Ellie and Joel's Last Conversation | The Last of Us Part II

[@simsforever791]

Ellie: My life would have mattered Joel on inside: Your life matters to me

[@hobbyfarm8783]

That’s what I was thinking, you smary

[@Mustang_Rider86]

@@hobbyfarm8783 *smart

[@hobbyfarm8783]

@@Mustang_Rider86 yeah I know spelling error

[@hensinks]

And?

[@DGD355]

@@hensinksShut up

[@Lee-yj1hs]

I just wanted to hug Joel so badly in this moment.

[@edgarasmarkevicius1129]

Joel was holding back tears and no one can tell me otherwise

[@donet0death240]

You can 100% hear him getting choked up. Excellent vocal performance.

[@Pin0games]

Yea bro it’s like your daughter saying she doesn’t want you in her life but she wants to try

[@sauce6746]

Was pretty obvious

[@skylerhather5102]

Well.. yeah lol

[@yunggrooki4768]

It’s called acting, we all can tell lmao

[@meowzersa]

I know Ellie regrets *this* being their last genuine conversation

[@glossyplane542]

Probably not entirely though. She is definitely sad that she never got the chance to truly rekindle their relationship but she at least got to tell him that she’s ready to try rekindling it, which is better than him dying thinking he’ll never be friends with her again

[@Sophie-ji3jo]

On one hand yes. She never got to forgive him. But she atleast got to talk to him again. Telling him that she still cared about him....

[@theoutsiderjess1869]

I think she regrets not talking to him for 2 years even more

[@meowzersa]

@@theoutsiderjess1869 I don’t know which is worse

[@MJofficial497]

I think she needs to understand that he her life means the world to him and he was told to protect her not let her die because of brain surgery

[@hoseinkeshavarzi9302]

"I would like to try " with broken sound kills my heart every time

[@coffinboy556]

Joel agrees with bashed brains and a golf club:

[@jester0015]

Bro......That "Yup" from Joel sounded so hurt man

[@nateborie6329]

“If somehow the lord gave me a second chance at that moment, I would do it all over again.” Whether Ellie liked it or not, her very existence changed Joel and made him into a better person after twenty years of suffering. Ellie may not have been able to see a life beyond her immunity and the possibility for saving humanity, but Joel could, because he was able to find that life. He became a father again, and he was going to do anything and everything to protect his daughter. In a way, it’s poetic that this was the last conversation Joel and Ellie had before he died. Their relationship was being rebuilt, only to have it cut short. It explains Ellie’s trauma, because she had the chance to bring their relationship back, but lost it.

[@BaldingSince1999]

Nobody cares about the book you wrote in comments. This game is trash af. She kills hundreds for no reason..oh wait it was for revenge until the last second when she gives up 😆 🤣 😆 🤣 😆 the entire game is pointless and the writers clearly hate ellie.

[@lnxmpmeza6909]

​@@BaldingSince1999 your opinion, I think It was a great game, though a piece of me also died with Joel that day

[@fgc1850]

Im 14 and this is deep

[@GennyH]

​@@BaldingSince1999the game is great joel didnt deserve that you gotta do what you gotta do to protect someone, laughing and sht abby was a btch, this game is great

[@whyareyoureadingthislookaw8319]

@@BaldingSince1999Tlou2 has amazing writing but the story isn't for everyone because the writers decided to make it super dark and depressing which I and many other people like. And at the end of the day objectively at the end of the story you can argue Ellie is a worse person than Abby because she lets revenge consume her. But I like to remind people that her story probably isn't over.

[@Michaelmyerzofficial]

Imagine how painful it would feel to have the last conversation with a loved one be an argument before they died that must hit hard

[@aloe_]

And she really did want to try because she was literally going to invite Joel to watch the movie the day he died But never got to 😭😭

[@danielnasamu4311]

Fr?

[@hgarcia7112]

​@@danielnasamu4311for real, at the start of the game Dina asks Ellie what shes doing later and she says watching a movie with Joel 😢

[@barbuck1272]

​@@hgarcia7112Yeah I remember.. If only Joel and Tommy weren't on duty that day

[@DGD355]

@@barbuck1272It’s all abbys fault for having a doctor for a dad

[@e_e_v_r]

​@@DGD355yeah 😅😅

[@Nimblescape]

I think what makes it really heartbreaking, is whether or not Joel saved her, none of it would’ve ever been her own actual choice.

[@Micheal93k]

😂she literally saying it was her choice lol

[@Nimblescape]

@@Micheal93k not really. When she went into surgery, she didn’t know she was gonna die in the procedure. It wasn’t a fully informed choice.

[@clackracks2349]

@@Micheal93kshe only knew after

[@fgc1850]

Who cares? Joel is the protagonist in the first game and the doctors were gonna kill ellie, doesnt really matter if its for a vaccine or not

[@fgc1850]

​@@Micheal93kplay the first game

[@LBozo12368]

Man joel looks sad as shit sad

[@GGFamily_hm8]

Because he lost sarah and he want to safe Ellie 😭 if ellie she what he lost she will forget but how she didn't forgiving joel but she forgiving what abby do🤬😡

[@fgc1850]

​@@GGFamily_hm8exactly

[@lucifero__]

This Joel wouldn't exist. This is all thanks to poor writing. Originally Joel would realistically die in a shootout

[@GGFamily_hm8]

He was the best

[@brandonlc]

​@@GGFamily_hm8Fix your grammar dude, I can't understand you.

[@automaticwriting4220]

This last flashback gives the ENTIRE story a new context. The context that was hidden from us until. It’s another layer of looking into Ellie’s motives. Her mission was revenge, grieving, sorting out those last complicated emotions and words she had with Joel, being mad at him for what he did but also beating herself up about not being his friend again sooner. I think she felt a lot of guilt and a little lost looking for a new meaning to her life only to find out that she didn’t really want to kill Abby, she just wanted Joel and had gotten in way over her head. Her actions killed all of Abbies friends and killed, disabled or led her friends to abandon her. She’s the proverbial Ahab in this rendition of Moby Dick, her sheer will and wrath chasing after the white whale sank the whole ship and took the crew down with her. She’s alone, the one thing that scares her most.

[@ivannunez8738]

Nahh the writing was really bad.

[@I_shidded_and_farded]

@@ivannunez8738It was executed poorly. Ellie killed dozens upon dozens of people, only for her to randomly change her mind once confronted with Abby. Ellie literally executed an unarmed dude not long before her fight with Abby, yet she all of a sudden has a change of heart. The idea and message is great, but they executed it in a terrible way. I would have preferred if Ellie went ahead and killed Abby, showing that she is still young and has a lot of growing to do. Also, having both Joel and Ellie make a morally questionable choice at the end of both of their games just fits. It would leave TLOU3 to show Ellie grow as a person

[@coffinboy556]

@@ivannunez8738seriously people are just grabbing whatever they can latch onto to think this is a good part 2💀

[@justlurkingat8]

Well put. It was a bold step the writers took and saw it to it's end. I recently played the first part and part 2 made even more sense after playing the first one

[@tmm4195]

@@coffinboy556 To be fair there are definitely elements that make part 2 decent, and this person is partly right in what they are saying. It's easy to see what the writers were going for, but unfortunately, they kind of missed the mark

[@kadenmiles7372]

Can't believe Joel died like that still it still pains me

[@architdewan6717]

sad but honestly it’s how it would have happend.

[@kadenmiles7372]

@@architdewan6717yeah true but still it shocked me at first

[@architdewan6717]

@@kadenmiles7372 same but I love how they did it, no one expected it and it was emotional as hell

[@kadenmiles7372]

@@architdewan6717 I couldn't agree less

[@alexalexandru691]

Best death in the history of videogames imo

[@NinToby]

I never noticed his shaky sigh of relief the second after she says “I’d like to try” Troy Baker is amazing

[@ascjosh]

Joel’s death was heartbreaking.

[@isekai2zer051]

Nah it’s good and fun should have been more realismtic like his finger was gone off with the guns and then his skin taken apart while he was alive

[@AverageRdr2player324]

@@isekai2zer051What?

[@syndicate8251]

@@isekai2zer051u think u are funny?

[@letsplaygamer-f6i]

@@isekai2zer051 your not funny

[@8Dmusicyeeaa]

And was also dumb asf

[@DanielSanchez-ln6ok]

Man you can see the tear in his eyes man he loves Ellie so much

[@Harlz_2007]

You can see the pure emotion in this scene, their voices cracking, their eyes watering.. definitely one amazing scene in all of TLOU 8.4K just from an opinion?? Nah srsly tysm P.s. ive also started a war

[@BaldingSince1999]

Yeah. I love the part when she kills hundreds for no reason

[@BaldingSince1999]

Imagine looking for Abby for days, killing hundreds of innocent people and dogs, JUST TO GIVE UP ON YOUR MISSION AT THE END 😆 🤣 😆 🤣 😆 she literally spat on your money when she quit

[@BaldingSince1999]

"Pure emotion" lol. How much do you paid to gaslight this terrible trash game? Did you see the extremely emotional part when ellie killed hundreds for no reason?

[@usenamer3635]

@@BaldingSince1999nope, I got exactly what I payed for, a great story, sequel and gameplay

[@usenamer3635]

@@BaldingSince1999ut clearly your obsessed with hating the game due to you commitment of harassing this commenter

[@yellowishgreendragon.-.]

Joel had every right. There was also no guarantee that they could even create a cure. Killing the only immune person is also a terrible way of trying to create a cure, if it failed there would be no back up. Her death could have been meaningless.

[@diannebdee]

My feeling exactly. In the show, there are two doctors who categorically state there is no cure. And in this scene in the game, Joel should have handed Ellie a heaping dose of reality Joel Miller size. He should have told Ellie the rules as an adult, and she is the kid. I hate when they have kids mouthing off to the adults like this.

[@milacruz3970]

Not to mention they were trying to make a vaccine for a fungus and a vetenerian was doing the whole thing. Like what

[@Fangtorn]

No he didn't. First, even a remote chance of developing a cure is worth one girl's life. This is a world where girls like Ellie are ripped apart by clickers or murdered by raiders on a daily basis, and humanity is circling the drain to extinction. Ellie at the Firefly hospital was the last best chance to save mankind, and Joel ended it. He had _reason_ to do it but he didn't have a "right" to do that. His personal feelings are not more valuable than the potential survival of the human race. Second, it was also against Ellie's wishes, which Joel knew. Obviously the Fireflies didn't care about Ellie's wishes but they didn't care about Ellie in general, whereas Joel does care and knows enough about her to know she would've gone through the surgery. That's why he lies to her. It wasn't just about saving her life, it was also about preserving their relationship.

[@Fangtorn]

@@diannebdee Do you really think the point of those doctors in the show is to make the moral dilemma of the finale pointless? If there is no possibility of a cure than Joel is unequivocally in the right, which sucks all the moral ambiguity and narrative weight out of that ending. Also, you sound like one of those psychopathic parents who thinks they can treat children however they want because they're older. Ellie is roughly 18/19 at this point, not even Joel's biological kid, and has been lied to and gaslit her for years by him about the single most important thing in her life. You would have to have the emotional intelligence of a plank of wood not to understand why she might "mouth off" a bit at that.

[@Fangtorn]

@@crispyncrunchy1103 That's just not true.

[@andrewleyton6689]

Ellie thought her dead would make her life matter in a world that was already Beyond saving, she didn't realize she matter for someones world and when she finally understood it that world was Also beyond saving

[@axelateon1384]

Bad script

[@roken174]

​@@axelateon1384good script*

[@axelateon1384]

@@roken174 ok

[@natselim1720]

i agree the chances are very unlikely they would have been able to accomplish making a cure or vaccine for this but through her mutation and decades of studying it they’d be much closer to the goal than killing everyone with the slightest bit of formal medical training and this part isn’t about the actual probability of saving the world but ellie’s choice being taken away from her and the realization that comes with adulthood…finding ur purpose she felt she was a key piece in a huge part of history and now she’s stuck living in this dumpster fire of a world with no direction or hope

[@Psychobum91932]

​@@roken174absolutely psychotic take

[@EmpressSectonia]

This explains why Ellie wanted revenge. She was just starting to forgive him and build their relationship to what it used to be, but Abby it took that from her she killed every chance.

[@sweetfrog1275]

Him saying that he would do it all over again just shows how much he loves her and how much he's trying to show that he loves her

[@alib3208]

I wish Ellie knew her life already mattered. Not only to us as viewers but to Joel, to Tommy, Marie, Dina, Jesse. She mattered to so many people. I understand how Ellie feels but the truth is, the world is way beyond saving. And if I remember right, it was confirmed that the “cure” wouldn’t have worked and would’ve been useless anyway.

[@Fangtorn]

You remember wrong, there was never any guarantee but the Fireflies were convinced a cure was viable, and besides it completely robs the ending of any moral dilemma or narrative weight if it was impossible and Joel was unequivocally in the right. Also, why is the world is beyond saving? Doesn't a place like Jackson, where they're basically living a modern existence, disprove that notion? The world is only beyond saving if there's no cure. In that case humanity is a few generations away at best from extinction, but with a cure we're basically back to the pre-industrial state we endured for most of human history. It might take centuries but the world could be rebuilt eventually. I think Ellie know she matters to people, but to what? Maybe two dozen people? Whereas her sacrifice could have saved countless more.

[@Immortal_Sleepy]

And yet people say "Joel doomed humanity" humanity was already fucked for 20 years fireflies were delusional

[@Fangtorn]

@@Immortal_Sleepy Right, but with a cure humanity could eventually get unfucked, but now without one they're totally fucked, like extinction fucked, and it's Joel's fault.

[@fgc1850]

​@@Immortal_Sleepyagree, its a very silly plot point

[@EGGWISHING]

and how in the hell would they have the resources to manufacture enough vaccines to do any good???

[@lol_why_am_i_here]

This is already sad but the fact the “blue hair” was playing in the background made me sob so much more

[@Colorado-man]

Joel voice has me weak you can hear he's sadness in he's voice he knows he doesn't want to loose her

[@nameman7936]

"Joel, it was a canon event! You should not have interfered!"

[@CloudyJijiPhobia]

You did not-💀

[@shadxw_hunter]

💀

[@8Dmusicyeeaa]

Miguel comes over and spanks Joel

[@Zsomething5]

My boy Joel just needs more love I swear my boy Joel killed the entire fireflies to save her he just loves Ellie too much

[@heatherbowman9450]

she didn't realize that she mattered enough for him to sacrifice a cure for the end of the world and he wanted to nurture and care for her and hopefully let her grow up to be an amazing young woman and yet when she shows her fears of not having that he wishes he could give her safety from life of feeling worthless through mercy death😢❤

[@vworldgaming]

When he said “I would do it all over again” I felt it. And it broke me. I stopped playing games for a good 2 weeks I was depressed. 😔

[@EmeraldNight7]

The ,,yup" always hit hard...

[@FF_ACEyt]

Bro I was on the brink of crying at the end of this game it was so good with so many emotions 10/10

[@nikonjn3564]

Joel holding his tears and his-small Smile in the end got me feeling that there’s still hope for their relationship 🙏🏽

[@That_Toast]

The “I’ll see you around.” Got me

[@crazychickens8156]

This made me cry when I was playing this because it was literally the last things they said to eachother 😢

[@evelynncleghorn]

THE MUG IS THE ONE SHE PICKS UP AND SNIFFLES IM GONNA CRYYYY

[@LETSGOCLEM]

Joel was just trying to save Ellie's life

[@luizviniciusvieiraalexandr4979]

He doomed the world just for one life, Ellie's life, on his selfish move he doomed the world another chance of rebuilding Society.

[@vigilante9089]

​@@luizviniciusvieiraalexandr4979but do you honestly believe that the fireflies we're gonna share the vaccine around the world I highly doubt that

[@Fervent._]

@@luizviniciusvieiraalexandr4979mm the cure wasn’t gonna work if you haven’t noticed the World was already doomed and everyone was for themselves just fighting all mercilessly to survive and he couldn’t let her die she meant to much to him , would you seriously let your love one die for nothing ? But mhk already have your answer so pointless

[@luizviniciusvieiraalexandr4979]

@@Fervent._ my point still stands if they got a chance great a vaccine to make people imune the rebirth of Society cloud go much faster and even weaponized the vaccine agianst the infected.

[@AndreyXam]

​@@luizviniciusvieiraalexandr4979wdym selfish 😂 he already lost his daughter he blames himself. Would you want to see your daughter die again. Or atleast someone that was soo close to you. Stop acting like its Joel's fault

[@SonSimb4]

When she said "I would like to try" and then I saw his face, I knew he was happy to hear those words😪

[@juhjaybrums1119]

Such a great moment. Ellie is justified because her choice was taken from her. But Joel’s love is something beautiful. The man decided that he’d rather see the world end, even if he ends with it, than to lose his baby girl.

[@jamesspeed03]

Very few games have been able to evoke this level of emotion. It's raw, it's unforgiving, and it's portrayed by characters created with so much depth. I'm not a big gamer anymore, but both of these games got me.

[@oThisgo]

I would do it all over again is one of the greatest quotes in gaming

[@dundee420]

Honestly, Joel was right. If she died, for a chance for a cure, it would be chaos. People would try and steal it for their friends or family, then just cause wars. Then, it would most likely get destroyed.

[@S0UTHALT]

This scene was amazing ❤ I love tlou so much ❤️

[@Bekahboo-s9y]

To hear the pain in his voice is heartbreaking

[@jonathanm9986]

What Ellie doesn’t understand is that she didn’t need to die for her life to matter. Besides in a way she saved Joel’s life.

[@MakTops]

She gave him what was killed in him on that first cancer day, the death of his daughter, and he destroyed everything just for the sake of it, it is this thought that can be seen in Ellie’s eyes in the last scene.

[@pm4813]

Unpopular opinion, Joel did the right thing with Ellie at that hospital.

[@julianhurtado5767]

Not necessarily the RIGHT thing ,but his reason for crippling the fireflies, preventing a cure (yes, they would have made a cure, ignore the theory from MayPat) and stopping Ellie from dying are absolutely understandable. No one can shame him for caring for her enough to save her. But it's understandable for people to be mad at him for preventing a cure. (yes, the fireflies would've made a cure, ignore MatPats video or doctors on KZbin, they didn't write the game)

[@kindashwiftyngl671]

@@julianhurtado5767i mean wouldn’t you want a parent who would kill anyone and everything to save you i mean just think of all the stuff that would happen hunters everywhere fedra did not support the fireflies even if the cure was mad and shipped out sooo much would’ve went wrong besides we got the most badass and saddest scenes in both of those 10 mins playing

[@boboclanman]

not a opinion, a fact.

[@myersbabe24]

I agree... well It's honestly just difficult. While the logical solution would've been to sacrifice her for a slight chance of a cure, who would actually do that? I would rather let millions of people die, than sacrificing my own mother for example or someone I hold very deer. It's a horrible choice all around and It would of course be the better choice to sacrifice 1 for all but realisticly, there aren't many people who would actually do that.

[@fgc1850]

Unpopular on the internet, but common sense in reality

[@eliascancino4961]

The way Joel died it's simply ridiculous

[@annihilator_production]

Agree

[@automaticwriting4220]

Nah, that’s the point. Joel was always going to die a brutal death and frankly, the way he died was more realistic. It’s supposed to be shocking, it’s supposed to motivate you to feel something ugly. Literally, none of the main characters are traditional “good guys”. We only think they are because we see these little special stories I’m their lives but most people will have those regardless of they’re good or bad people. Joel and Tommy did A LOT of fucked things to people, Abby did fucked up things to people, Ellie did too, Dina was only halfway in with Ellie and would’ve left her if Jesse hadn’t died. This story is closer to what people would actually do in dire times with little to no law or structure outside of established settlements. This is a damn solid story, it challenges what we’ve been conditioned to think good and bad is, what revenge is, what people will do for those they love and what people truly want.

[@eliascancino4961]

@@automaticwriting4220 not pretty realistic on the way Joel just trust on a group of stranges with weapons, Joel need a cold death not a stupid one

[@eliascancino4961]

@@automaticwriting4220 I dont mean Joel it's good or bad, literally everybody understand that, but I mean how you kill a man with years of experience treating with people like the wolfs that easy

[@illfated6942]

​@@eliascancino4961facts

[@jayjay_7174]

This says a lot. We struggle to forgive and hold in grief, resentment for years and years then its too late. The person passes away without making closure😢😢😢. Forgive today not tommorow.

[@harisuwr]

this scene never get old

[@BeamoGame_n]

Joel reminds me so much of my father and it makes this game so much sadder

[@_XxLiaxX_]

Their beautiful, voices breaking up 💔

[@315katty]

When he says about second chance it breaks my heart. What a great man.

[@SZA-xm1hv]

this made me cry for 5mins then sad for couple weeks

[@SZA-xm1hv]

anyboyd want joel to secretly come back?

[@mikoajzaeski7215]

I have never even played/watched TLOU but AAAAAA! The voice acting! *screams in agony* I WANNA CRYYYYY😭

[@JimmyHxx]

VAs absolutely goated. That "yeah" from Joel breaks my heart

[@GaelGomez_-_-_]

Knowing this conversation was the night before Joel died is just...

[@ioannistsaeras]

That we still waitnog for it😢

[@Normandu]

"If somehow lord game me a second change into that moment... I wouth do it all over again💔" This almost made me cry

[@issac82983]

almost didn't tear up

[@_Void_2]

The amount of emotions in this scene was too much.

[@an683ok9]

I didn't like how Ellie just reduced her entire existence to her being immune and maybe a cure, thinking that only by dying her life would've mattered. It's just sad. Another series had a similar thing where the main guy basically reduced his existence to being the vessel of a great power and focused solely on completing it, thinking he himself was expendable as long as his duty was done. It only led him to run himself ragged to the point he could barely stand up and almost lost, until others were able to remind him that even though he had the power to save the world he was still just a kid, more than the value as an asset he had value as a person and was not alone. Ellie did too, she was more than just the cure but failed to see it, more so it isn't even an assured thing that the cure would've worked. What if it didn't, then Ellie would've died for nothing. And if it did work, it wouldn't have fixed the world in the blink of an eye, it would've just caused a new war for the control over the cure. Still, the worst thing is, that if Joel had actually allowed them to do the surgery, Ellie would've never even known it or had a say in it. It sure is easier to complain about it after the fact but what would she have done in the moment? The last thing she remembers is drowning, she would've never known if she did or did not save the world. I'm with Joel 200%, and it's the reason why I didn't like Ellie that much this time around, her drama with Joel seemed really unwarranted and the game wants you to support Ellie in her anger or say that what Joel did was wrong when let's be real, if it were us and someone we deeply cared about, we all would've done the same thing

[@kidricoflynn5813]

Are you referencing Gundam Iron Blooded Orphans?

[@stoptryingtomakemeusemynam7829]

She has survivor's guilt. Every one of her friends and family around her died. The only way she could make sense of that is if her survival had a bigger purpose. From her perspective, Joel took away her one chance to make the deaths of her loved ones matter.

[@xancer.]

survivors guilt can be difficult to comprehend

[@diannebdee]

​@stoptryingtomakemeusemynam7829 Joel didn't take away anything, but Marlene's own sense of godhood. And that's all that was in Marlene's myopic version of that world. Not allowing Ellie to wake up and ask her was wrong. I believe had Ellie had the chance to know the actual process of what was going to happen, she would have chosen life. Marlene was the one who didn't tell Ellie the truth, not Joel. This scene is wrong in its direction. Ellie should have been mad at Marlene, not Joel.

[@HarrySia]

Ellie wanted to save the world Joel wanted to save his world

[@niyaodom1944]

Brooo I could hear the choked up tears in his voice, the pain in hers; Troy & Ashley are godly voice actors and I don’t think ANYONE could have done a better job for these lovely characters 🥹

[@titustavares335]

“No matter how hard you try…I guess you can’t escape your past.” Guess he was right.

[@VisiKram]

U can see tears and him slightly cry a bit in the end Breaks my heart to see him cry like that

[@DINOKAM]

I’m just now relizing how much I miss Joel…..

[@Rejoice.]

The fireflies shouldve just let Joel and Ellie talk this out instead of separating them, refusing to let Joel see her, jamming a gun in his face and telling her shes gonna die. They were assholes and they brought it on themselves.

[@ssjn_5556]

Man I still hate how they took him out like that they could’ve done way better

[@annihilator_production]

Yeah by fare

[@isekai2zer051]

He deserved it bro why you say that

[@graveyard1189]

it was said that there were mutliple different versions of joels death which were far more brutal than what we got, there is a piece of concept art in tlou2’s extras menu that depicts a more brutal scene so in a sense we’re lucky that that one was the one they decided upon

[@SlebanDogux]

yeah so does ellie

[@projects325]

​@@isekai2zer051 Joel deserved what? To die because he basically adopted a kid and tried to get her to understand that her life shouldnt be sacrificed for a world where ppl will kill each other anyways do to the situation they all was in

[@aljcorbin]

The story was incredible. the way they executed was unbelievable. Pmit was perfectly imperfect.

[@annihilator_production]

*SPOILER* Can't believe they just throw Joel's character with a really (let's face it) dumb way, like this man doesn't even trust a butterfly why would he die in that way

[@Solarstar84]

Bro he was a 70yr old man in a blizzard wtf he supposed to do, kill them all? He so wrinklee. Also I think he finds stragglers all the time so they were no different 🤷‍♀️

[@annihilator_production]

@@Solarstar84 didn't say that they shouldn't kill him (weird expression lol)but in another way instead you see

[@until.davis.]

Can’t believe you missed the entire point of the first game.

[@3lliesr1fle]

I wish Joel was real so I can give him a hug 😭❤️

[@RonnieMcnuttGaming42O]

Less than 24 hours later he was beat to death with a golf club

[@fucknames]

By a crazy ladyman thing

[@noelie9198]

​@@fucknameswho lost her father because of Joel...

[@issac82983]

wtf is up with golf clubs and killing off people in videogames

[@brandonlc]

@@noelie9198 Joel Miller had a reason to kill Jerry Anderson because he was standing in Joel's way of getting to Ellie Williams..

[@baphomathedude8057]

​@@noelie9198who was trying to kill a little girl and didnt step aside to man with a gun. He brought it on himself.

[@Krics_s]

This “yeah” at end 😢😢😢

[@gogathegod9432]

I cried every time when Ellie or Joel talked about the firefly hospital

[@jamesvanhorn]

I wish it would hve went like this "My life wouldve mattered" "It does matter."

[@Goldity_124]

I could’ve sworn that he actually said that

[@JBeezyForever]

Ever heard of subtext? That’s what they’re saying in this scene, they’re just not verbatim what they’re saying.

[@jamesvanhorn]

@@JBeezyForever thanks jbeezy, very informative!

[@fgc1850]

The writers have abandoment issues

[@fgc1850]

​@@JBeezyForever thank you genius

[@thegamingknight642]

I haven't played these games, but based on my limited knowledge, there is no guarantee that Ellei would be able to ensure a cure/vaccine.

[@robinbennett1686]

It was a pretty good shot. The Fireflies had a pre-infection neurologist/neurosurgeon who spent 20 years researching the Cordyceps Fungus. If they had been able to operate, he probably could have figured out what made Ellie immune and use that to save the world. Would they have been able to mass manufacturer a vaccine? Maybe not. But it still would have been a huge step towards ending the Cordyceps Fungus.

[@thegamingknight642]

@@robinbennett1686 said neurosurgeon had other immune patients acting as test subjects that all failed, if I remember right.

[@robinbennett1686]

@@thegamingknight642 the university in Colorado shows they were running tests on people, but they were all infected. It was mainly infected monkeys. This is found in the recording that Joel takes off of the skeleton you find in the university, right before the cannibals attack you.

[@luisalbertovergaragomez4185]

I hero would sacrifice a person for the world. A villain would sacrifice the world for a person.

[@kamakazeyt]

I mean in my opinion, Joel is in the right here. Some Doctor in a hospital can’t just kill a kid, without even waking her and asking for consent, just because his daughter says “if it was me I would want it.” I mean cmon, they could’ve at least asked Ellie. Not some random kid.

[@usenamer3635]

Sarah never said that

[@chrisredfield9310]

​@@usenamer3635Abby said that

[@fgc1850]

Ellie last memory was drowning on the tunnel

[@usenamer3635]

@@chrisredfield9310 the wording was ass so it was confusing

[@0kieD0kiee]

This is some of the most superb voice acting and mocap acting I’ve ever EVER seen/heard. Absolutely exceptional

[@HOLLYWOODJSC]

Ellie needs to get off her high horse and relies where Joel is coming from he lost his daughter and he didn’t want to relive that over a cure that wouldn’t have worked

[@Twili8697]

Yee

[@romozaki1827]

Neil Druckmann confirmed that Jerry would have been able to make the cure in a video about the development of the first Last of Us

[@Fangtorn]

Ellie also lost people. Riley, Tess, Henry, Sam, etc. She carries an immense amount of survivor's guilty for living when others didn't just because of some chance immunity, so she wants that immunity to mean something by developing a cure and saving lives, but Joel prevented any chance of that from happening, then lied to and manipulated her for years. It's hardly a "high horse" to feel betrayed and angry about that.

[@fgc1850]

​@@romozaki1827 neil was probably lying, jerry didnt exist in the first game, the doctor was a black guy named bruce

[@fgc1850]

​@@Fangtorn this is beyond stupid. All due respect, go play the first game, ellie was never awake in the hospital, her last memory was drowning in the tunnel Joel leaving her to die in the first game would have been a giant waste of time for the player

[@Forest_7-villia]

I dont know which is worse, this being Ellie and Joels last actually conversation, or Ellie being high watching him die😥

[@RoboZombie44]

Both

[@jerrytuxman4421]

I know I may seem the bad guy, but the potential lives of millions out weighs the life of one. Joel acted out of selfish ambition. He chose one over many because he feared the pain of loss. I'm not saying he didn't have a reason, but it wasn't the right choice.

[@Fervent._]

There isn’t a right choice in a zombie apocalypse far as I see it most did things they wasn’t proud of and yet still lived they did what they felt was right atm and I feel what he did was for him but the sake of Ellie to and once he found out the Cure wasn’t gonna work smh .. I like to see you just kill yourself for a whole bunch of random ppl who wouldn’t even think or care abt you and I’m sure those ppl was gonna keep it themselves they was bluffing and you being so gullible

[@jerrytuxman4421]

@@Fervent._ The goal of life is to live or maybe even die for others. The point has never been to do whatever I want to do. It's about serving those around me. Even in eyes of death, I will die giving. That's the true purpose. When mankind dives into that self serving mentality, we become no better than an animal. That's the point of every zombie show, mankind does whatever it sees as right. And what it does is evil.

[@Da-Madog]

​@@jerrytuxman4421the firefly would of use the vaccine for power and wouldn't use it to help ppl and its a fungus so u cant make a vaccine

[@eessaumer3225]

Bro u are the only one who has a brain

[@fgc1850]

What about ellie then? She killed like a 100 people for revenge, joel only kills for survival

[@nicolecarey6245]

you can not have me sobbing like this 😭

[@timothymattnew]

And then they both went on and lived a happy life together like a family.

[@taskforce-exe]

That "yeah" had so much pain behind it

[@aesthetic_rose6860]

Omg the pain is that “yeah” at the end from Joel. You can hear the word get caught in this throat, amazing voice acting from Troy baker and Ashely Johnson.

[@Shank_Gz]

“I wanted to be a father…again”

[@deethevirgo]

Her life mattered to him. They didn’t portray that Ellie considered or understood that at all, which is sad :( I also wish Joel confessed to Ellie and said “I love you, I didn’t want to lose you” 🥺💔

[@shamrock141]

She knew that, but he slaughtered a hospital full of people she considered friends, the anger that causes is something that supercedes understanding. Tragic stories are not built upon empathy but miscommunication and selfishness

[@deethevirgo]

@@shamrock141 I like your perspective. Thank you for sharing, I can understand that!

[@Mat_mep]

I’m glad this scene happens, at first just thinking the Ellie went on with hating Joel until he died regretting it and Joel knowing she did, but this changed it by showing they wanted to change..it was literally the day before when Joel died that they were on good terms

[@samedz3966]

The plot should have been Tommy dying in the place of Joel to trick the gang into thinking they got Joel, and then him and Ellie going on a revenge mission together

[@wendellthomas2548]

Ooohh. I like that right there

[@scaramouche.-.]

I’m gonna cry. This was emotional you could see Joel’s eyes watering

[@paracosm76]

this shattered my heart into a million little pieces

[@henryjohnhenry7308]

When he said “Yup” at the end, you could tell he was about to cry 😢

[@ArifKhan-me7dp]

Logically Joel would never have been that off-guard around them .... But the plot just demanded his demise

[@Not_Survivor]

The last conversation after Tlou 2. 😭😭😭

[@thisnameislessembarassing]

I think what really puts me at peace (as much as can be found in a video game) is that the last thing Joel saw before he died was Ellie coming in ready to save him no matter what it took.

[@chris_everyway]

It was the weak ,,Yeah,, from Joel that send me to tears. You can tell how hard he is trying to hold back tears. But he knows what he have done, was good for Ellie. 😢😢😢

[@user.-97.44]

joel's voice while he trying holding his tear make me cry 💔, joel was express his feeling clearly to eli by protect her take care of her in everythings , eli love him but she was really kinda Arrogant , cruel to him she didn't show that love to him never and not in any way , tommy said to eli " if u don't talk to him he gonna things something wrong " and that because eli's personality , that what joel need he need that warm love from her

[@theredbregade6213]

I get what they were doing here, I can handle my heart being crushed when Joel died. I was thrilled to go on the revenge spree, but I threw my remote when I found out that they FORCED you to play AS his killer. Then make you try and SYMPATHIZE with her. Makes me glad that you can get the alt ending by letting Ellie kill Abby in the stealth section.

[@xdarkwolf2255]

Wow. A game asked me to look at another person perspective and understand where they're coming from. Clearly that was too much of an ask for people on the internet lol

[@kingmas-_-]

Heart to heart and this gotta be the best combo

[@NativeRedlight]

Sacrifice.... Wise.... I choose death. Not give death.

[@imdarkpanda]

Through their hearts, it became pure they got their strength regained having faith in each other and they were very inseparable people. Their previous tough battles in the ruinous world made them tough. Ellie and Joel had never backed down. Ellie sure gotten more ballsy how she fend for herself from enemies to harm her seriously in some missions. Their connection was so far gold. Have to play part 2 to experience her world life.

[@lorenacrystal50505]

I hate how we lost him and we couldn’t even take revenge for him