Elgin Marbles: What are they and why are they causing a diplomatic row?

Sky News military analyst Professor Michael Clarke takes us through the history of the Elgin Marbles and explains what's behind the latest diplomatic discord between the UK and Greece.
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[@panagiotisfotiadis1577]

They are not Elgin's They are not marbles They are the Parthenon Sculptures

[@Gruenen21]

My understanding, and, I have seen several documentaries that the Parthenon Sculptures were removed illegally from Greece to the UK. They were removed knowing full well, that the perpetrator (Elgin) realised their historic value and treasure to Greece. Let me put it another way, what say if Greece was in possession of the British Royal Family Jewels (Crown's, Rings etc - incidentally some of these jewels from history do not belong to the RF). Through the ages the Brits (English) have had a history of flogging items of historical value belonging to other Nations. Some have been returned, so why hasn't the Parthenon Sculptures been returned to their rightful place and that is Greece.

[@augustushotel1737]

They are part of and belong to parthenon ,but they are justifying the thief with simple words.

[@tukicat1399]

As an Aussie we have rock formations called the devils marbles.. which look like marbles...so the name The Elgin Marbles just confused the hell out of me when I was younger

[@LudiviR]

And we ARE keeping them

[@tukicat1399]

@@LudiviR so thats who Rishi is talking to...

[@bloggalot4718]

There is no reason that the Elgin marbles cannot be copied by the experts at the British Museum and the original marbles returned to Greece.

[@phillipcarter8045]

There is no reason that the Elgin marbles cannot be copied by the experts and sent back to Greece

[@jujutrini8412]

There is a reason. Finders keepers; losers weepers.😳 Sarcasm obviously.

[@beniamin4551]

Like greek artifacts are original at first place😂

[@BritishEngineer]

Why? We can’t send criminal immigrants back to Greece, so we can’t send the marbles back either.

[@bear1245]

They’re not called the Elgin Marbles.

[@sharkinadark]

It’s like having stone henge in Greece….give them back to where they stood for 2ooo years and respect history

[@tommyrotton9468]

King Charles is half Greek on his fathers side so doesn't he have a claim too?

[@mariaeirinikarafylli7507]

​@@tommyrotton9468 nope

[@tommyrotton9468]

@@mariaeirinikarafylli7507 why not, he is Greek royalty by lineage and has far more right of ownership than some commoner even if the can trace their Greek ancestry that far back.

[@sharkinadark]

@@tommyrotton9468 8% of the world population are descendants of Genghis Khan, it does not mean they own Mongolia😄

[@tommyrotton9468]

@@sharkinadark Free Palestine from the Mongols or give it back to the Mongols?

[@mrneildennis1472]

Anything stolen then found to be so must be returned to the rightful owner no question about it in every case no debate about it!

[@marc3981]

Wasn't stolen. Watch the video ya doughnut

[@cyrillicsam]

It seems they weren't stolen. Elgin may possibly have been guilty of unethical behaviour but it wasn't thievery.

[@mrneildennis1472]

@@cyrillicsam England never stole anything from anyone else in the world, as a matter of fact England gave to the world, gave civility to the savages eh.

[@Mark-kh1ny]

Steal - “take (another person's property) without permission or legal right” He’s literally just said he had permission

[@f9Pete]

Give Greece their stuff back ffs

[@edmund184]

and what other art should go back? Should all the Picassos and the Dalis go back to Spain?

[@bearsbreeches]

PARTHENON MARBLES !!

[@bobbyfred3761]

They're not Elgin marbles, they're parthenon sculptures and are stolen property

[@thelink4-h9r]

no they not Elgin bought them to save them if it wasnt for him te marbles would of been compelety destyored learn history but gen z crapofinan obsessed idoit wont

[@marc3981]

Wasn't stolen. Watch the video ya doughnut

[@tommyrotton9468]

who really owns them? King Charles is half Greek so why not him?

[@plentyofnothing]

The amount of stuff that's "gone walkies" from the British Museum. It's a surprise that the Elgins are still there. Saved by their weight? Give them back - it's the right thing to do

[@LeonLoukeris]

the audacity to call them Elgin's marbles till today. I really like Michael Clark, but his question where should the heritage be seen? that's not serious, I should go to Japan to see an artifact from Chile? Heritage should stay where it was made, every agreement, deal, purchase, and gift should be annulled. Simple as that. Imagine missing a sequence of stones from Stonehenge and being displayed in Greece. And those stones are being called by the person who brought them. Onassis stones. How beautiful.

[@xenofonkarykis8417]

Elgin bribed an Ottoman official to have the Parthenon marbles removed at a time that Greece was occupied by the Ottomans who were actively destroying all traces of non Ottoman culture (so basically everything), not least because these monuments were a constant reminder to enslaved people, on this instance Greeks, of their non Turkic heritage. Elging broke up as much as he could carry and quite possibly, of all the wars and vandalisms that happened over the centuries, his was by far the most serious damage the Parthenon monument in Acropolis ever took, breakage aside with some of the marbles lost forever at the bottom of the sea on their way to Britain. It is not some piece of art like say a painting that was taken, it is a monument that was broken to pieces. There's a reason that monuments are not allowed to be moved or dismantled far beyond mere cultural heritage misappropriation considerations but mostly for preservation and historical reasons. It is all described in the Venice charter that the UK is a signatory of, and not only reprehensible by today's standards, but also illegal. For those who don't know what the Parthenon is, it's a war monument erected to commemorate victory in GrecoPersian wars and honour the dead Athenian soldiers in Marathon (and elsewere) that are depicted in the friezes. It is the equivalent of the cenotaph for British or the Arc de Triomph for the French. It is the same as if say Hitler entered London, or Paris broke up the cenotaph (or Arc de Triomph) and sold its bits to say Mexicans or an American dealer who refused to return it. If anyone really doesn't get how God awful and bestial this is then perhaps they should be considered part of the animal kingdom rather than of human kind. Elgin maybe judged by the standards of his era rather than today's standards and perhaps the story of how the Parthenon marbles ended up where they are today can be viewed under such a prism. But there are no excuses today. Today's people are being judged by tody's standards and what the British museum does (or refuses to do) today is what one would expect of someone to do today. In either case displaying the Parthenon marbles in the British museum is an affront to British and Greek people alike. It's not like it can be swept under the rug, it's blatantly obvious to anyone looking at chopped up Greek marbles in a British museum. Not something one can be proud of. The British museum or the British government can't be forced to do what is right but they have the choice to keep the marbles and the shame, or do away with both.

[@mushroom-mac617]

Yawn

[@xenofonkarykis8417]

​@@mushroom-mac617All primates yawn. Seen chimpanzees yawn many times never heard one express an argument though.😂

[@eallawson7601]

Presumably if the British had not intervened then these friezes would have been destroyed rather than preserved?

[@xenofonkarykis8417]

@@eallawson7601 That is a hypithetical argument, nonetheless the only lasting damage since Elgin was Elgin's sledgehamners

[@rossfun9840]

@@eallawson7601 The sculptures Elgin left in Athens are today in far more better condition than the ones destroyed by mechanical polishing by the british museum

[@burprobrox9134]

I swear Michael Clark is one of the most impartial and well thought out person on Sky, glad to see it continue

[@richardgallagher4880]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Seethe. Cope. Deny

[@etmp3317]

😂😂😂😂😂😂 really

[@robertruggiero9999]

Impartial? Calling the venetians cretins for firing on sonething in which the ottomans had stored munitions ?

[@stevev9885]

Lord Elgin was a gambler that had to pay his debts. He ended up marrying a Canadian heiress. He did not make much money on the sale of the marbles. Further more, there was a vote in the House of Lords, with lord Byron and co trying to label him a thief. It failed. I’m not sure of his impartiality.

[@markgoestofrankfurt]

Elgin did not have official permission from the Head of the Ottoman empire, the permit was a sham piece of paper locally wrung by greasing local Ottoman palms...

[@GeorgeKemp]

Just give them back to Greece, if the intention was to save them for prosterity then they have been saved, and now the Greeks have the means to preserve them so there is no reason not too give them back. Add that this isn't the 1600 or 1800's and global travel is now the norm for just about everyone, so the case that we in UK couldn't see them in Greece now also makes no sense.

[@rossfun9840]

EXCACTLY !

[@FlaneurCreatif]

This is way better than the BBC episode which gives no insight to the history whatsoever.

[@mikmerl1]

the "history" is always warped Elgin insisted he purchased them but could never present a document this fellow says they were carried off by a nod from the invaders actually they were simply stolen for private use then they were given to the British government to pay taxes that Elgin owed the British Museum being a world class warehouse for looted/stole artifacts was the perfect place or them to end up

[@pablo19136]

What and SKY does 😂😂😂

[@obvious-troll]

@@mikmerl1 stop crying and just buy a plane ticket to London, it’s 2023

[@jwadaow]

@@mikmerl1 Elgin was the ambassador is what he said. That means he had direct communication with the authorities!

[@JohnHeisenberg-o2m]

Stolen stuff should be returned regardless how u got it, it’s still stolen .

[@stevejones1682]

Theft and Looting is a crime. There can be no justification for that. Britain has the moral obligation to retutn the Parthenon Marbles to Greece. One thing these marbles are not and that is "Elgin" as he had no claim on them.

[@marc3981]

Wasn't stolen. Watch the video ya doughnut

[@TC8787-yq7og]

English arrogance in a nutshell

[@MJ18888]

If the British museum return all foreign artefacts, it will be empty 😂

[@darkpool6319]

Same as the museums of every country that once ruled a lot of foreign land. Look at Istanbul for example..

[@airhabairhab]

As it should be!

[@grahamedwards6824]

Apparently many artefacts have already gone missing. Couldn’t the Greeks do a ‘Topkapi’…!!

[@tinanash194]

I think that’s Sunaks Plan so Britain’s have nothing to

[@nikosm.georgiou2148]

So , let it be empty .

[@michaelcoward1902]

The Marbles aren't causing a row...Sunak is. This whole stupid situation was getting sorted out until Sunak threw all of his toys out of the pram.

[@athenarockabilly6245]

He is an embarrassment to this great land that he is supposed to lead times have changed and people have moved on to what it was in the colonial age give back the PARTHENON MARBLES

[@user-fg5zx4gz1z]

They can't be returned at the minute because there is an act of parliament preventing it. Sir Keir Starmer will change the law and return them though, but not because he thinks its right or anything but because once he's done being PM he wants to make millions on the international circuit like Tony Blair.

[@richardgallagher4880]

@@athenarockabilly6245 No.

[@obvious-troll]

@@athenarockabilly6245 real chads say no

[@raellawrence7116]

​@@athenarockabilly6245yes

[@Bluediamond2023]

The British Museum of stolen artifacts.

[@rajafernando2787]

How could the British name "Parthenon Sculptures" as Marbles of Elgin who stole them from Greece.... shame....

[@DemetrisXydas-g9m]

MR Sunak. Where there is shame, there is fear, and where there is a fear, there is shame. SOCRATES

[@ALGfunk]

Imperialism fires back

[@obvious-troll]

The Empire Strikes Back!

[@thelink4-h9r]

🤣🤣🤡 blame the Turks

[@Delikaris7]

@@obvious-trollwhat empire hahahahahahahahahaha

[@donquixotedovoulaldo3554]

Well, the said "permission" was a forgery he made himself. Plus because he was out of money by the end of the whole ordeal he couldn't afford more ships and because of the weight one of them was shipwrecked. So, neither he "saved" nor "acquired" them

[@adz951]

I swear I could listen to Prof Clarke talk about anything 😆

[@apollonia6656]

Ditto.

[@ThwmasSt]

it's the Parthenon sculptures part of Parthenon and needs to reunite them at the original monument

[@dimitristsioplos4648]

He had no permission, there is no state document allowing him to take them away. The only document is an Italian "translation" of the so called permission.... The acropolis marbles were stolen and not gifted or sold!

[@realmixalisx8534]

What distortion of the historical trhth! The surviving correspondence between Elgin and Luzieri (an Italian artist who worked for Elgin) is extremely revealing about the brutal mutilation of the Acropolis. Referring to a masterpiece sculpture from the frieze of the Parthenon, Luzieri described in 1802 that "we did not saw it properly, as we did not have sufficiently fine saws, and being somewhat thin in the middle, it broke in two in transportation, in spite of all precautions which we received. Fortunately, though, it broke right in the middle and in a straight line, where there was no sculptural form, so the accident helped us quickly move it and load it onto the ship." The marbles were separated by force from the temple and not just randomly picked up for "safekeeping".

[@George-xb5ey]

It was literally Sack the place take it all back to England the King will like this

[@brummie.bill-379.]

No contest of course they should be returned to Greece.

[@ΣΤΕΡΓΙΟΣΚΟΣΜΙΔΗΣ]

It was an inappropriate behavior but also very rood on behalf of England's prime minister not accepting to meet the Greek prime minister. The United Kingdom deserves a better leader, who should be more polite, more diplomatic and have good manners. We Greeks love the UK and Great Britain (I always lived in Greece and still will) let us a very bad English prime minister not be an obstacle to our good friendship as states and nations.

[@al-paciyes5722]

Will india claim back Sunak??

[@LayLoow]

🙏🏽

[@chriskw4362]

They say they were legally taken. Well, show us the firman. Based on the research of two Turkish historians no such firman exists in the records. The marbles were the property of the sultan so a copy must have existed in the palace records. The only record that exists is a letter written in Italian from an official representing the governor of Athens who allowed Elgin to study the marbles.

[@dulcamarabuffo]

After this year's massive scandal of inside theft from the British Museum. which the now former director Hartwig Fischer vehemently denied, I do not see how the British could do anything other than hide their heads in shame and give the sculptures back to Greece. It took a Danish outsider to discover it and it took the British Museum three years to acknowledge it.

[@Littledunc1]

What massive list of things have we stolen from countries didnt even exist at the time? go on?

[@user-bu9nb8wr6e]

Sunaks god is money, and so because there is no money in the meeting for himself and his family, he just cancels.

[@athenarockabilly6245]

Because he is a nasty horrid hateful arrogant man who is rich and has that mindset

[@MouldedSalad]

I love that word *cretin* - I need to start using it more at work! 😅

[@wallabybob3020]

My wife uses it all the time.🤨

[@joytekb]

From Crete

[@ch02063]

Sunak is from Crete?

[@doiranimarkou4004]

Yes, Professor, but unlike other artifacts, the Parthenon marbles are not separate pieces of art. They are part of an entity, and they should be treated as such!

[@mediatoday-nm2hc]

Where best to see other people’s artefacts if not in western cities where tourists come to visit live their money for westerns economy and nothing for the people who created the art. Then he wants to decide on the future of someone else’s property “go on tour”. The arrogance of it all.

[@aggelosn.6846]

Elgin never took permission to remove them and carry them to England, even from the ottomans. He got permission to go to the place and make moulds for replicas

[@duncankowable]

Some humble advice to the British: maybe next time don't plunder someone else's property?

[@mikmerl1]

they were illegally looted it's time for the sculptures to be reunited with the monument from where they originated

[@perseus431]

They wouldn't exist if it weren't for us, they're ours.

[@nickybluechips7567]

@@perseus431I agree that they wouldn’t exist, I don’t entirely agree that they’re ours per se. They belong to the Greeks but are here instead. A deal should be sought between our two nations.

[@anonymous1821a]

what's your business or concern if Greece were unable to preserve them rightly, they belong to them they can do whatever they want with them, it is not your history or inheritance, Elgin was a common thief

[@chrystallakapetaniou9797]

Calling the Parthenon marbles Elgin marbles is the definition of appropriation.

[@snf321gotti6]

He stole them fair and square.

[@JustDaniel6764]

They weren't stolen. They were bought, while the Turks used the pantheon as a gun store 😂

[@snf321gotti6]

@@JustDaniel6764 and the Greeks blew it up right 🤣

[@snf321gotti6]

@@brokendrummachine2539 how much he paid ??

[@JustDaniel6764]

@@snf321gotti6 The greeks are acting crazy man, They must of lost their marbles.

[@JustDaniel6764]

@@snf321gotti6 Cost him about 5 million in todays money. Then he had an expensive divorce and had to sell them to the British government to pay for it. The British government did extensive inquiries and came to the conclusion he purchased them legitimately so they bought them off him.

[@augustushotel1737]

The thief is saying we can look after the Marbles more carefully

[@Slanche1974]

Give them back simple..

[@76Rubes]

A PM that does not even have the b... to have a conversation with another European leader...

[@mattgrant9479]

Love this guy.

[@apollonia6656]

Ditto 😉

[@georgiosdem8443]

The Parthenon sculptures are stolen. They must be returned to Greece!!! It is a tribute to the Democratic philosophy. It is the essence of Greekness!!! It is the heritage of Greece!!!

[@Moori2163]

With something of that much cultural importance they should be returned in this day and age with a loan agreement agreed in the meantime. Just display something else in the British Museum or create replica's.

[@stevenseibel9216]

This old man woke up and was excited for work today.

[@callen.6371]

Nah this old man is always like this very interesting individual! He doesn’t need a telly prompter !

[@TomNook.]

He's a history encyclopedia in human form

[@Jimmy-es8bc]

He’s always on Sky News providing really good insight, actually.

[@lhts12]

The old man is superstar professor. We need Doctor Indiana Jones perspective as well.

[@shsh-he5qg]

Haha this clown who was also a expert on the ukraine war and what he thought will happen, all his predictions were complete nonsense 😂

[@paulreynolds7103]

Give them back.

[@shsh-he5qg]

Like everything in the British museum ! It’s all stolen 😂 why beat around the bush

[@Atreas40000]

Elgin acquired a permission to create molds of the sculptures that were still attached to the Parthenon. He used that as a pretext for his crew to gain access to the Acropolis. He then bribed a local Ottoman official to turn a blind eye, and he removed the sculptures. If he had bought them, there would have been a bill of sale, and a "firman" meaning an official order of the Ottoman Administration allowing him to remove them. There is no such thing. What this gentleman says is a blatant lie. The ancient Greek antiquities were treated as precious commodities by the Ottomans. They new that Western Europeans would pay good money for them. They were not that stupid to hand them over for free. In other cases, like in the Aphrodite of Milos, there were legitimate agreements of sale as it was bought by the french. Not in the case of the Parthenon Sculptures were it is a clear case of THEFT.

[@keith8609]

Let Greece have them back most of the uk public couldn't care less about them anyway

[@arturahmeti486]

If they return these marbles. Than the whole british museum will be emptied out.

[@peterwragg5255]

Losing your marbles always causes trouble 👍

[@eallawson7601]

Easily the most astute comment to date!

[@Panos835]

What an excellent humour! NOT!

[@apollonia6656]

Sunak has lost his and that is for sure.

[@doughnut68]

Give everything back that Britain stole

[@Vv-gk4cu]

"Greece could potentially negotiate with the Indian Prime Minister, who happens to govern the UK these days, to relocate the Stonehenge stones to Athens. What? No way?! "

[@antonionika1155]

What for? Use them as bollards on boulevards?

[@antonionika1155]

No thanks

[@George-xb5ey]

what a downgrade look at stonehenge look at what the greeks built it's night and day difference.

[@annishilcock4587]

That Elgin plundered the Parthenon was a criticism made of him in his own lifetime including by Lord Bryon. He originally asked to make drawings of the treasures and then started taking them but it was an arrgagement made with the Ottomans not the Greeks. Theoriginal letterabout the agreement has been lost and the wording of what remains has been disputed. He only sold them to the British Museum bacause he was bankrupted by his divorce,before that they were in hsi private collection.

[@aokiaoki4238]

Greeks have been telling the same for decades. Sunak is a clown

[@jrca99777]

It's not about righteousness , it's common sense. Imagine if a part of the Stonehenge was removed and displayed in the British museum. 😂

[@englishstark6100]

They should be reunited but it’s going to be difficult to put The Parthenon into The British Museum.

[@marc3981]

Where there's a will, there's a way...

[@rossfun9840]

Dont worry about that , we can put the british museum into the new acropolis museum

[@tonytajine]

Hahaha its hilarious watching them try to put a spin on this other than "We stole them like everything else in the museum" 😂

[@22Jeffers]

Love Michael Clarke. He seems to be an expert on everything!

[@nautaki]

The kind of permission that Lord Elgin got from the Ottomans is disputed. The Ottomans did care, to an extent, and some say that the permission given was for surveys, not extraction.

[@jd_jd_jd]

They should be returned immediately with a massive apology for Britain being so stupid. UK resident, 56y

[@mikem8211]

Took the matbles took Cyprus what great friends the Brits have been to the Greeks 😂

[@jimakisspd]

The Ionian and Saronic islands also.

[@mikem8211]

@@jimakisspd Yet they won't stand for anyone messing with Israel 😅

[@apollonia6656]

Ironuc,isn't it !

[@mickadatwist1620]

Sir Michael is fan of historical buildings and architecture.

[@apollonia6656]

Is he a "Sir" ?

[@erkinzorba8950]

Well, in 1687, there wasn't any venedick or any left over it to come into the Ottoman Empire and bombard it. What a palavra. The fact is, all these marbels were stolen when Ottoman Epire started to lose its power, and these lands were invaded by English, and these marbels were ransacked by English thiefs not by the simple thiefs but the museum as they did so every country they occupied. They belong to the Greeks and they should return where they belong to.

[@lskourdoumpis]

Regardless the argument of where they belong to, the fact is that any average Uk prime minister would have made the most out of the meeting, enhancing the relationship with the greek PM and would have still kept the marbles. Rishi cancelled the meeting, out of ignorance and arrogance-I believe. Now the greek PM will go back to greece, stay in his bed, gorge on chocolate, listen to ballads and crying because little Rishi doesn't want to meet him....

[@mjw12345]

Enjoyed Clarke! The way the Parthenon Sculptures are displayed in the British Museun shocking - sepulchral, claustrophobic - not Ionian sun/sky. Enough reason for their return!

[@DemetrisXydas-g9m]

MR Sunak. Where there is shame there is fear and where there fear there is shame. SOCRATES

[@mariaeirinikarafylli7507]

If it is difficult for British people to let go of other people's cultural heritage because it reminds them of the days they were an empire, then imagine the sadness of the countries where all these beautiful artifacts originated from...

[@vassilios_21]

Bring back the Parthenon Sculptures!!!🇬🇷

[@captainskylight942]

Is he going to mention the victorians scrubbing them with bleach? Or the metal rods we put into the columns that made things even worse?

[@BG-oj6zt]

Give the sculptures back to Greece 🇬🇷 Give Ireland back to the Irish 🇮🇪

[@user-ze8yy8jg1f]

🇮🇪 we don’t give two flying f”cks who owns the statues it’s none of our business The Brits can’t do anything about Northern Ireland it’s down to a democratic vote Your like a barstool republican

[@stikupartist3698]

Damn through the British, even named it after the guy who stole it?

[@martinwyke]

This is a desperate attempt at distraction by Sunak.

[@Panos835]

'I want to preserve these things but also because I want my OWN museum' - That is so bipolar, sounds like a thief reasoning himself whatsoever....

[@George-xb5ey]

The funny thing is Elgin would have once said and thought to himself of the idea that he needs to take the marbles from the Parthenon which therefore are the Parthenon Marbles.

[@pankal]

It is the Parthenon sculptures, not just marbles as if there is no art in them and certainly not Elgin's who did not create them, but removed them from their intended place of worship.

[@syman2010]

Its like the rosetta stone it doesn't belong here and should be back in egypt

[@panayotisdamianakis3658]

It's a question of morals and the UK's lack of. Shameful behavior by Sunak.

[@gerardk51]

Give them back. Why not? Who wants them anyway? 2 or 3 politicians. They want them and will take good care of them.

[@robertruggiero9999]

This Michael Clark seems to be very pro ottoman and anti Venetian

[@GerryMessaris-ee5rg]

Greek heritage Greek possessions taken illegally

[@tombaroli]

I lam admirer of Michael Clarke, but he is wrong on so many points here. Canova was a sculptor, not an architect, but that is kind of irrelevant. The Ottoman authorities gave him (debatable) "permission" to take "some stones", not to dismantle what remained of the building. There is so much idle talk over this issue. See my lecture on this here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/h57Vg3uegNWsaKM

[@MaggieFuchs]

In my opinion they should be returned, they belong in Greece. The Greek government should pay for marble copies to be made and given to the British museum so the world can see the copies. That way everybody wins.

[@thepablyko]

even on heirtage politics this guy is well informed

[@thechurchofsupersampling]

It's a good precedent

[@happywednesday6741]

WE AINT GIVING EM BACK AND WE WILL GO TO WAR OVER IT, OUR MARBLES, ROYAL BRITANNIA BRITAIN RULES THE MARBLES 😤🧐🇬🇧 *satire*

[@Giannis-zm5no]

Eat sh*t ❤

[@TDK054]

Nonsense. If the marbles were bought legally, they belong to the buyer. Period

[@jimakisspd]

Unless the one they bought it from was not the real owner.

[@TDK054]

@@jimakisspd define real owner

[@jimakisspd]

@@TDK054 Certainly not the Ottoman who occupied Greek majority regions(Athens with Parthenon included) and not the Brit who pillaged and uprooted whole sculptures and statues from their place that had stayed there for thousands of years before these barbarians arrived. It belongs to the aboriginal inhabitants and the nation that the architects of the Parthenon, Ictinus and Callicrates belong. It was a temple designed by Greek Architects for the Greeks and to them it belongs!!!

[@TDK054]

@@jimakisspd that's a lot of woke in just one sentence. If they want the marbles back, they have to deal with England and pay for it. The marbles were not stolen; they were bought

[@jimakisspd]

@@TDK054 LOL so according to your vocabulary, speaking facts and claiming what the thief stole from us=woke?? Whether the British were direct thieves or they simply bought something from thieves(the Ottomans) doesn't make them any less than what they actually are, raiders and pillagers. And no with such barbaric pillagers, we have nothing to pay for. We demand them back as legitimate owners!!! Pure and simple. Btw for your information, historically Thomas Bruce didn't even buy them from the Ottomans(not that actually buying them from Greece's conquerors would make the way he acquired them any less illegal but even that he didn't do), he simply paid them in order to watch over them and while the Ottomans allowed him, he uprooted and raided them along with his men.

[@peterkoutsis2780]

Love to hear The Place shares what they have on loan. Regards

[@muirislandjim453]

This Is Britain!!!! Send your best Gladiator.

[@ayiorgos]

..And in France, and Germany, and Rusia,U.S.A.and Italy,Spain, and in the Churches around Akropolis. :) :) :) ...A never ending list of where Greek artifacts are... Greece is everywhere: :)

[@zerocarbdoc]

He stole them for his ego 🤣

[@zerocarbdoc]

But he did pay for his own shipping

[@obvious-troll]

Not stolen, finessed

[@dvsxavier]

I don't know why the Brits can't make a 3D printer copy and send it back to Greece.

[@nomoneynoproblems9761]

Half of the Things in the Museum Are stolen 😂give them back

[@diquadhumungersaur492]

the end result is that everybody who has ever taken something from any country will have to return each and every item.. each country can only have its own relics in its museums .. sigh...

[@raellawrence7116]

And...? The outcome is that relics are distributed by consent instead of being plundered.

[@DavidSmith-fe2ws]

Give them back.wtf