Elite JUSTO Smart Trainer: Details // Review // Lama Lab Tested!

[@HamandSwiss5283]

Looks like an old movie projector, I actually dig the design.

[@richardstephenson5489]

Always wait and buy off your reviews, the Direto a few years ago and now a Justo, thanks, keep up the good work 👍

[@gplama]

Will do! Thanks for the great feedback!

[@WowRixter]

Love my XR, and would upgrade if I need another trainer. It's good to see the development of something really good from Elite. Since they slowed down the monthly release of various new trainers they can focus efforts on a really solid single new product

[@raphaeltiziani7476]

Still using a Direto from 2017, flawlessly. Just installed a new belt in 2020. This winter its maybe time for an upgrade. The support of ELITE here in Italy is just insane. Its really good.

[@bensy010]

Love my direto xr. Not surprised to see an even better trainer from elite now and I like the form factor

[@JimHaysom]

Now have The Outhere Brothers’ Don’t Stop (Wiggle Wiggle) in my brain!

[@LukeGJPotter]

The mullet really suits Dr. Slane.

[@StephenLaneHPTek]

It is pronounced like the ‘Juice-toe… it is a mullé

[@TrekRidley]

Nice review as always

[@netwalkergoogle]

Really interested to see how they implement Dircon…and curious why they don’t just use WiFi for it instead of an network dongle…

[@BusterDonuts]

Sixth Gen Kickr + climb vs justo + rizer? what do you recommend for someone wanting to get the most out of zwift & Price for performance.

[@the_real_cansin]

I have justo + rizer. I am having some vibration from the trainer during resistance changes other than that it is good but I wouldn't buy it again. I am planning to buy a kickr v6 in soon and I will see the real difference. No youtube reviewer is 100% fair about their content when they compare brands, they even avoid comparing directly the models from different brands. So I couldn't find a very good comparison between them but I believe kickr v6 will be much more smooth than Justo because it uses electromagnets for managing resistance vs the stepper motor in Justo which I believe causes vibrations during the resistance changes. I am more than happy with Rizer. I would buy kickr v6 + rizer :)) Because I think Rizer is more adjustable, durable and stable.

[@galenkehler]

Nifty!

[@keithfromchute8885]

It would have been great to hear your opinion on how the Justo matches up against the best of Tacx and Kickr.

[@gplama]

They're all on the path to converge into an indistinguishable offering, to be honest. They all pack a punch for max gradient, work well in SIM and ERG, auto calibrate, quiet (enough) etc. Ride feel the Kickr and Justo are similar given their weighty flywheels. Gradient changes on the Kickr being a little smoother given the design (electromagnetic) vs stepper motor (Justo). The Neo units still feel just a little different due to their simulated flywheel. I feel the Neo is a little more punishing right at threshold in ERG if you back off the pedals.

[@wesw6787]

@@gplama Does the Neo feels more like the Kickr Bike (which also has an elektromagnetic resistance instead of a flywheel if I'm correct)?

[@radekpodrez7712]

What about non-powered mode? Can you zwift as long as you move your legs, or can it only mantain steady power and no smart non-powered trainer?

[@BrianKellison]

Was there an initial firmware update and if so, how satisfying was it?

[@gplama]

No firmware updates yet. I’ll keep an eye out for one though… just because firmware updates are like Christmas! 😉👌🏼

[@sobhanmokhtari2016]

Hello, can you help me with something? While cycling with elite justo, I notice that the display power meter goes up and down a lot. For example, if I want to move 200 watts, it will display like this: 210, 180, 120, 240, 210, 140. Is this normal?

[@brianwilson3881]

Shane, With the Jetblack Volt v2 trainer, if not plugged in, does it still have resistance?Thanks Brian

[@gplama]

Unlikely. It’s an electromagnetic trainer, so needs power to apply resistance.

[@mss8322]

Better then the neo 2t or kickr if you just consider the ride feel?

[@OibikGetxo]

Shane, tried the Justo (without putting in the wheel plastic piece) and the cadence in always at 70rpm, not working, do you know what it may be happening? Thanks!

[@gplama]

One for Elite support. No idea why that’d be happening.

[@Matthew25405]

I have a weird issue with my Justo, I mean I’m not sure if it’s a problem so that’s why I’m asking. Basically, sometimes there’s a noticeable vibration from the trainer that goes through the frame and to the handlebars, so it’s quite annoying when it happens. It’s not the end of the world of course, but still it makes the ride less comfortable. Yesterday I rode a rolling course on Watopia and I noticed that the vibration appears when the grade changes, so it’s likely something to do with the trainer resistance adjustment. Does anyone have the same thing? Otherwise I guess it might be a defect or something, in that case I’ll try to reach out to Elite support.

[@the_real_cansin]

I am having the same issue during resistance changes. It happens only on flattish routes. On steep climbs it is incredibly smooth. Actually it is not so disturbing but it makes the ride feel very unrealistic for a moment and annoys me. Basically it reminds me that you are riding on a machine 😅 I am thinking to buy a kickr but as I see many people having similar issues with kickr too.

[@doghouse010]

does this one come with a spacer to install an 8 speed cassette? i've read that prior trainers by elite did come with one.

[@gplama]

Likely. One for Elite Support to be sure.

[@mrttamilinas]

Hello, compare to Elite Drivo II, Justo it's still better? Thanks.

[@gplama]

The Justo is a lot better.

[@IamTheMoose76]

Is there a Justo 2 or Avanti review upcoming?

[@gplama]

Yes.

[@IamTheMoose76]

@@gplama Thank you for your response. Hopefully soon :)

[@IamTheMoose76]

@@gplama Any update on the Justo 2 review. I hope the late reviews mean there is something wrong with the Justo 2 and Avanti. I bought the Justo 2 on BlackFriday, and have much trouble with accuracy. :(

[@gplama]

@@IamTheMoose76 My review is on hold. I’ve had a few connectivity issues with early firmware. Can you give more detail on the accuracy issues you’re having?

[@IamTheMoose76]

@@gplama I sendt you some info on Twitter now. Looks like it have problems unde 200Watt. And with WiFi connection nothing seems to work. 😒

[@neilpetch1101]

So it’s the best elite turbo, but if you were spending your own money on a new direct drive turbo which one would you go for?

[@gplama]

If this is what I predict it will be here in AU, unfortunately not this one.

[@bensy010]

@@gplama you mean the retail price?

[@bensy010]

is this available in australia? i'm not seeing it online on pushys etc

[@gplama]

It should be. Elite (Cassons are the distributor here in AU) had them on the stand at the TdU last month.

[@hamleyn]

Are the wiggle feet compatible with the Direto XR by any chance?

[@gplama]

That’s a good question. I didn’t try install them on it….. yet.

[@hamleyn]

@@gplama I'd be keen to know as it might be an upgrade to put on for my Direto XR. Plus with bub no. 1 on the way, need to help dampen that sound a little on hard wooden floors!

[@mathewrose2951]

If they are compatible, I’d be down for the upgrade. I bought two XR trainers in the recent sale because we’re moving from Europe to North America this summer. We’ve got wood floors in one of our houses and my wife is going to make me dampen the vibration

[@Woody321]

Saved me asking the exact same question 👍 if sold separately and they fit I want some for my XR

[@mrwezbo]

You didn't go too much into details about the squishy feet - what kind of comfort gains are we looking at here? Compared to a static trainer, that same static trainer on a rocker plate, and other products like the tacx rail thingies? Lastly, what is their support like? For e.g my cycleops h2 has been pretty good, however saris' support in Aus. is complete garbage so I will not buy another unit of theirs.

[@gplama]

There's not really much to cover. It wiggles. Just a little. Comfort is a subjective thing. It's no rocker plate. I don't use a rocker plate. I really don't like how they feel out of the saddle. They also take up a LOT of room. RE: Saris support. Nobody knows. That company is in financial difficulties. I'd look at alternative product until they can find a new owner.

[@HerminioGonzalezHerm]

How do I remove the preinstalled hub? I need to install a sram xdr hub. Do I need a special adapter to remove the preinstall hub?

[@gplama]

Either a 5mm hex or 17mm wrench. Standard tools.

[@HerminioGonzalezHerm]

Why on elite videos they claim we need to order a special tool from them? kzbin.info/www/bejne/mWqVkGyjaKp0o7ssi=NyUJQQmSTrNlcu3o

[@gplama]

That’s one for Elite support to answer. I don’t know.

[@HerminioGonzalezHerm]

Thanks I will pick up a 17mm wrench. I was confused watching their video. I placed an order for that special tool that they described in their video, going see if I can get refund.

[@gplama]

@@HerminioGonzalezHerm What was the name of the tool? (links can't be posted here... but if you give me the name I'll look into what it was)

[@RossTheNinja]

I might invest in some kind of makeshift wiggly feet

[@kojie333]

What sprocket gearing are u using with the TCR?

[@gplama]

I have no idea to be honest. Likely a 11-28.

[@graemesayer3068]

Wheel size 215mm?! Seems rather small. Not missing a digit somewhere?

[@gplama]

That is correct. Elite have a different way of doing things.

[@alanpeirce7292]

This versus kickr ?

[@gplama]

They're converging a LOT on features now. The Kickr will have the edge in pricing (and availability at this point in time).

[@MrSuicycle]

@@gplama Elite Trainers have a history of low street prices in Europe. I bought my Direto at €599 and my Direto X-RT at €649. If The Justo will also have a lower street price than suggested, then it will be a really good alternative to a Kickr. And most likely my next trainer. ;) It's too bad that it's not the same for you in Australia.

@@MrSuicycle 730 EUR for Justo now in Poland. Similar to Kickr Core.

[@dominikk7237]

Thank you for the review. Could you please compare erg mode on Justo vs. Direto XR. I have Direto XR and I am not happy with ERG mode and dont't use it any more. Is there any progess in Justo in this field?

[@gplama]

My reviews of each init cover the ERG performance (both stability and accuracy). ERG performance can be subjective based on how smooth you pedal.

[@soanamilts8743]

No Oz pricing because not available in Oz? (Yet?)

[@gplama]

Correct. I have a suspicion it’ll be nudging close to the AU$2k mark with the import costs/etc. 😟

[@renson326806]

That makes the Kickr look like a bargain at less than 1600 AUD at the moment.

[@ugorossi4893]

the right pronounce is like: yusto (it is not italian but venetian language)

This or Direto XR ?

[@gplama]

That's your call.

@@gplama Justo ordered.

[@xKillYourTVx]

Hows the justo?

[@industryrule-4080]

It's significantly better looking than the Kickr or Tacx, too.

[@Fuuntag]

So, I just watched A Current Affair...😅

[@abedfo88]

This has me thinking, can i just glue some squash balls under my suitos legs hmmm

[@titaniumben9923]

I've asked Ray, but I'll ask here to help the algorithm, does this trainer still suffer the "Elite effect" of delay in zwift supertuck, so damn annoying at times.

[@titaniumben9923]

Oh wait, I jumped the gun 🔫, just watching now and you mention it 😃

[@gplama]

They list it as an improvement! I don’t recall having any issues with it in the Mega Pretz.

[@titaniumben9923]

@@gplama for group rides the supertuck is nerfed so it doesn't really matter - but in races, especially going over that little kicker 1km after the boxhill banner, having the "Elite effect" delay can make or break holding the pack. It's already a treacherous spot as it is 🤦‍♂️ many top riders ditch the XR because it ruins their races.

[@stephenbetley9596]

Nice new features for Elite at least. But damn, it's fugly. With Wahoo doing some serious discounting atm on the Kickr v5, and potentially doing so in the longer term with market saturation they're going to have some serious issues pushing this. Maybe not the best time for a new trainer.

[@gplama]

Eurobike week is the best time of year to announce a trainer… well… it was. Things are a little rocky now and will be for a while.

[@bensy010]

I don't mind the look of it

[@aim-at-me]

@@bensy010 i think it looks great.

[@lookinforanick]

Must be said, whoever is the director of design at Elite must like brutalism and bauhaus a lot. This is clearly the inbreed child of a smart trainer, a heater and a portable radio from the 90s. 😂 Full disclaimer I have a suito and in general love their products. But between this and that riser of theirs...

[@kojie333]

That handle will eventually rip

[@gplama]

The leather BDSM strap? That's a handle!? 😉

[@kojie333]

@@gplama hahaha

[@kevinmills3329]

First 😎

[@energylab6277]

How rubbish are those velokicks shoes? Worst dials in cycling.

[@gplama]

Haven’t had any issues with them. What model are you wearing?