Elgin Marbles: What are they and why are they causing a diplomatic row?

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6 ай бұрын

Sky News military analyst Professor Michael Clarke takes us through the history of the Elgin Marbles and explains what's behind the latest diplomatic discord between the UK and Greece.
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@panagiotisfotiadis1577
@panagiotisfotiadis1577 6 ай бұрын
They are not Elgin's They are not marbles They are the Parthenon Sculptures
@Gruenen21
@Gruenen21 6 ай бұрын
My understanding, and, I have seen several documentaries that the Parthenon Sculptures were removed illegally from Greece to the UK. They were removed knowing full well, that the perpetrator (Elgin) realised their historic value and treasure to Greece. Let me put it another way, what say if Greece was in possession of the British Royal Family Jewels (Crown's, Rings etc - incidentally some of these jewels from history do not belong to the RF). Through the ages the Brits (English) have had a history of flogging items of historical value belonging to other Nations. Some have been returned, so why hasn't the Parthenon Sculptures been returned to their rightful place and that is Greece.
@augustushotel1737
@augustushotel1737 6 ай бұрын
They are part of and belong to parthenon ,but they are justifying the thief with simple words.
@tukicat1399
@tukicat1399 6 ай бұрын
As an Aussie we have rock formations called the devils marbles.. which look like marbles...so the name The Elgin Marbles just confused the hell out of me when I was younger
@user-vh9ek1pm2c
@user-vh9ek1pm2c 6 ай бұрын
And we ARE keeping them
@tukicat1399
@tukicat1399 6 ай бұрын
@@user-vh9ek1pm2c so thats who Rishi is talking to...
@bloggalot4718
@bloggalot4718 6 ай бұрын
There is no reason that the Elgin marbles cannot be copied by the experts at the British Museum and the original marbles returned to Greece.
@phillipcarter8045
@phillipcarter8045 6 ай бұрын
There is no reason that the Elgin marbles cannot be copied by the experts and sent back to Greece
@jujutrini8412
@jujutrini8412 6 ай бұрын
There is a reason. Finders keepers; losers weepers.😳 Sarcasm obviously.
@beniamin4551
@beniamin4551 6 ай бұрын
Like greek artifacts are original at first place😂
@BritishEngineer
@BritishEngineer 6 ай бұрын
Why? We can’t send criminal immigrants back to Greece, so we can’t send the marbles back either.
@bear1245
@bear1245 6 ай бұрын
They’re not called the Elgin Marbles.
@sharkinadark
@sharkinadark 6 ай бұрын
It’s like having stone henge in Greece….give them back to where they stood for 2ooo years and respect history
@tommyrotton9468
@tommyrotton9468 6 ай бұрын
King Charles is half Greek on his fathers side so doesn't he have a claim too?
@mariaeirinikarafylli7507
@mariaeirinikarafylli7507 6 ай бұрын
​@@tommyrotton9468 nope
@tommyrotton9468
@tommyrotton9468 6 ай бұрын
@@mariaeirinikarafylli7507 why not, he is Greek royalty by lineage and has far more right of ownership than some commoner even if the can trace their Greek ancestry that far back.
@sharkinadark
@sharkinadark 4 ай бұрын
@@tommyrotton9468 8% of the world population are descendants of Genghis Khan, it does not mean they own Mongolia😄
@tommyrotton9468
@tommyrotton9468 4 ай бұрын
@@sharkinadark Free Palestine from the Mongols or give it back to the Mongols?
@bobbyfred3761
@bobbyfred3761 6 ай бұрын
They're not Elgin marbles, they're parthenon sculptures and are stolen property
@user-sp6kf5dm7o
@user-sp6kf5dm7o 6 ай бұрын
no they not Elgin bought them to save them if it wasnt for him te marbles would of been compelety destyored learn history but gen z crapofinan obsessed idoit wont
@marc3981
@marc3981 6 ай бұрын
Wasn't stolen. Watch the video ya doughnut
@tommyrotton9468
@tommyrotton9468 6 ай бұрын
who really owns them? King Charles is half Greek so why not him?
@bearsbreeches
@bearsbreeches 6 ай бұрын
PARTHENON MARBLES !!
@f9Pete
@f9Pete 6 ай бұрын
Give Greece their stuff back ffs
@edmund184
@edmund184 4 ай бұрын
and what other art should go back? Should all the Picassos and the Dalis go back to Spain?
@mrneildennis1472
@mrneildennis1472 6 ай бұрын
Anything stolen then found to be so must be returned to the rightful owner no question about it in every case no debate about it!
@marc3981
@marc3981 6 ай бұрын
Wasn't stolen. Watch the video ya doughnut
@cyrillicsam
@cyrillicsam 6 ай бұрын
It seems they weren't stolen. Elgin may possibly have been guilty of unethical behaviour but it wasn't thievery.
@mrneildennis1472
@mrneildennis1472 6 ай бұрын
@@cyrillicsam England never stole anything from anyone else in the world, as a matter of fact England gave to the world, gave civility to the savages eh.
@Mark-kh1ny
@Mark-kh1ny 6 ай бұрын
Steal - “take (another person's property) without permission or legal right” He’s literally just said he had permission
@Ilovefotz
@Ilovefotz 6 ай бұрын
The breadth of topics for which Michael Clarke is an expert is forever surprising me.
@richardgallagher4880
@richardgallagher4880 6 ай бұрын
Is this the guy who thinks rusher innnvadded rusher?😆😆
@mikedon5205
@mikedon5205 6 ай бұрын
Wonder if he could sort out VAR
@etmp3317
@etmp3317 6 ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂 thats funny
@stevev9885
@stevev9885 6 ай бұрын
I was surprised they latched onto him for this topic. I do listen to him when it comes to tactics in Ukraine’s defence against Russian aggression. But history of lord Elgin not !
@cyrillicsam
@cyrillicsam 6 ай бұрын
Putinism is alive & well it seems@@richardgallagher4880
@Erol_808
@Erol_808 6 ай бұрын
The Ottomans did NOT specifically agree to the sale of the Elgin Marbles to the British Museum. They agreed to their removal for preservation but not sell. If Greece wants them back they should be returned regardless of history, the BM can make moulds for their own display.
@solsunman383
@solsunman383 6 ай бұрын
If they were never legally sold by the Ottoman government, perhaps the British should return them to Turkey?
@plentyofnothing
@plentyofnothing 6 ай бұрын
The amount of stuff that's "gone walkies" from the British Museum. It's a surprise that the Elgins are still there. Saved by their weight? Give them back - it's the right thing to do
@LeonLoukeris
@LeonLoukeris 6 ай бұрын
the audacity to call them Elgin's marbles till today. I really like Michael Clark, but his question where should the heritage be seen? that's not serious, I should go to Japan to see an artifact from Chile? Heritage should stay where it was made, every agreement, deal, purchase, and gift should be annulled. Simple as that. Imagine missing a sequence of stones from Stonehenge and being displayed in Greece. And those stones are being called by the person who brought them. Onassis stones. How beautiful.
@FlaneurCreatif
@FlaneurCreatif 6 ай бұрын
This is way better than the BBC episode which gives no insight to the history whatsoever.
@mikmerl1
@mikmerl1 6 ай бұрын
the "history" is always warped Elgin insisted he purchased them but could never present a document this fellow says they were carried off by a nod from the invaders actually they were simply stolen for private use then they were given to the British government to pay taxes that Elgin owed the British Museum being a world class warehouse for looted/stole artifacts was the perfect place or them to end up
@pablo19136
@pablo19136 6 ай бұрын
What and SKY does 😂😂😂
@Chips-Dubbo
@Chips-Dubbo 6 ай бұрын
@@mikmerl1 stop crying and just buy a plane ticket to London, it’s 2023
@jwadaow
@jwadaow 6 ай бұрын
@@mikmerl1 Elgin was the ambassador is what he said. That means he had direct communication with the authorities!
@burprobrox9134
@burprobrox9134 6 ай бұрын
I swear Michael Clark is one of the most impartial and well thought out person on Sky, glad to see it continue
@richardgallagher4880
@richardgallagher4880 6 ай бұрын
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Seethe. Cope. Deny
@etmp3317
@etmp3317 6 ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂😂 really
@robertruggiero9999
@robertruggiero9999 6 ай бұрын
Impartial? Calling the venetians cretins for firing on sonething in which the ottomans had stored munitions ?
@stevev9885
@stevev9885 6 ай бұрын
Lord Elgin was a gambler that had to pay his debts. He ended up marrying a Canadian heiress. He did not make much money on the sale of the marbles. Further more, there was a vote in the House of Lords, with lord Byron and co trying to label him a thief. It failed. I’m not sure of his impartiality.
@markgoestofrankfurt
@markgoestofrankfurt 6 ай бұрын
Elgin did not have official permission from the Head of the Ottoman empire, the permit was a sham piece of paper locally wrung by greasing local Ottoman palms...
@Stampaxd
@Stampaxd 6 ай бұрын
Btw Lord Byron literally cursed Elgin 😅
@MJ18888
@MJ18888 6 ай бұрын
If the British museum return all foreign artefacts, it will be empty 😂
@darkpool6319
@darkpool6319 6 ай бұрын
Same as the museums of every country that once ruled a lot of foreign land. Look at Istanbul for example..
@airhabairhab
@airhabairhab 6 ай бұрын
As it should be!
@grahamedwards6824
@grahamedwards6824 6 ай бұрын
Apparently many artefacts have already gone missing. Couldn’t the Greeks do a ‘Topkapi’…!!
@tinanash194
@tinanash194 6 ай бұрын
I think that’s Sunaks Plan so Britain’s have nothing to
@nikosm.georgiou2148
@nikosm.georgiou2148 6 ай бұрын
So , let it be empty .
@dereklush9399
@dereklush9399 6 ай бұрын
They've literally just got Micheal Clarke doing side quests now 👏
@adz951
@adz951 6 ай бұрын
Side quests are usually the best part of the game too, so I'm happy about that 😁
@duncankowable
@duncankowable 6 ай бұрын
Seems like a fetch quest to me.
@Bluediamond2023
@Bluediamond2023 6 ай бұрын
The British Museum of stolen artifacts.
@stevejones1682
@stevejones1682 6 ай бұрын
Theft and Looting is a crime. There can be no justification for that. Britain has the moral obligation to retutn the Parthenon Marbles to Greece. One thing these marbles are not and that is "Elgin" as he had no claim on them.
@marc3981
@marc3981 6 ай бұрын
Wasn't stolen. Watch the video ya doughnut
@user-eh5bh8bo4o
@user-eh5bh8bo4o 6 ай бұрын
Stolen stuff should be returned regardless how u got it, it’s still stolen .
@michaelcoward1902
@michaelcoward1902 6 ай бұрын
The Marbles aren't causing a row...Sunak is. This whole stupid situation was getting sorted out until Sunak threw all of his toys out of the pram.
@athenarockabilly6245
@athenarockabilly6245 6 ай бұрын
He is an embarrassment to this great land that he is supposed to lead times have changed and people have moved on to what it was in the colonial age give back the PARTHENON MARBLES
@user-fg5zx4gz1z
@user-fg5zx4gz1z 6 ай бұрын
They can't be returned at the minute because there is an act of parliament preventing it. Sir Keir Starmer will change the law and return them though, but not because he thinks its right or anything but because once he's done being PM he wants to make millions on the international circuit like Tony Blair.
@richardgallagher4880
@richardgallagher4880 6 ай бұрын
@@athenarockabilly6245 No.
@Chips-Dubbo
@Chips-Dubbo 6 ай бұрын
@@athenarockabilly6245 real chads say no
@raellawrence7116
@raellawrence7116 6 ай бұрын
​@@athenarockabilly6245yes
@GeorgeKemp
@GeorgeKemp 6 ай бұрын
Just give them back to Greece, if the intention was to save them for prosterity then they have been saved, and now the Greeks have the means to preserve them so there is no reason not too give them back. Add that this isn't the 1600 or 1800's and global travel is now the norm for just about everyone, so the case that we in UK couldn't see them in Greece now also makes no sense.
@rossfun9840
@rossfun9840 6 ай бұрын
EXCACTLY !
@adz951
@adz951 6 ай бұрын
I swear I could listen to Prof Clarke talk about anything 😆
@apollonia6656
@apollonia6656 6 ай бұрын
Ditto.
@ALGfunk
@ALGfunk 6 ай бұрын
Imperialism fires back
@Chips-Dubbo
@Chips-Dubbo 6 ай бұрын
The Empire Strikes Back!
@user-sp6kf5dm7o
@user-sp6kf5dm7o 6 ай бұрын
🤣🤣🤡 blame the Turks
@Delikaris7
@Delikaris7 6 ай бұрын
@@Chips-Dubbowhat empire hahahahahahahahahaha
@ThwmasSt
@ThwmasSt 6 ай бұрын
it's the Parthenon sculptures part of Parthenon and needs to reunite them at the original monument
@MouldedSalad
@MouldedSalad 6 ай бұрын
I love that word *cretin* - I need to start using it more at work! 😅
@wallabybob3020
@wallabybob3020 6 ай бұрын
My wife uses it all the time.🤨
@joytekb
@joytekb 6 ай бұрын
From Crete
@ch02063
@ch02063 6 ай бұрын
Sunak is from Crete?
@xenofonkarykis8417
@xenofonkarykis8417 6 ай бұрын
Elgin bribed an Ottoman official to have the Parthenon marbles removed at a time that Greece was occupied by the Ottomans who were actively destroying all traces of non Ottoman culture (so basically everything), not least because these monuments were a constant reminder to enslaved people, on this instance Greeks, of their non Turkic heritage. Elging broke up as much as he could carry and quite possibly, of all the wars and vandalisms that happened over the centuries, his was by far the most serious damage the Parthenon monument in Acropolis ever took, breakage aside with some of the marbles lost forever at the bottom of the sea on their way to Britain. It is not some piece of art like say a painting that was taken, it is a monument that was broken to pieces. There's a reason that monuments are not allowed to be moved or dismantled far beyond mere cultural heritage misappropriation considerations but mostly for preservation and historical reasons. It is all described in the Venice charter that the UK is a signatory of, and not only reprehensible by today's standards, but also illegal. For those who don't know what the Parthenon is, it's a war monument erected to commemorate victory in GrecoPersian wars and honour the dead Athenian soldiers in Marathon (and elsewere) that are depicted in the friezes. It is the equivalent of the cenotaph for British or the Arc de Triomph for the French. It is the same as if say Hitler entered London, or Paris broke up the cenotaph (or Arc de Triomph) and sold its bits to say Mexicans or an American dealer who refused to return it. If anyone really doesn't get how God awful and bestial this is then perhaps they should be considered part of the animal kingdom rather than of human kind. Elgin maybe judged by the standards of his era rather than today's standards and perhaps the story of how the Parthenon marbles ended up where they are today can be viewed under such a prism. But there are no excuses today. Today's people are being judged by tody's standards and what the British museum does (or refuses to do) today is what one would expect of someone to do today. In either case displaying the Parthenon marbles in the British museum is an affront to British and Greek people alike. It's not like it can be swept under the rug, it's blatantly obvious to anyone looking at chopped up Greek marbles in a British museum. Not something one can be proud of. The British museum or the British government can't be forced to do what is right but they have the choice to keep the marbles and the shame, or do away with both.
@mushroom-mac617
@mushroom-mac617 6 ай бұрын
Yawn
@xenofonkarykis8417
@xenofonkarykis8417 6 ай бұрын
​@@mushroom-mac617All primates yawn. Seen chimpanzees yawn many times never heard one express an argument though.😂
@eallawson7601
@eallawson7601 6 ай бұрын
Presumably if the British had not intervened then these friezes would have been destroyed rather than preserved?
@xenofonkarykis8417
@xenofonkarykis8417 6 ай бұрын
@@eallawson7601 That is a hypithetical argument, nonetheless the only lasting damage since Elgin was Elgin's sledgehamners
@rossfun9840
@rossfun9840 6 ай бұрын
@@eallawson7601 The sculptures Elgin left in Athens are today in far more better condition than the ones destroyed by mechanical polishing by the british museum
@donquixotedovoulaldo3554
@donquixotedovoulaldo3554 6 ай бұрын
Well, the said "permission" was a forgery he made himself. Plus because he was out of money by the end of the whole ordeal he couldn't afford more ships and because of the weight one of them was shipwrecked. So, neither he "saved" nor "acquired" them
@realmixalisx8534
@realmixalisx8534 6 ай бұрын
What distortion of the historical trhth! The surviving correspondence between Elgin and Luzieri (an Italian artist who worked for Elgin) is extremely revealing about the brutal mutilation of the Acropolis. Referring to a masterpiece sculpture from the frieze of the Parthenon, Luzieri described in 1802 that "we did not saw it properly, as we did not have sufficiently fine saws, and being somewhat thin in the middle, it broke in two in transportation, in spite of all precautions which we received. Fortunately, though, it broke right in the middle and in a straight line, where there was no sculptural form, so the accident helped us quickly move it and load it onto the ship." The marbles were separated by force from the temple and not just randomly picked up for "safekeeping".
@George-xb5ey
@George-xb5ey 8 күн бұрын
It was literally Sack the place take it all back to England the King will like this
@user-mo7nm6cr7w
@user-mo7nm6cr7w 6 ай бұрын
MR Sunak. Where there is shame, there is fear, and where there is a fear, there is shame. SOCRATES
@TC8787-yq7og
@TC8787-yq7og 6 ай бұрын
English arrogance in a nutshell
@brummie.bill-379.
@brummie.bill-379. 6 ай бұрын
No contest of course they should be returned to Greece.
@rajafernando2787
@rajafernando2787 6 ай бұрын
How could the British name "Parthenon Sculptures" as Marbles of Elgin who stole them from Greece.... shame....
@user-xp5yu3tt2g
@user-xp5yu3tt2g 6 ай бұрын
It was an inappropriate behavior but also very rood on behalf of England's prime minister not accepting to meet the Greek prime minister. The United Kingdom deserves a better leader, who should be more polite, more diplomatic and have good manners. We Greeks love the UK and Great Britain (I always lived in Greece and still will) let us a very bad English prime minister not be an obstacle to our good friendship as states and nations.
@dimitristsioplos4648
@dimitristsioplos4648 6 ай бұрын
He had no permission, there is no state document allowing him to take them away. The only document is an Italian "translation" of the so called permission.... The acropolis marbles were stolen and not gifted or sold!
@doiranimarkou4004
@doiranimarkou4004 6 ай бұрын
Yes, Professor, but unlike other artifacts, the Parthenon marbles are not separate pieces of art. They are part of an entity, and they should be treated as such!
@dulcamarabuffo
@dulcamarabuffo 6 ай бұрын
After this year's massive scandal of inside theft from the British Museum. which the now former director Hartwig Fischer vehemently denied, I do not see how the British could do anything other than hide their heads in shame and give the sculptures back to Greece. It took a Danish outsider to discover it and it took the British Museum three years to acknowledge it.
@Littledunc1
@Littledunc1 6 ай бұрын
What massive list of things have we stolen from countries didnt even exist at the time? go on?
@chriskw4362
@chriskw4362 6 ай бұрын
They say they were legally taken. Well, show us the firman. Based on the research of two Turkish historians no such firman exists in the records. The marbles were the property of the sultan so a copy must have existed in the palace records. The only record that exists is a letter written in Italian from an official representing the governor of Athens who allowed Elgin to study the marbles.
@mikmerl1
@mikmerl1 6 ай бұрын
the "history" is always warped Elgin insisted he purchased them but could never present a document this fellow says they were carried off by a nod from the invaders actually they were simply stolen for private use then they were given to the British government to pay taxes that Elgin owed the British Museum being a world class warehouse for looted/stole artifacts was the perfect place or them to end up
@TheSm1thers
@TheSm1thers 6 ай бұрын
Better than the Turks destroying them
@georgesotiriou7051
@georgesotiriou7051 6 ай бұрын
I might be wrong but the original plan was to be used as decoration for his house in Scotland
@user-bu9nb8wr6e
@user-bu9nb8wr6e 6 ай бұрын
Sunaks god is money, and so because there is no money in the meeting for himself and his family, he just cancels.
@athenarockabilly6245
@athenarockabilly6245 6 ай бұрын
Because he is a nasty horrid hateful arrogant man who is rich and has that mindset
@stevenseibel9216
@stevenseibel9216 6 ай бұрын
This old man woke up and was excited for work today.
@callen.6371
@callen.6371 6 ай бұрын
Nah this old man is always like this very interesting individual! He doesn’t need a telly prompter !
@TomNook.
@TomNook. 6 ай бұрын
He's a history encyclopedia in human form
@Jimmy-es8bc
@Jimmy-es8bc 6 ай бұрын
He’s always on Sky News providing really good insight, actually.
@Golden-caramel-toffee-honey
@Golden-caramel-toffee-honey 6 ай бұрын
The old man is superstar professor. We need Doctor Indiana Jones perspective as well.
@shsh-he5qg
@shsh-he5qg 6 ай бұрын
Haha this clown who was also a expert on the ukraine war and what he thought will happen, all his predictions were complete nonsense 😂
@Datalinks_
@Datalinks_ 6 ай бұрын
The original document by the Ottoman Porte does not exist, only an Italian translation of it, which stipulates that Elgin can make drawings and take 'some stones'. The veracity of this document is ambivalent and Elgin removed more than 'some stones'.
@basque888
@basque888 6 ай бұрын
Sky will have Michael Clarke on the football panel next. 😅
@apollonia6656
@apollonia6656 6 ай бұрын
Wager he can do that,too 🙂
@al-paciyes5722
@al-paciyes5722 6 ай бұрын
Will india claim back Sunak??
@LayLoow
@LayLoow 6 ай бұрын
🙏🏽
@mattgrant9479
@mattgrant9479 6 ай бұрын
Love this guy.
@apollonia6656
@apollonia6656 6 ай бұрын
Ditto 😉
@Moori2163
@Moori2163 6 ай бұрын
With something of that much cultural importance they should be returned in this day and age with a loan agreement agreed in the meantime. Just display something else in the British Museum or create replica's.
@arturahmeti486
@arturahmeti486 6 ай бұрын
If they return these marbles. Than the whole british museum will be emptied out.
@peterwragg5255
@peterwragg5255 6 ай бұрын
Losing your marbles always causes trouble 👍
@eallawson7601
@eallawson7601 6 ай бұрын
Easily the most astute comment to date!
@Panos835
@Panos835 6 ай бұрын
What an excellent humour! NOT!
@apollonia6656
@apollonia6656 6 ай бұрын
Sunak has lost his and that is for sure.
@Slanche1974
@Slanche1974 6 ай бұрын
Give them back simple..
@mediatoday-nm2hc
@mediatoday-nm2hc 6 ай бұрын
Where best to see other people’s artefacts if not in western cities where tourists come to visit live their money for westerns economy and nothing for the people who created the art. Then he wants to decide on the future of someone else’s property “go on tour”. The arrogance of it all.
@76Rubes
@76Rubes 6 ай бұрын
A PM that does not even have the b... to have a conversation with another European leader...
@aggelosn.6846
@aggelosn.6846 6 ай бұрын
Elgin never took permission to remove them and carry them to England, even from the ottomans. He got permission to go to the place and make moulds for replicas
@annishilcock4587
@annishilcock4587 6 ай бұрын
That Elgin plundered the Parthenon was a criticism made of him in his own lifetime including by Lord Bryon. He originally asked to make drawings of the treasures and then started taking them but it was an arrgagement made with the Ottomans not the Greeks. Theoriginal letterabout the agreement has been lost and the wording of what remains has been disputed. He only sold them to the British Museum bacause he was bankrupted by his divorce,before that they were in hsi private collection.
@thetruth1167
@thetruth1167 6 ай бұрын
Can't see the problem with selling them back to Greece if the UK government wants to
@paulreynolds7103
@paulreynolds7103 6 ай бұрын
Give them back.
@augustushotel1737
@augustushotel1737 6 ай бұрын
The thief is saying we can look after the Marbles more carefully
@mickadatwist1620
@mickadatwist1620 6 ай бұрын
Sir Michael is fan of historical buildings and architecture.
@apollonia6656
@apollonia6656 6 ай бұрын
Is he a "Sir" ?
@Bluediamond2023
@Bluediamond2023 6 ай бұрын
They belong to Greece. Period. No excuse.
@22Jeffers
@22Jeffers 6 ай бұрын
Love Michael Clarke. He seems to be an expert on everything!
@tonytajine
@tonytajine 6 ай бұрын
Hahaha its hilarious watching them try to put a spin on this other than "We stole them like everything else in the museum" 😂
@lesleyelizabeth279
@lesleyelizabeth279 6 ай бұрын
Why does nobody mention the Pergamon Altar, presently in the Berlin Museum.
@rossfun9840
@rossfun9840 6 ай бұрын
Because turkey does not need it it is not part of the turkish heritage !
@nautaki
@nautaki 6 ай бұрын
The kind of permission that Lord Elgin got from the Ottomans is disputed. The Ottomans did care, to an extent, and some say that the permission given was for surveys, not extraction.
@mikem8211
@mikem8211 6 ай бұрын
Took the matbles took Cyprus what great friends the Brits have been to the Greeks 😂
@jimakisspd
@jimakisspd 6 ай бұрын
The Ionian and Saronic islands also.
@mikem8211
@mikem8211 6 ай бұрын
@@jimakisspd Yet they won't stand for anyone messing with Israel 😅
@apollonia6656
@apollonia6656 6 ай бұрын
Ironuc,isn't it !
@Vv-gk4cu
@Vv-gk4cu 6 ай бұрын
"Greece could potentially negotiate with the Indian Prime Minister, who happens to govern the UK these days, to relocate the Stonehenge stones to Athens. What? No way?! "
@antonionika1155
@antonionika1155 6 ай бұрын
What for? Use them as bollards on boulevards?
@antonionika1155
@antonionika1155 6 ай бұрын
No thanks
@George-xb5ey
@George-xb5ey 8 күн бұрын
what a downgrade look at stonehenge look at what the greeks built it's night and day difference.
@duncankowable
@duncankowable 6 ай бұрын
Some humble advice to the British: maybe next time don't plunder someone else's property?
@mrblonde7462
@mrblonde7462 6 ай бұрын
We British appreciate how generous the Greeks are, cheers easy 👍
@chrystallakapetaniou9797
@chrystallakapetaniou9797 6 ай бұрын
Calling the Parthenon marbles Elgin marbles is the definition of appropriation.
@jrca99777
@jrca99777 6 ай бұрын
It's not about righteousness , it's common sense. Imagine if a part of the Stonehenge was removed and displayed in the British museum. 😂
@Chisel_Chest
@Chisel_Chest 6 ай бұрын
The British should give the historical artifacts that nations ask for back (unless they were sold in legal transactions) and just make copies. No one will be able to tell the difference if the copy is well made.
@captainskylight942
@captainskylight942 6 ай бұрын
Is he going to mention the victorians scrubbing them with bleach? Or the metal rods we put into the columns that made things even worse?
@carrensmith6063
@carrensmith6063 6 ай бұрын
British public not responsible for any of this!
@lskourdoumpis
@lskourdoumpis 6 ай бұрын
Regardless the argument of where they belong to, the fact is that any average Uk prime minister would have made the most out of the meeting, enhancing the relationship with the greek PM and would have still kept the marbles. Rishi cancelled the meeting, out of ignorance and arrogance-I believe. Now the greek PM will go back to greece, stay in his bed, gorge on chocolate, listen to ballads and crying because little Rishi doesn't want to meet him....
@ryanfranklin3206
@ryanfranklin3206 6 ай бұрын
Give me a break, send them back to the Athenians. Indeed the terrible precedent would be that artifacts belong as close to their contexts and their people if they have them.
@stikupartist3698
@stikupartist3698 6 ай бұрын
Damn through the British, even named it after the guy who stole it?
@AdamBechtol
@AdamBechtol 6 ай бұрын
Nice, Clarke, solid.
@George-xb5ey
@George-xb5ey 8 күн бұрын
The funny thing is Elgin would have once said and thought to himself of the idea that he needs to take the marbles from the Parthenon which therefore are the Parthenon Marbles.
@Panos835
@Panos835 6 ай бұрын
'I want to preserve these things but also because I want my OWN museum' - That is so bipolar, sounds like a thief reasoning himself whatsoever....
@doughnut68
@doughnut68 6 ай бұрын
Give everything back that Britain stole
@englishstark6100
@englishstark6100 6 ай бұрын
They should be reunited but it’s going to be difficult to put The Parthenon into The British Museum.
@marc3981
@marc3981 6 ай бұрын
Where there's a will, there's a way...
@rossfun9840
@rossfun9840 6 ай бұрын
Dont worry about that , we can put the british museum into the new acropolis museum
@snf321gotti6
@snf321gotti6 6 ай бұрын
He stole them fair and square.
@JustDaniel6764
@JustDaniel6764 6 ай бұрын
They weren't stolen. They were bought, while the Turks used the pantheon as a gun store 😂
@snf321gotti6
@snf321gotti6 6 ай бұрын
@@JustDaniel6764 and the Greeks blew it up right 🤣
@snf321gotti6
@snf321gotti6 6 ай бұрын
@@brokendrummachine2539 how much he paid ??
@JustDaniel6764
@JustDaniel6764 6 ай бұрын
@@snf321gotti6 The greeks are acting crazy man, They must of lost their marbles.
@JustDaniel6764
@JustDaniel6764 6 ай бұрын
@@snf321gotti6 Cost him about 5 million in todays money. Then he had an expensive divorce and had to sell them to the British government to pay for it. The British government did extensive inquiries and came to the conclusion he purchased them legitimately so they bought them off him.
@mikmerl1
@mikmerl1 6 ай бұрын
they were illegally looted it's time for the sculptures to be reunited with the monument from where they originated
@perseus431
@perseus431 6 ай бұрын
They wouldn't exist if it weren't for us, they're ours.
@nickybluechips7567
@nickybluechips7567 6 ай бұрын
@@perseus431I agree that they wouldn’t exist, I don’t entirely agree that they’re ours per se. They belong to the Greeks but are here instead. A deal should be sought between our two nations.
@peterkoutsis2780
@peterkoutsis2780 6 ай бұрын
Love to hear The Place shares what they have on loan. Regards
@shsh-he5qg
@shsh-he5qg 6 ай бұрын
Like everything in the British museum ! It’s all stolen 😂 why beat around the bush
@pjeaton58
@pjeaton58 6 ай бұрын
Why not make good quality resin copies for the museum, and return the originals to where they belong ??????????????
@Chips-Dubbo
@Chips-Dubbo 6 ай бұрын
Not stolen, finessed
@solsunman383
@solsunman383 6 ай бұрын
"By Jove, that would be exciting!" What an appropriate ending line (for context, Jove is another name for the god Jupiter).
@apollonia6656
@apollonia6656 6 ай бұрын
Or more appropriately: "By Zeus" !
@CarlitoGio
@CarlitoGio 6 ай бұрын
I remember learning about the Elgin Marbles in school way back in the 90s
@keith8609
@keith8609 6 ай бұрын
Let Greece have them back most of the uk public couldn't care less about them anyway
@thepablyko
@thepablyko 6 ай бұрын
even on heirtage politics this guy is well informed
@kamma44
@kamma44 6 ай бұрын
0:44 '...the most beautiful building EVER created by mankind...'?! I wish people would stick to facts and reporting instead of sneaking in their little opinions as if they were fact?!
@ciaranstaunton
@ciaranstaunton Ай бұрын
Amazing - flabbergasted. Even the naming of the items is wrong, they are called the Parthenon sculptures by everyone other than the British.
@user-mo7nm6cr7w
@user-mo7nm6cr7w 6 ай бұрын
MR Sunak. Where there is shame there is fear and where there fear there is shame. SOCRATES
@george6977
@george6977 6 ай бұрын
A world tour of original art works is expensive and there's the risk of damage or theft.
@pankal
@pankal 6 ай бұрын
It is the Parthenon sculptures, not just marbles as if there is no art in them and certainly not Elgin's who did not create them, but removed them from their intended place of worship.
@thechurchofsupersampling
@thechurchofsupersampling 6 ай бұрын
It's a good precedent
@BsktImp
@BsktImp 6 ай бұрын
Oh aye, there must be some bad news quietly being buried by this convenient diplomatic impasse.
@kv2383
@kv2383 6 ай бұрын
Such a same the beautiful Parthenon marbles rottening in English wet mouldy environment than being displayed under gorgeous Athenian skies.
@nomoneynoproblems9761
@nomoneynoproblems9761 6 ай бұрын
Half of the Things in the Museum Are stolen 😂give them back
@dimitristsioplos4648
@dimitristsioplos4648 6 ай бұрын
Keep the replicas and give us back the originals
@ayiorgos
@ayiorgos 6 ай бұрын
..And in France, and Germany, and Rusia,U.S.A.and Italy,Spain, and in the Churches around Akropolis. :) :) :) ...A never ending list of where Greek artifacts are... Greece is everywhere: :)
@danknado97
@danknado97 6 ай бұрын
Note Lord Elgin was allowed to pick the fallen parts and excavate the buried ones and he proceeded to saw the attached frieze 😢
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