Full Sky Debate: Freedom Of Speech Vs Freedom Of Religion

As broadcasters and newspapers around the world decide whether to publish provocative images of the Prophet Mohammed in a show of support for the Charlie Hebdo magazine, Sky News asks whether it is important to publish content when you know people object to it.
Guests are: Asghar Bukhari from the Muslim Public Affairs Committe, Douglas Murray from the Henry Jackson Society, Stig Abell from The Sun newspaper and Jodie Ginsberg from the Index On Censorship.
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[@russelldarrenoliver884]

I am so glad that Mr Bukhari was on the show, he epitomises the mentality of what the west must now deal with.

[@IdiotEarthworm]

What a pathetic figure this guy Bukhari is. Root of this type of behaviour comes from only one source which all these guys follow.

[@adamsbeer]

muslims : offended by everything - ashamed of nothing

[@curiosity9347]

Very very very well said👍👍👍

[@eddiehearn7482]

ash amed sounds like a middle eastern name

[@saraswatkin9226]

Why just pick on muslims?

[@FlyingSpaghettiMonster2000]

@@saraswatkin9226 I think the idea is that it isn't the only religion that is picked on, but rather the only one that is offended and reacts in this manner

[@bornwithoutconsentobviously]

@@saraswatkin9226 and again, the victim card

[@HTVBlu]

“What is freedom of expression? Without the freedom to offend, it ceases to exist.” Salman Rushdie

[@neomagneto84]

Unfortunately still appropriate to remind those today

[@leejackson8515]

Playing the 'Victim' card again. Lazy and childish by Mr Bukhari

[@stanislavkurejko8041]

That muslim never said anything negative about the murder, basicly, he justified it. And that is against freedom, in TV!!!

[@moniquenew]

When I first became an admirer of Douglas Murray. Still his greatest ever interview for which he ought to be remembered

[@codysparks1454]

For me I became an admirer of him when I first saw his interview on the Strange Death of Europe. This man is truly incredible

[@tomsmith8511]

Bravo to Douglas, he carries the torch on for the late great Christopher hitchens.

[@Mpr91]

Douglas Murray is a hero

[@MeathookCinema]

Douglas Murray- LEGEND

[@GilbertoPOA]

The man is saying that to publish Muhamad is so racist as to publish a “black person in a zoo like an animal”; but, for example sake, Idi Amin Dada was an Ugandan dictator and it happens he was black; he was a very, very bad person and could easily be draw in a cartoon as a dangerous animal in a zoo. In this video particular case, Muhamad is a muslin, he is not all muslins. Or would the Ugandans think the cartoonist meant all of them when draw the hypothetical cartoon? Certainly not. It is a critic to a particular person, and if it is particular, it is not aimed to all race, so it cannot be racist.

[@mili3212]

really interesting point

[@riton349]

Funny that Idi Amin was also a muslim.

[@GeneralMe100]

I really feel for Douglas Murray. listening to the absolute stupidity is soul destroying, coupled with the absolute lack of guts shown by the press, this whole thing Is dangerously ridiculous, Religion is so petty and mentally challenged that I find it really difficult to even listen to this kind of debate and Islam is the most pathetic Religion of them all.

[@MrMjc2010]

Asghar Bukhari was quite possibly the worst person to use in a debate like this. There should have been a better representation for Islam/Muslims on the debate.

[@nepalihercules]

like who? abu hamza?

[@iSk00L]

Why was he not a good representation of Muslims? Do they disagree with what he said?

[@switchbladefights82]

Some folks from the Quillam Foundation would be better. Ashgar seems to be some sort of pan-Islamist. He has this fantasy that the Muslim world was a united entity before the 19th and 20th centuries. Like some sort of earthly paradise for Muslims (but hell for the dhimmis/infidels/non-muslims who were there first). This guy only cements the worst fears of those who don't know much about the religion.

[@iSk00L]

switchbladefights82 I disagree. I don't think the guys from Quilliam Foundation would be *representative* of the Islamic world view. If I'm not mistaken, they are an antiterrorism think-tank, so would be at odds with what many Muslims feel about this whole issue of cartoons depicting Muhammad. Being *more palatable does not qualify one as being a "better" participant to a debate* - rather I would argue that this clown Bukhari may be more representative of the views held by many. Also note that the founder of the Quilliam Foundation has been called an "apostate" and subject to death threats from his "fellow" Muslims.

[@leejackson8515]

I think Sky may have known this...

[@iSk00L]

This debate was rubbish - gave too much platform to the rambling Muslim and very little to Douglas Murray. I recommend watching any religion debate involving Richard Dawkins, Laurence Krauss or Christopher Hitchens

[@Roberto89gbbr]

my thoughts exactly, although that douglass murray does a good job trying to cope with a screaming match.

[@iSk00L]

Mohamed ThePedophile good video (if a bit long).

[@iSk00L]

R fab yeah. He normally livens up these otherwise sleepy debates.

[@iSk00L]

shinobi38 fascist? Why?

[@iSk00L]

shinobi38 Example? Any videos on KZbin to demonstrate this? I'm aware he is rightwing, but I wouldn't describe him as a fascist - subject to tangible evidence to the contrary.

[@Chuiboo]

"We should not conflate racism with religious criticism. I think that's a very dangerous development when we start to talk about criticizing religions as racism." Of course, the guy in the studio is well aware of what he's doing.

[@ruthbashford3176]

The terrorist attack at Charlie Hebdo made me realise western governments are frightened of Islam. JE SUIS CHARLIE

[@Joker6.0]

I'm glad she fought to let him speak uninterrupted. More people need to defend others' right to speak & be heard. Good on her.

[@bules6790]

Let me please finish my point. That was brutal by Douglas

[@mohamedthepedophile4789]

Oh! It was the Foreign Policy! I thought they shouted "We have avenged the prophet Mohamed!" and "Allahu akbar!" *I guess they talked about foreign policy after they got back in their car...*

[@followerofjesus1984]

This Muslim in the studio has made a blunder -- saying these picture strips is "Racist" and then comparing it to one of most cruel period in recent history - that of the segregation of the black people because of their skin colour is a ludicrous comparison. First of all Islam is not a race, it is a religion. Do not mix those categories up. Second, it is the right of all humans to have both freedom of religion and speech, and to express their view on all matters (including Islam) in what ever manner they choose. What is more interesting is this new idea of offence. Even according to the hadith of Islam the Prophet gave the believer the right to do just the same as what Charlie Hebdo has done. It completely hypocritical of this man in what he is saying.

[@abigailslade3824]

It cannot be allowed to continue spot on Mr Murray.

[@GaoDaHoi]

Poor Murray, I believe he was suffering from a headache after listening to that apologist.

[@drzakir123]

+WenLi Yang I think he should get drunk and sleep.i think if this douglas start satirising jews for 6 months and we see what happen.

[@bornwithoutconsentobviously]

@@drzakir123 he probably won't be butchered

[@anthoo0101]

who is this man? how can he say that Charlie Hebdo's drawers are racists? I"m french and i can tell that this guy doesn't know at all what he is talking about!!! Je suis Charlie, and Charlie is everything but racist!!!

[@singlendhot8628]

Douglas is SPOT ON! He deserves a much larger platform!

[@James-iz9qb]

The only difference between the man featured here and the shooters is lack of courage. If he wasn't a coward he would be the one committing these acts because they cohere with his beliefs as demonstrated by his reaction here. So he is actually worse than them morally. Their viewpoints are the same but he would rather sit in the safety of a society who he despises rather than actually act out the barbaric ideology he really believes in.

[@oxigenhalogen337]

Imagine the IQ of someone saying: Muslim is a race. Just stop for a second and think to this.

[@jennydawson6952]

Douglas M is ever so charming and clever. He has also established himself to be a master of rhetoric, and no less an artist of persuasion.

[@fabrizio483]

"Prominent and outspoken Muslim activist Asghar Bukhari has left the UK for the UAE, disillusioned by a Muslim community which he says isn’t willing to do what it takes to defend itself."

[@goboffski505]

Hooray!

[@nileshjak8210]

Good

[@srizki]

Carlos Latuff, a world renowned Brazilian cartoonist, told Daily Sabah, “It is an everlasting discussion, because what is freedom of speech and what is hate speech? Why are some subjects protected by freedom of speech and others not? Why can we mock some issues and cannot do so with others? Should Holocaust denial, for example, be included as freedom of speech, or racial hatred? See, for example, the treatment given by the Western mainstream media to Muhammad cartoons and the Holocaust cartoons.”

[@suzimonkey345]

It’s now 2018. There are countless television debates on this subject....I’ve NEVER seen these cartoons! It’s a HUGE subject for debate BUT we can’t see what is being debated! Jeremy Corbyn has been called antisemitic for defending the “Jewish banker mural”. The general consensus appears to be that the mural IS VERY antisemitic yet EVERY video shows the image being discussed. The Charlie Hebdo cartoons are divisive. There is NO consensus that the cartoons were “racist” yet they are NOT shown....

[@The_Mad_King_Aerys]

Mental they are more bothered about people being offended than the 12 people that were brutally murdered.

[@mikeenwright333]

Islam is not a race and therefore, the comparison between Muslims and Black people is invalid. And that fact alone undermines the Muslim guy's argument. Islam is a religion that people choose to adopt to varying degrees. All Muslims do not accept the tenets of Islam to the same degree.

[@SISTIC1]

if i'm biased against jew's i'll probably be called antisemitic, right? and if i'm biased against muslims it'll be "freedom of speech".

[@SISTIC1]

mikeenwright333 under uk law, in accordance with the mc pherson report recommendations, nationality, ethnicity, race and religion are to be regarded as interchangeable terms, and offenses against a person or group motivated by any of these criteria is to be regarded as racist, so in law there is no distinction between a racial group and a religious group.

[@LydmusicInfo]

this Muslim is trying to use "the jews" as human shield.

[@peps7274]

-Look Asghar, Charlie Hebdo's people were killed because they drew and publishd caricatures of the Prophet. -Yeat, it's so sad to see such racist people dead.

[@paulspydar]

& as I watch this on the 27th of July 2016 I just saw on the morning News that another attack in France has just happened leaving a catholic priest dead,

[@lessismore7750]

But at least they didn't draw a picture of Mohammed.

[@flkfnd]

and as I watch this in 2021, a year ago in 2020 a teacher was beheaded for showing those cartoons in a school, and ANOTHER wave of attacks in France made it into a Summer of Blood. and as of 2021, a teacher in the UK hides for fear of is life, after showing the same cartoons.

[@claudelara7127]

Douglas for PM

[@YouCantEscapeTheBlob]

The title of this seems to imply that freedom of speech and freedom of religion are somehow mutually exclusive, when if anything the opposite is true.

[@Muerteblanc]

No freedom of speech is also freedom of religion. Freedom is not only for Muslim enslavers. Thats the whole point.

[@dunjak111]

If Islam (or any other religion) was as strong as said, how come it stumbles over these little cartoons?

[@odunayor]

I have been asking every muslim i ever came across in the past 5yrs jus one question which they haven't been able to answer. Question: If God created human by himself without your help, WHY does he need your help to kill the same human he created by himself by himself!????

[@kimberleyparker8229]

Douglas Murray is superb !

[@jon8864]

When ever Bukhari is speaking at least one of the 3 giant peopel behind him are shaking their heads.

[@SherifElnewehy]

Douglas Murray is a hero.

[@monrush]

Douglas well said sir. Well said

[@Frohicky1]

We made an editorial decision not to get killed.

[@MrTalalyusuf]

When did ridiculing a person's faith become a part of a discussion of rights?

[@Demonoicgamer666]

How is drawing a Muslim as a Muslim racist? Even if it is freedom of expression means complete freedom of expression the only restriction is not hurting others to prove your point.

[@erniehudson1]

Don't forget 20. May is "Everybody draw Mohammed Day". Draw Moe and upload your pics on KZbin, Twitter, Facebook ...

[@davidkellar6732]

Cannot be allowed to continue no

8:42- 9:03 The most balanced view expressed all throughout this circus of a "debate"

[@kvin9210]

It's not balanced. Bukhari is filth

[@kvin9210]

Balanced argument starts at 9:15

[@Prolix8]

Charlie Hebdo a racist newspaper? Baffling! I'm lost for words.

[@databang]

Hey Asghar! SAY IT, DON'T SPRAY IT!

[@towers950]

Douglas Murray Legend

[@christojoseph1933]

Islam is not a race it is an idea i can can be a muslim tommorow if i chose to but not a black of Chinese guy and stupid guy kept say that Charlie hebdo was racist for making fun of an idea

[@Dinaafaneh92]

Islam is not an idea, it is the Devine religion and laws chosen by the god of the heavens and the earth for mankind to follow and if u do not believe in Allah the almighty then there will be consequences for u. U will go to hellfire. I urge u to read Quran as it is the direct word of the creator of the heavens and the earth, convert to Islam so that u are successful in this life and the next one

It's sharia blasphemy laws, nothing more. This isn't about religion: it's about a mass murdering pedophile psycho who should be derogated every day, by law. That 1.8 billion people worship a monster is disgusting; that the Islamic faith also mandates death for blasphemy as well as warfare against disbelievers, sanctions pedophilia and sex slavery and rape within marriage, as well as rape of infidels, is likewise repulsive and this should be clearly stated.

[@KeiranCounsellKC1994]

douglas murray, wonderful, smart man. one who speaks common sense and doesnt suffer fools gladly.

[@WUBrummie]

Poundshop Powell crying about Free speech is a bit ironic considering he set up the Henry Jackson Society 😂

[@ruthevans1249]

Go on Get em told Douglas 💪

[@ThePaulwebb]

this guy cant even seem to control him self lol what chance is there

[@mariella9747]

Wow, this was a 4 against 1 argument and stillhe held his ground. Awesome debate from his account, can't say much about the rest unfortunately.

[@bradenanderson6989]

15:09 jesus this Stig Abell guy is ridiculous.

[@ConnorGrantham]

I would of loved to here Christopher kitchens on this.

[@Steve80458]

How are these tweets in any way racist?

[@bloodcottoncandy]

If we can make comics of Jews or Christians then Islam should not be exempt.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

BTW, where was the War on Terror when the Barbary Coast States started attacking American ships and enslaving the crews?

[@doriotclaine]

Living in a world of slander is common tongue in America. Absolutely absurd no one continued its publications, I guess there’s where they conceded to the Jewish star.

[@Air51]

Going back and watching this illogical apologist stutter in front of Douglas makes me grab my coffee and wait for the response...although I've watched it 20 times! lol Douglas LOVES confrontation but hes educated and relentless when he's either attacked or someone turns up to a fight unprepared.... Love the guy!

[@eliyahukim860]

Doesn't Quran teach that they should be patient and endure any criticism with patience? If not, the religion needs some improvement!

[@drzakir123]

+Elijah Kim ur right actually.keep reading the quran good luck

[@MarkHaywoodOfSparta]

racist ... a person who shows or feels discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or who believes that a particular race is superior to another. race .... each of the major divisions of humankind, having distinct physical characteristics. religious ... belonging or relating to a monastic order or other group of people who are united by their practice of religion. Racism (physical) is not about religion (beliefs). @08:45

[@sackfulofnews]

Religion, politics and sex, when put centre stage, tells of a motive in place; and motive is rarely unselfish. Should respect to these three subjects be brought to the human level of perception, only then will the love of power extinguish.

[@gerritsprado1]

why dont sharly hebdo gone a be a online news paper. and working from home

[@davytornado859]

I dont think that Asghar Bukhari is clever enough to debate anything with Douglas Murray, he loses the argument every time. There are far better Muslim debaters than him. They need to get rid of him and front somebody who can represent them better.

[@antiatlantism7509]

little bch douglas murray shaking head like hes arguing with his boyfriend

[@grandadmiralthrawn9231]

Every single media outlet should have stood up for free speech in the west and they all should have shown that cartoon to show how pathetic Islamists are

[@InsertNameHere73894]

Destroyed!

[@mehcol]

That stig of the dump is a dhimmi

[@mysticoversoul]

Much ado about nothing. Cute Stig.

[@footballfans2031]

just learn about what we call SARA (suku, ras, dan agama) in Indonesia. thats similar like racist in western,

[@dpremi1126]

When French president Mr. serkozi celebrity wife one journalist call as” prostitute women” he loss his control he, lost tolerance even he, forgot he is a president of a great French country who believe in freedom of express peace and unity get so much angry he warn him he will “break his mouth “ than imagine what about those 200 million Muslims of all over the world feelings for Great prophet Mohammed to whom every Muslims love and remember millions of times in all over the world. Who removed racism ,black and white difference ,who teach love to slave who restore women respect among cruel Arabs community society and culture where small baby girls buried before Prophet Mohammed. Due to the great teaches of prophet Mohammed and Islam even Jews paid criminal cartoonist team of CHAREL HEBDO women members do not kill by the prophets lover which was possible for them they forgive her just at warning. If French Gov is true let open and clean investigation allow by the experts of world including some Muslims officers. it will be also a 9/11 of French after which many world and French people my accept Islam those 2 brave Muslims prophet lover not the hater of freedom of express or humanity or women but they were just the hater of those criminals cartoonist who were mis using the power of pen killing the holy sprit of journalism. Muslims even in anger condition never insult JESUS,MARY, MOSA or any messenger of GOD. It is prohibited in great Prophet Mohammed (P.B.U.H)teaches.

[@boejiden.1445]

WOW. are they letting a Muslim guy who can speak english on TV?? are they gonna ban him, like Malcolm X?

[@kvin9210]

Except Bukhari had no facts

[@privatespam]

muslim publish some of the most anti semitic cartoons in the world,on par with the worst of the Nazis,more muslim hypocrasy

[@williamhumphreys4372]

At 5:20 is that a man with no pants on?

[@potterj09]

too much dolche, coffee & takfir.

[@kunalgupta6402]

i will worship Doughlas Murray , and eliminate anyone who makes offensive memes on him

[@isaacfemi1523]

there must be more orientation on religion issues from the religions leader to there followers

[@KnightsTemplarChurch]

#RISEKNIGHTS #JESUS #LASTCRUSADE #AMEN

[@aboodm7md896]

00000

[@lp1100]

Regardless of religion, should 13 year olds be subjected to charlie hebdos cartoons which I feel are of adult material some appear vulgur.

[@zoroluffy355]

It's illogical to logic with french because they can make cartoon of someone dead mother or making fun of tragic incidents!

[@jasonv5151]

What about Islam, can we criticize Islam which is not people?

[@americanatheart110]

The more u get offended the more ur get rediculed. Stop getting offended, people stop rediculing u.

[@brianfinnegan664]

Sky news, cowards

[@rajivchaudhari]

Look at the clarity of thought from Douglas Murray. The part that got me was when we spoke about Hong Kong (as I am based in Hong Kong) and how while huge numbers of people form here are moving to the UK, they were still brought up under the British legal system. We still have common law here! So it is obviously easier for hkers to integrate in the UK!

[@GabrielaaCOLOMBIANA]

Does this guy realize that "Muslim" and a "race" are two different words? Racism applies to a race, not a religion. Its a choice to convert to Islam, but Islam itself is not something "genetic"- aka not a race.

[@ALMu7rami]

yeah but when people judge u on ur believes or on your religion this became recisim ( we shouldn't have this much hate , we can be really open minded and be more loving ! i always disliked people who shout be open minded but when u don't they judge u for not being ! but isn't judging a person on what he think and don't accept him is anti-open-minded ?)

[@Joki266]

ALMu7rami It is not. rac·ism ˈrāˌsizəm noun the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races. prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

[@jack-gx3bg]

i think he might be talking about arabs, as he is dressed like a an arab etc

[@MrOmnos]

Atal Habibi so Arabs are the only Muslims...?? Half of Muslim world is black Mr. Atal Habibi.

[@RogerPowell8]

Well said. If a person can convert to Islam, then it's not a race.

[@55hivealive3]

Ashgar "Douglas is a coward and afraid to publicly debate me" Douglas "uhmm, we're having a public debate right now" Ooof

[@FastestSpeakerscorner]

It's the muslim shuffle. Ad hominem!

[@switchbladefights82]

Its funny that Ashgar rants about Western colonialism when some of his articles praise the Ottoman & Mughal Empires as ideal historical examples of Islamic power & unity. He glosses over the fact that these two empires were even more imperialist, colonialist & repressive than the West.

[@mercy8545]

I love how they cut to Douglas Murray for like 10 seconds while he's just shaking his head

[@masterofnone8400]

Absolutely love Douglas Murray

[@garyjaensch7143]

Thankyou for showing that the only person there who wanted to offend and interrupt was defending Islam

[@ximbos]

Who’s the Muslim with the neurological disorder?

[@markcasey1143]

Mr Bukhari,said that Muslims are not treated with respect. If people like him are representing Muslim's,they will never get respect. Respect is not a right,it has to be earned.