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[@MTGMuddstah]

Thanks to everyone for the feedback so far! This is all still very much a work in progress. It ultimately may not end up sticking around, but sometimes you just gotta try things out to see if they work or not.

[@shayneweyker]

I think the effects on CZ benefit from more budget/skill and more importantly a pause in speaking as the effect plays so the effect and especially any sounds with the effect don't distract from what's being said. If you can't match their budget at least give your effects time to breathe if you want to use them. That may break the normal flow and pace fans have come to expect from you.

[@quinoacowboy]

coming from a patreon of yours: I'm glad you're trying new things! one, I like the bg music in this one! I'd prefer to not have the sound effects, although the card animations were fine.

[@ErikTheRedd1]

Was not expecting that scorpion jumpscare

[@MTGMuddstah]

Keeping you on the edge of your seat!

[@maltemalte7174]

First of all, another nice game. As for the effects, I didn't mind most of the visual effects, but I also like the videos without them. However I didn't like most of the audio effects as they broke the chill atmosphere I so much adore in your videos!

[@MTGMuddstah]

I appreciate you taking the time for this feedback! It's invaluable to helping me grow and tweak the channel.

[@LordWerwath]

I agree with this sentiment. Animations were nice, but as I typically watch it on the side, the audio effects were jarring and distracted me from the primary tasks.

[@dustyherrin27]

I Wholeheartedly agree with malte....

[@Leinadtrebo]

I agree

[@silentcrow5220]

I also agree, the chill music in the background along with the enlarged cards, and always outstanding commentary are my favorite aspects of this channel.

[@ilDav984]

To be honest, I prefer the way you did the videos before, with no effects. I have always loved your videos because they are simple, clear, understandable. The video effects are confusing and the audio effects are honestly a bit annoying.

[@EtienneCitron]

Exactly. I come to this channel for the clear, straightforward narration of the game. The visual effects can be great for other channels but I think you should embrace what makes your channel unique rather than try to add elements that others channels do right. Embrace your difference, people come to your channel because they value this difference.

[@eamonworden4369]

Loved the video effects, sounds were a bit much for me. Also loved how you showed creatures attacking and the constantly changing “center card” was great

[@MTGMuddstah]

Good to know. I appreciate you taking the time for this feedback!

[@josephjelinski1489]

I did really enjoy the visualization of the stack! The animations are fine, but I think consistency will be key. Both which effects to use and keeping track of the effects. I don't think the "Tap to indicate swinging" is particularly necessary, I'd rather have an indicator of where the attacker is going. I'm interested to see how the animation will work for complex combats, which we didn't see much of this game. He did a great job! I'd be interested to see how the process evolves over time!

[@Tehnameless1]

I second removing tapping and simple indicator for where the attacker is going, adding that indicating tapping (as well as new counters, etc) removes the middle card too quickly, which gives me less time to pause and read/admire a new card. Trying new things is always welcome!

[@travislannoye8244]

The point about "consistency is key" is, well, key here. One of the best things about Muddstah's channel is the consistent quality production. I respect the desire to try things out, but I wouldn't rock the boat too much. Case in point: the sound effects and the visual sacrificing the land to Roiling Regrowth were a bit much. It was nice to see which creatures were attacking, but I'm not sure how that model would work with a larger combat.

[@obliviouslich1722]

10:45 the Mindless Automation could not be sacrifice this way. Vorinclex halves the amount of +1/+1 he would gain, and thus, he wouldn't had enough counters to sacrifice himself.

[@ramontse1606]

HE enters being 0/0 as a result of vorinclex and because of that enters and dies, i think is that. its correct?

[@gethan3189]

Good game. With respect to the effects while they aren't bad personally I'm not much of a fan albeit they would be far better without the sound which I thought was too intrusive. Personally I love the more relaxed, explanatory tone of your videos. Simplicity is no bad thing.

[@MTGMuddstah]

No offense taken and I appreciate you taking the time for this feedback!

[@gael_le_cruel]

Omg that hammer made me spill my coffee I appreciate the extra effort on the editing, but you have to make up your mind about what experience you want to provide So far, with both your voice, editing style and background music, you were going for something very relaxing - which is a great and fitting choice. With these new editing addition it feels like the rest in still on line with your previous style, but the extra sound effects makes it look like you also want an over the top and exciting experience similar to what Game Knights do. Which is also fine, just different. However having both together is pretty much offsetting, which made me strongly react to this strong hammer noise . If I would give my opinon I would tell you that sometimes less is more. Keep it chill and relaxing as you always did, I really like it that way. No need for frivolous animation or cartoon noises

[@supersaiyandio1223]

Yeah less is more coming from a paragraph 🤦🏻

[@royalfishness1]

loved the editing. Like others have said, the sound effects were a tad loud but thats an easy fix for next time

[@MTGMuddstah]

I appreciate you taking the time for this feedback! It's invaluable to helping me grow and tweak the channel.

[@Kazz1187]

I appreciate the effects. Good stuff! The first scorpion sound did make me jump a little haha

[@FirekingBarong]

I really like the new effects, the sacrifice morph was my favourite ^^ Aslong the audio ones dont disrupt the explaining of what happens its also nice

[@smotero034]

Good stuff, I like that you show cards whose effects are triggering. It really helps me out as I’m more of a mtg newbie. Thanks

[@joshofthewilds7265]

I enjoyed the visuals quite a bit! Great video, as always!

[@notveryoften]

6:26 "and cast a hammer of nazahn" *CLANK* that made me laugh a lot more than it should've

[@Spirited_skiing]

The visual effects were cool, but I felt like the audio effects broke the flow a bit

[@phyrexian_dude4645]

Agree, the time used on the audio would be better used on show better the target cards, triggers and combos.

[@tisseurdereves6414]

Absolutely love the new sound effects, definitely adds something to the narration !

[@BobbyBev95]

I liked the editing overall, I thought it was a nice addition! The way the cards would shift and turn, the way it showed the stack, and the other effects all worked well. And I liked this music choice for the background music as well!

[@KingNigelicus]

I've always loved shirei so seeing more recent plays with it makes me happy. Love the vids!

[@iHateSocialHierarchy]

Yeah, but ol' Colin was getting a little chummy with his draws after daddy clex hit the field. He shouldn't have been able to continue to draw with the automaton, because Clex daddy would have only put 1 counter on automaton, which requires 2 to be removed in order to draw. The table wasn't paying attention to the board. Edit: My mistake, instrument of bards puts to hand, not battlefield, dunno why i'd expect a 4 mana ability that's a jank version of Yisan's to be just as good as Yisan's, silly me.

[@gobenku1464]

This had to be my personal favorite MTG video I've yet seen; I loved watching all of these decks do their thing. I'll definitely be looking into Madison and Colin's commanders!

[@righteousoctopus5837]

I think the thoroughness of showing what each card was doing was very good. I liked that even if a card had been previously shown to trigger every turn it was still displayed just because it helps to remember what exactly they do if it's a card you're not familiar with. The sound effects seemed too loud comparative to the dialogue but could be fine if they were just quieter

[@Curbie2371]

I love the way you’re trying new things. I personally like the sound effects.

[@didupaytheone2678]

Thanks everyone here for some powerful magic ..keep up the good work ..

[@loganclelland2242]

I quite enjoyed the effects, especially the audio ones. I was not expecting them, and I think they add an interesting touch to the videos

[@Narwhals-52]

I like the more simple effects, not a huge fan of the water animation, blood spats, but the simple tapping and card going to graveyard were good. Didn't like the sound effects

[@MTGMuddstah]

Great! This is fantastic feedback. Thank you!

[@caseywellington4761]

@@MTGMuddstah your channel is very different from Game Knights, and I hope you never feel pressured to try to copy them. I like the distinctive style you have.

[@MTGMuddstah]

@@caseywellington4761 I appreciate that. This was honestly just something that Chris the editor proposed and sounded cool. I think he did a great job, but if viewers prefer the old style, I'm also happy to stick with that. Sometimes you just have to break a few eggs to make an omelet!

[@dillpickle694]

I appreciate the effect put into the effects, and particularly like the tapping animation! The other animations like when a card brings a card back from the graveyard and others like it. The sound effects feel weird when only listening to the episode. Still was a good game.

[@davidbonin1614]

Loved to see the Shirei deck. Also just wanted to appreciate your nice adding of animations

[@razorskatermax35]

Hey great video and the editor is great just has to flesh out the best transitions! Great work everyone involved!

[@johnvanzandt8208]

I enjoyed some of the effects. The sound effects, like many others have said, throw off the flow for this channel.

[@MTGMuddstah]

Appreciate the feedback! Thanks

[@caseywellington4761]

The attack (tap) animation is so nice! I'm not sure if I like the rest, but that part makes the game so much easier to follow!

[@FoolxxXXXXX]

Hey, just want to add my 2 cent: love the new addition of effects, but only the visuals. Maybe a bit smaller, but absolutly great addition!

[@NechBSG]

Awsome animations. The tapping of cards not needed and the sound effects. Also loved the stack animations.

[@michaelatbarnett]

Liked the effects and the tap to show attacking! As an aggro player, I imagine that in particular will be helpful for combat triggers in future games. I'm sort of neutral on the audio, but did enjoy the animations and more constant shifts of the centered card!

[@kasualh]

Fun game and great to see Shirei in action and piloted well. Also my first time seeing Elenda since the rule change and it looks like an interesting deck. For the new visuals (and sounds), it’s cool to see new things being tested, but I wasn’t a fan. One of the best aspects of your videos for me has always been the restraint in your editing - they are relaxing to watch and let you focus on the game. There also a lot going on and the size of the animations, particularly the tapped cards and the stack interactions, as well as the unpredictable movement at times makes it harder to focus on the play state. But like I said, nice to see new things and thanks for the great content.

[@afspeellijstnaruto]

Very cool video, the shirei player really had his value engine going! I like the vids with and without the effects. As long as it won't become (sorry) overtuned like game knights...their episodes take so long that i tend to skip a lot of it. Your videos are a good watch. Lots of diversity in terms of decks, and just very relaxing oddly enough. Keep up the amazing work!

[@ryanwillson2751]

I really like the editing and the new song is chill. Good job!

[@andrewroy5677]

Great job, Colin! Great episode!

[@ivernedit]

Can’t say I was a fan of most of the effects since they seemed extra and forced, but I’m glad you are trying new stuff out. Keep it up!

[@pauldyson8098]

Kolvori is a nice counterpoint to Reki in the "green legends matter" deck: where Reki is draw in the CZ, Kolvori is ramp (and some card draw) in the CZ. Legends tribal is best tribal. If you're thinking of taking her apart, though, swap Reki in and get a few reps with the deck. Reki is my second oldest (5+ years) and easily my favorite deck.

[@HadesElderSage]

I do yisan legendary creatures. It is really fun and the toolbox will only get better over time.

[@pauldyson8098]

@@HadesElderSage I love Yisan as well. I feel like Yisan is stronger than Reki (maybe even cEDH good?), but Reki is super fun.

[@Spoodlewok]

Great game! Madison's deck was really popping off.

[@ludicrousluke2787]

Love that you’re trying something new! I watch all your videos and enjoy the chill gameplay and quality commentary, so I didn’t care for the sound effects. I also didn’t really care for the cards being tilted, as I like to read cards I’m not familiar with and you already state in the commentary that they are attacking.

[@CardboardCommand]

Heck yah! ALL HAIL THE GREAT MUD BOI!

[@The808andrew808]

Keep the visual effects, but not the audio ones. We came for the muddy AMSR voice and don’t want to have anything taken away from that! I love what you’ve done with the channel. How many cool games so many new decks and honestly these past two years for me discovering your channel I’ve been so awesome! So keep up the good work, Don’t be afraid to take risks and at the end of the day we will always support you whether it’s Magic or other role playing games. Thank YOU Andrew!

[@xzeaivermcdonald2157]

I'm a whole adult.....and the scorpion got me lol. Nice job

[@resplendentobscurity]

I like the effects when they are contributing to the narrative in a simple way; e.g. the fetch dissolving into the land they get, the stack interactions, etc. I didn't think the tapping when attacking contributed much, but I think it could help clarify which creatures are attacking who if edited differently. I am also in agreement about the sound effects - not that they were bad, but they took away from the narration and I found them to be distracting. Also I'm not if the card reader was bigger this time, but I found it to be more dominant on the screen on this time? Maybe I was just more aware of it this because of the animations. All this said, I also love the simplicity of your videos, and I think that's what makes them unique in the sphere of commander gameplay content.

[@will.y.5281]

Honestly liked some of the new visual/ audio additions. Change can be good and the changes just seemed to be focused on individual card actions without going overboard like some other channels do

[@ivernedit]

A neat interaction wit shizo is that he only needs to see the creature dying at one attack, meaning minus counters work on brining bigger cads deck. Yawgmoth is insane in that deck by not only being a sack outlet, but letting you bring cards back like carry.

[@caseywellington4761]

Very fun game, and I enjoyed seeing Shirei!

[@Psytrin]

Congrats on getting a new editor in on the job, hopefully things work out. Personally, the audio effects disrupted my enjoyment of the video somewhat and I felt like the cards were a bit too big in focus. I liked the tapping effect for attacking, that was appreciated!

[@MTGMuddstah]

Thanks! I appreciate the feedback. All of this is still a work in progress, so this is fantastic.

[@Wild-Zubat]

I like it both with the visuals as well as without. I 100% agree that the soundeffects hurt the chill vibes (I dont know if people have told you, but you have a very relaxing/NPR-esque voice) I liked a few of the visual reminders of which certain triggers were, especially for cards I dont see as often, and I would like the potential clarity it would add to stack triggers. One thing thats a bit jarring was, when creatures are attacking, they are always BIG, where as when a card is played its BIG then small. The attacking might've been smoother if they were shown in the smaller format. Either way, I appreciate that you guys are experimenting and playing around with the format.

[@mattyivanov9218]

The editing adds more flavor to the whole experience!!

[@inidebiningin]

god this game must've been fun also more than happy to see shirei win, that's the first commander I've ever built so it's just cozy to see it do well

[@t4c0b3l1]

I enjoyed the more animated effects. I do think the sound effects mees with the vibe and commentary.

[@JonathanHecht]

great job to the new editor! 👍

[@David-tq2cm]

8:33 for me is the perfection many times i go back to see what somecards do to undestand the play, but now is so simples i reaaly like that! just the sound effects could i dont like so much but i think if they are lowers would be fine

[@FoxireGaming]

what a great game, never seen a shirei deck and man that looks like alot of fun. As for the editing I enjoyed the background music and the tapping of cards to denote attacking, however tapping shouldn't be used for blocking to prevent confusion. As for all the wacky effects for random stuff, I think they're alright in moderation and used for big fancy stuff and not for basic actions like cracking lands and pinging with a creature. Otherwise, a great time.

[@burningskullhead1]

You know when I first saw shirei I automatically thought of shadowborn Apostle deck but thus is so much more interesting thank you for showing me a better way to build him 👍

[@Starsoulklr]

I think part of why Elenda may not be as common of a commander for Aristocrats is on her release it was still the old rules on how commanders interacted with the graveyard. So she wouldn't ever get her on death trigger back then and I think she's only had the one printing.

[@EquestrianCitizen]

editing is fantastic brother

[@marcocapolli9482]

Love the game and some of the effects. I've been following your channel since when the "conquer your commander" series was a thing and I always appreciated your consistency. Adding one effect once in a while can be a good thing to keep the attention on, but I fear that too many of them can result in the opposite effect. As for the sound effects for me is a resounding no. The chill atmosphere of your narration and your calming voice are one of the reason I still follow your videos weekly. The scorpion effect Is the only sound effect that I enjoyed, It was amazing! Hope you find my comment helpful and sorry for my shaking english.

[@artur_rC]

Ich fand die alte Version etwas schöner. Schön simple, klar und angenehm zu verfolgen. Das alles ohne extra Effekte, hat den Channel auch speziell und super genug gemacht. Aber trotzdem ein schönes Spiel

[@aliciakosinski5827]

I really liked how the video affects:)

[@didupaytheone2678]

Wow I'm loving the animation u added..very cool

[@Simsystwistedmind]

I honestly think that the reason we don't see many Elenda decks is because of the bad first impression we were given of the card. When she first appeared in commander, she was unable to effectively access her death trigger abilities. The format rules had to change for her and other similar commanders to be effective but by that point the damage to her reputation had already been done.

[@kwads1909]

Visual effects were cool. I think the chiller they are, the better. I think if a card attacks, instead of having it “tap”, it would be better to have it jolt quickly in the direction of the player it is attacking instead, keeping the board as visible as possible.

[@kwads1909]

Also a fan of the cards appearing whenever they are involved in an interaction. However, if it’s not their first appearance, I don’t think they need to be magnified. Just show them at the smaller scale they revert to after a few seconds to start.

[@chromark7552]

Amazing video as usual. As for the effects, I personally almost choked a few times on my drink/food while listening abscentmindlessly as I usually do. They're nice in idea, but they're a bit too loud. If it were for me to hear it again, I'd definitely tone it down as its way too violent/loud when everything else is pretty chill and relaxed. I don't mind them though! Keep it up!

[@MasterPatiI]

The sounds I think could be a little softer so they don’t intrude as much. I’d like to see them keep animating and see how much better they get!

[@nickt3772]

I also preferred the videos without the effects, especially the audio. Still a fun video though, I hope you had fun experimenting and I'll stick around whatever you decide!

[@Frank-ln9oc]

I really enjoy your channel. Love the classical music in the background, and your smooth voice maken this channel the bob ross of edh games. I hope you stick to that format instead of all the sound and visual effects.

[@03thinking]

Oh my, those Shirei and Elenda decks are awesome, I would love to play against them! About the effects, for me, I like the initiative but it seemed a little random when/where they happened, like one fetch land has visual and sound effects when used to fetch but the other fetch land got nothing, and as others have said, the sound effects are more difficult to fit with the speech flow, like when the scorpion has attacked [sometimes with sound effects and others without any sound effect] . I loved to see the cards tilting for attacking though! Love your work, huge fan of the channel, I hope to play against you one day.

[@thelocustgod9098]

Does the Vorinclex affect the Mindless Automaton looping?

[@TheBalogna7]

Yup, it only enters with 1 counter and not 2. I am not sure why Colin kept putting it back in his graveyard once Vorinclex was on the battlefield though.

[@grimbourne]

After the first time he did it I was like. "Man, magic is hard, and we all miss triggers so much." Lol

[@AxillaryPower2]

I would prefer losing the stock audio and clipart effects.

[@FleishDawg]

Didn't mind the video effects, would rather none of them. The audio effects actively were a distraction and a bother. Thanks for the great content as always!

[@rafaellumrodas350]

Great video!!! I love the elenda deck

[@bananabread4217]

I love all of these edits!!!

[@KeroTheInvincible]

I think there was a slight goof with Colin's Automaton. While Vorinclex was out, it should only have been getting a single +1/+1 counter when it entered, meaning Colin shouldn't have been able to remove two counters to draw a card.

[@thomasdurso]

I like some or the new effects for sure and like the cards coming up when you attack and activate effects of things , but I think the cards stay giant for to long. Which it’s hard to keep up with the rest of the screen when it’s so large for so long.

[@eliaszbojko2559]

Didn't like either the effects and especially the audio effects. I really loved and came to the channel because of the format, often playing classical music in the background and clearly showing each card with no frills.

[@daybreak817]

Not a fan of the effects. They're busy, loud, and take away from what makes me enjoy the channel: Chill, clear, minimal, casual EDH.

[@germanyjones2700]

Editing was fun! But imo a bit over the top, I come for the simplicity and asmr of Andrews voice

[@David-tq2cm]

i like the effects just the sounds could be a little lower but i love the stack animation is verry clear and good to see

[@jonnyrice5263]

I liked the tapped attacking creatures. The animations were cool, especially the morphing cards. The sound effects would take some getting used to -- maybe it would be better if you incorporated them into your script with pauses?

[@xGranmargx]

My critique for the effects is that, if they're gonna happen, they need to be faster and snappier, particularly the sacrifice effects. And if the sound is going to be kept, which I did not enjoy, they also need to be quick, and instant, with a lower volume, otherwise it was a nice viewing experience, and the gameplay was great.

[@ashrundquist9821]

I watch your channel because the videos are quick and direct. I like the stack effect animation, and if attacking indicated which cards were going where, I'd appreciate it. however, I would like you to keep your videos just as music and commentary, no sound effects.

[@GerBessa]

The scorpion animation was cute.

[@diylobotomy13]

The editing is dope!

[@lightshade5726]

The editing change was interesting and pretty nice. The audio additions could be toned down or removed. Seeing the card as it attacked and the corresponding blockers is very nice. A change in music is incredibly nice. Seriously, background music that isn't Mudstah.TM is highly appreciated. The visual changes are just kinda cute but I'm not sure if they're needed. Overall, 8.1/10 Not everything is needed but there are a lot of nice additions and changes.

[@TheG4urdian]

I prefer the no animations/effects Just the clean concise videos focusing on the boards in front of us with the sultry voice of the Muddstah commentating

[@poutinemcflurry3544]

Loved the game, and the special effects were a nice touch! I can’t seem to find the link for the elenda deck in the description though

[@Hitmonchampion]

The effects were fine. I wouldn't mind seeing them again. The sounds however were a bit distracting. Maybe if it was someone else doing the voice over they'd be fine, but since its you, the sounds clashed with the chillness in your voice, and breaks the emersion a bit. Maybe if the sound effects were a bit more quiet, or subtle. Also, that little scorpion animation was cute

[@slavetophage1688]

Muddstah, for legendary tribal have you thought about changing the colours around? Having access to Bard Class seems pretty deece.

[@TheBalogna7]

We need a card count on that Mindless Automaton, good lord it drew a ton of cards. Pretty interesting game. As for the effects, I wasn't really a fan of either the visual or sound effects. Part of why I enjoy your content is that it feels pretty stripped down with relaxing music going on in the background. The visual effects felt like additional clutter blocking the board state as things were happening and the sound effects kind of caught me off guard. Not saying that they weren't good, I just didn't particularly feel that they were needed. If in the future you do want to add more visual effects, I would suggest pausing whats going on in the video behind (kind of like how The CZ does it).

[@MTGMuddstah]

That's completely fair. This was something that the editor had proposed and I thought was a fun idea. We tried it, people seem to be a bit on the fence about it, and we don't have to keep it. I appreciate you taking the time for this feedback! It's invaluable to helping me grow and tweak the channel.

[@frankholub4673]

While I appreciate the effort that was put into the new effects, I personally prefer the older understated style with no animations or sound effects. If I wanted to watch the Command Zone, I'd watch Command Zone, but I don't care for that style, so I watch you instead. Thanks for all you do!

[@lovcraftian]

Did anyone else drop their phone on their face when the scorpion popped out ? 🤕🦂😱

[@benjaminkailes7263]

I think for “tapping” a card, the animation could be a less extreme angle. I love reading the cards; it just forces me to jolt my head now. The sudden large tilt also adds this faster hyped feeling to the video, which I think kinda takes away from the chill vibe I personally like Some of the other visual animations and audio cues honestly just seem distracting too - too flashy or loud

[@bertdog2119]

The effects were all pretty similar to how you did it but the audio on the audio effects was a bit too loud, dont dislike the audio effects though. I think its definitely an improvement because I remember sometimes id forget what a card that was relevant did so id either look it up or skip backwards. I did really like some of the visual representations of the stack though very very good Overall i'd say its a positive inclusion and I am excited for any fine tuning or improvements

[@yoshiman9521]

will vorinclex stop the automoton from coming in with 2 counters and only have 1?

[@coffee_zombie9694]

GG. I liked the effects for sure but if I had to make one critic it would be the cards coming in were zoomed a bit much. Maybe like 25% less so it does not cover and distract from the game as much.

[@nanoacido5174]

I'm not really a fan of the new effects. I don't actively dislike them, but I prefer the more simple and elegant design and If they suppose more editing work I would discard them. However If you have fun designing them go ahead. This channel is great and something minor like that won't take from the experience

[@kacoldokilombiano1352]

love the editing! also cool to see another shirei deck