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[@GunDrummer]

That awkward moment when his bad example is better than you

[@lildirtdick777]

Better get grinding!!!! Much love

[@SpecialFragoutYT]

True 😔

[@fearvana6567]

FORREAL HAHAHAHAHA I WAS LIKE uhhhhh but dude

[@grbgeslnger24]

So true

[@aking8477]

Lmao I was thinking the same thing

[@pikkuniilo]

After the concert, a woman from the audience went to say to the soloist, the pianist (it may have been a violinist): "I would give half my life if I could play like you do." The pianist replied: "My dear lady, I have given half my life." 😁

[@zivkovicable]

i heard it was a Jazz musician, and he said..."Bitch, I have given half my life!"

[@vidividal]

HE said "I have given my WHOLE life"

[@ogelsmogel]

Half is not enough.

[@Kompe2]

​@@zivkovicable he said.... Biiiiiiiiiiiitchhhhhh.....! (Did he really say that tho?)

[@zivkovicable]

@@Kompe2 He was in a hurry so he kept it to "bitch".

[@truescotsman4103]

I'm a guitarist I've been playing professionally for about 15 years I'm 58. I started 40 years ago jamming with friends I've been in bands since then. I've lost my motivation in the last few years. You have inspired me to be the best possible musician I can be with the rest of my time on earth. I've already improved a lot and it's only been a week!! Stop procrastinating and PRACTICE!!!!

[@less2worryabout]

fuck yeah !!!!!!!!! best comment yet in this here ....

[@JuniorMoreiraMG]

man if this is true, you're a f**king certified world class LEGEND

[@truescotsman4103]

@@JuniorMoreiraMG no I'm just a regular person. I caught the musical itch when I was a little boy and I just can't shake it. They told me I was gifted and that I had talent. They tried to make me play saxophone.

[@thomastucker5686]

I am 58. Always wanted to be a musician. I am working hard at it. I have played many shows, but never really had the time to be really good. Now I finally have the time but some days I am not motivated. It comes in spirts and I write music, then it falls off. I am working alone now, so that sucks. I miss one of my bands, we wrote all our own stuff. They really pushed me hard.

[@ogelsmogel]

How's it going?

[@drumrit]

Not gonna lie, your videos from when you were 16 crushed my ego. At the same time, comparing myself to you doesn’t help. I’ve seen where you’ve reached with a lot of hard work, and I think if I compare I’ll always fall short, but with as much hard work or more I will certainly become the best drummer I can be. Love the positivity and realistic attitude. All the best El Estepario 😁

[@less2worryabout]

do it!!!

[@whitneymacdonald4396]

It's not about comparing. Do it because you enjoy it. You'll have your good days and bad days- so what. You can be awesome in your own way, even at half the speed, and, ultimately, you are awesome anyway.

[@benpeterson7530]

I think he had said that he had been playing for 4 years when he was 16. He also mentioned he'd practice an hour a day most days. If we think about that, that is actually a lot of time behind the kit. If it is well thought out practice, I think most people could be pretty good in 4 years if they practiced an hour a day with an intelligent practice plan that they stuck to. But, most don't do that. Most don't get that much out of each practice session. I didn't, and I am working on practicing better. To me, the single most important factor is if one loves to do something (for most things, athletics is excluded, no amount of practice will make an average person an elite player in a big sport). For something like drumming, loving it and practicing with the goal to be better consistently will create a good drummer. I think many "prodigies" just love to play. Sure, they are young, but they are practicing a lot, and practicing intelligently. I think if someone really spent 1 year practicing an hour a day intelligently, they'd be better than most drummers. If they spent 2 or 3 hours a day in a year practicing, they'd be awesome in a few years. The ones that love it do this. It's why we see some HS kids that can shred on the drums. They have passion and time to practice.

[@GODElRigna]

Comparison is a killer. Forge your own path.

[@TripleC-fu4vg]

I am an Occupational Therapy Practitioner and always tell my Patients to not compare themselves to other Patients. Love this post. I don’t drum but this guy is giving me indirect lessons on how to be a better person.

[@wb1065]

I’ve “played “ the drums for just about 40 years now, but just recently decided to push myself to really learn the drums, rudiments, dynamics, odd time signatures, sight reading. Every aspect. it’s not easy but it is worth it , the reward for hard work is equal to what you put into it. Thanks for the video.

[@chewtoy1107]

This. This right here is imo the most important thing. I've seen talks and videos and articles on this idea as well but: It doesn't matter simply how much time you put into a thing, you need to be *actively* practicing or else you won't improve. As he alludes to/says in the video, it can't just be a fun little thing you do for an hour a day as a hobby, and it can't just be like blindly playing your favorite songs. You need to have specific goals, specific things to practice, read the theory, learn the fundamentals and practice them, and so on.

[@oscarisambard]

"6 years ago my drumming fucking sucked" meanwhile his playing is like 10x better than mine

[@juli_von.perponcher4672]

fax man

[@Snaques]

Yeah, that's the part that kind voids the whole point he's trying to make. He says people are not gifted and it's all hard work, while also saying he was better than most drummers when he couldn't care less about practicing or putting any effort into his craft. So to me, all this video proves is that some truly are more gifted than others.

[@jacquesgoldman]

@@Snaques OF course. We are programms in this matrix.

[@deonbekende]

Did you reconize the song when he played toxicity ? No, because despite his skill he has no sense of musicality, which is the most important.

[@oscarisambard]

@@deonbekende lmao what do you mean it’s so obviously toxicity

[@lastcall9998]

El Estepa: Talent is a lie! El Estepa shows his first video: Plays like Mike Portnoy El Estepa: I fvcking sucked at 18 yo.

[@manuchinemann]

I think this wasn’t his goal :( I think he just wanted to show that practice is everything if you want to improve yourself.

[@yitzu48]

Manoella Chinemann Decarlo yes you improve when putting the time in to it but the talented people have way more potential when putting the same time as the non talented ppl

[@19RaxR91]

@@joeym.9868 Naaah, I think it will Finally show people that Mike Portnoy is overrated...

[@METALCRYSISCORE]

hahahaha same here

[@matthewpullicinomusic]

But his current abilities put his 18 y/o self to shame and that's the point.

[@MidnightCastleHelp]

You're so right! When I was growing up practicing the flute hours every day, everyone always said I was lucky that I had so much talent. It wasn't talent. It was hard work! I used to resent them saying it was a gift because I worked so hard to have that ability.

[@veryde_3356]

It's often a mix of both. You can have talent and pick things up more easily than others, but it always takes discipline and dedication to fulfill that potential. It's the same with music as it is with sports. It's false to just attribute everything to talent, but it's a real and normal thing that your body and your mind are better at certain things than those of other people.

[@ericpatton5211]

Bro... I've played for 45 years. I've taught 40+ lessons a week for almost 20 years. Talent is very real and you are really talented... What you get out of your practice time is not the same as what average people get. You are an example of the intersection of talent and work ethic. That said, I get your point. All the talent in the world will never replace good practice habits and holding yourself accountable to your own expectations. Savage drummer, love your videos.

[@originalSiiiN]

it's not about quantity. you have time but what have you DONE with your time?

[@manuelsanchezarroyo1829]

Anyone that's a teacher knows that talent is very real, and you explained what talent is perfectly.

[@FringeSpectre]

I agree. Those with talent who work hard don't realize that others can be working just as hard but for whatever reason won't be able to reach their level. There are just some people who have the right mix of genetics and brain chemistry to grasp onto things and achieve greater levels of mastery than others. We are not all "created" equally.

[@lifenote1943]

"I've been playing for 45 years" doesn't mean shit though. You can play 1 hour a day for 45 years and not get that far. Even if you do 2, 3, 4 hours, how are those hours dedicated. Don't feel entitled to achieve something just because of time spent, you also have to have QUALITY, FOCUSED practice. So the idea that talent exists because a lot of people learn inefficiently is really stupid. I do believe talent exists on some levels, but it's the not the mythical bullshit godsend a lot of of people make it out to be. But hey everyone calls ME talented so maybe I'm talking from my ivory tower, but the only difference that I've done in my life is take a scientific approach to studying, being as optimal as I can and min maxing as much as I can. And I'm mentally ill af too, I can barely do an hour of practice a day rn in my life.

[@ericpatton5211]

@Life Note never said I wasn't good, superstar... I make a living behind the drums and have for a long time. I said talent is real. I didn't read your rant past the second line. I'm well aware of what it takes to excel at something. That is why I said as much in the OP.

[@TheSentinel909]

I know its supposed to be motivating, but seeing your level at 17 just crushed my dreams XD

[@jorgeparedes1992]

Si, opino lo mismo.. jajaja

[@henri4730]

"I fucking sucked" yeah, right

[@aarjavjogani]

Every time I see people younger than me do better, I'm like okay, he started at 12, so he was that good at 17. I started at 18, I should be that good at 22-23 which is okay. I'm not necessarily worse than him, just 4-5 years late than him.

[@aarjavjogani]

@Dwak Solo exactly! Keep putting effort and you can become great at anything. No point in crying about how you should've started early, because if you don't start today, 10 years later you'll still be thinking "I should've started 10 years ago"

[@aarjavjogani]

@Dwak Solo haha that's the kind of mindset I have right now. I'm almost 20, started at almost 19

[@mikehomola5875]

Dude u weren’t bad 8 years ago

[@angel.paredes.8896]

at all he was better than me now

[@JeffDesmond]

No, but still a massive difference. Says more about how good he is now thanks to all the practice.

[@mikehomola5875]

He wasn’t bad he just became more dedicated and got so much better and he’s a dope drummer

[@charliemoney]

I can see where he’s coming from though. There’s a big difference in his playing now compared to then. I would say the same thing if I saw a video of myself playing as a beginner nowadays. Musicians are pretty hard on themselves 😂

[@xempath]

@@danieltrochei4544 thats how hard he is on himself, hes not saying anyone should compare themselves to him.

[@nylesgregory2120]

Dude - you're phenomenal, and I don't ever think I've said that to anyone ever. Ever, and I'm 60. But you still gotta stop smokin - find another way. It ages you, and you won't be able to escape. On your message. You're an Angel . . . with a machine gun, like no other. Just the most wicked and accurate set of sticks I've ever laid eyes on. Truly an inspiration.

[@kozmosis3486]

Yes quitting physically unhealthy habits gets harder and harder the longer we do them. Good luck to all in their efforts to cope with the stresses of life.

[@yorankoppes]

Also remember: Every day is different. You will have good days, and bad days. Don't quit because one day you're not better than the day before, just keep on practicing no matter what.

[@ragon747]

Basically the Johnnie Walker slogan: "Keep Walking"

[@mariocornejo1568]

Consistency over a long period of time is what makes a professional

[@bmcbg]

yep, some days feel great, sometimes being tired and practicing can be tough but at least I keep going..drumming is really enjoyable

[@FreeHuman1997]

Wise words, thank you 🙌🏾

[@mariocornejo1568]

@@Murdacat lol

[@d-jet8568]

This is actually insane. I've been drumming for about ~3 years now, and also I've been studying spanish for almost exactly the same amount of time. When I found your channel I thought "oh cool he plays some of my favorite songs and speaks spanish with subtitles so I can practise spanish while watching" but I didn't expect to hear such an amazing, life changing speech. ¡Eres un hombre de rock! ¡Gracias por la inspiración! (I don't know how to say "rock" but I hope I used it right)

[@icedstar]

There's no translation to the word rock when it comes to music.

[@AngelCaz7]

como te esta yendo con tu español ahora?

[@brauliodiaz3925]

Piedra jajaja

[@antonlinares2866]

Rock is said roca

[@antonlinares2866]

You can also say piedra

[@Renzo8375867]

"TALENT IS A LIE" First clip: Already talented

[@epiczeven6378]

lol, well, not really. You need about 2 to 3 years to get to that level minimum. He probably didn´t have clips. Or hey, think about it, if he is embarrassed about his techniche from 8 years ago, imagine showing his first year of drumming hahaha!

[@andrewhart9310]

@@epiczeven6378 That's kind of his point. Technique is a skill, and you improve upon it, but the dude was already talented. We don't know exactly when in his journey he started filming, but we DO know that prodigies are a thing. You and I would need 2-3 years to get to that level, but not everyone. And that's the point: talent is by no means a lie - it's just not EVERYTHING. :)

[@DannySullivanMusic]

hahaha best comment ever

[@epiczeven6378]

@@andrewhart9310 Most "prodigys" start playing at age of 3, 4 or 5 yo. With thousands of hours. Even those who start later, play like 12 hours a day for years xd! There may be some merit on raw talent, but it's nothing compared to their practice. Rather than talent, we should talk about skill

[@andrewhart9310]

@@epiczeven6378 Have you never seen a child prodigy actually perform? I'm talking world-class talent, with numerous famous examples, performing on par with adult musicians, well before "thousands" of hours of practice could be accrued. There is no need to denigrate or ignore talent to emphasize the importance of practice and skill. It's simply not necessary. And talent is, without a question, not "a lie." That's pure and utter bullshit.

[@matthewmorris1328]

I just recently came across some of your videos in my feed and after watching this I believe you are 100% correct. I started playing piano and saxophone in 2021 with no music background and when I play something I always hear, “Man you’re so talented”. I don’t think they seem to understand the hours I’ve spent practicing. The most untalented person who puts in the most work will always outshine anyone who doesn’t practice regardless of how much natural talent they have. This video has inspired me to practice even more. Keep the videos going

[@EmperorMagnaGreymon3]

The subtitles are so much more aggressive than what he is actually saying.

[@josueleon1288]

way less agressive tho

[@FuzzyDrumming]

so true, I wonder why ahah

[@IMNME45]

I came here to say this, hahaha I wonder if it was himself who subtitled this, it is funny how you can say the same very thing being polite... Or not, he was being polite in Spanish believe me.

[@EmperorMagnaGreymon3]

@Lucas Mafra We're saying that he was being polite in Spanish. The subtitles are different from what he is actually saying. For example "You hit the snare hard" turns into "You beat the fucking living shit out of that snare"

[@EmperorMagnaGreymon3]

@@IMNME45 I'm not a Spanish speaker, but I can understand somethings :) And it was obvious to me

[@AV-cx7ob]

Not only a message for drummers/musicians, but for life! Great stuff.

[@seanfay7679]

The progression wasn't" technical, it was psychological".... excellent

[@franrivas6181]

Totalmente de acuerdo, para dominar cualquier técnica en la vida solo se necesitan tres cosas: práctica, práctica y práctica. Enhorabuena por tu excelente progreso...

[@ValuelessPond22]

Obviously he didn’t exactly suck at 16. But he has every right to say he did. He developed his own sound and his sense of time improved DRAMATICALLY with all the work he put in. Everyone I’ve talked to who’s at his level of playing has a similar mindset when it comes to practice and his dedication to his craft. Still inspiring. Thank you.

[@less2worryabout]

YOu talked to who?

[@harvestingseason2725]

​@@less2worryaboutlol

[@mayertay7570]

At 16, you play better than alot of others out there. Including me 😂

[@andrebarbagallo8743]

Hahja facts

[@jimmythegreek2472]

listening to him talk with out looking at subtitles im thinking he saying "at 16 it just got ridiculous my skills was biblical"

[@miguelrestrepo6049]

At 16 he had 4 years drumming, so...

[@hardiksharma1428]

But that's still humanly, and he's not hitting his pulse right. He might've had speed, but I know a good drummer when I see one, and he wasn't a sound player back then, and he knows it. At 18, even before he "got serious", he was vvvv sound. But now, he's a different beast altogether

[@jimmythegreek2472]

yeah bro your right im gonna check the wait and bleed cover right now

[@AnEnemyAnemone1]

Talent is definitely real, I just think people tend to misconceptualize it. Some people learn quicker than others. Two people can start from the same place, practice in the same exact manner for the same amount of time and have very different levels of progress. This advantage in learning speed is, in my opinion, how we ought to conceptualize talent.

[@ElBoyoElectronico]

Exactly, this is actually proven by different studies. People with talent learn quicker and get better in way shorter amounts of time and reach higher levels in the end. Of course, they still have to learn and practice like crazy.

[@zombiebrbr]

That's right. I played American football when I was a kid (8 yo) and it took me 1 season to jump from the OL and the DL to be a Fullback and a Linebacker while one of my friends took like 7 years to quit from both Lines. I quit playing at 12 yo and returned when I was 17 and it was a surprise seeing that friend finally surpass me (with some difficulties, but he did). It didn't took me long to improve my level and rebel me to that new reality but I can say it was a slap in my face

[@matthewm1771]

Very true

[@andrewhart9310]

This is so incredibly obvious and inarguable, and yet if you look at these threads, you'll find hordes of people insisting it's not true. It's very frustrating. In other words, anyone who isn't an idiot should be agreeing with you. :)

[@a_u_r_a_l]

So true!!

[@adenjamison5779]

You are totally right. I noticed one of the 128th notes you played when you were 17 was off by .001 BPM. Totally nailed it 6 years later. Kidding. After watching your videos for a while, I dig having you as an example of what's possible. I don't compare myself, I just enjoy listening to what can be achieved with drive and work. Talent is just the ground where seeds can be planted. It takes drive and work to cultivate something fruitful. Bad ass. Thank you.

[@JackFrost-pk5fw]

"as you see,my drumming skills 6 years ago was suck" Dude,really?

[@eugenereebok9487]

it was luck! because he's have massive range of talent but he's still blind because don't see this Creator bless you dude

[@wraeclastjanitor8849]

think this Spaniard is trolling xD

[@tobines]

3:46 - truer words have *never* been spoken

[@Deuce240]

Lmao wassup tobines, people prob think this acc is fake but it’s not lmao

[@frankmundy4074]

Tobinnnnnesssss

[@eliewiii6543]

If you said that you were bad in these old video, you completelly lost any kind of sense of sense of difficulty. In the first videos there were obvious mistakes, but they were still quite advanced grooves ...

[@carlos_7x]

Agree

[@JamesSSWayne]

seems bad to me.. very bad

[@eliewiii6543]

@@JamesSSWayne The sound and "impact" were bad, but the grooves are hard. Especially if you consider the last video, it's super hard. I don't even think 0.1% of drummers in the world can play it.

[@Mega12Uploader]

Elie Medioni his last video doesn’t really “count” in his point. In his 19 yo groove he already had a whole year of serious practice, so we consider the last weak groove shown as the 18 yo one. Also that percentage is fucking stupid, very much every pro drummer could get that groove.

[@AlexSchladetsch]

@@Mega12Uploader I am 100% not a pro drummer at all but I can play that song in its entirety. It's not "easy" but it's not hard either.

[@anilvirginia]

You say talent doesn't matter but you were doing stuff at 16 years old that seasoned guys can't do. I know you're trying to be inspirational to other aspiring drummers and that's awesome, but dude... You're THAT dude. Love your channel and think you're an awesome person. Thank you.

[@sandy-vd3sl]

there is something that really stuck with me, its a quote by Bruce Lee and it goes, I fear not the man who has practiced 10'000 kicks 1 time, I fear the man who has practiced 1 kick 10'000 times, a lot of drummers sit down and practice songs, or just goof off, it what your doing when practicing, and this man has practiced 10'000 kicks 10'00 times (he spends an average of 8 hours playing drums every day) AND he has multiple drill and he does each drill for 30 minutes, if u took and man and made him put in the time and the drills that he does with a desire to get better, then he will be just as good,

[@less2worryabout]

AND YOU ARE THAT BUT DUDE DUDE

[@less2worryabout]

You have fallin for the bullshit. spit out the bait before the hook is set

[@JL-ql2jo]

THAT dude for real

[@jerbear7952]

Maybe he started playing younger

[@ZShenlong1]

Yes, what he played when he was 16-17 was technically difficult but listen to how it sounds, it doesn’t even groove. That’s why he said he sucked...there’s a lot more to music than playing something that is difficult. Nobody except music nerds care how hard something is if it sounds bad to them.

[@chrisgemmell102]

true, a lot of speed without substance

[@XxAlmsivixX]

Agreed, it's not exactly "bad", it just sounds off and bit rushed.

[@Sabianism]

I totally agree with this. I by no means sucked 4 years ago, but sense joining my band and writing lots of music and taking myself seriously these past 4 years I've COMPLETELY improved my time and my groove and it has made my old playing almost unlistenable to me now. I agree a lot with what was said in this video.

[@SALEENS7GTR5]

Exactly. The timing made it feel awkward to listen to, like he was trying too hard. He probably was because he didn't yet put in the real practice and had to compensate.

[@ab-bx4xz]

The stick tricks were really impressive anyways

[@vaibhavvasishth4637]

I love how he was a guy with many drums and a minimalist now😁 this is inspiring man

[@Fraughtful]

It usually is that way. I wanted to be Neil peart at first but you get tired of hauling drums

[@mattgarstkasfan8602]

It always takes a lot of time to understand your drum arrangement

[@Mezurashii5]

He probably has 3x the amount of gear, it's just not on camera at all times.

[@Spenjira]

@@Fraughtful YASSSSSSS. Only like 5 percent of drummers actually get good enough to really not need that many colours and textures on their kit (having strong rudimental background and jazz background helps you understand how to squeeze this out of a small kit). The rest SAYYY its because they matured but really its the back breaking load in labour. You see guitarists DIing into the house speakers now so thye just brining their rack and instrument. us drummers still fucking dead before we even start the set LOL!

[@Fraughtful]

@@Spenjira if you're an amazing drummer with 4 drums you're an amazing drummer with 400 drums.

[@GunDrummer]

Great message though it is true

[@Julio-fz8xj]

It would be a great message if it wasn't pure bullshit. It's a great feeling to be told that I could be as smart and genius as Isaac Newton but I am simply not.

[@danj8038]

@@Julio-fz8xj yup. I wish I could say the same with Elon or Bezos or Einstein. Those people are literally built different AND the acted on their potential.

[@winstonsmiththethird7627]

@@danj8038 how can you compare Einstein with the two others ? They're just businessmen. Anyway, you both seem to get the message wrong. He is talking bout music, and yes, anyone can learn to play and master any instrument, it just involves commitment.

[@winstonsmiththethird7627]

@@Julio-fz8xj you really didn't get it, he was talking bout music and how anyone can play any instrument. And that's definitly not bullshit

[@leightonwestbury92]

@@Julio-fz8xj you're not because of your self fulfilling ideology, Ie you tell yourself you're not, besides newton was born to simple parents 1 of whom couldn't read

[@allstarpreneursacademy]

This is sage advice… for LIFE. This approach to personal development translates to any endeavour! That’s what I teach in my Teen Startup Workshops… I would love to use this video when talking about the underlying mindset of entrepreneurship: GRIT and DETERMINATION. Great message Estepario and congrats on landing your new position, you’ve earned it 🤘

[@ihaventbeenentirelytruthfu3689]

Solid advice as this can apply to literally anything in life, you’re awesome man.

[@AllCopsAreBigchungus]

Indeed true

[@penteadofelipe]

Well I agree but I'm not sure if this applies to singing really

[@nerdingout3560]

@@penteadofelipe it kind of can actually. The biggest problem most people have when learning to sing properly using their diaphragm and technique is that they don't seem to know or understand where their natural voice and singing tone are at, once you figure out if you are alto, tenor, baritone etc then you'll be able to practice better and make it easier on your vocal cords. While I do still think natural talent plays a huge role in what level of difficulty you can achieve i do also firmly believe that with enough hard work and determination just about anyone can achieve their goals. A great quote i remember hearing on TV when I was a kid was "not everybody can be good at everything, but everyone can be good at something"

[@lorddestructor4696]

Hace 8 años ya tenías el nivel de un profesional, no eras tan malo como lo pintas. Ya quisiera tocar así actualmente.

[@mikejhordy284]

Si p xd 👀🙌🏻

[@gasparin4188]

De hecho tenia un nivel bajo, y crecio muy rápido

[@jayleomac]

the more I see about this guy the more I just love him. your the real deal brother. your helping make some great drummers out there. xo

[@Customsbymlm]

The difference is so crazy.. and the progression to each video shows you getting better

[@benscones9529]

I'm also in the camp that believes talent is negligible when compared to skill. Talent influences how easily you can get into something, but beyond that, it's mostly hard work and your approach. A lot of people tell themselves they want to get better but they play the same songs over and over that don't push them; they may practice, but they may not be aware of what they should be working on and spend time inefficiently, etc. They may even call others talented to explain why the talented people succeed while they cannot, but that just prevents them from getting where they want to. There's also the fact that some people just want things more than others and can awaken the drive to really go for it.. that's one thing I still need to work on. Anyway, I'm not saying talent doesn't exist, but am just saying don't let your apparent lack of it disable you from working hard, because the hard work is going to do most of the work.

[@benscones9529]

@Connor Cole yeah but those are clearly outliers.

[@manuchinemann]

I’m sorry, Jorge, but I’m my honest opinion you born with art in your veins. You have facility since you were younger. Of course you improved so fucking much during these years, but when I saw you playing when you were 16, I could easily see that you exhale art. You may think that talent don’t exist, but for me you are. I love how persistent you are! Things will happen and you’ll reach all your goals. Keep going and showing us your ART!

[@andresludmer]

talent is not a lie. there are people with a better "built in" ear than others and/or better natural coordination and/or better sense of groove and rhythm, etc, and those qualities are the so called talent. people who have some of these characteristics from the go, can improve a lot faster than people who don't. hard work is always necessary, but it takes less time for some. and sadly, there are people with a very poor ear and/or tempo, and so on, and they can try and try forever, but they will never reach a "pro" level. i've seen it many times.... sad but true.

[@danipeterpeter3944]

Totally thrue!!!!!

[@artoriasentertainment4004]

right here. yess.

[@InterCesco93]

In the beginning, the so-called "predisposition" can help you. Maybe doing the things you listed (4 limbs coordination, and so on). But in the long run (and you can the real results only in the VERY LONG run), this makes no difference. The difference is made by the method, combined with a correct way of studying. Today there are no more excuses. The methods to objectively get to play musica in an objectively good way are there for all to see. When you think about the various Weckl and Colaiuta having a special gift, ask them how many hours of study and how many recording sessions they completed in a single day. Consistency, discipline and mostly out of the ordinary willpower. These things really make a difference. Talent can help you, but up to a point. From that point it is up to how much dedication you put into forging your destiny.

[@fridz66]

Talent is 100% true. Hardwork and consistency can only get you far enough.

[@andresludmer]

@@InterCesco93 I disagree. I've met people who are truly passioned about music but maybe they are tone deaf or their rhythm perception is non existant. they can use every method on earth and still they wont sound good. its like if I said everybody can be a top level sportsman, or marble sculptor or paintor or a writer or a code programmer or a scientist or whatever. all the information is available, yes, but every person have different talents for different things, and for others things they just suck, no matter how much effort you put on it.

[@greenlightstudiospnw]

I rarely comment on KZbin, but I've been watching your videos for quite some time now and not only love what you do, but seeing this I appreciate your mindset. As someone that dedicated their life to music (I am a multi instrumentalist and music producer for my career now - but it took almost 20 years), the amount of "You're so lucky" and "It must be nice to be talented" that I got used to frustrate me constantly. They didn't see me playing guitar or drums or mixing for 16 hour days at a time. Now I just accept that some of us will work to get where we want to go, and most will talk about it and then complain that it isn't fair. We all have choices for time, as well as *what* we practice. A few of the comments here talk about how long they've played and yours is still talent based to some level, but they are missing that you were likely pushing the envelope constantly while they likely played the same familiar stuff and didn't know why they weren't seeing improvement. I'll probably rub a few people the wrong way, but after 20 years of playing instruments and recording other artists professionally... I haven't met an amazing artist that was just lucky. They have put so much time in that they look like it's always been like that. Keep at it man. You're inspiring with what you do.

[@lisahinton9682]

@greenlightstudios6838 I remember my friends in school saying I was "so lucky" to always be first chair. Yet it was *_I_* who was dragging my trombone home with me 100% of days and back to school come morning. I loved it and was determined to be the best that I could be - luck had nothing to do with it. I was first chair from middle of 7th grade all the way through 12th grade, and entirely without private lessons. (I know I may sound like I'm tooting my own horn, but my point is, it takes *_work_* and I was putting in the hours whereas my classmates were not.)

[@dosm____]

"Mi forma de tocar hace 6 años da pena y risa" -El Estepario de hace 6 años pegandole una verguiza a la bateria

[@fabianvargas8719]

Ha diferencia de el yo si creo que hay quienes tienen talento, el lo tuvo siempre, solo que depende de uno si lo explota y estudia o simplemente lo deja dormido y se conforma con lo poco que sabes.

[@joseaza4535]

yo llevo tocando 11 años y aun no tengo esa velocidad xd

[@nixdapogs]

Been playing since I was 13 in ‘94 but I play like I’ve just started last week. I have nothing but envy and admiration to all the drummers out here, inspiring me to keep going.

[@Frankiedrumskits]

Watching this video has inspired me to practice WAY more than what I've been doing. Can I be honest? I've been extremely lucky in life: I started lessons at 13 and by 18 I felt already confident after my first 2 full-length albums in the studio with my own bands, I went on tour and felt great. Then yeah I moved to Australia and did other things before I got back to practicing seriously and doing session work in Melbourne, BUT, I'm your same exact age though and I gotta say: while I was chilling out and sitting on my first laurels believing to be ok with drums, You pushed ALL the fucking boundaries and really became the best in the game Thank you Estepario. Thanks to this video I wanna keep pushing myself FOR REAL

[@rsn2012]

You have incredibly fast reflexes combined with a good innate sense of rhythm. My brother in Christ, that's what talent is. You have it and you've expertly developed it. I've played drums semi pro for 15 years. I have the rhythm, but my hands and feet just don't move that fast.

[@javimafe2519]

No puedo creer que alguien pueda dar "no me gusta" a este vídeo. Como profesor creo que este vídeo es muy inspirador y muy aclarador. Comparto la opinión del talento. Como tal, creo que no existe pero, obviamente, una persona tendrá más predisposición y facilidad al aprender música o un instrumento que otra. El Estepario tiene mucha facilidad y, si le sumas el duro trabajo que sigue haciendo a día de hoy (no lo olvidéis), los resultados son los que nos brinda con sus vídeos. Felicidades y sigue así!

[@ericktc1391]

Yo no le di dislike pero creo que no tiene nada de malo XD, hay gente a la que no le gusta simplemente y eso no tiene nada de malo.

[@Saul061]

Llora pues

[@shavo5636]

The most shocking element of this video ? This fruity shirt

[@randidoesthings]

Shavo glad I’m not the only one thinking it XD

[@dreichert1438]

Hahaha, totally agree. He kept saying laugh at me in my early videos and all I could think was I'm laughing in the second one at the shirt

[@carlwhiteloves]

So inspiring. Not just for drummers. For anybody wanting to achieve anything. Thanks, Man, I f***ing love you ❤💯

[@russelljonesOu812]

OMG! So true, I’ve also never read music, just don’t know how to, and don’t want to. Much respect to your dedication it shows in your playing!

[@jasonplamer3147]

I'm starting to really like this dude...I'm not a drummer, or even a real instrumentalist..I'm a song writer..but this dudes philosophy about life, dedication, being an artist and just all around best version of yourself is about as dope as it comes...

[@MrDmadness]

Yup, I found him recently here and admire him for his dedication. He's got a great outlook

[@less2worryabout]

Definitely not religious which is wonderful for the people of the world.

[@primatt]

Ive been playing since I was 11, pretty much same as you at 18 ish then flat lined. Recently Been making drums my entire life as I’ve become obsessed with learning heel toe & this was exactly the video I needed to see!! Also the only person who I’ll watch in full subtitles, I’m sure I’m not the only one - that’s gotta show you how good you are, keep it up!

[@EmperorMagnaGreymon3]

Everything changed when the beard started growing.

[@unclemonster48]

Wisdom and power in the beard. Mines salt and peppered these days though!😂

[@abigaillkruss8823]

Hahaha 🤣🧔

[@MDC9000mtl]

Ive always liked this dude... after this video I have a much larger respect for him and what he does on the kit knowing he did the hard work. He's spot on that a good focused practice routine will do wonders. Thanks for sharing. 🤟

[@magicmark3309]

I agree that practice and hard work is the only way to become a professional level musician, but I definitely think there’s such a thing as talent. For some people things come more naturally. I’ve known musicians who practice religiously and definitely have great chops, but I’ve also known musicians who practice half that time and are just awe inspiring. I think the key here is, no matter what, you have to practice a lot to become a professional musician. Hard work is huge part of it, but I think we should all lean towards are natural talents.

[@dylanwhitesockswatson]

Very powerful and motivating message ! Thanks for sharing this ! Now I want to practice even more !

[@Beefnhammer]

Natural talent DOES exist but without discipline and commitment, it will only get you so far. Those old clips were not bad. A bit unrefined and stiff compared to his playing now, but still very impressive given his experience level at the time. Not to mention all the songs he was covering in those clips are on the more difficult side.

[@smashleyscott8272]

The inverse is ALSO true. No amount of effort or discipline can create the elite out of just anyone.

[@maeu59]

Exactly

[@ericneilson2130]

And without a natural aptitude (talent) for playing the drums he would not have been anywhere as good as he was then.

[@gabriel_mendez]

I don't think so. I think the same as Estepario and those are the same words Neil Peart described how it was for him: hard work. Stop believing in Santa Claus and stop believing that the "elite" musicians are touched by a magic wand.

[@Beefnhammer]

@@gabriel_mendez Equating what I said to believing in Santa Claus and magic borders on insulting. If you reject the idea that aptitude varies from person to person, then you're also implying that literally anyone could have been Neil Peart, and the only thing that separated him from the rest was he worked harder which is an incredibly bold claim. We've all known someone who had a knack for something, but that doesn't mean they're amazing at it right away. Nobody ever sat down at a piano, having never touched the instrument before, and played a classical piece flawlessly. All it means is that they learn faster than most, and if that knack is properly combined with hard work and dedication, they will get farther than others ever will.

[@qsviewsrpgs4571]

For me you hit the nail on the head when you said, to become the best drummer you can be. I stopped comparing myself to others many years ago and for me, that's when the growth really started to take shape. Excellent video in every regard. Killer live-stream the other day by the way.

[@moshepaulperc]

I appreciate your inspiring message! I agree 90%. I think the truth is, some people are more innately talented than others. They learn or can improve faster and can potentially reach greater heights. That doesn’t invalidate what you’ve said about hard work! Hard work will improve any drummer or just any person no matter what. You might not pick it up as quickly as another person though, but that’s okay! You can still achieve whatever you set your mind to, and it doesn’t help to compare oneself to others.

[@hellfirepictures]

No, lots won't achieve what they set their mind to. It's not a case of most people in the world just failing to 'want' something enough or failing to work hard enough. People need to be realistic - if you're successful, YOU ARE TALENTED, as it's only hard work AND talent that gets you there. No musician has ever become successful on hard work alone.

[@less2worryabout]

tting more symbols in front of the word talent does not make it real at all. innately ? lol

[@zteaxon7787]

I agree. To deny the existence of talent is absurd. But the rest ofwhat he says remains valid.

[@omg_wtf]

So what is "talent" then? It's what you use to make yourself feel better. My mother said to me, 'If you are a soldier, you will become a general. If you are a monk, you will become the Pope.' Instead, I was a painter, and became Picasso."

[@Perceptified]

This message resonates with me very strongly. Estepario said a few magic words here: "Never missed a single day" - consistency is just absolutely super important - if I may do an analogy here: with the amount of time Estepario dedicates every day, he is throwing boulders, other people might not have that amount of time (family, job, etc. etc.) so they might only throw pebbles. The most important thing is to throw them every day. Some people can build higher mountains faster, but we should all be building our own mountain. Does not matter if it's only 30 minutes every day, devote them every day and progress will ensue. Thanks for the message. Now on to practice.

[@Chris_yes]

A very lucky man is a person who has a practise space in which to play daily. It is not only dedication, it is opportunity.

[@mikekennedy5470]

I have been surrounded and intensely involved with music my entire 60 years and I can assure you that some people are absolutely just gifted ..not everyone but a handful in the crowd..

[@hellfirepictures]

Though 10% of those in the crowd won't be gifted - but they will be talented. Few people would ever be a Mozart. Hundreds of thousands make passable composers though, whilst billions of us would be terrible no matter how many hours of lessons and practice we had.

[@less2worryabout]

@@hellfirepictures no they wont "talent" is just some shit that made up for people that do not accept things like reality you know like most religious folk fall for most conspiracy type of think. Dismiss superstition its a shitty way to exist thinking that way.

[@breakfreak3181]

Exactly. Natural talent in all aspects of life (artistic, physical or mental) is fairly well established at this point. A talented person still has to put the work in to reach the top of their field, or to excel in their passion, but if they *do* put in the work then they will find progress easier than the averagely talented person who works just as hard.

[@less2worryabout]

@@breakfreak3181 averagly talented makes no fkn. Sense at all to this guy here. Sounds like b.s . What is this average you are using?

[@less2worryabout]

@@breakfreak3181 also name one thing that is unnatural I dare you.

[@marcuswyatt5300]

Idk a lick of Spanish and Im not obsessed with having to read subtitles to understand. Except El Estepario if you still made your videos in Spanish, I would watch. I was in band for 8 years but I played woodwinds. So my only skills that I can translate is reading music, understanding beat. Other than that, Im pretty much ass on drums. But because of you, not only playing as you do, but you're down to earth and still the same guy you were. You're a regular folk, making it big. Thats absolutely inspired me and Im sure many many others can say you do the same for them for the same reasons I've mentioned. Thanks El. Youre a freaking champ.

[@syrearth]

Preach! Guys remember that we don't know how long it took him to get as good as he was when 16, and he's basically dedicated his life to the drums. Of course it helps to have a good teacher, but if you are burning for something and dedicate yourself to it you will become as good as you possibly can, and that's what matters. Hopefully the journey is one of enjoyment because of passion and curiosity.

[@danielfdps]

Cara, talvez você tenha pessoas te assistindo aqui do Brasil, mas posso falar que após assitir seu vídeos me inspirou muito a realizar um sonho de estudar a tocar bateria e hoje sigo com diversão tarefas como trabalhar e estudar, mas não deixar de tocar. Você é uma grande inspiração e como você disse quanto mais praticarmos mais iremos melhorar e hoje eu vejo o resultado. Muito obrigado! Toca muito!!!!;

[@cristoxd7242]

Ya, el titulo dice talent is a lie, pero, chaval, desde siempre has tenido talento loco, incluso cuando hacías esos clips solo por entretenerte o pasar el rato como dices, se te desbordaba el talento, ingenio, hasta limpieza tenías que eso es algo difícil para alguien que toca solo por pasar el rato. Eres grande tío!!!! Peace ✌🏻

[@esmith1128]

I really like your message of "hard work pays off". It's sadly missing in today's world. Hard work has always been the key to success and it always will be!

[@saefeasf]

No pain - No gain ;) Great Video, greater message, killer drumming !

[@Too_Many_Kittens]

The one thing that you can't deny is the basic raw talent you had even very young that a vast majority of drummers never achieve.

[@boriscareaway5862]

I might not be digging your style pf drumming, but damn, dude, that’s one of the best motivation speeches EVER. Truth been told. Thank you very much!

[@Hugo_Lopez20]

Te agradezco de corazón el que hicieras este tipo de videos... hace unos días atrás te descubrí, intento seguir al pie de la letra tus recomendaciones sin dejar a un lado mi propio espíritu... He vuelto a nacer en la música cuando pensaba que habia muerto después de 11 años de haber soltado las baquetas por última vez. Mil gracias 🤙🏼

[@tingkagol]

"As you can see, I sucked 6 years ago" You seriously didn't. I on the other hand still suck today after playing 20+ yrs

[@stellak.6095]

Lars?

[@jeanalbertogonzaleze8580]

@@stellak.6095 There is. This is really the f...best comment ever !!!!!

[@stellak.6095]

@@jeanalbertogonzaleze8580 😇

[@jharju2352]

Can relate. Been playing since I was 14 and now, at almost 30, I'm only beginning to develop proper technique and some actual chops.

[@dominicnevins2144]

*COOL IDEA:* Make a side-by-side of the songs you did in your "starting years" (as shown in the video) with now to show progress.

[@Leemossbutcher]

Imagine having that set up at 17... My drums were falling apart when I was 17. Talent is very real. You were playing crazy good at 17. Also, looks like you had a great drum room bought for you. Helps a lot

[@ghfsd786fa]

dont forget that the first clip he was already playing for 4 years; is not like the first clip is when he first go the drum kit; practice is everything

[@Leemossbutcher]

@JisusKraistPewPew I was also playing for 4 years at the age of 17. It's also environmental because I didn't have a nice set up like that haha. I'm quite aware It's about practice, but it's also about talent. I'm lucky enough to also have drumming in my veins and I've been playing for 26 years

[@d.j.cantelli8074]

Sure his equipment and room has improved but the equipment doesn't make the artist. That's like telling a photographer "you take great photos, it must be because you have a great camera". Or telling a chef "This meal is delicious, you must use the best pots and pans to get the food to taste this good. "

[@Hoptronics]

I was thinking that. Clearly he came from some reasonable amount of means. His parents have a nice house. They are still married. He's amazing nonetheless. And his parents encouraged it clearly.

[@Leemossbutcher]

@@d.j.cantelli8074 my equipment was so bad for my playing because it moved when I used it, broke when I played it, my sticks I played with were half broken and the skins had no rebound because they were dogshit with potholes all over them. Plus this guy has a supportive family and a nice space to play his drums. The difference is night and day 😂

[@GunnarWieking]

This is such an important message and I’m thankful that you brought that to the public. It is something that should be clear but is often forgotten in times one can get everything every time. Thanks.

[@MartinMillerGuitar]

Well said! Eres una bestia :D

[@kaiserbach1231]

What!!! We gonna see a Marck Miller's feat estepario siberiano medley???

[@timpie9346]

I am very satisfied with being just a "hobby drummer" for over 15 years. Yes, I want to improve and I do practice, but ultimately, it's about my personal enjoyment and my priorities lie elsewhere. Playing the drums is relaxation, a way to unwind, and a retreat for me. A word about "talent": I believe talent simply describes the starting point from which one begins something. However, talent alone never makes anyone the best at anything. It's at most a head start that can never replace practice and experience.

[@varela79]

Wow! Te e mirado por años en FB y tiktok y pense que eras realmente Siberiano! Nunca jamas pense que hablabas Español. No importa nada, nadamas me da gusto porque yo soy Mexicano. El lenguage de musica is mundial y estoy de acuerdo contigo - practica hace perfeccion!

[@Pacha-WhiteTrash]

si fuese siberiano escribiria su apodo en ruso. jaja "Сибирская степь"

[@billybizzuca8653]

Thank you so much for your words. I used to play drums badly, but as you said I will focus on my goal which is cooking and selling my delicious brownies. People realy make compliments about it.

[@sergioosorio416]

Estepario! Personalmente pienso que el talento sí que existe. Igual que hay gente que tiene una facilidad innata para las matemáticas o los idiomas (por poner), pasa lo mismo con la música. Dicho esto, sí estoy totalmente de acuerdo en que para nada el talento es lo más importante. Quizá alguien con más facilidad llegue al mismo punto antes que tú, pero estoy convencido de que cualquiera puede llegar a ese punto si le echa las horas necesarias. Gracias por tus vídeos y tus reflexiones, que son de lo que más me gusta del canal. Un saludo!

[@fotero78]

de acuerdo.

[@bernardosandoval6911]

De acuerdo contigo, y si tienes un talento más horas de practica, te puedes volver brutalmente bueno

[@Turcomichael]

Definitely how you practice is going to have a profound effect on the end result. The time/ effort, attention to detail, pushing yourself, etc. At the end of the day, it is developing muscle memory and your Brian to feed your creativity. Beyond that, there are people that just have a natural affinity or talent that is not something that can necessarily be learned or taught. People that hear things a certain and unique way that is beyond what years of practice can provide. A modern day example of that I would say is Jacob Collier. He works extremely hard at his craft, but how he hears harmony and rhythm, it’s just incredible. So I definitely agree hard work is a big part of the equation. There is still that magical X factor that some people are frankly born with.

[@Drayenko]

Que risa la cantidad de gente que vio el video y no entendio el mensaje. En fin, muchas gracias. Tu trabajo es admirable.

[@drummerw17]

Exelente evolusion en tu trayectoria como baterista Estepario 👍🥁🎼🥁👍

[@kohelet910]

Men the maturity you had that early, and the effort you transformed into action deserves respects. Great inspiration ! 🙏

[@razhoumoon]

Him practicing when he was 16 is my life goal 🤣

[@bobbyfresher762]

Great video and message! This shit applies to every aspect of life. When I was young, I thought that you were either good at something and you would pick it up quickly or you just suck and its not for you, or I would plateau at something and think "well, this is the best im going to get", then stop. I passed on so many things that I was interested in bc I didn't pick it up immediately or didn't think I was getting better. I only figured out late in life that this was bullshit when I started training grappling/jiu jitsu, and I learned that the more you practice and dedicate your time, physical energy, and mental energy then the more you will improve - BUT it will NOT happen overnight! You can get great at anything you want, as long as you show up and dedicate yourself!

[@mateohora3252]

Estephario: "hace 8 años no tocaba una mierda" Yo reaccionando a el hacia 6 años: "Que bien toca no?"

[@Void-Knull]

"talent is a lie" >already 10x better than me in the first clip oh...

[@BreeMorenoMendozabrybry]

i think the fact that you played that good at the start is literally a perfect example of talent, the rest of your progress is an incredible display of what hard work and practice can do. talent isn’t a lie, you are perfect example of it.

[@joelbuff3254]

Couldn’t have said it better. Talent is not a lie, but practice will improve the naturally talented to this guys level. Other than talent is a lie, he was speaking all truth.

[@dochaze1]

Nah, guys I knew that started playing drums at 10 in school were that good at 17. That’s 7 years they were playing at that point. They loved it and played for hours each day. I bet he started as a child and just kept going and going.

[@BreeMorenoMendozabrybry]

@@dochaze1 i’m also an example. i’ve been playing for 11-12 years and if it weren’t for the immense hours i’ve put in learning drums, i wouldn’t be where i am. that still doesn’t mean talent doesn’t exist. that just means practice is the only thing that ACTUALLY matters.

[@obviousghost3186]

I like how you do things. Very cool and direct. Keep on killing it! I just discovered you recently.

[@viniwittke]

Never underestimate the power of hard work, but talent does exist. In your old video you play way better than people who have worked harder than you did at that age. That's because not only you work hard, but you're really talented.

[@lemiureelemiur3997]

I thought he was joking at first. But to be fair, the transformation is the transformation. Going from pure passionate playing to mixing in focused practice will take whatever talent you do have from low to high quality. Not only that, but learning proper technique allows you to avoid injury as well. Talent is talent though, ability to focus and practice intelligently can is one of them.

[@Opin10n]

Yeah he picked up drum sticks and was already a prodigy he didn't sink in 100s of hours in those earlier vids

[@viniwittke]

@@Opin10n For someone to call themselves "opinion" is already quite presumptuous, but you'd expect they at least would be able to interpret what they read. You clearly failed at that. Improve and then maybe your "opinion" won't be ridiculous. Or maybe you're just a kid, if you are I don't intend to be mean.

[@DreanPetruza]

Pero ya en el primer video a los 16 años ya eras una bestia. No sé cuánto te ha tomado llegar a ese nivel, pero yo creo que sí es talento.

[@Btrashtein]

Talento es un plus pero siempre y cuando se desarrolla alfinal todo es causalidad ..

[@jonnymambox9782]

Hijo de...

[@TomHawkYT]

@@Btrashtein Nelson, la casualidad no existe, eso es talento y que el no lo reconozca y diga que no tiene ni puta idea de que es la música es mentira, porque él sabe dentro de sí, que si es talentoso (Hablo de Estepario)

[@Btrashtein]

@@TomHawkYT por eso dije causalidad , causa - efecto si haces algo por ende obtendrás algo

[@DipsticksOfficial]

Once again, an amazingly talented person reveals the "secret" to getting extremely good at something. Hours and hours and hours of fucking practice 👍

[@AcapulKero]

Eres el master brother! Saludos desde Acapulco.

[@LanceWillMakeIt]

Be careful man, you have to realize when you say - "as you can see, my drumming freaking sucked" that you're actually saying anyone of your viewers who might currently be at that level **also** sucks. I know this isn't what you intended, but it's definitely something to keep in mind when roasting yourself love your drumming bro, keep going ✊

[@cirepf2011]

Estoy exactamente en la situación que pones en el video de hace 8 años. Muchísimas gracias por el video ❤️❤️❤️

[@zanewood4226]

I think people misplace talent with potential, the first clip shows how much potential he had, now look at him now, he's great!

[@JhonSaenz-dz1et]

Que video mi hermano ! Yo estoy comenzando en la batería y no tengo idea de música pero lograré estudiar lo mejor que pueda y hacer mi mejor esfuerzo con la batería, que motivación la que me haz dado y sé que a muchas personas también, vamos adelante con el proceso crack 🫡🤝

[@LanceWillMakeIt]

Talent isn't a lie. In **your specific situation** , though, it's obvious talent didn't bring you to the next level, it was your hard work. It varies from person to person. What do you think prodigys are? When a prodigy hops onto a drum set for the first time in his life and somehow sounds really good at it *for his age* , it's not like he got to that point with his instrument because he worked harder than his opponents, he was just born with the natural ability to play the drums well, AKA, **he was born with talent** Talent doesn't get activated, that **is** a lie. talent is only a word for when you're starting out. At the end of the day, every talented or normal person is **going to have to work hard if they want to be the best they can be.** Keep up the good work man

[@ghiblinerd6196]

This. 👆🏼

[@evanmcgregor145]

But even with 'prodigies' we are never shown how much they are practicing before that... little kid prodigies can still put in 100s and even 1000s hours of practice before we see them play. Some other prodigies who apparently have sat down at an instrument and played it really well on the first or second go often have mastered another instrument (with 100s of hours of practice). Anyone who plays an instrument really well knows how much easier it is to play another related instrument without too much practice. Maybe there are some other cases where people have truly have never played an instrument before and suddenly they can play something amazingly well, but I think they are a lot, lot rarer than we are often led to believe.

[@ghiblinerd6196]

@@evanmcgregor145 little kid prodigies haven’t been alive long enough to put in hundreds or thousands of hours of practice in. www.ksl.com/article/46767472/have-you-seen-this-5-year-old-drummer-will-melt-your-face-off Do you think in five years from birth including time to sleep, play, toilet train etc that this kid was formally trained in music and put hundreds or thousands of hours in?! I think Those polyrhythms he instinctively knew how to play on the hats proves “no.”

[@evanmcgregor145]

​@@ghiblinerd6196 Well, let's just do the quick math on that. e.g. 5 year old kid spends 5 hours a day (not unrealistic) playing drums from the age of 2. 5 x 365 x 3 = 5475 hours. Even if they are doing 2 hours a day of playing that's 2190 hours. There you go, thousands of hours of practice. In some cases its probably more than that. And this sort of 'practice' regime is not uncommon. Of course it's not really proper 'practice' when they start at 2 but you can progress and learn sooo much at that age. 2 and 3 year olds are actually great at mimicking (even if its a simplified version) so that by the time they've built that really solid foundation, they can then do amazing things by the time they are 4-5. People also forget that ANYTHING you learn when you are really young becomes heavily internalised and you will generally be MUCH better at it than an adult who did the same hours later in life, because of the way our brains work. e.g. We know that if you learn a language when you are under 5 - it's far easier for you to master it than when you are older. Same goes for anything such as learning an instrument. Of course, most people don't start instruments when they are 3, so we see far less prodigies. Again, my main point is that if any one of us did 5000 hours of practice on any instruments- people would go 'wow!! they are so talented!!' because we always overlook the amount of time that goes into something. We also like to champion this idea of amazing naturally talented people in society, it's like the archetypal superhero story that its churned out again and again, but I think it is largely a social construct (not completely, but largely). Yes of course, some people who practiced for 5000 hours will be better than others who practiced for 5000 hours, but it's also a n enormous oversimplification to say 'oh that's due to some innate genetic ability'... Yes, there may be genetic predispositions towards particular behaviours which compliment music learning, but the simplified idea of innate musical talent that is espoused so frequently in day to day conversation-- ZERO actual evidence of this.

[@TheGwopboyzprodigy]

Talent isn’t a lie, Some people just naturally adapt to things so incredibly fast that it’s awe-inspiring. The issue comes when it’s used as a way to downplay hard work and determination. Saying you’re just naturally talented would be applicable to this. You’ve earned your experience through training

[@less2worryabout]

You insinuate some adapt unnaturally with your comment. Can you name one item in the universe that is not a part of the natural order of all things?

[@breakfreak3181]

Exactly! Natural talent is real, but you *still* have to put the work in to reach the top!

[@reverieofmusic436]

@@less2worryabout No, he insinuates that it comes more naturally to some than others, not that something is out of the natural order. Jesus, please try less hard to be edgy.

[@less2worryabout]

@@reverieofmusic436 figures you a jesus user would say something negative about it. Your man you've never seen has got your mental capacity Inhabited permanently. So separated from real life as to not notice you have been lied to so you propagate It. Learn something aside from your jesus book.

[@less2worryabout]

@@reverieofmusic436 you insinuate your thinking but ......

[@USMiner]

He's naturally talented whether he believes it or not. It's pretty clear listening to him at 16 years old that he's already better than a lot of drummers who've practiced for 15 years, yet he said he didn't practice at all and was just hobby playing. That's the definition of natural talent. His dedication to practice increased his _technical skill_ though - that's what only comes through hard work, and his technical skill is off the charts from all the practice he's put in.

[@oriolsabater1524]

Reviewing old videos I bumped into this one. You are mostly right, as people confused “some natural skills” with talent… it may allow you to progress faster, but work is still at the base. I also admire your translating TALENT 😂

[@franktherabbit42]

I think natural talent exists and will get you places. But hard work and dedication will allow you to harness alot more out of a natural ability. You're insanely good not only as a musician but your dedication has quite clearly paid off.