The Art of the Subclass 2

[@TheLordTash]

Observer Spy is viable. You stand behind enemy snipers and say "nice shot" every time they miss a shot. Eventually they get fed up and make it their mission to hunt you down, so they can't snipe your team anymore. Sometimes you even get lucky and they switch to Pyro.

[@kevcraft9852]

Sometimes, I'll sit right outside of the enemy spawn disguised as scout, and then just spam "Need a dispenser here!" and just create chaos as everyone tries to find me. Then somebody goes pyro and the jig is up...

[@demonmysterykid3343]

@@kevcraft9852 lol. how many times did you die by *PRYO*

[@sundaddy1077]

That engineer is a spy. That engineer is a spy. Spy among us. That pyro is a spy.

[@DRAGONFLAIR2008]

NICE SHOT MAT-AAAAAAAAAARRRRGGGGGGG

[@Cyan_Scug]

Then there's samwiz1 and pacifist spy but harassing engineers into anti spy or switching class or leaving the god damn game from harassment Very funny ngl

[@NegativeDumpster]

By far my favorite subclass is what I call "Paranoia Spy." You equip the following: L'etranger Red-Tape Recorder Spy-cicle Cloak-and-Dagger And then, you spend your time trolling engineers. Not killing them, and very rarely actually destroying their gear, but the red-tape forces them to constantly re-upgrade everything, which is annoying as hell. The Spy-cicle gives you a decent chance to escape from Pyros, and the L'etranger gives a lot more wiggle room under cloak. And the Cloak-and-Dagger is essential, Paranoia Spy literally cannot function without it, since the subclass is all about being annoying and being hard to find. And when there's no engineers? Shoot someone who just respawned, then go into cloak and see how much time they waste trying to find you while spamming voice commands every time they miss. You'll end up being more of a pain in the ass than an actual threat, but that's sorta the point :3 I'd honestly say that 90% of my gameplay on spy is just going into the Cloak-and-Dagger and pissing people off. Edit: fixed a typo in "paranoia".

[@victordefinitely2165]

you evil evil creature

[@cicerobully]

Oh, I love doing this. I can't play spy for shit, but I can annoy the enemy team. I'll also sometimes comment on things they're doing in chat to add the extra bit of paranoia.

[@casualbird7671]

hey, fully distracting an enemy player is the same as having them respawning, it's an effective method of helping your team

[@disgustingg]

paranoia spy is the righteous punishment that engineer players deserve

[@PaladinLuke]

I'd been doing this for years without even knowing it. Save for the fact I use the Ambassador (because I never got the memo when the Jungle Inferno update came and I like to suffer)

[@Rowerty]

The huntsman is actually a really strong weapon, but considering how people call it "bad" just shows how good the sniper rifles actually are.

[@hexagonalchaos]

I only ever hear people say it’s overpowered and I’m a dirty cheating hit box abuser, but yeah.

[@Fatsaver]

Bad? Shits so op lol. 360 damage instantly.

[@co5micwaffle742]

Huntsman is legitimately a good sidegrade in certain situations. You trade off a more predictable, longer-range rifle that charges much slower, cripples your FOV and makes you practically stationary for a short to medium range projectile that can deal high burst damage much faster, barely affects your situational awareness and lets you move around a lot more. If you use the huntsman like you would a rifle, it is a direct downgrade. However, if you use the faster charge speed, better movement and offensive capabilities that the Huntsman has, you can do a lot of stuff that you just wouldn't be able to practically replicate with the stock rifle.

[@Rowerty]

@@co5micwaffle742 While that may seem amazing, I would say I have around 90% headshot accuracy at any range, so to me, using the hit-scan 150 dmg version is better. I personally think the huntsman is overpowered, but whenever I mention it people seem to go crazy.

[@Rowerty]

​@@Fatsaver I put it in quotes purposefully, I agree it's overpowered.

[@KirkCarnage]

The Scunt, portraying a 124 health scout stealing a med pack so he can get to 125 has me in tears from laughing.

[@A7o36pr]

As a medic main... I hope they burn! 🔥 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@mooseeggs4999]

It's not that funny

[@MrO111]

Remember: nobody likes a Scunt

[@MaximusChivus]

​@@mooseeggs4999 It is when you have the pleasure of them getting auto balanced, switching off medic, and bullying them into the sun

[@Mmusic0z]

I’m your thousandth like :)

[@HeavyTF2216]

3:58 But we all know one of medics most famous lines, “The healing is not as rewarding as the hurting.“

[@sensibledog09]

A good subclass is one that changed the experience from the original theme of the class,so box spy is best subclass since you can go invisible whilst using the dead ringer without taking dmg,and people seem to forget you exist

[@zanamarana]

box spy narrowly defeats congaline blu team on payload maps

[@rowenamirasol3792]

Does anybody know the batting scout basicallly run in with the bat attack the other team and THATS IT

[@theunnamedaccount4009]

I once was defending on upward last, and there was a box spy who literally saved us the game. He just stat there for about ~5 minutes, all while the enemy couldn't figure out why the cart wasn't moving

[@Robospy1]

@@rowenamirasol3792 the better version is crit a cola and fish

[@rowenamirasol3792]

@@Robospy1 they sometimes do it but they don't maybe cuz it makes them weaker against a class with a shotgun and makes them take mini crit afterburn witch is the worst thing to hear as a scout

[@genkoti]

Fun fact about battle medics: "If you see a battle medic, it means that they're tired of dying more times than a hippies shirt. At that point, fighting is not about killing the enemy. It's about spiting specific people on their team."

[@llmkursk8254]

The Solemn Vow turns you into a pick class.

[@Archersforeal]

As a medic main, this is very accurate

[@Alb410]

My favorite part of battle medic is unlike the antiquated variant of the subclass, nowadays you are encouraged to heal classes you normally wouldn't etc. Scout. Since you get a speed boost into battle, and an easy exit out of it. However, you don't keep healing them, you get them to where they need, and then you get where you need.

[@Christoff070]

Accurate, so many times as medic I see my team-mates sitting back instead of pushing up, so I say fukk it and charge in

[@timefortnt4637]

If I ever want to fight as medic I be a sniper with the crossbow and I can still heal teammates easily

[@lizardman1432]

Only one I think you really missed was “fat spy” All you need is the Holliday Punch and the “pow” taunt kill. You sneak up behind unsuspecting gamers and punch them, when they are stunned you taunt kill them and then slip back into the shadows

[@KopperNeoman]

And you bring a sandvich to disguise as a Hoovy.

[@inskeeprulerable]

I really thought this would be included in the video lmao

[@roleyroll]

Never knew this existed but holy fuck am I trying this

[@Dev57570]

@@KopperNeoman OH GOD

[@CaptainCFalcon]

@@KopperNeoman that, bad sir, is a LITERAL violation of the Geneva Conventions. Not only in real life, but in TF2. To take the guise of not an actual enemy teammate, but as an innocent Hoovy & use this as a tool to manipulate your enemies is disgusting & revolting beyond all measure.

[@xanthousizalith5641]

Fat Scout is actually a really useful Sub Class. Let's say you like to play Engi and you want the power and utility of the Widowmaker, but you have a hard time hitting your shots. The Fat Scout gives you a chance to practice hitting your Meat Shots without dying immediately.

[@Squid728]

Lmao

[@MaximusChivus]

Just get ubered dumby

[@xxdarkassassinxx358]

Fat Spy better

[@LilMcMoffett]

​@@xxdarkassassinxx358 What about Stocky Spy?

[@oryx9011]

Man its so refreshing to finally discover a tf2 youtuber who is 1- Not annoying 2- Not cringy 3- And actually funny For the first time i find an entraining mature tf2 youtuber that puts out top tierish content, thank you and best of luck on your wonderful career, you deserve a large following.

[@duncanchillake8024]

Could you name any youtubers who actually fit that definition? The only one i know of would be zealot

[@leebard9335]

Mr. Paladin is great if you want to watch a pro spy just chill and silently control the game by tying the enemy team's shoelaces together. He's never salty and always classy.

[@sirburnsalot6079]

@@duncanchillake8024 seriamon is kinda like that kzbin.info/door/HfdcK0aPhOWlCITEVW_fCg

[@Dev57570]

Lazy purple exists

[@Glue_Eater06]

@@Dev57570 it's annoying how littlr he uploads

[@Dr_Dan_]

if the gas passer could make enemies actually wet, the pyro shark would be more of an actual playstyle

[@oskarkwasniak1160]

ONLY IF... I would love to see it

[@j.hawkins8779]

although, how does that make sense, its called the *gas* passer, it shouldn't make you wet

[@Protolisk]

@@j.hawkins8779 It's a can of gasoline. You know, a liquid.

[@j.hawkins8779]

@@Protolisk looks less like gasoline and more like some weird green gas

[@Protolisk]

@@j.hawkins8779 Yes, but the item is, quite literally, a can of gasoline. Why isn't it a can of gasoline that allows a combo with fire (being a fuel) and with the neon annihilator in that its a liquid too? This is pretty much what the original comment is saying.

[@morgradation]

the scariest thing in tf2 is a blutsauger medic that knows how to aim his syringes literally an unstoppable monster

[@12ozcanofSprite]

them things are hard to aim you really gotta give em credit

[@Eye_Of_Odin978]

If someone can actually kill me at all with literally ANY of the three syringe-guns, I will absolutely refuse to even consider opening text chat to call them "trash" at ANY point in the game. They could kill me with the Blutsauger and then immediately switch to Scorch Shot Pyro and I'd still repect them.

[@5ynthet1c]

A blutsauger medic bullied my entire team on 2fort once. He'd stay in the intel room and then emerge to kill someone every once in while. He just would not die, no one managed to kill him once.

[@SerLaama]

*figuratively

[@The_spine_snatcher]

Thats what i call tf2 sausage vr game

[@epicsheep9004]

I love Fat Scout's transition to Battle Medic. It went from "It has a special place in my heart" to "It has a place in my garbage can"

[@willropa4226]

Just imagine if Valve were to add a flare gun to Pyro that's just a squirt gun, doing minimal damage but soaking the enemy in water. Sharknado: Pyro Edition.

[@robbieramsey3092]

or if the gas passer counted as making people "wet"

[@mariustan9275]

hell yeah

[@mariustan9275]

Here's an idea: Supersplasher Level 10 Flare gun Slow and knockback on hit Alt fire: detonate water bomb. - 100% damage penalty. This weapon does NO damage. Destroys projectiles. This weapons will reload automatically when not active. Now this weapons ia mobility tool and can be used as a faster airblast, albeit it doesn't reflect the projectiles. Plus, it makes them "wet" therefore pyroshark can go on land.

[@raymondwiggins354]

Also a flamethrower that is more specialized in airblasting enemies/projectiles could be nice

[@mariustan9275]

@@raymondwiggins354 So basically a flamethrower that is useless as a wealon but good for utility. Oh, and a thing to balance it is the ability to airblast the ground and fly. It's tiny compared to rocket jumping but you can do it multiple times in the air.

[@chompskyhonk8990]

If you MUST play a combat medic, I personally recommend the medieval loadout. The crossbow and amputator have secondary healing abilities, so you can still heal your team even in the heat of battle. A well-aimed crossbow bolt can save somebody's life.

[@Anarqism]

in tc2 you can heal yourself with the amputator so it makes it an even better battle medic weapon, AND there are primaries that help your movement which is even better for battle med

[@airrogue4428]

Crossbow can do good damage if you shoot between healing someone, but if your priority is combat blutsauger is just better in terms of dps and sustain, so in my opinion you either go for healing with default meta loadout or you commit to path of destruction

[@LilMcMoffett]

​@@AnarqismThose both are in TF2. Overdose and the Amputator's taunt.

[@Anarqism]

@@LilMcMoffett you can't heal yourself with ampu iirc

[@LilMcMoffett]

@@Anarqism That's because of your passive 3 HP healed per second.

[@LeodSMW]

I feel like the only real Medic subclass is the Uber Chain. You can throw your ragdoll at the front lines with any primary, not just the Blutsauger, but the Uber Chain is actually a completely unique playstyle that can only be pulled off with the precise loadout of regular Uber and the Ubersaw.

[@cursedhfy3558]

Medic hivemind takes on the enemy team.

[@PlannardCHoohius]

It's quite horrifying what 2 medics can do togheter, first your casually strolling trough whatever choke was empty at the time and next you get jumpscare by 2 Germans with their tubes up one another and one shoves their shitty uber knife down your throat. Your bleeding body will last see them rampaging away killed other innocent souls

[@llamadrama1090]

uber chain conga line

[@kosviik9584]

I remember playing against a very competent pair of Ubersaw users. They dominated the lobby, just the two of them. They were invulnerable for probably more than they were not I fear the Ubersaw since then.

[@namedyukinne4398]

@@kosviik9584 i fear medics in general ever since they too dominated the entire server with not just ubersaw but primary and secondary too. The rest of their team were useless without them and they carried the entire team..

[@swordturtles5401]

I like Battle Medics, because team obligation, especially in casual, isn't always necessary and can be really exhausting. It's nice to see them say "you know what, no, screw this, you spammed E three too many times after the initial five, pull your weight, nut up, and try it yourself"

[@bezchorgair]

No offense but you chose to play the healer, if you get mad at people wanting you to do your job then just play a different class

[@pendantblade6361]

I dont even play TF2 but learning about these sort of things from someone who is enthusiastic about this sorta thing is always enjoyable.

[@pastatheh7041]

you should play tf2 if you are not scared of rejoining servers 24/7 and if you can play without just the "kill and complete the game mission" mindset.

[@insomniagobrrr5542]

Same

[@Squirdspingle]

It’s free

[@calibaniteknight9020]

When running battle med, I prefer the use of the overdose to the blutsauger. The damage penalty doesn't feel like it does anything, and the speed boost 1) prevents me from getting hit as much, 2) allows me to either close the gap with the syringes to take advantage of damage ramp-up or to connect a melee hit and 3) makes me want to still heal my team, as building uber makes me faster.

[@MaximusChivus]

Before I got crossbow, I used it just to get out of dodge when a push goes pear shaped and there's no scout to escape on, or to fuck with scouts because I swear scouts do not know how to cope with a slightly faster medic

[@ultimategigachad629]

3:05 ZE HEALING ISN'T AS REWARDING AS ZE HURTING!

[@keller_3180]

My favorite subclass is the “boter” it has the unique ability to add funny spinning snipers into casual games

[@frostyfoster7267]

And you get a silly death deathcam simulator :D

[@vrikoorascheron2533]

Psople thinks your a bot

[@brightblackhole2442]

cl_yawspeed 9999; +right

[@reagansido5823]

Battle medics aren't that bad, so long as you don't completely ignore your team mates. if you want to focus on using your syringe gun, go ahead. just don't forget about the medgun. it doesn't hurt you to quickly press 2 on your keyboard and click on the guy with red health when no enemys are around.

[@littlefieryone2825]

I still remember being told the difference between a "Battle Medic" and a "Combat Medic." Battle Medics are just about entirely focused on getting kills. Combat Medics are still focused on healing their team, but are also very deadly in a 1v1 fight, meaning they're capable of defending themselves.

[@CannedPsycho-]

Also the crossbow is still really good on Battlemedic. It allows you to be a menace from a distance, as long as you have good aim, while also healing your teammates. Even if your primary concern is killing people, as long as you hit your shots, people generally don't complain about it.

[@donaldpaccerelli198]

@@CannedPsycho- agreed. Also, I've found that medics in tf2 tend lean either more combat focused or healing focused based mostly on one thing: how well their team can keep them alive. For example if the team is extremely good at keeping the medic alive, pyros are checking for spies, taking care of afterburn, heavies give sandwiches etc. A medic will be more healing oriented, spending more time keeping the team alive that he would have spent fighting. By contrast if the team is shit, bots either filling chat with slurs, saying that hackers are the good guys because "tf2 causes cancer." Or what have you. Then the medic will be more combat focused, since he can't rely upon his team to help him he has to defend himself.

[@chickennugget6684]

boxing heavy is like spy, in that half the time everything just fails and the other half you go on an absolute rampage where your enemies are at the mercy of the big Russian man with supercharged boxing gloves.

[@gustthestupidnoob2393]

since when was spy a russian man with supercharged boxing gloves?

[@WalterTheWalrus]

Guy over here be turning TF2 into the Russian cut of Rocky 3

[@TalesofDrCreepYPasta]

The person who made the battle medic definitely took the quote "the healing is not as rewarding as the hurting" (a quote by medic) way too literally.

[@leoergen766]

14:46 That spies ragdoll had me on the floor

[@poptop89]

I have always considered a subclass to be something that trades a core mechanic for a new core mechanic or at least changes it enough that it's different. Something I used to get a lot on my videos personally were complaints about "Gun Spy being a dead subclass" but Gun Spy to me has never been a subclass because all of Spy's core mechanic are still there. He can still cloak or backstab- he doesn't have to commit to that new playstyle if he so chooses- whereas Demomight and even Hybrid knight will have to commit to their use of Melee weapons to some degree or never truly be effective. It's the only complaint about some of the "subclasses" you've discussed in this series of TWO WHOLE VIDEOS that I have, but still mesmerising content.

[@TheIronArmenianakaGIHaigs]

4:29 I thought the Medics high melee damage was because the damage from assists counts to increasing your crit rate.

[@neijrr]

nope, assist damage doesnt count for random crits medic just makes funny swings with melee

[@chaolinpescain]

medic gets increased crit chance from healing, not asisst damage

[@minimum850]

@@chaolinpescain healing doesn't matter either

[@8stormy5]

I think the medic melee thing is entirely a misperception just because a medic literally only has melee in close range yet still plays near the front

[@johncronk8867]

@@minimum850 actually it does, however Medic specifically has it coded so healing done by Mediguns doesn’t count, as it’d be broken otherwise. The Crossbow still counts though, as if that weapon wasn’t good enough.

[@Tommuli_Haudankaivaja]

I would love the Heavy to have a "minigun" that can't be used, but grants the heavy with a speed buff.

[@duncanchillake8024]

A weapon that gives the heavy a passive speed buff at the cost of not being usable? That would work far better as a secondary or even a melee, sadly all of heavy's speed boost options lower his hp Buffalo steak brings it down to 240 Eviction notice and gru drain it

[@LightningLiger]

Combat Boots: +20% movement speed on wearer +100% secondary reserve ammo +10% melee attack speed -Not a Minigun

[@frenchguitarguy1091]

@@duncanchillake8024 nah a primary would allow the heavy subclass to shine more, since the minigun isn't used by any of them. Like the demoman has with the booties. I'd add a stat of -30 health to offset the tankieness a bit

[@duncanchillake8024]

@@frenchguitarguy1091 that's horrible, no minigun AND vulnerability is just the buffalo steak sandwich but permanent

[@mariustan9275]

@@duncanchillake8024 But with a speed boost, so now you can actually get to the front lines faster

[@heartofhardcore]

i love the music references he puts in his videos. the brockhampton, mfdoom, weezer, and death grips stuff is really cool

[@R41ph3a7b6]

I’m glad 😃 that you made a part two to this video. Also, your definition of a subclass is a very great definition. Also, of course it’s going to subjective. And the traditional way of playing is playing the most popular play style and using the default and close enough to the original loadout. Also, I never knew that pyro is the Greek 🇬🇷 word for “fire.” Also, nice Clash of Clans reference. Also, I love you using PvZ 1 music.

[@jonsku6662]

I remember when I first got my first Neon Annihilator.. scared enemies into the water with fire before pulling a "surprise, Pyroshark!" ... God that was fun yet only just a tad above w+m1-ing...

[@Tasteful_Edits]

Elmaxo: My friendship ended with Minigun, Shotgun is my new best friend now.

[@sentrysapper45]

I've come up with a few subclasses that surprisingly few players seem to attempt. They're not optimal by any stretch of the imagination, but they are fun: - The Health Kit Heavy (Heavy): Don't use your primary, equip the Second Banana or Dalokohs Bar for secondary, follow your teammates around and drop food for them when they take damage. You're essentially a mobile Small Health kit, as your food item has the same ten second recharge time and heals teammates for the same 25% of their total HP. Melee can be your choice, though I usually go for either default Fists or Fists of Steel depending on whether or not I feel like punching enemies that get too close or run away (you can also use FoS to tank incoming fire directed towards your teammates or friendly Engineer buildings). You'd be surprised how often other players will thank you for the heals in pubs! - The Trench Fighter (Pyro): Essentially the middle ground between the Scout and Fat Scout, you use shotguns (default or Panic Attack) for all ranged combat. Your normal running speed makes you more mobile than the Fat Scout, and your 175 HP makes you a lot more tanky than the Scout...plus you're immune to most forms of afterburn! Melee can be whatever you like, though I go for either the Powerjack for extra speed or the Back Scratcher if Medics are scarce and you're reliant on health packs. Equip the Proof of Purchase (if you have one) to complete the "WW1 soldier with a gas mask" look the subclass was inspired by. - The Engibuddy (Engineer): A very selfless playstyle, your main task is to help other Engineers set up and defend their nests. Use whatever loadout you like for this, just prioritize constructing/upgrading/repairing other Engie buildings before your own. Help them keep an eye out for Spies and don't hesitate to put your neck on the line to save them or their nest (within reason of course, don't throw your life away when facing impossible situations). Finally, you don't have to commit to the role; feel free to change classes/playstyle if it looks like they have the situation well in hand.

[@uiopuiop3472]

i am the only Engibuddyin a world filled with other Engineers

[@Spiffyo]

Suggestion for the Trech Fighter, since a Proof of Purchase is difficult to obtain, you could wear the Bone Dome or Legendary Lid to get a similiar affect, and the Air Raider to stack onto the whole Trench fighter loadout.

[@Saltyoven]

Why not just use the sandvich which is a medium health kit, and grabbing a health kit as heavy recharges your lunchbox. With this you can "upgrade" small healthkits to medium healthkits

[@sentrysapper45]

@@Saltyoven I tried that, but there's no telling when a teammate will yoink a health kit from under your nose. There's also the issue of the health kit not recharging the lunchbox if the Heavy has taken any damage (which will be quite frequent). The banana's shorter ten second recharge means I'm able to more reliably time my heals for myself and my teammates, even if it's not healing for as much.

[@giahuynguyenkim6389]

Isn't pyro just a trench fighter already with the presence of flamethrowers in WWI?

[@ssh7957]

My personal subclass I like to take credit for is the "crikey sniper" you only use the cleaners carbine. No Bushwaka, no rifle, all chad

[@moresnqp]

YOOOOO BEST MC WITH NO CHAIN YA EVER HEARD

[@KnightsofGaming2016]

I haven't played TF2, but I do enjoy the franchise and learning about sub classes. May just be the DnD nerd in my but I like these types of videos, where I get to learn about the profiles of each sub class.

[@strawz427]

You know I was wondering why I kept watching videos like this despite not having much interest in playing the game and I think you might be onto something with the DnD nerd fascination over I don't even f*cking know LMAO

[@2bruhiscool]

same

[@sundaddy1077]

You should rlly play tf2, its fun asf and its been a while since i saw bots. I too am a dnd enthusiast but yeah the game itself is wildly different from dnd lol

[@Funnymoney101]

4 seconds in and there's already one of the most godly transitions I've ever seen

[@triadicoder7106]

elmaxo : upset that medic isn't healing him Me : "Ze healing is not as revarding as ze hurting!"

[@mauro_cb]

Oh man, I know it is for the best, but I really miss Elmaxo :( Sure hope one day his passion for tf2 comes back and we can enjoy more of this silly aussie

[@HamWeildingTank]

there are some more subclasses I would like to propose, the piranha scout(only mele in water w/ atomizer without touching the bottom), the air demo(friendly)(parachute, target & stock/stock reskin, go to a high point in map jump and deploy the parachute, then charge for speed), stalker spy (friendly)(just needs the cloak & dagger (edit 2: best to use l'etranger for more cloak) just to spy around for infinite invis, needs to take breaks in corners) Edit: the piranha scout was made by someone else, i was just recommending, the other two are from me P.S. refer to me as Tanker, wich is for my steam account

[@Anarqism]

my guy two of these are friendly

[@metalslugfan708]

You forgot, the newly discovered species of an engineer subclass. The Engineer roleplaying as his own sentry. That one person wearing the brain interface, the sightliner and the cute suit whilst staying at his post killing everyone using a stock pistol.

[@Duwahkeen]

My friend has the most (LEGITIMATE) kills on the blutsauger in the world. Funnily enough the previous record holder is Australian according to him, so they never got around to do a 1v1. For the record, NOT a Battlemedic. He just likes to engage in combat sometimes.

[@patrickduffin7912]

Just out of curiosity, how many?

[@chickenjunior]

@@patrickduffin7912 11

[@begoneheretic9760]

@@chickenjunior if he has 11, then I’m the record holder, because I have 2500 Something tells me I’m not the record holder

[@chickenjunior]

@@begoneheretic9760 Begone, heretic

[@potatoman7594]

@@begoneheretic9760 reminds me of a joke about an airplane, ah it’d go over your head.

[@cannonballking7]

While I think it firmly places me in one of the lower circles of hell, I've been having a lot of fun with a subclass I've called "pester Scout". Via the power of the Shortstop, Pretty Boy's Pocket Pistol, and the Wrap Assassin, you too can be the most irritating thing in the entire game. You aren't going for kills, no no no... Your job on the battlefield is to do tons of small little chip hits consistently, so the enemy (I believe this works best when picking one one poor soul at a time) has to disengage to heal, or eventually get feed up and runs into danger in order to deal with you. A fight you will most likely win. If you do secure a kill always taunt after it, and if they do try and engage it is more fun to run away with your better movement to a further location and continue to pester them. I've tried it out with the Flying Guillotine before and lame them out with double bleed, and it does work to decent effect, I believe PBPP is better, due to the survivability it grants you so you can keep on annoying the enemy, and the consistent annoying with low damage shots. The recharge on the Guillotine gives them just a bit too much peace, especially if you miss. Either way, I know this is the least fun thing to fight against, but I've been having fun, and if somebody does get incredibly angry it is good form to apologise, and go pick on another target. Hope I can inspire others to be the worst!

[@weaboii2961]

thats just a normal scunt

[@funnycatenjoyer2758]

@@weaboii2961 literally isn't lol

[@faceless2302]

This is very viable on maps like Kong King where you can hoard all the med kits under the control point

[@josiahf1041]

Personally I go with the sticky pan to do maximum mental damage to the enemy team, with the boots, sticky jumper and a good ole’ frying pan you can transform your completely functional demo man into a twofort tumor

[@daddysempaichan]

Personally I'll replace the PBP with the Flying Guillotine, go full bleed and mid-range harass. Capitalize on the mid range capabilities of all three weapons.

[@Jessie_Helms]

A good definition according to Matt Coleville, whom I agree with here, is something that includes _everything_ and excludes _nothing_ commonly agreed to be that thing. His example was, if I recall, “an RPG is a game where you have a consistent character in a consistent world who improves over time.” That excludes things like MineCraft- consistent character and world, but your gear, not your character, improves- while including things like Fallout, D&D, and potentially even LARPing. Then you can use specificity from there. I.e. tabletop RGPs obviously exclude video games, an FPS RPG obviously excludes Pathfinder, etc… So I like your definition of a subclass. It’s broad enough to not exclude pretty much any commonly accepted subclass while still having a meaning. “Significantly deviates from the tradition play style” would exclude something as simple as, say, using the tamislav VS the Brass Beast (somewhat different okay styles but not that different) but definitely includes Hoovy (very different from either of those).

[@SiegeTales]

That music between segments with a tittle is so stuck in my mind. Can you please give a name of it?

[@elmaxoTF2]

All Caps by MF DOOM

[@SiegeTales]

@@elmaxoTF2 Thanks! Great video btw, really enjoyed it

[@elmaxoTF2]

All good

[@sleepy9267]

​@@elmaxoTF2 let's go elmaxo is a MF DOOM fan

[@officeword5]

This is genuinely some of the best edited and made tf2 content I’ve seen in a while!! Keep up the great work!

[@BigKilogram]

I'm amazed at how clean your editing is every time I watch one of your videos. Goddamn man.

[@awolgamming7793]

oh hello big kilogram

[@regimiro4888]

I feel like force a nature scout is bordering on sub class. I know the weapon doesn't necessarily change the gameplay all that much, but every dedicated force a nature player I've ever met in game has been absolutely insane, they're a different breed man.

[@drowsyspook3455]

Death grips in the first video, DOOM in this video, you have fine taste fellow stranger

[@Wapako]

Saying that Gun Spy is a subclass makes me think that a lot of people forgot that the gun in the spy loadout is very good after a good backstab

[@tsudough]

One of my favorite subclasses has to be fat spy. The whole point is to trick the opponent into being friendly then taunt kill them, with the holiday punch and hoovy cosmetics.

[@splitreality8712]

A subclass is a drastically different alternative playstyle that goes against the original playstyle implied by the stock weapons or (in some cases) certain unlocks that minorly effect gameplay such as the sandvich For example. Sniper is a long range pick character, he uses his one shot potential in order to make possibly game winning kills Huntsman snipers reverse that for a mid range class that can stay much more on the front line and make more aggressive use of his jarate and busch waka, as opposed to the original use it for self defense I feel like this wording removes most questions brought upon by the wording of the definition.

[@isaiaholaru5013]

Thanks

[@underplague6344]

Note that the base fundamentals of a class don't really have to change, and often don't, like some people think. Demoknight may play completely differently but the fundamental understanding of timing and game physics that makes a good demoman also heavily applies to demoknight. He's still the physics based precise timing class, he just expresses that through melee and charges rather than grenades and stickies.

[@phantominthedark2466]

When you play medic just run backwards while firing, people chasing you will get hit by every shot. it's actually a really powerful way to use any of the syringe guns.

[@SpriterMite]

Heres my version of the fat scout: i use any minigun, family business as my shotgun, and for my melee, it might be a little controversial, but i use the eviction notice, it gives a speed boost, in which makes sense for a scout variant.

[@kpeguyebbers850]

0:18 "So as Australia's most elite, professional gamer..." >*GMan glares angrily*

[@battlesandballads4408]

Don't think I didn't notice All Caps playing when you transitioned to each subclass. Good pick dog, love MF DOOM

[@Mimirai]

To me, each medigun makes medic a different subclass. Playing with a kritzkrieg is vastly different from using the vaccinator, hell, even vaccinator is such a different mechanic compared to stock

[@HHalcyon]

True that. I love the room clearing ability of the Kritzkrieg. The one being Übered needs to understand the varying playstyle, too.

[@Mimirai]

@@HHalcyon Kritzkrieg + skilled powerclass player = 6-10 enemy players are viewing the killcam. :D

[@xyno2112]

The Ninjaneer doesn't need to walk past the enemy team, you could always use the wrangler to rocketjump into funny places to place the funny sentry

[@FinnOtaku]

My favorite Ninjaneer strat is to find a moment during a 2fort match when the enemy team isn't paying that much attention to the interior of their base and then sneak into their Intel Room to build a Sentry Nest :D

[@a_creatorsstuff17]

Ironic how the battle medic last segment had xenoblade music was perfect, considering its known for breaking archetypes with its healers

[@Litl_E]

Me and my friend came up with the subclass of "Scout Knight", which requires two people to pull off. One player goes Scout with the Boston Basher/Three-Rune Blade, the other goes Medic with stock Uber. Then, you build Uber in spawn with the Scout bleeding himself, and then run into enemy lines with an Ubered bleed Scout.

[@thatguybrody4819]

I came up with it a while ago but used the candy cane instead for the health on kill gimmick and mad milk for damage sponge. FaN for the third jump and sentries. I try to bat the sentries whenever possible.

[@WizardLizard01]

that's not really a subclass that's just a competitive strategy

[@fragzilla4531]

You should do Scoutknight if you do a part 3. It’s F.A.N, Mad milk, and Three rune blade, there’s also some cosmetics that go with it to but I don’t remember the names, and while it may not be well known or even good it’s still really fun

[@thatguybrody4819]

Replace the blade with the candy cane and you got my load out. The cane gives health pack on kill.

[@kurowkarasu]

"Respect snipers' sightline" a.k.a. ignore half the map, including most objective areas, and instead hide in a tight corridor the whole game. Better yet, don't even leave spawn, if a sniper with 3K+ hours is looking in your general area it's apparently your fault. Videogames are fun.

[@prawngravy18]

The music selection in this video is fucking fantastic.

[@cafectio]

It's so amazing to discover a TF2 youtuber who does a lot of music references! Love your content :)

[@Flanke]

2:10 finally another saturation 2 enjoyer

[@gabriel_linf]

8:28 Wow, i can't believe Thom Yorke from rock band Radiohead shot Rivers Cuomo from rock band Weezer in the head with an arrow through a choke point, that is so sad :(

[@atoastedbox1903]

Say it ain’t so

[@CaptainKotetsu]

I just played TF2 for the first time a few days ago. It’s just as chaotic and amazing as I imagined.

[@TheMadFelcher]

I think a good (TF2 specific) definition for subclass would be: "equipping a specific loadout (or variation of aforementioned loadout) to allow deviation of the class's intended playstyle"

[@frogboi7]

My favorite “subclass” is Ape heavy, I just run at people with stock fist and heal teammates with the banana While this seems ineffective I somehow get near guaranteed crits with the stock fist

[@ninjapumpkin0127]

I'd define subclass as any loadout or self limitation or a combo of the two that is a significant variance from the characters' core designs. By this definition, I'd include Kritzkreig and Dragon's Fury as subclasses, akin to Huntsman I suppose. Under this definition as well, Hybrid Knight is a separate sub class to Demo Knight, since the choice of boots over grenade launcher is significant enough. Things like Vax or Quik Fix are more akin to the stock counterpart in terms of function, (defensive ubers), so they don't count, and weapons that alter gameplay significantly can be exceptions if they are versatile enough (Wrangler can be used to great effect as Turtle Engie, Ninjaneer, Battle Engie, etc; Frontier Justice doesn't alter standard gameplay much as any engineer class until you become Revengineer; running Eyelander doesn't inherently make you a Demo Knight, etc.) That being said, go play Mann with a Plan and blitz unsuspecting gamers with your Escape Plan, 2 health, and a dream.

[@IHATESIGMACLIPS]

0:42 Traditional could be in that context, the playstyle and fundementals that the properties of the class flows with and forms, by either the best, most efficient and straightforward way that you naturally play with

[@wyro.]

My personal definition of a subclass is an unlock or combination of unlocks that FORCES the class to be drastically different, such as gunslinger engineer, the jumper weapons or the huntsman. I don't think fat scout is a subclass, because you still have a minigun available to you. You're simply choosing to ignore it, you could very easily play heavy as normal even with the shotgun equipped.

[@MrKingfisher]

I mean, I agree with what you're saying, but I'd say the fact you're playing fat scout already kind of forces you to stay off the minigun, since the second you use it you're not playing fat scout anymore

[@miimiiandco]

There is something to be said about using a different loadout, say a shotgun rather than a lunchbox.

[@fiddleriddlediddlediddle]

I love how his attitude towards people getting mad at the sniper being good is "Get good".

[@garrettbates9124]

Personally how I classify gimmick loadouts vs Subclasses is that a subclass is a way of playing a class that requires you to design a loadout around achieving the desired result, but still has options (Like Demoknight having multiple swords and shields) while a gimmick is a play style that requires a specific weapon to be equipped and almost entirely focused upon while playing (like Pyroshark)

[@Bode08]

The huntsman if the right player uses it can be the most terrifying thing I have ever seen in TF2 as they always are able to hit you with that 120 dmg bodyshot even if your going at mach 5 as a troldier they are terrifying.

[@raymondwiggins354]

Also Bing soy can 360 kill with huntsman while falling off a cliff

[@nathanielpaige9378]

Thom Yorke headshotting Rivers Cuomo at 8:17 was hilarious to me

[@jacobelgan5196]

Here's one of my personal fave's: The spyro: Back burner, back rake, jet. Fly behind enemy line and harras the enemy while they're focused on your teammates. Excellent support and distraction in form of shock ambush

[@emperorjustinanthefirstoft6320]

I do that but with degreaser and axtinguisher

[@nuts1e]

thom would never kill rivers, the big weeze never dies

[@svenkleinplarre9461]

Someday mittens heavy will get the recognition he deserves as the only counter to an uber push.

[@seedycakes]

My favourite subclass is pacifist scout with the bonk, atomiser and the force a nature. Just use your bonk to get behind enemy lines and then just run around and see how much of their team you can distract

[@purplehaze2358]

There's a major issue with your definition of subclass. It can also include gimmicks, which, though similar, should be classified separately from subclasses in the majority of cases.

[@timeforgottenprince8271]

Wtf are you doing here Dr Bright?! We need you at Site [encrypted]! SCP [redacted] has broken out again, and we need your ingenuity to contain it!

[@isakgronkvist5871]

@@timeforgottenprince8271 lol

[@regimiro4888]

Back in the day when I was still learning the game. I kept hearing people talking about how much use you can get out of Spys gun, but would always just end up panicking and forgetting to even consider using my gun. I decided to spend a few days defaulting to my gun and using the knife as little as possible, it opened my eyes to exactly what people were trying to tell me lol.

[@jacobshirley3457]

You can basically get as many kills with Gun as with Knife, because it's way more flexible. It's to hard to call it a gimmick, even if you don't backstab much.

[@kevinkempt]

the brockhampton reference was A1

[@fappuccinodecaf9344]

Some subclasses i thought of: Soldierknight: No rocket launcher + Battalions Backup + Half-Zatoichi Demotroll: Bootlegger/Ali Baba's Wee Booties + The Sticky Jumper + Any Melee (that isnt a sword)

[@ianjackson4721]

Here’s a solution to the whole sniper sight line problem: Just make it so that snipers weapons do like 20% less damage when someone is closer to you

[@Mega-rx9sr]

The inevitable roblox version known as Typical Colors 2 has that feature, so yeah

[@NiftyTheCrusader]

I have a sub class for Demoman called the Demo Eagle or in short the "Deagle" it's Demoman with the base jumper, sticky jumper, and any choice of melee, there it no limitation to what melee you want, whether you wanna absolutely destroy with the skullcutter, get some weirdly powerful buffs with the eye lander, or go on a pan spree, it's all fun.

[@bladestorm337]

I also do but I call it the "Flying Demopan" or "Demo gardening" instead I use the Grenade Launcher, Sticky jumper and the Frying Pan.

[@alizards]

its troll demoman

[@beef1043]

One-eyed gardener

[@AtocStowwe]

One permutation of gun spy that I sometimes run is "Mosquito Spy" or "holy shit someone kill this fucking ringer spy". Ringer + L'Etranger + spycicle, your job is to go behind the enemies and just whittle them at range, and ultimately end up kiting the more spiteful people on their team away from the front. Ringer to get out of bad situations, spycycle for pyro, and the french gun for two reasons: it'll recharge your cloak a lot faster when you hit shots, and the damage is low enough to not get kills (letting you get more cloak and spend more time pestering/baiting players), but high enough for people to think it's not scattergun chip from halfway across the map. I've won games because a pubstomping combo got so pissed off by a french man with a funnny gun and a shiny watch that they decided to give chase and lose the game rather than not and not.

[@anthonyoliver418]

I usually use the Blutsauger as a spy check tool, and self defense option for whenever I need to defend myself, thus it saved my life a lot, but I never battle medic because I know everything about medic, including the weapon I just mentioned, are catered towards cooperation and proper scenario usage.

[@Incention1418]

I think it's hilarious whenever I'm pushing forward and all of a sudden I see a flock of fat scout to running to the point

[@dojo45789]

Pyro with dragons fury in general is really different, but use it with the scorch shot for a close range wombo combo on any light class that makes you feel like its barely the same class and its fun af

[@headachepuppy]

I don't even play TF2, but these videos are just so nice to watch.

[@j4n3k56]

For Pyro shark you should use the detonator, when you propel yourself through the water with a self det into someone it's crazy fun

[@mgraniel]

4:00 "I've learned from experience that the place to save lives is in the field, not an office. And sometimes the only way to save a life, is to take one." - Gustave "Doc" Kateb (Rainbow 6 Siege)

[@yang_not]

if a subclass is a "playstyle which significantly deviates from the traditional way of playing a class", then our good man Bing Soy is creating new subclasses every day

[@bepy.]

damn these videos just keep getting higher and higher quality

[@absolutezerochill2700]

9:08 Someone who doesn't belong on that list at ALL.

[@purplehaze2358]

As a medic main, seeing battle medics out and about legitimately makes me sad and disappointed.

[@whoisanarnb]

Man it’s a fucking 2fort match and I’ve done nothing but die while the soldier pisses himself and runs away after seeing a combat option that isn’t oblivious, I just want to have fun for a few minutes And fyi I do actually play normal medic

[@ricedanan]

Depends on the type of Battle Medic. If they very much ignore anyone that needs healing near them they are the absolute worst.

[@chickenjunior]

Right, there are 8 other classes that already fufill those roles, but team cohesion and balance isn't a priority of some players, they just want kills.

[@meleriodoon]

15:30 I love his stutter, sounds like when scout sees the "funny" picture of her mother in meet the spy

[@OlaftheGreat]

At 12:19 I didn't even pay attention to what team you were on but I could 100% tell that Scout was a Spy