthelight]

0:03 - ElementaryOS 8.4? xD

[@michael_tunnell]

lol what? how did that happen . . . hmm

[@igorthelight]

@@michael_tunnell Someone assumed direct control of you xD

[@michael_tunnell]

yea and apparently only for about half a second lol

[@pseudonymity0000]

With the CoC. You brushed over the main problem. He you already apologise and they both worked things out months ago. They then added a rule about public apologys Being mandatory and then tried to retroactively apply it. Things were settled. Then the CoC popped up wanting him to go through a public struggle session. Forced public apologies are always just a power flex and shaming tool, because everyone sees them as hollow. The only point is humiliation.

[@pcallycat9043]

Wayland has a shot ton of issues, and can’t be the ‘standard’ until it works for more use cases than reading email in your browser. Too many edge case bugs (silly shit like putting the built in display of a laptop to the right of an external plugged in monitor destroying performance) prevent it from being useful for everyone. It will come, but it’s got a ways to go and Wayland refuses to move quickly in anyway

[@Winnetou17]

Frankly, if they're careful to do it right, I'm ok with slow implementation and their approach of "discuss and debate everything". The problem is the ones treating it as ready cough Fedora cough when it is not.

[@pcallycat9043]

@@Winnetou17 Agreed. Though, we also seem to have a gatekeeping problem. Just a few people have been able to stall progress completely just because they 'know better than everyone else' or just flat refuse to accept requests and feedback on needed features or prioritizatin. Honestly, i'm also ok with that. The real issue we are running into I think is that marketing and the push on public opinion has been too successful. They've managed to convince too many people that wayland is better than X11... when wayland simply lacks the features and polish needed to be viable to a wider audience... Which is leading to things like non-standard protocols being implemented by developers who work on compositors rather than bashing their heads against the frustration that is trying to get a protocol standardized.

[@Winnetou17]

@@pcallycat9043 Agreed. Oh well, in a year or so it might be decently done for most usecases. Until I get a new laptop I won't try it anyway.

[@pcallycat9043]

@@Winnetou17 I'm hoping, but, honestly have been hoping since 2012 when wayland hit 1.0 and was supposedly ready to replace x11.

[@KoopstaKlicca]

​​​@@Winnetou17Fedora doesn't treat Wayland "as ready" in the sense that it's perfect. That has never been their principles. They are meant to lead innovation. They treat Wayland like it's good enough for most people (it is) and that it's time to put pressure on it and expose the flaws

[@htx80nerd]

39:38 some people prefer older web site styles

[@mitchellpayne3674]

Why is "monochromatic friendliness" important when making a logo? Just curious. :)

[@michael_tunnell]

it is a sign of good design because the smaller an icon can be and still be recognizable is important because it will be used for reference on all kinds of things. For example, the favicon of a website in the browser tab is a very small icon and the more complicated it is then the harder it is to see. If an icon is not good in monochrome then some uses of it will not work such as printing in a newspaper that only wants to put black text. In this show the icons I display are all white monochrome and if a logo is not possible without a lot of effort then I dont even cover it in the intro. If an icon works as a single color then that means the design was done in a way that it is still identifiable regardless of application

[@mitchellpayne3674]

@@michael_tunnell I was not aware of that. Thank you! :)

[@Winnetou17]

@@mitchellpayne3674 Also, colorblind people exist, so if you make your logo right, it will look good for them too.

[@5mrd]

NixOS 24.11 Available now

[@michael_tunnell]

that is correct, this was pre-recorded before USA Thanksgiving holiday. NixOS will be featured on next episode.

[@fuseteam]

Been a while since we got a full episode xd

[@michael_tunnell]

and it will be a while for another lol this was a massive pain especially during Thanksgiving travel and all that so it took a ton of time to edit and such. I hope this style is rare lol

[@fuseteam]

@@michael_tunnell lol sounds like more fun tho xD

[@michael_tunnell]

I fell like your definition of fun is different than mine lol

[@fuseteam]

@@michael_tunnell tis the developer's definition of fun 😎

[@roberto7102]

I use wayland, security isn't my concern I just enjoy the performance

[@Joe-c1y9d]

Poor Kent cant do free work for the foundation anymore.😢

[@smolville]

Does any one have Free-Cad on a 3-D printer?

[@pfitz4881]

The Code of Conduct committee did the right thing. Dealt with the narcissist. His continued efforts to justify his actions only make him look worse. Grow up.

[@jktolford8272]

Agreed. Many in the linux, er, community seem to want to expand their numbers w/ out realizing that requires a change in culture.

[@rebeuhsin6410]

You really cannot say if a toolkit is modern without looking at the interface and code. The look is the least important, but c++ based? Probably not very modern.

[@fontenbleau]

Dictatorship personas inside the most popular open projects is a sober reality when digital life prevail above real life.

[@jktolford8272]

So . . ., Is Kent Overstreet a "Dictatorship persona"?

[@fontenbleau]

@@jktolford8272 where do sleep all month? Linus of course, everyone knows.

[@jktolford8272]

@@fontenbleau yeah, Linus. But he seems to recognize the need for evolution, perhaps because he wants his legacy to last beyond his working life. Unlike, say, Overstreet and Stallman.

[@Maxtraxv3]

that guy is correct.

[@pablosanmartinvarela1773]

Middle click should be for new instances.😂

[@michael_tunnell]

Middle click should be for closing 😂

[@pablosanmartinvarela1773]

​@@michael_tunnell hahaha Isn't guid auld Alt+F4 already for that? Or Ctrl+Q for all instances of the app? Ctrl+N is just sooo inconvenient.

[@petersilva037]

@4:40 ... If you don't ask for permission for the colour of a single pixel... bad people will just write software that asks for the colour of every pixel on your screen, one pixel at a time. sigh... then the good guys need to look at patterns, and understand when programs are looking for a "suspicious" number of pixels? ugh... horrors... so... much wasted resources ...

[@michael_tunnell]

I was thinking about a different application of that portal entirely without considering the color picker aspect of it and yea that’s trivial to manipulate. I retract my statement and defend myself solely on the basis of recording a show for almost 3 hours and covering too many topics in too much detail as quickly as possible before I left for Thanksgiving holiday … yes, I’m about to say something that is a cardinal sin of online communication … I was wrong

[@adnanalam6201]

ElementaryOS is just stuck in past, even though if used to be good.

[@Maxtraxv3]

@45:57... man this gotta be the worst episode yet, extreamly judgy person, not everything need to look like fb, reddit, you want something good, its normaly gonna look like shit, you want something bad, its gonna like like the best hign on the planet.

[@michael_tunnell]

It's kind of funny that you are calling me extremely judgy from a joke while at the same time being extremely judgy to call it the worst episode yet . . . I mean I doubt that's accurate. I'm sure I've made something worse already

[@AlexanderMikhailov629]

Hell yeah first!

[@dhlii]

Regarding the Bcachefs nonsense. I do not give a crap if Overstreet in "mean" Get rid iof these idiotic code of conduct people - they contribute no value and have no place i open source software development. If Overstreets criticism is wrong - there is a serious problem. But telling someone, if you can not contribute code that is high quality and robust - go away is perfectly fine with me. Overstreet is responsible for bcachefs. This is open source - if you think you have a better idea and Overstreet is wrong - fork the project. If you are right, your fork will prevail. Otherwise whoever pissed on you was right.

[@michael_tunnell]

Thanks for commenting on the video, appreciate people sharing their thoughts on my content. I feel like you might be under the assumption that the CoC committee is some third-party thing but that’s far from correct. There are four people on the committee, three of those people are long-term, Linux kernel developers. The other person is a legal consultant who works for the Linux Foundation. So it would be ill advised to get rid of these people.

[@prateekSpace]

bcachefs drama again 😅😅

[@Bob-of-Zoid]

I believe Kent had other prior issues with Ad hominem attacks (attacking the person, rather than the argument), and they gave him a lecture, and he said he would do better, and then some time down the road did it again... and this time he blew it! I think the man needs some anger management therapy, and a lesson in philosophical debate, the laws of logic, and the logical fallacies of which Ad hominem is one, in the deflection and shifting the focus of the argument category. And as many falsely believe arguments are attacks in and of themselves, well that's just ignorance of definitions because "I think it's not crying because it's hungry, but because your standing on it's foot! is an argument, as any valid, or invalid statement is or question or whatever, and the counter to it also, no beating in heads required, although in some cases appropriate! Science would be nowhere without argument packed debates!

[@communitycollegegenius9684]

Empowering a diverse community through inclusive design. I'M OUT. GFY DEI.

[@michael_tunnell]

I guess making the system easier to use for blind people is a problem...

[@KoopstaKlicca]

Seek help

[@imoldovan]

What is more important??? Hurt feelings or kernel development. Grow a thicker skin ffs.

[@michael_tunnell]

Both. The Linux kernel project has lost a lot of developers over the years because of attitudes and vitriol sent through the mailing list. There is not a need for personal attacks in the kernel development . . . you can even be mean about code and not mean about the person writing it and get the message across. For example, "this code is crap" vs "you write crap code". One of those can be easily overcome by just saying "yea that code is crap and you can do better than that" as expansion. People can still share a harsh opinion without flaming others.

[@The.Original.Mr.X]

​@michael_tunnell while I agree. I'm pretty sure the guy did apologise for his outburst before the CoC stepped in. Perhaps, rather than a CoC existing, the money could be spent on a code arbitration department. The argument arose because of crashing vs error handling in the kernel. Arbitration on best kernel coding practice could clarify the issue and people would be less inclined to instult or feel insulted as a result.

[@jfolz]

@@The.Original.Mr.X "I'm sorry, but you didn't agree with everything I said, so really it's mostly your fault" is not an apology.

[@Winnetou17]

@@michael_tunnell From what I got from what that Bryan showed, Kent refused to put a public apology when he already sorted out the fight with the guy he was arguing (and insulting) with. If that's the case, I side with Kent specifically for this and say that CoC did an overreach. That being said, the rant between Kent and Linus where Kent told Linus to build a filesystem and that bcachefs is both super good and stable but needs thousands of line of code patches that are VERY CRITICAL.... yeah, Kent is so so SO wrong on that one (and it had other issues too). Sooo overall Kent's forced pause is pretty warranted, but I don't agree with the reason & why & how. Though maybe I'm wrong and the CoC actually had a decent point.

[@michael_tunnell]

@The.Original.Mr.X he did a "I'm sorry things got heated" but didnt really apologize because immediately following that he also reiterated how frustrating the guy was that he was talking to originally. As for money spent on COC, there's not really any money spent on that. 3 of the 4 people on it are Kernel Developers and have been for many many years. The 4th person is a legal advisor already employed by the Linux Foundation for other things. Looks to me just additional duties if necessary but rarely needed. The argument of crashing vs error handling suggests crashing is never a good idea but thats not a open and closed case, crashing can be useful in various ways. Both of those methods are valid so theres no need for arbitration since it depends on a case by case basis which to use.