Elf Sauron Kisses Shelob & Turns Her Into Spider Monster Scene 4K ULTRA HD Action

[@dracosamm]

so this is *Shelob* before becoming the *Spider MonStEr* in the *Return of the King* makes........ perfect senssssse!

[@umutcelik3781]

no it's not. this game is not canon.

[@ayalovesgaming599]

@@umutcelik3781 yes it is

[@umutcelik3781]

@@ayalovesgaming599 uhm.. no its not? check your facts before opposing.

[@maironannatar8249]

@@ayalovesgaming599 even the movies are not canon. The only canon are the books of the Tolkien Estate.

[@favidcooljay4862]

@@ayalovesgaming599 where's your source to back this claim?? Facebook?? Instagram??Snapchat?? ....dumbass

[@lezofinzo6858]

I love how armed guards are apparently the most harmless group of people in cinematic history

[@MikeLinPA]

If only Sam was there to help...

[@atpnet]

In all fairness they are all wearing Red Shirts underneath their armor, they were bound to die.

[@willieoelkers5568]

I remember one book where they called this out. Their evil boss had just called them in to seize one guy, and they all refused and started listing off all the things that happen when a group of flunkies are called in and told to seize that man. The fact that he was smiling only made it worse. Ironically, this instance was a subversion and the guy actually went without a fight.

[@dontwitty1656]

You for got the storm troopers

[@Thortawar]

@@willieoelkers5568 Sounds like a Terry Pratchet book iirc

[@kitsune9076]

"i never mentioned this before but, shelob can also transform into a totally hot babe" -tolkien

[@dragonlordskater5028]

A haega eðge

[@Rangure02]

@@dragonlordskater5028 A real sexy bitch

[@yezki8]

"I want to visualize Sauron's pure evilness by making him have premarital sex with a spider"

[@stuartwiner7920]

There it is on the internet, so it must be true.

[@nonenonymous]

Her mom can transform into a human so why not her

[@mossy642]

For those wondering: in Tolkien literary cannon, Shelob is the last child of Ungoliant, the first spider, who drank the sap from the tree of light, and created Unlight. Shelob is much older than Sauron, and has never been anything other than a giant spider. Nothing to do with Sauron, except a vague alliance with Melkor/Morgoth, the dark God in Tolkien continuity. Edit: okay, older than the corruption of Mairon to become Sauron. Not older than the entity, as he is a Maiar, but older than that entity’s corruption into becoming essentially a new being in Sauron. Edit 2, because Silmarillion. Not older than Sauron, as he is part of the lesser choir, the Maiar present at creation. Will leave incorrect info up to give context to replies. TOLKEIN FORGIVE ME!!!!!

[@sailor-trash1638]

She isn’t older than Sauron. Sauron existed before the world was created. She was around before Sauron became the Dark Lord though.

[@chancejewson1516]

@@sailor-trash1638 are you sure about that? I think you got sauron's master confused with him. I genuinely dont know and curious.

[@ferdinandmurillojr.301]

@@sailor-trash1638 Oh yeah, he is way older than Shelob, and correct me if I am wrong but wasn't Sauron part of the first beings?

[@slavj]

@@chancejewson1516 absolutely sure. The Maiar existed before the Trees of Valinor, that includes Sauron. In fact the Maiar were around even during the time of the two lamps (which preceded the Trees of Valinor, who were created from the remains of the lamps). All in all, Sauron and the other Maiar are 10s of thousands of years older than Shelob.

[@Erikjust]

Also in that scene it is implied that Sauron and Shelob might have had a sexual relationship. While Maiar´s most certainly could marry and reproduce (see Thingol´s marriage to the Maiar Melian), i very much doubt Sauron was ever in the mood to marry anyone much less actually having carnal relationships. It doesn´t seem to be in his nature, Sauron desires always seems to be that he wanted to rule all living creatures of middle earth. Rule them like a king rules over his subjects and nothing else. So yeah i VERY much doubt Sauron would have had a sexual relationship with anyone spider or not.

[@GuzQuebec]

She always was a monster spider. When i played the games i didn't interpretate like Sauron had turned her into Spider. More like he, being a master of disguises, a shapeshifterby himself, had given her that woman form. And she was think they were equals, while he was using her like his pawn. Love this game!

[@ShaferScott]

I don’t know why this game decided they needed to turn Shelob the spider into a hot chick, she was always a spider.

[@Afreshio]

Yup, this is dumb. Or retconing a twin ring of the One Ring. Kinda contradictory and butchers all the lore related to the One Ring, made by Sauron.

[@fatedestiny1397]

I read the book many years ago and remember something about Shelob once being a woman.

[@alienx3222]

@@Afreshio stop fanboying. You seem to fear a good looking woman by the sound of it 💀

[@ahmedkhaled8719]

Name of the game pls

[@marcsimon6251]

@@ahmedkhaled8719 shadow of war

[@VitchAndVorty]

Shelob be like: "I can change him!"

[@symbolitical4158]

female moment being attracted to badies be like:

[@thelaw6267]

Guyladriel's turn to say that xD.

[@antar7475]

Typical gurls going with a monster thinking they can tame it.

[@Percival-kl9yy]

​@@antar7475 *Typical gurls don't get with monsters to tame the monster - the typical gurls get with the monster to be treated badly by the monster - because they're not smart.*

[@Alucardsspouse]

@@antar7475I can tame him

[@NinjaSushi2]

Well that was cool. That's an interesting portrayal of how Shelob came to be. If anyone is wondering Shelob is actually one of the many daughters of Ungoliant, a spirit from the void that manifested the form of a giant spider. This is not how Shelob came to be though. She is part of Ungoliant and may be one of the nameless things; an ancient evil older than Middle Earth itself.

[@cavok84]

I thought he had just betrayed her and she reverted back to her true form in her rage. Honestly, I never got from the cinematics that he had turned her into a spider...

[@4shm3x]

She has only ever had one form anyway, the game made some silly changes to the lore.

[@cavok84]

@@4shm3x Very true, but my message was regarding the notion that in the game Sauron inflicted curse-of-spider upon Shelob; and to that, I’d say it isn’t clear to me. I always thought, at that moment, she dropped/lost the bit of unremarkable magic she used to appear human

[@OK-yy6qz]

Yeah that would make more sense, if she betrayed her and switched sides he wouldn't have a reason to make her stronger by turning her into a spider monster

[@4shm3x]

@@cavok84 No fellah she is the daughter of Ungoliant z who was one of Melkor's commanders. (Melkor was Sauron's lord before he was sent to the abyss)

[@cavok84]

@@4shm3x yes I know that. I’d bet most people viewing these comments know that. I’m talking about from the perspective of THIS game’s cinematics. If that doesn’t clear it up, I don’t know what will. Furthermore, my last comment was arguing AGAINST the idea that Sauron turned her into a spider.

[@jking6904]

Though the story wasn't cannon i still enjoyed this game very much, both of them actually. I don't have a problem with a game going off script it's been done before and has been praised for it like Star wars the force unleashed

[@landoc808]

Honestly, the game, although not being canon, has piqued my interest in Tolkien’s body of work. Aside from reading The Hobbit halfway through for class, I’ve never looked into or have seen LOTR, etc.

[@michaelkimberling7307]

The force unleashed was canon until Disney bought Lucas film. It was unfortunately just not Canon very long. There are some theories that the main character Galen Marek/Starkiller influenced Cal Kestis to an extent. And perhaps the hallway scene with Darth Maul in the clone wars tv show.

[@mycaleb8]

The force unleashed is dumb too.

[@jordanturner7917]

Talions story should have been the new TV series

[@mycaleb8]

@@jordanturner7917 Ew no

[@Delicashilous]

Sauron really a badass in his elf Form.

[@wolfflamekindl9339]

For those of you wondering, while this isnt Canon, it still ties in to canon rather well if you do more than watch a cutscene. Dauron didn't turn Shelob into a spider; she always was one and this is mentioned in the texts of each shelob memory web in the codex. She simply disliked that form, and despite the power it held, the longer she was in that true form, the more her hatred of sauron and/or light robbed her of reason... making her more like ungoliant with each moment. Sauron's betrayal sent her over the edge, using it more and more until Shelob became what she was in the events of The Return of the King.

[@WallsAndFoundations]

You are appreciated. This was some Tolkien knowledge I never knew about... just thought Shelob was a giant spider

[@mabdam3799]

When you said 'Disliked that form' is it her human form or her spider form?

[@nightdriver7216]

@@mabdam3799 Spider form.

[@alexandregrand-pierre1981]

This actually makes a whole lot of sense and does reconcile the game with the rest of the franchise, even if it ends up to just be head canon

[@crimsonthumos3905]

The entire game conflicts with Tolkien's basic philosophical views of good and evil

[@edgardtheknowledgekeeper3119]

I think some people are overreacting a bit. They’re definitely twisting Tolkien’s lore but the writers of the games were aware of his lore. The reason they had Shelob transform back and forth in the form of a woman and a spider is because the Silmarillion and I believe even the Lotr books refer to Ungoliant and Shelob as beings in the form of spiders rather than actual spiders. They’re ancient spirits, primordial entities so they’re toying with the idea of them being able to change form. I don’t think they’re necessarily saying the elven form is his true form. His form as an elf Annatar the lord of gifts by lore lore is a form he uses to gain trust in others so they just made it his default form for manipulation.

[@TS-cn9jp]

You are correct that Ungoliant was or is a primordial entity so I would think that she could choose whatever form suited her. Shelob however, would be more of a “demigod” who may or may not have had any supernatural abilities. We know that she had a very long life span and was massive in size but that is all we know for sure of her abilities. Also, Ungoliant is said to have matted with the great spiders of Nan Dungortheb. So I doubt she would have the ability to shift between forms. Interesting concept though.

[@edgardtheknowledgekeeper3119]

@@TS-cn9jp Yeah I’m not inherently agreeing that she does change form just that there’s enough room in implications from lore that they may, I’m not saying the game’s writing isn’t bad, just that the concept of Ungoliant or Shelob changing form isn’t inherently bad or invalid.

[@MrSRA13]

@@edgardtheknowledgekeeper3119 Ungoliant less so as she was something that came from outside Arda I'm the form of a giant spider. Shelob however, far too many liberties were taken. Essentially fun fan fiction.

[@oddish2253]

Shelob being betrayed by a guy who literally have the nickname great deceiver is the same as death by cancer via giant crab.

[@TS-cn9jp]

Oh and your argument about Sauron’s true form not being an elf is also correct. He was a shape shifter like all Maia and Vala but lost the ability. I may be wrong but I think he lost his ability to shape shift after Numenore was destroyed? Any way I believe the books talk about him assuming the forms of a werewolf, vampire, and human at some point in addition to becoming an elf to trick Celebrimbor.

[@saintbutunholy]

Can we all stop for a little bit and admire how beautiful Sauron is in his Annatar form? ... well done! 🖤🔥 Now let's hope that his representation in the Series will be something similar, because creators are really nailed his appearance here!

[@Disableddonkeys88]

True but then they told the lore to fuck off and made their own

[@Triumph2727]

And Shelob! 🖤

[@LethalOwl]

The Amazon series will be total garbage

[@unamusedcaveman9235]

@@LethalOwl The woke religion destroys everything in its path

[@devilpupbear09]

Villains are often portrayed as beautiful before turning evil

[@stepanserdyuk4589]

I actually liked the idea of Shelob as a female seductress. Kind of fits as a Beowulf reference in a Tolkien's Skandinavian-inspired mythos.

[@ilium6740]

The definitely a little but of ancient greek myth influence in this too, reminds the of Medusa and the Gorgons and other people who got turned into monsters or beasts because of spiteful Gods.

[@anthonymartinez-thomas4228]

Imagine that hurt the mother Having a child with him

[@codybaggett5329]

@@ilium6740 arachne....look up arachne.

[@ilium6740]

@@codybaggett5329 i remember her now, that must have been what I was thinking of.

[@midgetydeath]

She was born as a spider monster to a spider monster, though.

[@A-G-A-G]

I love how these cinematically are shot- with the quick zooms and cuts

[@Canadianvoice]

Regardless of canon or not this is a fun interpretation of two amazing characters from a deep lore.

[@TheOskiBoski]

deep love

[@williameckhart8263]

Best part of this- this never actually even tried to considered itself canon. If only this was true for some other recent media product.

[@nobody-wk6ej]

I like this interpretation of Shelob, honestly.

[@kaputt_jay3873]

Everyone talking about Shelob being "hot" but no one talking about Sauron 😳

[@Kynokefalos]

Sacrifices must be made.

[@utkuardaakinci]

@@Kynokefalos lmao you got me here

[@kotarojujo2737]

Btw sexy sauron is canon in the books

[@coolshah1662]

Yup, sauron is hot ef, and that's canon, too!

[@AnneLiu-b7f]

Sauron literally looks hotter than her here

[@deckwardens]

He didn’t turn her into a spider she just has a spider form, he abandoned her to the kings March to corrupt the king convincing him that she was the sole enemy thus betraying her. She chose spider out of hatred

[@immortal_jairo88]

Elf Sauron is NOT an elf. He's a Maiar, a spirit of less degree, The People of the Valar. He's name was Mairon. Shelob was NOT a human form. She was born a spider, descended from Ungoliant, the mother of all spiders that she mate with a foul creature that Melkor wrought. And finally Sauron and Shelob were never together ruling Mordor. Sauron would have got rid of her but he let her stay in her lair where is the secret entrance of Mordor so if anyone tried to trespass they would be devour by Shelob.

[@gliath888]

Another thing to note, is that Sauron would send her Orcs to eat to keep her sated. He considered her a useful pet. Frodo and Sam find remnants of armor strewn around Shelob's lair and the Orcs that find Frodo after he is stung are fully aware of her presence and check up on her from time to time.

[@immortal_jairo88]

@@gliath888 you're absolutely correct, I remember that part, is true that she eats orc to keep her alive, and she's tired eating them. She wants elf and man blood.

[@Mrikeepgettinmoneyagain]

He should've impregnated an elven princess or maiden that child would probably be OP asf.

[@richardshiflett5181]

Glad this isn't canon

[@Mrikeepgettinmoneyagain]

@@richardshiflett5181 why u niggas love to hate ???

[@NicooAngelo]

Y'all can say what you wanna say about the Shadow games but they were fun as hell and one of the best game releases of it's time. The nemesis system is still one of the most revolutionary things to come out of modern gameplay.

[@AlaricLovell]

Finally someone who appreciates a good game

[@shardperson3777]

So, something not obvious at first glance: they didn't make up this story just because they wanted, Tolkien State never sold the rights to the Silmarillion, so they can't actually pull any character's backstory from there, they have to make up new ones, and they also have to avoid making their canon too similar to the Silmarillion canon, or they could be shut down for copyright infringement.

[@Doctor-Stoppage]

I like this twist. It doesn't line up with the books buts it's still creative and entertaining. These games have far superior writing to that Amazon show that shall not be named.

[@skrywar7598]

😂😂😂😂 that shall not be named? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@favidcooljay4862]

The dark lord ain't no simp

[@emilykaldwin3081]

The dark lord is sigma male

[@skrywar7598]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@julianaparkog7103]

LMAO

[@EaglebeakGaming]

still makes more sense than the rings of power

[@dootpooter4740]

WE WUZ RANGS

[@FirstnameLastname-my7bz]

@@dootpooter4740 but also feces

[@dr.feelgoodmalusphillips2475]

Not it really doesn't. You only like this cause it looks sexy.

[@TheStraightestWhitest]

​@@dr.feelgoodmalusphillips2475 This definitely makes more sense than Rings of Power. This is a retcon, but not a tenth as bad as just about anything ROP did.

[@dr.feelgoodmalusphillips2475]

@TheStraightestWhitest Two different shades of turds are still turds. This isn't a retcon either it's a bastardisation, same as Rings of Power.

[@etazeta674]

When Tolkien said Sauron saw Shelob as his pet cat, I don't think this is what he had in mind

[@ainsleyharriot6060]

his discord kitten

[@opticalraven1935]

Hilariously, Sauron actually liked Shelob and jokingly called his "cat" because she gaurded the mountain pass.

[@ustalaya9309]

Why is Sauron so HOT!?!?!?!?!

[@coolshah1662]

Eh, it's canon.

[@Winter-gf9nt]

"Damn it...just when I thought Elf Sauron was a simp"

[@viktordomak6281]

Tolkien is rotating in his grave.

[@fabioartoscassone9305]

a rotation can bring Beleriand back from the deep sea, probably

[@akatsukicloak]

Bruh. This game doesnt make itself canon. Take a chill pill.

[@hadeseye2297]

And my dong is rotating in my pants.

[@joseneto5833]

Now because of the amazon series.

[@Gentleman_Orange]

I don't think he was a dumb whiner like purists.

[@dutchvanderlinde9304]

0:22 Dmn yeah, sacrifices must be made! Play the squirrel card, Shelob! Now play your stoat! Stoats cost 1 blood!

[@Nugnugnug]

What the fuck are you talking about?

[@alexmercer8852]

He's high. Dont blame him

[@spearsage]

@@Nugnugnug a reference to a game called Inscryption.

[@BrandanLee]

2 bones for you.

[@BJenno]

Apparently Ungoliant was a corrupted Maia; but she wanted no allegiance with Morgoth. What got her to cooperate with him was the promise to fulfil her insatiable hunger, and that leads the death of the Two Trees; but that just increased her hunger even more, leading her to grow bigger and bigger, belching out black vapours. But then she wanted more; so she wanted to feed on the Silmarils. But it was stopped by Balrogs who heard Morgoth’s shrieking. She fled, and dwelled in Nan Dungortheb, where she birthed her offspring, and amongst them was Shelob. None don’t know about the fate of Ungoliant; but some say that her hunger was so great that she devoured herself; and some believed her offspring feasted on her.

[@bobo577]

Yep, that’s Ungoliant in a nutshell although her status as a Maia is debated.

[@SosaL432]

I believe that ungoliant was a darkness that came from the song of the ainur in morgoths own twisted singing, therefore I think she is a being made from the darkness of the song of the ainur, I also think ungoliant and the nameless things are the same species.

[@machinech183]

It fits nicely in the context of the story presented by the game and frankly made a nice twist to her character. I grew up with Tolkien and read the entire series several dozen times. I can live with this. If the "that's not cannon" panty twisters want to pop a cork over something, they should head over to Amazon and give them a chat. Now that abomination deserves burning.

[@dildonius]

Why?

[@loganb7059]

@@dildonius why what? Why do they give this a pass or why does the Amazon show deserve burning?

[@dr.feelgoodmalusphillips2475]

Both are terrible adaptions and both deserve to burn.

[@christanbranch5811]

I mean from the new stuff they've put out for the series it looks good. The only thing that can make it bad is the writing cause the graphics are on point

[@loganb7059]

@@christanbranch5811 let’s face it, considering how low the bar has dropped for writing in the past few years, the Rings of Power will be surprising if it goes above 3/10 in writing. Edit: I CALLED IT!

[@Makkaru112]

She’s direct child of Ungoliant. You’d think she could take on the weakened Sauron and eat him up like her mother drank the very lifeforce of the two trees

[@Tater2000]

I seem to remember that, in the Silmarillion, it insinuates that Shelob and the spiders of Mirkwood are descendants of Ungoliant. A huge spider from the First Age/Age Of The Trees who could eat the Silmarils, and wanted all of them. Melkor cheated her out of them and she crawled away to spawn more spiders.

[@danyelpeter1376]

No she betrayed him he never agreed to give her the Silmarills

[@iddodavni]

This is some quality horror material right there.

[@dumb.luck36]

I mean yeah she’s an attractive goth but in the books she was always a spider and her mother was a primordial allied to melkor but hey at least whoever designed her has good taste lol

[@tiffanywyatt5137]

So I think the best thing about both games was the nemesis system. That being said I think the story is better in the first one,even though both games stories are weak. I also think the artifacts to collect in the first are better too since they tell you the lore about different things. Like the blue wizards the relationship between orcs and spiders and so forth. Plus shadow of Mordor was such a delightful game since I didn't think it was gonna be so good and it was the first game I got when I got an Xbox one,

[@invidatauro8922]

I think the reason this is more digestible than say rings of power is that the creators are very open about these games basically being fan fiction

[@sleepyboi5731]

Okay for those complaining SHELOB HAD SOME OF HER MOTHERS POWERS!!!!!!!! Just because her having humanform wasnt relevant to LOTR doesnt mean she didnt have one. Plus the person who voiced her helped create this version of her & her family (grandfather I think) was friends with JRR Tolkien himself!

[@thekrazyhatter5063]

So what you are saying that this should be considered cannon even if it's a fan film

[@sleepyboi5731]

@@thekrazyhatter5063 it's a game & people can take as it whatever they want. I'm just saying that canonically Shelob DOES have some of her mothers powers & therefore this COULD be canon

[@KimDunselo]

The game concept is 1 million % better than the rings of power lol

[@herohonda4183]

So what you’re saying is that this game’s writers are better than Tolkien? Because Rings of power is vastly more accurate to the books than these games are

[@aengusog3415]

This is actually crazy because rings of power is more canon than this……

[@KimDunselo]

@@herohonda4183 hahahaha rings of power? More accurate? Elrond kissing Galadriel? Ahahahaha. Tolkien is incomparable, he’s like gazillion % better than himself but what comes next is PJ’s movie versions and then the EA games and then the WB games and then the monolith games and then amazo erm nope amazon’s ring of power is out of the picture, I think that’s a game of thrones prequel or something else’s but not of Tolkien’s.

[@KimDunselo]

@@aengusog3415 no it isn’t

[@herohonda4183]

@@KimDunselo if you were someone who read the books instead of seeing YT videos then you’d know that rings of power (even with all its liberties) is in fact far more accurate to the books than the games are

[@paytoncommack5209]

puts into context just how cracked Samwise is at traversing the Meta😮‍💨

[@bencurran3204]

Sorry, I'm a retard ,wdym

[@VenomtheOne]

This game is phenomenal......as long as you turn off your brain on the story.

[@semp224]

Agreed

[@Kyubii01]

So it’s not ?

[@metalsadman]

@@Kyubii01 lore wise, lots of tuff were not canon.

[@Elojoquenoparpadea22]

What game is this?

[@VenomtheOne]

@@Elojoquenoparpadea22 Middle-Earth Shadow of War

Sauron is not a simp 😂

[@skrywar7598]

😂😂😂😂👍 agreed, bro, agreed lol xD

[@zefini]

Wasn't Shelob, Child of Ungoliant? Like she was a spider-like creature since she was born

[@superblahman]

Shelob was a daughter of Ungoliant, an ancient creature, possibly a fallen Ainur, or some kind of primordial beast, that was a giant spider. Shelob was always a Spider, always... Whoever thought up Shelob as a human, and thought Sauron would... kiss her... They do not know Tolkien's work at all. I hate these games, so badly written.

[@W1ckedRcL]

Ungoliant, and by extension Shelob, weren't actually 'spiders'. According to Tolkien's lore in the Silmarillion and other writings Ungoliant was a creature that took the form of a giant spider. So she was likely some form of powerful entity that COULD shape-shift, and chose to be a spider. Do I actually think either of them ever actually took human form in Tolkien's lore? No not really. But you have to give the game devs some wiggle room so they can make the game. They did do a lot of research into the lore and the legendarium to stay as close as they could to Tolkien's writing. It's a BIG stretch but it is plausible according to the lore.

[@noxloki7492]

Dont be such a fanboy.

[@superblahman]

@@W1ckedRcL Ungoliant mated with the giant spiders, and made Shelob.

[@superblahman]

@@noxloki7492 I can be whatever I want to be. Go fuck yourself.

[@rocketraccoon1976]

1000X better than any scene in Rings of Power!

[@Lugbzurg]

This is such a cool style of editing and cinematography!

[@JWilliamsLangley]

Samwise: "Well, my sweet Rosie is, like, MILES away, soooo I'm down, if, uh, that is, uh, you are, m'lady...deez achin', an' all that." Shelob: "Deez?" Sauron: "OH FFS don't just walk into it like that!"

[@thescottishviking1504]

Okay so this annoys me because shelob was the daughter of Ungoliant, the mother of the spiders. So why the fuck is Sauron "turning her into a spider" when she already a fucking spider.

[@aaditkhan728]

Yeah it doesn't make any sense.I wasn't annoyed but i was kinda amused that sauron is turning a spider into a spider😂😂

[@KarusMBII]

He didn't. The video is just stupidly titled. In the game, it's never mentioned that Sauron was responsible for her being a spider. The only thing that we get is this cutscene, which implies by itself that Shelob turned herself into a spider to kill everyone in the room and then go do whatever. Sauron didn't change her into the spider.

[@thescottishviking1504]

@@KarusMBII poorly laid out video then I guess, because we know from the Silmarrillion that she is the daughter of Ungoliant.

[@thescottishviking1504]

@@aaditkhan728 LOL yeah I'm a nerd so it almost physically hurt 🤣

[@cosesu8929]

@@thescottishviking1504 In-game entries about Shelob says she was always a spider but preferred to look human. So this scene was showing that he betrayed her not that he turned her. She just slightly regressed because of her anger and took it out on the soldiers. Note on her shapeshifting: They took creative liberties with her being able to shapeshift because 1) Sauron could do it, 2) Ungoliant was a spirit or whatever and took the form of a spider so it's possible Ungoliant could shapeshift. (As far I remember Ungoliant's creation and powers are vague enough that you _could_ conclude that it's possible she could shapeshift so why couldn't here most powerful offspring shapeshift also.)

[@tedbourchert5986]

Shelob is the distant progeny of Ungoliant. She was always a spider thing but may have been able to change forms as could ungoliant. Sauron did not change her into anything.

[@arcon97]

Next vid of his they suggested was about how Sauron turned Isildur into Nazgul. Seems all this is off canon stuff.

[@tedbourchert5986]

From the looks of things he may be involved with The Rings of Power. Seem to be on about the same level of inaccuracies.

[@hadeseye2297]

Death sentence for Sauron for turning this great looking lady into spider from The Cure's Lullaby.

[@Gentleman_Orange]

@@arcon97 games have always been non canon adaptations, like with Starkiller.

[@kaputt_jay3873]

"She was always a spider thing" XD

[@marine12324]

Single handily takes on a large group of highly trained soldiers in armor and turns in a more powerful giant spider…..gets dunked on by a hobbit

[@TheLanceUppercut]

Not just ANY hobbit though.

[@Nite-Mite]

Still better than what we’re getting in Rings of Power.

[@MegaKnight2012]

Someone kissing Shelob, even if its Sauron, always sounds so unsettling

[@IamPantheR]

She is beautiful! Even in a spider form!

[@56byrnes]

This dude be simpin for shelob damn

[@Fame_Rate]

@@56byrnes *me thinking about creating a shelob onlyfans*

[@-Vektron]

Beautiful? XD

[@darkastrumene]

So you're into that kind of thing? Like animal? wkwkw

[@eldergod4817]

Iam pretty sure you give money to twitch T|πots

[@zoichikanoe6242]

Shelob was already a "monster" somewhat from the start, being the spawn of Ungolianth, a primordial shadow spirit, this already shaped as a gargantuan spider ages before making spawns, during the first epoch. That said, they are both shadow spirits who, after being corrupted, by their own obsessions or by others, ended up losing control of themselves and their shape-shifting abilities. As all the ancient spirit (the spirits then after called Balrogs, before being corrupted by Morgoth, himself too, are no exception), they had a humanoid shape or/and a control on their physical form, depending by their greatness, as long as they got some real control on themselves and their powers, once losing that control they are just monsters.

[@curtiscarnahan6580]

She is the daughter of ungoliant and was always a spider.

[@Bapuji42]

I love how she turns into a spider monster in a cut between shots.

[@kauyanDJ]

Everyone: Shelob was a spider all along!!😡 Me: Realized that even Sauron had a girlfriend, and I hadn't. 😳

[@Ryusikyungsololookism]

Sauron is still hotter than you

[@CT-nb5lm]

WHAT No way! She is the daughter of The Great Spider Ungolia. She was always Spider. I played SHADOW of WAR 3 times & always viewed the scene as her anger brought the spider form back out. *Her & Her mom Angolient are magical af.

[@KarusMBII]

I think you're right, the uploader just titled the video in a stupid way. No idea why he/she did that, lol.

[@cosesu8929]

@@KarusMBII probably to get all the hurt fanboys to comment

[@samh-6]

Shelob is the daughter of Angoliant (I prolly spelled that wrong) but Angoliant was a ginormous spider monster that spawned a bunch of little shelobs, all but her are dead now, she hates Sauron simply for ghosting her

[@xXSilentAgent47Xx]

She looks more gorgeous in cinematic scene than in game. But beauty doesn't judge the character being good. Beauty blinds us all and we easily be manipulated from their claws. Sometime not, sometime yes.

[@SumoSuperemo]

Who better than you would know this agent 47.

[@manasdas9461]

Game name?

[@notcheese8177]

@@manasdas9461 shadow of war

[@truesoulghost2777]

Deep

[@TheLuisaco]

NO, Shelob is not a spirit, it is just a spider, bred by Ungoliant in First Age, in Ered Gorgoroth (Beleriand)

[@przemysawwojcik895]

Kto czytał Silmarilion ten powinien wiedzieć, że twórcą Szeloby była Ungolianta. Sauron nie był elfem tak na marginesie...

[@nikitos9113]

these videos from the game are much cooler than the entire series Rings of Power

[@MarkFilipAnthony]

despite inventing totally new stuff, this gane still feels more Tolkien Rings of power 😂

[@Dreamworx100]

Great storyline and writing makes the game look interesting!

[@grimmy2313]

I was really hoping to see Shelob face Sauron with the new Ring of Power. lol

[@artemis5265]

Im pretty sure shelob was already a spider god monster before she met sauron

[@unamusedcaveman9235]

I don't think Shelob ever met Sauron in the books. She was simply his pet that lived in the mountain caves, guarding the secret entrance to Mordor.

[@cosesu8929]

Late reply. In-game entries about Shelob says she was always a spider but preferred to look human. So this scene was showing that he betrayed her not that he turned her. She just slightly regressed because of her anger and took it out on the soldiers. Note on her shapeshifting: They took creative liberties with her being able to shapeshift because 1) Sauron could do it, 2) Ungoliant was a spirit or whatever and took the form of a spider so it's possible Ungoliant could shapeshift. (As far I remember Ungoliant's creation and powers are vague enough that you _could_ conclude that it's possible she could shapeshift so why couldn't here most powerful offspring shapeshift also.)

[@DgardsGaming]

Sauron just made enemies all over the place

[@Ihere123]

"Shelob paralyzes her prey, then...she does her way with them!"

[@grantponciano9386]

I'd still take this over Rings of Power tho...

[@alexsolomon8127]

If I remember my Simarillon correctly....Ungoilant, Shelob's ancestor, was a demon from the outer darkness... one of the THINGS outside of creation that Morgoth sometimes talked to before his fall. Morgoth tempted Ungoilant into middle earth to drain the power form the two trees, and the Simarils....but her appitite proved too unquenchable, and she darn near ate Morgoth as well. (he was rescued by a small army of Balrog) Now while it is true that Shelob was never anything but a spider in tolkien's official work...i'll toss the creators of this game a bone. and admit this IS a power she MIGHT have had. Morgoth, Sauron, and all the Maiar could take on other forms after all...who's to say Ungoilant or one of her spawn could not as well? It makes for a decent story at least, and is less insulting that the crap they're trying to pull over in Rings of Power.

[@skullkid3350]

non canon, but way better than amazon has done

[@rexmagi4606]

These titles are so good.

[@michaelsouslin891]

No matter if Sauron turned her into an actual spider or not he is truly an evil bastard and that only makes it better that Golem is the reason he is destroyed giving Golem the ultimate victory over that which corrupted him from an innocent river person even if it meant his death, we can only b so lucky to go out destroying that which destroyed us during our lives

[@jonahfalcon1970]

Notice the subtlety here. Shelob isn't weaving darkness. Her skin is normal and not pale and flawless. She has slight skin blemishes. Her hair is not raven-black. She's an actual woman here. She gave that up after Sauron betrayed her forever.

[@liamwilson7549]

One thing that has always bothered me with how sauron has been portrayed in media is that his aims and end goal seem very vague. Like, we know he seeks to dominate all life, but what is driving him? We never are shown his point of view.

[@ethanquirk28]

He was initially a servant of Aulë named Mairon. However, as is the theme of servants of Aulë and indeed Aulë himself, he was impatient to create and overeager to achieve his goals. One of Mairon’s original desires was to see the world in order. The mortal races weren’t very good at doing this on their own and he believed he could do it better. This is when Melkor beguiled him and drew him to his side, promising the authority to rule over these races. If they could not find peace and order by themselves then they would find it under his control. However over time the influence of Melkor corrupted this into a hatred of all those who were not under his control

[@liamwilson7549]

@@ethanquirk28 would have been nice to see a small scene of him being corrupted by melkor like A chance meeting in the wilds of the world or something like that. It would have defined his viewpoint and given the audience more context.

[@crg750]

So are we supposed to believe he cursed her into the spider form? Or in game canon was she always a shapeshifter? I know in book canon she’s always a spider- child of Ungoliant….. hmmm. I need answers.

[@nicoblac9368]

Yeah same. Did he unwillingly turn her into a spider in this scene and that’s what she meant by his betrayal,, or was she already a spider/shifter and his betrayal was turning himself in to Númenor?

[@shmoneyteam7579]

@@nicoblac9368 I definitely get more of a I’m pissed so let me turn into my kill everyone form vibe from this scene lol

[@lordnazar6382]

In the Shadow of war 'canon' she was always a shapeshifter. Idk why this video is titled the way it is.

[@anlkaya]

This story is based on another lotr realm. Like multiverse concept in marvel. Orginal story doesnt have talion, isildur ring wraith and bombshell black widow.

[@superblahman]

The game isn't canon... Shelob was always a spider, and the only surviving daughter of Ungoliant.

[@wattoucheng]

Er... A little context here? The algorithm brought me to this video but I'm confused. I though Shelob had always been a spider, not someone cursed to be a spider.

[@JACOBITE-1745]

In the books and movie lore, she is described as been in a spider-like form. That can interpreted in a couple of ways. For the game though, it seems they went with the interpretation that spider-like form ment that she could shspeshift. For the game, it looks like Sauron had betrayed her and in so doing pissed her off to the point of reverting to spider-like form.

[@verindictus3639]

Yes, she was always a spider, specifically a descendant of Ungoliant, a hideous spider-like monster that even Morgoth feared.

[@UnknownPersononGoogle]

She’s always been a spider it’s speculated that she can become a human form but doesn’t want to. She’s a more primal form of Ungoliant.

[@Gentleman_Orange]

That's the worst faith! Turning slowly into a monster, having the time to realize what is happening to you. The worst about monsters is not that they were once humans. But that they remember being ones.

[@robertagren9360]

well, she never was a human so it makes it easier for her.

[@trith72]

Cute, but completely not the lore. Shelob was born a spider queen and never took human form or shapeshifted. She was a spider at birth, lived always as a spider and died as a spider. This was just a plot device for the game.

[@mojojojoslyfoxharris]

One of those moments where you know what the game is trying to do, but as a fan LOTR fan, you know that it's far from what really happened with Shelob! Similar to what the game did with Helm Hammerhand and Isildur!

[@tangerinetech5300]

Well the games aren't cannon to the books and pretty sure they aren't trying to be if anything I think they are trying to fit it in the movie universe.

[@Azuria969]

I talked to Tolkien and he said the games are canon and he loves spider milf

[@SaintGrench]

"You know how they made the big snake in Harry Potter a hot Asian lady? I wanna do that with the big spider in LotR!"

[@the_dropbear4392]

Pretty sure this came out first

[@Bamboodium]

If that's Shelob, I'm simping Human version ofc

[@IlluminaZero]

Am I the only one that had to rewind to see the "kiss?"

[@tyrranicalt-rad6164]

Sauron was an elf ? I thought he was a giant flaming eyeball ?!?!?

[@robertagren9360]

Not in the novel. He was a human.

[@AhmedHussain-yg9lb]

His elf form is one of his disguises

[@bobo577]

Sauron is a Maia. As the others mention, the elf state is a disguise of his, named Annatar in The Silmarillion. He has a physical form in LOTR but it isn’t seen although Gollum claims he saw Sauron with one finger missing. The flaming eye on Barad-Dur is a movie idea.

[@andremiszczenko3843]

Nobody "turned her" she retained that power and ability long before being the daughter of ungoliant.

[@Civilmonkey1]

We've all dated "the great deceiver" am I right?

[@loneangler9063]

Got Dang, Sauron used to look like a Kpop Star!!!

[@UltimateSpider1385]

I'm surprised that Shelob is still living after the events of Return of the King. I can imagine if She chose to return to her Human form.

[@Talmiel]

Shelob is Ungoliants daughter, which was a massive spider that devoured the light.... Shelob was always a spider. Lol

[@youtubesucks4547]

To all those nolife dudea out there. I love tolkien too but when you see any other adaptation of his work is another universe entirely. Only what he wrote is his original canon. Everything else is another thing entirely. Quantum theory and all that.

[@LucaPalomo-zy2jh]

“How many quick zoom ins and outs should we put into the cutscenes? “Yes.”

[@blackstag9366]

I know they wanted to appropriate some of the lore to make their own story, but turning Shelob into a sexy spider lady that shapeshifts and has prophetic visions and magical gifts was just such a stretch. In actual fact, she's nothing more than a gluttonous giant spider that wants nothing more than to eat whatever she sees.

[@tangerinetech5300]

I mean I don't doubt she has some kind of magical powers that they just dont mention. I would argue it takes magic for her to exist in the first place. Plus ungoliant had magic powers.

[@cosesu8929]

They took creative liberties with her being able to shapeshift because 1) Sauron could do it, 2) Ungoliant was a spirit or whatever and took the form of a spider so it's possible Ungoliant could shapeshift. (As far I remember Ungoliant's creation and powers are vague enough that you _could_ conclude that it's possible she could shapeshift so why couldn't here most powerful offspring shapeshift also.)

[@jeremiahk5335]

One does get much joy watching raging nerds argue about "facts" in a fantasy setting.

[@TheInfiniteSheldon]

"The giant, magical spider once looked like a WOMAN!? Unpossible!"

[@stalwart56k]

This entire game is the most ridiculous romp of exploiting Tolkein for money. But man elf Shelob is hot. Good job devs. In the lore she was always a spider and the last child of Ungoliant. Ungoliant was born of the Darkness from Melkor's disharmony with Iluvatar's song of creation. Always spiders, never hot elven chicks with sexy accents.

[@ATalesTruth-]

Still better than the rings of power At list the game tired to stick to the lore but put a twist on it

[@KarusMBII]

I don't get this flack for "hot sexy spider elf woman"? I don't even find her that attractive, let alone "sexy". She certainly doesn't evoke anything sexual to me, perhaps seductive, but she is supposed to represent a spider. That is the whole point. Besides, it's hardly "exploiting" Tolkien for money. I think if you spent a few hours in the studio responsible for designing this game you would perhaps see how much dedication, effort and love is put into these things. It is NOT easy. And no, I didn't work on the game and I'm not a developer either. But I'm sorry I hate it when people have this kind of perspective on things. A studio decides to take some creative liberties to bring fans something fresh, and it's seen as exploitation of the franchise. Lmao. Maybe for the new Star Wars films I'd agree, but certainly not for this video game series. Just try to remember, it's NOT canon, the studio NEVER wanted it to be canon, it's a fun take on an already established masterpiece that we all know inside and out. Personally, I like it. Not saying you have to like it, but marring a whole studio's work with such statements just seems really dickish to me.

[@tangerinetech5300]

I like how making your own fun non Canon story in a world you like is considered a ridiculous cash grab. Didn't this game have like trash paid for loot boxes why don't you complain about them or something.

[@JoeLackey]

Game creators: "Yeah, I was thinking about it and decided that Tolkien's story just wasn't good enough. Let's deviate from everything and go our own route. I'm sure he wouldn't mind."