Elon Musk will take us to Mars - will it be home? | Reinier Zeldenrust | TEDxLondonBusinessSchool

[@thomasaquinas2600]

Trust me, if you somehow get to Mars with the technology we have now, it will be your permanent home. Better hope you packed lunch, and air for that matter. I don't know; would you want to live on a planet whose tiny moons are named 'Fear'(Phobos) and 'Panic'(Deimos).

[@Belboz99]

Mars has two moons, Phobos and Deimos, which may actually be asteroids captured by Mars's gravity. Lower gravity up and down to orbit, and if you mine on Phobos or Deimos deliveries could go straight from orbit to Earth, no large "lifting" costs.

[@opordinaryperson6595]

@Pat Riarchy Imagine an ice roid crashed into the surface, breaking up and perhaps kickstarting teraforming

[@chrisbraid2907]

@@opordinaryperson6595 wild imagination ....

[@1Skeptik1]

Living in the Antarctic far lass challenging. Lets go and have a peek, but living there no where on the horizion.

[@smittyjohnson9554]

That's because international treaties prevent people from owning the land.

[@thomasvizcainco5658]

It’s good to dream and Musk has the best interest at heart ❤️ but we don’t have the right technology yet. And we should worry more about our planet

[@Hello-uk5xp]

They 7 billion people in the world it doesn’t matter if a couple of people are interested in space

[@georgeb.3292]

We have the techology. Also, multitasking!

[@walperstyle]

The question ISN'T about Political Will and Money. It's about getting the government out of the way, and getting the right people able to easily work on solutions. Deregulate immediately so people can build solutions. Mars is there for the taking... Let people take it.

[@de0509]

If governments dont exist, spacex may not have enough business.

[@walperstyle]

False. Telecommunications companies, geo mapping, and breakout RnD that requires different variables.

[@smittyjohnson9554]

If SpaceX didn't get taxed and regulated to death they wouldn't need NASA contracts. They don't even need those contracts today. They get about 75% of their profits from private companies.

[@walperstyle]

Its only going to get better the less nanny state we have.

[@keimo2007]

No problem... 0bummer is gone!

[@BenJamin-rt7ui]

all conflict has its roots in ownership of natural resources. that needs to be sort out before "colonising" or asteroid mining anything.

[@robertmoore7759]

This dissertation glosses over the vast majority of the challenges of settling Mars. There isn't sufficient oxygen and no food - Grow plants that produce oxygen and provide food. The soil is toxic so food plants would not be edible. Water is present but what will it take to obtain sufficient amounts for all of the needs? At the low end, 300 to 500 plants would be needed per person however this doesn't take into consideration the CO2 produced by one person. Likely closer to 700 plants per person and that requires a lot of space and water. Tera forming? If we can turn a hostile environment into a life sustaining environment, wouldn't we simply do that right here on earth? Fundamental oversight on the problems faced- We have hostile environments right here on earth that are not settled. Antarctica, the deep deserts, under the oceans to name a few. At best we visit those environments for short periods of time. Why aren't they settled? Mainly cost to sustain such a permanent settlement with little or no return on the dollar and these are in our back yard, not tens of millions of miles away. The thought put forward is recovery of cost through mining either on Mars or on asteroids. Really? When will that be possible and profitable enough for any company to invest the capital to fund settling Mars? I don't think any board of directors would accept, "We'll spend billions of dollars to establish a permanent settlement on Mars in the hope that we MIGHT realize a profit in 100 years." These are just scratching the surface of the challenges faced when contemplating settling on Mars. The thought of creating a permanent settlement on Mars is very romantic and even exciting but not very practical.

[@chrisbraid2907]

The Fact that the Russians aren't interested tells you that they already have their Martian base up and running. except it's in Siberia ....

[@anonymousanonymous4510]

We could sort out most of problems for Mars with radioactive isotope thermal generators, as with them essentially you could provide all the energy the colony/outpost could ever need, and probably more.. electricity, heating, light for plants and even transportation using electric motors.. also, after a while you could build a refinery, where hydrogen & oxygen would be extracted via electrolesis, once again using same generator.. oxygen used by people, whilst hydrogen for rocket fuel, as well as fuel for transportation on the surface.. maybe engineers could develope hydrogen engine that could be used for flying.. As far as habitats, initially majority of structures SHOULD be underground, especially parts where people will sleep, eat and relax.. also preferably most workplaces, such as labs, communication unit, hospital, food storage, etc.. structures that you might put topside would be either experiments, to see how much radiation penetrates through protection, or short-duration stays.. this measures should be used at least untill people know beyond doubt what they're dealing with.. once you have extended & interconected underground habitat, consisting of multiple air-tight modules, that's when you can start building more and more surface structures.. probably most would need to be encased in thick layer of regholith.. and growing food would have to be done in artificial lighting..

[@anaklusmosgreek3198]

Why cant we use the tech to fix this planet and help it instead of jumping ship and starting Human Civilization Again from scratch

[@chrisbraid2907]

If we do that we don't get to screw up another planet, assuming we didn't actually screw up Venus and Mars then Evacuate to here to repeat the cycle .....

[@georgeb.3292]

From scratch? Who said it is gonna be from scratch? LOL. Also, we have the tech already to fix Earth. The problem is politicians and their interests. Γι' αυτό μη λες βλακείες.

[@urbandefencechannelu.d.c6438]

people say we should look after this planet first We need to move the mass population here to other worlds to give the earth time to reset itself. Surely someone hasn''t worked out a mathematical equation as to optimal earth population, with western consumption. I have heard from sources that it is in the vicnitity of 1 billion. If everone wants to live like a westerner and they do, then we will need the resources of five planet earths to sustain that. We are in for a big shitfight if we don't start relocating people soon.

[@chrisbraid2907]

The presumption that Earth will reset itself is wrong. leaving the planet and trying to let it recover would take massive resources putting the planet in worse shape. Move everyone to western Australia (There is plenty of room to redesign accommodation and good land for food production) and let the rest of the planet get on with assisted healing. Bonus : you don't risk travel through SUPER RADIATION and Western Australia will become the Biggest developed Cosmopolitan Society. Why there? well they are quite a cosmopolitan State .... Maybe we will do so well that everyone will stay and live in peace. An interesting thought, what say we leave all the Arabs and Moslem in the Middle east to look after themselves ....

[@FPVREVIEWS]

we need to go underground, seal off lava tubes so we can pressurize them, and grow lots of plants, and "meat".

[@Pisti846]

There will never be meat on Mars, the scientists will never allow it.

[@chrisbraid2907]

@@Pisti846 that depends on what you call meat, Vegetarians have a food they call meat that would fit the bill.

[@ernestimken6969]

There is no hot, magnetic core in Mars.

[@chrisbraid2907]

@@ernestimken6969 You are right and that's just part of the Problem. Lower Gravity would make it harder to sustain an atmosphere if you could generate one, no automatic Ionospheric Protection from Solar radiation. need to maintain enough pressure on any water you might thaw out of the soil to stop it boiling away. I don't see it happening either ....

[@teranelson826]

Where do you suggest getting the power to grow this food, were are you going to get th nitrogen and soil to grow this food. If your rising animal for slaughter what animals and how do you propose getting them to mars? Chickens are out because they could never survive the trip since they need gravity to eat and drink. Who wants to go to mars and spend the rest of your life underground, might as well just build and underground habitat here on earth, it would be much cheaper, safer and more possible here.

[@DarthVader20201]

This will happen in 5 to 10 years from now

[@paideia-e9u]

And so, however, even after such a great many profound self-sacrifices; incredible personal accomplishment in technology, wealth, power, and fame to this point and date, Mr. Elon Musk, many great men, and the whole world are still neglecting, unable, and failing to notice some of the greatest unresolved meaningful tasks; left undone, awaiting, need be resolved asap in order truly heal and rescue the many internal and external illnesses and problems throughout the world. *** What could that be? Very best wishes always, altc, Paideia Academy and Society.

[@captrodgers4273]

i think the future of space cololys will be o'neil space cylinders, mars and the moon might be great tourist places but the gravity is just too low for humans to live there long term, an oneil space cylinder can be made to spin creating near earth gravity simulation and you dont need to leave a gravity well to come and go from the station. if you build them big enough you can put thousands of ppl in there

[@Stand1ngBear]

The reality is that having a settlement on Mars in the next decade is currently an outlandish idea. Space X is getting ahead of themselves. This operation needs much more planning and much more participation from much more personnel. Before we can even think about living there we need to have a reconnaissance team scout out all the potential starting points for the creation of a new civilization. And before that, the team or teams need to receive the appropriate training to be able to carry out the mission, and before that we have to figure out how to train them, what they beed to be trained on, how to acquire and pay for training equipment and material, and so on, and so on. There is SO much more thought that needs to be put into all of this.

[@kuriousitykat]

You don't need to 'scout out all the potential starting points' you just need to choose one good spot. Astronaut training is already in place. Pyschological testing is pretty advanced already. It's not as complicated as you think.

[@TheDRIVER3232]

I think Elon has it planned out a little more than u think

[@shywarrior865]

it's not complicated, fix the ozone layer first , and then play god to resurect the dead planet mars.

[@chrisbraid2907]

@@shywarrior865 it is complicated when you don't have or know if you have a molten core on Mars to help sustain life like it does here on earth. I am all for improved robotics to continue the exploration of Mars the frozen water and CO2 quantities need more accurate diagnosis before we think about more than just visiting Mars ...

[@shywarrior865]

try the sahara desert first, colonize make it green.. no need to change the air, , or the gobi desert, convert it to fertile land,

[@acerbicatheist2893]

Can't move "hundreds of millions of people", can one? No, not really. What you can do is watch them die. Mars missions are all academic until there is a decent base on the Moon, providing a fall-back position, a base outwith the gravity-well of the Earth. Hey ; I love Elon Musk as much as the next person who wants to see a proper manned space-programme, but a spot of truth here would go a long way. I can't say to people, "Oooh, yeah, a mission to Mars, what a swell idea...etc. etc.!", because it isn't a swell idea unless there already exists a base in space. A temporary base on one of the Martian "moons" would be nice too, since we're dealing with fantasia...providing a radio relay-link, and another base outside of the Martian atmosphere and gravity-well. IMO.

[@chrisbraid2907]

Well he has the money to create this great melodrama . I think it's his version of revenge of the Nerds ....

[@jerrilehane7815]

You just lied and simultaneously insulted me by saying there's no indigenous population on Mars

[@jmseipp]

Someone please explain to Elon Musk that according to scientists there isn’t enough CO2 trapped beneath the Martian surface to ever be able to terraform it as he plans. He wants to explode nuclear bombs at the poles which is a waste of time and money since there simply isn’t enough CO2. Where will he buy these nuclear bombs and what if the rocket crashes and burns on the launchpad! Imagine how much nuclear waste will be spread far and wide! It happens! And the Earth’s atmosphere is 21% Oxygen. Mars ‘atmosphere’ has only a very tiny fraction of that amount of Oxygen, just 0.17%. And there’s no magnetic field on Mars to shield life from dangerous solar radiation. Any colonists to Mars will all be dead within just 2 years due to radiation poisoning. And they’ll arrive there already sick from radiation poisoning they received on the long trip from Earth. Musk and Bezos should stop wasting $Billions on a fantasy that will never work and spend that money here on Earth by building massive new solar and wind farms, planting Billions of new trees and cleaning up our Oceans in an effort to save this Beautiful Planet from destruction from the humans!

[@LePageChannel]

This guy reminds me of Steve Mould...

[@anonymousanonymous4510]

😀+👽=☠

[@nibiruresearch]

Ancient texts, like the Indian Mahabharata and the Mayan Popol Vuh, tell us that the Earth suffers from a cycle of seven natural disasters. Those disasters are causing massive floods, earthquakes, firestorms and a bombardment of meteors every few thousand years. By the same event, the planet Mars is even more frequently bombarded with meteors. So Mars is certainly not a good shelter for a next civlization, after we have destroyed the Earth. On the Earth, these disasters create a cycle of civilizations. One of these civilizations lives more than 10,000 years and reaches a higher level of knowledge and skills than we have now. Their civilization ended 20,000 years ago because of the next recurring disaster. To learn much more about the cycle of civilizations, recurring floods, and ancient high technology, read the eBook:"Planet 9 = Nibiru". Search for: invisible nibiru 9

[@dapc777]

~really?~man only uses the left side of his brain and he carries his subconsciousness with him with this as well~imagine that we finally made it there and the crew members do not see eye to eye and then it spirals out of control and depression sets in because you ain't coming back~love to be the fly on the wall when that happens~the Divine put us on terra ferma for a reason and purpose and that would be like what Buddha did~find true self and end your KARMA for good like it is in the Akashic records~but hey one day Elon will be old and have no memory of any of this at all~

[@paulskillman7595]

Life is all about water. How are you going to make water on Mars? Can we improve our own planet, like making more land for farming? What does Mars have that we need? NOTHING!!!

[@fluffgirl1000]

you can stay there for all we care elon

[@MrBugman2525]

build into the moutains

[@PacoOtis]

Until we can move through space twenty times faster than we presently do our going to Mars is absurd! The logistics system would be so frail and inadequate as to be nightmarish. AFTER we speed our transportation we might ponder such trips.

[@MrBugman2525]

lots of dust stroms

[@walperstyle]

Pride and Conquest? How about escaping socialism? That is what my family did.

[@chrisbraid2907]

If you are in America Look out, The Left want to bring it back upon you. they are conning the youth that the Government will pay them not to work and that the wealth of the wealthy right will somehow be acquired to pay for it all. the sad thing is the number of MUGS who BELIEVE THEM.

[@MrBugman2525]

take tubes like the space station and land them on mars

[@smittyjohnson9554]

Lava-tubes

[@chrisbraid2907]

What about Lava Tubes? if they are like ours you would need good power equipment to work the walls...

[@smittyjohnson9554]

@@chrisbraid2907 Martian lava tubes are huge as a result of the lower gravity. They provide shielding against radiation and they wouldn't require a lot of work to seal and pressurize. If you wanted to pressurize them. If you don't, you could just place or 3d print buildings in the lava tubes. Either way, they'll probably be valuable to early Martians.

[@InfinityBlue4321]

Just for a good laugh...

[@skymarshallmarz5573]

The Mars colony will be a disaster in the making. They can talk all positive all they want, it will be a terrible idea, and probably many lives lost.

[@smittyjohnson9554]

With that mentality we would all still be in Africa.

[@skymarshallmarz5573]

@@smittyjohnson9554 hardly, there was a man who actually crossed Africa on foot. You just go to Mars and see where it gets ya.

[@smittyjohnson9554]

@@skymarshallmarz5573 It would get us a new world, new cultures, new technology, new scientific breakthroughs, etc.

[@mackymode8185]

A great display of ignorance to think the technology is there to settle on Mars when there isn't. Elon Musk still hasn't gone to the moon, and he never will.

[@georgeb.3292]

Wanna bet?

[@chunglee6895]

Boring

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