The Art of the Lucksman

[@elmaxoTF2]

FOR ANY CHOPPA ENTHUSIASTS, HERE IS THE MOD: gamebanana.com/mods/206363 EDIT: ALSO YEAH. THE HANZO THING WAS A JOKE LOL. LOOK AT THE TOP LEFT OF THE SCREEN @ 0:50

[@TreeFitten]

Hi El minimum o

[@colbykiong1248]

ah yes a playboi carti enthusiast

[@G4mer64]

Thank you

[@carbonated_1304]

Holy shit dude elmaxo liked your comment

[@GmeX]

Bruh i was using this gangsta mode for so long and now i saw it in your video XD

[@SolarSocks]

the huntsman is theoretically the only sniper primary with random crits, and the only weapon in the game able to randomly crit when the setting is turned off

[@Galacticbraindentist]

are you sure

[@billyjohnson7925]

@@Galacticbraindentist yes

[@La-Machina]

Every time you fire the huntsman down a choke there is about a 20% chance it will deal 360 damage out of nowhere

[@WoodChuuck]

@@La-Machina game says its a 20 but feels more like 60

[@davidnewhart2533]

Took me a sec to get the joke.

[@rob.andrew]

I cannot get over how your sniper holds that SMG. Easily the best part of the entire video

[@lukemooney8487]

boa

[@simpIeidiot]

choppa.

[@TreyAnimates]

I'mma now call it the choppa

[@ArtisanRykard]

how does it do that though? Is it just something for the aussie smg or is it a custom viewmodels thing?

[@fort809]

@@simpIeidiot hundred round drum killin everybody

[@CoreyTF2]

Wow this loadout is so good, I went into a payload server after watching this and kept killing this one spy named exlamo or something like that.

[@elmaxoTF2]

you moderator status is coming in to question right now my dearest Corey

[@CoreyTF2]

@@elmaxoTF2 who is this corey person, I am clearly Dullpixel, a legally seperate entity

[@aidelai4098]

@@CoreyTF2 Yea man can't you read?

[@BurningSands_FGC]

@@elmaxoTF2 Corey in the house reference?🤪

[@scotterboi9]

I remember I was playing as scout, a huntsman arrow was fired at me, and I pressed my strafe key, and apparently I didn't move far enough, because I teleported 0.5 seconds back into the past and got hit by the arrow.

[@TinyDeskEngineer]

"I used to be an adventurer like you, until I took an arrow to the knee- I still have no idea how that was even remotely close to my head hitbox."

[@sackboy1665]

you were standing close to a dispenser

[@multigrandmarquis]

Honestly impressed that you managed to get Crazy Dave as your publicist

[@rociotown]

let's hope he doesn't call elmaxo for bowling every 5 seconds

[@gos358]

@@rociotown "hey Niko, it's Roman. Let's go bowling"

[@darienb1127]

Soldier: "Stop using those flying sticks and get a real gun!" Sniper: "Mate, that's a plank of wood with a nail in it that your holding."

[@dapperfield595]

I can't believe you forgot the most effective point blank defense in the game, or as I like to call it the "Stab Stab Stab".

[@Tr0lliPop]

STABBY STABBY STABBY

[@Scoutussy]

Stabby stab stab!

[@JayKayTV]

CHOPPA WONT MISS also other than the cleaner’s carbine, the smg is the only secondary that can deal damage lmao

[@arpelo3953]

i acutally purchased his CHOPPA WONT MISS smg (old one) but i think he is using a new aussie CHOPPA WONT MISS and is it a community server? im pretty sure it is cuz thats some nice smg equip.

[@AG45.]

Jerate does appetite and ego damage

[@rafradeki]

correction, cleaner's carbine cannot deal damage

[@evangonzalez7732]

@@rafradeki until you pull out the bushwaka. Then you can kill god.

[@insectlover4735]

Cleaner's Carbine shoot Frozen Peas So...

[@grimace3983]

"huntsman takes no skill" meanwhile i'm over here getting faaarrr less headshots with it up close than i am with a normal sniper

[@ziggle5000]

Humble bragging in KZbin comments WeirdChamp

[@grimace3983]

@@ziggle5000 i wasn't bragging, i was saying that i suck with huntsman

[@EmbeJuicemazzopazzo]

@@grimace3983 humble bragging is the opposiìte of bragging but in a bad way

[@vyor8837]

@@EmbeJuicemazzopazzo that is not what that means

[@eeeeeeee4968]

Yeah me too i get instantly killed when using it while with the machina well i dont do that much headshots but hey at least i kill

[@LegoBrikster]

5:27 my man got Crazy Dave in his contacts

[@Sireaquired]

WAIT BRIKSTER?

[@xsosad]

*“There is no bad huntsman user , it’s ‘Unlucky’ huntsman user.”* - Dewill

[@RichterOvertime]

man you're crazy with this output. and your views are nuts too. great stuff man, keep it up!

[@roxrequiem2935]

"The Lucksman, or something often mistakenly referred to as the Huntsman." Laughs in fortified compound

[@fartman9223]

*2fortified compound

[@VeryHighPriest]

okay but have you considered using the cleaners carbine instead? since you'll have to finish off a lot off enemies with it you'll actually fill the bar AND the most fun part you can do the old suprise crits with the bushwacka without alerting ppl to it with jarate

[@mylles1112]

Huntsman with mini crits can kill god

[@lpmatthews7387]

Funniest thing: you can full charge bodysuit medics with mini crit luckman, lol

[@evangonzalez7732]

I use Huntsman, carbine, and shan-whatever. Lemme tell you, that is THE MOST agressive sniper loadout in the game. "Fuck camping, I'ma spam arrows on the frontlines."

[@crazylasagna3576]

Cleaners is a decent sidegrade but if you miss your arrow on someone closing in or they’re a high health target, you really want the smg.

[@frozenover_exe]

@@evangonzalez7732 I use that same primary and melee with stock, and you and FishStick have back to back convinced me to try out the Carbine

[@farribastarfyre]

"Valve added the Huntsman because the popularity of Hanzo from Overwatch." That better be bait.

[@alexpeters3244]

Definitely

[@elmaxoTF2]

look at the top left of the screen as I said that

[@nighteyes360]

@@elmaxoTF2 Oh you little...

[@paowoww]

@@elmaxoTF2 TROLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO, YEHYEYE YEEE

[@johnwee6800]

HAHAHA how dare you.. jumped in the comments as you said that

[@furchad3574]

I love how the huntsman uses the projectile hit box that then checks what the closest main hit box is, making headshots so much easier to hit.

[@KannonandSwitch]

If you DO want to get into some of the nuance, the arrows are more likely to literally latch to an opponents head if you are BELOW them when you take the shot. Literally intentionally taking low ground or even something as small as crouching before letting the arrow loose will increase your success rate at hitting headshots a good degree. Also, crossbow bolts move in the same arc and speed as huntsman arrows, so playing med is an AMAZING way to get better at huntsman shenanigans.

[@phillipk4196]

my all time favorite screenshot is when i went to a server and tried learning airblast counters. but i just anihilated the huntsman snipers so hard they told me they understamd i am good and i should leave. still have it uploaded on steam. and will always be proud of that one because i just stomped the via luck, i was the lucksman hunter

[@DelphanGruss]

"Following the overwhelming response to Hanzo in Overwatch, Valve decided to add-" My logical brain: "He's clearly making a joke." My knee-jerk brain: "KILL. KILL. KILL."

[@lupin5512]

I had no idea how much I needed the knowledge that you can make sniper shoot his smgs like this 5:26

[@Mr_Astro-Vera]

Wait dave in Team Fortress 2,?

[@gaming_tim]

Man I love the beggars bazooka because I like luck and RNG, I think luck and RNG are the best game mechanics in the world. They must've been made for games or something.

[@user-ix3xi5st6f]

It can sometimes annoying when someone use it against you. I once see a guy fired 3 crit rockets at once.

[@somerandomgamer8504]

@@user-ix3xi5st6f There's an achievement for something like that

[@Helperbot-2000]

@Gaming Time and thats what i hate about them, i dont actually have nearly any input

[@fallongarens6734]

@@Helperbot-2000 sounds like a Luck Issue

[@doctorhealsgood5456]

Reject order return to chaos

[@Awnalrawashdeh]

Now I actually know how the huntsman projectile actually works, and it isn't luck based at all, but more like the hitbox is just huge in some scenarios. Hitboxes are something we are all familiar with, the boxes that make up the model of a player, if a hitscan bullet hits one of these boxes, it will register as a hit. Projectiles use Collision boxes, not hitboxes. Collision boxes are just 1 big box all around the player, that is the same size for all classes. If a projectile hits one of these collision boxes, they will count as a hit. Collision boxes are called "collision" because they are also used for the maps, and use collision boxes for when you collide with something, or some one. Each player has both of these on at the same time, and come in to play for whenever htiscan, or projectiles head their way. All the projectiles can't headshot, besides one. The Huntsman Arrows. It's a projectile, but it has to headshot. Remember Collision boxes are just 1 big box, if a projectile hits, it is a hit. To compensate, since they both are active at the same time, arrows use both htiboxes and collision boxes. If it hits a hitbox, it's a hit. Hits a head hitbox, it's a headshot, buuuut, if it hits a collision box, it will locate where on the collision it exactly hit, and it goes to the closest hitbox. So if it hits the side of the collision box, it locates the closest hitbox to where it landed and relocates to that hitbox. Since heads most of the time stick out from the body a lot, a lot of the collision box is more head hitboxes then anything. Basically, huntsman arrows just have a 2x bigger hitbox for enemies. It makes sense because well think, it's a projectile, so it has arc, no scope, takes time to hit your target, and hitscan doesn't have any of that jazz to deal with. Since scout has a pretty tiny, skinny body, he has small hitboxes, but since collision boxes are the same size for all classes, this makes scout have a HUGE area on where you can hit him with your arrows. Heavy is the largest of course, normally heavy is the easiest to hit because of his slow speeds and huge hitbox, but the collision box veritcally is about the same height as heavy, leaving a small area of heavies head hitbox left, unlike scout. In summary, nothing about it is luck based, just a big, big hitbox.

[@maximussee9312]

The more i use huntsman or lucksman, the more kills i usually get from sniper, because i found myself most of the time hitting bodyshots and when i use the lucksman, i just don't pray for the best, but pray that a pyro won't reflected it. Oh yea, you forgor to miss out the fact that if an "airblast pro" pyro knows what he is doing will be capable of killing your own arrows

[@olvustin6671]

I like the fact that you are using the "gangsta smg" animation I swear to god that animation gives you %100 dmg + accuracy

[@m136dalie]

Great editing, love this kind of video. Makes me click on your vids when I see them By the way congrats on the big growth recently

[@reagansido5823]

I kind of feel bad for the spys who get picked off because they exist within the same mile radius as an arrow.

[@Birch19547]

That troll face behind Hanzo.... I had to make sure that was a joke XD

[@Dylan_Guy]

I love those custom smg models so much

[@asfzg2870]

I wish I was lucky enough to have Crazy Dave call me on a Sunday.

[@alch3mIx]

4:36 "Get down Mr. President" Kill made me laugh a tad harder than expected

[@shairo2246]

3:00 some employee spilled ketchup on their keyboard

[@timmytartarsuace8327]

The memesmann just the fact that you can pin enemies to the wall is hilarious.

[@Jazzalinco]

Thank you for reminding me that the TRUE Choppa animations exist, as I have now realized a way to make them work with my other animation mods. This video was truly life changing.

[@Zomtism]

I love trying to spot myself in these videos after i see you messing around on the server, always a treat to run into you on there

[@abbadox315]

Fun Fact: Random crits actually do not benefit worse players! In reality you have a higher chance of random critting if you are doing a lot better than everyone else. So the system is already benefitting the good players (valve moment).

[@Helperbot-2000]

For those """"rare high moments""""

[@strangerinastrangeland3613]

There is also some strange quirks of that system iirc, such as Engie's sentry damage counting toward his own crit rate, or a Medic's healing being counted as damage dealt.

[@darkranger116]

Valve : makes soldier demo and scout classes absolute funfests with overtuned stats, game changing mechanics and fun high mobility Valve giving the sniper one item that actually allows him to play the game differently : *stupid idiot sniper you're bad and should feel bad*

[@Helperbot-2000]

It uses the bounding box and a third of that bounding box gives a headshot, so no. The huntsman is bullshit

[@51dodoc]

If the weapon wasn't broken it wouldn't be a problem but it is. Not the sniper player fault but the luckman is indeed total bullshit that needs a rework.

[@nighouds9062]

am i the only one who's never had luck with the lucksman? Like i nearly exclusively get body shots even when hitting them pretty much on the neck and dont even mention getting corner spam kills. Is it really just hyped or am i unlucky and bad?

[@fruitpigenthusiast120]

Same here

[@awman9134]

lucksman is just a meme man. I've encountered a few very insane huntsman player, consistent headshots always top scoring. -And same here I suck at the huntsman and rarely get kills unless enemy just doesn't move. Truly unlucky.-

[@danielsurvivor1372]

Exactly, that's because all Casual players can do is whine about it.

[@justinpark939]

We had the cult of the classic, now behold the legion of the lucksmen

[@Kernwadi]

“Luck is like man milk, very rare.” -Bilbo Baggins

[@Kernwadi]

What?

[@colonel_yuri]

hearing crazy dave ramble in the background is pretty funny

[@thousandmarch]

The thing about the Choppa is that equipping it the menu gives you a taste of the Newtron Style.

[@mmyke3]

I think everybody now wants a huntsman live commentary

[@belltowersubductions5104]

As someone currently maining sniper for no greater or more interesting reason than "My aim is shit so let's go trial by fire", the lucksman fills me with an unspeakable contempt.

[@edwinleechuanhao]

damn bro why did you have to show a jerma and star clip now im legally obligated to watch the complete jerma and star tf2 playlist

[@Maggot1707]

4:07 you killed "Unlucky."

[@ToonLinkGotT]

Can't believe Elmaxo is a fan of Choppa posting, this is the best day of my life

[@nygftw2478]

Lucksman enthusiast here. This video is a great meme and as a sniper main my class needs the roast. Real talk though, I feel like the huntsman is one of the most difficult usable primary weapons to do well with in tf2, especially on more open maps. I feel like the whole rng thing is definitely present, but rather confusing as soldier and demo have so much of the same luck when playing. I mean let’s be real, it’s impossible to always guess midair strafe patterns for air shots and I can’t even count how many times I’ve brainlessly shot at control points, gotten a random crit, and killed the entire team. The huntsman to me seems no different than rockets and pills, just harder to use imo. Still the lucksman without a doubt since I can’t even think of how many invisible spies I’ve killed, but also an incredibly fun, difficult, and rewarding weapon to master

[@Ivy_Panda]

Yeah, anyone can pull out the Huntsman and get some lucky kills. But you have to be doing something well to topscore without using the choppa. It's a crutch and you don't need it when you're using the best melee weapon in the game: The Huntsman

[@CabJC]

That freeze frame of the civilian-posing spy sent my sides out of orbit. Thanks.

[@DirectorVibeChecker]

3:14 I was a mercenary like you until i took an arrow to the knee

[@Mr-Ad-196]

I was never a good sniper....... but the huntsman bow works in a mysterious ways..........I love it.

[@LordRemiem]

I disagree with the theory that this weapon is brainless and op. I can record myself easily failing all my shots as a proof!

[@dootanator_]

Spaghetti code helps the lucksman just as much as it hinders em

[@nexusthenormie5578]

For huntsman yeah, smg or cozy camper are like the best secondaries imo, or cleaners if ya feel like meming with the bushwacka

[@joegromlowicz9208]

The flip side to that jank ass head hit box is sometimes you like up a headshot on an idle player that's guaranteed to hit and it somehow just bodyshots or misses instead

[@georgedevries3992]

Didn't know that "Crazy Dave" plays TF2! Keep it up elmaxo.

[@TheOneWhoReportsForDuty]

Lucksmen is probably my favorite thing in the game as neither you nor the opponent know how the hit box will work.

[@marco7450]

One time I came back to tf2 after a long time and hopped on a server, after a while I became bored and asked to anyone in the server which was the hardest playstyle/weapon to use. A guy answered "probably the huntsman", from.that day, I picked only sniper with bow and arrow and then...you pretty much summarized my experience with it :). Aside from peeking, I think it takes more skill to actually see advantages and opportunities, rather than taking advantage of said opportunities.

[@susragejr477]

YOU HAVE DISHONERED MY COMRADS IN THE HUNTSMAN CLAN, FEEL THE WRATH OF HITBOXES

[@baconartist592]

I was the spy that decloaked and got headshot at 5:44. And yes I am an idiot

[@penguinmarioproductions1844]

0:07 Mr Game and Watch is the meaning of luck

[@felipefernandezberrios8037]

I once played lucksman in degroot keep and not only got some kills but i also got an achievement for killing an invis spy!

[@labrat_09]

What is that cool SMG animation

[@galaxygeneral1200]

That’s what I wanna kno

[@samdaman2939]

Elmaxo has contacts with crazy Dave confirmed???

[@-Glitchy-]

4:21 MOM GET THE CAMERA I'M FAMOUS

[@jordanreynolds9043]

Literally the greatest summary of the huntsman. I used it against my friends the other night when I got auto balanced and pissed them off to kingdom come. I also just sent this video to them too.

[@Wahmageddon]

The DDS needs it's extra 25 health back. It's perfect for huntsman snipers, as it lets you be more aggressive. Plus, you can still instantly die to a single quickscope, as a quickscope headshot does 150. The only problem the DDS had was the bullet protection. Not the health.

[@dorte_1232]

Bruh this video was so well done omfg, i don’t know why i just starter watching you!

[@jaysbadatgaming]

Cleaner’s Carbine is also pretty good with this loadout. Like you said, it takes just one bullet after a body shot to dispatch a light class, so the slower firing speed isn’t that bad. Plus, the mini-crits can actually be pretty effective when you miss a headshot with the bow (somehow) or with the Bushwhacka.

[@and_gelitan]

The “Get down Mr. President!” kills. 💀

[@zenithrium]

those SMG anims make me actually want to use it

[@fetch7312]

3:15 i know this was probably just the hitbox bugging but i like to think that the tf team just really loved their old skyrim memes

[@NoneNullAnd0]

The headshot hurtbox is stupid and it is easy to get accidental kills, but there's legitimately a lot of skill involved in learning your opponent's movement patterns and predicting where they'll end up. It's read, like in fighting games.

[@grimmsoul3096]

5:35 "my name is crazy Dave, but you can call me crazy Dave" basically the entire phone conversation.

[@CrabRangoon777]

I like to use the cozy camper with the lucksman cuz if you don’t miss you can easily roam the map solo

[@therealwetwizard]

I approve the diss on thunder mountain

[@insertmythologyfanname]

I changed my huntsman's name into "i meant to do that"

[@zrxpd1783]

3:13 "I was an adventurer like you until I took an arrow to the knee or something like that"

[@sparklebum]

lucksman was essentially my first ever casual match,, and im still proud of it

[@ZaTrapu]

It's uses the bounding box which is a big rectangle that's the same for every class to register hits. If it doesn't hit the class' hit box but hits only the bounding box it teleports itself to the nearest hitbox to where it hit on the bounding box. So effectively it screws over scout the most and heavy the least since scout covers very little of his while heavy takes up most of his

[@Helperbot-2000]

Not just that, but like 1/3 of the entire hitbox redirects the arrow to the head

[@ZaTrapu]

@@Helperbot-2000 it's so weird

[@Helperbot-2000]

@@ZaTrapu very

[@ZaTrapu]

@@Helperbot-2000 mhm

[@HalfWolf2]

5:25 Talkin to crazy dave

[@Doxos_]

im so bad at shooters that not even a weapon that almost aims for you can make me hit someone. thats why pyro exists.

[@ShinziiArt]

Dude... That smg animation... I neeeeed it

[@Creepley]

The most satisfying thing in TF2 is hitting a perfect airblast on a huntsman arrow and headshotting the sniper who fired it.

[@culturalliberator9425]

Wow! Overwatch game out in 2009! Man. All those memories.

[@fnln3011]

brings back memories of killing cloaked spies I didn't even know was there as I fired my traditional leaving spawn arrow

[@fawful7457]

The bounding boxes for each class...

[@uis246]

3:15 for server it wasn't me

[@laustlyngs7394]

recently just found your channel i really love this content

[@animegrievous7392]

idk why but when he switched to “game sense” he sounded like sound smith for a tad before returning back to elmaxo and i just found it funny

[@QMan1234red]

Randomly headshotting a rogue scout with the huntsman feels almost as good as reflecting huntsman arrows back into snipers

[@ricefarmer8799]

every time elmaxo uploads its always such happiness. anyone agree?

[@hexa138]

Surprised you didn't mention the taunt. When I see myself cornered I use it as a desperate measure and it works sometimes. It can even stop ubers with some luck.

[@sadinugarak1660]

The carti Choppa Wont Miss parody caught me off guard

[@schniemand]

Brought to you by Valve "We don't think about whether a feature can be implemented properly before implementing it" Software

[@sundaddy1077]

on thundermountain i was soldier defending last and no one was around so i fired a random rocket to a passageway and it happened to be a crocket and a spy happened to run into it. i cant get it out of my head it was hilarious

[@tomahawkfourth9254]

Honestly I'm tempted to rename my bow to the lucksman and have the description be, "Hope I get lucky."

[@gothicspoon]

Lucksman to saxophone taunt is the one true combo

[@dreamnail]

7:18 no way that wasnt a headshot when shooting an arrow into a demos knee is polished gameplay

[@IamElmaXD]

We need a full version of “Choppa Won’t Miss A Sniper.”