Neuralink Isn't Telling Us Something...

[@RandomGuyOnYoutube601]

I bet dollars to donuts that the patient 0 was in fact informed about the risks.

[@GET2222]

Exactly. This clown totally has a bias against musk. He can’t help himself. 😂 Until this new method can interact with a computer interface both of these solutions are viable for different reasons. Science is meant to be pushed. This clown got fired from Tesla and he’s bitter about it. A buddy of mine from Spacex who worked there for 7.5 years knows this guy. He’s still bitter. 😂

[@ChosenSquirrel]

He was informed of the risks , probably didn't know that specifically could happen but this is what Trials are for . LIstened to that interview , Nolan was slightly taken out of context as far as I can tell.

[@engkino]

He was , he said it during the interview. This video guy is a liar

[@13thbiosphere]

the monkeys were not informed

[@ChosenSquirrel]

@@13thbiosphere Well which is better having a vulture rip your body open while your alive or have weird humans experiment on your brain while giving you banana smoothy for your whole life . Nature is cruel. So long as animal testing isn't done for needless cruelty its fine. Like that one experiment where some scientists let some dogs face get eaten by sand flees .

[@voradorhylden3410]

They will eventually pump ads right into your brain. No skipping that.

[@kevinm.328]

Ads are the least of your problems. No doubt this could be used for mind control.

[@ghostburgers4284]

​@@kevinm.328 most humans are dumb enough to easily mind control so this is just redundant

[@djangosouthwest6043]

​@@kevinm.328 exactly

[@roboticfuzzball179]

@@kevinm.328ads and media already do that without being drilled into your brain 😭

[@kevinm.328]

@roboticfuzzball179 they have convince you now. With an implant, who knows what they'll be capable of doing

[@keithnance4209]

Feels like the same argument for Tesla…the “competition” is coming…which is always a good thing…it keeps Neuralink on their innovative toes while hopefully the other companies can also deliver breakthroughs that benefit humanity.

[@ChosenSquirrel]

I have no doubt that the competior will help people. But I don't know if it will have good write speed . Which would be required for making the blind see. But I am no expert , the less invasive the better long term... though I lean towards neurolink

[@Allets-cz1mg]

It’s not the argument but analysis

[@RegiJatekokMagazin]

Ye, now we can legalize this and make chips for newborn childs and look every thought and feelings. This is pure obsession and business. We dont have control of each other on earth or what?

[@boo3046]

@@RegiJatekokMagazin Bruh that episode from Black Mirror about to come true

[@chriskelso723]

Thats great. But, it always devolves from helping humanity to padding rich pockets.

[@stevenmcneely1466]

You didn't show any footage of Precision patients interfacing with a computer, so I'm assuming that hasn't happened yet. I'll wait for that to happen before I judge how effective the Precision implant is.

[@aidanr998]

he said in the video it's only used to collect data during other brain surgeries and then removed - they are doing it this way to promote large data collection safely, without having installing a permanent implant

[@aidanr998]

basically, they have way better data than Neuralink, but they are not developing direct working implants with the intention to use it on anyone yet.

[@yangvolcanos]

i would imagine that they have to collect data first, as much as possible to train their ML model for interfacing with computer applications. just being able to record electrical impulses from the brain won't make the computer magically understand what the pattern of impulses mean. the computer need to be told what impulse patterns are associated with what actions of the human before it can start decoding new impulse patterns. seems like Precision are at the stage of ML, decoding impulse patterns collected by their device and have yet to reach the stage of actually interfacing the patient with any computer applications from the info presented in this video.

[@SexKing-hj9nv]

@@aidanr998 this, kinda makes the whole video pointless and shows the creator made it to farm views and retain attention. They are different techs with different end goals. One is designed to gather data in a temporary setting (due to the brain moving I highly doubt the thin film implant could be left in the brain for long period of time) and the other is to relay data to allow people to interface with computers. The video acts like its it comparing amd and nevida gpus but really its comparing nevida gpus to amd cpus, similar techwith completely different end goals and then declaring one the winner.

[@Ludak021]

here you go v=LfwzfP8cp3A . It changed his life. It happened 3 months before this video.

[@carafurry7862]

People are gonna look back at this in 1-2 hundred years and be like "lobotomy 3.0"

[@Unmaleable]

Wrong

[@carafurry7862]

@@Unmaleable you can't spell wrong without ron

[@Unmaleable]

@@carafurry7862 That makes absolutely no sense

[@carafurry7862]

@@Unmaleable you can't spell absolutely without lute!

[@Unmaleable]

@@carafurry7862 wackadoole

Is Precision bidirectional? Because Neuralink is and that is the whole point. Any use will be limited if your interface can only "listen" and not "talk"!

[@alexm7023]

I think neuralink's long term goal is bidirectional, but they are still only "listening" at current stage. I could find any bidirectional reference in current trials

[@yangvolcanos]

the idea of a bidirectional brain implant is honestly scary, it opens up the possibility of having your brain hacked by malicious actors, literally. imagine you have no history of seizures at all in your life, not even any family history of it, but with a bidirectional implant, someone could induce a seizure in your brain quite literally by electrocuting your brain. cybersecurity of medical devices need to improve if this is to ever become reality.

[@Drunken_Hamster]

Quite frankly, bidirectional scares me.

[@tommapar]

@@Drunken_Hamster As well it should. They already implant thoughts and ideas into your brain through most media. Imagine the damage they'd cause with actual direct access to your brain.

[@norton_antivirus]

Would rather not get my brain hacked and my memories deleted/overwritten

[@robkeshav800]

Interesting. Can you please give examples of real patients that it has helped?

[@shayaan7462]

Noland Arbaugh is the first patient to get the surgery and it has helped him tremendously.

[@Samera-uf8fg]

​@@shayaan7462👍

[@sethcapello6745]

I’m a bit disappointed at this episode. I watch all of your stuff and normally you guys present good points on both sides of a topic. This was heavily slanted to this precision outfit. Almost a sales pitch, if I didn’t know any better. Not a single mention of what sort of data or outcomes gained from the precision folks. I saw Noland playing his favorite PC game, so…… Perhaps precision is less invasive but who cares if it can’t do anything? Go back to listening from outside the room. This one was a heavy miss for you guys.

[@SD-vp5vo]

you disappointed elon fan boy?

[@sethcapello6745]

@@SD-vp5vo just interested in truth. How about you? Never mind, I already know.

[@viniciussousadiniz4623]

Which arguments are there for neuralinks side? Should we prioritize safety or efficiency?

[@truliny-xyz]

@SD-5vpo

[@tommapar]

@@viniciussousadiniz4623 I think there's more than one approach, and that sometimes a little bit of courage and boldness can get you learning a heck of a lot more than playing it safe. Although I also understand the need to play it safe. To me, as long as everyone is TRANSPARENT so as to be aware of the risks involved, and as long as everyone CONSENTS, ON PAPER to it, then the rest doesn't matter as much.

[@StoepZulu]

Neuralink wants brain interface not just information, by not inserting threads you don't get the interface part just the information. However more competition in the space is amazing, cause it forces inovation.

[@maxidaho]

I'd like to see some comparative fidelity and latency data before coming to any conclusions. Wouldn't you?

[@jamessimmer725]

Do you think a quadriplegic is worried about the details of how the treatment might fail? What are the other choices? Noland Arbaugh is the first Neuralink trial and I have never seen a more appreciative patient. He views it as nothing short of a miracle--which it is! Neuralink is learning the pros and cons of their implant design. They have limited themselves to a single patient to minimize the affects of unforeseen consequences. The comment about failure to inform the patient about the potential for thread retraction specifically is cheap shot. Certainly the consent form warned of the potential for brain damage/scarring as well as failure to function without going into all the ways those negative consequences could possibly happen. It is dishonest to equate the retraction of threads with a failure in safety. Neuralink is learning how to improve the implant before going on to a second patient. In contrast, Benjamin Rapoport has already performed his procedure on 14 patients!

[@kurtthealien585]

Am besten wir lassen jeglich Forschung in allen Bereichen lieber sein es könnten ja unvorhersehbare Probleme entstehen 🤦‍♂️😂 This Video is so dumb

[@reginalewilliams4472]

Forehead anybody?

[@jacobp.2024]

People are hungry to hear about Neuralink failures. There's a fear of new technology like this that I do not share, which is annoying to see everywhere. When there's a sincere success, it's not celebrated like it should be. This'll be revolutionary for paralyzed patients regardless of what happens next.

[@tomhv9]

Has precision shown their implant being used by a human to control something via bluetooth? I cant find anything on their website

[@mariodimitriadis]

Its used during surgeries and then being removed at this point. From what i understand their goal for now is to collect as much data as possible without permanance to the patients.

[@myxalplyx]

@@tomhv9 No, they have not. It's no comparison.

[@matcharen]

this guy is deleting my comments.

[@Rainiermix]

What were you saying?

[@Endersgamejp]

It's not 'this guy' it's KZbin. Use different words.... they don't like certain ones so you need to choose wisely

[@redmadness265]

​@@EndersgamejpJust as lame

[@taragnor]

@@Endersgamejp Yup KZbin censorship is crazy nowadays.

[@White_Night_Demon]

What did you say?

[@johnambers]

Great episode but I don't think your conclusions are yet proven. Insertions might get even thinner less invasive and show a much deeper understanding of how the brain works. It might also allow for far more ability to control certain areas of the brain, allowing a better life for the patient. But holy shit, that doctor's resume is insane. I would not bet against him.

[@AndreyPavlovUS]

In theory, neuralink can treat brain disorders like epilepsy. That tiny thing is only good for reading thoughts and not all signals will be interpreted correctly. So you can think of calling mom but you will call nun LOL Type Hello, types fellow. And so on.

[@PeterTerren]

But like a real brain it has plasticity and if you ring your mum 1000 times because it is correct then new synapses form to reinforce the connection@@AndreyPavlovUS

[@kenjudithglover]

On the other hand, I personally would not bet against Elon Musk.

[@williamyoung9401]

I trust nothing the owner of a slave emerald mine system in Africa produces...

[@IndigenousEarthling101]

It is good to have critical discussions and market competition regarding such a potentially important nascent technology.

[@appl314]

Reuters reputation for accurate information has been questionable lately

[@GntlTch]

Not just lately!

[@appl314]

@GntlTch I guess we can now add time magazine to this. A youtubers is on the ai influencer list, but Elon, who funded open ai, is not... you have to ask, .who made money as a result of this really bad reporting

[@libertykrueger1433]

There are lots of other approaches. One company even put a sensor array into an arterial stint which can be placed non-invasivly deep inside the circulatory system of the brain.

[@KevinT]

I think that, beyond simply monitoring neural activity, Neuralink wants to also give input and “participate in the conversation” (in reference to the metaphor). I don’t think that the Precision device is able to do that with the described design.

[@Me__Myself__and__I]

Also I wonder how effective it is being untethered. Neuralink may have retraction issues, but the electrodes that remain are in place and stable. If the precision device rests on top unattached it may shift position, maybe by small amounts, relative to the brain. I imagine that would be very difficult to get consistent results over time and patients would likely have difficulty learning to control anything through it.

[@KevinT]

@@Me__Myself__and__I Yes I can see that. Someone might have trained an ML model to be really good at deciphering the signal in one spot, and then the device might slip and go somewhere else. But it was interesting that the Precision device folds to the dura's crumpled texture. This might let it stay in place well.

[@Me__Myself__and__I]

@@KevinT Maybe. But probably not enough. Training your mind to control something would require training specific neurons. Neurons are tiny, so even if it moves a small fraction of an inch that could drastically alter the results. No one has "solved" this yet. So we don't yet know what the best solution will be. Actually, maybe the best solution would end up being a combination. Imagine much larger sensor sheets that covered much more of the brain exterior combined with a small number of more intrusive Neuralink type implants to allow for better two-way data transfer. Who knows, time will tell.

[@Dianaranda123]

@@Me__Myself__and__I I would indeed also suggest something like that, maybe with some nanotechnology, you could bassically insert this same short of small sheet, but the nano bots increase the size of the sheet, aswell as install those same threads way deeper without causing much damage. Heck in this method, you could probably cover far larger areas then is currently possible.

[@Me__Myself__and__I]

@@Dianaranda123 True, but I don't think we're going to have the luxury of nanotech. That is still a long way off and we need better solutions for this much sooner. There should be ways to create much larger sheets that wrap a large portion of the brain. And NeuroLink is already having better results with their 2nd patient and talking about doing dual i plants in future patients.

[@MeatFingerSteam]

This is a great deep dive in a company I'd never heard of before. I also like the fact that unlike other Tesla video's, there's some skepticism about Neuralink's approach here. Great job! I'd love to see these two methods compete in the future for paralyzed/blind patients.

[@turtleanton6539]

Indeed🎉

[@GiulioVonKerman]

Well this is not a Tesla video though...

[@thorddespace2773]

There will always be skepticism and or criticism of new things. It has always been so, most often wrongly from the foremost experts.

[@mrfn-wb1cw]

I'd rather not have a chip implanted in my brain. This sounds like a scenario you would see in a dystopian movie

[@robgannon5008]

How does Precision solve the problem of the brain moving inside the skull? Wouldn't it lose its functions when the brain moves?

[@OlivierHokke]

Precision won't be able to WRITE to the brain and only READ. That's very key here Interesting video!! Never heard of Precision

[@antmass3]

I would say "message" would be a more appropriate term than "write". 'Writing' implies that information has been transmitted and encoded into a stable, persistent neuro pattern.

[@investormd4436]

Very interesting. Thank you for sharing. One thing I would say is, the video likes to say "it's been proven" so and so "that precision method is better.". I think it's very early to see how either company will do with different approach.

[@TheTeslaSpace]

Fair point. KZbin loves bold statements to drive engagement - such as we're doing right now lol

[@JustPeaceLoveAndKindness]

True, the Precision probes are much less invasive and likely the better way to map brain function. At the same time, it doesn’t tell you which specific brain tissue you can stimulate to get the response desired. Both have their separate advantages and disadvantages. Precision will likely overtake Neuralink in making prosthetic robotic hardware work to brain signal. The challenge is making something that the body and brain doesn’t reject. Even Precision’s probe will cause rejection and scarring, and likely can’t stay functional long term. The key challenge is to somehow create artificial neurons instead of threads so that they will form more permanent connections to those neural centers without the body’s rejection.

[@PeterTerren]

"...Elon interviewed 1000 applicants personally.... yeah right.

[@snorttroll4379]

maybe sifted through 1000 real candidates

[@philad2079]

Its possible. Talk to 5 people per day for a year. A rich workaholic with people to do supporting task, can do it.

[@williamyoung9401]

Elon doesn't do anything personally; except unilaterally shut down StarLink when Ukraine tries to liberate their territory. 🛰

[@robgannon5008]

Its not really a valid comparison between the 2 systems when the Nuralink stays permanently, but the other is just inserted tested then removed. How does Rapoport's perform long term?

[@Ivytheherbert]

Ben: "Hey, we might be able to help people without causing brain damage!" Elon: "Yeah, but can we program them?"

[@bujin5455]

7:36. I doubt very seriously the risk is on a linear scale like that. I bet doubling the depth 10x the complication risks, or something on that order.

[@QUESTC-ho5ni]

It won’t be able to display the interface to your eyes, and you won’t be able to talk on the phone, Spotify in your head won’t work, but controlling electronics with the power of thought is quite possible

[@joshlewis575]

1st of who tf wants them to be able to broadcast who knows what to your eyes. 2nd who wants them to be able to blast whatever music/content playing in your head. Both those things sound absolutely terrible and absolutely frightening.

[@ramblerandy2397]

Brilliant. It's not a sin that an Elon Musk company isn't the best at something. It seems as though Precision Neuroscience has the game changer. Well done them. Keep going Neuralink. I'm sure there is plenty of improvement to be made. Maybe Neuralink will find an even better solution for their purposes through better design. Everybody benefits eventually.

[@GlobalScienceNetwork]

ECoG electrode arrays have been placed in patients for many many years. The question would be are the ones made by Precision different? Precision’s implant, the Layer 7 Cortical Interface, is a thin-film microelectrode array containing 1,024 miniature electrodes, packed into a space of approximately 1.6 square cm. That really does not say much. If these are not recording single spikes but just LFP signals it is nothing new. Sure this information can be somewhat useful depending on the frequency but it is not the same as single spikes. I am not sure having 4,096 electrodes gives you that much more information you can extract than if you had an ECoG grid with 100 electrodes over the same area. This is probably why it is not that big of news if people were wondering. If they can utilize these electrodes to do something no one else has done Precision will likely get more attention. BCI potential is very limited in reality even though it gets lots of hype, the future of technology is in hardware-based AI, IMO.

[@ash.mystic]

3:20 perfectly used meme!

[@papyrus_13]

This series of "Isn't Telling Us Something" has never disappointed so far

[@AveryHyena]

Can't wait until we get neuropozyne to solve that rejection issue

[@WynterLegend]

I DO NOT LIKE THAT LAST BIT! "Communicates via wireless and bluetooth" Yeah, that's not asking for people to fuck with it, not at all. JFC, you'd have to wear a faraday hat to prevent people from tampering with it wirelessly

[@patclark2186]

In the end if I have a degenerate or traumatic neurological illness, I wont want the doctors to collect data l and record it. I will want doctors to actually send signals back to my neurons to fix the problem. Musks idea has that as a goal, from what you told us Dr Rappaports idea has no such goal.

[@OpalDruscilla]

I am sorry Musk will not heal you, it's not his business. He wants to own you. I would go with the guy concerned about safety, I bet if he keeps working on that model more functions can be refined.

[@somsci]

Nice analogy of listening through a wall. It’s still early days though and very possible reaching deeper neurons will be worth the hassle and risks. There may be a place for both technologies,

[@TravisCotter]

All human endeavors have risks, its a part of being alive. Continue on Elon. Mr. X

[@ZElphear-qv4ix]

I literally use the technology used by Presicion in my draft for my sci Fi short story and the actual computational components wirelessly connect to the BCI film using a bio adhesive on the scalp with a max connection range of 0.05mm to protect against possible uninitialized connection.

[@AndrewDInSydney]

One question I have with this is how can you change the depth of your sensors and still be communicating with the neurons that your system has been designed for? I know the brain is meant to have plasticity but I’m surprised they can still chase the same goal after what seems to me like a large move(?)

[@GntlTch]

Software.

[@shokdj1]

Well I hope both Ben and Elon make this successful. It’s obviously still early days we might not benefit from it but in 100 years this could be life changing

[@theJellyjoker]

[9:06] 🤓 I got another idea! What if we used some stem cell neurons on the probe and those neurons connected to the brain?

[@doubleooh7337]

Sounds more like looking in through the window than listening through the wall

[@TheTeslaSpace]

Metaphors are hard

[@crimsonghoul8983]

@@TheTeslaSpace Let's put it this way. Elon musk drilled a hole without completely breaking open the wall and tried to eavesdrop on what's happening in the neighbor's room. Benjamin Rapport, on the other hand, carved out multiple holes and places hearing devices to get the most output. One risks the structural integrity of the wall while the other can end up being effective in only combining the output from these multiple holes and coming up with a result the same as the former. Honestly, Precision would end up putting a lot of work in just filtering the data because this would involve encountering too much noise. Which, while it might be safer than Neuralink, it isn't an effective BCI.

[@nikhiljoshi2961]

Who the actual fuck cares?

[@crimsonghoul8983]

@@nikhiljoshi2961 Well, you don't want to give someone who is listening to the video the wrong impression. The proper metaphor can color a better picture in someone's mind. So yes, some people do care.

[@doubleooh7337]

@@nikhiljoshi2961 obviously nobody with a pea brain such as yourself!

[@plantstho6599]

Neuralink and Precision should switch their brand logos. Look at them both and think about the procedures involved. It makes sense!

[@Chaos_God_of_Fate]

It's like listening to neighbors through walls, yes- but I imagine it a bit like being blind or def, it heightens your senses- if you listen long enough you get accustomed to it and notice smaller details that weren't so obvious at first, then even the silences mean something and the things that happened before that silence changes what it means *hears a rhythmic banging on the wall that goes on a bit, then suddenly it gets faster for a few seconds, then silence*- well, you're neighbors just got dirty :P Anyway, I figure with enough practice there's no limit- eventually we'll get ourselves a fancy stethoscope- walls might be there still but now, we can hear everything. Ya, it's a metaphor- as long as we don't wipe ourselves out we'll get there, it's just a matter of when, not if. It may be invasive at first but eventually I suspect we'll pretty much just be putting a hat on, with all manor of the best stethoscopes! That's going to be some scary tech- the law will be able to read your thoughts and well, real 'provable' thought crimes: here we come!

[@PeterTerren]

This is an anti neuralink hit piece in almost every sentence. No problem with the surface device but how was it to stay fixed on the surface to allow for the 3mm brain movement? Do you know about the vastly larger deeper electrodes used for deep brain stimulation as for movement disorders? Many inches into the deep basal ganglia. Another 'Elon bad" video.

[@WynterLegend]

I believe that the pins or threads connection is *not* the solution. You have to ask yourself, and observe, "What would work best WITH the tissues, ass opposed to trying to fight them?"

[@United_Wings]

Interesting 🤔

[@ChosenSquirrel]

Time will tell. I don't think your going to get good read write capabilities without getting in deep . You can probably get good read data , but not write. We will see though , history will decide .

[@philad2079]

4:44 Utah Array was created by Dr. Richard Norman at the University of Utah. It is licensed to Blackrock neurotech

[@philad2079]

12:57 Precision Neuroscience is doing ECoG work. It’s resolution is not has high as Neuralink’s thread implants.

[@vortraz2054]

I would consider one after proven safety, benefits, but more importantly SECURITY. There will be NO PART of a device attached to my brain that Im unable to reprogram or have removed immediately upon learning of security issues

[@tylergasperproductions]

Lol, we're all about to turn into talking monkeys wearing hats and hating bananas 😂

[@tekmepikcha6830]

Now THIS is a totally awesome video!! Please continue to follow up with Precision (AND ALL COMPETITORS) of Elon's inventions! 👏👏👏

[@PeterTerren]

...because Elon bad...

[@bismarck9938]

Good research man

[@Cello69.]

Are you going to change the name of your channel to “the Rapoport space” now ?

[@DrVaticinator]

Precision sounds like it listens to the brain, neurolink wants full communication. Big difference. Precision might do an artificial limb, while Neurolink is shooting for an artificial eye.

[@Lemons122]

If elon musk didn't want the threads to come out of the next patient, they would do tests prior to ensure that it works. Everything that happens in human trials is 100% what everyone expected, including Elon's team.

[@liomurasaki]

I wish i was able to test neuralink myself, i can be a potential study subject, considering my brain function isn't perfect and i have a story of atypical convulsion as a kid, maybe something can be learned about when you plant a seed in a bad soil xD but maybe it can help me fill the gaps of what my brain is bad at doing, like... Concentrating.... Or... Remembering

[@mountainshark2388]

Receiving signals is only half the story especially when it comes to curing blindness/paralysis. I don't think you done any research for this video other that grabbing headlines.

[@ljprep6250]

I can't wait to see how well the Rapoport device works in actuality. Question: Don't all these long wires into/onto the brain pose a risk in case of EM surge near the head?

[@ayeyaeye]

The creator of the original human circuit wired it to be difficult to hack from the inside out and easy to hack from the outside in using repetition.

[@Ludak021]

We used to lobotomize people. It's how progress works. Neural link, or any technology like it, is the step in the right direction. Risks are there, unknowns are there but it's part of the journey. Just think about how many people died once we started doing blood transfusions. And that's just one example.

[@monkeyjshow]

The original idea was to create something that would grow into and fuse with the brain tissues

[@shiftswiftlystudios]

The semi, the roadster, the robotaxi, the humanoid bot, the solar shingles, the traffic tunnels, the hyperloop, the 25k tesla for the masses. 5:34 but 🤔

[@clanof1144]

competition breeds innovation.

[@thepicklemanofficial9907]

I like how theres all these videos on the internet telling people not to trust corporations or politicians and they try to act all surprised like that isnt just common sense

[@mjh7609]

This other technology is a different interface modality and although it has less invasive data gathering ability, it does not have the same actionable interface for doing something with the brain. Very unlikely it will be a true competitor with Neuralink in the long run.

[@axle.student]

I favourable to the Precision idea, but I have to wonder how they would stop the contacts from just moving around all aver the surface. Even a few neurons movement would require a new learning phase?

[@Killerean]

Neuralink isn't pushing the boundaries of anything. Brain implants are an old news. The only reason why there isn't more of them is because they're problematic. They require installation of either the implant itself or its cable in to the most critical and sensitive part of the human body. One small infection can turn a healthy user in to a corpse, or a bumbling idiot. And then there is the rejections, because human body is built to remove foreign objects. The real boundary push would be a biotech implant. Potentially something like implant with electrodes coated in compatible live cells to act as an interface between the brain and the implant. This way the body will never know there is a foreign object and won't attack the implant.

[@bwz7275]

For the sake of the people that this may help,I think it is great that they are using thier vast resources to try .

[@Mickey007]

Good for Precision. Non evasive, for mapping the brain.

[@hohohohoho8680]

This thing has to work. There's no other optt

[@johncooper5870]

A lot of neural activity takes place within the brain, not just on its exterior surface, so this new tech is very limited in what it can see. And it appears to be output data only, not able to provide input to the brain.

[@Me__Myself__and__I]

You completely miss the point. Elon is not doing this to make a profit. He is doing itout of a strong belief that humans need something like this to remain co petitive with / in control of future AI. No one else was getting it done so he started Neuralink. It is not yet known what technology will succeed long-term, which is why both of these are experimental technoligies. If either succeeds in creating a high bandwidth human/machine interface humanity wins. But saying Neuralink is inferior, unsafe or whatever is just pure speculation currently. A decade or two from now the facts will be known, right now its nothing more than bias, opinion or speculation.

[@avarga99]

An important point.

[@OpalDruscilla]

Nice cartoon login

[@peppermintgal4302]

Oh please. He did it because he's an overgrown child. You should have seen how embarrassed the neurolink engineers were during Musk's presentation when they were all standing behind him, and he was promising "videogames, in your mind!" Musk is obsessed with clout and self gratification. Really, if you think he's an honest person, you should see how he talks when he's talking to audiences in China. He's a political chameleon. All this "for humanity!" stuff is just disingenuous talk. He knows American science loving audiences respond well to it. If we all hated humanity, he'd be pitching neurolink on the idea that it will cause immense suffering or something like that.

[@Me__Myself__and__I]

@@peppermintgal4302 Have you ever met, talked to or worked with a CEO or entrepreneurial startup person? Its literally their job to "hype" things to get investment, attract talent and such. The engineers in all companies feel exactly the same way when their CEO hypes things. This is not unique to Musk in any way. I never said he was honest. I don't think any CEO in the world is honest. I don't like it, but just like politicians sometimes they have to tell people what they want to hear. Yes, sometimes Elon is childish, sometimes he lies, etc. It doesn't mean everything he does is a lie or that he doesn't have good intentions. To try and understand someone you can't focus on little details too much, you have to try and see the big picture. The overall trends. Elon's long-term trends are to focus on things that are good for humanity. That is a fact. Then some of the details he engages in to make those things a reality are not always nice.

[@grecus4449]

At first I thought it will be shitting on Neuralink for not producing perfect results on the first attempt and there were some information I'm sceptical about(it's words of random ytuber vs words of a guy who gets money from saying everything is fine so there are no 100% credible sources) but the solution Precision presented sounds ideal. Having hole in the skull sounds less than ideal and in neuralink if you want to add reading from different part of the brain you have to make second hole. Only placing something on top of the brain through tiny slit is probably the least invasive option possible. Now the important question would be what's the difference in performance. It would be nice to get some comparison in performance in the same field.

[@Aslyuriel]

Put microscopic barbs or that shit they put on pet rfid chips, that permanant bio-glue, on the wires.

[@keulron2290]

Plugging a computer into your head is just such a stupid idea. Not even merely the risk of having something plugged into/attached to your brain, but the fact that it’s a freaking computer. *Someone* is eventually going to figure out how to hack that, it’s inevitable, and cause major damage.

[@Kmakmizzle]

They already have wifi frequencies that can do this. Why make it analog?

[@echomors9923]

i feel like looking at a ruler on a screen that u can change the size of is ineffective

[@oldmanstumpie1061]

WOW, writing off technology after 1 attempt. I'm going to do that with your YT channel that seems full of FUD. Imagine if Neuralink could have a second attempt and improve it, and then a third and so on. Did you do one of these episodes on Starship and write that off too after the early Starship failures. Lets see how this clip ages. BTW, I hope Precision works, but from my limited research it seems less successful than Neuralink.

[@LostTNT123Why-ij7tk]

I wish more people new about precision

[@ManuFortis]

Bluetooth... Precision needs to fix that. Bluetooth is, at least last I checked, very horribly insecure as far as wireless signal go. It is useful for testing purposes, but for any real world use, I would invent a new wireless protocol instead that ideally has as few to no security vulnerabilities possible. The brain is not something we should be frivolous about when it comes to the potential security nightmares that could occur.

[@AndrewDInSydney]

I think this array is able to read activity, but isn’t neuralink going to be bidirectional?

[@AMERICALISTEN]

Why not incorporate barbs on the threads if possible to hold in place

[@Infernal_toast]

More scarring id imagine

[@ashleyobrien4937]

did anyone wince and recoil at the site of that thin "cutty sharp" film thing sliding onto and then maybe INTO someones grapefruit ? papercut anyone ? sheeez no f'ing thanks !!!

[@LegitTarkov]

1 mm is not 1\3 of an inch a cm is

[@logangraham2956]

couldn't we just wrap the entire brain in a layer of these surface level probes and get pretty accurate data that way? you could even hypothetically use triangulation to pinpoint the exact neuron the signal came from.

[@uchefestus6580]

Isn't the purpose of neurolink to help ppl with disabilities, so how is them not testing on able-bodied ppl a problem?? Wouldn't that defeat the whole point.

[@Jarmister]

Double can mean squared damage

[@lobopix_]

Sounds like the *safety* concern directly built in, up front, to Rapoport's work needs to be transferred to the AI sector also. Rapoport is massively credentialed across many disciplines and practices unlike the modern fool *Melon Rusk.* Jus' sayin'

[@cody1570]

The only thing I m worried about is a virus infecting neurolink or they send out some kind of mind control or docile program to control everyone like mindless zombies. So far I havent seen either, more so that you can take over video games and is the closest thing to one of those animes like sword art. Thats about it so far

[@migidid]

Im all in for non-invasive neuralink. not like electronics stores have machine to drill it to your brain. When it comes widely available its just a thing you put on your head thats it. No drilling involved whatsoever.

[@movingloz]

Really informative video. Thanks. 🙏.

[@Bluesrains]

IT WOULD BE NICE IF THERE WAS BLUETOOTH FOR THE BRAIN IMPLANTS.

[@rl9702]

The amount of bad takes in this video is absolutely baffling. Just like how no other country or company can catch up to SpaceX, the reason for Neuralink's different methods is due to their greater end goal. Neuralink's end goal is interfacing humans with AI, not merely helping disabled individuals, that's why their system needs to be more invasive. They need to be able to not just record brain signals but to send them eventually as well. Their next milestone project would be to be able to partially restore sight with an implant. I don't think the Precision implant would be able to do this ever, being on the surface of the brain. And why all the FUD about brain damage? Neuralink's first patient, Noland Arbaugh, is still very happy and grateful for being able to test out the implant. He neither looks nor reports of any brain damage. If you cared that much about brain damage how about making a video trying to ban contact sports like football or binge drinking? SMH

[@oldmanstumpie1061]

I agree. He's already giving up on it due to brain damage. Is there any proof of that? Another few mm of insertion might stop the threads working loose from brain movement.

[@sebastiantaylor6236]

​@@oldmanstumpie1061are you a bot

[@kurtthealien585]

The Brain can handel some damage.. fact is there are people outside they got shot in the head or they hade an accident where they lose the half side of her head/brain and they dont die from these injures

[@JamesAlexander14]

If you had ever had brain damage, you wouldn’t be asking such a damned fool question! And yes, I have had brain damage.

[@peppermintgal4302]

​@@kurtthealien585 They don't die, but they are often irreparably neurologically injured. Don't get me wrong, the brain can heal in some incredible ways, but it doesn't mean that it flawlessly recovers it's abilities.

[@snorttroll4379]

roll up the thin film so that u can use a small hole in stead of a slit.

[@salahhamze]

I don’t agree on the first point. It is orders of magnitude behind non-invasive methods of BCI implantation and implementation. It’s actually kind of a joke.

[@Yomama6678]

Arasaka and biotechnica

[@LG-qz8om]

I understand the intent is beyond simply restoring motor control. However if motorcontrol is a goal, then why not address it where it belongs? The Spine is the primary comm linl to all m p tor & sensory data. It would be a GREAT advancecincmedicine to develop a method to reconnect even severed lines. For example, it should be a simple process of mapping nerve ends to relay data across a gap. And it falls right in line with current AI Pattern-matching. Place an array at each end and ise AI models to isolate matching signals until you have ultimately restored enough connectivity to restore a normal life. Now wouldnt that be a significant breakthrough in itself? Perhaps the funding from the procedure in everyday cases might be enough to continue further brain investigation. Take the simple step first. Work in sequence.

[@GntlTch]

The spine is an entirely different world than the brain and orders of magnitude more difficult. The spinal cord is much harder to access, the vertebrate are small with large movement, the list goes on. There was a very good video(?) article(?) discussing this but, unfortunately, I can't find the link.

[@LG-qz8om]

@@GntlTch if you find the video i would be happy to view it. Thanks.